Comments on: Cheney Repeatedly Met With Auto Execs Before White House Killed California’s Emissions Law http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:34:11 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: ferrarimanf355 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/comment-page-2/#comment-4204137 ferrarimanf355 Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:17:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/#comment-4204137 #67, #70- I grew up idolizing fast cars. I don't want that taken away from me and be forced to drive boring cars the rest of my life. And besides, if enviromentalists are preaching "reduce, reuse, recycle", then isn't restoring an old muscle car a perfect example of that? #67, #70-

I grew up idolizing fast cars. I don’t want that taken away from me and be forced to drive boring cars the rest of my life. And besides, if enviromentalists are preaching “reduce, reuse, recycle”, then isn’t restoring an old muscle car a perfect example of that?

]]> By: Dave C http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/comment-page-2/#comment-4202873 Dave C Sat, 22 Dec 2007 02:23:02 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/#comment-4202873 <em>I’d rather die than be forced to drive a Prius. Sorry. Comment by ferrarimanf355 — December 21, 2007 @ 4:33 pm</em> Ok then. If everyone feels like you, you may get your wish. I’d rather die than be forced to drive a Prius. Sorry.

Comment by ferrarimanf355 — December 21, 2007 @ 4:33 pm

Ok then. If everyone feels like you, you may get your wish.

]]> By: GL2814 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/comment-page-2/#comment-4202737 GL2814 Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:57:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/#comment-4202737 Is that Dick Cheney or J.R. Ewing? Come to think of it, is there a difference?! Is that Dick Cheney or J.R. Ewing?

Come to think of it, is there a difference?!

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/comment-page-2/#comment-4202533 dbadass Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:29:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/#comment-4202533 Is he wearing Imus's dumb hat? Is he wearing Imus’s dumb hat?

]]> By: Coffins Draped with a Flag http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/comment-page-2/#comment-4202469 Coffins Draped with a Flag Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:41:53 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/#comment-4202469 Too bad for Detroit's auto makers particularly GM. The Japanese and South Koreans are making cars with better fuel mileage and less emissions and Americans are buying these cars. Toyota, Honda and Subaru are providing jobs for Americans by building these cars here. As a matter of fact, Toyota is the leading car manufacturer which pushed GM out of the way. Too bad and too sad for the Camaro dreamer @66. You're just like boy Bush... it's all about you. If you had any true sense of self worth, you wouldn't need to car to determine the size of your johnson. Too bad for Detroit’s auto makers particularly GM. The Japanese and South Koreans are making cars with better fuel mileage and less emissions and Americans are buying these cars. Toyota, Honda and Subaru are providing jobs for Americans by building these cars here. As a matter of fact, Toyota is the leading car manufacturer which pushed GM out of the way. Too bad and too sad for the Camaro dreamer @66. You’re just like boy Bush… it’s all about you. If you had any true sense of self worth, you wouldn’t need to car to determine the size of your johnson.

]]> By: ferrarimanf355 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/comment-page-2/#comment-4202447 ferrarimanf355 Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:33:40 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/#comment-4202447 As a car fan, I'll say this- if GM kills the new Camaro because of emissions laws, I. Will. Be. Pissed. As much as I understand how global warming is a problem, I'd rather die than be forced to drive a Prius. Sorry. As a car fan, I’ll say this- if GM kills the new Camaro because of emissions laws, I. Will. Be. Pissed. As much as I understand how global warming is a problem, I’d rather die than be forced to drive a Prius. Sorry.

]]> By: Che http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/comment-page-2/#comment-4202396 Che Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:11:07 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/#comment-4202396 Why does our vice president hate Americans? Comment by Lynn Lightfoot — December 21, 2007 @ 3:22 pm Recommend (0) | Report Abuse He hates everyone. Why does our vice president hate Americans?

Comment by Lynn Lightfoot — December 21, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
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He hates everyone.

]]> By: Lynn Lightfoot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/comment-page-2/#comment-4202290 Lynn Lightfoot Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:22:51 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/#comment-4202290 Why does our vice president hate Americans? Why does our vice president hate Americans?

]]> By: Namtillaku http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/comment-page-2/#comment-4202263 Namtillaku Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:01:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/#comment-4202263 Money > Life. Money > Life.

