Bolton On Global Warming Conference: ‘If Anyone’s Isolated Here, It’s Al Gore’
Bolton On Global Warming Conference: ‘If Anyone’s Isolated Here, It’s Al Gore’
Recently, former Vice President Al Gore — to “rapturous” applause — slammed the Bush administration for being “principally responsible for obstructing progress in Bali” by opposing mandatory greenhouse gas caps.
Yesterday on Fox News, former U.N. ambassador John Bolton criticized Gore, claiming that he is “wrong” on the climate change issue. Bolton claimed that the U.S. was pursuing the right path by refusing to support mandatory limits on climate change, since Canada, Japan, Russia, and China also oppose them:
Well, not unusual for Vice President Gore to be wrong, either, as he is in this case. Of the G8 industralized democracies, four — the United States, Japan, Canada, and Russia — share our view. .. If you look at the developing countries, Brazil, India, and China all oppose these targets as well. So, the notion that this is the fault of the U.S. is wrong.
If anybody’s isolated here, I think it’s the Europeans and Al Gore. … This is a U.N. conference after all, and that’s principally what people like to do — blame us for all the problems.
Watch it:
Bolton is part of the fringe, discredited global warming denial community that claims there is still a debate on the causes of global warming. Just last month, he told the New York Times:
I don’t think the world has a correct temperature. It goes up and it goes down.
In 2005, he “recommended scrapping” over 400 passages from a 38-page U.S. draft prepared for a U.N. climate change summit, even requesting that “respect for nature” be cut from the document.
Bolton’s environmental cluelessness is underscored by his belief that India and China, two of the heaviest greenhouse gas emitters, are a model for the U.S. to follow at Bali. Furthermore, as “the only major industrialized nation to reject the Kyoto treaty, [the U.S.] is widely seen as the outcast of Bali,” noted the LA Times.
Bolton seems to think his ideological penchant for U.S. unilateralism can be used for war in the Middle East as well as climate change.
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Will someone please toss a bullet at Boltons pedophile face? Kidding of course....
December 15th, 2007 at 11:11 amFor those of you who missed it, here is Barack Obama drop kicking Hill’reh in the last debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhPxSm9Es0w
December 15th, 2007 at 11:12 amI don’t think the world has a correct temperature. It goes up and it goes down.
Actually, I agree with Bolton on this one statement. The planet is a dynamic system and it's gone through many cycles of climate change.
The difference is that all the records we have of these changes demonstrate much more gradual changes than we're seeing now, except in the cases of global catstrophe.
Another critical difference is that we as the dominant life form on the planet are affecting this dynamic system in ways that will likely prove to our disadvantage. But that's down the road, so let's not disturb our economy, which is working so well, right?
December 15th, 2007 at 11:12 amthe Againsts
Bonkers Bolton
95 US senators
1 Texas Village
The Fors
Al Gore
December 15th, 2007 at 11:12 am190 countries, every country in the planet
600 American towns and cities
25 States
Jason: off topic much?
December 15th, 2007 at 11:13 amFOX is Psychotic now.
How would Fox caliber crazy Logic Sound on MSNBC for example ?
"I think Al Quaeda is a Peaceful Organization by and large.
If anyone is thought of as a world terrorist , its GW Bush. "
How can such a bullsh1t propaganda organization like Fox exist in America ??
December 15th, 2007 at 11:19 amOh, the stupidity!
December 15th, 2007 at 11:21 amHey Jason, what's your point? Do you have some stake in the Democratic nominee, or are you just a dick? I think you're just a dick.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:25 am"If anybody’s isolated here, I think it’s the Europeans and Al Gore."
Today's secret word is: a river in Egypt.
DE NILE!
December 15th, 2007 at 11:25 amAs though John Bolton has one shred of credibility regarding the science! Phew! What a whackjob this guy is~! Lying is his mantra which is the mantra of the entire Bush Cabal. May they see prison walls someday - My New Year's Wish.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:27 amLook, FOX noise is preaching to the choir, no one else believes their crap. The brainless drones who watch FOX will never believe the truth, they have to have someone lead them around. God forbid they think for themselves. Bolton is a complete idiot, so what's new.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:27 ambolten, you are a bootlicking psycho!!!!! get your fu*king head examined.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:29 amMongo: Denial, indeed. Even if the science was debatable which it is definitely not at this point, why not explore alternative energy sources to enhance our sense of national security and reduce our reliance on foreign countries for our survival? Why TF not?
Besides, as stewards of the environment, cleaning up our act will allow our consciences to be somewhat cleaner when we turn over this planet to our children and grandchildren.
Bolton and Bush are two misanthropes who care nothing for the human species or the planet we've been given the onus of protecting. These guys are hardened criminals.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:29 amIt can be surmised from Bolton's statement here that John Bolton is committing treason against this country by making it "less safe" and "less secure" in it's reliance on the middle east for our sustenance. Off with him to the gallows.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:30 amFrankM: Sorry to shatter your myth about science but when consensus in science is reached, it becomes the basis for action.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:31 amScience 101 would be a good place to begin your education, Francine.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:31 amLook, FOX noise is preaching to the choir, no one else believes their crap. The brainless drones who watch FOX will never believe the truth, they have to have someone lead them around. God forbid they think for themselves. Bolton is a complete idiot, so what’s new.
Comment by EDLEE — December 15, 2007 @ 11:27 am
This is very true. The audience for Fox is just looking for validation for their confused belief system and certainly not looking for anything that would make them think. We see their confusion right here with trolls like Frank M. who seem to seriously believe that CNN is "progressive". Any network that dares to challenges their preconceptions is, to them, dangerously "left wing". The only information that can pass through their filters is extreme right wing propaganda, and any news agency not spouting such propaganda is "socialist" or "progressive" or "far left".
December 15th, 2007 at 11:32 amCaptain Kangaroo is trying to live in the same bubble as Bushitco - the "neverneverland" they've created. Since the neocons are dropping lie bat guano these days, I'd say that when bolton exits government he can be taken to the nearest nursing home without resistance.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:32 am#14: Science is always debatable. If there’s a consensus, it’s no longer science.
Comment by Frank M — December 15, 2007 @ 11:30 am
I'm impressed. I thought you'd already written the most ignorant comments ever, but now you've set an entirely new bar.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:33 amRemember, Fox could declare the sky is pink and the moon is really made of cheese and there would be people who would believe it.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:33 amScience is always debatable. If there’s a consensus, it’s no longer science.
Comment by Frank M — December 15, 2007 @ 11:30 am
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frankie, jas said that last week. you should really learn to credit your sources.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:34 amOf the 14 characteristics common to fascist regimes number 3 is:
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause: The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
December 15th, 2007 at 11:37 amThis is why their numbers are dropping by the day. What is it now? 28% or less of the population are registered repturds?
