O’Reilly declares victory in war on Christmas.
Celebrating Rep. Steve King’s (R-IA) House resolution on the “importance of Christmas and the Christian faith,” Fox News host Bill O’Reilly declared victory in the “war on Christmas” last night. He called his show’s reporting on the issue “one of the most important things we’ve done,” and bragged, “We won” and secular progressives “lost.” Watch it:
Guess it’s tough to lose a war that you made up.
(HT: Huffington Post and Gawker)
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Good, does this mean he’ll shut up now?
December 13th, 2007 at 7:12 pmwhat a smoke machine
December 13th, 2007 at 7:14 pmVery desperate for a win. O’Reilly found one…he won on a non existing issue.
December 13th, 2007 at 7:14 pmHorry !!
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!
December 13th, 2007 at 7:14 pmDoes this mean it’s over? It’s finally over? Or…much like the ‘war on terror’, this is our new forever war? Methinks it’ll be the later.
December 13th, 2007 at 7:17 pmSorry Bill, there are still 12 more days to go….
On the first day of Christmas,
December 13th, 2007 at 7:21 pmmy true love gave to me,
A “Daisy” with lots of BB’s……
The Armistice Treaty will be signed at the former site of Santa’s home on the North Pole. The home was destroyed last month in a rocket attack launched by combined forces of the Anti-Christmas Brigade and Hezbolla. After the attack, several thousand elfin refugees were taken in by Never Never land.
December 13th, 2007 at 7:22 pmOh, and Bill-O? I am a secular-progressive, and an atheist to boot. But I love christmas, all of it’s trappings, I even respectfully attend midnight mass with my family.
December 13th, 2007 at 7:22 pmGoogling ‘absurd thoughts’ I came upon this interesting bit of absurdity. Well done, good points and food for thought! The War on the War on Christmas starts NOW!
:)
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MERRY HOLIDAYS
we all have our special ones
drink responsibly
world economy depends
on massive celebrations
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for the holidays
we must get together
- before the world ends
ancient feelings
days will get longer again
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
outlaw most bloggers
register all writers
make them pay huge fees
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December 13th, 2007 at 7:23 pmhttp://haltterrorism.com/
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Fox and O’Reilly wants us to hear about the war on Christmas ,so we don’t have to hear or talk about the real war in Iraq and Afganstan…
December 13th, 2007 at 7:23 pmPhony victory on a phony war by a phony patriot on a phony network that puts out phony news.
What an idiot, war on Christmas my butt.
Buck Fush
December 13th, 2007 at 7:25 pmThis gas bag even has to bring the issue of war into Christmas. Without the W word Christmas is any fun for the nut jobs. They want to make somebody saying Seasons Greetings or Happy Holidays a federal offense because they didn’t say Merry Christmas. What a bunch of whackos.
December 13th, 2007 at 7:25 pmAsk Billo what Santa is going to do when the North Pole is ice free in a decade or so…. I was talking with the crew today, and we all agreed it is long past due for the elves to have a makeover. And Santa really needs to lose that beer gut.
December 13th, 2007 at 7:27 pmSomeday, someone is going to pop the big bully right in the grill and then we’ll see what a BIG MAN he is. My prediction is he’ll cry like a little girl.
December 13th, 2007 at 7:29 pmInflation up 3.2%, highest in 32 years
December 13th, 2007 at 7:30 pmbilly and i are both celebrating. today i won the war on the tp trolls. they’ve put down their keyboards and have surrendered to me. there may be a small number of “rebels” left out there, pay them no mind. i feel very proud of myself. i’m wearing my jet pilot’s flight suit.
December 13th, 2007 at 7:30 pmInflation up 3.2%, highest in 32 years
Comment by ccokz — December 13, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
did you think victory would come cheap?
December 13th, 2007 at 7:31 pmFox News host Bill O’Reilly declared victory in the “war on Christmas†last night.
Who is this guy’s demographic? I don’t want to be mean, but you have to be certifiably stupid to take him seriously. And yet, he still gets ratings.
December 13th, 2007 at 7:31 pmI think it’s cute that Bill thinks he won the “War on Christmas”. No, it’s more than cute. it’s adorable.
December 13th, 2007 at 7:32 pmMaybe O’Reilly will give people copies of his exciting novel, “Those Who Trespass,” as Christmas presents. Recipients will be in store for wonderful passages such as this:
“Say, baby, put that pipe down and get my pipe up,†Robo said to one of the girls. She was so intoxicated she had trouble standing, but Robo was her sugar daddy, and as he sat in a filthy, imitation, leather couch, there in the living room of a run-down three-bedroom apartment, she obediently performed oral sex on him.”
December 13th, 2007 at 7:32 pmI guess this means our brave elves will be coming home, right? Maybe in time for Christmas!
December 13th, 2007 at 7:33 pmDoesn’t that make twice, in the last week or so, that he’s “won” that “war”?
December 13th, 2007 at 7:35 pmAnd am I to infer from that grphic of his, that he believes I’m “sad” about it?
Anyone else sad about Billo defeating them?
December 13th, 2007 at 7:37 pm#1 digdug
December 13th, 2007 at 7:38 pmYou took the words right out of my mouth!
Jeez, I hope now that the fathead has declared victory, he closes the book and his mouth!!
This superpatriot managed to mysteriously avoid ending up in Vietnam, even though he was of draft age and was healthy enough to play for his college football team. Apparently O’Reilly recognizes that it is far easier to win a war against an enemy that does not fire back than it is to participate in an actual conflict where the enemy, who were about a foot shorter than he was, could inflict some serious damage on that corrupt, hypocritical 6′ 4″ body of his.
