Bush: Iraq doesn’t have nukes…obviously. (Laughter)
Bush: Iraq doesn’t have nukes…obviously. (Laughter)
Yesterday at a speech in Virginia, President Bush was forced to correct his own misinformation campaign when a questioner mistakenly said that Iraq currently has nuclear weapons:
Q But I’m concerned about the nations like Iraq, who now have nuclear weapons –
THE PRESIDENT: Iran.
Q Iran and Iraq both.
THE PRESIDENT: Not Iraq. (Laughter.)
Watch it:
Commenting on the exchange, MSNBC’s anchors called it a “light moment” because there’s “nothing like being corrected by the President of the United States.” Bush, however, was the one who needed the correction. The most recent NIE found that Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003. As late as April 2006, Bush himself still believed Saddam had WMD.
UPDATE: Mike Link points out the last time Bush joked about the missing WMD, in 2004.
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Gee, Bush is stupid, Who would have imagined?
December 18th, 2007 at 12:44 pmWow. Who was stupid enough to be “corrected” by President Bush?
Of course, the President’s “correction” was wrong, too, but we expect that.
December 18th, 2007 at 12:44 pmWhat IDIOT asked this question???
Is Jeff Gannon back?
December 18th, 2007 at 12:46 pmThis must have been another presser in front of phony “journalists”. A Republican’s favorite kind of press conference.
December 18th, 2007 at 12:48 pmI guess that now its becoming common practice to have ‘plants’ in news conferences to make sure that the proper message is disseminated….
This guy, obviously, came from the c-list of available shills….
December 18th, 2007 at 12:49 pmHar-dee-har-har-har.
Yer a real funny man, Chimpy.
NOT.
December 18th, 2007 at 12:49 pmWill we be laughing about Iran not having nukes, 5 years after flattening several of their cities?
December 18th, 2007 at 12:49 pmWill we be laughing about Iran not having nukes, 5 years after flattening several of their cities?
Comment by Carlos — December 18, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
only the immoral republiscum will be.
December 18th, 2007 at 12:51 pmWhat a Zero.
period.
December 18th, 2007 at 12:52 pmI’m guessing the question was posed by a recent FEMA employee.
December 18th, 2007 at 12:54 pmBig issue brought up by Rush Limbaugh, and was supported by the women on the View:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_121707/content/01125114.guest.html
Pop culture doesn’t tolerate the sight of an aging woman — check it out!
December 18th, 2007 at 12:54 pmAstonishing they could find this funny, after BruschCo has managed to get so many people killed over there, and perhaps millions more to come.
Hardi-har-har!!!
Some of you are probably right… good chance the person who said that was a stooge planted, just so Georgie could make his clever reply AND sell his message at the same time.
December 18th, 2007 at 12:54 pmlight moment?
LIGHT MOMENT?????
How about calling it what it really is:
DUMBFU(K moment.
December 18th, 2007 at 12:54 pmComment by Jason M. Hendler — December 18, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
Can anyone possible get the concept of “staying on-topic” across to this breath-taking idiot?
December 18th, 2007 at 12:55 pmthe terrorists start carving out the hearts of our cities with nukes.
more urine stains for mommy to get out.
December 18th, 2007 at 12:55 pmBig issue brought up by Rush Limbaugh, and was supported by the women on the View:
Pop culture doesn’t tolerate the sight of an aging woman — check it out!
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Wrong thread MORON.
December 18th, 2007 at 12:55 pmthe terrorists start carving out the hearts of our cities with nukes.
Comment by Frank M — December 18, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
You SHOULD be ashamed of yourself, but clearly you have no morals or conscience.
December 18th, 2007 at 12:55 pmI’m not angry at the President for this one. Whatever news outlet has someone that uninformed on their FRIGGIN’ White House beat should be embarrassed. They should be embarrassed–but they are probably complicit. The white house press corps is supposed to be the pinnacle of the profession in this country, and now it is stocked to the gills with hacks, toadies and bootlickers.
December 18th, 2007 at 12:56 pmgod bush looks REEEAAALLLLY uncomfortable without his close circle of criminals around him.
December 18th, 2007 at 12:56 pmSounds like another planted “journalist” to help prop up reich-wing propaganda.
December 18th, 2007 at 12:57 pmIraq would have had nukes if Israel had not preemptively destroyed their nuclear facilities back in the 1980’s.
And Iran’s nuclear weapons program only ended (if it truly has) because of the US invasion of Iraq.
Same goes for Libya
December 18th, 2007 at 12:58 pmTHE PRESIDENT: Not Iraq. (Laughter.) i sent 4000 of our troops to their death proving that point (Laughter.)
what a card!
December 18th, 2007 at 12:59 pm#7: I don’t think you’ll be laughing when the dems have finally managed to tie our hands in the war on terror and the terrorists start carving out the hearts of our cities with nukes.
Comment by Frank M — December 18, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
hahhaha. if that happens, it will be another Bushco success story, like 9/11. republiscum are incapable of defending the USA, proven for all of history.
December 18th, 2007 at 12:59 pmJason, your assignment in to write 500 times on the blackboard
“I will stay on topic”
Then put on your dunce cap and sit in the back corner of the room.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:00 pmIf only Bush would have told the truth about Iraq
December 18th, 2007 at 1:00 pmbefore he lied and illegally invaded it. Now Iran
is laughing as is the rest of the Middle East. The
only Nukes out there were given by the Bush
Administration. Israel has the Nukes the US
gave them and so does India and Pakistan.
#7: I don’t think you’ll be laughing when the dems have finally managed to tie our hands in the war on terror and the terrorists start carving out the hearts of our cities with nukes.
Comment by Frank M — December 18, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
Remember the good old days when it was the Soviets that were going to carve out the hearts of our cities with nukes? New enemy, same old argument. And the same result–lots of cash for the military and its contractors.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:01 pmAs a leftist, I want the hands of commanders tied. I want the terrorists to be Free Willies.
Comment by Lefftenant — December 18, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
Hmmm…. sounds an awful lot like our favorite meth-addict hillbilly… it’s just about on the same intellectual level too…
Draw your own conclusions.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:01 pmAnd Iran’s nuclear weapons program only ended (if it truly has) because of the US invasion of Iraq.
Comment by Charles James Napier — December 18, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
Sorry, but you need to prove that.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:01 pmIraq would have had nukes if Israel had not preemptively destroyed their nuclear facilities back in the 1980’s.
And Iran’s nuclear weapons program only ended (if it truly has) because of the US invasion of Iraq.
Same goes for Libya
Comment by Charles James Napier — December 18, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
and so what? only the USA has used WMD to the extent of vaporizing thousands of innocents; everrybody should have them to defend against whackos like Bush and his Israeli neocon scum.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:01 pmLefftenant = Mr Pee. Alert the admins. Report Abuse.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:01 pmLUKOIL resumes its operations in an Iranian oil field in defiance of the US attempts to prevent foreign firms’ activities in the country.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:01 pmDraw your own conclusions.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — December 18, 2007 @ 1:01 pm
The post above pretty much confirms that.
Let the flagging begin!
December 18th, 2007 at 1:02 pmI don’t think you’ll be laughing when the dems have finally managed to tie our hands in the war on terror and the terrorists start carving out the hearts of our cities with nukes.
Comment by Frank M
Your mom’s laundry bill must be HUGE! For all the bedwetting, peeing on yourself, and not being able to keep down solid food, it must cost her a fortune to make sure your school clothes are fresh and clean.
It’s just too bad she doesn’t realize that with every sunrise, laundry must be done once again. It is a viscious cycle, no?
December 18th, 2007 at 1:02 pmRussia Makes First Nuclear Fuel Shipment to Iran
IRANS BUSHER HAS URANIUM ARRIVAL
December 18th, 2007 at 1:03 pmIraq would have had nukes if Israel had not preemptively destroyed their nuclear facilities back in the 1980’s.
And Iran’s nuclear weapons program only ended (if it truly has) because of the US invasion of Iraq.
