U.S. General: Iraqi prisons are breeding insurgents.
By on Dec 20th, 2007 at 12:44 pm
U.S. General: Iraqi prisons are breeding insurgents.
Maj. Gen. Doug Stone, who oversees detainees for the US-led force, “is wondering aloud if holding all those detainees is breeding a ‘micro-insurgency’ and asking whether it’s time to begin releasing thousands of people.” Stone argued that holding thousands of “moderate detainees” runs counter to the notion of winning over a population in a classic counterinsurgency.
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its our “good will & peace” president that has been the GREATEST recruiting tool for “insurgents.”
December 20th, 2007 at 12:49 pmDo ya think?
December 20th, 2007 at 12:50 pmAnd we are just now thinking about this? Before they invaded a
soverign nation and arrested thousands of innocents for no reason, didn’t they speak to any wardens or professionals who deal with incarceration on a daily basis? The best schools to be a crook are run from prisons – anybody knows that.
Oh, I forgot. This is the Bush administration- they create their own reality.
December 20th, 2007 at 12:51 pmSounds like this General is ready for retirement. How dare he speak his mind and think he is some type of an authority on the subject.
December 20th, 2007 at 12:52 pmMaj Gen Doug Stone must be terrist sympathizer. He wants al-Qaeda to win.
Right, trolls? After all, you don’t win the War on Terrism by “winning hearts and minds”. You win it by killing everyone who hates you. That’s the lesson I get from the Cheney administration, anyway.
December 20th, 2007 at 12:54 pmWho could have predicted holding 14,000 prisoners without a hearing or trial for years on end would result in some of them getting pissed off.?
December 20th, 2007 at 12:54 pmGee. Grabbing someone off the street – whether they’re guilty of anything or not, shoving them into a smelly prison, maybe even tossing in a little torture…and you expect them to throw *flowers* at you when you let them out again…?
Well, alrighty then.
December 20th, 2007 at 12:54 pmWhat’s a moderate detainee?
December 20th, 2007 at 12:56 pmIs this some of that goodwill the pres has been spreading around the world?
December 20th, 2007 at 12:57 pmSeems to me that if we’re trying to create a stable democratic government, creating an entire generation of people who hate is might be counter productive.
But then again, I’m not a whiz scholar like the President is…..
December 20th, 2007 at 12:57 pmNo doubt about it: The longer we remain in this illegal occupation based on lies which the entire world knows, the more disgust and anger toward americans is bred. What does the GOP not “get” about the parallel between an illegal, protracted occupation of a sovereign country and the hatred which it breeds against the occupiers.
This is the key piece about how Bush is making us much, much less safe and goes right to the heart of our national security. (Of course, leaving our borders wide open doesn’t help, either!).
December 20th, 2007 at 12:58 pmInsurgents breeding in prison? The Bushies must be using that abstinence-only approach again.
December 20th, 2007 at 12:58 pmraynman: Bush’s administration is a “Confederacy of Dunces”.
December 20th, 2007 at 12:58 pmA sociopath’s version of “Good will” is parroting the phraseology and then doing the opposite.
December 20th, 2007 at 12:59 pm“U.S. General: Iraqi prisons are breeding insurgents”
That’s what I’ve been saying for four and a half years now! The Pentagon has always said that 90% of those who go through the prisons are innocent and later released. Anybody can see that the horrible treatment they receive while in there would cause them to join/aid the insurgency.
December 20th, 2007 at 1:00 pmGood will and peace will NEVER be associated with this president regardless of what he tries to do in his final year in office. He’s the self-proclaimed “war president” (war monger & war profiteer) and proud of it. What a bubble of denial this guy lives in! whew!
December 20th, 2007 at 1:00 pmWho could have predicted holding 14,000 prisoners without a hearing or trial for years on end would result in some of them getting pissed off.?
Comment by RUCerious
Not to mention all of their friends and family. We will pay a heavy price for the barbarity of the murderous neocon thugs who have run our country these past seven years.
December 20th, 2007 at 1:00 pmWhat’s a moderate detainee?
Comment by Juan C. — December 20, 2007 @ 12:56 pm
‘There are still hard-core insurgents and terrorists living inside the yards. In contrast to the green-clad detainees determined to be more moderate, those individuals are given red jumpsuits to wear and are largely segregated from the rest of the detainee population. Amber-colored jumpsuits indicate the wearer is “changing” to a more moderate stance.’
How bizarre.
December 20th, 2007 at 1:01 pmIf anyone watched Amenpour’s “God’s warriors” series, it’s clear that the jihadi’s begin as children. They are being inculcated with american hatred from the time they are tots. Our continued, vulgar occupation only fans the flames of jihad with us as the “enemy” longer.
December 20th, 2007 at 1:02 pmWhat’s a moderate detainee?
Comment by Juan C.
An innocent one.
December 20th, 2007 at 1:02 pmNot to mention all of their friends and family. Comment by shoeless — December 20, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
Often an entire TRIBE.
December 20th, 2007 at 1:03 pm“The best schools to be a crook are run from prisons – anybody knows that.”
StratRat
Hey don’t forget about the RNC! They’ve been churning out criminals for quite some time too!
December 20th, 2007 at 1:04 pmWhy do you think Huckleberry’s use of the subliminal cross (bookcase???) is so popular?? This is christo-jihad posturing for the world to see. Can you imagine how tanked this country would be if Huckabee was elected?? I shudder to imagine it.
