14 states reject funding for abstinence-only programs.
14 states reject funding for abstinence-only programs.
As evidence mounts that abstinence-only sex ed programs are ineffective, the number of states refusing federal money for these programs has “jumped sharply in the past year.” The Washington Post reports:
At least 14 states have either notified the federal government that they will no longer be requesting the funds or are not expected to apply, forgoing more than $15 million of the $50 million available, officials said. [...]
Until this year, only four states had passed up the funding.
“We’re concerned about this,” said Stan Koutstaal of the Department of Health and Human Services, which runs the program. “My greatest concern about states dropping out is that these are valuable services and programs. It’s the youths in these states who are missing out.“
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You do realize this works out for the cons both ways… take the money, you have to do it their way. Refuse the money, they don’t have to pay out one red cent.
December 15th, 2007 at 4:47 pmIt’s the youths in these states who are missing out.“
Sorry Stan, the reason abstinence-only sex ed programs are ineffective is because of natural forces some call raging hormones. And I don’t like all the phony Faith-Based organizations that the idiot in the WH funds to push this crap on us.
Tell the truth and shame the devil, you lying Christian jerks.
Amen.
December 15th, 2007 at 4:50 pmI’m beginning to realize that the people are incredibly smarter and better informed than most members of our doofus Congress. We have the dems bending over to Emperor Bush on all of their promises yet it’s the people who are uniting to take a stand against the criminal element in Congress – this includes Reps and Dems, sorry to say.
Check out Wexler’s site for impeachment proceedings – in 24 hours, 36,000 people have signed the petitition for Bush/Cheney impeachment.
The impeachment train is rolling, folks! Jump on board and be counted.
December 15th, 2007 at 4:51 pmIN THIS ORDER: INVESTIGATE, IMPEACH, INDICT, INCARCERATE!!
December 15th, 2007 at 4:51 pmOn a side note, maybe B & C need to abstain from viewing those CIA torture tapes… The party line is that the CIA torture tapes were destroyed to protect the identity of the CIA torturers, blah, blah, blah…, but actually B & C wore out the CIA torture tapes from so many viewings…
December 15th, 2007 at 4:58 pmJust exactly WHAT are those deprived of an Abstinence Only Program missing???
The Message: To avoid pregnancy and disease, avoid sex.
I can’t believe America’s youth has heard this by now.
The pernicious Message: If you don’t avoid sex, there is nothing else available. No mention of Birth Control, condoms, or sex that doesn’t involve intercourse.
December 15th, 2007 at 5:02 pm“It’s the youths in these states who are missing out.“
Missing out on what? Something that doesn’t work?
If you throw money at a problem, doesn’t it just go away?
When will they ever learn?
December 15th, 2007 at 5:03 pmor sex that doesn’t involve intercourse.
Comment by Badger — December 15, 2007 @ 5:02 pm
Shucks, Larry Craig could tell them horny kids all about that…
December 15th, 2007 at 5:03 pmOn Huffpo’s front page today is a wicked GWB telling the judge not to investigate the CIA tapes. Hmmm….is that his sick, sorry a$$ he’s trying to protect here? He’s indicting himself with every move on this one.
We all KNOW that these tapes were destroyed to protect both B & C a$$es when it comes time for a war crimes tribunal. I have a very sneaking feeling that there were dupes made of these tapes though which would not have been difficult for some smart patriot within to do in order to preserve the evidence and follow the constitution. I just know there are either other tapes which can be used to put B & C in prison for life or worse and they will be forthcoming.
Whatever happened to Sibel Edmonds? No doubt she has very damaging evidence to convey which will put B & C totally out of commission forever.
December 15th, 2007 at 5:04 pmTRoS: I’ve heard that Larry Craig and his bosom-bathroom buddie, Mark Foley, will be the two making the circuit to stump for the new abstinance bill so it will net them more internet prey.
December 15th, 2007 at 5:05 pmThis money is clearly ONLY to appease the reichwing christofascists who claim to have put Bush into office. They’re only partially correct: It was Kenneth Stillwell, State Supervisor of Elections in Ohio and his Diebold buddies who, literally, put bush into office.