Same goes for Libya
Comment by Charles James Napier — December 18, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
Point one: so we invaded Iraq because of what WOULD HAVE HAPPENED if Israel hadn’t bombed them twenty years ago? Is that what you’re saying?
The rest of your post is patently absurd. But enormously entertaining.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:03 pmAs a rightist, I want the president to fire all the experienced commanders of the armed forces that disagree with him, and put in their places the suckups and asskissers like Betrayus, who will go against their own writings to curry favor with the Moron-In-Chief, a deserter in wartime.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:03 pmBush: Iraq doesn’t have nukes…obviously. (Laughter)
AND HOWS ABOUT A SORRY FOR 1.3 MILLION IRAQ DEAD
December 18th, 2007 at 1:04 pmThe rest of your post is patently absurd. But enormously entertaining.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama
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It’s true, and you know it’s true.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:06 pmIraq cannot gain full sovereignty under Chapter 7 status when the UN Security Council issued Resolution 661 following Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Al-Maliki said the lifting of Chapter 7 status will enable Iraq to “end the presence†of multinational forces by the end of 2008.
Resolution 661
Says Chapter 7 will be removed when Iraq is no longer a threat to its neighbours
TURKEY IS STOPPING THIS HAPPENING – TURKEY IS WORKING FOR THE US TO STOP IRAQ GAINING FULL SOVEREIGNTY , WHICH MEANS IRAQ HAS TO RENEW THE UN MANDATE FOR FOREIGN TROOPS
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2007/12/2C4F103F-5B73-4926-827D-1A6701C35B26.html
December 18th, 2007 at 1:06 pmRUCerious, that was the first thing I thought when I saw the scat posted by Leftnut, Mr. P’s back. Further proof @ 1:00.
Are high schools out for Xmas break and Mr. P figured out the password on Mom’s computer?
December 18th, 2007 at 1:07 pmYes, Chuckles. I know it’s true that your post is absurd and enormously entertaining in its absurdity. Keep up the good work.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:07 pmAnd Iran’s nuclear weapons program only ended (if it truly has) because of the US invasion of Iraq.
Same goes for Libya
Comment by Charles James Napier
Sir, you usually are a pretty good blogger, albeit from “the other side” – But you are dead wrong here. The NIE stated iran stopped for many reasons – none of which involved our unwise and untidy invasion of Iraq.
The diplomacy with Libya has been going on for almost ten years. You know the word DIPLOMACY right? It can work and it has worked.
Please try harder when you visit TP. Unlike the zombies at redstate, we have pretty good memories.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:09 pmWeapons expert Blix backs launch of nuclear fuel supplies to Iran
Top weapons inspector Hans Blix hailed on Tuesday the start of Russian nuclear fuel supplies to Iran as a positive step in resolving the dispute over Tehran’s nuclear program.
China and Russia are the new America
America has lost its chance of
1/ any Oil from Iran
2/ any friendship from Iran
because of Bush
December 18th, 2007 at 1:09 pmIt’s true, and you know it’s true.
Comment by Charles James Napier — December 18, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
This is what passes for proof in trolldumb.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:09 pmLibya is going to be getting Nuclear power from France anyway
December 18th, 2007 at 1:10 pmPop culture doesn’t tolerate the sight of an aging woman — check it out!
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — December 18, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
Frank M, are you going to let Jason get away with saying this about you?
December 18th, 2007 at 1:11 pmYou idiots!! Russia just shipped uranium to Iran for its nuclear program.
There is no doubt that Iran has a nuclear program!!!
The only issue is whether it’s for “peaceful purposes,” or to (paraphrasing the Iran president), “to wipe Israel off the map.”
December 18th, 2007 at 1:12 pm#36: You’re a sad, delusional individual. Go live out your scat fantasies somewhere else.
Comment by Frank M
Hmmmm, I must have struck a nerve, huh? You cannot live your life in constant fear. It is not healthy, and it is not helpful. Please start showing a little courage. If your kids see you cowering all the time, they will wonder why you are not a braver individual.
America needs brave patriots right now – not crybabies. Please try.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:12 pmThis is what passes for proof in trolldumb.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — December 18, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
Now give them a break, they probably hear it as “poof”, you know that sound that magical logic makes.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:13 pmCharles and Frank have conveniently forgotten most of the history of the West’s involvements in the Arab world, hence their exceedingly odd interpretation of events there now.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:13 pmPop culture doesn’t tolerate the sight of an aging woman — check it out!
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — December 18, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
Jason, you’ve been here long enough to know that the “open thread” for off-topic stuff like this is the ThinkFast thread. Go post this there.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:14 pmCan Frankie really be that big of a chicken $hit? Or is he just trying to justify the crimes of the cheerleader and his administration?
December 18th, 2007 at 1:14 pmI don’t think you’ll be laughing when the dems have finally managed to tie our hands in the war on terror and the terrorists start carving out the hearts of our cities with nukes.
Comment by Frank M
Then maybe we should tighten up the borders so those nukes cant be brought into the US.
Oh wait, we can’t do that, we have a President who favors an “open border” policy!
LOL!
IDIOT!!!
December 18th, 2007 at 1:14 pmI don’t think you’ll be laughing when the dems have finally managed to tie our hands in the war on terror and the terrorists start carving out the hearts of our cities with nukes.
Comment by Frank M — December 18, 2007 @ 12:54
Yeah we know Chicken Little, the sky is falling.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:14 pmThe only issue is whether it’s for “peaceful purposes,†or to (paraphrasing the Iran president), “to wipe Israel off the map.â€
Comment by JT — December 18, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
nice, paraphrasing=lying in your little, pee-stained world.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:14 pmCan Frankie really be that big of a chicken $hit? Or is he just trying to justify the crimes of the cheerleader and his administration?
Comment by jb — December 18, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
yes.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:15 pmI don’t think you’ll be laughing when the dems have finally managed to tie our hands in the war on terror and the terrorists start carving out the hearts of our cities with nukes.
Comment by Frank M
Yeah, it would be so wise for any Islamic group to nuke a US city.
I mean, it’s not like the US would level every Arab country in retaliation or anything like that.
IDIOT!!!
December 18th, 2007 at 1:15 pmOnly the Media under this Most Corrupt Administration in the history of the US could find nuclear weapons, “the lighter side of the news”.
This country is been taken over by over paid pundits : Beck, O’Reilly etc. Gone are the days of the Intrepid reporter willing to risk their reputation for a story. This curennt ‘bought and sold’ Media should be ashamed of themselves. They bought into this very much hyped “war on terror”
According to Naomi Wolf :
Over time in closing societies, real news is supplanted by fake news and false documents. Pinochet showed Chilean citizens falsified documents to back up his claim that terrorists had been about to attack the nation. The yellowcake charge, too, was based on forged papers.
You won’t have a shutdown of news in modern America – it is not possible. But you can have, as Frank Rich and Sidney Blumenthal have pointed out, a steady stream of lies polluting the news well. What you already have is a White House directing a stream of false information that is so relentless that it is increasingly hard to sort out truth from untruth. In a fascist system, it’s not the lies that count but the muddying. When citizens can’t tell real news from fake, they give up their demands for accountability bit by bit
December 18th, 2007 at 1:15 pm#57: So, you’re really willing to take that risk and be soft on terror?
Comment by Frank M — December 18, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
hey, you elected the world’s biggest terrorist. thanks for 9/11.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:16 pmAs a leftist, I want the hands of commanders tied. I want the terrorists to be Free Willies.
Comment by Lefftenant — December 18, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
You are way too dumb to be a leftist. Shouldn’t you be studying up for your GED?
December 18th, 2007 at 1:16 pm“I don’t think you’ll be laughing when the dems have finally managed to tie our hands…Frank M”
Why do you want to be tied up by democrats? Is this some more kinky republican sex game? Is the safe word “islamofacist”?
December 18th, 2007 at 1:17 pmCan Frankie really be that big of a chicken $hit? Or is he just trying to justify the crimes of the cheerleader and his administration?