]]> By: JoeySoCal http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/comment-page-2/#comment-4202259 JoeySoCal Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:58:33 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/#comment-4202259 F--k. These. Organized. Criminals. Get your degenerate control OUT OF CALIFORNIA!!! Get your degenerate control OUT OF CALIFORNIA!!! Get your degenerate control OUT OF CALIFORNIA!!! EPA invades our state's rights!!! Get your anti-science crony fallacious EPA out of our local state politics!!!!!!!! You big federal power-freaks!!! EPA under Bush / Cheney is a farse!!! It's the Enviroment Raping Orgy of Industry Profiteers Agency under Bush!!! Fox in the Henhouse!!! Justice Department under Bush / Cheney is *farse*!!! Department of Puppet Attorney's for the Admnistration under Bush!!! Consumer protection under Bush / Cheney is a *farse*!!! Department of In Bed with the Industry Toy Makers look the other way to Lead Paint in Childrens Toys Department!!! Clean Skies Act a *farse*!!! ... Clean Water Act a *farse*!!! ... Healthy Forests Act a *farse*!!! ... CIA under Bush / Cheney a *farse*!!! ... Voter Protection Department under Bush a *farse*!!! ... Workers Protection Agency under Bush a *farse*(coal-miners RIP)!!! ... State's Rights under Bush / Cheney a *farse*!!! ... Etc. Etc. Etc....ad infinitum. F–k. These. Organized. Criminals.

Get your degenerate control OUT OF CALIFORNIA!!!
Get your degenerate control OUT OF CALIFORNIA!!!
Get your degenerate control OUT OF CALIFORNIA!!!

EPA invades our state’s rights!!!

Get your anti-science crony fallacious EPA out of our local state politics!!!!!!!! You big federal power-freaks!!!

EPA under Bush / Cheney is a farse!!! It’s the Enviroment Raping Orgy of Industry Profiteers Agency under Bush!!! Fox in the Henhouse!!!

Justice Department under Bush / Cheney is *farse*!!! Department of Puppet Attorney’s for the Admnistration under Bush!!!

Consumer protection under Bush / Cheney is a *farse*!!! Department of In Bed with the Industry Toy Makers look the other way to Lead Paint in Childrens Toys Department!!!

Clean Skies Act a *farse*!!! …
Clean Water Act a *farse*!!! …
Healthy Forests Act a *farse*!!! …
CIA under Bush / Cheney a *farse*!!! …
Voter Protection Department under Bush a *farse*!!! …
Workers Protection Agency under Bush a *farse*(coal-miners RIP)!!! …
State’s Rights under Bush / Cheney a *farse*!!! …

Etc. Etc. Etc….ad infinitum.

]]> By: JoeySoCal http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/comment-page-2/#comment-4202258 JoeySoCal Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:57:57 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/#comment-4202258 Testing Testing

]]> By: missmolly http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/comment-page-2/#comment-4202257 missmolly Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:57:27 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/#comment-4202257 Obama-Richardson…what an awesome ticket that would make. Comment by Keltoi — December 21, 2007 @ 12:31 pm I agree -- even if they DID get some money from the oil crowd (though not anywhere near the amount Rudy got). Of the top ten, seven are presidential candidates. I guess the oil guys are hedging their bets quite a bit by spreading their money around -- fairly common with large contributors. I also noticed that Edwards and Huckabee didn't make the list... Obama-Richardson…what an awesome ticket that would make.

Comment by Keltoi — December 21, 2007 @ 12:31 pm

I agree — even if they DID get some money from the oil crowd (though not anywhere near the amount Rudy got).

Of the top ten, seven are presidential candidates. I guess the oil guys are hedging their bets quite a bit by spreading their money around — fairly common with large contributors.