Abstinance only never worked before and doesn’t work now as evidenced by the growing number of teens and 12 year olds engaging in sexual activity.
This is good money thrown after bad.
December 15th, 2007 at 5:07 pmWell, patooty, it will put Craig and Foley “in touch” directly w/ th youth of America. need i say more?
December 15th, 2007 at 5:08 pmDoes anyone else find this “harmonic convergence” of Sibel Edmonds testimony, the Iran lies/NIE Report, Immunity for Telecons, the CIA destroyed tape evidence, and now Bush actually stepping forward in an overt “obstruction of justice” in trying to sit on the judge? I find the convergence of these equally horrendous criminal misdeeds quite compelling. They say that when something reaches “critical mass”, then it’s moving like a tidal wave. Looks like the tidal wave of impeachment of these criminals is not just everyone’s wish but is not in the hearts and on the lips of a growing number of americans.
This is the convergence of criminality all pointing right up the chain of command to Bush and Cheney that we’ve been waiting for……that “true patriots” have been waiting for, in clarification.
December 15th, 2007 at 5:11 pmThey are so screwed.
December 15th, 2007 at 5:12 pm“now”…..and not “not in the hearts, etc.”. Wexler’s site today at 2:30 reported 36,000 signatures to press for impeachment and it’s growing.
December 15th, 2007 at 5:12 pmamen, clumberfeet! Screwed will be an understatement when the people get through with these two bums.
December 15th, 2007 at 5:13 pmTros: I am falling off my chair. Your wit is awesome! I really enjoy your posts. Keep it up! After all, if we can’t have some comic relief from this ongoing daily bad news, what’s left?
December 15th, 2007 at 5:14 pmthat “true patriots†have been waiting for, in clarification.
Comment by patooty — December 15, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
Sure hope yer right, patootie. Wasn’t that a famous phrase from Watergate… “connect the dots”??? This sure is turning into a portrait of an admin that has gone hideously out of bounds in just 7 years.
December 15th, 2007 at 5:14 pmtime to move in the direction of the kitchen but will hold that disgusting image of Craig and Foley being in close “touch”….ewwwwwww
December 15th, 2007 at 5:14 pmTurns out, the parents of teens finding themselves party to a preganancy or std did not appreciate hearing, as an excuse, “but mom, i learned at school that condoms don’t work”. But, of course, “no one could have known, blah blah blah….” those would be the results.
December 15th, 2007 at 5:15 pmTRos: Yes, and the dots are literally connecting themselves. This is to the point that if one cannot see where the “beginning of the end” for this democracy and Bush’s imperial rule began (911) then they are living in a perpetual state of self-denial.
December 15th, 2007 at 5:15 pmAfter all, if we can’t have some comic relief from this ongoing daily bad news, what’s left?
Comment by patooty — December 15, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
Thank you, thank you verrry much… jes doin’ what I can w/ what I got… in my case, a wicked, nasty sense of humor. I find if you can get people to laugh at something, or someone, like Li’l Footie ‘n his Jingle Ballsâ„¢, fer instance, it really takes the wind out of their sails.
December 15th, 2007 at 5:18 pm“… then they are living in a perpetual state of self-denial.”
Comment by patooty — December 15, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
That would be approximately 28% of the population, or so I’m told.
December 15th, 2007 at 5:19 pmCan you help me with the 14th state to refuse funding? I can only find 13 mentioned in news stories. Did I just space that paragraph?
Virginia, Ohio, Maryland, Maine, California, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Wisconsin, Arizona, Montana, Connecticut, Colorado… and?
December 15th, 2007 at 5:19 pmWithout 911, where would we be today??? We all need to ask ourselves this critical question and do a “gut check”. We know the ugly truth within us – it just takes longer for some people to break the stranglehold which denial has upon them.
Without 911, no patriot act. Without 911, no invasion of Iraq. Without 911, no illegal spying on citizens. Without 911, no torturing of prisoners. Without 911, no imperial power. Without 911, this democracy would still be intact.