Comment by jb — December 18, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
Oh, if his posts are any indication, he really CAN be that big a chickensh!t.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:17 pm3895 (Laughter)
December 18th, 2007 at 1:17 pmYes Frankie I blame you, the victim of your own ignorance.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:18 pmfrank m, Bush has weakened our military severely. We have never been in as much danger as we are now, even you admit that. this is because of Bush terrorism, Bush incompetence and Bush treason. thanks for 9/11.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:19 pmFor TP to assert that Iran has stopped its nuclear program to “create” this blog post is very irresponsible.
In fact, Iran has a nuclear program:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7147463.stm
So, will they use it for peaceful purposes or to destroy their enemies as they so eloquently have stated in the past?…
December 18th, 2007 at 1:19 pmComment by StratRat,l
Iran and Libya both ended their nuclear weapons programs within months of the US invasion of of Iraq and the toppling of the Saddam regime. Remember Iran and Iraq fought a 9 year war to a stalemate during the 1980s, killing well over a million people. Then along comes the USA and Saddam is toppled in a few weeks. If you don’t think that had a profoud effect on their decision to put their nuclear weapons program on hold then you are living in a dream world.
Of course Iran isn’t so scared of us anymore thanks to the efforts of the Democrats, so I’m sure their nuclear weapons program will be up and running again soon enough.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:19 pmFrom the Q&A following yesterdays speech in VA:
(I will skip the rest of this part of the answer, since we have all heard it before.)
Let’s see, “It’s your government that is isolating you from the world. It’s the decisions that your government has made that is making it more difficult for you to put food on the table, making it more difficult for your family to realize their dreams.” Sounds familiar?
December 18th, 2007 at 1:20 pmAs a leftist, my “human rights†stance is oh-so consistent. That’s why I support I hate waterboarding on non-white “terrorists†(terrorists..yeah right!) and support prison rape within the U.S. system.
“Come here my wittle baby, did they accuse you of terrorism. Poor wittle. I’ll defend you no matter what they have on you.â€
-Conversation between a pinko leftist and a random AQ member
Comment by Lefftenant
Yeah, a conversation that only happened in your own mind.
LOL!
IDIOT!!!
December 18th, 2007 at 1:20 pm“come here, brown person, I will torture and kill you no matter how little evidence I have of any crimes.”–
December 18th, 2007 at 1:20 pmright-wing pissy-pants cowards who haven’t enlisted, but troll on patriotic sites.
It’s true, and you know it’s true.
Comment by Charles James Napier — December 18, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
And this is how you provide proof? Are you 11 years old or something?
December 18th, 2007 at 1:21 pmHa Ha
Very funny, Mr. President.
You’re such a hoot!
Hey, I’ve got an idea, why don’t you authorize another 600,000 innocent lives lost, as well as another 3500 of our brave men and women?
Hee Hee. Playing war monger is such fun work, eh Mr. Prez?
JMH, you’re a twit. A virginal twit, at that.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:21 pmFrank M, as usual, you have nothing to offer regarding debate, but hey, when all else fails, call us libtards. Ha ha, very funny and original. You’ve been hangin’ around Monkey boy president?
Charles James Napier (or is it Nelson Riley), WTF kinda of troll are you? One who lacks intelligence and sense to debate it’s point of view? Well, CJN, may I introduce you to Frank M.? You’ll have a lovely time pissing your shared bed sheets!
Lefty Patriot
You post silly blather that has no relevance to facts or the post topic. Quit bothering those of us on the left, right, and in the middle with your kindergarten taunts and be an adult.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:22 pmWhen citizens can’t tell real news from fake, they give up their demands for accountability bit by bit
See : fake FEMA press conference.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:22 pmnappy, nappy, nappy, if you think Iran has put their nuke program on hold, you’re as stupid as Bush. they need a nuke to defend their country against mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging neandertals like you. with a nuke, pussy Bush backs off, like he has every time. thanks for 9/11, its success was dependent on you.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:23 pm#55: Ah yes. Blame the victim. It’s us who have offended the arabs…
Right.
Comment by Frank M
Whether or not you are a student of history is still an open question. Just to get you up to speed, the west has been meddling in the internal affairs of the ME for decades. Decades of western pressure and pillaging has created much resentment in that part of the world.
Tha resentment has fostered groups of (mostly) young people who see our involvement in their affairs to be 1. against their religious teachings and 2. against their feelings of nationalism.
We have been pushing them around for years – and they have started to push back. They know we are there for the oil – nothing more, nothing less than that. YOU KNOW we are there for the oil and nothing more.
The US has bullied these countries for a long time, now. They want us gone.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:23 pmComment by JT — December 18, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
as soon as you stop lying about the left, I’ll stop pointing out the truth about you, wussy little coward. without you and yours, no 9/11. thanks a lot, Bin Laden loves you.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:24 pm“#57: So, you’re really willing to take that risk and be soft on terror?”
…Do you say this because it’s “the Bush way or no way at all”? DO you really, really think there are just those two options?
Here again(and again, and again) we have a classic instance of “Righty and the Universe of 2 and only 2 Alternatives”
…dinnertime must be painfully redundant in those households.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:24 pmAh yes. Blame the victim. It’s us who have offended the arabs…
Right.
Comment by Frank M — December 18, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
No they attacked us because they were “happy” with our behavior. They have alzheimers’s med Jake, maybe you should try them.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:24 pmApparently the right-wing thinks the entire intelligence community are traitors to the country for saying Iran is not developing nukes while they so obviously are. It’s good to know the right-wing is wise enough to ignore intelligence and continues to strive for war regardless what the experts say.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:25 pmUK Guantanamo detainee near suicide after years of torture, doctors warn
A British resident being held in Guantanamo Bay may be close to suicide after five years of captivity and torture at the hands of the Americans, the Foreign Secretary David Miliband has been warned in a medical report sent to the Government this week
FRANK IS AGREATER THREAT TO HUMANITY THAN THIS GUY
December 18th, 2007 at 1:25 pmLefty, you are a coward hiding behind a keyboard. You haven’t posted a single fact, yet my posts contain outside resources, i.e. BBC, etc., which support my points. When will YOU learn that merely posting doesn’t make it so?…
Ta, ta!
December 18th, 2007 at 1:25 pmAs a “progressive,†are you insulting a GOVERNMENT RUN program?
HAHAHAHAHAH – ‘tard!!!!!!!!
Comment by Lefftenant — December 18, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
it’s just very clear that you have no education, and no awareness of what’s available to you in this country. thanks for 9/11.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:25 pm“Come here my wittle baby, did they accuse you of terrorism. Poor wittle. I’ll defend you no matter what they have on you.â€
-Conversation between a pinko leftist and a random AQ member
Comment by Lefftenant — December 18, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
shouldn’t you be in school?
what a fu(king cretin!
December 18th, 2007 at 1:25 pm86 – Shayne – gotta keep your sights low – if you get too quippy, it’s just going to fly right over these guys’ heads.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:26 pmIt is a good thing really, a blessing in disguise maybe. I G.W.Bush had done a decent job, you’d end up with Jeb Bush one of these days. And see what that guy’s up to:
http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/it-runs-in-the-family-another-398-days-to-go/
December 18th, 2007 at 1:26 pmFor TP to assert that Iran has stopped its nuclear program to “create†this blog post is very irresponsible.
In fact, Iran has a nuclear program:
Comment by JT — December 18, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
Um, JT? I know you really want to make a point here. But it’s just not working.
The article and the exchange between the “reporter” and the “President” both explicitly mentioned nuclear weapons.
You, like most right-wingers with little else to peddle, are trying to conflate the term “nuclear program” with “nuclear weapons”. I guess that’s because your nerves are on a such an edge that you jump out of your skin when a doorbell rings on a TV commercial, so you’re naturally inclined to think “weapons” when you hear “nuclear”.
We understand.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:26 pmSo, you’re really willing to take that risk and be soft on terror?
Comment by Frank M — December 18, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
What does Iraq have to do with terrorism in US cities? Are you really this stupid?
December 18th, 2007 at 1:26 pmThis country was Hijacked by PNAC and Cheney’s patented sneer and hopefully there will be a light at the end of this very, very long tunnel.
Wow.
