MPAA Rejects ‘Taxi To The Dark Side’ Movie Poster Because It Depicts A Hooded Detainee
MPAA Rejects ‘Taxi To The Dark Side’ Movie Poster Because It Depicts A Hooded Detainee
Alex Gibney’s new critically-acclaimed documentary Taxi to the Dark Side follows the path of Afghan taxi driver Dilawar, who was innocent of any terrorist ties but still “tortured to death by interrogators in the U.S. prison at Bagram Air Base.” It also examines the Bush administration’s torture practices at Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib.
The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) has rejected Taxi’s poster, displayed to the right, as being “not suitable for all audiences.” The poster for the film simply shows two soldiers walking away from the camera, holding a hooded detainee between them. Variety notes that the military has also tried to censor the photo on the poster:
The “Taxi” ad art is actually an amalgam of two pictures. The first, taken by Corbis photographer Shaun Schwarz, features the hooded prisoner and one soldier. Another military figure was added on the left. Ironically, the original Schwarz photo was censored by the military, which erased his camera’s memory. The photographer eventually retrieved the image from his hard drive.
According to ThinkFilm, which produced the documentary, the MPAA objected to the “image of the hood.” Last year, the MPAA also censored the poster for the documentary The Road to Guantanamo, because it showed a detainee “hanging by his handcuffed wrists, with a burlap sack over his head and a blindfold tied around the hood.”
As Gibney notes, Taxi is “not a horror film.” It is “a documentary and that image is a documentary image.” ThinkFilm plans to appeal the MPAA’s ruling.
A look at some of the posters the MPAA has approved as “suitable for all audiences”:
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We can't have the obscenity of reality upsetting the masses.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:10 pmThe truth is scarier than fiction.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:12 pmBut don't you realize--Islamofascists are the scariest boogeymen out there? Half of our trolls sleep with their lights on at night because they expect crazed Jihadis to burst through their doors or grab them from under the bed. And a terrifying hooded Islamofascist would certainly give them nightmares--that's even worse than an evil clown accompanied by a creepy monkey wearing a vest and fez. I'm surprised they allowed the movie to be made at all.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:14 pmFourteen Defining Characteristics of Fascism
#11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:15 pmWhatever get the damn movie out. It's just more evidence that we live in a sanitized, fascist state now. So long as they don't touch the content or the message, it's just a poster.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:16 pmIf it is supposed to be a “documentary,†why do they have to use a doctored photo and add a figure that wasn’t there?
Comment by good_golly — December 19, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
I'm pretty sure that the American flag artwork wasn't there, either. It's poster art, eejit.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:18 pm"who was innocent of any terrorist ties but still “tortured to death by interrogators in the U.S. prison at Bagram Air Base"
And what if anything did they learn to save American lives by torturing this poor soul to death? Nothing? That is exactly what they learn every time these criminals have used torture, NOTHING.
Just more proof that Bush and Cheney need to be featured in a documentary named, "How to hang an ex-president"
Bush/Cheney
Hague Trials '09
Buck Fush
December 19th, 2007 at 5:18 pm*shakes head sadly*
this is the way the world ends
December 19th, 2007 at 5:19 pmI like to photo-shop the hood off, the add a large yellow arrow with lettering saying: NOT HOODED.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:21 pmWhen Dick Cheney saw the poster, he was heard to comment: "So, they have taxis to the Dark Side now? In my day, you had to either walk or take the bus to get there."
December 19th, 2007 at 5:22 pmAnd you ponder why the writers' strike will last a whole lot longer. These folks are serious arbiters of all things fascist and imperial. They will happily promote and sell swill such as horror films and silly princess stories, but run away from xTian militants stalking the Golden Compass, or their Bushco brethren trying to hide facts and honest documentaries; they poopoo any notion that the writers are worthy of receiving reasonable pay for services rendered. Of course the contracts with the Directors Guild of America and the Screen Actors Guild are due to expire early next Spring. It should get interesting.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:22 pmIdiotic Comment by good_golly
Your soul has been doctored, as in sucked out of you completely.
Fascism needs to be stopped, starting with neanderturds like this bad-folly.
Buck Fush
December 19th, 2007 at 5:23 pmCorrect me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that the MPAA is not a government agency. It is a private trade organization. So your attempt at a tie-in to fascism doesn’t work.
Comment by good_golly — December 19, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
So you admit that your knowledge of English is limited? Fascism, you dumb shit, is corporate government. A private trade organization taking on the trappings of governmental censorship is fascism in its purest form. Consider yourself corrected, but still stupid. Thanks for 9/11.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:24 pmIf they doctor the movie poster, I wonder how much else in the movie has been doctored.
Comment by good_golly — December 19, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
Truly one of the stupidest comments made here, and that's a serious record.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:26 pm14...sadly, the christian right didn't need to attack the Golden Compass. The filmmakers did the job for them by making it SUCK! The book is great, however, but hardly anyone reads anymore.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:27 pmComment by good_golly
How is this not fascist? You clearly have no clue as to what a fascist society would look like. The fascist state is the merging of the corporate sector and the government. Propaganda is used to enforce the state's suppression of opposition expression. Fascism isn't simply the government, it's the thousands and millions of swine who act on behalf of the state and enforce it's wishes.
Squeal like a pig you'll be saying
December 19th, 2007 at 5:27 pmWe are a long way from the truth when people think US terror, torture and indefinite imprisonment is photo-shopped.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:29 pmIf they doctor the movie poster, I wonder how much else in the movie has been doctored.
Comment by good_golly
Are you suggesting that the bush administration doesn't render and torture the unfortunate innocents it captures? If you are a proud believer in torture, then why would a movie about torture concern you?
December 19th, 2007 at 5:31 pmTortured women shown OK.
Tortured government victims, not OK.
Lovely.
Although, this may have an unintended consequence. I never would have heard of this film without the censorship. Perhaps this will help boost awareness. You know, negative press.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:31 pmTroll golly-molly, I wonder if you hold the poster up side down it will spell out SATAN!
December 19th, 2007 at 5:32 pmThat is not the historical definition of fascism, Lefty. That is a new definition of fascism promoted by today’s Left who have a problem with modern “corporations†and want to label all corporate executives as Fascists.
Comment by good_golly — December 19, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
Bzzzzt. Thanks for playing, but corporatism is one of the primary components of fascism, historically and otherwise.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:33 pmI love The Google! I suggest you take a moment to call or write to these people and let them know that we do not appreciate their censorship of these images:
Office of the Chairman and CEO
Washington, DC
1600 Eye St., NW
Washington, DC 20006
(202) 293-1966 (main)
(202) 296-7410 (fax)
Los Angeles
15503 Ventura Blvd.
Encino, California 91436
(818) 995-6600 (main)
(818) 382-1795 (fax)
Get busy rabblerousin', people.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:36 pmGG - you are truly tiresome. Why don't you crawl back under your bridge?
