Bob Kerrey: Barack Obama ‘Spent A Little Bit Of Time In A Secular Madrassa’
Bob Kerrey: Barack Obama ‘Spent A Little Bit Of Time In A Secular Madrassa’
This evening on CNN’s The Situation Room, former Sen. Bob Kerrey asserted that Barack Obama had spent time “in a secular madrassa” and argued this was a “tremendous strength” for Obama:
I’ve watched the blogs try to say that you can’t trust him because he spent a little bit of time in a secular madrassa. I feel quite the opposite — I think it’s a tremendous strength. Whether he’s in the United States Senate or whether he’s in the White House, I think it’s a tremendous asset for him.
Watch it:
Note to Kerrey: Barack Obama never attended a “secular madrassa” — an inherently contradictory term because a madrassa is, by definition, a religiously-based school. The claim that Obama attended a madrassa didn’t come from blogs, but rather from right-wing outlets. Insight Magazine, a right-wing magazine tied to the Washington Times, first reported in January that Obama attended an Islamic madrassa school as a 6-year-old child. Fox News then amplified the smear.
CNN, the network on which Kerrey appeared today, debunked the Obama smear in January. CNN’s Senior International Correspondent John Vause traveled to Indonesia, visited the school that Obama attended, and reported it was a public school that did not focus on religion.
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But most people don’t even pay attention to what they even said before. I know I don’t.
December 17th, 2007 at 7:36 pmIs Bob Kerrey trying to be Joe Lieberman-lite, or is he just a confused old man?
December 17th, 2007 at 7:36 pmI spent some time once in a sexual morass….
December 17th, 2007 at 7:37 pmWhile his reporting is factually deplorable - at least his reasoning is fairly accurate. It would be nice to have a leader who actually understands our “enemy of the month”. I still don’t want Obama as our president though for many other reasons unrelated to ignorant right-wing smears.
December 17th, 2007 at 7:42 pmBarack Obama spent NO TIME in Washington today supporting Chris Dodd’s (ongoing) filibuster to save the 4th amendment.
I could’ve been convinced to vote for him if I saw some actual leadership. But he couldn’t muster the effort. Or he couldn’t be bothered.
As a result he will not get my vote.
If he’s unwilling to leave his campaigning to fight for the Constitution then he’s worthless.
I can then only assume Obama wants the government to spy on me (and you) indefinitely, without a warrant. That makes him no different than your average Republican.
Same for Hillary.
December 17th, 2007 at 7:45 pmI want to go to Tantra school. B¡tches.
December 17th, 2007 at 7:50 pmI gotta agree, 2Million. Obama has missed several important Senate votes, on issues on which he has taken strong stands. This is just the latest.
Chris Dodd is the only one of the Senators running who has shown any kind of real leadership in the Senate.
December 17th, 2007 at 7:56 pmWhat in blazes is wrong with Bob Kerrey? If he is trying to support Obama, he would be better to keep quiet.
If he is angling for a position in a Clinton presidency, then I guess I understand his motivation, but I sure don’t approve.
There were only about 10 democrats who stood with Dodd today. So while I am disappointed in that, when I see the numbers, there is no reason to come down too harshly on any one in particular.
BTW, I read that Clinton is the only one who has not signed off on pledging to never use torture under any circumstance. The other candidates have done so.
December 17th, 2007 at 7:58 pmBob Kerrey spent a long time in a DLC school where he learned how to be a right wing appeasing tool. This speaks to the despair of the Clinton campaign. I would say unbelievable except that it is not.
December 17th, 2007 at 8:07 pmThe stupidity of “our leaders” never ceases to amaze me. Kinda explains why we’re in the endless messes we’re in.
December 17th, 2007 at 8:09 pmCritics say the DLC is just a corporate mouthpiece, keeping the top 1% wealthiest people happy.
December 17th, 2007 at 8:12 pmYeah, and I attended a secular seminary…
::rolling my eyes::
December 17th, 2007 at 8:12 pmgotta agree, 2Million. Obama has missed several important Senate votes, on issues on which he has taken strong stands. This is just the latest.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — December 17, 2007 @ 7:56 pm
Chris Dodd’s filibuster wasn’t even mentioned on the NBC evening news with Brian Williams. I spent all day calling Senators and media asking for their support. The rest of the world seems to be denying any of this is happening. It makes you think you’re crazy. But then I turn on Olbermann (guest hosted tonight) and its previewed as a top story. They’re asking the question I was asking all day long…”Why didn’t Hillary and Barack leave Iowa for Washington and fight with Dodd against the FISA bill?”. Thank god for Olbermann.