December 15th, 2007 at 11:37 amFox doesn't debate topics. That would require research, facts, logic and coherence. All they do is refute what is plainly evident to the common man. They refute that waterboarding is torture, that massive deficits hurt the economy, that attacking a country unprovoked and later finding out your attack was based on fake intel is a bad thing and finally they refute every scientist that isn't paid by Big Oil. What morons like Frank don't understand is that Fox doesn't do this for the good of man, they do it because they are nothing more then an extension of the GWB administration. So listening to Fox is no different then listening to a govt that has been wrong about every single action they've taken since taking office. It's not reporting, it's propaganda.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:37 amSt. Aug: You nailed it and these dip$hit trolls! Thanks for the link. Soon they'll be eating each other...hahaha!
December 15th, 2007 at 11:38 amAmazing link posted at Huffington
Right-wing Authoritarianism (RWA) is a psychological personality variable or "ideological attitude" found to a high degree in people who are authoritarian followers (Authoritarian leaders, on the other hand, tend to score highly in social dominance orientation.)(Source: Altemeyer, 1998)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_Authoritarianism
Read it! It explains the 30%
December 15th, 2007 at 11:39 amDaveC - The WH just this week outed themselves and Fox with their comments about the network so it's no surprise that Fox news is Bush's propaganda megaphone which is the reason no one with a modicum of intelligence turns it on. Get a "Fox Blocker" today and really make a statement against this gang of criminal-enablers called Fox News.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:39 amnellre: Thanks for the link. I'm sure that there's also a psychiatric profile attached to this and is easily diagnosed. I can actually tell a Reptard from the way they dress these days. Amazing!
December 15th, 2007 at 11:41 amLet's lool at number 6:
Controlled Mass Media: Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
And this was just 2 days ago:
At the White House Christmas party for the press last night, “conservative talk radio hosts dominated the place: President Bush “smiled, patted him on the back and said, ‘Keep it up. We need you guys.’â€
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/14/bush-needs-hannity-and-limbaugh/
December 15th, 2007 at 11:41 amJason: off topic much?
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — December 15, 2007 @ 11:13 am
please don't get angry. you see jas has never made love to a women. sometimes this condition drives him to distraction.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:42 amYeah, right. Typical left wing plot. Write something that looks like science and use it to attack and ridicule your enemies.
Comment by Frank M — December 15, 2007 @ 11:41 am
yeah but frankie you don't have to help them, do you?
December 15th, 2007 at 11:44 am#28: Yeah, right. Typical left wing plot. Write something that looks like science and use it to attack and ridicule your enemies.
Comment by Frank M — December 15, 2007 @ 11:41 am
Typical rightard response. Denigrate anything that sounds like science. I doubt you even read it but you know it's faulty logic because it uses words you don't understand.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:45 amFrank M if you are for real you need to really pay attention to that Wiki.
Most notably
4: Blindness To One’s Own Failings And To The Failings Of Authority Figures Whom They Respect— RWAs are more likely to:
Believe they have no personal failings.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:45 amAvoid learning about their personal failings.
Be highly self-righteous.
Use religion to erase guilt over their acts and to maintain their self-righteousness.
Sorry to shatter your myth about science but when consensus in science is reached, it becomes the basis for action.
Comment by patooty
Furthermore, it is called a law.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:46 am"Bolton claimed that the U.S. was pursuing the right path by refusing to support mandatory limits on climate change, since Canada, Japan, Russia, and China also oppose them"
So, what's wrong with being the leader here. We all know that global warming is real (at least anyone with an IQ above room temperature) and if we don't start doing something soon, it may well be too late when we finally act. Bolton sounds like a little kid "Johnny doesn't have to do it so why do I have to do it".
December 15th, 2007 at 11:46 amBelieve they have no personal failings.
Avoid learning about their personal failings.
Be highly self-righteous.
Use religion to erase guilt over their acts and to maintain their self-righteousness.
Comment by nellre — December 15, 2007 @ 11:45 am
And there's a photo of O. Bigfoot right next to that entry.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:46 amAll spin aside, you have to say this was a bad few days for the planet. First, we get the terrifying news that the Arctic might be sea ice free by 2013. Then, the US Congress backs down from taking away oil industry subsidies and requiring utilities to use renewable sources. And finally, the US intransigence in Bali produces only the weakest of agreements - agreeing only to keep talking and figure something out by 2009.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:48 amfrankie, jas?
guys?
December 15th, 2007 at 11:48 am#6: You mean: how can a channel that does not spout progressive lies exist in America? I don’t know, but I’m glad that they’re countering your “news†on CNN or MSNBC.
Comment by Frank M
Project much Francine?
December 15th, 2007 at 11:48 amI doubt you even read it but you know it’s faulty logic because it uses words you don’t understand.
Comment by Dave C
There is no correct Frank's stupidity scale. It goes up and it goes down.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:49 amthe US Congress backs down from taking away oil industry subsidies and requiring utilities to use renewable sources. And finally, the US intransigence in Bali produces only the weakest of agreements - agreeing only to keep talking and figure something out by 2009.
PATHETIC
December 15th, 2007 at 11:49 amUS="Outcast of Bali" thanks to moron mentalities like Bolton and Bush.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:49 am"Science Never Sucks"
December 15th, 2007 at 11:50 amScience is always debatable. If there’s a consensus, it’s no longer science.
Comment by Frank M — December 15, 2007 @ 11:30 am
Apparently, that whole "gravity is no longer up for debate" crap is evidence that the media is brainwashed by some cabal of pro-gravity special interests, right, Frank?
Jeez, you can always count of Frank to bring the Stupid.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:50 amand figure something out by 2009.
Typical Bushco.
No idea.
No plan.
No leadership.
Just pass the buck cause it's not our money anyway.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:51 amScience is always debatable. If there’s a consensus, it’s no longer science.
Comment by Frank M — December 15, 2007 @ 11:30 am
In Frank's world gravity is no longer science. Whatever that means. Frank, what does "no longer science" mean? Does it become urban legend? Science fiction? Or just a liberal plot?
December 15th, 2007 at 11:51 amFrank M is simply Mr. Pee, the "TP groupie piss-soaked troll" who finds a sense of relevance through antagonism. Ignore the sleazebucket and he'll vanish.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:51 amGod forbid they think for themselves. Bolton is a complete idiot, so what’s new.
Comment by EDLEE
Read John Dean's Conservatives Without Conscience. He describes these people perfectly. He says that every society is going to have a percentage of people who need a strong authority figure in their lives to tell them how to think and what to do. These are the people who watch Faux Noise and still think that Bush is a great leader. This also describes our resident trolls to a T. They are totally incapable of thinking for themselves. All they can do is regurgitate RNC talking points.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:51 amDave C: In Frank's brain, the world is still flat; the moon is made of swiss cheese; and cows fly. He's certified bat$hit.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:52 amJeez, you can always count of Frank to bring the Stupid.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — December 15, 2007 @ 11:50 am
and jas will bring on the seconds.