I’d say that in Nixon’s impeachment, the mantra was “connect the dots”. In Bush’s impeachment, the mantra will be “another Pearl Harbor”. It’s all there – the evidence, that is and 7 senior scientists are now calling for a reopening of the 911 commission due to conflicting evidence, stories which are now known to be lies, etc.
It’s all going to collide and land itself on Bush’s doorstep…..the inside job of 911 and the end of his imperial “wet dream”.
December 15th, 2007 at 5:19 pmYou’ve thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain’t worth the blood
That runs in your veins
Bob Dylan Masters of War
December 15th, 2007 at 5:20 pmAnd Bush’s infamous presidential library will be filled with a million copies of “My Pet Goat”. He’s becoming a goat before our very eyes.
December 15th, 2007 at 5:21 pmLet us hope and pray that reich-wingers abstain from reproduction indefinitely.
Comment by Dr. Matt — December 15, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
I’m not so sure it’s abstinence in their case as much as it’s ineptitude and incompetence.
December 15th, 2007 at 5:23 pmIf my kids get to “miss out” on genital warts and unwanted pregnancies, I guess that’s just the price my family will have to pay.
December 15th, 2007 at 5:24 pmThe new GOP motto:
“If we can’t get laid, then nobody’s gittin’ any! ‘Cept Craig, ‘n Foley, ‘n Vitter, ‘n that guy from McCain’s campaign who offered a cop some money if he’d let him give him a hummer in that restroom…”
December 15th, 2007 at 5:26 pmhttp://jesuswasnotarepublican.blogspot.com/2005/04/teen-pregnancy-red-states-vs-blue.html
“… Gotta be a reason why 19 out of the top 20 states with the highest incidences of teenage pregnancies are fine, upstanding, conservative, God-fearing red states. 19 out of 20. Is it something in the air, the water? Are teen girls in red states sluttier than teen girls in blue states? Or, are the sex-ed programs in blue states more effective than the abstinence-only programs in red states? Hmmm. Could it be? Oh no. If true, red-staters would have to face an unpleasant fact. Of course, facing unpleasant facts is a problem for folks who live in the bizarro world of right-wing thinking. And here’s one more troubling truth a wingnut wacko would have a tough time digesting: Texas, that bastion of red-blooded American Talibanism, ranks #2 in the nation in teen pregnancies while Massachusetts, that bastion of liberalism, ranks #49. Go figure.”
December 15th, 2007 at 5:45 pmComment by db.net — December 15, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
You missed Washington.
December 15th, 2007 at 5:48 pmWell, when they’re pregnant and/or infected, you’ll never hear about it, because they won’t be able to trust you. At least this keeps you safe in your little white-bread world: Out of sight, out of mind.
December 15th, 2007 at 5:52 pmI’m glad that NY came to its senses. It’s too bad that NY State, more than most states, sends so much of our tax dollars to Washington for crappy, useless little $1 million-per state programs like this one.
December 15th, 2007 at 6:16 pmEasy Marcus – If you’d read my other post (or any of my other posts), you’d see I was making mock of the abstinence programs.
Real sex ed teaches that condoms prevent std’s and pregnancy – the abstinence programs teach that condoms don’t work.
I understand, trolls are aggravating, but I see way too many examples around here lately of otherwise good and thoughtful people going off half-cocked and hammering people in ridiculous ways.
Your hasty reading and mis-comprehension are not good enough reasons to attack or impugn. You end up sounding like a troll, when of course you are not.
December 15th, 2007 at 6:19 pmComment by Jane E. Schneider — December 15, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
You are right, Jane, but there are two factors here – W loves fetuses and Trojan is not a major campaign contributor for the Neocons.
December 15th, 2007 at 6:25 pmThere is no global warming!
The earth is flat!
The sun, moon and stars move around the earth!
Intelligent design!
Abstinence only!
/sarcasm off
December 15th, 2007 at 6:41 pmYou end up sounding like a troll, when of course you are not.
Comment by tombaker — December 15, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
Folks are just angry, tombaker. If they can’t find a troll to swift kick in the cojones, they’ll find the next best target. I’ve done it and it’s been done to me.