Never EVER accept the corporate media’s narrative of reality. As soon as you do you may as well give up because its over.
December 17th, 2007 at 8:13 pm“madrassa” is Arabic for ’school.’
December 17th, 2007 at 8:14 pmAnd madrassa means….. school. Oh no! And secular at that!
December 17th, 2007 at 8:15 pmOoskut sharmuta!
http://www.tshirtinsurgency.com
I worked for Bob Kerrey and he has been my favorite politician since 1988. I have prayed that he would be elected President ever since then. I am shocked to find that today, with his underhanded smear of Obama, that I will never trust anything he says again. I imagine the Clintons purchased his subtle smear for a high price. Karl Rove could have written the same comments. I feel like a naive child who just found out his hero is the opposite of a hero. Maybe I should seek counseling at a cult awareness group. I hope there is a limit to the number of Robert Hansen’s in the Democratic Party.
December 17th, 2007 at 8:16 pmdamn. pbg beat me
December 17th, 2007 at 8:18 pmWho’s Kerry fronting for or has he just completely lost it?
December 17th, 2007 at 8:21 pm“madrassa†is Arabic for ’school.’
Comment by pbg — December 17, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
Which means that I spent my 12 years of public education in a madrassa — to an Arabic speaker, anyway.
And an Arabic speaker would refer to the God I worship as “Allah” — whether they were Muslim or not, since “Allah” is the Arabic word for “God”.
It’s pretty sad when people have to create boogeymen out of a language.
December 17th, 2007 at 8:21 pmwhy in the world is a democrat out there in the world saying the words “secular madrassa”? especially today when there were so many things they COULD have been talking about. important things like our constitution and filibusters and why do people who do legal things need ‘retroactive immunity’
it’s a dog and pony show. I, for one, am SICK of dogs and ponies.
December 17th, 2007 at 8:22 pmIt is true that the word Madrassa translated literally means school, but in the US it has increasingly become to mean religious school.
Bob Kerrey is, no doubt, aware of this nuance.
December 17th, 2007 at 8:22 pm** OT - Allison Stewart is reporting that the FISA bill just got yanked. I believe she said it will be taken up again in January!!
Three cheers to Chris Dodd! Finally, a Senator who fights for the Constitution. One of the few Democrats worthy of our respect! Kudos to Russ Feingold, Kennedy and Boxer for the assist!
We won the first round. In January we’ll go for the knockout and win!!
December 17th, 2007 at 8:23 pmGuys… please listen to the video. I’m not a Hillary supporter. And I don’t know if he’s attacking Obama in a nice way. But this line of attack on him is inaccurate. He said he understands that the blogs… the blogs… are saying stuff about Obama spending time in a secular Madrassa.
This may be below the belt. I won’t judge. What I don’t understand is why the Obama folks are so sensative about bring up Obama’s muslim background regardless as whether or not Obama is a muslim. I personally think that one’s background will always contribute to who they are. I want to know about this stuff when I vote. I know he’s said it himself before, but it almost seems like now… in the final stretch of the campaign… when things get intense… they don’t want it talked about. In the end, I may support Obama, but I’m a little turned off at the sensativity towards his background. It’s almost as if his background is a bad thing. To me it seems awefully defensive.
December 17th, 2007 at 8:29 pmIf you want the real lowdown on Obama’s youth, view these photos with captions from the Chicago Tribune:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/ news/ nationworld/ 070323obama-early-photogallery,1,1054755.photogallery?coll=chi-newsnationworld-utl
I was surprised to learn that Obama’s maternal grandfather wanted a boy so badly, that he named his DAUGHTER (Obama’s mother) Stanley! I wonder if that had anything to do with her marrying a Kenyan and bearing Barack, then marrying an Indonesian and having a daughter with the 2nd husband.
December 17th, 2007 at 8:35 pmmmm….low-brow beauty shop gossip from Hendler - i knew something was missing from the thread.
