It is not moot. It is one of the 9 reasons we invaded, remember? It is the main reason that nearly 4000 of our troops have died, and tens of thousands have been wounded.

Powell and Rice said in 2001, only months before 9/11, that Saddam was not a threat to his neighbors. Wonder where they got that idea?

Powell went further and said:

He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors.
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There’s no question that they have some stockpiles of some of these sorts of weapons still under their control, but they have not been able to break out, they have not been able to come out with the capacity to deliver these kinds of systems or to actually have these kinds of systems that is much beyond where they were 10 years ago.

Powell also said the sanctions were working, and they were reconfiguring them to remain effective.

A CIA agent, Tyler Drumheller, also told Tenet the day prior to Powell’s speech to the UN security council to remove information in the speech gleaned from “Curveball” regarding WMDs because it had been discovered that he could not be trusted. Drumheller said Tenet told him he’d take care of it. The info was not removed.

Finally, Bush removed the inspectors prior to the invasion; Saddam did not kick them out. Had the inspectors been able to finish their job, we’d have found out what we now know: there were no WMDs.

And don’t give me that line that 9/11 changed everything. It didn’t change anything. We had been attacked twice by terrorists prior to Bush taking office, and 7 months after he was sworn in he held in his hands a PDB that suggested another attack was possible, yet he did NOTHING.

And then we have Bush hellbent on invading Iraq, a country that miraculously became a threat seemingly overnight. Everything that Powell had disclosed about Iraq a little over a year earlier had been thrown out the window. They were not a threat. They had been contained. They were unable to break out what WMDs they had, and they were unable to restart any WMD programs. The NIE in 2002 seemed to dismiss everything that Powell had said (apparently information also from an earlier NIE), yet as we now know, the 2002 NIE was way off base as well.

Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 19, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
Don’t worry about saving my butt, pal. I wouldn’t look for help from a coward who sees threat and fear under every rock. My father fought in France, coward, by God he’d kick your craven little ass all over the landscape. You don’t own patriotism, tinyfoot. You wouldn’t know it if it crawled up your pants-leg.

Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 19, 2007 @ 1:22 pm

They didn’t go anywhere, he stopped his WMD program. Is that hard to grasp? Apparently it is…

And their “My country, right or wrong.” attitude was very apparent when others attacked our “flag”.

Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 19, 2007 @ 1:22 pm

The Japanese attacked us, the Germans declared war on us. We were attacked and we fought back against those who went to war with us. We didn’t go to war with Brazil, but going to war in Iraq is just as dumb. They never attacked us.

Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 19, 2007 @ 11:13 am

That is the problem I have. People like you who think they know everything, and everyone else knows nothing. Apparently all the WWII vets fall in line right behind you, because in your small world, it is inconceivable that any vet would go against our dear, perfect President.

Just like your support for the invasion of a country that was no threat to us. You can quote people who claimed without doubt that Iraq was going to hit us with a nuke and the country was just brimming with WMDs, and I can quote people who said “wait just a minute.” Guess who turned out to be right?

I guess it all depends on how you define “traitor,” and I don’t necessarily mean Mr. Webster’s definition.

People like you defend a government that has been one of, if not the most, secretive in the history of our nation. Items such as the invoking of Executive Privilege at every opportunity when Bush does not want to answer to any oversight. Speaking of oversight, you have Tony Snow telling us that Congress does not have any right to exercise it. And then we have Cheney declaring that he is not part of the Executive Branch, after he refuses to cooperate with the National Archives when they want to check and make sure classified information is being properly handled by the VP (something that he had no problem doing up until 2003), and going even further in attempting to abolish the group responsible for the oversight.

This is what you support. It sure as hell isn’t what the architects of the Constitution wanted, but what the hell do they know, right O. Bigfoot? Right, Mr. Bush?

Speaking of blocking investigations, we have Bush personally blocking the Office of Professional Responsibility (part of the DOJ) when they try to review the behavior of lawyers in regards to the warrantless wiretapping program, a program that Bush otherwise tells us is perfectly legal and that there were no disagreements within the administration over it. He cited security issues in blocking the investigation, but had no problem providing clearance to non-government individuals when the DOJ was part of an investigation regarding the leak of the program.

I may also mention Bush utilizing signing statements (700+ at last count, in less than 8 years) more than all previous presidents combined, signaling that he does not have to abide by certain parts of the laws that he otherwise signs.

And let’s not forget millions of deleted government e-mail messages, many of which were sent/received using a non-governmental system. I do believe this was unlawful, yet I’m sure you have no problem with this.

But I digress. The topic is torture and how we treat our enemies. Let’s see…we have Bush telling us that the world would be a better place if other countries adopt the provisions of our Military Commissions Act. Which means if one of our troops is captured, Bush signals it’s OK for the enemy to hold him or her indefinitely, and put them on trial while at the same time withholding evidence.
If there is any example of someone not giving a damn about our troops, this is it.

But was this his reaction early in his presidency when one of our spy planes made an emergency landing in China and its crew was held for what at the time could have been an indefinite period? Hell no. He demanded from the very beginning that they be freed. And when the crew finally did return to America? Bush refused to go greet them, claiming he didn’t want to interfere with their homecoming.