December 13th, 2007 at 7:38 pm“Say, baby, put that pipe down and get my pipe up,†Robo said to one of the girls. She was so intoxicated she had trouble standing, but Robo was her sugar daddy, and as he sat in a filthy, imitation, leather couch, there in the living room of a run-down three-bedroom apartment, she obediently performed oral sex on him.â€
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — December 13, 2007 @ 7:32 pm
billy did a lot of “research” for that book.
December 13th, 2007 at 7:38 pmDon’t stop now. Onward to the war on Groundhog Day!!
Punxsutawney Phil is my god.
December 13th, 2007 at 7:39 pmGuest on “The Factor”: “Sure, Bill, I’ll answer the question, but first I’d like to know if you know the difference between a loofah and a falafel.”
O’Reilly: “Cut her mike! Cut her mike!”
December 13th, 2007 at 7:41 pmHey. BillO. Happy Holidays. Take that, loser.
December 13th, 2007 at 7:44 pmO’Reilly celabrated by sexually harassing a female subordinate and using a red, white and green Christmas tree shaped dildo on his saggy O’Reilly bum.
-GSD
December 13th, 2007 at 7:46 pmcelebrated…..
-GSD
December 13th, 2007 at 7:46 pmSince O’Reilly declared big Victory, can we have a break next year and the years after about this issue of war on Chrstmas?
December 13th, 2007 at 7:47 pmCan he simply shut up about this issue now?..
Bartlebee: “Merry Festivus everyone.”
Exactly. The original.
December 13th, 2007 at 7:49 pm“Can he simply shut up about this issue now?”
Birds gotta fly, fish gotta swim, Billo gotta bloviate
December 13th, 2007 at 7:50 pmLoofah Bill outdoes himself this time. This guy has gone over the edge.
December 13th, 2007 at 7:51 pmAsk Billo what Santa is going to do when the North Pole is ice free in a decade or so….
Comment by Nevar — December 13, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
Those pictures of elves floating around on an iceberg must have been digitally altered! It’s all part of the Islamo-fascist-liberal-easterbunny conspiracy, dontcha know?
December 13th, 2007 at 7:54 pmEven though the war on Christmas has been won, we still need to remain ever vigilant. There’s some recent intel from the CIA (Christmas Intelligence Agency) that Kwanza, in conjunction with Saturnaia is planning a terrorist attack on or about December 25. Stay Tuned to further Factor Broadcasts for details.
December 13th, 2007 at 7:56 pmToo bad Dr. Seuss ain’t still around — BillO could be the inspiration for a new classic children’s story — “The Loofah Who Saved Christmas!”.
December 13th, 2007 at 7:59 pmOreilly won a war against his own strawman and next year he will reinflate it again because he won.
Ridiculous.
December 13th, 2007 at 8:02 pmOT - Urgent! I need to ask a favor of my TP friends and Dennis Kucinich supporters.
A writer at the Des Moines Register named David Yepsen wrote this about Dennis Kucinich’s exclusion from today’s Democratic debate:
“On the plus side, minor candidates Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel were not invited to participate because they are not running credible campaigns in Iowa.”
I called him to let him know my opinion. He said he was working up against a deadline and didn’t have time to answer questions. He then hung up.
If you’d like to call him RIGHT NOW and let him know your opinion that’d be really perfect. Lets let him know that if he’s going to slam and belittle our candidate he better be ready to face the critics. Unless he’s not a “credible” reporter.
1-515-284-8545
Remember, call NOW while he’s working to meet his deadline. He didn’t seem to care that Dennis’ deadline for the debate was TODAY, and he made sure Dennis wouldn’t be invited!
December 13th, 2007 at 8:03 pmComment by Luis M — December 13, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
forget the elves, where are the trolls? there must be trolls.
December 13th, 2007 at 8:04 pmHow do you win a war when there is only one side fighting?
December 13th, 2007 at 8:06 pmMore Democrats -195 - voted for the bill than Republicans, 177.
Bwah, you won, Bill, Lmao. You see Bill, I am a Christian.
You know what this proves Bill-o? That Christians in the USA are secular!
December 13th, 2007 at 8:06 pmNo, no, the battle isn’t over. The Insurgency is just lying in wait.
December 13th, 2007 at 8:07 pmhttp://www.tshirtinsurgency.com
Let’s all wish BO a ‘Happy Winter Solstice’ - after all that came long before the fir tree holiday. BO would certainly go nuts on that one; but then again he is ‘nuts’ so wouldn’t have very far to go.
December 13th, 2007 at 8:13 pmwow, masturbatory demagoguery, the narcissism is blinding.
December 13th, 2007 at 8:13 pmI find it funny that the right-wing has just accepted that statements like “Happy Holidays” are “secular”. To me, they are simply a way of including more religions, such as Judaism. Even Hindu people celebrate their own form of “Christmas”, which is called Bada Din. There are African and other cultural celebrations during this time of year as well.
They’ve somehow tricked people into thinking “Happy Holidays” is a way for those “evil secularists” of TAKING AWAY religion, but it’s actually a way of INCLUDING more cultures and religions. Isn’t that the true meaning of Christmas after all? Do you really think Jesus would be for turning people away and excluding them from his message? Jesus himself was Jewish.
December 13th, 2007 at 8:14 pmi took a second look at the sign behind billy. “secular sadness”? i’m not sad. anybody out there sad?
December 13th, 2007 at 8:17 pmIf the liberals declared war on Christmas, Christmas would be toast.
December 13th, 2007 at 8:17 pmbut it’s actually a way of INCLUDING more cultures and religions -BrianFl
Thats true. And why does Bill O’reilly hate Hannukah?