December 17th, 2007 at 8:38 pmComment by thomasjaye — December 17, 2007 @ 8:29 pm
I like Obama in comparison to most of the others but today at work a coworker (a white one) said that it seemed as though Obama never talks about his white heritage. It’s a fine, fine line that people are asking Obama to walk. Don’t be too white (he’s not black enough!), too black (he doesn’t talk about being half white!), too honest (he’s talking about having taken drugs! oh my!), too exotic (he went to school where?!) etc.
But let’s fact it, if the smear and fear-meisters implant the idea that Obama is overly “sympathetic” to Muslim interests he’d be in big trouble. Obama’s team has their work cut out for them!
December 17th, 2007 at 8:40 pm#25, Tommy,
That was actually a very skilled retort - who is writing for you?
December 17th, 2007 at 8:44 pmThey do have their work cut out for them. That’s what I’m afraid of.
December 17th, 2007 at 8:44 pma couple things:
a. kerrey isn’t stupid, he’s just a little ignorant on this score. i doubt that he intended to use ‘madrassa’ in its literal arabic meaning, but he certainly didn’t mean to propagate the rumor that it was a ‘madrassa’ in its meaning as it has come to be in american media, which connotes religious teaching and study, particularly involving “students” (literally: taliban) originating in “schools” (madrasahs) near the afghan/pakistan border. whichever one’s more correct, at least he tried to disclaim the latter by calling it a secular one, however literally or functionally contradictory it was.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrasah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban
b. i totally agree that all of the democrats who want *my* vote should have gone back to washington immediately and stood with dodd. on the other hand, they’re all competing for iowa right now, which is pretty red, very religious, afraid of romney and not too hot about chris dodd. wonder if dodd was ‘elected’ to represent democrats and threaten the f-buster, so that reid could say he tried, dodd might pick up a one-point bump that wouldn’t really hurt the dems in the 3-way tie. btw: biden said he’d skip out on iowa to go vote.
December 17th, 2007 at 8:46 pmMontessori is a secular madrassa.
December 17th, 2007 at 8:47 pmWhat I don’t understand is why the Obama folks are so sensative about bring up Obama’s muslim background regardless as whether or not Obama is a muslim.
Comment by thomasjaye — December 17, 2007 @ 8:29 pm
What “Obama’s folks” are so sensitive is that Obama is NOT a muslim, and, given our current political climate, “Muslim” is a negative buzzword for the Pavlovian wingnutosphere.
It makes sense to me that someone with a greater depth of understanding of such a volatile and critical part of the world would probably not have made the mistakes that Bush has in it. But reason like that sways very few voters, who, as all campaign consultants know, are moved by emotion.
Understand now?
December 17th, 2007 at 8:47 pmIt is telling about Kerrey, that when he ran for President in 1992, few workers at his restaurants and fitness clubs received health insurance, this despite the fact that Kerrey made health care for all as one of his main campaign themes. Kerrey is a New Democrat.
The New Democrats was founded in 1997 as a congressional affiliate of the DLC.
The Senate New Democrats were founded in 2000 by Senators Evan Bayh (Indiana), John Breaux (Louisiana), John Edwards (North Carolina), Bob Graham (Florida), Bob Kerrey (Nebraska), Mary Landrieu (Louisiana), Joe Lieberman (Connecticut), Blanche Lincoln (Arkansas), and Chuck Robb (Virginia).
This info is from Wiki
This says a lot about Bob Kerrey, doesn’t it?
December 17th, 2007 at 8:52 pmoops, i think i made a mistake. the biden thing was an old story.
December 17th, 2007 at 8:54 pmyou think the words “secular madrassa” are just going to vanish like cigarette smoke? no. the t.v. and op/ed guys, they are going to say it frequently like “400 haircut”. actually, they will soon shorten it to simply “madrassa” and say it over and over and over again until every man woman and child in America will “know” that Obama “went to a madrassa.”
December 17th, 2007 at 8:54 pm“given our current political climate, “Muslim†is a negative buzzword for the Pavlovian wingnutosphere.”?
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — December 17, 2007 @ 8:47 pm
Very well put Mr. Llamita. Now I better go do something productive before your wife thinks I’m flirting with you or something! Later!