It is people like you, Bigfoot, who sanction the invasion of any country that might be a threat to us in the future. It is the people in this country that tell the rest of us to shut up and not criticize the President in a time of war. It, you know, emboldens the enemy. Kind of like it emboldens the enemy when a Democrat mentions bringing the troops home, but when the President or a war supporter does the same thing, apparently it doesn’t.

You talk of how safe we are from the terrorists, and how Bush has made it so. We hear from the likes of Lynn Cheney how Bush has made us so much safer from terrorism, yet when asked about the terror strikes abroad, such as in Spain and Great Britain, we are told that those aren’t important.

The president tells us that if the Iraqi government tells us to leave, we’ll leave. There’s no discussion of the terrorists following us home. There’s no discussion of the Middle East going to hell in the hands of the terrorists. There’s no discussion of the generals on the ground determining when we’ll come home. But if a member of OUR government tells Bush to bring the troops home? Oh, hang him, and hang him high, the damned terrorist lover. Democrats win Congress in 2006? Oh, a victory for the terrorists as well.

Oh shoot, I digressed again. Oh well.

Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 19, 2007 @ 11:13 am

Talked to my great uncles, talked to my neighbor who fought on Iwo Jima, my father’s coworker who fought on Saipan in the same company as Lee Marvin. I grew up with veterans, many of whom were active in the peace movement. These were men who fought in some of the bloodiest battles in history (Okinawa, Pelileu, The Ardennes, Saipan, Italy, Iwo Jima), not some guy who never left the US, and knew the horrors of war. They didn’t live in some John Wayne fantasy land and they understood that war should only be a last resort and not something that should be entered into on a whim and due to lies. They hated Vietnam and if they were alive they would have hated Iraq even more. And they definitely would have hated you.

Perhaps you should have been paying more attention.

Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 19, 2007 @ 10:15 am

You brought up the Greatest Generation, I just responded that my family who fought in that war would be disgusted by you. Idiot

I was being sarcastic, ass h***.

Take a breath Nancy, go to your quiet place and have a latte and a Midol… you are going to burst a vein… all those insults at Christmas, shame on you..

Yippie-Yi-Yay Blue Stater, ya big sissy

*bert

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Comment by BERT CONVY — December 19, 2007 @ 10:12 am

Again, writing from Iraq? No, want others to fight your war, who exactly then is a sissy. Go F yourself.

It’s always the democrats that are the first to cry ‘CENSER THEM’.

I see it on every lefty blog, anyone with an opposing opinion is at risk of censer, or banned. always they are subjected to the “trash the trolls” talk. Trolls are simply Americans that actually love America, support the troops and yes, actually pack a pair.

So ban away moonbats… soon you will be all be sitting in your basements alone, just stroking each other, while the real patriots do your heavy lifting.

Yippie-Ki-Yay girls

*bert

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Comment by BERT CONVY — December 19, 2007 @ 9:53 am

Writing from Iraq I assume. If not, and we know you aren’t, don’t talk to anyone about packing a pair and doing heavy lifting.

On the other hand, if you were unable to shut up and listen, and opened your pie-hole and started telling them your point of view, they might just beat the stuffing out of you.

Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 19, 2007 @ 10:00 am

My entire family fought in that war. Every single one of them would spit in your traitorous face. It’s laughable that you would think they would not see you for the sniveling coward that you are. You are truly one delusional fool

Comment by BERT CONVY — December 19, 2007 @ 9:53 am

Bert, it’s censor you idiot. You can’t even spell, I can see middle school is on vacation

Daniel Inouye (Medal of Honor), Bob Kerry (Medal of Honor), Charlie Rangle (decorated Korean War veteran), I can keep going if you want me to. I can mention my great uncle, lifelong democrat, who was awarded the Navy Cross

Rush Limbaugh, Dick Cheney, Guilianni, Delay, Wolfowitz, you, etc. etc. all draft dodgers. You are not a patriot, you hate this country and the Constitution. I am embarrassed that you are an American, I am humiliated that you have the same passport as me (Oh, wait, you have never left the country so you don’t have one). Go back to your Klan web site and leave the real patriotic Americans to discuss things

I’ll still listen to the old stuff but he can dry up and head back to Canada with Michale J. Fox no one will miss either one of them.

Yippie-Ki-Yay Moonbatters

*bert

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Comment by BERT CONVY — December 19, 2007 @ 9:41 am

I’m well aware that he is a Canadian, still doesn’t make Big Idiot (and you) any less of a traitor. I see we have another garbage coward idiot troll on this board, we will make you look as stupid, insipid and cowardly as all the others. And like Rush, attack they guy with Parkinson’s, classy guy you. Go back to your double wide. you POS

You are an ally of our enemies. It’s time you realize that, and change your ways.

Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 19, 2007 @ 9:29 am

You represent 24% of Americans, those who are complete morons. Why don’t you serve your country you sniveling coward and stop attacking other people’s patriotism. You are a coward and support terrorism, you are also a racist bigot. Basically you suck

“Lets Roll” is one of my favorites.

Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 19, 2007 @ 9:32 am

I can guarantee he doesn’t like you, he doesn’t like racist cowards who live in constant fear and actually support terrorists. I believe he would think you are a traitor. Maybe loisten to the lyrics of Rocking in the Free World, you idiot.