December 13th, 2007 at 8:21 pm#43
Just called and there was no answer after about a dozen rings. I called again about a minute later and received a voice mail from David Yepsen where I left a polite message stating that Kucinich is the only candidate calling for the immediate withdrawal of the troops from Iraq, the only candidate calling for the impeachment of vice president Cheney, the candidate who, unlike the top three candidates, has stated that he would not bomb Iran, which would mean that thousand of innocent Iranians would not be killed, and that Kucinich’s health care plan does not factor the insurance companies into the equation, thereby insuring [pun intended] that people will be placed over profit. I ended by saying it is not credible on his part to claim that Kucinich is not running a credible campaign.
This is how a candidate becomes marginalized when reporters like David Yepsen proclaim, with no evidence to back up their assertion, that someone like Kucinich does not belong on stage with the rest of the corporate candidates. This is the reason why I will be writing in Kucinich’s name in the primaries. The Democrats, with their unwillingness to end this war, are no better than the Republicans. As Kucinich has said, voting for the lesser of two evils still ends up being an evil.
December 13th, 2007 at 8:26 pmImus has stepped in it (again) already.
“You say you don’t like Huckabee? What are you, gay, or something?”
reported on countdown minutes ago
December 13th, 2007 at 8:29 pm#54 Thank you Erroll. Hopefully he turned his machine on because he was getting bombarded with calls.
December 13th, 2007 at 8:32 pmThey’ve somehow tricked people into thinking “Happy Holidays†is a way for those “evil secularists†of TAKING AWAY religion, but it’s actually a way of INCLUDING more cultures and religions. Isn’t that the true meaning of Christmas after all? Do you really think Jesus would be for turning people away and excluding them from his message? Jesus himself was Jewish.
Comment by BrianFL — December 13, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
The problem isn’t anyone trying to take away religion. It’s those who want to downplay the importance of Christianity. Christmas is about Christianity, not other religions. People are free to celebrate their chosen holidays, but not at the expense of the religion practiced by a majority of Americans. Anyone who doesn’t believe that Jesus is the Messiah isn’t a Christian whether they celebrate the day or not. Jesus was Jewish and He took His message first to the Jews as God’s chosen people. Unfortunately, most of them rejected Him. Jesus certainy doesn’t want anyone excluded from His message. If Christmas is combined into a generic holiday celebration, His message will be heard much less. ;)
December 13th, 2007 at 8:53 pmhappy holidays everyone!
(ooops, i guess the war’s back on. sorry.)
December 13th, 2007 at 8:54 pmIf Christmas is combined into a generic holiday celebration, His message will be heard much less. ;)
Comment by upright left — December 13, 2007 @ 8:53 pm
billy, a messenger of god? i never thought of it that way.
December 13th, 2007 at 8:57 pmIf Christmas is combined into a generic holiday celebration, His message will be heard much less. ;)
Comment by upright left — December 13, 2007 @ 8:53 pm
billy, a messenger of god? i never thought of it that way.
Comment by joe cantwell — December 13, 2007 @ 8:57 pm
That’s good, bud. Neither has anyone else. ;)
December 13th, 2007 at 9:00 pmstupid!…stupid then…stupid now…..this kind of stupid should be very painfull…so when they try it again,they’ll think twice. geeeezzzz……………………AAGGHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh …..thud.
December 13th, 2007 at 9:12 pmooppsss…….
December 13th, 2007 at 9:13 pm“….at the expense of….”
what expense??
there is no expense. the very claim is incoherent.
December 13th, 2007 at 9:30 pmWhat a blabbering old fool.
December 13th, 2007 at 9:40 pmehhhhhhhhhhhhhh. STFU, Bill.
You ass.
December 13th, 2007 at 9:42 pmThat’s good, bud. Neither has anyone else. ;)
Comment by upright left — December 13, 2007 @ 9:00 pm
except billy.
December 13th, 2007 at 9:43 pmGET A LIFE O’REILLY! THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE GET IN TO WHEN THEY DON’T HAVE A VERY HEALTHY SEXUAL LIFE… “WAR ON CHRISTIMANS”… WHILE CIA DESTROY EVIDENCE, THE USA IS TORTURING PRISIONERS, THIS IMBECIL, THIS OXIGEN BURNNER WAIST TV WAVES… HOW LOW CAN THE USA GET?
December 13th, 2007 at 9:44 pmDoes this mean that we start the insurgency now?
December 13th, 2007 at 9:49 pmgod O’Reilly makes me sick. i never watch him and just seeing his name turns my stomach. The really sad and scary part is, some people actually believe and agree with him!
December 13th, 2007 at 9:50 pmComment by upright left — December 13, 2007 @ 8:53 pm
Frankly the war on Christmas was fought and lost long ago, when rabid commercialization of the holiday overshadowed the birth of Christ. To claim saying happy holidays is terrible, while ignoring the after Halloween Christmas sales, surge in carols, and unrelenting buy, buy, buy advertising is disingenuous at best. You want to celebrate Christmas? Decorate a small tree, read the nativity, and get a few small gifts for loved ones.
December 13th, 2007 at 9:58 pmIf Christmas is combined into a generic holiday celebration, His message will be heard much less. ;)
Comment by upright left — December 13, 2007 @ 8:53 pm
Then what do Santa Claus, Christmas trees and wreaths have to do w/ all this nonsense?
December 13th, 2007 at 10:07 pmYeah, now on to the “War on Easter”, and the “War on the feast of the Assumption” and the “War on All Saints Day”….
December 13th, 2007 at 10:18 pmoh wait, they never mention those….gotta be a war against them though, right?
Naw, Secular progressives just think you are silly. And all wind and fury signifying nothing.
December 13th, 2007 at 10:22 pmThere never was a war on Christmas..it was all in his head.And the STUPID sheeple bought it. Like I said,that kind of stupid should be painfull.
December 13th, 2007 at 10:24 pmConservatives are always starting fights they can’t win. Orlly started a phony war just like Dubya and they both lost.
