Comments on: Former CIA Lawyer: ‘If A Tape Is Not Safe In The CIA, We’re In Trouble’ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:04:02 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: EuroTrash http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/comment-page-2/#comment-4202744 EuroTrash Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:59:25 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/#comment-4202744 Its already been proven that waterboarding and tough interrogations saved lives. Get over it. Clearly your whinig is not changing policy because the American people are not pansies like you and understand that tough times call for harsh methods against terrorists. Meanwhile <strong>real torture</strong> continues, and yet the left is of course silent: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/21/wqaeda121.xml Its already been proven that waterboarding and tough interrogations saved lives. Get over it. Clearly your whinig is not changing policy because the American people are not pansies like you and understand that tough times call for harsh methods against terrorists.

Meanwhile real torture continues, and yet the left is of course silent:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/21/wqaeda121.xml

]]> By: sacopenapa http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/comment-page-2/#comment-4201464 sacopenapa Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:27:21 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/#comment-4201464 <blockquote>There is no reason to destroy the tapes except to cover up evidence of wrongdoing. A statement so important, it needed repeating. Comment by Peter C — December 20, 2007 @ 4:25 pm And repeating </blockquote> ...and repeating!!!! I'm with you!

There is no reason to destroy the tapes except to cover up evidence of wrongdoing.

A statement so important, it needed repeating.
Comment by Peter C — December 20, 2007 @ 4:25 pm

And repeating

…and repeating!!!! I’m with you!

]]> By: Sabyen91 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/comment-page-2/#comment-4201452 Sabyen91 Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:03:17 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/#comment-4201452 roksob, you might have a point if it weren't prohibitively expensive for digital camcorders. I mean, if it costs $1000.00 for a toilet seat... roksob, you might have a point if it weren’t prohibitively expensive for digital camcorders. I mean, if it costs $1000.00 for a toilet seat…

]]> By: roksob http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/comment-page-2/#comment-4201444 roksob Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:41:10 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/#comment-4201444 Why is everyone hung up on the destruction of these "tapes". I think we are being conned. This is like 2003. Who uses tapes? I'll bet they had digital camcorders just like everybody else in the US and that the video is sitting on a dozen servers around DOD and the CIA. Tapes? Duh .... Why is everyone hung up on the destruction of these “tapes”. I think we are being conned. This is like 2003. Who uses tapes? I’ll bet they had digital camcorders just like everybody else in the US and that the video is sitting on a dozen servers around DOD and the CIA. Tapes? Duh ….

]]> By: Max-1 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/comment-page-2/#comment-4201429 Max-1 Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:16:54 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/#comment-4201429 . If keeping the identities of the crimes and criminals was important, then why are the perpetrators coming forward... PUBLICALLY? . .

If keeping the identities of the crimes and criminals was important, then why are the perpetrators coming forward… PUBLICALLY?

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]]> By: Max-1 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/comment-page-2/#comment-4201425 Max-1 Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:13:49 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/#comment-4201425 . So, it was necessary to destroy the tapes to shield the criminals from identification; So that unredacted <b>COPIES</b> don't make it to the internet. HUGH??? . .

So, it was necessary to destroy the tapes to shield the criminals from identification; So that unredacted COPIES don’t make it to the internet.

HUGH???

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]]> By: MiMiCcs http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/comment-page-2/#comment-4201299 MiMiCcs Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:20:19 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/#comment-4201299 “You’d have to burn every document at the CIA that has the identity of an agent on it under that theory,” CIA says good idea, but they will use the shredders to save on the pollution and minimize global warming. We are no longer a country where the rule of law applies to those in government. They can do anything they want, the critters have evolved from citizens to consenters. Congress is a bunch of criminals and criminal co-conspirators themselves. Law is a tool to keep the critters under control. We have 5% of the worlds population, and 25% of the worlds prisoners. The incarceration rate in the US is 0.7%, while those we have in prison in Iraq is 0.1% of the population-same as China's prison incarceration rate. Go figure. “You’d have to burn every document at the CIA that has the identity of an agent on it under that theory,”

CIA says good idea, but they will use the shredders to save on the pollution and minimize global warming.