December 19th, 2007 at 5:37 pmOffice of the United Nations High Commisioner on Human Rights
It provides a comprehensive critique US administration and its failure to tackle terrorism within existing and adequate legal frameworks. Some of the key findings and recommendations are highlighted below:
- The UN Special Rapporteur concludes that the international fight against terrorism is not a “war†in the true sense of the word, and reminds the United States that even during an armed conflict triggering the application of international humanitarian law, international human rights law continues to apply.
- concludes that the categorization of detainees as “unlawful enemy combatants†is a term of convenience without legal effect. He expresses grave concern about the inability of detainees to seek full judicial review of determinations and loss of habeas corpus rights
- urges continued and determined action towards the expressed wish of the United States to move towards closure of Guantanamo Bay
- notes that the Government’s justification for military commissions is incorrect as a matter of fact because ordinary courts martial have had the jurisdiction to try violations of the laws of armed conflict
- addresses the “extraordinary rendition†of terrorist suspects, and their detention in “classified locationsâ€, and the accountability of those responsible for conducting interrogation by techniques amounting to torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment
- urges the United States to ensure that all its officials and agencies comply with international standards, including article 7 of ICCPR, the Convention against Torture and, in the context of an armed conflict, common article 3 of the Geneva Conventions.
- urges the Government to take transparent steps to ensure that the CIA practice of “extraordinary rendition†is completely discontinued and is not conducted in the future, and that CIA interrogation techniques are regulated in line with the position expressed above in respect of the Army Field Manual.
- urges the Government to restrict definitions of “international terrorismâ€, “domestic terrorism†and “material support to terrorist organizations†in a way that is precise
- urges all States not to act in a manner which might be seen as advocating the use of race and religion for the identification of persons as terrorists.
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/issues/terrorism/rapporteur/srchr.htm
December 19th, 2007 at 5:39 pmIf they doctor the movie poster, I wonder how much else in the movie has been doctored.
Comment by good_golly — December 19, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
If they politicized the DOJ, I wonder how much ELSE they politicized.
If they exposed a US CIA spy, I wonder how much ELSE they exposed.
If Bush LIED about Iraq, I wonder how much ELSE he LIED about.
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 19th, 2007 at 5:39 pmThat is not the historical definition of fascism, Lefty. That is a new definition of fascism promoted by today’s Left who have a problem with modern “corporations†and want to label all corporate executives as Fascists.
Comment by good_golly — December 19, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
23-still stupid.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:40 pm26-irrelevant, not under discussion, evasion.
27-this is fascism, no matter how you try to redefine it. We are aware of the right's propensity for shifting the goalposts, reframing the discussion and redefining the words. We just aren't buying it, since we aren't as easily scared or as gullible as you.
25. Please allow me to help you in your research as to the historic meaning of the word “corporatism.â€
See http://www.sjsu.edu/ faculty/ watkins/ corporatism.htm
Comment by good_golly — December 19, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
Here's some help for you: I G Farben.
'nuff said.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:41 pmDid Frank M get kicked, because the asswipe bad_folly sure sounds like that idiot?
December 19th, 2007 at 5:42 pmOhh Now is the time where you can call me a “Trollâ€. THats about all you can do.
Comment by Hitlery for Dog Catcher — December 19, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
How about "You're a very stupid, very irrelevant, very repellent troll"?
Or, "You're a repulsive little toad."
December 19th, 2007 at 5:43 pmjeez, good golly, you have the support of P. There goes what was left of your thin credibility. It looks like a reacharoind is in order for one of you.
Thanks for 9/11, traitors.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:43 pmYou mean BusHitlery, the MURDERER and COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA?
The one going to Gitmo for his WAR CRIMES?
OK, George...
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 19th, 2007 at 5:43 pmgummitch It must be LOUD in your echo chamber!!
Comment by Hitlery for Dog Catcher — December 19, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
Echo? You mean someone else has called you repulsive? stupid? irrelevant?
I'm not at all surprised.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:45 pmgood golly: "It is a private trade organization. So your attempt at a tie-in to fascism doesn’t work."
There is not a "modern" definition of fascism versus another "historical" definition. Fascism is a combination of corporate money with government power. Every modern fascist government (the term didn't even exist before the 20th century" has featured a collusion between a strong, authoritarian government and certain favored large corporations.
But really, even our own Pentagon and government admits that this man was tortured to death. It's been documented as a profound mistake by our own military. What are you even arguing about?
December 19th, 2007 at 5:45 pmThe BusHitler who is going to BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY for his EVIL?
His MASTER Satan is gonna SMASH BusHitler's face in EVERY SECOND
for ETERNITY...
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
Sincerely, and thanks for 9/11, BusHitlery,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 19th, 2007 at 5:45 pmThanks for 9/11 and the EVIL you have committed in the name of God, BusHitlery!!
Now it's time for you to meet your new MASTER, Satan.
Who will SMASH YOUR FACE IN EVERY SECOND for ETERNITY.
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 19th, 2007 at 5:48 pmsocialism is an excellent balance for capitalism. The combination made this nation strong and rich. the rise of Capitalism as the only system parallels the fall of the American middle class, and the destruction of America's strength on the world stage. You can try to put your scare tactics to work on your retarded wingnut friends, but it won't work here among intelligent, well-read, patriotic Americans. Only you pissy-pants cowards will refuse to defend your country, and refuse to learn what socialism really means. You're such cowards. thanks for 9/11
December 19th, 2007 at 5:48 pmThis is the typical GOPer knee jerk response -- hide it, cover it up, pretend like it's not there and it will just go away. Whenever flat-skulls do this its like shinning a big spotlight on the movie.
Creating a fuss about the poster will only generate interest in the poster and the movie. If this movie has anything to say, I only hope they slap an X-rating on it and try to ban it. This will ensure that it becomes a cultural icon and everyone from coast to coast will pay to see it.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:48 pmgood golly: "That is a new definition of fascism promoted by today’s Left who have a problem with modern “corporations†and want to label all corporate executives as Fascists."
Having "problems" with corporations is a classic American value as I define classic American values. I define classic American values as those consistent with the nation's founders.
Thomas Jefferson said it a long time ago in the 1790's: “I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. â€
December 19th, 2007 at 5:48 pmOh an IDIOT is calling me bad names again because his brain is so dense he can’t come up with an argument.
I’m so worried that you dolts are calling names again.
Comment by Hitlery for Dog Catcher — December 19, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
An argument would be a response to a point. When you actually offer something other than name-calling about stupid socialist American-hating dolts, let us know. Otherwise, take your whiny little piss-soaked carcass back to whatever pitiful "life" you have when you're not annoying your betters.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:49 pmBURN IN HELL for ETERNITY, MURDERER BusHitlery the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA, and thanks for 9/11!!!