December 15th, 2007 at 6:42 pmoh i’m all kinds of angry myself (long 7 years, ain’t it?) – maybe just a little more careful re: “friendly fire” incidents.
no offense taken here from marcus – just a desire to nip anyone’s misunderstanding in the bud.
December 15th, 2007 at 6:47 pmMaybe more states would be on board if they EXPANDED abstinence programs:
- Abstinence from Representatives sending explicit messages to underage Congressional pages.
December 15th, 2007 at 7:02 pm- Abstinence from religiocons buying sex and drugs from male prostitutes.
- Abstinence from restroom-stall solicitations of sex.
- Abstinence from frothing, unbalanced celebricons popping pills and sexually harassing employees.
- Abstinence from priests molestating of children.
- Abstinence from male escort puppet-reporters signing into the White House but mysteriously never signing out.
My bad, my apology.
December 15th, 2007 at 7:03 pmlefftenant’s been in the Nyquil again. Nazis can’t handle their alcohol.
December 15th, 2007 at 7:08 pmIf you abstain from the abstinence policy, then you are: pro-creation, pro-individual rights and/or just horny.
And if you’re smart and want to continue practicing non-abstinence, always use protection.
December 15th, 2007 at 7:14 pmoh i’m all kinds of angry myself (long 7 years, ain’t it?)
Comment by tombaker — December 15, 2007 @ 6:47 pm
I had no idea seven years could last this long. I have to say, one of the reasons I keep coming back to TP is that chance to play Whack-A-Troll ‘n lay one of those vile critters out cold, and, yes, I’ve accidentally nailed one of our side more ‘n once.
December 15th, 2007 at 7:27 pmWord, TRoS.
Thanks Marcus, sorry for sounding touchy about it.
December 15th, 2007 at 7:35 pmCheck out Wexler’s site for impeachment proceedings – in 24 hours, 36,000 people have signed the petitition for Bush/Cheney impeachment.
Cool, if we can sustain that rate in 4,166 days half the US population will agree!
December 15th, 2007 at 7:51 pmThe trolls are notably skittish these days; most of them opting for the “poo-and-shoo” (thanks, whoever coined that one).
The mock intellectuals are abstaining from comment, because they really have run themselves out of rope. I guess that makes them the more noble subspecies.
There are a couple left who are just so tone-deaf and color-blind they don’t really acknowledge anything that comes at them, whether it’s an eloquent exposition or a kick in the balls. I always feel like my best zingers and fact items just fly right past’em (gotta be embarrassing at parties to be the last to get the joke).
I like it when there is some detail disagreement amongst the prog side, and I know it helps me focus and fine-tune moy own positions on things. However, in part due to their presence and in part due to everyone’s reasonable desire to dispute and refute them, we don’t get a lot of the good discussion done.
December 15th, 2007 at 7:55 pm“critical mass” — Have we finally reached the tipping point — will the Bush Crime Family finally come down?
December 15th, 2007 at 8:06 pmThe only thing they’re missing out on is ‘just say no’.
December 15th, 2007 at 8:12 pmThey can text message that, they are going to have sex anyhoo.
Check out Wexler’s site for impeachment proceedings – in 24 hours, 36,000 people have signed the petitition for Bush/Cheney impeachment.
just looked all over Wexler’s site, no clue how to sign the petition.
December 15th, 2007 at 8:14 pmWhat am I missing?
has anyone ever been to a “purity ball”?
there’s a target rich environment.
abstinence only? it’s a an aphrodisiac.
December 15th, 2007 at 8:24 pm“Just Say No” hasn’t worked for the last one million years! Now, all of a sudden it’s supposed to work?!
What does work: sex education and availability of contraception.
December 15th, 2007 at 8:32 pmWexler’s petition site
http://wexlerwantshearings.com
December 15th, 2007 at 8:49 pmoh i’m all kinds of angry myself (long 7 years, ain’t it?) – maybe just a little more careful re: “friendly fire†incidents.
no offense taken here from marcus – just a desire to nip anyone’s misunderstanding in the bud.