December 13th, 2007 at 10:28 pmThe Modern Bush Republicanâ„¢ is so desperate for something more evil than themselves that they actually invented a WAR involving Christmas to “battle” that they have now officially “won”.
O M F G
How pathetic…
http://www.FEARandSMEAR.com
December 13th, 2007 at 10:30 pmIt’s time to celebrate!
Break out the falafels.
We’re No 1! We’re No 1! We’re No 1!
BTW, does anyone even know what a “secular-progressive” is? I’m not sure I’ve ever even seen one.
December 13th, 2007 at 10:33 pmBasically, what you are saying is what you are doing. By passing a law that states “This nation is a Christian nation” - which we never have stated before in a legal government document, by the way, quite the opposite - all other religions are downplayed. Nice try though…
Bill of Rights:
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
December 13th, 2007 at 10:34 pmI dont surrender. Not until I bag that Rudolph.
December 13th, 2007 at 10:46 pmCan we bring the elves home now?
December 13th, 2007 at 10:52 pmI’m with Moondancer… Yukon Cornelius is going DOWN…
December 13th, 2007 at 10:56 pmit was all a diversion folks………………….
December 13th, 2007 at 11:08 pmYou go, moondancer. It’s on!!
December 13th, 2007 at 11:09 pmHurrah for Nox Fuze! They finally were able to make up some nonsense to win at!
December 13th, 2007 at 11:17 pmBTW, does anyone even know what a “secular-progressive†is? I’m not sure I’ve ever even seen one.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — December 13, 2007 @ 10:33 pm
I’n not entirely sure, but I sure know a
December 13th, 2007 at 11:19 pmevissergorp - raluces when I see one!
Bill O’Reilly: courageously fending off imaginary enemies.
December 13th, 2007 at 11:31 pmHey, Bill–
December 13th, 2007 at 11:46 pmWHERE’S MY MF’ING PRESENT?
Frankly the war on Christmas was fought and lost long ago, when rabid commercialization of the holiday overshadowed the birth of Christ. To claim saying happy holidays is terrible, while ignoring the after Halloween Christmas sales, surge in carols, and unrelenting buy, buy, buy advertising is disingenuous at best. You want to celebrate Christmas? Decorate a small tree, read the nativity, and get a few small gifts for loved ones.
Comment by Krazny — December 13, 2007 @ 9:58 pm
For my friends and family, nothing has ever overshadowed the birth of Christ. We decorate trees, read the nativity story, buy gifts for loved ones as well as for families whom we do not know, but who are in need. We go to church on Sundays as usual celebrating Advent, church on Christmas Day. The commercialism is there due to the retailers. If it overshadows Christ for anyone, it’s because they allow it.
December 14th, 2007 at 12:15 amIf Christmas is combined into a generic holiday celebration, His message will be heard much less. ;)
Comment by upright left — December 13, 2007 @ 8:53 pm
Then what do Santa Claus, Christmas trees and wreaths have to do w/ all this nonsense?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — December 13, 2007 @ 10:07 pm
As you know, evergreens represent life received through Christ and Santa Claus is fun for kids and loosely based upon St Nicholas.
December 14th, 2007 at 12:30 amComment by upright left — December 14, 2007 @ 12:15 am
December 14th, 2007 at 12:31 amNo offense but i don’t give a rat’s ass what you or anyone else does on this or any other holiday. People are free to do whatever the hell they want. I am sort of bummed that Bill things this war is over because it is a totally hilarious ridiculous sideshow of nonissue stupidity which I look forward to each and every year.
No offense but i don’t give a rat’s ass what you or anyone else does on this or any other holiday.
Comment by dbadass — December 14, 2007 @ 12:31 am
Fortunately, I wasn’t addressing you. ;)
December 14th, 2007 at 12:39 amIf this pretend battle is won, can we get the lunatics to start freaking out about all that fertility shit mucking up Easter. That will amuse me also
December 14th, 2007 at 12:45 am63. It’s those who want to downplay the importance of Christianity. Christmas is about Christianity, not other religions.
Basically, what you are saying is what you are doing. By passing a law that states “This nation is a Christian nation†- which we never have stated before in a legal government document, by the way, quite the opposite - all other religions are downplayed. Nice try though…
Bill of Rights:
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Comment by evil_framers_of_the_constitution — December 13, 2007 @ 10:34 pm
The resoution doesn’t say the U.S. is a Christian nation, it recognizes the role played by Christians in it’s founding. The only times I’ve seen the Christian nation comment is in regard to the fact that a majority of Americans are Christians, not that Christianity is or should be established as our official religion. ;)
December 14th, 2007 at 12:56 amAs you know, evergreens represent life received through Christ and Santa Claus is fun for kids and loosely based upon St Nicholas.
Comment by upright left — December 14, 2007 @ 12:30 am
Dumbass. Evergreens are pagan tradition, long before your Christ myth was propogated. Jesus was born in the spring; his birth is so important to you clowns that you’ve moved it several times to enable more capitalism. Commercialism is the war on Christmas, won years ago by the capitalists who would sell Jesus in an instant for better stock numbers. O’Reilly’s War On Christmas is actually a War On America and the Founders. rightwingers hate American freedom and tolerance, becasue wingnuts are not real Americans, they’re parasites. That’s you, ul, a parasite on good Americans of all faiths or no faith.
December 14th, 2007 at 12:57 am.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Where did the defenders of our most sacred Documents go to?
What have these members of Congress done to America?
T R E A S O N
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December 14th, 2007 at 12:59 amBush would arrest Jesus, send Him to Gitmo, and torture Him to death.