(just kidding jas!)
btw, ralph did you know that frankie and jas share the same computer? it's true.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:53 amBush has committed so many crimes that it makes one's head spin. I can't wait for the people to bring charges against him (and dickhead) for war crimes, crimes against humanity, and violation of civil rights. He'll be tied up in court room drama for the rest of his life. The moment he evacuates the WH, the Red Cross and the Hague will nail his disgusting butt and make sure that he gets his day in court. I've heard that genocidal crimes against humanity will net him the same fate as Saddam Hussein.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:54 amFrank M is simply Mr. Pee, the “TP groupie piss-soaked troll†who finds a sense of relevance through antagonism. Ignore the sleazebucket and he’ll vanish.
Comment by patooty — December 15, 2007 @ 11:51 am
I disagree. I think Frank is Jake.
CHL is much more Mr. Pee-like.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:54 am“Bolton claimed that the U.S. was pursuing the right path by refusing to support mandatory limits on climate change, since Canada, Japan, Russia, and China also oppose themâ€
My opinion is that those countries are buying some time in order to invest more on alternatives, which is wrong of course, cause we have to act now.
China just built the greatest hydroelectric in the planet (180,000 MW) and soon will be the largest producer of PV and Solar thermal.
Canada found out recently about its bitumenous sands and thinks it has its future secure if CO2 sequestration techniques are proved to be affordable.
US, Russia and China have (in that order) the largest coal reserves in the planet, which is said to last some 150 years, so they won't be aggresive towards renewables. Brazil just lost the Amazonas when Lula signed that ethanol deal with Bush.
I think US has the largest renewable energy potential due to the annual insolation rates, but they have to be as strong as Germany.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:55 amThe ONLY thing that you can say when Bolton speaks is:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
December 15th, 2007 at 11:55 amEven if the science was debatable which it is definitely not at this point, why not explore alternative energy sources to enhance our sense of national security and reduce our reliance on foreign countries for our survival?
Ding...ding...ding...give this man a prize. There is an answer to that question, though. We can't possibly do anything to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. If we do, then the big oil companies would no longer be making big bucks and many of the Republiscums would suffer financially. You know, make 50 million a year off their investments instead of 70 million a year.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:55 amCan you imagine the celebrations in the streets of this country when a new prez is elected? It will probably parallel the celebrations which will take place when he's convicted of war crimes, no doubt.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:55 amWhat is it with these right-wing facists neocon bastards??!? They starting by telling you lies. Than they lie more. After that they lie a bit further. Than they start to beleive in they lies they tell. No one liked Bolton in the UN. Not even other American representatives... Not only the
December 15th, 2007 at 11:56 amUS was isolated, with the excepition of Israel and Pakistan, but Boltom himself got so isolated to the point of irrelevance. That is why he got substituted. Bolton is that kind of ugly duck... only a mother thinks he is great.
I guess it could be said that we need this piss-soaked moron to spew his feces on our threads in order to give our own ego's a boost? His comments certainly accomplish that.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:56 amsaco: It's called "pathological liar syndrome". Bush has perfected it into an entirely new diagnosis and set of symptoms.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:57 amDIRECT FROM THE 15TH CENTURY:
#49: So, do scientists know exactly what gravity is? No. There’s no consensus.
Comment by Frank M
December 15th, 2007 at 11:57 amBolton, too, drinks oil (petroleum) three times a day.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:58 amWhat else would we expect from him?
I disagree. I think Frank is Jake.
CHL is much more Mr. Pee-like.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama
Actually, Frank has been around since Jake the Flake was here, so I doubt that he is Jake. What I don't understand is why Frank is still here. Don't you guys flag his idiotic posts? I know I do.
Frank (aka Francine) is a totally useless troll. S/he comes here a flings feces on the wall and then sits back to see what kind of a reaction s/he will get. The minute you ask Frank a question or ask him to prove his bullshit, he takes a powder. I can't remember even one time when he answered a question put to him or proved anything he had to say. So, since he is such a useless troll, let's all flag him until they finally get rid of him.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:00 pmSo, do scientists know exactly what gravity is? No. There’s no consensus.
Comment by Frank M — December 15, 2007 @ 11:55 am
Enlighten us on your take on the "Gravity Controversy" Frank.
Do you even think before you post statements like this? How are they intended to further your arguments?
Viewing your contributions to this forum objectively, one can only judge that your sole purpose is to distract and waste other posters' time. Seriously, Frank. No one can be THAT stupid. Even Southern Man makes more sense than you do.
I guess it's a testament to your devotion to the Cause that you're willing to sacrifice your dignity to achieve your goal.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:00 pmSo, do scientists know exactly what gravity is? No. There’s no consensus.
Comment by Frank M — December 15, 2007 @ 11:55 am
frankie drop a walnut on your head. then sit down a think about it.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:01 pmI'll agree w/ Frank here for once. There is no gravity, Frank.
Now if you would be so kind as to float away.
thanks.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:01 pm#49: So, do scientists know exactly what gravity is? No. There’s no consensus
December 15th, 2007 at 12:01 pmIt is one of the fundamental forces. No debate. Real science.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitation
So, do scientists know exactly what gravity is? No. There’s no consensus.
Comment by Frank M — December 15, 2007 @ 11:55 am
Ha ha ha. Frank is giving a science lesson. How is this relevant to a discussion on global warming? Scientists know how gravity affects objects, how things behave as a result of gravity. Therefore they can predict outcomes on the basis of the effects of gravity. There is consensus on these theories & the proposed outcomes. The same can be said for global warming. The scientific community has reached a similar consensus on the current warming trend, the causes and the most effective way to reduce man's impact on the environment. You would suggest that such a consensus means that this is no longer science. What exactly does that mean? What do scientific theories become in your world once consensus is met? Where is your support to dispute these theories? All you've got is denial.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:01 pmI agree, bilbo. Let's flag Frank away.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:04 pmTroll - 1
Everyone else - 0
When the thread is derailed and you're contributing, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
Remember, it's best to talk ABOUT the distractor, not TO them.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:05 pmRalph: It's all the same troll. That's the beauty of the schizophrenia involved here. Mr. Pee is Frank who is also Jake and CHL - this is inside info.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:05 pmIt's fun to make fun of Frank M. Am I bad to enjoy it?
December 15th, 2007 at 12:05 pmHi Frank:
December 15th, 2007 at 12:07 pmI had no idea of your interests in science. I was wondering how you feel about the issues of GM in all its modern forms. I am especially interested in your views relative to transgenic manipulatations and the link between market capitalism, religion, and pioneering molecular biology. Thanks in advance for your thoughful response
Sadly, bilbo, I agree with you. It's been fun to play Whack-A-Trollâ„¢ with Frank, but how many times can you point out his stupidity? And he seems to be spiralling down in terms of coherence.
