Comments on: Deputy AG Nominee: Waterboarding Is ‘Repugnant,’ But Can’t Say Whether It’s Torture http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:34:11 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: ry81 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4201790 ry81 Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:41:20 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/#comment-4201790 Hey if waterboarding is good interrogation technique, why not use it on US citizens. It would make it much easier for police to get confessions if they were allowed to interrogate people suspected of crimes. If someone is suspected of a murder or robbery why not just take to the police station and waterboard them. No need for a trial, not need for them to have lawyers or rights, no need for further evidence. Thats what they are doing on so called "war prisoners". If it works and is good in that case why not other cases? Or are basic human rights only good for american citizens? Hey if waterboarding is good interrogation technique, why not use it on US citizens. It would make it much easier for police to get confessions if they were allowed to interrogate people suspected of crimes. If someone is suspected of a murder or robbery why not just take to the police station and waterboard them. No need for a trial, not need for them to have lawyers or rights, no need for further evidence. Thats what they are doing on so called “war prisoners”. If it works and is good in that case why not other cases? Or are basic human rights only good for american citizens?

]]> By: DieNowForPeace http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4199292 DieNowForPeace Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:26:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/#comment-4199292 It depends on what your definition of THE LAW is, like a murder defendant trying to convince a judge that "we should redefine murder". <strong>THROW THE BOOK AT THESE CRIMINAL A$$HOLES ALREADY.</strong> It depends on what your definition of THE LAW is, like a murder defendant trying to convince a judge that “we should redefine murder”.

THROW THE BOOK AT THESE CRIMINAL A$$HOLES ALREADY.

]]> By: scuby http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4199256 scuby Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:10:53 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/#comment-4199256 The U.S. Military Code of Justice AND the Geneva Conventions both say that waterboarding is torture and both say it is illegal!! The Bush Admin. knows this, which is why they are attempting to blur the lines, and imply that its just not clear whether its torture or not. This is just another case of them manufacturing their own reality. The U.S. Military Code of Justice AND the Geneva Conventions both say that waterboarding is torture and both say it is illegal!! The Bush Admin. knows this, which is why they are attempting to blur the lines, and imply that its just not clear whether its torture or not. This is just another case of them manufacturing their own reality.

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4199242 RUCerious Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:03:53 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/#comment-4199242 There’s that love of the military. No, I served in the military for just shy of three years, so I feel comfortable commenting on my own observations. How bout you? Service dates? Theaters? Enlighten us. There’s that love of the military.

No, I served in the military for just shy of three years, so I feel comfortable commenting on my own observations.

How bout you? Service dates? Theaters? Enlighten us.

]]> By: Namtillaku http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4199197 Namtillaku Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:45:04 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/#comment-4199197 Senator, I believe water-boarding is a horrible, evil, painful, ineffective, inhuman practice - but it isn't torture. Senator, I believe water-boarding is a horrible, evil, painful, ineffective, inhuman practice – but it isn’t torture.

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4199147 Lefty Patriot Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:24:57 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/#comment-4199147 Again, care to retract your posting? Comment by tombaked — December 19, 2007 @ 2:53 pm No need, the posting is accurate, as Betrayus is perfect. Why do you hate America? Again, care to retract your posting?

Comment by tombaked — December 19, 2007 @ 2:53 pm

No need, the posting is accurate, as Betrayus is perfect. Why do you hate America?

]]> By: DRxJ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4199143 DRxJ Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:23:55 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/#comment-4199143 <em>Only an immoral chickenhawk would send young men and women to a needless death. Comment by Citizen_of_Earth — December 19, 2007</em> I just watched a great movie last night, "Flags of our Fathers". Horrific and wonderful at the same time. If memory doesn't fail me, the movie starts out with a veteran commenting: "Everyone <em>knows</em> about war, especially the jack-asses that never served!" Only an immoral chickenhawk would send young men and women to a needless death.
Comment by Citizen_of_Earth — December 19, 2007

I just watched a great movie last night, “Flags of our Fathers”. Horrific and wonderful at the same time. If memory doesn’t fail me, the movie starts out with a veteran commenting:

“Everyone knows about war, especially the jack-asses that never served!”

]]> By: tombaker http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4199090 tombaker Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:59:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/#comment-4199090 128 - hi there little troll-stalker. thanks for your support. 128 – hi there little troll-stalker. thanks for your support.