An almost 8 year hangover.
My head hurts.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:26 pmLefty, you are a coward hiding behind a keyboard. You haven’t posted a single fact, yet my posts contain outside resources, i.e. BBC, etc., which support my points. When will YOU learn that merely posting doesn’t make it so?…
Ta, ta!
Comment by JT — December 18, 2007 @ 1:25 pm
your lies and fantasies have no basis, you pissy little twit. enlist, if you’re so sure of yourself. otherwise, you’re just another cowardly traitor, spewing whatever lies you get by sucking bushco cock.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:26 pmI just wonder why it’s always your side that becomes abusive and chooses to be in clear violation of TP terms of use?
Comment by Frank M — December 18, 2007 @ 1:26 pm
Jesus, you’re beyond stupid. thanks for 9/11, traitor.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:28 pm59. The Arab world just woke up one morning and decided that they hated America? Frank, be serious. There is no history at all behind this? Just a sudden desire to attack America?
December 18th, 2007 at 1:28 pmCharles and Frank have conveniently forgotten most of the history of the West’s involvements in the Arab world, hence their exceedingly odd interpretation of events there now.
Comment by tombaker
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The truth is that the Left has forgotten the history of the Muslim world’s (both Arab and Ottoman) long history of aggression against Europe and the West, hence their exceedingly odd interpretation of events there now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Vienna
December 18th, 2007 at 1:28 pmIt seems Frank M. is one of the few who is posting rational thoughts with well-documented support.
All the attacks indicate that, instead of responding in an intelligent and thoughtful manner, those who disagree resort to personal attacks. Thus, they lose credibility and show their true colors of cowardice.
Post on Frank M.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:28 pmYou really think that the suicide bomberating muslim fanatics would care about us leveling the entire middle east as long as they can kill their share of infidels and get to the paradise?
Comment by Frank M — December 18, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
Forget the alzheimers meds, antipsychotics would definitely be more appropriate.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:29 pmLefty, you are a coward hiding behind a keyboard. You haven’t posted a single fact, yet my posts contain outside resources, i.e. BBC, etc., which support my points. When will YOU learn that merely posting doesn’t make it so?…
Ta, ta!
Comment by JT — December 18, 2007 @ 1:25 pm
wow, you haven’t learned to read English. Are you a Musilm terrorist?
December 18th, 2007 at 1:29 pmThen Dubbie reminded everyone that Iraq doesn’t really have electricity or running water either, and laughed, but everyone else stopped laughing, and he felt a little awkward. Then he farted and made a joke about it, and felt better.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:30 pm#80: You know, a few days ago certain people here were trying to get people to flag me/report abuse because they disagreed with my posts. Yet, I have never been in breach of TP posting rules.
Comment by Frank M — December 18, 2007 @ 1:26 pm
You’re right, Frank. But I notice you don’t mention that several TPers agreed with you, that you did not deserve to be flagged.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:31 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Vienna
Comment by Charles James Napier — December 18, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
how selective. How about going back to 1953, instead of dredging up centuries-old, irrelevant bullshit?
Nah, that would make you look like the ignorant liar you are.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:31 pmIf you don’t think that had a profoud effect on their decision to put their nuclear weapons program on hold then you are living in a dream world.
Comment by Charles James Napier
Your interpretation of the facts are yours alone. The NIE did not make one mention of that scenario. Not one.
So if our invasion or Iraq made Iran so scared, why does North Korea still keep their nukes? We could invade them next, right?
The right side talking points can only drive you so far – and yours are out of gas.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:31 pmComment by Shayne — December 18, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
Shouldn’t you bring up getting a job? I heard progressive women don’t like being supported by their husbands.
Comment by Lefftenant — December 18, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
What CT, you were upset because everybody thought you were Mr. P so you made sure we knew it was you. What difference does it make you all share one very small brain.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:32 pmW looks like he can’t wait to stop being the decider. One person can carry only so much shame.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:32 pmCharles – yes, of course….that history is a one way street from your pov, and our tools are all single-edged.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:32 pmWhy don’t you get back to spending the ole’ man’s money and getting the only sex you can find at the Zoo?
Comment by Lefftenant — December 18, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
this is the best this little coward wuss can do, attack personally, with no factual basis. brilliant, no wonder Bin Laden has so little trouble running Bush’s administration.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:32 pmMORONS!
December 18th, 2007 at 1:33 pmI just wonder why it’s always your side that becomes abusive and chooses to be in clear violation of TP terms of use?
Comment by Frank M — December 18, 2007 @ 1:26 pm
Frank, do you not read Leftenant’s posts? Or CHL’s? Or Southern Man’s? Or Billy Hill’s?
Are you seriously complaining that it’s only the Left the “becomes abusive”?
Seriously?
December 18th, 2007 at 1:33 pmhufftenant needs to get his head out of that sack of spraypaint.
…trippin
Huffing kills, hufftenant – save yourself
December 18th, 2007 at 1:34 pmWhy, I live in a gated enclave. How could I have no education?
Comment by Lefftenant — December 18, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
Leavenworth? Folsom? Bellevue?
December 18th, 2007 at 1:34 pmLefty says:
this is the best this little coward wuss can do, attack personally, with no factual basis. brilliant, no wonder Bin Laden has so little trouble running Bush’s administration.
Yet, every single one of his/her posts is exactly that, a personal attack with no factual basis in the post.
Looks like you recognize your own faults Lefty. Now, will you be strong enough to correct them, or continue to post personal attacks because you can’t disagree with others in a nice manner?
December 18th, 2007 at 1:35 pmRalph – sure sign a Righty is losing a debate – playing the victim card. Never appeals to me much, since Righty is the perpetual overdog. Hard for a bully to muster much sympathy when the chips are down.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:35 pmW is the picture of irrelevance and shame. The best the GOP has.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:36 pmstudying up for your GED?
Comment by Shayne — December 18, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
As a “progressive,†are you insulting a GOVERNMENT RUN program?
HAHAHAHAHAH – ‘tard!!!!!!!!
Comment by Lefftenant — December 18, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
No I’m insulting you, dumbass. You’ll never get into that community college you love so much, also a government run program, without that GED.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:37 pmThe 1981 Osiraq raid did not dely Iraq’s nuclear program, it encouraged Saddam to expand what had been a small research program into a full-blown weapons program.
If the US invasion caused Iran to cease their nuclear program, then why didn’t anyone outside of Tehran know about this until this year? Why keep it a secret, if you want to prevent the US from attacking you?
Libya’s ending of their programs, which one State Department official called the “clown prince of WMD programs”, was the result of years of negotiations.
Also, how is it that the US is willing to let the regime in Tripoli, who in the past has invaded their neighbors, supportred terrorist groups and used terrorism themselves, had a WMD program, had been involved in military actions against the US, and brutally suppresses its propulation, stay in power?
Weren’t these the same reasons the US invaded and removed Saddam from power? But now they’re willing to give Khaddafi a pass?
And how is it that the Soviet Union, who murdered tens of millions of their own citizens, is somehow more “logical” than the ” suicide bomberating muslim fanatics “?
December 18th, 2007 at 1:38 pmThe truth is that the Left has forgotten the history of the Muslim world’s (both Arab and Ottoman) long history of aggression against Europe and the West, hence their exceedingly odd interpretation of events there now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Vienna
Comment by Charles James Napier — December 18, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
Ohhh. Looks like CJN is going wiki. Here’s a little WIKI for ya, buddy.
This little sideshow troll, is one sick SOB.
“the human mind is never better disposed to gratitude and attachment than when softened by fear”
ugh.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:38 pmWhy, I live in a gated enclave. How could I have no education?
Comment by Lefftenant
Is that the fancy word for prison – gated enclave? We are sorry you are incarcerated. Do you have much time left? The guards let you blog from prison? That must be cool.
BTW: don’t drop the soap!
December 18th, 2007 at 1:40 pmThe right-wing apologists on this thread must have seen that pathetic body language displayed by Bush in the picture and knew that they’d have to roll up their sleeves on this one!