Comment by delafield — December 14, 2007 @ 12:57 am
that first picture from Abu ghraib, the man on the bucket with the hood and the electric leads, reminded me of Christ on the cross. Bushites are the Romans, the Nazis, the Stalinists, the Communists; the same sick, weak, cowardly sociopaths that keep springing up whenever the world is starting to equalize itself.
December 14th, 2007 at 1:00 amThere never was a war on Christmas..it was all in his head.And the STUPID sheeple bought it. Like I said,that kind of stupid should be painfull.
Comment by mudsharks buddy — December 13, 2007 @ 10:24 pm
If, instead of calling it a war on Christmas, O’Reilly had said the S-P’s have started their usual attempts to remove any vestige of Christmas from the public square, would you have had a problem with that as well? ;)
December 14th, 2007 at 1:14 amWhere is all this removing of all vestiges of Christmas happening cause it sure is happening anywhere in anytown that anyone I know lives in. Sure communities do dumb things periodically and the make the paper and them some source jumps on it and warps it to support this pretend crusade but 9 out of 10 in time these communities eventually work through their issue and come up with the best solution for all.
December 14th, 2007 at 1:21 amComment by Lefty Patriot — December 14, 2007 @ 12:57 am
Ya see, pat, Christians don’t feel bound to give others the exclusive right to determine the meaning of symbols. Just because pagans used evergreens doesn’t mean they have the right to determine their use as symbols until the Second Coming. Being free people, we choose to use whatever symbols we want and we define the meaning for ourselves. I’m really sorry that you can’t get past such archaic thinking, bud. ;)
December 14th, 2007 at 1:22 amThe resoution doesn’t say the U.S. is a Christian nation, it recognizes the role played by Christians in it’s founding. The only times I’ve seen the Christian nation comment is in regard to the fact that a majority of Americans are Christians, not that Christianity is or should be established as our official religion. ;)
Comment by upright left — December 14, 2007 @ 12:56 am
You missed this part of the Bill:
Whereas the United States, being founded as a constitutional republic in the traditions of western civilization, finds much in its history that points observers back to its roots in Christianity;
Go back and read Amendment I again.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
December 14th, 2007 at 1:23 amWhere is all this removing of all vestiges of Christmas happening cause it sure is happening anywhere in anytown that anyone I know lives in. Sure communities do dumb things periodically and the make the paper and them some source jumps on it and warps it to support this pretend crusade but 9 out of 10 in time these communities eventually work through their issue and come up with the best solution for all.
Comment by dbadass — December 14, 2007 @ 1:21 am
Yeah, I’m sure they are all totally unrelated attempts. ;)
December 14th, 2007 at 1:25 amAm I misunderstanding or are you suggesting a coordinated effort?
December 14th, 2007 at 1:30 amYou missed this part of the Bill:
Whereas the United States, being founded as a constitutional republic in the traditions of western civilization, finds much in its history that points observers back to its roots in Christianity;
Go back and read Amendment I again.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
Comment by evil_framers_of_the_constitution — December 14, 2007 @ 1:23 am
I didn’t miss it at all, bud. That would be why I mentioned the Christianity of the founders. It doesn’t say that we are a Christian nation, only that Christianity was important to the founding. Remember all those folks seeking religious freedom? ;)
December 14th, 2007 at 1:38 amRemember all those folks seeking religious freedom? ;)
In total numbers there really weren’t many of those. Sure that part was important but the USA was mostly settled by drifters, profiteers, and assorted other misfits. In the long haul most of the colonies were based on economics not religion
December 14th, 2007 at 1:41 amAm I misunderstanding or are you suggesting a coordinated effort?
Comment by dbadass — December 14, 2007 @ 1:30 am
I’m suggesting some of them are coordinated.
December 14th, 2007 at 1:42 amIt’s the War (on Xmas) dummies! coordinated effort!
Is there also a war on Easter? On All saints Day? what about the War on the feast of the Assumption? if it’s a war on Christianity, why is Little Italy permitted to have a parade on the feast? Shouldn’t they allow cows to roam the streets free on that day as well? And I feel obligated to say I don’t have a problem with any of these days…including Xmas.
The “war on Xmas” (Christianity) is not real. It’s a stupid argument.
Christianity the way it’s described lately sounds a lot like Fascism to me.
December 14th, 2007 at 1:43 amDo you have first hand knowledge of any real incident of significance?
December 14th, 2007 at 1:44 amRemember all those folks seeking religious freedom? ;)
Yeah, freedom from the opression of religion. Church of England - Protestant Reformation…Hello? You have it backwards bud.
December 14th, 2007 at 1:46 amRemember all those folks seeking religious freedom? ;)
Yeah, freedom from the opression of religion. Church of England - Protestant Reformation…Hello? You have it backwards bud.
Comment by evil_framers_of_the_constitution — December
Freedom from the oppression of the Church of England. Freedom to practice their religion as they chose. Sorry, bud, it wasn’t freedom from religion the majority were seeking. Nice try, though. ;)
December 14th, 2007 at 1:52 amAll were seeking something better than the shit conditions of their lives. Some were seeking something better than the shit conditions of their lives through religion but definately not the majority
December 14th, 2007 at 1:56 amAll were seeking something better than the shit conditions of their lives. Some were seeking something better than the shit conditions of their lives through religion but definately not the majority
Comment by dbadass — December 14, 2007 @ 1:56 am
I assume you are suggesting that a majority came to America for reasons other than religion and not that a majority of them were not Christians.
December 14th, 2007 at 2:03 amI have contacted my Representatives, State and Federal, and let them know I don’t think it’s appropriate to endorse a religion. Especially when some of Mr. King’s later comments are taken into consideration.
These boobs are going to take this as a green light for attacking anyone who doesn’t celebrate Christmas (up to their standards) enough. It just legitimizes their hate of anyone who doesn’t hate like them.