I'm willing to go along with the "Flag-and-Freeze Frank" campaign.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:08 pmJohn Bolt-on-stupid, another figment of the 50s, is being pushed upon us in 2007.
Influential expansion of the AEI has been one of the great mistakes of the first decade in the 21st century. Not to mention, radio is one-sided shit.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:09 pmIt’s fun to make fun of Frank M. Am I bad to enjoy it?
Comment by nellre
Well, if the best thing you can find to do with your time is argue with a pre-pubescent, anonymous liar, then I kinda feel sorry for you.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:09 pmCan't flag Frank M. He's right. He's not abusive, just obtuse.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:10 pmFox is State Sponsored TV and should be shut down.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:11 pmAnd what makes you think that I am required to answer any of your questions?
Comment by Frank M — December 15, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
frankie calm down! no one's going to ban you. this isn't like high school where you never got invited to any parties. stop reliving the past, you'll only give yourself another nose bleed.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:12 pmSo, do scientists know exactly what gravity is? No. There’s no consensus.
Comment by Frank M — December 15, 2007 @ 11:55 am
Yes, yes they do. It's the curvature of time-space. Read a book.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:12 pmNonsense. I’ve been accused of being a paid GOP operative and now you’re saying that I’m posting under many aliases. Neither is true.
Comment by Frank M — December 15, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
jas talk to frankie. he's starting to lose it.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:13 pmNo reason to flag Frank at this time - the rules in this case aren't on our side. Let us not reinforce the right's accusation towards this site seeking to mold into an echochamber.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:13 pmWhy would anyone use Bolton as an expert??? Oh yes, that's right it is FAUX.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:15 pmRepublicans give repulsively ugly people these propaganda jobs.
The do very well at it since they have nothing else to live for.
And they play the "don't blame America" card like they actually represent America.
These lazy pukes find it too hard to love America and be good at the same time.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:15 pmIn the same way that dirt and dust particles serve as condensation nuclei in the atmosphere, Frank's comments may serve in an odd way to bring forth interesting and thoughtful comments.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:16 pm#74: Nonsense. I’ve been accused of being a paid GOP operative and now you’re saying that I’m posting under many aliases. Neither is true.
Comment by Frank M — December 15, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
In all fairness to Frank, I believe him. No one would pay for his "contributions" because they're so completely lame and his goofiness is pretty singular. I don't find him abusive, just well, ignorant. And I find his willingness to concede to being a fascist refreshing. We would never see that sort of admission from Pee or Jake or any of the other totalitarian-loving trolls that pop up here like toadstools.
He's also not a bloviating pompous bigfoot, who runs and hides whenever pressed to substantiate a dubious claim. Frank just keeps blathering away, as if what he was writing made any sense at all.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:16 pmBolton and his kind need remedial isolation..forever.
Since the US was forced by the rest of the world, BOOING THEM in Bali, to abandon their position on climate negotiations, this again proves that Bolton and the lunatic fringe have no clue.
Why isn't the MSM ignoring them like the rest of the WORLD???
December 15th, 2007 at 12:16 pmFellas, on topic:
BWAHAHAHAHA...
Yeah, Bali Conference as any other Climate Change Conference is done, because there is no correct temperature.
Seriously, I'm so ashamed being the same species that this Bolton.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:16 pmlet’s all flag him until they finally get rid of him.
Comment by bilbobaggins — December 15, 2007 @ 12:00 pm
Do you mean to go to posts numbers 8, 15, 31, and 59 on this thread and click on the Report Abuse link and there's a chance Frank M will be gone?
December 15th, 2007 at 12:17 pmYeah the same people who trash science for ID absolutely LOVE science when they can manipulate it to keep trashing the earth.
God hates Bolton and Frank.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:17 pm#80 I'm not arguing or debating with him. It's adolescent of me to enjoy poking fun of him I know, but I take myself seriously all work week, and need a break now and then. Am I bad?
December 15th, 2007 at 12:18 pmFrank, the reason you have no place here is that, as I noted earlier, you have demonstrated no interest in discussion, debate, or even sharing well-thought-out, reasonable ideas.
Your every post is simply contrarian, adding nothing to the discussion but a speed bump. There's never a reasonable alternative viewpoint offered from you, just a reactionary push-back against whatever you imagine the Left is going to think.
And when you try to think on your feet -- whew! That's when your limitations really get revealed in sharp relief. No wonder you don't answer very many questions; you don't have any answers. All you have is the blog forum equivalent of a little brother touching his sister until she complains, then saying "I'm not touching you".
THAT's why you add nothing to the forum. As if you care.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:18 pmWhat are Bolton's credentials in declaring that his opinion is correct and scientists around the world, Al Gore, and other nation leaders are wrong?
December 15th, 2007 at 12:20 pmYosemite Sam needs a nap, followed by retirement into obscurity.
There was a front page headline in the Dallas Morning News 2 days ago:
"Evolution going under the microscope.
Can you believe these frickin science deniers are actually pulling evolution out of text books in Texas?????????
December 15th, 2007 at 12:20 pmThe science deniers want to shut down public schools.
But if they can't they want to teach Genesis.
It's gonna get ugly in Texas. Very ugly.
These are the people who deny global warming.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:22 pmCan you believe these frickin science deniers are actually pulling evolution out of text books in Texas?????????
Comment by Guido OBGYN Lover
Absolutely. Didn't you know that the National Headquarters for the Flat Earth Society is in Texas?
December 15th, 2007 at 12:24 pmBolton must have a short fuse.
I must wonder how many members of the family he's kicked to the street?
December 15th, 2007 at 12:24 pmCan you believe these frickin science deniers are actually pulling evolution out of text books in Texas?????????
Comment by Guido OBGYN Lover — December 15, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
yes, I can, Guido, because to those who would strive for such a change, "evolution" is a buzz-word. It doesn't mean the gradual transformation of the gene pool due to natural selection over time, it simply means that we descended from apes. That is a concept they can't accept, so the rest of the theory that leads to that concept is discarded.
They don't trust the facts to lead them to a conclusion. Much like the Bush administration"fixing the facts around teh policy", they start from where they want to end up and work backwards.
Boy, do they work backwards.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:24 pm#93 Perhaps you are not the same species.
It's just a theory of mine, but I think we're evolving into two species
One that believes anything they're told by those they perceive as authority figures
One that is logical and can think for themselves.
But I don't know which will rule the Earth.