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 19th, 2007 at 5:50 pmComment by Hitlery for Dog Catcher — December 19, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
You have been badly missinformed. The posters here love america, they want to see a strong economy with honest business, they love the govt. so much that they won't sit quiet when it's been bastardized so bad, and there is a great respect for religion.
You started off on the wrong foot and expect people to defend against your own created issues.
Why would the presented poster be objected to when far more disturbing posters have gone thru? Doctoring of photos/posters is standard practice and you object to this? On what grounds?
December 19th, 2007 at 5:50 pmNo it is YOU who are you repulsive? stupid? irrelevant?
Comment by Hitlery for Dog Catcher — December 19, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
One minor mystery solved? Could it be Michael? Who never met a question mark he didn't like?
December 19th, 2007 at 5:50 pmI’m so worried that you dolts are calling names again.
Comment by Hitlery for Dog Catcher
You should be worried. History will document that 24% of the American public doesn't mind the Constitution being shredded and the politicalization of all federal offices. History will ask who these 24%r's are, and there you will be.
If 'patriots' like you were around during the 1770s in America, we would all be speaking with a british accent. You would have been too frightened to bother the red coats.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:51 pmHey everyone report this dirt bag and be done with him - Hitlery for Dog Catcher
You can't fix stupid
December 19th, 2007 at 5:51 pmMy GOD AMERICA IS NO BETTER THAN IN 1908
The earliest recorded electortorture device was an American machine called the "hummingbird" (1908), likely nicknamed because it hummed with electrical current as it was applied to the body. We know little about it; it appears in the writings of the anarchist philosopher Emma Goldman, who received letters from prisoners describing its use.
Early 20th-century America was a breeding ground for new ideas in electric torture, many documented by American Bar Association investigators in their 1931 Report on Lawlessness in Law Enforcement. Between 1922 and 1926, the Seattle police chief got his confessions from a cell with a wall-to-wall electrified carpet. "The prisoner leaps, screaming in agony, into the air....It is not fatal, its effects are not lasting, and it leaves no marks," remarked the ABA report. And until 1929, the police in Helena, Ark., used an improvised electrical chair to extract confessions. At the time, the sheriff testified that the chair came with other office furniture, and he had inherited it from "a long line of former county sheriffs."
http://www.cageprisoners.com/articles.php?id=22785
December 19th, 2007 at 5:52 pmOK, just one of those ironic things, off-topic and not to be taken as a way to dump on the original topic. But the original poster art for Saw II was rejected by the MPAA, too. The original poster art showed the same two fingers, but it was more obvious they had been severed from the hand.
Just thought I'd bring it up before good_golly did. Please continue.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:52 pmBURN WITH MORON and TRAITOR Ronald Reagan, TRAITOR BusHitlery!
And thanks for 9/11!!
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 19th, 2007 at 5:52 pmBusHitlery-in-chief!!! TRAITOR to the USA.
And a MORON like TRAITOR Ronald Reagan, now BURNING IN HELL!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Sincererly,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 19th, 2007 at 5:54 pmIf the spread of torture techniques suggests a blurry line between "us" and "them," it also teaches that there's no real boundary between "there" and "here." It would be ignoring history to assume that what happens in an American-run prison in Iraq will stay in Iraq. Soldiers who learn torture techniques abroad get jobs as police when they return, and the new developments in torture you read about today could yet be employed in a neighborhood near you.
In Chicago, in the decade after Vietnam, the use of magnetos and other clean tortures left a disaster: At least 11 men were sentenced to death and many others given long-term prison sentences based on confessions extracted by torture, and in 2003, Governor George Ryan of Illinois commuted the death sentences of all 167 death row inmates. Earlier this month the City of Chicago agreed to pay nearly $20 million to settle lawsuits filed by four former death row inmates who claimed they were tortured and wrongly convicted.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:55 pmGeorge Bush is currently the world's biggest loser, the butt of jokes at home and across the globe, a national and international embarrassment, that only the cultist Romney will even acknowledge, the rest of the repig losers know better. as long as he's in charge, America is the loser. 9/11 was the first act in a horror story of historic proportions, which has destroyed the GOP (the only up side), weakened our country, devastated the military, screwed the middle and working classes, and destroyed our credit and dollar value.
Thanks for 9/11
December 19th, 2007 at 5:55 pm"No it is YOU who are you repulsive? stupid? irrelevant?
Comment by Hitlery for Dog Catcher "
Ahh yes. The Classics. Hfdc goes for the oLD "I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I" gambit.
I believe the traditional rebuttal is "I'm rubber, you're glue"gummitch.
(i know, it's lame, but you have to get down to its level if you want to communicate)
Then, hfdc will counter with "it's opposite day"
Then you counter with "it's double negative opposite day"
Then hfdc runs home crying.
At least that's how it played out back in 4 th grade right hfdc?
December 19th, 2007 at 5:55 pmgood-golly, we're arguing about marketing here. There is probably no picture of this unfortunate individual, but there are photos of people in his position with hoods on their heads. I think you would have to attribute this to "artistic license."
And whether or not the MPAA is a government agency is irrelevant. The people who produced propaganda films for the Third Riech were not technically members of the government. Lani whatshername was an independent film maker who was commissioned by the Nazis to do complimentary documentaries about Hitler and his movement.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:56 pmGreat come back for a Socialist. You are everything I knew you would be.
Comment by Hitlery for Dog Catcher — December 19, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
yes, your superior in every way.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:56 pmI love it when someone of your high quality can’t even debate a… what was it again? Look back a few posts.
This would be the best Christmas Gift yet!
Comment by Hitlery for Dog Catcher — December 19, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
not possible to debate a fll-fledged retqard, that's why you're being flagged. your lies and fantasies are contributing nothing, as usual, p. you'll be gone soon enough.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:58 pmIf this is a “documentary,†and not a work of fiction, why doctor anything? Isn’t the truth enough? If the poster is doctored, how much of the rest of the movie is fictional?
Comment by good_golly
It is called poetic or creative license. You are picking nits, here. If you think the movie has merit, then go see it. If you don't believe the movie has merit, then stay away. That's the cool part of America, we get to choose.
Speaking of 'doctored' images, do you want to talk about "Mission Accomplished"? I didn't think so.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:58 pmTroll haiku no 3
I can't get a job
December 19th, 2007 at 5:59 pmDoes mommy really hate me?
Better post on tp
Ahem. Why is anyone paying attention to "hitlery?" He's already shown on another discussion that he's got nuthin'. Just ignore him and let him rave. He'll eventually go away convinced that he's won the day. So what?