December 17th, 2007 at 8:56 pmThanks, Mary. It’ll be our secret. *wink*
December 17th, 2007 at 8:57 pm“Did Kerry have anything to say about Barak Hussein Obama’s repeated cocain use? Maybe he was just supporting the Muslim based opium trade.”
Don’t think so, because cocaine is made from coca leaves, from South America. In the ’80’s, cocaine was the CIA’s #1 source of funding, thanks to Ronald Ray-gun.
Heroin is made of opium poppies grown in Afghanistan (pause, for chilly to find his globe), and the world has more of it now than ever before thanks to the Cheerleader Prince.
Chilly, I think that if you could get some information that lines up with your boundless enthusiasm, you’d really be onto something.
December 17th, 2007 at 9:04 pmFor someone who is clearly “tripping” you don’t seem to know much about drugs.
December 17th, 2007 at 9:07 pmComment by cold_hard_left — December 17, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
Has anyone told you how much you reek of the smell of desperation?
December 17th, 2007 at 9:07 pmWell atleast he wasn’t at one of those weird montesori schools.
December 17th, 2007 at 9:10 pmYou know, I think I am starting to understand the Clinton’s concerns about Obama’s candidacy. I see nothing wrong with his past, but he has gone to such lengths to avoid talking about it, that these little things then become big things.
December 17th, 2007 at 9:15 pmIf Mr. Bush can successfully live down his checkered past, I don’t think Mr. Obama will have too tough a time. It’s not like he was drunk until he turned 40 or anything.
December 17th, 2007 at 9:17 pmI’ll leave the two of you bulbs here to try and outshine one another.
Shame ya later,
December 17th, 2007 at 9:18 pmComment by cold_hard_left — December 17, 2007 @ 9:16 pm
Easy there, I lived in a certain little town in Maine for a long time. Small Town Big Ears!
December 17th, 2007 at 9:19 pmComment by cold_hard_left — December 17, 2007 @ 9:16 pm
They tried to teach me esperanto and Chismambopor whatever that funky Korean finger counting shit was. I turned out okay. Don’t sweat it. It is no different then a Waspie little prep school educated coke fiend
December 17th, 2007 at 9:33 pmLibs are imploding!!!
December 17th, 2007 at 10:02 pmI see the trolls are out in force tonight. Could it be because of all the bad news today for the Bush team?
No FISA today, gotta give up records, more evidence of when Chimpy knew about NIE, military not discharging gays….
Go to work trolls, lots of threads of bad news for you.
December 17th, 2007 at 10:13 pm“secular madrassa”?
December 17th, 2007 at 10:43 pmNo such thing, is there?
I’ll leave the two of you bulbs here to try and outshine one another.
Shame ya later,
Comment by tombaker
ROTFL!!!
December 17th, 2007 at 11:03 pmI see nothing wrong with his past, but he has gone to such lengths to avoid talking about it, that these little things then become big things.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — December 17, 2007 @ 9:15 pm
That’s Bush you’re talking about. the inferences you sling about Obama are clearly racist and based on your envy of a man who is a man, instead of a foolish little rightard coward who hasn’t the balls to enlist and fight.
December 17th, 2007 at 11:15 pmBeing a Muslim educated coke fiend with no executive experience is hardly a little thing.
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 17, 2007 @ 10:03 pm
sounds like you’re a first-hand expert.
December 17th, 2007 at 11:59 pmthinkprogress is WRONG.
a madrassa is not necessarily “religiously based”.
there are, in fact, secular madrassas. and a madrassa is really just another name for any school in the muslim world…..
December 18th, 2007 at 1:23 amand, trust me, i’m no republican troll
December 18th, 2007 at 1:25 am.
SINCE WHEN IS MALISCIOUS SLANDER… LEGAL?
That is what the Senator has and is doing when he purposefully maligns the character of another by placing false truths into the public forum.
.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:25 ampublic schools, in the muslim world, that do not focus on religion can also also be…………wait for it…………..madrassas.
not a big deal, people……
let’s move on to another topic, and let’s stop showing our ignorance of all thinks foreign.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:57 amWhoever trusted Bob Kerry had the wool pulled WAY over their eyes. He has NEVER pretended to be anything but a centrist.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:08 am“Being a Muslim educated coke fiend is hardly a little thing.”