]]> By: Citizen_of_Earth http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4199081 Citizen_of_Earth Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:55:27 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/#comment-4199081 <blockquote>117. ... Real soldiers that did the actual fighting would never want to put others through that horror. Seems like the hawks are ones who have never seen a front line. Comment by texaslady — December 19, 2007 @ 1:54 pm</blockquote> So true, as stated by many of the great military leaders through out history... "I have known war as few men now living know it. It's very destructiveness on both friend and foe has rendered it useless as a means of settling international disputes." - Douglas MacArthur "I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity." - Dwight D. Eisenhower Only an immoral chickenhawk would send young men and women to a needless death.

117. … Real soldiers that did the actual fighting would never want to put others through that horror. Seems like the hawks are ones who have never seen a front line.

Comment by texaslady — December 19, 2007 @ 1:54 pm

So true, as stated by many of the great military leaders through out history…

“I have known war as few men now living know it. It’s very destructiveness on both friend and foe has rendered it useless as a means of settling international disputes.” – Douglas MacArthur

“I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity.” – Dwight D. Eisenhower

Only an immoral chickenhawk would send young men and women to a needless death.

]]> By: tombaked http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4199078 tombaked Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:53:00 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/#comment-4199078 <em>No way. If you did your research, yes, this officer left active duty, went into the reserves, came back to active duty, and still never got promoted. A washed up lifer. I’ll stick to that. Comment by RUCerious — December 19, 2007 @ 2:13 pm</em> There's that love of the military. I must repeat, that's because only 36% of them get promoted. Rank over service, is that what you're arguing? Because all that service at the ranks of 2Lt/1Lt/Capt/Maj/Lt. Col. makes him washed up, I suppose. And if you had the archives of tp.org in mind, you'd know that even those who make flag rank get bashed pretty hard (Read: David "Betrayus"). Again, care to retract your posting? No way. If you did your research, yes, this officer left active duty, went into the reserves, came back to active duty, and still never got promoted. A washed up lifer. I’ll stick to that.

Comment by RUCerious — December 19, 2007 @ 2:13 pm

There’s that love of the military.

I must repeat, that’s because only 36% of them get promoted. Rank over service, is that what you’re arguing? Because all that service at the ranks of 2Lt/1Lt/Capt/Maj/Lt. Col. makes him washed up, I suppose.

And if you had the archives of tp.org in mind, you’d know that even those who make flag rank get bashed pretty hard (Read: David “Betrayus”).

Again, care to retract your posting?

]]> By: DieNowForPeace http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4199042 DieNowForPeace Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:34:46 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/#comment-4199042 <em>Frank, you would do well to heed those words… Comment by ucsbclassics53</em> Sorry but <strong>Frank M Laden</strong> is as Anti-U.S. as they come. Frank, you would do well to heed those words…

Comment by ucsbclassics53

Sorry but Frank M Laden is as Anti-U.S. as they come.

]]> By: ucsbclassics53 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4199028 ucsbclassics53 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:24:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/#comment-4199028 "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin Frank, you would do well to heed those words... “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
- Benjamin Franklin

Frank, you would do well to heed those words…

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4199014 RUCerious Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:15:30 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/#comment-4199014 In the real world, Vietnam Vets were an active part of the anti-war movement, as they are with the Iraq War. Comment by PeterW — December 19, 2007 @ 1:47 pm Not to bolster the trolls argument, but I was shunned by my former HS friends when I got back, even though I was active in the local anti war movement. Perhaps it had to do with the eleven foot tall chip on my shoulder... In the real world, Vietnam Vets were an active part of the anti-war movement, as they are with the Iraq War.

Comment by PeterW — December 19, 2007 @ 1:47 pm

Not to bolster the trolls argument, but I was shunned by my former HS friends when I got back, even though I was active in the local anti war movement.
Perhaps it had to do with the eleven foot tall chip on my shoulder…

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4199008 RUCerious Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:13:27 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/#comment-4199008 Lt. Col. is a sound officer grade to attain. Care to retract your non-sensical attack? Comment by tombaked — December 19, 2007 @ 1:36 pm No way. If you did your research, yes, this officer left active duty, went into the reserves, came back to active duty, and still never got promoted. A washed up lifer. I'll stick to that. Lt. Col. is a sound officer grade to attain. Care to retract your non-sensical attack?