If global warming continues at it's current rate, the issue may be moot.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:24 pmNormally I think that people have the right to their own opinion. Unfortunately with global warming, their opinion could quite likely affect my future. I used to say "are you willing to bet the lives of your children and grandchildren on the premise that global warming is a hoax". Unfortunately I am getting to the point where I have to say "Are you willing to bet your future," since it looks like global warming is happening at an alarming rate of speed.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:27 pmTHAT’s why you add nothing to the forum. As if you care.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama
Noticed that the only thoughtful, reasonable comment from Frank was when he complained about being flagged? He is a derailer, nothing more.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:28 pm#97 I disagree. Frank M is a catalyst. He makes us laugh sometimes, he makes us research sometimes, he makes us vomit sometimes.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:29 pmAnd I am a great believer in free speech. I'm sure you are too.
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December 15th, 2007 at 12:30 pmAmerica needs to pull the plug at Fox
December 15th, 2007 at 12:30 pmOff-topic but really, really funny:
You know Steve King, the Republican Congressman from Iowa who not only introduced a resolution honoring "the importance of Christmas and the Christian faith" last week, but who then went on Faux news and criticized the nine Democrats who voted against it (the resolution passed 372-9) as "secularists" who want to "eradicate Christ from Christmas"?
Well the really funny part about the whole story is that the 372 "Yes" votes didn't include Steve King.
That's right.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:32 pmBolton should spend less time gang-banging with his wife and more time with a clue.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:32 pmnellre: I believe that most of us here have no problem with free speech, as with you; however, if you visit these threads often enough you will see the typical pattern of "thread hijacking" done by this troll. The only time I see him as a true "catalyst" is in the form of thread hijacking - he manages to shift the conversation either to himself directly by pushing people's buttons (one hijacking method) or turns the conversation into a purely hypothetical, non productive waste of everyone's time.
Most of us are proponents of free speech so we recognize that Frank M in his myriad of monikers will heckle us every day. The trick is to not directly engage with a known hijacker, thereby making him rethink his position or leave the thread completely.
No one enjoys being ignored. It's part of the human egoic framework but there is a difference when a troll's intention is not intellectual discourse but, rather, a bona fide attempt to thwart intellectual tete-a-tete.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:34 pmBolton has....a wife?
December 15th, 2007 at 12:35 pmYes, pull the plug on FOX.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:36 pmFollow the money.
Enforce the laws.
Shut FOX down.
Stop institutionalized propaganda.
Anjuna: Where does a democracy draw the line between obvious propaganda and truth? This is the line in the sand which is occurring right now with stations who spew lies like Fox News vs. legit internet sites. It's apparent that the net is winning and these 24/7 news channels are becoming dinos. Newsprint will be a thing of the past soon if the AP/UP doesn't begin telling americans the truth based on cold hard facts.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:37 pmIt is the job of the media to rip politicians to shreds.
This does not mean they hate America.
It means America is great.
And that politicians are bad.
This is why FOX is so offensive.
This is media 101.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:38 pmJUST GOOGLE: fox blocker and get yours today! It not only blocks Bush's propaganda arm but also sends a clear signal to Fox that we will have nothing of what they're serving. Thanks, but no thanks.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:38 pmComment by willyloman — December 15, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
Great point, and I would love to see Reid replaced with Dick Durbin.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:38 pm#117 If that were true, we'd all breathe a sigh of relief, would'nt we? But we know the truth about Fox News. It's not about ripping politicos apart at all; in fact, when it comes to ripping the daily onslaught of GOP criminals being outed, Fox does nothing of the kind. Conversely, on days when it's obvious that one of their "ilk" is being outed, they intentionally present some inane, ridiculous piece on some celebrity whom no one gives one flying hoot about.
Fox News is absolutely the worst news program, bar none.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:40 pmSince this is a Global Warning thread how about a little related humor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LKHHjA7-y0&eurl=http://www.scienceblogs.de/
December 15th, 2007 at 12:41 pmWilly & Hunter: I'll second that thought. Reid is a spineless, blabbering fool who needs to be replaced. He can take his galpal Nancy Pelosi with him. She's a total failure and disappointment to the people of this country.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:41 pmHow could that woman even pretend to appear enthusiastic while interviewing that gruff?
These people scare the hell out of me, how they carry the influence, power, etc., they don't deserve.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:41 pmWell the really funny part about the whole story is that the 372 “Yes†votes didn’t include Steve King.
That’s right.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — December 15, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
that is funny! thanks for the link.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:42 pmAnd what are Bolton's credentials on this issue ?
December 15th, 2007 at 12:42 pmEurope is not isolated on this issue.Europe's position is shared by most countries on this planet.
Why is Bolton's opinion is even matters on this issue?.
It matters to Fox because it is just another attack on Al Gore..and Bolton possesses good credentials for it.
Any news on Dodd's filibuster and which candidates will be participating? I suspect that Dodd's numbers will skyrocket from this action. He seems to be the only candidate with chutzpah.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:42 pmTarazan: No gives a flying rat's a$$ what John Bolton, aka Clarabell, thinks on any issue. He's an irrelevant sleazebucket who needs to quit with the moustache wax (snidley whiplash?) and get a life before it's too late.
He has absolutely ZIPPO CREDIBILITY to be making scientific statements. Next!
December 15th, 2007 at 12:43 pmComment by patooty — December 15, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
Nancy's fitness report, come late 2008, will probably be positive in terms of House opinion, so I view it as unlikely she'll be replaced before 2010.
Reid, on the other hand, may be ousted early on, as Democrats may want to recognize the shining star in Dick Durbin's full leadership potential.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:47 pmSorry, I posted that Three Gorges Dam in China was about deliver 180,000 MW.
It's 18,000 MW.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:47 pmUgh, just watch youtube video of Clinton campaigner Mark Penn trying to say cocaine as many times as possible in one sentence about Barack Obama.
I really thought that the Clinton attack machine was going to be more affective, but now they look like the kindergarteners.
December 15th, 2007 at 12:55 pmComment by Jason M. Hendler — December 15, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
Did anyone else hear some distant babbling?
December 15th, 2007 at 1:01 pmOMG, Rush Limbaugh stated that he thought Bill Clinton would intentionally scuttle his wife's presidential election bid, now here is the proof:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316949,00.html
I could see Bill slipping once with a gaff, but not not so blatantly and so often as this.
December 15th, 2007 at 1:02 pm#112 I do lots of comments on lots of boards. When trolls post, the comments are enlivened. I agree that direct debate with a troll is a waste of time... but we tend to come up with more comments and more content when they're present. Otherwise all we're doing is preaching to the choir.
Years ago one could actually get into an honest debate on the Yahoo boards. I miss that a lot. Now the folks that disagree with us with any substance do not have the guts to come forward, or perhaps they don't exist. We're left with trolls.
If we'd all contribute real stuff, links etc. to support each other, without a troll to push it, OK by me. But we don't do that.
I think the blogs are a godsend. The bloggers are people like us. Our comments make us part of this evolution and we should celebrate it. Anybody willing to engage needs to be welcomed.