Handing BillO this kind of ammunition is going to wear thin in a hurry. And anyone who gives a rip will be spending a fortune on gaudy decorations to prove their Faith. Can I get a “Heil Jesus”?
I’m certain I’ll be attacked for this. So be it.
“Merry Christmas” is in danger of becoming the “Heil Hitler” of the 21st Century.
And our idiot “Representatives” just gave legal legitimacy, and preference, to “The Christian Faith”. Can I get a “Heil Jesus” from the crowd? “Yes, that crowd of unruly non-Believers against the wall”.
If you don’t get it, I apologize. I mean no offense.
December 14th, 2007 at 2:03 amYou assume correctly, I assume
December 14th, 2007 at 2:04 amNice try, though. ;)
Comment by upright left — December 14, 2007 @ 1:52 am
Don’t you ever get tired of being obnoxious? Yer an absolute endless font of spite, ‘bud’… ;-D!!!
December 14th, 2007 at 2:07 amI’m really sorry that you can’t get past such archaic thinking, bud. ;)
Comment by upright left — December 14, 2007 @ 1:22 am
Good Lord, yer a foul little moron.
December 14th, 2007 at 2:08 amDon’t you ever get tired of being obnoxious? Yer an absolute endless font of spite, ‘bud’… ;-D!!!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — December 14, 2007 @ 2:07 am
Stupid! It’s been much too long, bud! But really, now. You? Calling someone obnoxious and spiteful? That’s like Michael Moore telling someone they need to lose weight. Have you no shame, bud? ;)
December 14th, 2007 at 2:26 amGood Lord, yer a foul little moron.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — December 14, 2007 @ 2:08 am
Call on someone you know, bud. ;)
December 14th, 2007 at 2:27 amI ask every year, but never seem to get it. I was wondering, Billo, if I could get an autographed picture of you to hang an my holiday tree. It’s not too late, but it will be.
Yours Graciously, Musk
December 14th, 2007 at 5:40 amLike most fundy xians, Billo doesn’t realize that so-called Xmas is actually Yule and NOT a xian sacred day or holiday. It was co-opted by early evangelists to trick the populations of northern Europe to accept xianity.
So by winning the war on xmas, Billo has done a big favor to pagans.
Merry Yule.
December 14th, 2007 at 6:05 am#94 - “The commercialism is there due to the retailers. If it overshadows Christ for anyone, it’s because they allow it.” Comment by upright left — December 14, 2007 @ 12:15 am
I’ve got to disagree with you, dude.
Christmas is commercialized because the shoppers respond to the radical-commercialism. If shoppers didn’t support the commercialism, then the stores wouldn’t be going out of their way to start the Christmas Buying frenzy in October.
How would you feel if they started pushing Valentines day in December? Or St. Patricks’s day in January? Or the Fourth of July in May?
You might want to take a course on economics/business to see the relationship between customers and retailers actions.
December 14th, 2007 at 7:35 amAlas. We have lost this battle, General O’Reilly. Your 300-million-to-none troop superiority has overwhelmed us for now. You think the war is over? The insurgency is now beginning! Every stocking booby-trapped. Every present a potential IED. With my blessed hand I shall personally give Rudolph a rhinectomy! We will see Mrs. Claus in a fur-lined Burqa yet–you mark my words!
– Ibn-eezah ali Skrooja
December 14th, 2007 at 8:07 amunknown unknowns I guess: Ghaddafi visits France and coincidentally it goes Boom. I guess the enemy is currently west, east north and south of Baghdad.
Reknown terrorists are the fathers of the Algiers bombing
December 14th, 2007 at 8:07 amThanks for giving, Bert. That is after all the true meaning of Christmas.
December 14th, 2007 at 8:19 amLike most fundy xians, Billo doesn’t realize that so-called Xmas is actually Yule and NOT a xian sacred day or holiday. It was co-opted by early evangelists to trick the populations of northern Europe to accept xianity.
So by winning the war on xmas, Billo has done a big favor to pagans.
Merry Yule.
Comment by bernarda — December 14, 2007 @ 6:05 am
Libs cling tightly to this little gem. If it makes ya feel better to think Christmas is a pagan celebration, more power to ya. You have no reason to hate it then, since libs are ok with paganism. Christians will continue with our Christian celebration unassailed. ;)
December 14th, 2007 at 8:21 amAnd a merry Christmas to you too, U.L.! God Bless Us Every One!
December 14th, 2007 at 8:23 am#94 - “The commercialism is there due to the retailers. If it overshadows Christ for anyone, it’s because they allow it.†Comment by upright left — December 14, 2007 @ 12:15 am
I’ve got to disagree with you, dude.
Christmas is commercialized because the shoppers respond to the radical-commercialism. If shoppers didn’t support the commercialism, then the stores wouldn’t be going out of their way to start the Christmas Buying frenzy in October.
How would you feel if they started pushing Valentines day in December? Or St. Patricks’s day in January? Or the Fourth of July in May?
You might want to take a course on economics/business to see the relationship between customers and retailers actions.
Comment by Democrat Soldier — December 14, 2007 @ 7:35 am
You see what goes on in public. You see retailer’s reports. You see people buying gifts and decorations. You don’t see what goes on in homes and churches. You don’t see the folks giving to those in need. That’s the Christmas celebration. People giving to others to celebrate the greatest gift. I assure you, that is alive and well. ;)
December 14th, 2007 at 8:28 amOh Bert, don’t be silly. There are many among us who have taken Jesus Christ as our personal savior, many who Jewish and Muslims, even Atheists and Agnostics. Wiccans, too. All are welcome. You should open your heart to these people. Show those who do not know Christ’s love why HE is the true path to salvation. Obviously the superiority of your position should shine like a beacon into the darkness that surrounds the hearts of those who haven’t yet seen. Taunting and ugliness is not the way of the Lord. You turn to such darkness at your own peril. It’s Christmas. Share the love!
