Comments on: Reid wants full Senate to see wiretapping docs. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:05:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-4195972 Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:51:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/#comment-4195972 I wonder if Mr. "conservative and proud" can explain why the Bush administration was looking into spying on Americans' phone calls barely two weeks into their first term. I wonder if Mr. “conservative and proud” can explain why the Bush administration was looking into spying on Americans’ phone calls barely two weeks into their first term.

]]> By: judyinnm http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-4195963 judyinnm Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:46:15 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/#comment-4195963 The Fourth Amendment doesn't include any exceptions to the need to show "probable cause" and warrants to justify removing the people's right to be "secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and siezures". Unless the executive branch is sitting on documentation that proves this particular amendment was lawfully repealed, by a vote of 2/3 of the Congress & ratified by 3/4 of the States, there can't be anything justifying spying on the American people without complying with that particular provision. What possible "Probable Cause" could they possible have to suspect every American citizen of being a threat to national security? It should be imperative that the evidence be shown, and warrants issued - not circumvented... The Fourth Amendment doesn’t include any exceptions to the need to show “probable cause” and warrants to justify removing the people’s right to be “secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and siezures”. Unless the executive branch is sitting on documentation that proves this particular amendment was lawfully repealed, by a vote of 2/3 of the Congress & ratified by 3/4 of the States, there can’t be anything justifying spying on the American people without complying with that particular provision.

What possible “Probable Cause” could they possible have to suspect every American citizen of being a threat to national security? It should be imperative that the evidence be shown, and warrants issued – not circumvented…

]]> By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-4195945 Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:37:51 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/#comment-4195945 Marcus Arelius: "At this point, a vote for the Dems is a vote for the Republicans - they have the same agenda." Nonsense. Repubs and Dems are at odds on healthcare, tax policy, the war in Iraq, the environment and a host of other issues. In addition, a majority of Dems want to re-evaluate the various "free-trade" initiatives whereas only one or two Repubs are in favor of that. Could your analysis be any more simple minded? Marcus Arelius: “At this point, a vote for the Dems is a vote for the Republicans – they have the same agenda.”

Nonsense. Repubs and Dems are at odds on healthcare, tax policy, the war in Iraq, the environment and a host of other issues. In addition, a majority of Dems want to re-evaluate the various “free-trade” initiatives whereas only one or two Repubs are in favor of that. Could your analysis be any more simple minded?

]]> By: Wayne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-4195886 Wayne Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:09:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/#comment-4195886 I never trust a letter that starts with the words: “As you know…” Comment by cold_hard_left — December 17, 2007 @ 3:35 pm And I never trust a post from an idiot whose moniker is cold_hard_left. Did you actually have a point? I never trust a letter that starts with the words: “As you know…”

Comment by cold_hard_left — December 17, 2007 @ 3:35 pm

And I never trust a post from an idiot whose moniker is cold_hard_left.

Did you actually have a point?

]]> By: Wayne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-4195878 Wayne Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:06:10 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/#comment-4195878 Billy Hill is hitting on the crack pipe again. Billy Hill is hitting on the crack pipe again.

]]> By: Wayne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-4195858 Wayne Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:57:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/#comment-4195858 Reid is dork. He tries to do the right thing, but in the end, just a dork. Comment by ForTruth — December 17, 2007 @ 4:54 pm Violating Senate rules to ignore the hold Dodd placed on the FISA Bill is not the "right thing" in any definition. He phucked a member of his own party in the a$$ on this one. Nothing right about that at all.... Reid is dork. He tries to do the right thing, but in the end, just a dork.

Comment by ForTruth — December 17, 2007 @ 4:54 pm

Violating Senate rules to ignore the hold Dodd placed on the FISA Bill is not the “right thing” in any definition. He phucked a member of his own party in the a$$ on this one.
Nothing right about that at all….

]]> By: ForTruth http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-4195855 ForTruth Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:54:51 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/#comment-4195855 Reid is dork. He tries to do the right thing, but in the end, just a dork. Reid is dork. He tries to do the right thing, but in the end, just a dork.