December 20th, 2007 at 1:04 pm‘He (Gen. Stone) made an impassioned plea recently when Marine Commandant Gen. James Conway paid a visit to Bucca in November. General Conway came away impressed with the programs Stone has implemented there and is concerned that the growing number of detainees doesn’t make sense anymore.
“If you roll up 150 guys in a village and you don’t have probable cause, you’ve just created 150 little terrorists,” says Conway, who says the US must review the process.’
Look for Stone and Conway to be marginalized soon!
December 20th, 2007 at 1:04 pmPatriot: Yes, the GOP does a steller job in producing criminals these days as evidenced by the number of people within involved in scandals and trials.
Of course, The Federalist Society and PNAC are major purveyors of evil, twisted, undemocratic ideology, too.
December 20th, 2007 at 1:06 pmMary: Anyone who speaks Truth to Power these days is marginalized in a flash! Only Liars and Sycophants need apply.
December 20th, 2007 at 1:06 pmComment by Veritas — December 20, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
They still hate the British for what they did in Iraq in 1920! They’ll be hating us 87 years from now!
December 20th, 2007 at 1:07 pm“The best schools to be a crook are run from prisons – anybody knows that.â€
StratRat
Hey don’t forget about the RNC! They’ve been churning out criminals for quite some time too!
Comment by A Patriot Acting
Yeah, we need to start sending them to prison for advanced training.
December 20th, 2007 at 1:08 pmHey don’t forget about the RNC! They’ve been churning out criminals for quite some time too!
Comment by A Patriot Acting
Yeah I know. Regents College is also a hotbed of future right side criminals. A bible in one hand, and a paper shredder in the other.
December 20th, 2007 at 1:13 pmU.S. General: Iraqi prisons are breeding insurgents.
So is torture, and a slew of other “tactics”.
December 20th, 2007 at 1:31 pmViolence reduction by p!ssing people off has never really worked well.
December 20th, 2007 at 1:39 pmGood one, Stratrat!..
A bible in one hand, and a paper shredder in the other.
And thumb in mouth with head firmly implanted rectally.
December 20th, 2007 at 1:44 pmIt’s always a tiny bit encouraging when these guys stop viewing the war “through a glass, darkly,” but you’d think by now that the veil would have fallen from a lot more eyes!
During the first days of the occupation when we saw our troops breaking down Iraqi’s doors and dragging the males out with hoods over their heads and hands bound tightly with plastic in the search for a deck of cards that anyone with a lick of sense could have seen a great backlash coming.
Top that off with kicking the Sunni’s out of senior and mid-level positions in the armed forces and the government and mixing in poor guarding of ammunition dumps and you could see that the Cheney-Bush draft-dodging war managers really going to “stew” the pooch!
While hindsight is 20-20, some of us also had foresight!
December 20th, 2007 at 1:48 pmDocRock
Yup, but we’re the “blame America First!” crowd. We hate the USA. We don’t have the stomach for war. We want the USA to win. We want the Terrorists to Win. Did I leave any out?
December 20th, 2007 at 2:04 pmSeems like the US could have looked over what happened in Northern Ireland, to get an idea of what prisons, and occupations do.
December 20th, 2007 at 2:15 pm35 – Kraz – not to mention what happened to the British in India…
December 20th, 2007 at 2:22 pmBobwurst talks about: “We want the USA to win. We want the Terrorists to Win.” What constitutes a ‘win” for the US/ How do we get there? There is no plan except to break the bank. What did Iraq have to do with terrorists before we went in there? No evidence of anything! Who were the 9/11 terrorists? A bunch of Saudi’s and Egyptians? Who was the leader? Bin Laden? Who was Bush senior dining with the night before 9/11? Whom did the US permit to fly out the day after 9/11 when Americans were grounded? Bobwurst do you have a clue? Or are you just slogans?
December 20th, 2007 at 2:24 pmDumb Question: How long have the liberal communist pinko pacifists been saying that our actions in Iraq breed insurgents (being soundly denounced by the hawks for saying so) – and why has it taken the dear general so long to figure this out ?
December 20th, 2007 at 2:47 pmBobwurst do you have a clue? Or are you just slogans?
Comment by Doc Rock — December 20, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
I think Bobwurst was being sarcastic.
December 20th, 2007 at 2:52 pmGee, might just have something to do with the so-called “success” of the Surge? Not exactly calming the situation, just throwing everybody in jail.
Uh, that’s not going to work out in our favor, in the near future…
December 20th, 2007 at 3:21 pmComment by Doc Rock — December 20, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
FYI – we here appreciate your passion and commiserate with you regarding the mis-information & lies we’ve been subjected regarding 9/11, but bobwurst was being sarcastic.
With the troll traffic this site gets, though, it’s very understandable that you weren’t sure.
December 20th, 2007 at 3:59 pmAllow me to spin this republican style…see they have it so good we allow them to procreate while in our custody. Name another penal system in the world who allows that!
December 20th, 2007 at 4:43 pm“Stone argued that holding thousands of “moderate detainees†runs counter to the notion of winning over a population in a classic counterinsurgency. ”
“So does reducing troop numbers and withdrawal.
Let’s not start pretending anyone here is interested in pursuing any strategy but these.”
-Kilo
Apparently, you can include most of Iraq in with the “anyone here” crowd:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/18/AR2007121802262_pf.html
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December 21st, 2007 at 1:08 am