December 14th, 2007 at 8:41 amI know you bunch all too well and how much you hate GW, The Troops, Fox News, Bill O’Riley, oh yeah and your own country… but now, gad, this is a low even for you … “you hate Christmas†and have an issue with someone winning “The War on Christmasâ€
Comment by BERT CONVY — December 14, 2007 @ 8:09 am
Please do not mistake our issue with Bill O’Reilly’s “war on Christmas” where none exists with “hating Christmas”. As a “born-again” Christian, at Christmas I commemorate the birth of my Saviour, Jesus Christ. I focus on my relationship with Him and how I can live my life according to the guidelines He set. At that means living as a progressive and embracing what you consider to be liberal principles — making me a “flaming moonbat” in your eyes.
As far as your other accusations: You think I “hate” GW Bush. Wrong. I don’t “hate” anyone. Hatred only drags me down and it’s most un-Christian. I do, however, think he is a poor president and has done great damage to this country and has trashed every bit of good will we have received from the rest of the world. I don’t hate him, but I want him OUT of that position and I want him held accountable for his actions.
I don’t hate the troops. In fact, I see my support for the troops (along with other progressives) to far exceed the support given by our leaders and other conservatives. I believe our troops shouldn’t be squandered on pointless wars, I believe they should be given the very best equipment and armor to do their jobs, I believe they should be given relief between deployments, I believe they should be paid decently, and I believe they should be cared for when they get injured, and their families cared for when they make the ultimate sacrifice.
I don’t hate Fox News. But I do believe it to be blatantly biased toward the right, and I treat it as the neocon propaganda that it is.
I don’t even hate Bill O’Reilly. But I see him as a pompous buffoon whoring for ratings among a somewhat narrow-minded audience by playing to their fears. I deal with Bill-O by just not watching him.
I don’t hate my own country. That accusation is just absurd. This country is filled with good, decent people who — like me — long for the days when we were the “good guys” and represented a moral standard. I’d like to return to that.
You claim to “know me well.” It appears you don’t know me at all.
December 14th, 2007 at 9:02 amThe ironic thing about this bogus shit by O’Liely is that it cheapens the whole meaning of Christmas just in order for blowhards like himself to make a few more bucks. One thing he does know is there’s a sucker born every minute.
December 14th, 2007 at 9:14 amAnd Bert, if you’re going to be here, this is an adult site. Juvenile behavior like yours’ is not appreciated.
Heh…. what make this so hilarious is that NO ONE ON THE SECULAR SIDE CARES!!! It is BillO and his lobotomized viewers who are “fighting”. No secularist weeped over the Christmas declaration. Quite the opposite; we think that it is silly. The passage of that piece of crap was MEANINGLESS. It served only to salve the wounds of people like Steve King and BillO who think that their religion (assuming that they actually practice it) is under attack. You know, all those churches that the government closed and tore down, all of those bibles that were burned in public squares, the jailing of the entire Focus on the Family and 700 Club membership, the public execution of Pat Robertson, etc.
Have these people truly lost what little they had of their minds?
December 14th, 2007 at 9:35 amDear Santa,
All I want for x-mas is for O’Reilly, King and all the other bible-thumping, hypocritical republican scum* to suffer a slow and painful death.
Thanks!
p.s. don’t bother leaving their carcasses under my tree.
December 14th, 2007 at 9:36 amThat’s the Christmas celebration. People giving to others to celebrate the greatest gift. I assure you, that is alive and well. ;)
Comment by upright left — December 14, 2007 @ 8:28 am
Couldn’t agree more. It’s about family. It’s about *your* faith. It’s about helping those in need. It’s not about public displays, retailer profits or House resolutions. So shut the fu(k up about this imaginary “war against christmas” crap and just celebrate it!
p.s. not so sure about the “alive and well” part. Arseholes like O’Reilly and King are going out of their way to politicize it.
December 14th, 2007 at 9:50 amYeah… May be now TONY SNOW is helping him to figure out when the “victory” will be achieved.
It’s ridiculous. Last night there was Tony Snow on Billo’s show, continuing the WH’s disinformation strategy.
As if all Americans are brainless!
December 14th, 2007 at 10:14 amAs if all Americans are brainless!
Comment by drtichy — December 14, 2007 @ 10:14 am
Only about 24% of them.
December 14th, 2007 at 10:30 amThe war has been won, let the forces of light now beat the heathens black and blue if they should mention their pagan orgies
http://abclocal.go.com/ wabc/ story?section=news/ local&id=5827324
December 14th, 2007 at 10:37 am“We won”? Does that mean their ridiculous “war” is over?
Good, I don’t want to hear any more about it next year.
December 14th, 2007 at 10:41 amThe war has been won, let the forces of light now beat the heathens black and blue if they should mention their pagan orgies
http://abclocal.go.com/ wabc/ story?section=news/ local&id=5827324
Comment by Lanceradvanced — December 14, 2007 @ 10:37 am
o’reilly would be proud of them good ol’ christian boys!
December 14th, 2007 at 11:02 amgawd-faring fellers, they are!
Hypocrite! billo is all about the crass commercialization of Christmas. The liver-spotted cretin is only in it for the money.
December 14th, 2007 at 1:32 pmHeh…. what make this so hilarious is that NO ONE ON THE SECULAR SIDE CARES!!! It is BillO and his lobotomized viewers who are “fightingâ€. No secularist weeped over the Christmas declaration. Quite the opposite; we think that it is silly. The passage of that piece of crap was MEANINGLESS.