December 19th, 2007 at 6:00 pmCheck the front page of the independent today
Slave labour that shames America
http://www.independent.co.uk/
Three Florida fruit-pickers, held captive and brutalised by their employer for more than a year, finally broke free of their bonds by punching their way through the ventilator hatch of the van in which they were imprisoned. Once outside, they dashed for freedom.
When they found sanctuary one recent Sunday morning, all bore the marks of heavy beatings to the head and body. One of the pickers had a nasty, untreated knife wound on his arm. Police would learn later that another man had his hands chained behind his back every night to prevent him escaping, leaving his wrists swollen.
ONLY OBAMA WILL TOUCH THIS STORY - HILLARY IGNORES IT
December 19th, 2007 at 6:02 pmWork of fiction, good-golly-what-a-bonehead? You mean like all of Fox News? One of your favorite sources of "news," no doubt.
December 19th, 2007 at 6:03 pmre 74
you're right, of course. I tried the high road on another thread but got sucked down into the gutter by him (repressed republican imagery intended)
December 19th, 2007 at 6:03 pmbut I don’t think it has a place in what purports to be a factually accurate documentary.
Comment by good_golly
And you base this opinion on what? The poster? really? Is your attention span too short to sit through a screening?
December 19th, 2007 at 6:05 pmComment by good_golly — December 19, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
If you can find some issue with the truthfullness of the film itself let me know. Until then, you can continue to discuss the irrelevant artwork on the cover in your thought vacuum.
December 19th, 2007 at 6:05 pmGood-golly-you-are-annoying, quit with the assumption that the documentary is now a work of fiction. Yes, we all know it's rule no. 1 in the republiscum playbook to discredit something that has never been seen because it might shed a poor light on things you people cherish (such as senseless wars, murder, torture, and killing our troops for same), but, like you, your posts are tiresome and without merit.
December 19th, 2007 at 6:06 pmWhat a bunch of hypocritical tools.
December 19th, 2007 at 6:06 pm68. General Ripper. This film may very well be a propoganda film, but it was not made for the government. I understand the concept of “artistic license†but I don’t think it has a place in what purports to be a factually accurate documentary.
Comment by good_golly — December 19, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
Other than pure speculation on your part, what artistic license has occurred in a "factually accurate documentary"? The poster is not the film. The poster is, well, the poster. Artwork designed to catch people's interest in the film. Posters are NOT intended to be "accurate".
December 19th, 2007 at 6:08 pmAnd this is a surprise coming from an agency who's sole job it is to CENSOR movies for the government???
LOL!!!
December 19th, 2007 at 6:08 pmplaying good cop bad cop, good_golly?
December 19th, 2007 at 6:08 pmBush coverups: "ONLY OBAMA WILL TOUCH THIS STORY - HILLARY IGNORES IT"
So you're saying Hillary Clinton now santions illegal slave labor? Hmmmm. Wow, she sounds really evil.
December 19th, 2007 at 6:09 pmWhy would anyone give a crap about good golly's opinion of this poster? It's art to promote the movie. Every poster made includes some reality some artwork, some text, assorted pics. The reality is that people are being tortured by the U.S. govt. They doctor the news, doctor their press conferences, doctor the intelligence... if this poster is a recreation of the facts that would make it even more appropriate. The only thing that detracts from that appropriateness is that the poster still reflects reality... something that rarely comes out of the Bush administration. But at least all of this controversy will just make the movie more watched.
December 19th, 2007 at 6:11 pmCorrect me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that the MPAA is not a government agency. It is a private trade organization. So your attempt at a tie-in to fascism doesn’t work.
Comment by good_golly
To think that there is no government connection is naive... to say the least.
For years, the head of the MPAA was Jack Valenti...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Valenti
December 19th, 2007 at 6:12 pm
#83: I don't believe it. But nice effort at trying to appear informed, when indeed you are just here to give people who actually love this country the finger. You are likely one who loves the republiscum party more than you do your country, because republiscums reflect the ideals that matter to you most: War, murder, torture, fascism, bigotry and hate.
December 19th, 2007 at 6:14 pmWhat a bunch of hypocritical tools.
Comment by Anonymouse — December 19, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
Tell it to your mother, if you know who she is.
December 19th, 2007 at 6:16 pmYou trolls are probably ready to ban Aladin and his monkey from the movies because it glorifies Muslim culture, not to mention the big bad sword wielding sultan's guards.
December 19th, 2007 at 6:27 pmCan’t we do better?
Comment by good_golly — December 19, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
I doubt you can but the majority of posters here do better each day. You have to put aside your allegiance to your party and honestly look at their actions. You must know that you wouldn't stand for any of this b.s. if it was being done by a Democrat administration. Grow up & be honest & maybe you can contribute.
December 19th, 2007 at 6:27 pmIf this is a “documentary,†and not a work of fiction, why doctor anything? Isn’t the truth enough? If the poster is doctored, how much of the rest of the movie is fictional?
Comment by good_golly
A lesson in filmmaking. The people who make documentaries are in the business of trying to discover and present the truth. They fact check and then fact check again. They may have a point of view or a point they'd like to make, but they don't in general doctor the facts. Distributors who buy these films and release them are in business to make a profit. If the films happen to educate the public and do some good while they make the distributor money, that's an added bonus. But it isn't the distributor's primary aim. It may have been the aim of the filmmaker (and in this case I can tell you it was.) But it is the marketing department of the distributor who is in charge of coming up with a poster to sell the film. I can assure you, you will never see an image that looks anything like that poster in the film "Taxi to the Dark Side." The poster is meant to entice a passerby enough to make them interested in seeing a movie that is not a work of fiction - not an easy thing to do. And I'd say its a pretty cool poster. Only a moron would think that movie posters for non-fiction films can't be stylized.
December 19th, 2007 at 6:44 pmWell, this discussion has been lowered to nothing but juvenile name calling by “both sides.†Can’t we do better?
Comment by good_golly — December 19, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
Oh, look everyone, this piece of dirt is now going to take the "high road." Puhleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez. Go away, traitor. How's that for doing better? The U.S. tolerated your ilk for way too long. You played nasty, you played unfair, you were the schoolyard bully. We tried to be nice to you. It didn't work. We should have been nasty to begin with. We should have fought your kind hard and mean from the get-go before you got a toe-hold on our society and started destroying it from within. Now is the time to fight to wrench our country out of the hands of traitors like you.
December 19th, 2007 at 6:54 pmNothing like free speech in the regime of no dissent.
December 19th, 2007 at 6:56 pmLet's check the facts, or better said, lesson time:
According to the American Heritage Dictionary:
"A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism."
According to Publiceye.org>
Fascism is a form of extreme right-wing ideology that celebrates the nation or the race as an organic community transcending all other loyalties. It emphasizes a myth of national or racial rebirth after a period of decline or destruction. To this end, fascism calls for a "spiritual revolution" against signs of moral decay such as individualism and materialism, and seeks to purge "alien" forces and groups that threaten the organic community.