Bush looks like he resents having to stand there and listen to what must have been someone’s question! Have we ever had a president who detests being challenged so much? I can’t remember one. He comes off as a spoiled brat.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:40 pmShayne – gotta keep your sights low – if you get too quippy, it’s just going to fly right over these guys’ heads.
Comment by tombaker — December 18, 2007 @ 1:26
But when they get frustrated, they lose it, and it’s much easie to get them kicked out of here. They’re just like playdoh.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:40 pmOn the other hand I could report you for abuse, but I choose not to do it, because it’s a cowardly way of settling a score.
I just wonder why it’s always your side that becomes abusive and chooses to be in clear violation of TP terms of use?
Comment by Frank M — December 18, 2007
Sure Jake, report us for abuse. You must think we give a sh*t what you do, idiot.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:42 pmWhy, I’m a whitemalerightardsuccessfulinvestorwholivesinanupscalehome
Aren’t you special. …..not.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:42 pmShayne – k, i get it now. Carry on then!! by all means, carry on!
December 18th, 2007 at 1:44 pmDumb ass idiot Bush! Time has proven you so wrong loser freak! So many people have died because of you idiot! Can’t wait to see you choke in your own blood loser freak!
December 18th, 2007 at 1:45 pm“pinko”!? – since when was that an insult to anyone? is it the ’50’s again?
this is better than anything on comedy central
December 18th, 2007 at 1:45 pmyou can bet that neither of those msnbc chatterbunnies has a clue, either.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:45 pmWhy don’t you get back to spending the ole’ man’s money and getting the only sex you can find at the Zoo?
Comment by Lefftenant — December 18, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
I’m not the one stinking up my mother’s basement. How is the old crack whore by the way?
December 18th, 2007 at 1:45 pmWhy, I live in a gated enclave. How could I have no education?
Comment by Lefftenant — December 18, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
You can lead a jackass to water but you can’t make him drink. When did they get gates at your trailer park?
December 18th, 2007 at 1:47 pmDr. Matt – I don’t know. Some time before I arrived the thread had disintegrated into yet another skirmish with highly agitated and incoherent righties, and I’m just ttrying to catch up.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:48 pmHuffing kills, hufftenant – save yourself
Comment by tombaker — December 18, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
Well it obviously causes IQ lowering brain damage. Of course it could be the lead paint chips his mom feeds him.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:49 pmWhy, I’m a whitemalerightardsuccessfulinvestorwholivesinanupscalehome
Aren’t you special. …..not.
Comment by jb — December 18, 2007 @ 1:42 pm
Yes, he’s very “short bus” special.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:53 pmSee #75. The question was asked by Mike West, a resident of Stafford, not a reporter. I also see where Mike West then thanked the President for bringing the mastermind of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Saddam Hussein, to justice. My guess is that Mike was just another plant from the administrations “screened” audiences.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:53 pmThe truth is that the Left has forgotten the history of the Muslim world’s (both Arab and Ottoman) long history of aggression against Europe and the West, hence their exceedingly odd interpretation of events there now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Vienna
Comment by Charles James Napier — December 18, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
And you, apparently, have forgotten that it was Europeans that invaded the Muslim world, over hundreds of years, and established their own kingdoms in the Middle East.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:54 pmI think most of us have forgotten more than charles and frank claim to know. And that’s just sad, mm’k?
December 18th, 2007 at 1:55 pmHow about going back to 1953, instead of dredging up centuries-old, irrelevant bullshit?
Nah, that would make you look like the ignorant liar you are.
Comment by Lefty Patriot
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The history of Arab and Ottoman agression against Western Liberalism has been a constant for nearly 1000 years.
American involvement in the Middle-East has been very slight through most of our history. Yes the CIA did help install the Shah in the early 1950s as we were at the time attempting to prevent Soviet expassion. The policy may have back-fired in the long run but this was in no way a motivation for al-Qaeda actions against the US as al-Qaeda is Sunni and Iran is Shiite.
The overthrow of the Communist regime in Iran back in ‘53 is more a grievance of the anti-American Left than of Islamists, at least of the Sunni variety.
Islam has always been a conquering ideology, set apon world domination.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:55 pm“pinkoâ€!? – since when was that an insult to anyone? is it the ’50’s again?
this is better than anything on comedy central
Comment by tombaker — December 18, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
He’s channeling Joe McCarthy. Another era for them to be proud of, not.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:56 pmAnd you, apparently, have forgotten that it was Europeans that invaded the Muslim world, over hundreds of years, and established their own kingdoms in the Middle East.
Comment by gummitch — December 18, 2007 @ 1:54 pm
Oh no, you’re going to make Chuckie’s head assplode.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:58 pmWow, this reads like a GOP deebate – no substance, just big talk, projection and insults. Entertaining though!
December 18th, 2007 at 1:58 pmYep, the “HUMAN RIGHTS†specialist collects his fees.
Dolt: Conservatives build prisons for those soft on crime…LEFTIES!!!!
Comment by Lefftenant
I have decide to let you rest in peace. You need your nap time…
December 18th, 2007 at 1:58 pmHow is the old crack whore by the way?
Comment by Shayne
Best post.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:59 pmIslam has always been a conquering ideology, set apon world domination.
Comment by Charles James Napier — December 18, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
Funny then that they didn’t come to America and kill off all the natives, isn’t it?
December 18th, 2007 at 2:00 pmThe history of Arab and Ottoman agression against Western Liberalism has been a constant for nearly 1000 years.
There’s been Western Liberalism for nearly 1000 years? Holy crap! This must have been a source of extreme confusion to the feudal lords running Europe at the time.
And I see that you’re continuing to avoid mentioning the European invasion of the Middle East from the 11th century almost to the 14th century. That whole “Crusades” thing ring any bells at all?
American involvement in the Middle-East has been very slight through most of our history. Yes the CIA did help install the Shah in the early 1950s as we were at the time attempting to prevent Soviet expassion. The policy may have back-fired in the long run but this was in no way a motivation for al-Qaeda actions against the US as al-Qaeda is Sunni and Iran is Shiite.
Your story is that the CIA was preventing Soviet expansion; the truth is that US corporations were terrified that the new ELECTED government might nationalize some industry.
The overthrow of the Communist regime in Iran back in ‘53 is more a grievance of the anti-American Left than of Islamists, at least of the Sunni variety.
There was no “communist” regime, idiot. It was a duly-elected government that the US supplanted with a king. The Iranians made it pretty clear in 1979 that they, not the American Patriotic Left, was upset, but you probably weren’t born then.
Islam has always been a conquering ideology, set apon world domination.
Comment by Charles James Napier — December 18, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
As opposed, I guess, to corporate imperalism.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:02 pmShane is Mentally Illinois.
How fitting for that state.
Shane, have you heard Drew Peterson is afraid he can’t find a date? When he was told you’d be willing to stop by, he almost started confesssing just to steer clear you walking within 20 feet of him.
Comment by Lefftenant — December 18, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
Dre Peterson, you mean the cop from the extreme right wing suburb Bolingbrook. You mean the bible thumping rethug that just killed his second wife while his Nazi like police department let him get away with the last one. You mean the right wing suburban police department that didn’t think it was odd that his last wife drowned in an empty bathtub? You should be proud of your peeps. At least they have a bathtub and not one of those tiny shower stalls like in your motor home.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:03 pmThe policy may have back-fired in the long run but this was in no way a motivation for al-Qaeda actions against the US as al-Qaeda is Sunni and Iran is Shiite.
Comment by Charles James Napier
Yeah, that policy did backfire in the long run didn’t it? Maybe we shouldn’t place leaders in a country. Maybe we should let the people decide who will lead them. A strange thought, I know. People choosing their leaders.
I also thought it was funny that – based on our observations – you understand the motivations of these people.
Hmmm, you must be smart – but you hide it well.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:04 pm“I just wonder why it’s always your side that becomes abusive and chooses to be in clear violation of TP terms of use?”