We are no longer a country where the rule of law applies to those in government. They can do anything they want, the critters have evolved from citizens to consenters. Congress is a bunch of criminals and criminal co-conspirators themselves. Law is a tool to keep the critters under control.

We have 5% of the worlds population, and 25% of the worlds prisoners. The incarceration rate in the US is 0.7%, while those we have in prison in Iraq is 0.1% of the population-same as China’s prison incarceration rate. Go figure.

]]> By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/comment-page-2/#comment-4201292 Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:16:32 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/#comment-4201292 Let me get this straight. Mantastic thinks it would be wrong to make these tapes public because the identities of CIA agents who were arguably engaged in illegal activities MIGHT be made known because of visual and audio evidence, but he thought it was acceptable to actually PUBLISH the name of a covert CIA agent engaged in lawful CIA operations associated with curbing the spread of nuclear technology and the name of her CIA front company in a national publication. Do I have that correct, Captain or did I misunderstand your position? Let me get this straight. Mantastic thinks it would be wrong to make these tapes public because the identities of CIA agents who were arguably engaged in illegal activities MIGHT be made known because of visual and audio evidence, but he thought it was acceptable to actually PUBLISH the name of a covert CIA agent engaged in lawful CIA operations associated with curbing the spread of nuclear technology and the name of her CIA front company in a national publication.

Do I have that correct, Captain or did I misunderstand your position?

]]> By: tombaked http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/comment-page-2/#comment-4201254 tombaked Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:25:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/#comment-4201254 Comment by bs — December 20, 2007 @ 7:17 pm It was meant to take little steps to avoid the mass outrage explosion, I suppose. On one hand, it saved Libby from going to prison while preventing the dems from doing a full-fledged pick-up as a campaint point. Whether dems or reps win in 2008, Bush can just issue the pardon shortly before turning in the keys, costing him no more outrage then Clinton received for his last-minute pardons. Comment by bs — December 20, 2007 @ 7:17 pm

It was meant to take little steps to avoid the mass outrage explosion, I suppose. On one hand, it saved Libby from going to prison while preventing the dems from doing a full-fledged pick-up as a campaint point. Whether dems or reps win in 2008, Bush can just issue the pardon shortly before turning in the keys, costing him no more outrage then Clinton received for his last-minute pardons.

]]> By: bs http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/comment-page-2/#comment-4201249 bs Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:21:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/#comment-4201249 Would the Whitehouse legal office allow Cheney to give the order? the darth is in charge he needs no order to do anything......he has proven that in 7 yrs. This is increasingly looking like Cheney took his case directly to Bush who in turn had Addington put in charge of handling the tapes issue, i.e. having them destroyed. isn't he the true 'president'!!! Would the Whitehouse legal office allow Cheney to give the order?

the darth is in charge he needs no order to do anything……he has proven that in 7 yrs.

This is increasingly looking like Cheney took his case directly to Bush who in turn had Addington put in charge of handling the tapes issue, i.e. having them destroyed.

isn’t he the true ‘president’!!!

]]> By: tombaked http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/comment-page-2/#comment-4201246 tombaked Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:18:53 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/#comment-4201246 Either that or the KFC. Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 20, 2007 @ 6:38 pm What problem do YOU have with KFC? It is possible to go from associate fryer to CEO, you know? Either that or the KFC.

Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 20, 2007 @ 6:38 pm

What problem do YOU have with KFC? It is possible to go from associate fryer to CEO, you know?

]]> By: bs http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/comment-page-2/#comment-4201244 bs Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:17:47 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/#comment-4201244 My question is this - Why did Bush commute his sentence? are you serious.....come on now you know. let me ask this why wouldn't he?????? My question is this – Why did Bush commute his sentence?

are you serious…..come on now you know. let me ask this why wouldn’t he??????