Comment by tombaker — December 15, 2007 @ 6:47 pm
However, I think we can come close to a 100% concensus that Tundra is a fool…
December 15th, 2007 at 9:34 pmhe chimed in there rather conveniently, didn’t he?
December 15th, 2007 at 9:40 pmIs that the same Tundra who used to work with Squeegy?
December 15th, 2007 at 9:42 pmtundra? a virgin right?
December 15th, 2007 at 9:43 pmThe Repukes selectively insist that taxpayers shouldn’t be required to pay for programs that they don’t believe in, such as stem cell research. At present, it seems that the only taxpayer-funded family planning service allowed in this country has been designed by the Christian Reich Wing.
Why not go all the way with this idea and allow people to pay their taxes cafeteria-style? This can be supplemented by allowing the market work its magic, paying for the rest with charitable donations.
After all, it wouldn’t be fair to expect taxpayers opposed to abstinence-only programs to cover the costs. Only those private organizations supporting abstinence-only programs could pay for them, along with additional funding for the increased number of unwanted children born because their mothers were given incomplete information.
Only those taxpayers who like the idea of funding comprehensive medical insurance for elected officials while the rest of the country goes without could pay for those costs. This would change only when and if the Legislative and Executive branches decided to create a level playing field where everyone in this country receives the same level of health care insurance and care.
Also under such a scenario, only those taxpayers supporting the United States’ actions in Afghanistan and Iraq would pay those bills. If there exists a remaining need for military equipment, then Reich Wing churches could take up special offerings to purchase items like a bunker buster bomb, or a daisy cutter, or maybe a white phosphorus weapon, like that used in Fallujah. They could track their progress toward purchasing such a weapon by placing a large mock-up of a mercury thermometer in the narthex, with the red area rising each week as additional donations accumulate until the ultimate goal is reached. The name or logo of that church could then be painted prominently on that weapon.
The U. S. military and/or U. S. contractors in Afghanistan or Iraq would be expected to take photos of the carnage produced by donated weapons so the church could proudly display color prints demonstrating the results of their efforts (e.g., photos of destroyed homes, dismembered children, corpses strewn about, etc.).
If taxpayers who oppose supporting any efforts that might prevent a life from beginning (including all forms of birth control except for abstinence) benefit from keeping their consciences clear, then similarly, those taxpayers who agonize over their hard-earned tax money being used to kill or maim innocent people, including children, the elderly and infirm, would similarly benefit by adopting the approach suggested herein.
Have you ever wondered if a bomb, bullet, or other armament that maimed or killed young children in Iraq/Afghanistan was purchased with your specific tax dollars? Is someone who purchases the ammunition that someone else uses to snuff out an innocent life an accomplice, at least on some level? Does that apply to you?
December 15th, 2007 at 9:46 pmcurmudgeon: I love the concept of “cafeteria style” taxes. That would certainly cut unpopular programs which the people have no belief or faith in. It’s time that we have representation in Congress since we are paying their salaries. Otherwise, like the Boston Tea Party, it’s taxation without representation.
The way I see it currently – the people have absolutely NO ONE in Congress or this White House who remembers that they work for US. Time to give them all the boot.
December 15th, 2007 at 9:52 pmIf you’d like to see evidence of what your tax dollars have bought in Iraq, you may wish to view the following video (warning: contains graphic images) —
http://www.chris-floyd.com/fallujah/
December 15th, 2007 at 10:04 pmGood, but not good enough.
Science! More science! Less Republicans!
December 15th, 2007 at 10:40 pmThere is something a little off kilter about the “purity balls.” Unlike the usual father-daughter dances, where the girl is about 7 years old, these teenagers pledging “purity” while dancing in evening gowns with their fathers just sets wrong with me.
As for the abstinence legislation, it seems to me that this is a win-win for the arch-conservatives — either you abide by their rules or you don’t get their funding. So the most vulnerable, the most affected, the most in need of counseling and medical care, won’t have access to necessary aid. The archconservatives, who deny biology and the dominant urges of teenagers, will permit funding only if clinics don’t provide necessary information on STDs, pregnancy, and their methods of prevention.
December 15th, 2007 at 10:58 pmThey will put us back about 50 years to the days when desperate teens took desperate measures.