The Wiki entry reads:
When someone here brings up the 14 Points of Fascism, we do so (or at least I do so) to help articulate the argument that as a society, we are headed down the path that will lead to a Fascist state. When we look at the Fascist regimes of history (Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Franco’s Spain, Salazar’s Portugal, Papadopoulos’s Greece, Pinochet’s Chile, and Suharto’s Indonesia), we find the close support of the business community to the government to bring about change.
Lesson over, class dismissed.
December 19th, 2007 at 7:01 pmSo you’re saying Hillary Clinton now santions illegal slave labor? Hmmmm. Wow, she sounds really evil.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
I'm very fond of your posts, along with some others I think you are the smartest poster in TP, so I don't understand why are you devotedly interested in defending Hillary Clinton.
Aren't any other candidates out there that are far better than Clinton?
This is a concern I have with the greatest respect.
December 19th, 2007 at 7:09 pmThe MPAA seem further from being in possession of any kind of clue with each passing day.
December 19th, 2007 at 7:25 pmThis is a concern I have with the greatest respect.
Comment by Juan C. — December 19, 2007 @ 7:09 pm
While I can't speak for the Col., I do believe I hold his same opinion. The people on this blog make Hillary to be some sort of evil robot, which she is not. People often compare her to Bush, say she is a pharmaceutical sell out, and there is often even greater respect given to Ron Paul or Huckabee, all of which I think is ridiculous,.
While I cannot say she is perfect in many ways, I do believe what she offers as president is far better than any of the Republicans canidates.
December 19th, 2007 at 7:34 pmIt is also far more realistic to accept Hillary, will all of her flaws, than it is to hope for some long shot.
ROFL
Comment by Hitlery for Dog Catcher — December 19, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
Running out for liquor?
December 19th, 2007 at 7:41 pmJuan, good question. If I can piggy back off that (and I apologize for being a little off topic) I saw a program last night (Independent Lens) on PBS about Ralph Nader. Before you roll your eyes everyone, I have never been a big fan of his, other than admiring his commitment to activism and protection of the common person and environment against big business. However, in this program he did say something which really resonated with me, and I will paraphrase here, when it comes to electing a President (or any other elected official) why should the American people be satisfied with the "lesser of two evils?" Why are we so stuck on just two parties? Why don't the American people demand better? Is our Republic or experiment with democracy so meaningless that we have to accept the status quo?
I for one, cannot wait for the day when we will have a system where there are multiple candidates and term limits for every office (eliminating the career politician), and our election of the President is based on popular vote, and not some antiquated system from the hose and buggy days.
For what it is worth, I think he also hit the nail on the head when he said "We have a government of the Exxons, by the General Motors…â€
Anyway, my question and some food for thought.
December 19th, 2007 at 7:41 pmSpeaking only for myself, I think Hillary is my least favorite, among Democrats. That being said, I'd vote for a potted plant before any Republican who doesn't demonstrate his/her utter contempt for the neocons who stole their party.
For the first time in my life I'm going to vote a "straight ticket". All the local Reps are neocon tools. Plus, I think a Democratic "super-majority" is the only way to bring the criminals down and I will support it in spite of misgivings. I guess I find it hard to believe that the feared "socialism", of the Democrats, poses much threat compared to a failure to repudiate the Bush Administration.
December 19th, 2007 at 7:45 pmFrom the MPAA home page:
"The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) and its international counterpart, the Motion Picture Association (MPA) serve as the voice and advocate of the American motion picture, home video and television industries, domestically through the MPAA and internationally through the MPA. Today, these associations represent not only the world of theatrical film, but serve as leader and advocate for major producers and distributors of entertainment programming for television, cable, home video and future delivery systems not yet imagined.
Founded in 1922 as the trade association of the American film industry, the MPAA has broadened its mandate over the years to reflect the diversity of an ever changing and expanding industry. The initial task assigned to the association was to stem criticism of American movies, which were then silent, and to restore a more favorable public image for the motion picture business. Today the association continues to advocate for strong protection of the creative works produced and distributed by the industry, fights copyright theft around the world, and provides leadership in meeting new and emerging industry challenges. "
I don't see any mention of censorship in its statement. Looks like someone took it upon themselves to add extra-curricular activities (at the behest of ????).
December 19th, 2007 at 7:49 pmWe need to do a little "follow the money" and find out how Righty's political agenda found a home @ the mpaa, a notoriously crooked outfit in the first place.
December 19th, 2007 at 8:08 pmIn any case, this should make the poster a collectors item. There’s probably at least one on e-bay by now.
Comment by good_golly — December 19, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
Frank/Jake, you are a moron.
December 19th, 2007 at 8:13 pmThere is a classic, award-winning doc series about World War 2 called Victory At Sea.
Even though many of the naval battles took place in the ocean.
Applying good-riddances' degree of logic, the whole documentary is a sham.
In related news, Michael Moore didn't REALLY sit next to the skeletons of people who died in a waiting room. Ignore Sicko, cause THE POSTER is a lie.
The smoke from the smokestack in the poster for An Inconvenient Truth is obviously Photoshopped. Therefore, Al Gore = big fat liar head.
"Triumph of the Will?" Puh-leeze. There's nobody named Will in the entire movie!
Troy Duffy never put a camera to his head ala the poster for Overnight, so obviously all the content must be horssh!t.
The Kid Stays in the Picture? LIES! Robert Evans is NOT A DRAWING!!! No drawing could have that much sex with Ali MacGraw! It would smudge like cuh-razy!
Startup dot com? NO PERIOD is that big! LIES!
In case you're wondering, good golly, YES, YOU SOUND THAT STUPID.
December 19th, 2007 at 8:15 pmThose damn Hollywood liberals...
December 19th, 2007 at 8:37 pmTo my eye, the stripes of an American flag merging into the shadows of the soldiers and the captive are what really scared the bejeesus out of the MPAA ....
Accountability can be a very scary thing to the perpetrators of crimes against humanity....
December 19th, 2007 at 8:45 pmthis poster with one or two American soldiers depicts the truth, because the fact of the matter is, our soldiers have been doing this to all sorts of people since 9/11. This is what America has become under this administration and the administration before. Bill Clinton had people renditioned so that they could be tortured.
We have become what our fathers fought against in WWII. Now we are the fiends who waterboard, and freeze, and hang people by their wrists. And it doesn't matter if they are innocent or guilty. If we get them by whatever means, including paying for them, then we are going to torture them.
December 19th, 2007 at 8:48 pmSome background information:
By doing this to others, we have tacitly approved it being done to us.
December 19th, 2007 at 8:48 pmObviously not suitable for all ages. Children are in their brain washing mind control years, thats why we have socialist public education. They are being educated to respect government. Government=Good. The image on the poster is not consistent with this message.