December 15th, 2007 at 1:02 pmUnfortunatly for O. Biggie his mainstrean is a sewage interceptor. The source is the WH and it flows to many mouths, like Biggie and Frank.
December 15th, 2007 at 1:10 pmI found this site very informative
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/summary.htm
There is hope for the bear
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/12/arctic-update-resilient-bears-vanishing-ice/?hp
But not much for Florida
December 15th, 2007 at 1:16 pmhttp://www.physorg.com/news68889060.html
http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~tk/climate_dynamics/climate_impact_webpage.html
Sure, Yosemite Sam - all those delegates who booed ours were actually booing Al Gore, right?
December 15th, 2007 at 1:22 pmThe only "fringe" biggie comprehends is on the Daniel Boone getup he wears around to look "rugged".
December 15th, 2007 at 1:23 pmDo people take seriously what LUNATICS say?
December 15th, 2007 at 1:35 pm“JUST GOOGLE: fox blocker and get yours today! It not only blocks Bush’s propaganda arm but also sends a clear signal to Fox that we will have nothing of what they’re serving. Thanks, but no thanks.
Comment by patooty — December 15, 2007 @ 12:38 pmâ€
Please do. It allows Fox to even more effectively target it’s audience and charge proper advertising rates according to the demographic.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 15, 2007 @ 1:03 pm
Excellent rationalization, O. Bigfool! fewer potential viewers is always a good thing for a cable network.
O'Biggie's argument here sounds a lot like the moment in Spinal Tap when Marty DeBergi points out that on heir current tour, Tap was playing much smaller venues than in their heyday. He asks the manager if this means their popularity is waning.
"On, no no no no no not at all," says the manager, "I think their appeal is becoming more selective."
Yeah, that's the ticket, O'Biggie. Maybe the appeal of Faux News can become "more selective". Good one.
December 15th, 2007 at 1:41 pmBigfoot's idea of "mainstream" is the 28% that still approve of the rape of their country. That's funny.
December 15th, 2007 at 1:42 pmIs there another inhabitable planet nearby that repugs, the super rich, and corporations know about and the rest of the world doesn't? They sure act that way!
Memo to republican scumbags: This is the only planet we have. If we *bleep* it up, there's nowhere else to go!
December 15th, 2007 at 1:44 pmLooks like his soup-strainer mustache is not allowing any oxygen to reach John Bolton's brain.
December 15th, 2007 at 1:44 pmThe anti-climate change people are losing ground. The US is going to look more and more like a buffoon the longer we avoid this issue. This is understood, and we have taken a U-turn.
December 15th, 2007 at 1:54 pmProjection, anyone?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 15, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
Ching-ching-ching-a-ling... ching-ching-ching-a-ling...
I thought I heard the gentle tinkling of Jingle Ballsâ„¢ around here!
December 15th, 2007 at 1:56 pmJohn Bolton: Neocon Scumbag from Hell.
Nobody with half a brain listens to that psychotic fool.
December 15th, 2007 at 1:57 pm145 - i thought they were Jingo balls.
December 15th, 2007 at 1:59 pmI'm with Nellri regarding the loss of the Yahoo discussion boards.
They never did explain the change or re-introduce that forum as promised.
I wonder why?
December 15th, 2007 at 2:02 pmCan anyone reccomend an active forum similar to the old Yahoo Discussion boards?
December 15th, 2007 at 2:23 pmIf FOX were communicating with the mainstream, their numbers wouldn't be so pitiful and the demographic wouldn't be so laughable. Rightwing fringe loonies never buy anything; they're under the bed most of the time, where bigfoot posts from. Talk about your projection, bigfoot lives in a liberal democracy, but thinks liberals are in the minority. Shows the mental illness of the typical rightwing coward.
December 15th, 2007 at 2:27 pmYou think we live in a democracy, Lefty?
December 15th, 2007 at 2:29 pm#143 Celtic Cynic wrote:
[ Looks like his soup-strainer mustache is not allowing any oxygen to reach John Bolton's brain].
Celtic : Bolton needs a mustache sandbalsting job.....
December 15th, 2007 at 2:33 pmWhile I think most people agree that Bolton is as delicate as a raging bull in a china shop, and that his viewpoints represent a high degree of lunacy, I think the reporting here is perhaps off-target. Bolton's a bad example to refute, of course.
Peer reviewed research has uniformly indicate that a focus on reducing carbon emissions will not have the effect that are claimed in the mainstream media. Furthermore, peer reviewed research also disputes the apocalyptic predictions that global warming will kill us all. While I think that Bjorn Lomborgs Cool It might underestimate the effects of global warming, it seems clear that his underestimation is far less egregious than the massive overestimations of people like Gore (who, imo, should not have received a Nobel given the degree of misrepresentations in his climate work).
This organization is called "Think Progress" -- yet on the topic of climate change, you're far from being progressive. Jumping on the emissions reduction bandwagon without reading the peer reviewed research is not only irresponsible, but it's weak and lame. If you want to be progressive, try reading the quality research out there and then pushing a socially responsible agenda. I'm getting sick of the perpetual whining...
December 15th, 2007 at 2:44 pm153 - you're saying we should therefore just maintain the status quo?
December 15th, 2007 at 2:46 pmp.s. - have a little cheese with your whine, too.
OR, propose something positive - did you not have something positive to add, in light of your incisive, and thoroughly researched post.
December 15th, 2007 at 2:48 pmComment by Frank M — December 15, 2007 @ 11:22 am
Progressive lies? I have debunked many of your fibs and accusations, please cite examples of WTH your talking about.
December 15th, 2007 at 3:05 pmComment by btomhave — December 15, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
Cite this "peer reviewed research" you keep referencing.
December 15th, 2007 at 3:07 pmso, btomhave? is the answer: do nothing, and furthermore don't talk about it, and don't listen to otherwise credible sources who do?
or what?
i'm willing, for a moment, to defer to whatever your study has led you to believe - what do the credible, peer-reviewed researchers recommend as an approach to handling what is, unquestionably, a real and ongoing phenomenon?
December 15th, 2007 at 3:09 pmFurthermore, peer reviewed research also disputes the apocalyptic predictions that global warming will kill us all. -BottomHalf
Yet I'm supposed to believe those that think the middle east will bloom into full-blown apocalypse Emissions reduction is a good thing even if there was no global warming. People today think only in terms of their lifetime and not thousands of years into the future.
December 15th, 2007 at 3:10 pmX, frank's jibber jabber is (predictably) immaterial.
btomhave, this other guy here, claims to be up on the topic - homework done, and i want some more information from him.
December 15th, 2007 at 3:12 pmpeer reviewed research also disputes the apocalyptic predictions that global warming will kill us all. While I think that Bjorn Lomborgs Cool It might underestimate the effects of global warming, Comment by btomhave — December 15, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
"Cool it" is not peer reviewed. You are a reich-winger and a fraud.