Marie,
I think an appropriate word for purity balls is — incestuous.
Ugh.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:34 pmAre purity balls anything like cheese balls?
December 15th, 2007 at 11:44 pmThey’d be more fun if they were, gummitch. :D
December 15th, 2007 at 11:55 pmremember “purity balls” are a conservative concept. bill o’reilly, rush limbaugh, david vitter… well you get the idea.
December 16th, 2007 at 12:01 amjoe cantwell, that’s just icky. Icky.
December 16th, 2007 at 12:16 amjoe cantwell, that’s just icky. Icky.
Comment by gummitch — December 16, 2007 @ 12:16 am
life’s stark realities. let us remember that coprophagy and onanism are staples of the conservative/republican “life style”.
notice too that we are in a “troll free” environment. they have trouble confronting these issues.
mike huckabee/ted nugent 2008!
(it could get that crazy)
thank you.
December 16th, 2007 at 12:40 amOh, those “purity balls” make my skin crawl. Then again, if daddy is not already molesting you what could be more of an anti-aphrodesiac than slow dancing with your father?
December 16th, 2007 at 1:37 amOh, those “purity balls†make my skin crawl. Then again, if daddy is not already molesting you what could be more of an anti-aphrodesiac than slow dancing with your father?
Comment by Sabyen91 — December 16, 2007 @ 1:37 am
conservatives. always looking for a new, freaky thrill.
December 16th, 2007 at 1:47 amI soak my nads in Purell when I want purity balls.
-GSD
Breaking News: Mike Huckabee vows to replace Air Force One with Jeebus One…
December 16th, 2007 at 1:48 amThe least people can do is educate and communicate with their kids about unwanted sexual activity. I think education is the best tool, as well as communication with the parents.
Don’t think schools should be involved in family affairs.
December 16th, 2007 at 1:51 amHey poster #60, this is a comments board not a life-story board!
December 16th, 2007 at 1:52 amI actually thought at first these “purity balls” were something like mothballs; I actually had to look them up.
As for Koustaal’s inane statement, I tend to think these “youths” are better off “missing” both these abstinence-only programs and the purity balls.
What a bizarre concept these balls are, btw.
December 16th, 2007 at 1:52 amHey gitrdone, this is not your personal insult board. STFU.
December 16th, 2007 at 1:57 amThe least people can do is educate and communicate with their kids about unwanted sexual activity. I think education is the best tool, as well as communication with the parents.
Don’t think schools should be involved in family affairs.
Comment by gitrdone — December 16, 2007 @ 1:51 am
taxpayer supported purity balls? interesting.
December 16th, 2007 at 2:15 amtombaker: If your kids get any of these things, it is due in part to your failure to educate them. Maybe abstinence will work for them, but if they are sexually mature, they deserve accurate information so that they are capable of deciding for themselves. If you have provided the moral education, they will decide in a moral way. If you aren’t able to give them accurate medical information about reproduction, contraception, communicable diseases, etc., send them to their doctor, for crying out loud. Kids often make stupid mistakes; educate them and they are less likely to make life-threatening mistakes. If they die from a stupid mistake, they won’t be able to learn from the mistake, wise up, and benefit from everything else you can teach them. You love them, right? Of course you do. Do they deserve anything less than the truth? Of course not.
December 16th, 2007 at 2:24 amWell duh Mark, scare them to death about all the STD’s out there, that will keep their pants on. (And I’m not being sarcastic)
December 16th, 2007 at 2:27 amSome kids don’t have parents who will properly educate them about the biology involved in sex. Kids who are ignorant make mistakes. Kids who make mistakes often ruin their youth and options for the future, and end up with babies on welfare and in single parent families, etc. All of that becomes a burden on society, meaning us taxpayers. The schools should provide accurate medical, biological education (and contraceptives) to kids so that they have the information they need to make informed, safe decisions (and can avoid stupid mistakes that can wreck their lives and the lives of other kids). The schools shouldn’t be involved in trying to transmit “morality” because that is largely a family matter. But it is absolutely a proper thing for schools to educate students in the facts of reproduction. Parents who properly take care of this lose nothing by having the schools address the subject in biology or health class, because their kids will already know what they will learn in class. Many parents are squeamish and “chicken out” when it comes to talking about sex (I feel sorry for their kids). But the bottom line is kids who are physically, sexually mature (and like it or not ALL of them will be sooner or later, probably sooner) DESERVE accurate biological/medical information about how their bodies work. You wouldn’t deprive your kids of the info they need to take are of their teeth would you? Why would you neglect to educate them in something as potentially life-altering as reproduction?