Today, us Adults are being given a glimpse of what it is like to be under Fascist control. A planned phase in the conditioning process preparing us for Totalitarian Socialism in a one World Government. Socialists care about Mother Earth and it's critters, Fascists makes wars, put hoods on innocent people, ignore victims of disasters like Katrina, etc. Democracy leads to Fascism.
Of course, the Socialism they have in mind also includes some nasties and reduced living standards for Americans. We still have some more conditioning to go, might be a Depression, War, even a Health scare like Pandemic Flu or Ebola, etc. After that, we will welcome the UN government to come in and rescue us (they won't actually have to come in, they are already here pretending to be our Democratic leaders, but they will wear their UN hats).
The last 7 years have been about trashing Americas image and Democracy, both to foreigners as well as Americans, as part of the conditioning process for the One World Socialist Government (there may be an element that actually wants Fascism, but in any event, it will be a Totalitarian -ism of one sort or another). It's something like that, how else to explain it.?
Now, people will argue, how can they convince anyone Socialism is good when it has always failed? And they will tell you that in order for Socialism to work, it has to be global socialism. The Statist Socialism that existed in China and the Soviet Union could not succeed because they had to spend too much on external threats (and we would not do free trade with them unless thye went to a market economy). And democracy can not succeed since it never has before, always leading to anarchy and then tyranny, or just straight on to tyranny.
Of course, they will not talk about the alternative, which is a One World Democratic Republic, which was what our Founding Fathers gave us (w/o the one world) and was smashed in 2 stages by Wilson and FDR, when we became social democrats and economic fascists wearing the mask of Democracy. See, a democratic republic has a Middle Class, and they want a 2 class system, the elite, and the servants. Thats how they get people in the MSM to go along, with the promise of being one of the elite, and the fear of an Anthrax letter.
December 19th, 2007 at 8:49 pmI think this poster should be used all over the internet.
As the ghost of christmas past told Scrooge as he tried to put out the light of truth, "truth lives, truth lives, truth lives....."
December 19th, 2007 at 8:51 pmAhh, fool, so it is Clinton's fault, again?
Have any specific incidents you can cite, or is this a baseless accusation served up solely for the purpose of exhonorating Bush on the theory that two wrongs make everything allright.
Besides, didn't Bush run on the promise that He would be better than Clinton? So why is it that folks like you are constantly having to justfiy Bush's actions with the mantra "Clinton did it, too"?
December 19th, 2007 at 8:55 pmAs if... BIG IF, people are going to forget the abuse of prisioners on Abu Graib, Guantanamo and US's secret prisons! Speacially when you have CIA destroying evidence of TORTURE, and the AG refusing to name Waterboarding for what it is: War crime, Torture! And Speacially when WAR CRIMINALS are still in the White House.
December 19th, 2007 at 9:02 pmWhy would he need to cite anything for you ?
Has something happened since the last 5 times you asked for and received those exact same references about renditions starting under Clinton ?
Nobody has memory or learning problems like that. So you would appear to be once again pretending that every reference available for the history of this program is invisible to you. Supremely lame.
Comment by Kilo — December 19, 2007 @ 9:15 pm
what bullshit is that? I haven't seen any references to Clinton's renditions up to this point, not that I doubt it, but your attitude is typical authoritarian bluster. Put up, or shut up.
December 19th, 2007 at 9:39 pmReally Kilo that's the game you people play when you have no evidence. You say you posted it before and you're not going to do it again. What a crock.
December 19th, 2007 at 9:47 pmI just Googled "rendition + clinton" the first hit, citing and linking to the ACLU shows that "Extraordinary Rendition" did start in the early 1990's.
However if you take the time to read all the information there, it concludes by saying:
The Department of Justice's arguments notwithstanding, the extraordinary rendition program is illegal. It is clearly prohibited by the United Nations Convention Against Torture and Other Forms of Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment, ratified by the United States in 1992, and by congressionally enacted policy giving effect to CAT. As Congress made clear, it is the policy of the United States not to:
Foreign Affairs Reform and Restructuring Act of 1998, ("FARRA"), Pub. L. No. 105-277, § 2242, 112 Stat. 2681 (Oct. 21, 1998), reprinted in 8 U.S.C. § 1231, Historical and Statutory Notes (1999) (emphasis added).
December 19th, 2007 at 9:56 pmComment by Hitlery for Dog Catcher — December 19, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
Flagged and flagged some more - what an idiot.
December 19th, 2007 at 10:27 pm...uh, this would be false-advertising any other way :(
December 19th, 2007 at 11:21 pmRendition was originally carried out on a limited basis, but after September 11th, when President Bush declared a global war on terrorism, the program expanded beyond recognition—becoming, according to a former C.I.A. official, “an abomination.†What began as a program aimed at a small, discrete set of suspects—people against whom there were outstanding foreign arrest warrants—came to include a wide and ill-defined population that the Administration terms “illegal enemy combatants.†Many of them have never been publicly charged with any crime. Scott Horton, an expert on international law who helped prepare a report on renditions issued by N.Y.U. Law School and the New York City Bar Association, estimates that a hundred and fifty people have been rendered since 2001.
Outsourcing Torture
December 19th, 2007 at 11:53 pmThe secret history of America’s “extraordinary rendition†program.
by Jane Mayer February 14, 2005
"Frank/Jake, you are a moron."
Good golly isn't Frank/Jake. He is Mr. P. He says the most outrageous things and then once in awhile says something almost rational. It is certainly Mr. P.
December 20th, 2007 at 12:01 amUmm, righty trolls, I know it is your job to obfuscate but how many non-fiction books have fictional cover-art? Almost all of them? Ding-ding-ding!!!
December 20th, 2007 at 12:05 am"Why would he need to cite anything for you ?
Has something happened since the last 5 times you asked for and received those exact same references about renditions starting under Clinton ?"
Hold on...are you claiming rendition is all good because Clinton did it? If you only listened to righties you would think Slick Willy was damn near perfect!!! I mean all actions by their current god are somehow valid because "Clinton did it". Really, I had no idea you guys idolized him that much.
December 20th, 2007 at 12:09 amWhat is your definition of patriotic OB?
December 20th, 2007 at 1:20 amI am guessing it is closer to the definition of jingoism than patriotism in the old Webster's.
December 20th, 2007 at 1:23 amTinyfoot knows patriotism like the rest of us know quantum electrodynamics. Physicists, shut up.
December 20th, 2007 at 1:26 amI wasn’t defining patriotism, I was defining what was un-patriotic.
It is un-patriotic to malign our troops during wartime. It is un-patriotic to demoralize the troops, it is un-patriotic to embolden our enemies.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 20, 2007 @ 1:38 am
Is it unpatriotic to disagree with your government?