Comment by Frank M
So report them Francine. Maybe posters just get a little tired of trolls like you who come here soley to incite anger and attempt to project your fears all over a thread. Your endless support of this idiot in the WH is enough to frustrate any true patriot. You Righties use that word (patriot) to justify everything your Dear Leader does. As Theodrore Roosevelt said, “Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president.” Your Dear Leaders actions over the last 7 years have been for the sole benefit of corporate leaders, religious fanatics(Christian and Israeli zionists). His actions have served to undermine our Constitution, our respect on the world stage, our tattered military, our treasury, our morals and our laws. Excuse us for being passionate about the country we love and miss when we call you out for being the bootlicking, apologist scaredy cat warmonger that you are. If you’re looking for acceptance, there are plenty of conservative blogs for you to go to where you will never here a dissenting opinion (because we are not allowed there). OK idiot? I leave you with a quote that has been paraphrased here before but never gets old, “I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends… that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them.”
Adlai E. Stevenson Jr.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:06 pmComment by gummitch — December 18, 2007 @ 2:02 pm
Chuckie can only look up one Wiki page at a time, oh no, he’s probably chasing his tail now.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:06 pmComment by Shayne — December 18, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
As if Indians give a shit for your defense.
Comment by Lefftenant — December 18, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
Well there’s another point that went right over your head. You’re right tombaker, I’m lowering the bar.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:07 pmYou can’t fix stupid – but stupid can easily lead others that are even more stupid than him.
The followers that are even stupider than Bush today are -
Frank, Roger, Jason, Lefftenant, Charles.
The Brainwashed, the Stupid, a fine looking bunch of Bush ass kissers.
Hague Trials ‘09 for all
Buck Fush
December 18th, 2007 at 2:08 pmThe same can and has been said about Christianity. There you have it folks, two of the 14 points of Fascism:
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights
The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous†acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and “terrorists.†Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.
If the Islamofascist and Christofascist have their way, we will soon be either back in the 13th Century or wiped off the face of the earth along with all other living species, except for the cockroach.
Perhaps we will get lucky and they decide to just kill each other and leave the rest of humanity, those of us who would like to build a future for our children and grandchildren and leave a positive legacy for all future generations, alone.
Then again, I am not sure humanity’s Karma is that good.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:08 pmDrew Peterson is relevant how? Bush now casually says Iraq has no nukes. Thanks for getting up to speed Georgie. Too bad you still have followers and they lag behind in soooooo many things.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:14 pmAnd you, apparently, have forgotten that it was Europeans that invaded the Muslim world, over hundreds of years, and established their own kingdoms in the Middle East.
Comment by gummitch
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Muslim raiders from the time of Mohammed through the first 700 years of Islam overran all of Christian North Africa, Zorastrian Persia, Hindu India as well as Spain and much of Eastern Europe. The Crusades were a response to Muslim aggression and the forced conversion that always follows.
European imperialism in the Arab world has been quite small in comparison to Islamic imperialism in the other direction. And one of the worst products of imperialism, slavery, was also carried on for a far, far longer peroid of time by Arabs than by Europeans or Americans. Slavery was still legal in Saudi Arabia as late as 1962.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:15 pmCan Frankie really be that big of a chicken $hit? Or is he just trying to justify the crimes of the cheerleader and his administration?
Comment by jb — December 18, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
My money’s on both.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:16 pmStratRat,
Maybe we should let the people decide who will lead them. A strange thought, I know. People choosing their leaders.
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Then I’m sure that you are happy that the people of Iraq have now been given the opportunity to have elections and finally choose their own leaders, yes?
December 18th, 2007 at 2:19 pmThe Main Stream Media is the antichrist. They could hardly have more perverted the reporting on that exchange. Talk about covering for your team. Unbelievable. The obvious story about that exchange is profound on two points. One, the propaganda stupification of millions of idiotic Republicans on the fraudulent pretense for the Iraq war; and two, Bush’s real time contribution of more lying propoganda, correcting the man from one absurdity right into another one. Does Iran HAVE nukes? NO!! They don’t! Not even the Bush cabal claims that before this exchange. But he’s happy to coddle his idiot follower and support him in his imaginary fantasty that somehow it’s fact that Iran currently has nukes. Despicable. Our president lying and decieving outright, and the MSM deflects and covers his ass like the Mafia. Sick.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:20 pmI don’t think you’ll be laughing when the dems have finally managed to tie our hands in the war on terror and the terrorists start carving out the hearts of our cities with nukes.
Comment by Frank M — December 18, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
Ok Frank, time to go back and hide under the bed you 46 year-old COWARD
December 18th, 2007 at 2:20 pmWorth reading: The Lagacy of Jihad….
http://www.amazon.com/Legacy-Jihad-Islamic-Holy-Non-Muslims/dp/1591023076/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1198005778&sr=1-2
December 18th, 2007 at 2:24 pmChuck – Iraqis are too busy trying to survive and find potable water to luxuriate in the niceties of elections right now. I know, it’s terribly ungrateful of them, but for some reason, they just can’t get their hearts-and-minds behind the thrill of political campaigning at this time. Maybe it’s because they can’t power their televisions so they can watch the appealing campaign advertising.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:26 pmMuslim raiders from the time of Mohammed through the first 700 years of Islam overran all of Christian North Africa, Zorastrian Persia, Hindu India as well as Spain and much of Eastern Europe. The Crusades were a response to Muslim aggression and the forced conversion that always follows.
Horsepuckey. You need to read up on the Crusades a little. Or a lot. The Crusades were an act of aggression that was religious, social and economic in nature. At the time the Crusades were initially launched, in fact, there had been a long period of stasis between Europe and the Islamic world.
European imperialism in the Arab world has been quite small in comparison to Islamic imperialism in the other direction. And one of the worst products of imperialism, slavery, was also carried on for a far, far longer peroid of time by Arabs than by Europeans or Americans. Slavery was still legal in Saudi Arabia as late as 1962.
Comment by Charles James Napier — December 18, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
If you’re going to make idiotic claims like that first sentence, you’re going to have to provide some evidence. Before you try it, however, you may want to read up on the Sykes-Picot Agreement.
Slavery is reprehensible but it is not imperalism, and not colonialism. Again, you’ve created a false relationship because you’re on completely untenable ground. Slavery in Saudi Arabia has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the Muslim world has reason to be suspicious of the West.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:26 pmAnd that is why all of the normal people are starting to wake up. They are all sick and tired of people dying over which of your group’s glowy man in the sky is the real glowy man in the sky.
You people live like it is 2000 years ago. Time to catch up with the rest of us.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:26 pmThen I’m sure that you are happy that the people of Iraq have now been given the opportunity to have elections and finally choose their own leaders, yes?
Comment by Charles James Napier — December 18, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
Nice Disney-worthy spin, Napier. No romanticize about how the US created Saddam Hussein. Who was his biggest patron throughout his brutal reign? It wasn’t far back, even for your little mind to recall. It was just the late 80’s that Rummy was shaking his hand and Bush Sr. was in bed with him. So tell me more romantic stories about the US liberating the Iraqi’s from the brutal dictator that the US installed, financed, condoned and supported for decades. Tell me about it. I want to hear. Your Disney fables are so good.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:26 pm.
The presient just admitted he thinks Iran has Nukes.
WHERE’S THE PROOF.
L I A R!
December 18th, 2007 at 2:27 pmin Chief.
As a “progressive,†are you insulting a GOVERNMENT RUN program?
HAHAHAHAHAH – ‘tard!!!!!!!!
Comment by Lefftenant — December 18, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
Looks like another (or retread) troll, they just get dumber and dumber
December 18th, 2007 at 2:27 pmThere are some Klan and Christian Identity Movement books that are interesting reading too, Frank – would you have the world judge you based on their contents?
December 18th, 2007 at 2:27 pmI don’t think you’ll be laughing when the dems have finally managed to tie our hands in the war on terror and the terrorists start carving out the hearts of our cities with nukes. -Frank M
Tie your hands? Why your sitting on them Frank, besides your not qualified to comment on the government.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:28 pmwoops, @168 I somehow mistook Chuck for Frank. Crazy, I know, and apologies are offered to both. My point, however, stands, and asks for a response (from either of you)
December 18th, 2007 at 2:30 pmNapier, since you’re all about recommending books (and please please figure out how to post links; it’s truly elementary), you can start with these:
God’s War: A New History of the Crusades
and
A Peace to End All Peace
A History of the Arab Peoples
The Crusades Through Arab Eyes
Get back to us when you’ve digested that.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:31 pmJoeySoCal,
Who was his biggest patron throughout his brutal reign?