Huh? Lay off the shrooms, dude.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:08 amYou are right darla. However, why would Kerrey even mention that word? The fact is it is loaded and Kerrey brought it up. The guy is no better than Lieberman.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:10 amhere, from wikipedia:
Madrasah (Arabic: مدرسة, madrasa pl. madÄris) is the Arabic word for any type of school, secular or religious (of any religion). It has been loaned into various other languages. It is variously transliterated as madrasah, madarasaa, medresa, madrassa, etc. In common English usage the word “madrasah” has been taken to refer to an Islamic religious school.[1]
note the last sentence. therein lies the ignorance……”has been taken to refer”. nevermind the actual meaning.
madrassa = school
period.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:11 amsabyen,
who cares? both sides (think progress AND kerrey) are simply WRONG.
it’s very simple, really.
madrassa = school
there is no other meaning.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:12 amactually, i take that back. the right wingers were FAR MORE wrong than, say, cnn or thinkprogress.
but kerrey is actually somewhat correct in that obama did indeed attend a “secular” school, and not a religious one.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:13 am“but kerrey is actually somewhat correct in that obama did indeed attend a “secular†school, and not a religious one.”
Do you have ANY idea how the right wing echo chamber works? Kerrey gave them plenty of ammo and he KNOWS it.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:19 amKerrey is a Liebermanite, he always has been.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:19 amwas senator kerrey supposed to deny that obama ever attended a school in indonesia, in order to avoid getting sucked into the so-called ‘right wing’ echo chamber?
as you’ve pointed out, cnn did a report from the actual school. if kerrey, or obama, were to deny this fact, there would be bigger problems.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:28 amThis is yet another feeble attempt by Mrs. Clinton, via surrogates, to play KKKarl Rove games with the voters before the primaries.
December 18th, 2007 at 6:44 amFor someone claiming to be strong enough to run this country on her won, she is certainly falling back on alot of big strong men these days.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let us shake out his chaff in the 4 early states, people. I am so sick of Mrs. Clinton I can’t even stand it, and I’m not sure if you can tell, but I am among the 50% of Democratic voters who WILL NEVER VOTE FOR HER.
Comment 24 by Jason Himler, the Nazi, Skinhead, Republican. Only ignorant a holes like you decide on race. Fools like you sit around a hate people because of race, but forget the thousands of black, white, hispanic, and other solider are protecting you dumb azz right now as we speak. Look fool if those black, and hispanic soldiers weren’t there, you’d have to be there. But you can’t do that because you are a flag waving coward.
December 18th, 2007 at 9:04 amso what? I was made to go to Catholic school as a kid… does that mean I’m now a pedophile?
December 18th, 2007 at 9:06 amWrong, TP. “Madrassah” is the Arabic word for school, regardless of its religious leanings. I speak some Arabic. The fact that Americans believe it has to do with religion is because the overwhelming majority of schools in Islamic nations teach nothing but the Quran.
Obama went to a SECULAR MADRASSA, and he has my vote. Fact checking past a 5 word definition on dictionary.com is something you might want to have your interns look into.
December 18th, 2007 at 9:11 amHere’s the thing about the word “madrasah”.
In Arabic language countries it means “school” of any sort.
In non-Arabic language countries, including in South Asia and East Asia and in Africa, it is only used for Islamic schools (the word “school” having its own equivalent in the local language).
This would be one source of confusion about whether it means something inherently Islamic.
“Secular madrasah” still seems a contradiction in terms.
December 18th, 2007 at 9:25 amI see nothing wrong with his past, but he has gone to such lengths to avoid talking about it, that these little things then become big things.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — December 17, 2007 @ 9:15 pm
There is a big difference between wanting to hide one’s past (like Bush did with his substance abuse and his National Guard drill attendance) and wanted to stay focused on one’s message and not get sucked into an exchange about other matters (which is what Obama’s opponents want).
Obama has been honest about his past, his education, his youthful drug use, etc. (unlike Bush, when he was running in 2000). I don’t blame the man for preferring to focus on what work needs to be done in this country and what he would do as president.
December 18th, 2007 at 9:27 amObama has written two books wherein he wrote of his early life, his parents and grandparents, his drug use in high school; he left nothing out. That apparently isn’t good enough for the republiscum and trolls here — they blame him for having a muslim middle name (which they must believe he selected in utero) — they ignore that his father was Kenyan where islam is the typical religion and Hussein a common name.