]]> By: Wayne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-4195849 Wayne Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:49:19 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/#comment-4195849 Plus 4 years of a feckless Republican-wannabee Dem Congress. Comment by Marcus Aurelius — December 17, 2007 @ 3:44 pm umm.... november 2006 was 4 years ago? strange calendar you use.... Plus 4 years of a feckless Republican-wannabee Dem Congress.

Comment by Marcus Aurelius — December 17, 2007 @ 3:44 pm

umm…. november 2006 was 4 years ago?
strange calendar you use….

]]> By: zathrus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-4195831 zathrus Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:35:19 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/#comment-4195831 As I listen to senators vociferously argue that the cooperation (collusion) of Telecom companies is necessary for the US government to gather intelligence, I can not help but wonder if they feel these companies should also cooperate with other sovereign governments (Iran, Venezuala, Russia, etc.) in their intelligence gathering efforts... As I listen to senators vociferously argue that the cooperation (collusion) of Telecom companies is necessary for the US government to gather intelligence, I can not help but wonder if they feel these companies should also cooperate with other sovereign governments (Iran, Venezuala, Russia, etc.) in their intelligence gathering efforts…

]]> By: Shayne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-4195799 Shayne Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:11:04 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/#comment-4195799 Your parents must be very proud. Comment by Conservative and proud — December 17, 2007 @ 4:09 pm Then again he's not the one proud to have shit for brains, that would be you. Your parents must be very proud.

Comment by Conservative and proud — December 17, 2007 @ 4:09 pm

Then again he’s not the one proud to have shit for brains, that would be you.

]]> By: Conservative and proud http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-4195795 Conservative and proud Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:09:00 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/#comment-4195795 for #55....... Your parents must be very proud. for #55…….

Your parents must be very proud.

]]> By: Shayne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-4195789 Shayne Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:06:04 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/#comment-4195789 Here it is Conpro, nobody is impeaching Bush or starting any other legal action against him because they don't want Cheney, heaven forbid, or any other rethug pardoning him. We can just wait until you guys are out of the White House to start the trials for treason, war crimes and all the other offenses committed. Don't you worry your pretty little head about it. And if you want to climb out on that ledge, we won't stop you. Here it is Conpro, nobody is impeaching Bush or starting any other legal action against him because they don’t want Cheney, heaven forbid, or any other rethug pardoning him. We can just wait until you guys are out of the White House to start the trials for treason, war crimes and all the other offenses committed. Don’t you worry your pretty little head about it. And if you want to climb out on that ledge, we won’t stop you.

]]> By: Conservative and proud http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-4195780 Conservative and proud Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:01:42 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/#comment-4195780 Last post guys....... Couple of things....... 1) Come off the ledge, you guys are really, really scary 2) you will be rid of Bush in Jan 2009, no earlier. Nobody is impeaching Bush with 13 months left to his term. You missed your chance. 3) You rail against the Dems you put in power. Why don't they do your bidding? There is one answer. They can't. They don't have the votes. You scary people are a minority even in your own party. They'll take your money but they won't listen to you. You have nowhere to go and they now it. Thank-you for your kindness. Last post guys…….

Couple of things…….
1) Come off the ledge, you guys are really, really scary
2) you will be rid of Bush in Jan 2009, no earlier. Nobody is impeaching Bush with 13 months left to his term. You missed your chance.
3) You rail against the Dems you put in power. Why don’t they do your bidding? There is one answer. They can’t. They don’t have the votes.
You scary people are a minority even in your own party. They’ll take your money but they won’t listen to you. You have nowhere to go and they now it. Thank-you for your kindness.

]]> By: Shayne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-4195774 Shayne Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:59:27 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/#comment-4195774 Conservative and proud doesn't worry about "rights" because he believes he is one of the Reich that will be in control when rights are taken away from the little people. Isn't that right brown shirt? Conservative and proud doesn’t worry about “rights” because he believes he is one of the Reich that will be in control when rights are taken away from the little people. Isn’t that right brown shirt?