December 15th, 2007 at 3:15 pmComment by tombaker — December 15, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
I'd also like to see this research btomhave talks about. But I can pretty much already guess that it will be some (R)townhall shill.
December 15th, 2007 at 3:15 pmI’m getting sick of the perpetual whining…
Comment by btomhave — December 15, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
Then stop listening to yerself...
December 15th, 2007 at 3:20 pmLord knows we don't...
December 15th, 2007 at 3:23 pmThat might depend on what your definition of "here" is....
December 15th, 2007 at 3:24 pmSo, do scientists know exactly what gravity is? No. There’s no consensus.
Are you flying off the earth as it spins? Then you KNOW what gravity is, and the consensus is that it exists.
December 15th, 2007 at 3:26 pmi guess btomhave's true colors are "poo-and-shoo", because he doesn't seem interested in further explicating his grandiose post.
my scholarly friends always have lots more to say, on a given subject. perhaps mr. bottom is a little less than scholarly than he'd have others believe.
December 15th, 2007 at 3:29 pmTwo points worth making:
1)The earth does not, true, have a correct temperature. We, however, do. So does most life.
The earth will survive all this nicely. That's small consolation to the planet's inhabitants.
2)Science never tells you what a thing or a process is. It tells you how it works, how it behaves. We don't know what matter is, or what energy is,or what space or time are. Modern science (with Newton) began when 'natural philosophers' stopped worrying endlessly about those questiions and started to concentrate on how things worked.
December 15th, 2007 at 3:45 pmComment by pbg — December 15, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
The human body temperature does vary, haven't you ever had a chill or a fever. I think normal may be a better word than correct to describe the temperature of 98.6 degrees F.
The interesting thing is that the human body fights back when we go to far astray from 98.6. When we get chilled we shiver, involuntary muscle action that produces heat. A fever is the result of the transfer by the blood of heat from inside our body to the skin where it can move out of the body.
If we exceed certain limits, either higher or lower, we die. The Earth is a living organism like us. I firmly believe it is sick, and, like I would help anyone who was sick, I want to do my part to stop the suffering.
I also believe the Bush is the progenitor of a deadly strain of a disease that threatens all of us. We have a vaccine that will kill of this scurge to mankind called impeachment. Pull em down and bend over George.
December 15th, 2007 at 4:35 pmPlease do. It allows Fox to even more effectively target it’s audience and charge proper advertising rates according to the demographic.
Fox already knows they don’t have the liberal loon market. They aren’t even trying for that one.
They’re communicating to the mainstream, not the fringe.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 15, 2007 @ 1:03 pm
You know as much about advertising dollars and demographics as you know about everything else. Everybody blocks Fox and pretty soon all you'll see are denture cream and adult diaper commercials. Not exactly high end advertisers. Targeting that audience will be the end of the decent shows Fox has been producing up until now.
December 15th, 2007 at 4:48 pmbtomhave believes the science deniers are the scientists and that the idiots are the thinkers. How is life in bizzaro world btomhave?
December 15th, 2007 at 4:54 pmEverybody blocks Fox and pretty soon all you’ll see are denture cream and adult diaper commercials.
Comment by Shayne — December 15, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
Well, shucks, they've homed right in on Footie's 2 biggest needs. No wonder he's so keen on Fox.
December 15th, 2007 at 4:59 pmUsing biggie's insights, we can fairly calculate that one year from now, Gold Bond will be paying $225 Million a minute to advertise their powder.
December 15th, 2007 at 5:11 pmI guess I have to wonder why anyone cares what Bolton has to say.. Why does anyone still put a microphone in front of his face, and why does anyone even listen to what he thinks??
December 15th, 2007 at 5:14 pm174 - danged if i know - he's the worst yosemite sam impersonator i've ever seen.
December 15th, 2007 at 5:17 pm[and i don't think anyone actually does listen to him, but i can't vouch for all those folks who actually watch reality tv shows, either]
December 15th, 2007 at 5:18 pmWhy in the hell are we listening to John "Recess Appointment" Bolton about ANYTHING? He's a failed Neo-Con and someone should pull his plug.
December 15th, 2007 at 5:38 pmBolton is no more a scientist than he is a diplomat. Or a human.
December 15th, 2007 at 5:54 pmBolton is a big, fat, purple DonkeyD!ck
December 15th, 2007 at 6:11 pmDick Cheney loves John Bolton.
That's all we need to know.
December 15th, 2007 at 6:28 pmYou can’t call opponents to these policies “denialists†and then go on to pretend you don’t know what China and India account for in emissions. Or that the US not participating in Kyoto is any different than India and China participating in it without any binding targets.
WTF is the point of avoiding irreversible climate change in theory ? Either you do or you don’t. You don’t if you continue to endorse agreements which exempt India and China. It’s that simple. And you know it.
Comment by Kilo — December 15, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
So you believe that the US should use 3rd world countries as our EXAMPLE instead of providing LEADERSHIP? ROTLF you wingnuts are STUPID! That explains why you use DICTATORS and TERRORISTS as the basis for your TORTURE MORALITY!
How about DOING THE RIGHT THING FIRST YOURSELF and then NEGOTIATING others into doing the same? Instead of WHINING that others aren't doing what you want, so YOU have no obligation to do the right thing like a 6 year old petulant little boy? You wingnuts are CLEARLY the product of POOR PARENTING! GROW UP, CHILD!
December 15th, 2007 at 7:53 pmOh, and kilo, if you think it's ridiculous that third world countries don't have the comply with the same standards as US companies (individuals) do, then perhaps you have a problem with the fact those countries have virtually no environmental and workplace and product safety laws? Why should the US protect our workers and the worlds oceans and waterways if China doesn't - right? That's exactly how STUPID and RIDICULOUS this RANT of yours is! It shows your COMPLETE IGNORANCE of how both domestic and international laws are enacted and under what basis. You my dear child are a fool!
December 15th, 2007 at 7:59 pmWhy would anyone in their right mind waste their time refuting Bolten's belligerent blabber? I would, and making Kilo look like a contrarian ingrate is why.
Al Gore and Europe are Leaders, and were applauded at the conference, and the "American" delegation was mocked, derided, and shamed into flipping their position. Audio and video from the conference make the point un-debatable.
Bolten then, in a shocking demonstration of idiot-logic, perverted that into "the isolation" of Gore and Europe. No scintilla of credibility in the statement. No irony.
Finally, kilo, I have to wonder why we would peg our standards to other, inferior standards practiced overseas. I don't let my yard deteriorate to the point that it matches the crappiest property on the block, simply because those neighbors maintain their property poorly.
We have to watch out for that "soft bigotry of low expectations", don't we?
December 15th, 2007 at 8:12 pmBolton kind of reminds me of Baghdad Bob. I wonder if Bob works for the neo-cons as a PR specialist.