Comment by tombaked — December 19, 2007 @ 1:36 pm

No way. If you did your research, yes, this officer left active duty, went into the reserves, came back to active duty, and still never got promoted. A washed up lifer. I’ll stick to that.

]]> By: texaslady http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4198984 texaslady Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:03:31 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/#comment-4198984 Southernman re: your uncle that was spat on, did he give the spitter a bloody mouth? I hope so, even if there has never been proof that a vet was actually spat on. Southernman re: your uncle that was spat on, did he give the spitter a bloody mouth? I hope so, even if there has never been proof that a vet was actually spat on.

]]> By: tombaker http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4198982 tombaker Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:01:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/#comment-4198982 Oh gosh, I see my troll-stalker is here too. (message for you, stalker: i'm all up in your head now, and i'm very happy about it) OT- wise; shame on the Cheerleader Prince for putting his country in the shameful position of debating this issue. No red-blooded American Patriot President would ever have dared do so - only someone with a sense of Monarchical Entitlement ever could or would. Oh gosh, I see my troll-stalker is here too. (message for you, stalker: i’m all up in your head now, and i’m very happy about it)

OT- wise; shame on the Cheerleader Prince for putting his country in the shameful position of debating this issue. No red-blooded American Patriot President would ever have dared do so – only someone with a sense of Monarchical Entitlement ever could or would.

]]> By: Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4198981 Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:01:21 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/#comment-4198981 Torture, Treason and Tyranny: that describes the Bush regime to a "T"... Torture, Treason and Tyranny: that describes the Bush regime to a “T”…

]]> By: texaslady http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4198978 texaslady Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:00:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/#comment-4198978 Southernman - The troops have done everything that was asked of them. Sent in with no body armour, inadequate HumVee's, lack of even basics. Wounded were brought home and then forgotten because this President privatized their help. Caskets were not allowed to be seen, not for privacy, but to not be counted. Is this the administration you want to revere? Southernman – The troops have done everything that was asked of them. Sent in with no body armour, inadequate HumVee’s, lack of even basics. Wounded were brought home and then forgotten because this President privatized their help. Caskets were not allowed to be seen, not for privacy, but to not be counted.
Is this the administration you want to revere?

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4198975 Lefty Patriot Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:57:04 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/#comment-4198975 A note: any rightwing troll not posting from Iraq or Afghanistan has no standing. Any rightwing troll posting from the front will get a fair haring, and a lot more respect then the trolls here show the Constitution. A note: any rightwing troll not posting from Iraq or Afghanistan has no standing. Any rightwing troll posting from the front will get a fair haring, and a lot more respect then the trolls here show the Constitution.

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4198970 Lefty Patriot Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:54:39 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/19/filip-waterboarding/#comment-4198970 and avoid blatant ad hominem attacks. Priceless! Comment by DRxJ — December 19, 2007 @ 1:48 pm It's hard to blame the rightards, as they are getting royally screwed by their demi-gods. can't win a war against one of the poorest countries on earth, couldn't defeat the pajama-clad Vietnamese, can't even outlaw abortion or Social Security. Pretty pathetic, that's why they idolize the Nazis, who at least got things done. It's easy to see why they go off the rails at the slightest provocation, since they are, deep-down, well aware of their reason, and very confused as to how they got roped into supporting torture, mass-murder, fundamentalism, fascism, and all the other things they were raised to believe were what America was against. Still, as the party of personal responsibility, they should be able to take the bad news without falling apart. I suppose if they had any courage and fortitude, they would have enlisted by now. and avoid blatant ad hominem attacks.
Priceless!

Comment by DRxJ — December 19, 2007 @ 1:48 pm

It’s hard to blame the rightards, as they are getting royally screwed by their demi-gods. can’t win a war against one of the poorest countries on earth, couldn’t defeat the pajama-clad Vietnamese, can’t even outlaw abortion or Social Security. Pretty pathetic, that’s why they idolize the Nazis, who at least got things done. It’s easy to see why they go off the rails at the slightest provocation, since they are, deep-down, well aware of their reason, and very confused as to how they got roped into supporting torture, mass-murder, fundamentalism, fascism, and all the other things they were raised to believe were what America was against. Still, as the party of personal responsibility, they should be able to take the bad news without falling apart. I suppose if they had any courage and fortitude, they would have enlisted by now.

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