December 20th, 2007 at 1:50 amIs it unpatriotic to speak out against torture?
December 20th, 2007 at 1:51 amIt is un-patriotic to malign our troops during wartime. It is un-patriotic to demoralize the troops, it is un-patriotic to embolden our enemies.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 20, 2007 @ 1:38 am
Tinyfoot, it's unpatriotic to hide behind the troops while sniveling your faux patriotism. Truly a sickening sight. You fool no one here.
December 20th, 2007 at 1:52 amI wasn’t defining patriotism, I was defining what was un-patriotic.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 20, 2007 @ 1:38 am
Last time I checked, this was America, buddy. What the hell country are you talking about?
December 20th, 2007 at 1:52 am"It is un-patriotic to malign our troops during wartime. It is un-patriotic to demoralize the troops, it is un-patriotic to embolden our enemies."
I am guessing you mean (by demoralizing the troops) you mean criticizing the political mission, right? Otherwise, I have only heard the most retarded of left-wingers "maligning" our troops. I find it more disgusting that you righties support this war to the hilt but you would never fight it. Talk about maligning the troops.
December 20th, 2007 at 1:53 amI wasn’t defining patriotism, I was defining what was un-patriotic.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 20, 2007 @ 1:38 am
Hey genius, what if the troops speak out against torture? Or the FBI? Is that unpatriotic too?
December 20th, 2007 at 1:55 am"Hey genius, what if the troops speak out against torture? Or the FBI? Is that unpatriotic too?"
Of course, patriotism is restricted to those who have more than 4 mini-American flags. Because if your whole family is waving them at the 4th of July parade it proves your patriotism (even if you wipe your a$$ with the Constitution every day of the year like OB)
December 20th, 2007 at 1:58 am:I’m selling hairshirts if anyone needs one….I think Bart’s already got his on."
Pretty sure the Flagelants were pretty conservative. If you don't think so...you are kinda dumb.
December 20th, 2007 at 2:00 am"Did I say it was un-patriotic to disagree with your government?"
No, you disguised it in the BS that liberals were smearing the troops. But nobody has. They have blamed that motherf^cker Bush. But you can't tell the difference.
December 20th, 2007 at 2:04 am"Did I say it was un-patriotic to speak out against torture?"
So, OB, what are your thoughts on waterboarding?
December 20th, 2007 at 2:05 amTypical 'tard. Come on strong, throwing accusations of maligning and undermining, then start weaseling: "did I say this? did I say that?" Get the hell out of my trench, maggot.
December 20th, 2007 at 2:08 am"That makes you a liar, Sabyen91."
Of course it doesn't. That is exactly what you said.
December 20th, 2007 at 2:08 am"No, you retard.
Were you saying you like touching up little boys in your post that doesn’t feature you saying this ?"
LOL, kilo, you are so...special.
December 20th, 2007 at 2:09 amLOL, OB, are you stoned? Oops, you are a Republican. Pills are your drugs of choice. I have been around far longer than you. I generally don't follow every single stupid thing you say. And yes...the US does torture, and when it becomes inconvenient we send them to f^cking Syria and Czechoslovakia.
December 20th, 2007 at 2:13 am"Re-read your words, especially the part where you assert no liberals have smeared the troops.
There’s your lie."
Ok, OB, show me where a liberal has smeared the troops (and I mean someone who actually posts here and not some driveby fake).
December 20th, 2007 at 2:14 amDid I say it was un-patriotic to speak out against torture?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 20, 2007 @ 2:03 am
No, you just couched it in the typical right-wing language of "emboldening our enemies." So does speaking out against torture embolden our enemies? Does voicing dissent embolden our enemies?
December 20th, 2007 at 2:17 am"Sorry, Sabyen..more lies on your part.
The United States does not torture."
That is just F^cking stupid. Are you really that moronic?
December 20th, 2007 at 2:18 amOB, rendition is pretty convenient, eh?
December 20th, 2007 at 2:19 amOB, I am going to go ahead and volunteer to waterboard you. I just want your honest opinion after you experience it.
December 20th, 2007 at 2:20 amYou know what I think emboldens our enemies, Bigfoot? Got any guesses? Let's see....how many terrorists do you suppose our invasion of Iraq has CREATED?
December 20th, 2007 at 2:22 am"Just one? That’s ridiculously easy. Lefty Patriot. His disdain for the United States’ military is profound."
Not so fast. Where is the quote?
December 20th, 2007 at 2:23 amYou can keep lying, OB, but I don't see liberals calling the troops babykillers. You can keep deluding yourself, but...it just makes you look stupid.
December 20th, 2007 at 2:27 amOB, you STILL have not given any quotes. You can rant at bob lahblah all you want but you are still full of sh!t. You can't find a quote from any regular here maligning the troops. And yet, you still try to make the claim. It is embarassing.
December 20th, 2007 at 2:30 amYou are the one that maligns the troops, OB. You support the mission but you would NEVER think about signing up. What does that say about you?
December 20th, 2007 at 2:32 am"Then you, along with most libs, are merely sticking your head in the sand and ignoring all that is around you. You hide your lies by projecting them on everyone else.
You really need to read this blog more before you start defending your cohorts. Defending the indefensible makes you look like a fellow hater."
I have read it plenty. And commented plenty. I am still waiting for a quote. Hmm???
December 20th, 2007 at 2:37 amWhenever the left maligns the troops, whenever the left calls for the public hanging of our elected representatives, whenever the left calls for impeachment, whenever the left calls for the United States’ immediate surrender in Iraq, it emboldens our enemies.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 20, 2007 @ 2:28 am
December 20th, 2007 at 2:38 amThere you go again, maggot.
Don't bother, Marlow. He can't even find one instance of anti-troopism here. I am surprised. I am sure Billy Hill has said something negative.
December 20th, 2007 at 2:43 am"I will suggest it once again, so consider yourself forwarned: Read some more of this blog before you start defending your liberal cohorts, lest you be confused for one who despises our military as well.
There is no reason I should have to hold your hand, Sabyen."
I will say again. Give me a quote from a TP regular. You obviously can't. You are nothing but monkey throwing his own feces.
December 20th, 2007 at 2:44 amWhenever the left maligns the troops, whenever the left calls for the public hanging of our elected representatives, whenever the left calls for impeachment, whenever the left calls for the United States’ immediate surrender in Iraq, it emboldens our enemies.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 20, 2007 @ 2:28 am
Uh...we're not calling for "surrender"; we're calling for withdrawal. But nice couching, again.
December 20th, 2007 at 2:44 amAnd who's maligning the troops when they're not given adequate body armor or health care?
And when an administration invades a country unjustly, perhaps impeachment is the only answer.
Personally I'm not calling for public hangings---I'd just like to see a return to justice and accountability which this administration has run roughshod over.