The Rockefeller/Zio-con element in Us/UK/Israel want to use military force as a way to achieve a One World Global fascist state. This is currently in effect. It is about Fear and ruining the image of democracy to get people to accept a harsher form of government that will take away liberty but provide order, a New World Order. The democracy movement in China and Hong Kong is gone. China says thank you. Even Taiwans President talked about declaring Martial Law recently .
The Rothchilds/Europe want to use Global warming to achieve a One World Global Socialist State. The Carbon tax is just a global income tax. Energy consumption growth correlates with national income growth. By limiting the wealth, the capital flows elsewhere.
Our way is to eliminate the wealth of the critters, which we are doing. Business is now exporting our capital to China and increasing their critters wealth. This is working well, so we do not care about Global Warming. Europes elite wants to accelerate their capital exports, but in their own way, which is War on Global Warming/Environment. I kind of like their way better.
December 15th, 2007 at 9:20 pm"Critters"?
That's a new one.
December 15th, 2007 at 9:45 pm"Fox News is for folks who think, and apparently there are plenty..."
ROTFLMFAO!
December 15th, 2007 at 10:51 pmFox News is for folks who think, and apparently there are plenty, considering the massive viewership.
The other two networks are for the sheep.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 15, 2007 @ 9:49 pm
FOX has a tiny viership, compared to the networks, and its demographic is very waek in purchasing power. Colmes is not a liberal, he's an actor, a clown. if I or any real liberal were hired to go up against Hannity, he'd be fired in a week. And if FOX were not blocked by so many thoughtful, patriotic households, its numbers wouldn't be so puny comaparitively. To crow about FOX's numbers compared to CNN and MSNBC is to point out the overall weakness of rightwing cable media, all competing with each other for the same small number of idiots and robots, like bigfoot. morons and traitors dominate the demographic of rightwing bullshit cable television, and FOX is the leader of the shitpile. no wonder idiots like bigfoot take so much pride, living in that shitpile themselves.
December 15th, 2007 at 10:57 pmThanks guys. Starting a blog on Left wing lunacy. This thread was a gem. Your combined IQ would be interesting to know. Cheers.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:40 pm"Fox News is for folks who think, and apparently there are plenty considering their viewership, that the Earth is flat and about 8,000 years old."
There, I fixed for ya, Footie. You're welcome.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:40 pm191 - I'm certain it would compare favorably to the avg. iq of the fox news audience at any given time. In fact, I'd make a hefty wager on it.
I'm also certain the internet audience will be beating down your doors, when you reveal your groundbreaking critique. So far, I don't think anyone in the "new media" has tried tackling the eath-shattering contention that "liberals" are, in fact, "moonbats, far on the fringe of "mainstream america"". You are sure to be a hit.
Congratulations on "scooping" everyone with your keen insight and unwavering patriotism.
December 16th, 2007 at 12:10 amIt does not take a smart person to see that Fox interview with Bolton has nothing to do with Global Warming...
He is not a scientist,he is not in the field of environment and research. He has no credentials in the subject he is tackling.
Yes , he has a big mouth...and that's why he was interviewed by Fox.
If Fox is sincere about educating the public,they could have interviewed a researcher,professor,or scientist in this field of Global Warming,regardless whether he agrees with Al Gore or not, for the sake of science and educating the public. The interviewr also has no knowledge of the field either. That's how Fox operates...not to educate, but to inflame...
Fox interest is not educating the public, instead it is to lash at Al Gore..and to support GOP agenda..
December 16th, 2007 at 6:55 amBolton on Global Warming Conference, "If anybody’s delusional here, I think it’s me."
December 16th, 2007 at 11:42 amAdd 98% of the planet's population in your column of the intellectually challenged, anti. Every international agency and every scientist who's paycheck is NOT signed by an oil company. Then again, genius frequently stands alone. That and bone-crushing stupidity.
December 16th, 2007 at 3:51 pmI wouldn't equate evolution and global warming. There is plenty of evidence for evolution and even then the mechanics are not totally understood but to deny evolution means accepting spontaneous generation which is ludicrous. That being said, even evolution should be questioned.
Global warming on the other hand doesn't really qualify as a theory because it has to be disprovable and I see over and over that wording such as "its a closed case" its "undeniable" and anyone that questions it is basically a lunatic or a right wing nutjob.
Michael Crichton, a PHD, who is far from a lunatic and is a pretty intellgent guy, wrote a book called A State of Fear regarding the global warming craze. That is what we are in, a state of fear.
I look at a single graph, Temperature versus CO2 concentration. I'm an engineer. I look at data. The graphs show Temperature increasing first, then CO2 concentrations. When I'm at work looking at data, I look for correlations. Something happens first, then something fails. A guy does maintenance, then the tool fails. I have enough sense to know that the tool failing did not cause the maintenance.
Another issue which seems to be skirted by the wayside is global warming since the ice age. Men were not around burning carbon since the ice age. Yet, no one wonders what happened. How is it that temperature increased over that period without human intervention? Is it possible that the earth is not in thermal equilibrium and this is just part of the warming trend?
On the other hand, back in the Cretaceous, the earth was much warmer with much of the US covered by inland seas. Obviously, this wasn't caused by humans unless you are one of the right wing nutjobs that believes the earth is 10000 years old.
Discounting that humans have caused global warming does not equate to discounting evolution. There are plenty of other factors which can warm the planet. Its an energy balance. The energy from the sun changes. Another theory might be that solar cycles affect the weather. It was just in the 70s, thirty years ago, that climatologists were clammering about the next Ice Age and it was based on climate data. Why are these same climatologists suddenly right?
Pro-Global warmers are emotionally and politically tied up into their theory. Climatologists are linked through money and peer pressure to ignore anything that would disrupt the flow of cash.
Its become a political issue, not a science issue and if you feel you are unwilling to discuss facts and the data and blithely dismiss counter arguments, then aren't you just as guilty as the right wing nut jobs that point at the Bible and say evolution is a sham?
I implore you to look the data which contradicts your prized theory, look at the counter agruments and not be afraid that you might see something that causes your mind to click into gear. Even if you still think Global Warming is true, won't you be a better person for it?
Don't just accept the pundits, the actors amd the politicians/lawyers word for it that a one degree change will cause killer hurricanes just because somoene plugged it into a computer model that couldn't even predict next weeks' weather.
I know most of you are probably pretty ignorant about this since you talk about fact and theories in the same sentence.
In science, there is nothing that is a closed case. Everything is open to question and in my mind, from what I've seen, Global Warming is anything but a slam dunk.
Lastly, what is really sad is that you might be people that care about the environment but want to flush trillions down the drain on this.
Look at things that can be changed. Look at species extinction, preserving the amazon, protecting our water and oceans and yes, even protecting the air from pollution. But don't waste your time with this one-degree change in temperature when you don't even know whether going back to the stone age is going to even make a difference.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:01 am