]]> By: Mr.Bungle http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-4195770 Mr.Bungle Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:56:32 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/#comment-4195770 Conservative and proud, "Can any of you scary people imagine a little NEOCON sitting in some basement office with no windows, ear phones attached to his head and his little copmposition writing book, #2 pencil and eraser writing yours and mine inane comments? How silly guys! Why in the world would the government or anyone for that matter care to monitior the drivel that is produced at this web site? To what end?" I'll re-write this so that maybe you get the point. Can any of you scary people imagine a couple thieves breaking into some hotel room which so happened to be the campaign headquarters of the opposition party? Why do that when you could just use your top secret wiretapping program to do it? How silly guys! We aren't worried necessarily about ourselves being wiretapped. It's the abuses of power like this which are scary. Rights aren't taken away overnight. They are slowly eroded. Conservative and proud,

“Can any of you scary people imagine a little NEOCON sitting in some basement office with no windows, ear phones attached to his head and his little copmposition writing book, #2 pencil and eraser writing yours and mine inane comments? How silly guys! Why in the world would the government or anyone for that matter care to monitior the drivel that is produced at this web site? To what end?”

I’ll re-write this so that maybe you get the point.

Can any of you scary people imagine a couple thieves breaking into some hotel room which so happened to be the campaign headquarters of the opposition party? Why do that when you could just use your top secret wiretapping program to do it? How silly guys!

We aren’t worried necessarily about ourselves being wiretapped. It’s the abuses of power like this which are scary. Rights aren’t taken away overnight. They are slowly eroded.

]]> By: Shayne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/comment-page-1/#comment-4195767 Shayne Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:55:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/#comment-4195767 Comment by Conservative and proud — December 17, 2007 @ 3:36 pm Thats why I email myself a copy of the Constitution, in the hope that they read it and see what the phuck it actually says….. Comment by Wayne — December 17, 2007 @ 3:48 pm Conservative and Proud (poor bastard) wouldn't understand the Constitution if he tried to read it. That's why his ilk thinks "it's just a piece of paper." Comment by Conservative and proud — December 17, 2007 @ 3:36 pm

Thats why I email myself a copy of the Constitution, in the hope that they read it and see what the phuck it actually says…..

Comment by Wayne — December 17, 2007 @ 3:48 pm

Conservative and Proud (poor bastard) wouldn’t understand the Constitution if he tried to read it. That’s why his ilk thinks “it’s just a piece of paper.”

]]> By: patooty http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/comment-page-1/#comment-4195766 patooty Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:55:03 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/#comment-4195766 Indeed, Shayne! The pure drivel and blustering bull$hit spews forth from the mouths of herr trolls. Indeed, Shayne! The pure drivel and blustering bull$hit spews forth from the mouths of herr trolls.

]]> By: Shayne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/comment-page-1/#comment-4195763 Shayne Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:53:32 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/#comment-4195763 Why in the world would the government or anyone for that matter care to monitior the drivel that is produced at this web site? To what end? Comment by Conservative and proud — December 17, 2007 @ 3:47 pm You mean "drivel" like your post? Why in the world would the government or anyone for that matter care to monitior the drivel that is produced at this web site? To what end?

Comment by Conservative and proud — December 17, 2007 @ 3:47 pm

You mean “drivel” like your post?

]]> By: Shayne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/comment-page-1/#comment-4195762 Shayne Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:52:15 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/#comment-4195762 Comment by Conservative and proud — December 17, 2007 @ 3:36 pm This is kind of like saying you're proud of crapping your pants, isn't it? Comment by Conservative and proud — December 17, 2007 @ 3:36 pm

This is kind of like saying you’re proud of crapping your pants, isn’t it?

]]> By: patooty http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/comment-page-1/#comment-4195760 patooty Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:50:11 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/17/reid-wants-full-senate-to-see-wiretapping-docs/#comment-4195760 Zimzone: I'm sure someone is keeping track of the Bush lies for the impeachment movement directed against him once the Cheney impeachment reveals events that were co-conspired. Does anyone here have the updated list of "Bush Lies" by any chance? Zimzone: I’m sure someone is keeping track of the Bush lies for the impeachment movement directed against him once the Cheney impeachment reveals events that were co-conspired. Does anyone here have the updated list of “Bush Lies” by any chance?

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