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It wasn’t the US, it was France, the USSR and China.
As for the hand shake, well….I always preferred the pictures of Chirac touring Iraq’s nuclear plant with Saddam: http://sindibad.fr/IMG/cache-440×287/saddam_chirac-440×287.jpg
And this picture is nice too: http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/interactive/asianow/0010/albright.nkorea/1.albright.kim.ap.jpg
December 18th, 2007 at 2:33 pmComment by gummitch,
Thanks, I’ll look into them.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:34 pmComment by Charles James Napier — December 18, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
Yawn
December 18th, 2007 at 2:34 pmIn the ebb and flow of civilizations, the Muslim empire expanded and contracted, I seem to remember a battle in southern europe that stopped the Muslim expansion.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:37 pmThe crusades were a religious-political foray into the Muslim world, and much of the animosity felt by the Islamic world toward the west dates back to them.
Not to mention the imperialism and colonialism of the 17th and 18th century.
Lots of history, cutting in both directions.
JoeySoCal,
…the US liberating the Iraqi’s from the brutal dictator that the US installed.
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The US didn’t install Saddam Hussein.
Get your facts straight.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:38 pmLooks like the TP admins got the hint.
Kiss your ass goodbye again, Mr Pee.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:38 pmThanks, I’ll look into them.
Comment by Charles James Napier — December 18, 2007 @ 2:34 pm
The book on the Crusades is massive. I’d suggest starting with A Peace to End All Peace, because the post WWI history of the region is not something that gets taught in school and it is absolutely crucial to understanding how screwed up the region became after the fall of the Ottomans. Or how, for that matter, the Ottoman regime left its stamp on the region. There’s also a pretty good history of Iraq that clarifies the connection between the Ottoman rule, the British mandate and the subsequent political and economic division between the Shiites and the Sunnis that transcends “mere” religious dogma, but I don’t have that title handy.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:39 pmI still want to know whether Chuck would be comfortable having the world at large judging him, and all of us, based on the contents of some books written by “christian” white-supremacist groups and authors, and there are plenty of them.
That is, after all, what he’s asking us to do, using the items on his cherrypicked reading list.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:41 pmAnd of course our Christian fundies completely ignore the Christian Crusader’s cannibalism and the Massacre of Ma’arrat al-Numan.
Massacre of Ma’arra
December 18th, 2007 at 2:42 pm
gummitch,
Here’s an excellent book on contemporary Arab culture that’s worth a read…
http://www.amazon.com/Closed-Circle-Interpretation-Arabs/dp/1566634407/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1198006830&sr=8-2
I wish someone in the Bush Administration would have read it as well.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:42 pmLook, Napier: type a word (or book title) and then use the “link” box just up there with the bold, italic, etc. by highlighting the word or title and paste the link into the pop-up. It works better than what you’re doing. Someone might actually use the link.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:49 pmCharles, you’re just going to keep picking cherries, or will you respond to my question?
December 18th, 2007 at 2:51 pmCharles, you never acknowledged the missing weapons and money by Gen. Petreaus. Please show you are more than a drive by troller and you have a backbone. Explain how you can support him being person of the year without acknowledging this failure.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:51 pmMr. P/CT/Lefttennant, better start taking those meds. You can’t even last an hour around here any more. Sad really you’re losing it so badly. Sniff, sniif. It breaks my heart. /sarc
December 18th, 2007 at 2:52 pmMr. P/CT/Lefttennant, better start taking those meds. You can’t even last an hour around here any more. Sad really you’re losing it so badly. Sniff, sniif. It breaks my heart. /sarc
Comment by Shayne — December 18, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
The big question is how Pee keeps getting back into the blog comments when he’s a serial abuser. I know TP is technically challenged, but still, this isn’t a difficult problem.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:54 pmgummitch,
Gee, sorry my lazy links bother you so much.
I’ll try to make my posts more aesthetically pleasing in the future.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:55 pmComment by Charles James Napier — December 18, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
The CIA was instrumental in the rise of the brutal dictator Saddam Hussein. Turn off FAUX and get your hallucinations straight, you silly little girl.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:56 pmExplain how you can support him being person of the year without acknowledging this failure.
Comment by hellinabucket — December 18, 2007
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In war nothing ever goes as one would hope. I don’t compare what Gen. Petreaus has done to some abstract idea of perfection, I compare his work to the situation as it was before he took command….In which case he gets very high marks.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:59 pmGood, you are going to stop acting like a half-a$$ed conservative.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:59 pmOK – Here’s my big opportunity to employ some righty reasoning, for the benefit of Mr. Napier….
So, Charles, you DO want the world to judge America based on their reading of Klan, Aryan Nation, and Christian Identity Movement literature. That’s what’s wrong with the Right in its entirety, and why you, Charles, are a violent, racist ideologue, hell bent on genocide.
[how did i do?]
December 18th, 2007 at 2:59 pmCharles, are you a girl?
December 18th, 2007 at 2:59 pmThe CIA was instrumental in the rise of the brutal dictator Saddam Hussein. Turn off FAUX and get your hallucinations straight, you silly little girl.
Comment by JoeySoCal
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Since I am always asked to provide proof beyond any doubt, I’ll ask the same of you.
December 18th, 2007 at 3:00 pmComment by Charles James Napier — December 18, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
Biggest or big, irrelevant isn’t it? Is deflection your only objective?
December 18th, 2007 at 3:01 pmBullsh!t. And proof is poppy Bush and Operation Destert Storm. Everything went just as planned. We went in kicked a$$ and got the heck out. It went just as everyone, but the 118 people who died and their families, hoped it would. Short, not a lot of deaths and the mission was accomplished. Because it wasn’t an open ended piece of sh!t like baby Bush has created and you are supporting.
But you would know about the military, because you are another chicken hawk.
December 18th, 2007 at 3:02 pmThis is common knowledge. No proof needed.
December 18th, 2007 at 3:03 pmGee, sorry my lazy links bother you so much.
I’ll try to make my posts more aesthetically pleasing in the future.
Comment by Charles James Napier — December 18, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
Good. And when you’ve learned how to do that why don’t you try making them better informed. You know, try reading the books instead of just the book reviews.
December 18th, 2007 at 3:03 pmComment by Charles James Napier — December 18, 2007 @ 2:59 pm
that is a non answer. You ingore his lack of accountability which tells me you know nothing of the military. I worked for the Sgt. Major of the US Army and he tells a story of stopping an entire battalion for one handgun. There is enormous amount of accountability required by every member of the military. That is one of the core values that keeps it strong.
You ignore this to comfort yourself. The next time I cross paths with you I won’t be as kind.
You disgust me with your dilluted view.
December 18th, 2007 at 3:06 pmSince I am always asked to provide proof beyond any doubt, I’ll ask the same of you.
Comment by Charles James Napier — December 18, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
Iraq is once again a target of US regime change. Despite that, precious little is being said by the corporate media about how the CIA aided and abetted political assassination, regime change and mass murder, all in the name of putting Saddam’s Ba’ath power into power for the first time in Iraq.
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html
It was also aired on the History Channel. It’s pretty standard, common knowledge I believe.
December 18th, 2007 at 3:07 pmBy the was Chuck, War was never declared. I will not allow you to frame a discussion with dissinformation. Your posts has less value than the president has political capital. Remember when GW said that? didn’t think you would.
December 18th, 2007 at 3:07 pmgummitch,
Gee, sorry my lazy links bother you so much.
I’ll try to make my posts more aesthetically pleasing in the future.
Comment by Charles James Napier — December 18, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
It was my mistake, thinking you had some interest in an actual discussion and that your intention in posting links was that people actually use them. If you can’t be bothered to do it right, that’s your problem.