December 16th, 2007 at 2:32 amThat is ABSOLUTELY part of what responsible parents will talk to their kids about. That’s not the whole story, though. Kids also need (deserve) to know that it is completely normal to get raging horny and to feel pulled irresistibly to want to do the wild thing, so they know in advance how to recognize the signs of impending wood AND how to avoid pregnancy and exposure to those nasty STDs if they (for some stupid reason) find themselves with their pants down around their ankles and the pelvis thrusting involuntarily.
December 16th, 2007 at 2:38 am80 – Mark, I was mocking abstinence-only, and the comment that kids whose schools declined the funding “would be missing out”.
IMO, there’s nothing to miss out on in the abstinence ony programs, in fact they are harmul because they teach that condoms don’t work for preventing pregnancy and std’s.
I’m not worried about my kids at all. They will get the proper education in those matters, and be able to make wise decisions.
Try to remember that most of us here are not anti-science, retrograde luddites. And try to appreciate irony and sarcasm when it’s presented – it can be a positive, and humorous thing.
December 16th, 2007 at 2:51 amthat’s twice i’ve had to explain myself
if you’d read upthread, you’d have seen the same transaction take place, and the apology issued by the poster who jumped to a mistaken conclusion.
sheesh, people!
December 16th, 2007 at 2:53 am“We’re concerned about this,†said Stan Koutstaal of the Department of Health and Human Services, which runs the program. “My greatest concern about states dropping out is that these are valuable services and programs. It’s the youths in these states who are missing out.“
there – see? the part about the missing out? that’s the part i’m calling into question. i don’t think it’s “missing out” if no one comes around to tell my kids that condoms don’t work. that’s what the abstinence programs tell kids….
….there’s no whiteboard here, so i can’t draw a picture, but do you get it now? am i forgiven, for the sin of being misunderstood by you, mark in irvine??
December 16th, 2007 at 2:57 ami sure am glad to see everyone’s on hair-trigger alert to deliver parsimonious and condescending lectures…
really makes our side look like the stereotypes claim, and lends credibility to the ridiculous arguments that are offered up daily by the dull-witted and ill-informed righties that linger here.
December 16th, 2007 at 3:03 ammea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. am i forgiven for having a hair trigger? i usually see nit wits who don’t have a clue – i must be hanging around the wrong message boards too much; i should ahve around boards where the posters “got it goin’ on”. please accept my apologies, folks. it’s late (no matter WHERE you are).
December 16th, 2007 at 3:18 amI’ve heard that Larry Craig and his bosom-bathroom buddie, Mark Foley, will be the two making the circuit to stump for the new abstinance bill so it will net them more internet prey.
Comment by patooty — December 15, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Now that Wolfowitz is making a comeback, I think he and Shaha should be in charge of the Dept. of Abstinence. If not them, then Rudy and Judy.
December 16th, 2007 at 4:08 amThere’s nothing wrong with abstinence-only programs — other than the fact that they don’t work. And need I mention the paradoxical complicity of Christian fundamentalists heading the effort to titillate our children with their biblical pornography, under the guise of teaching sexual abstinence with a god that demanded A&E’s nudity — to populate the Garden of Eden by fornicating incestuously with their children. Of course, only A&E, Christian fundamentalists, and depraved degenerates would choose to live in god’s garden like naked animals that have no shame rather than like civilized human beings. But even they, in their sublime ignorance could not help but wonder why they were forbidden knowledge of modesty other than to assume the obvious — that god preferred them nude.