]]> By: DallasNE http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/comment-page-2/#comment-4201243 DallasNE Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:16:29 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/#comment-4201243 The unnamed sources all seem to be coming from either the CIA or the Whitehouse legal office. Both are saying they counseled against destruction of the CIA tapes. David Addington was part of those weighing in and nobody has come forward from Cheney's office leaving the strong impression that Cheney's office was somehow behind the order to destroy the tapes. But this leaves unanswered who the decider was. Would the Whitehouse legal office allow Cheney to give the order? This is increasingly looking like Cheney took his case directly to Bush who in turn had Addington put in charge of handling the tapes issue, i.e. having them destroyed. The unnamed sources all seem to be coming from either the CIA or the Whitehouse legal office. Both are saying they counseled against destruction of the CIA tapes. David Addington was part of those weighing in and nobody has come forward from Cheney’s office leaving the strong impression that Cheney’s office was somehow behind the order to destroy the tapes. But this leaves unanswered who the decider was. Would the Whitehouse legal office allow Cheney to give the order? This is increasingly looking like Cheney took his case directly to Bush who in turn had Addington put in charge of handling the tapes issue, i.e. having them destroyed.

]]> By: bs http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/comment-page-2/#comment-4201239 bs Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:12:17 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/#comment-4201239 Comment by tombaked — December 20, 2007 @ 7:07 pm your another one of those that think it's the puppets in the whitehouse that masterminded this lol thats funny...please.......the puppeteer has the control and i listed it above. Comment by tombaked — December 20, 2007 @ 7:07 pm

your another one of those that think it’s the puppets in the whitehouse that masterminded this lol thats funny…please…….the puppeteer has the control and i listed it above.

]]> By: tombaked http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/comment-page-2/#comment-4201237 tombaked Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:07:13 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/#comment-4201237 Comment by bs — December 20, 2007 @ 7:04 pm I stopped reading at "zionists". Thanks for playing. Have a nice day. Comment by bs — December 20, 2007 @ 7:04 pm

I stopped reading at “zionists”.

Thanks for playing. Have a nice day.

]]> By: bs http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/comment-page-2/#comment-4201236 bs Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:04:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/#comment-4201236 ok, hello, folks.......all this is the same reason why j. edgar hoover is on our justice building....what a f. joke. one of the most crooked men in our government gets the fed. building named after him. why would it be any different when the very folks who run our country and own our country own them to. the zionists......their fingerprint is on the media, banking system, and our government, all branches. impeaching cheney, lol.....won't crap come of it. that would mean the zionists, this administration would be exposed of the worst in state terrorist attack ever on our soil. these folks will neva eva, eva eva neva, neva eva eva see treason papers, or any sort of war crimes of any sort....the zionists wont let that happen. ok, hello, folks…….all this is the same reason why j. edgar hoover is on our justice building….what a f. joke. one of the most crooked men in our government gets the fed. building named after him. why would it be any different when the very folks who run our country and own our country own them to. the zionists……their fingerprint is on the media, banking system, and our government, all branches. impeaching cheney, lol…..won’t crap come of it. that would mean the zionists, this administration would be exposed of the worst in state terrorist attack ever on our soil. these folks will neva eva, eva eva neva, neva eva eva see treason papers, or any sort of war crimes of any sort….the zionists wont let that happen.

]]> By: tombaked http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/comment-page-2/#comment-4201235 tombaked Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:04:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/#comment-4201235 Full pardon for Libby! Do it for his two young children. Full pardon for Libby! Do it for his two young children.

]]> By: Chris L http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/comment-page-2/#comment-4201211 Chris L Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:30:57 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/#comment-4201211 As a Drone. Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 20, 2007 @ 6:24 pm ### It wouldn't surprise me if Billy is in the <a href="http://www.ciachef.edu/" rel="nofollow">CIA</a> As a Drone.

Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 20, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
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It wouldn’t surprise me if Billy is in the CIA

]]> By: Nevar http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/comment-page-2/#comment-4201207 Nevar Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:22:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/#comment-4201207 They're managing to keep the secrets surrounding John F. Kennedy's assassination under wraps all these years............... They’re managing to keep the secrets surrounding John F. Kennedy’s assassination under wraps all these years……………

]]> By: Doc Rock http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/comment-page-2/#comment-4201205 Doc Rock Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:21:41 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/20/radsan-hayden/#comment-4201205 Cheney-Bush covering up the impeachable? Cheney-Bush covering up the impeachable?

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