December 18th, 2007 at 3:07 pmThen I’m sure that you are happy that the people of Iraq have now been given the opportunity to have elections and finally choose their own leaders, yes?
Comment by Charles James Napier
But it’s a waste of time, since almost all Iraqis are Muslim, AND:
Islam has always been a conquering ideology, set apon world domination.
Comment by Charles James Napier
So basically, by enpowering the Iraqis, we’re laying the path to our eventual suppression under the Muslim worldwide caliphate.
December 18th, 2007 at 3:09 pmIt seems that polite conversation is impossible at this website.
Profanity and personal attacks seem to be the most common response to even the slightest dissent from the groupthink here.
For a website calling itself ThinkProgress, there is very little thinking apparent in the comment threads.
I’ll go away for a while.
December 18th, 2007 at 3:11 pmComment by RickS — December 18, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
What a great strategy by Napier’s fearless leader. World class for sure.
December 18th, 2007 at 3:12 pmIn today’s Chicago Tribune: the transfer and control of Iraq’s southern Babil province has been delayed indefinitely.
December 18th, 2007 at 3:13 pmComment by Charles James Napier — December 18, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
Nice try. Redstate.kook banned me for asking the forum administrator to get on the same page after he insulted me out of nowhere.
December 18th, 2007 at 3:13 pmBush: not funny…
December 18th, 2007 at 3:15 pmThe Closed Circle: An Interpretation of the Arabs
by David Pryce-Jones who is a senior editor at National Review magazine, and contributes to The New Criterion.
According to Source Watch, he is a right-wing British author and commentator. He is a Zionist and avid supporter of Israel. which is not surprising since he is Jewish. On Feb. 16, 2003 he wrote in the London Telegraph:
Thanks anyway, but I will pass on reading his version of history.
December 18th, 2007 at 3:16 pmIf all you have is hate, racism, bigotry and fascist comments, then no, we don’t need you to “balance” us out. We’ll get some balance when some real conservatives show up.
The problem is all of the real conservatives agree with us and not you.
Don’t be gone a while, be gone forever or when you get a friggin’ clue.
December 18th, 2007 at 3:19 pmThere was once a fellow named Napier,
Thought his wit was as sharp as a rapier,
When asked for a link,
He started to shrink,
Then galloped off to his next caper.
December 18th, 2007 at 3:21 pmComment by RUCerious — December 18, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
Classic!
December 18th, 2007 at 3:26 pmWell done RUC, well done. I’ll just stick with he’s a hollow mouthpiece for ignorance.
December 18th, 2007 at 3:31 pmJeez, Charles, ever thought about manning up for once?
December 18th, 2007 at 3:43 pmT’was the night before Christmas, and all through the house, not a conservative was stirring, except for Charles Napier Mouse;
The stockings were hung on Chimpy with care, in hopes St. Huckie would soon be there;
The children were nestled all snug in their beds, while visions of trust funds danced in their heads;
Then back in Iraq there arose such a clatter, I turned on the news to see their children’s blood splatter.
And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof, the prancing and pawing of Larry Craig’s hoof.
As I drew in my hand, and was turning around, down the chimney St. Huckie came with a bound.
He was scary and hump, a right wing old elf, and I laughed when I saw him, in spite of myself.
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head, soon gave me to know I had a lot to dread;
And laying his finger aside of his nose, he took a big snort and up the chimney he rose;
He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle, all he wanted was the keys to the missiles.
But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight, “Happy Christmas to all, vote for me and good-night.”
December 18th, 2007 at 3:45 pmJeez, Charles, ever thought about manning up for once?
Comment by RickS — December 18, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
He can’t do that while he’s putting on his lipstick.
December 18th, 2007 at 3:49 pmThese trolls are dropping like flies today.
December 18th, 2007 at 3:50 pmBUSH SHOULD BE FACING A FIRING SQUAD FOR WAR CRIMES!
December 18th, 2007 at 3:50 pmI don’t think you’ll be laughing when the dems have finally managed to tie our hands in the war on terror and the terrorists start carving out the hearts of our cities with nukes.
Comment by Frank M
It must be difficult to type on your laptop while lying on your yellow belly underneath your bed.
December 18th, 2007 at 4:05 pmIt must be difficult to type on your laptop while lying on your yellow belly underneath your bed.
Comment by shoeless — December 18, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
You forgot to mention the pool of stale urine he’s lying in.
December 18th, 2007 at 4:13 pmLynard, you a real conservative? You must be pretty disgusted with Bush and how he hasn’t been that conservative ya’ll was hoping fer.
December 18th, 2007 at 5:40 pmIf there ever is a terrorist nuclear attack, it won’t be due to Iraq or Iran—–it will be due to Pakistan, Bush’s good buddies, who actually have many nukes and delivery devices NOW. Bin Laden’s approval rating is over 50% in Pakistan while the US’s is in single digits. They do not have a democracy or a stable government and are a haven for terrorists.
December 18th, 2007 at 6:18 pmYup, you just witnessed a blow-up doll President who has two asses instead of one. His picture should be right next to the Webster dictionary’s definition of idiot.
December 18th, 2007 at 7:05 pmMore Dean, yeah I spelled John wrong up there…
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20070921.html
December 18th, 2007 at 7:40 pmComment by Southern Man — December 18, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
No one expects the deranged 26%ers to see things clearly, such as the contradiction of modern ‘conservatism’ with core traditional conservative values. Like not bleeding the military and treasury in ill-concieved foreign invasions. Yes, in many ways real conservative ideals align well with modern progressive ones, they generally intersect at the point of common sense.
December 18th, 2007 at 7:42 pmComment by Southern Man — December 18, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
The only thing funny around here, in a tragic sort of way, is the rank absurdity displayed in the original blog post. That is, your fearless leader correcting the rancid stupidity of your fellow phsycophant in his assertion that Iraq has nukes, with an equally rancid strategically manipulative guised ‘correction’ that no, it’s Iran that has nukes. Southern Man, do you want to point me to the source that shows Iran has nukes?? Could you do that? Cuz to date, not even Darth Cheney’ laboratories of fabricated disintelligence are whack enough to put that one out there. So yes, laugh on, silly Southerner, just make sure you don’t emabarrass yourself by not actually getting the joke.
December 18th, 2007 at 7:50 pmOnly that false-Texan, cokehead, dry-drunk Junior could smirk and chuckle about Iraq not having nookulyar weapons. It doesn’t even register in his two-bit brain that well over 3,000 soldiers are dead because of his administration’s hard-on about invading Iraq (and now Iran).
December 18th, 2007 at 8:57 pmThe questioner is obviously one of the never-say-die 25-percenters who mistake patriotism for supporting Bush as he dismantles the Constitution.
December 18th, 2007 at 10:30 pmSouthern Bonehead, Spudge Boy’s dead on right. Sorry ’bout that, suh…
December 18th, 2007 at 10:57 pmFrankie, do you mean like the way blow-monkey tied our hands before 9-11? Ignoring the intelligence, standing down the forces, laughing off the warnings, looking the other way while OBL parties on in Pakistan? Kinda like that?
December 18th, 2007 at 11:00 pmChange your diaper frankie, you wet yourself again.
December 18th, 2007 at 11:02 pmIran doesn’t have them either President McChimpy
December 18th, 2007 at 11:19 pmwow,i dont know whos more ignorant,bush,or carlos and frank.you guys think some ragtag bunch of idiots in a cave can fire nuclear weapons at us..are you kidding,or some lackeys from the fuhrers news network…go spread your fear and hatemongering elsewhere
December 18th, 2007 at 11:55 pmHa ha … one million dead and counting – very funny
December 19th, 2007 at 2:34 amThe only thing funny around here, in a tragic sort of way, is the rank absurdity displayed in the original blog post. That is, your fearless leader correcting the rancid stupidity of your fellow phsycophant in his assertion that Iraq has nukes, with an equally rancid strategically manipulative guised ‘correction’ that no, it’s Iran that has nukes.
I just wanna repost this, cause its dead on
December 19th, 2007 at 3:06 am