Unfortunately, the only knowledge that god possessed from the tree of good and evil was modesty. And for the last 6000 years since the very beginning when their god created dinosaurs to roam around with man, A&E’s poor stupid descendants — with their penchants for S&M and obsessions for homosexuals continue to allow a libidinous god to punish them for gaining modesty. — Is there any wonder why so many Christian fundamentalists are depraved perverts who have never evolved sexually in a normal manner?
December 16th, 2007 at 6:28 amIntersting discussion from the social liberals posting to the website. You can teach homosexuality is normal as long as the government can force the APA to conduct legitimate, empirical research regarding the etiology of abuse specific to the psychpathology of the neurotic individual (LGBT). However, at the moment you attempt to normalize “neurotic” behavior and its associated paraphilas, as neurotic legal and medical professionals are doing by knowingly placing children in borderline caretaker environments, government has the right to address the dysfunctional family environments associated with gender identity disorder. I think children should whether their parents are functionally or nonfuctionally neurotic and how their dysfunctional behavior affects them as children.
December 16th, 2007 at 7:13 am“interesting”, “psychopathology”, “paraphilias”
December 16th, 2007 at 7:15 amDoes stupidity have an echo?? Seems like all these members of the nut-o-sphere can do is parrott back what they’re told to say…
Perfect examples of our youth being dumbed-down to the IQ level of gravel…
December 16th, 2007 at 8:13 amhttp://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_press&Number=295954751#Post295954751
Israel Officials in US to Discuss Iran
JERUSALEM (AP) – Israeli intelligence officials are in the U.S. trying to convince the Bush administration that Iran is still trying to develop nuclear weapons – contrary to the findings of a recent U.S. intelligence report, security officials said.
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, however, scolded a Cabinet minister on Sunday for his harsh, public criticism of the U.S. report.
The U.S. assessment, released earlier this month, concludes Iran halted its weapons development program in 2003 and that the program remained frozen at least through the middle of this year. The
findings reversed a key conclusion from a 2005 intelligence report that Iran was developing a bomb.Israeli officials fear the report will weaken international resolve to contain Iran’s nuclear ambitions.
It was not clear what type of material the Israeli delegation – for the most part military intelligence officers – presented to U.S. officials during its unscheduled visit. The Israeli delegation hoped to receive additional information from the U.S. report, which for the most part was classified, the Israeli officials said.
They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter with the media.
The Israeli delegation set off for the U.S. last week and will wind up its visit this week, the officials said.
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Wow, these Americans finally did something without the approval of their masters.
Now like schoolboys they have to face their masters and take the consequences. No doubt those responsible for the report will find suddenly their jobs are no longer secure.
I realize its unprecedented that the Americans would have a brain but surely they should have realized that all the thinking is done by Israel.
The only thing Israel needs is fodder to fill the body bags coming back from Iraq.
December 16th, 2007 at 9:42 amTurkey launches airforce attacks with fighter jets inside Northern Iraq.
More of Chimpy’s clusterfu*kedness in action.
-GSD
December 16th, 2007 at 10:07 amhttp://www.wexlerwantshearings.com/ Check this out.A petition to Impeach Cheney.please sign up……
December 16th, 2007 at 10:27 am#98 I think #96 was suggesting that it is Bush unneeded adventure which has resulted in the instability which has opened the door to the event that they are citing but then again I think you recognize that also.
December 16th, 2007 at 11:12 amJust say no to abstinence-only programs.
December 16th, 2007 at 11:39 amRJ – thanks for the “Rudolf Hoess” assessment.
However, I don’t think anyone was persuaded by your use of clinical-style prose.
Wearing camouflage does not make one a hunter.
December 16th, 2007 at 2:29 pm“It’s the youths in these states who are missing out.“
Missing out on not having sex? lol.
December 16th, 2007 at 3:01 pmAbstinence works every time its applied. Children of good parents know this lesson well.
December 17th, 2007 at 10:53 amThe liberals I know generally don’t know much about abstinence though since they rarely turn down sex from anyone.
Family Research Council
http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=WU07L11&f=PG03I03
FRC’s Pat Fagan Delivers on Teen Birth Analysis
December 20th, 2007 at 10:36 am