December 18th, 2007 at 9:53 amObama has not gone to any lengths to avoid talking about his past - he has in fact gone to great lengths to bring his early mistakes out in the open and use it as a teaching tool when speaking to teenagers today.
When Obama went to school in Indonesia, the school was not a madrassa - it was a public school, as confirmed by the CNN investigation.
The scum choose not to focus on the inner city work and outreach groups associated with Obama - they would rather spread unfounded rumors.
They would rather ignore the lies of George W. Bush concerning his drug use, and his abandonment of his air force duty, his reply to questions about his own drug use was that he was young and irresponsible; they prefer to believe his lies, make excuses for the dirty facts in his life, and spread rumors about Obama.
Anyone can spread rumors. Say, I heard a rumor that W had arranged an abortion for his old girlfriend; I heard that he is on video performing a homosexual act. I heard that he is still drinking and snorting.
Wow. These peoples’ asses must be really, really sore from all the so-called “facts” they’re pulling out of them…!
December 18th, 2007 at 10:29 am#74, missmolly,
I don’t doubt Obama’s trying to stay on message, as any candidate would, but if he doesn’t come out and speak about it, just as Mitt did about his Mormonism, then the Clintons are (sadly) correct, and Obama is open to a hard hit in the future.
Question is, why are the Clintons so bad at exploiting that weakness. My guess is, that they are used to setting up the kill, and letting the MSM finish off an opponent. Now that they have to pull the trigger themselves, they are shockingly hesitant, which makes them look weak and inept.
December 18th, 2007 at 10:44 amJason Hendler is an idiot who is only on this site to spread the negative republican message of fear, hate, dishonesty, and division. If republicans didn’t have fear and hate to sell, they’d have no message at all. They can tell you what they hate, but can’t tell you what they are for. Think about it, they are anti abortion, anti imigrant, anti gay, anti black, anti freedom of speak, anti this and anti that. Not one of them can say they are truly for something other and war, guns and spying on the American people. For a party that is so narrow minded, I’m surprised that people can’t see them for what they are. A bunch of control freaks who want to tell us what to do and think. Jason my friend you and your party would have fit right in, in Nazi Germany.
December 18th, 2007 at 11:11 amComment by The Shadow — December 18, 2007 @ 11:11 am
Now be fair. They’re actually for nailing up the Ten Commandments every place they can. So much easier than actually learning the Ten Commandments and following them.
December 18th, 2007 at 11:31 am24 - Hey, Jason - so what? Gee Dubya Bush’s grandpappy was a real, live Nazi.
That didn’t stop *Dubbie* from stealing the presidency, eh?
December 18th, 2007 at 3:24 pmComment by cold_hard_left — December 17, 2007 @ 10:03 pm
CHL - let me fix your statement for you:
Being a UNeducated coke fiend and dry drunk with no executive experience is hardly a little thing.
Yeah, see? We agree on GWB.
December 18th, 2007 at 3:27 pmI don’t hear anyone complaining about Kerrey’s words preceding everything else he said:
“It’s probably not something that appeals to him, but I like the fact that his name is Barack Hussein Obama, and that his father was a Muslim and that his paternal grandmother is a Muslim.”
I’d like to know when Obama ever said his background didn’t “appeal to him.”
For the record, I agree with Kerrey. I think Obama’s family’s Muslim background could be a huge asset in America’s dealings with the Middle East. I, however, am being sincere when I say this.
December 18th, 2007 at 4:25 pmAmazing….Podesta is now using the ThinkProgress pulpit to repeat the classless and desperate bullshit the Clinton campaign is spewing. It was only a matter of time.
Obama clearly has what Hillary doesn’t: conviction, judgement and the ability to bring the country together at a time of a great need. In other words, leadership.
December 18th, 2007 at 10:07 pmis thinkprogress going to issue a correction, or not?
if not, all i have to say is: thinkprogress is clearly a propaganda outlet.
remember joe klein!
December 19th, 2007 at 1:59 amObama has been set up by the poll in Iowa, showing him leading by 7 points. If Hillary pulls out the W in Iowa, Obama’s campaign for POTUS is over.
January 2nd, 2008 at 12:40 pm