Comment by jpopphan — December 14, 2007 @ 9:35 am
Have you asked the folks who started this year’s token effort to remove Christmas displays from town squares? They might not be too happy. Several of your fellow progs here are a little miffed. Lividlib seems to be in quite a snit about it. Apparently it matters to some secularists. ;)
December 14th, 2007 at 3:02 pmCouldn’t agree more. It’s about family. It’s about *your* faith. It’s about helping those in need. It’s not about public displays, retailer profits or House resolutions. So shut the fu(k up about this imaginary “war against christmas†crap and just celebrate it!
p.s. not so sure about the “alive and well†part. Arseholes like O’Reilly and King are going out of their way to politicize it.
Comment by LividLib — December 14, 2007 @ 9:50 am
Liv, your tolerance needs a little work there, bud. Wishing a slow painful death on those who disagree with you? Tolerance is supposed to be one of the main virtues claimed by libs. You’re not helping your people. You give the impression that lib tolerance is reserved for those with whom they agree and those whom they can use for political gain. It kind of limits your ability to call conservatives hate mongers, too. Don’t want to be guilty of hypocrisy. ;)
December 14th, 2007 at 3:12 pmHave you asked the folks who started this year’s token effort to remove Christmas displays from town squares? They might not be too happy. Several of your fellow progs here are a little miffed. Lividlib seems to be in quite a snit about it. Apparently it matters to some secularists. ;)
Comment by upright left — December 14, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
There is a big difference between taxpayer money being used for an endorsement of religion and private retailers making their own decisions as to how to observe the season.
If a nativity display has been erected in a public place paid for with private funds and the proper permits have been obtained, fine. Where I live, any religious group may erect a display in a public park, but it must be done without public funds, and they must apply for a permit. As a result, we get both Christmas and Hanukkah displays — and if any group wanted to put up a display for Eid, Diwali, or Kwanzaa, they could do so. But the city itself will not put up any religious displays.
Non-religious displays (such as lights, trees, snowmen, etc.) are no problem.
Private retailers are another matter. We really don’t care if they use “Christmas” or “Holiday” in their ads, and we really don’t care what greetings their clerks use.
December 14th, 2007 at 3:56 pmLiv, your tolerance needs a little work there, bud. Wishing a slow painful death on those who disagree with you? Tolerance is supposed to be one of the main virtues claimed by libs. You’re not helping your people. You give the impression that lib tolerance is reserved for those with whom they agree and those whom they can use for political gain. It kind of limits your ability to call conservatives hate mongers, too. Don’t want to be guilty of hypocrisy. ;)
Comment by upright left — December 14, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
1. no, i was wishing a slow and painful death to the likes of o’reilly and king for which i have zero tolerance.
2. i never claimed to be tolerant of hypocritical neocons. can’t speak for other “libs”.
3. i don’t give a crap what your impression is of me.
4. nope! doesn’t limit me one iota! neocons are hate mongers and the world would be a better place without them.
Happy Holidays!
December 14th, 2007 at 3:57 pm1. no, i was wishing a slow and painful death to the likes of o’reilly and king for which i have zero tolerance.
2. i never claimed to be tolerant of hypocritical neocons. can’t speak for other “libsâ€.
3. i don’t give a crap what your impression is of me.
4. nope! doesn’t limit me one iota! neocons are hate mongers and the world would be a better place without them.
Happy Holidays!
Comment by LividLib — December 14, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
You are to be commended, bud. A lib who owns up to intolerance and hypocrisy. A rare thing, indeed. ;)
December 14th, 2007 at 7:11 pmMeanwhile, GOP Representative Tom Tancredo (Mr. “We should bomb Mecca because it would deter future terrorists”) and King both were in solidarity in recording mere “present” votes for resolutions recognizing the Muslim holiday of Ramadan and the Hindi Diwali. Tancredo’s reasoning for such a vote? “A no vote could be construed as not commending religion in general, which Tom is for,†his spokesman stated.
But yeah, xenophobia is a LIBERAL mainstay.
lol.
Wake the hell up already.
December 16th, 2007 at 5:17 amWell thank GOD we lost. Now maybe I can get back to CELEBRATING CHRISTMAS. You’re a real hero, Bill.
December 16th, 2007 at 3:14 pmYou are to be commended, bud. A lib who owns up to intolerance and hypocrisy. A rare thing, indeed. ;)
Comment by upright left — December 14, 2007 @ 7:11 pm
Meanwhile, GOP Representative Tom Tancredo (Mr. “We should bomb Mecca because it would deter future terroristsâ€) and King both were in solidarity in recording mere “present†votes for resolutions recognizing the Muslim holiday of Ramadan and the Hindi Diwali. Tancredo’s reasoning for such a vote? “A no vote could be construed as not commending religion in general, which Tom is for,†his spokesman stated.
But yeah, xenophobia is a LIBERAL mainstay.
lol.
Wake the hell up already.
Comment by vordabois — December 16, 2007 @ 5:17 am
C’mon, bud, liv admitted to being intolerant and the hypocrisy is evident as well. Tancredo’s vote can hardly be called xenophobic. I’m unaware of anyone accusing libs of xenophobia. Quite the contrary, libs are more likely to be accused of placing the U.S. and all it stands for behind almost any other country or people. ;)
December 17th, 2007 at 12:41 amYeah, as a liberal I pretty much have to say I’m a xenophobe, intolerant, and a hypocrite! Heck, why not throw a little blood libel in there too! Blood of christian children, why not! Lemme see if I can completely distance myself from the rest of reality, while I’m at it! ;)
December 19th, 2007 at 10:50 amThanks Bill. The secular left is so cruel. So cold. I thank God for you and for your saving us from, what amounts to, a new facism. However, we must keep fighting and fight harder than we ever have.
December 25th, 2007 at 12:01 pm