OB, I have no doubt you like the military. They are doing the job you, yourself refuse to do. Not sure if you feel you are too good for the job or are too cowardly.
December 20th, 2007 at 2:45 amQuote, OB. Still waiting.
December 20th, 2007 at 2:46 amOB, you are such a typical righty. You can make all these accusations (like your pathetic pig-god, Rush) but you can't actually back it up. You are pathetic. You wouldn't know the Constitution if is slapped you in the face. You are just worthless.
December 20th, 2007 at 2:50 amWell, not worthless, maybe. Just a BAD American.
December 20th, 2007 at 2:54 amIf you guys are going to indulge Biggie, then at least put him in his place by demanding he live up to his own standards.
Biggie - You know damned good and well there are a # of combat vets who post here regularly, and take extreme exception to your repeated and shameless use of the "troop-hater" strawman. If YOU really gave them the respect they deserve, you'd have taken Rush, et al. to task for their cowardly and reprehensible "phony soldier" slanders.
You did not, and that's far from the only example of your treachery and duplicity. I'd like to know which of the "rules", with which you so imperiously expect others to comply, you would actually have the integrity to follow yourself.
Yet you won't. Like an Arch-Righty, "the rules" are something you apply capriciously and arbitrarily to others, while reserving your freedom to pick and choose which will apply to you, and when.
When held up to the light of your own standards, you yourself present a pretty damned poor example. In light of that, your mawkish, holier-than-thou self-righteousness is far more a clown-suit than a suit of crusader's armor.
Our veterans deserve better than Biggie in their corner.
December 20th, 2007 at 2:56 amtom, I think I am doing just fine against him.
December 20th, 2007 at 2:59 am"You don’t need to ask him this. The very definition of the program and why it was established answers this.
It will also continue to be just as convenient, since nobody has proposed ending this bipartisan program, nor closing the pathetic loophole that has allowed it to operate throughout the full terms of 2 administrations."
You try to say this is bipartisan. It has nothing to do with Dems. It is supposed to be secret (guess that didn't work out the way Buxh wanted). Yeah, the Dems are pussies but apparantly Congress can't tell Bush what to do (according to Bush's EO's). I hope you are proud of your facist leaders. Congratulations!!!!!
December 20th, 2007 at 3:06 amRendition was originally carried out on a limited basis, but after September 11th, when President Bush declared a global war on terrorism, the program expanded beyond recognition—becoming, according to a former C.I.A. official, “an abomination.†What began as a program aimed at a small, discrete set of suspects—people against whom there were outstanding foreign arrest warrants—came to include a wide and ill-defined population that the Administration terms “illegal enemy combatants.†Many of them have never been publicly charged with any crime. Scott Horton, an expert on international law who helped prepare a report on renditions issued by N.Y.U. Law School and the New York City Bar Association, estimates that a hundred and fifty people have been rendered since 2001.
Outsourcing Torture
The secret history of America’s “extraordinary rendition†program.
by Jane Mayer February 14, 2005
Posted again for the edification of the righties. Rendition was NOT practiced in the previous administration in anything like the form it is now. Talk about your moral relativism: "Clinton did it (lie), so we can do it now!". Like somebody said a while back you 'tards should be kissing his beanbag and lining up outside his library. Everything your fearless leader does that y'all support and defend seems to have come from his administration.
December 20th, 2007 at 3:10 amCongrats, Rebuplican trolls. You are abominations...according to the CIA!!! You do know how bad that is, right?
December 20th, 2007 at 3:12 amOk, folks, going to bed. People, just insist OB prove his assertions. He can't. Night.
December 20th, 2007 at 3:19 amWell folks, Ive had just about as much wingnut cravenness and mealy-mouthedness as I can handle. I'm going downstairs to sleep with my wife. Dream dreams of bathroom stalls and teenage boys, 'tards. Nitey nite! ;)
December 20th, 2007 at 3:22 amHow in the hell does the military have the right to censor anything?
December 20th, 2007 at 8:53 amComment by good_golly
How is this not fascist? You clearly have no clue as to what a fascist society would look like. The fascist state is the merging of the corporate sector and the government. Propaganda is used to enforce the state’s suppression of opposition expression. Fascism isn’t simply the government, it’s the thousands and millions of swine who act on behalf of the state and enforce it’s wishes.
Thanks for giving this twit a civics lesson. 'It' appears to be a bit thicker than the average troll....
December 20th, 2007 at 9:07 amCALL CORREY BERNARD AT THE MPAA OFFICE IN LA AND ASK HER WHY THEY ARE MAKING POLITICAL STATEMENTS IN SUPPORT OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION:
December 20th, 2007 at 9:31 am818-995-6600
IgnoranceIsNotBliss makes a very good point. One that should be read again. # 192
December 20th, 2007 at 9:44 amthose three examples of other posters aren't even the worst. check out this one from "the hills have eyes 2":
http://www.moviecentre.net/photo-gallery/The-Hills-Have-Eyes-II/hills_have_eyes_two
December 20th, 2007 at 10:06 amYou can find related content on http://www.matecube.com
December 20th, 2007 at 5:06 pmInteresting poster.
December 20th, 2007 at 5:07 pmvery interersting movie on the mpaa_
VERY
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-559517494445537267
December 21st, 2007 at 6:55 pmWe live in an illusion of freedom. Everyday we see movies and posters and even kids video games that are posted, published and allowed to be shown that depict violence, sex, and murder. So at what point do we draw the line. This is a documentary that shows real life and real events, if they don't want it shown or aired; then must be some truth in it, and they don't want us to know the truth. Certain figures of the govermnet have chosen to keep us blind to certain realities and this is no different. This is just another attempt to treat us like mushrooms.... fed shit and kept in the dark. Wake up America see what has been going on right under ur eyes. and just so everyone knows I support the troops but not the war, and for those who have chosen to do the unspeakable to prisoners, you may not answer to our laws but YOU WILL BE JUDGED but the one who does matter, and for those who ordered such things to be done, don't think cause u didn't get ur hands dirty that you are not just as guilty if not ur worse for ordering someone else to do ur dirty work.
January 14th, 2008 at 12:04 pmAs far as those who commented that the photo was doctored, are u kidding me, ur missing the whole picture, its not about a photo but the truth that lies in it and the film.
Also wanted to add I am proud to be an American, and I believe that we should help those who can't help themselves.......
January 14th, 2008 at 12:14 pmBut lets not forget we can help with out taking away the voice of those we are helping. There will always be wars and fighting just don't forget what ur fighting for. Don't loose sight of ur objective and be true about ur intentions.
We say God Bless America, when was the last time we as a nation have truly prayed for anything? We have taken God and tossed him aside, and now we wonder why we are stumbling in the dark, it's because we have tossed away the one true light in this world “GOD".