I also noticed that Edwards and Huckabee didn’t make the list…

]]> By: MapleStreet http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/comment-page-2/#comment-4202245 MapleStreet Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:49:10 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/#comment-4202245 #6 Bilbo and #23 DutchHenry - like y'all I'm aghast that with $3 gasoline (and looking at Europe with over double that), the "big" automakers can't seem to get the idea of using any sort of effort to change the system. The only thing I can figure out is that they are so certain that their friends (or bought-out servants) will protect them no matter what. Yet, when the sale of american-made autos drops, I have no problem predicting that they will be crying torrents of tears over the unfairness of it all. #6 Bilbo and #23 DutchHenry – like y’all I’m aghast that with $3 gasoline (and looking at Europe with over double that), the “big” automakers can’t seem to get the idea of using any sort of effort to change the system.

The only thing I can figure out is that they are so certain that their friends (or bought-out servants) will protect them no matter what.

Yet, when the sale of american-made autos drops, I have no problem predicting that they will be crying torrents of tears over the unfairness of it all.

]]> By: ForTruth http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/comment-page-2/#comment-4202067 ForTruth Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:30:22 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/#comment-4202067 I could have sworn the diesel Volkswagon Rabbit in the 70's was getting close to 50 mpg. I could have sworn the diesel Volkswagon Rabbit in the 70’s was getting close to 50 mpg.

]]> By: Dave C http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/comment-page-2/#comment-4202024 Dave C Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:09:12 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/#comment-4202024 I used to own a '85 Honda Civic CRX that got over 50mpg. No hybrid, nothing of the sort. Since then auto mfrs have increased the weight, added a ton of bells/whistles and bulked up the engines so now these #'s aren't possible even with a hybrid. It's sad to think that not only have they not advanced in over 20 years, they've gone backwards. I used to own a ‘85 Honda Civic CRX that got over 50mpg. No hybrid, nothing of the sort. Since then auto mfrs have increased the weight, added a ton of bells/whistles and bulked up the engines so now these #’s aren’t possible even with a hybrid. It’s sad to think that not only have they not advanced in over 20 years, they’ve gone backwards.

]]> By: bob lahblah http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/comment-page-2/#comment-4201949 bob lahblah Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:47:01 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/#comment-4201949 Comment by ry81 — December 21, 2007 @ 11:54 am Good point. Though I would chracterize it as either sad or maddening before funny. If any of you haven't seen the documentary "Who Killed the Electric Car?" go rent it. Very interesting (or maddening). Comment by ry81 — December 21, 2007 @ 11:54 am

Good point. Though I would chracterize it as either sad or maddening before funny. If any of you haven’t seen the documentary “Who Killed the Electric Car?” go rent it. Very interesting (or maddening).

]]> By: Bluedahlia http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/comment-page-2/#comment-4201926 Bluedahlia Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:38:43 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/#comment-4201926 Oh oh, it is Cheney vs. Arnold! Who will win? Oh oh, it is Cheney vs. Arnold! Who will win?

]]> By: Nature Rules http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/comment-page-2/#comment-4201924 Nature Rules Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:38:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/#comment-4201924 <em>The dark lord versus the governator. This is going to be good. Comment by hellinabucket — December 21, 2007 @ 12:21 pm</em> It would be good but, alas, who will write it? The dark lord versus the governator. This is going to be good.

Comment by hellinabucket — December 21, 2007 @ 12:21 pm

It would be good but, alas, who will write it?

]]> By: Veritas http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/comment-page-2/#comment-4201910 Veritas Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:34:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/#comment-4201910 Since american car manufacturers are aware of the problems and, instead, lobby the criminal in the white house to accomplish their dirty deeds, no american needs their vehicles at this point. Boycott today. Since american car manufacturers are aware of the problems and, instead, lobby the criminal in the white house to accomplish their dirty deeds, no american needs their vehicles at this point. Boycott today.

]]> By: Keltoi http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/comment-page-1/#comment-4201909 Keltoi Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:33:42 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/21/cheney-epa-califronia/#comment-4201909 I am in touch with Tesla, and will be getting an electric sedan in their first production run. Go Green! Comment by RUCerious — December 21, 2007 @ 11:55 am You must be doing pretty well for yourself, RUC! I looked at those, but $5000 just to get on the waiting list is a pretty penny. I am jealous, those things look bad ass! I am in touch with Tesla, and will be getting an electric sedan in their first production run. Go Green!

Comment by RUCerious — December 21, 2007 @ 11:55 am

You must be doing pretty well for yourself, RUC! I looked at those, but $5000 just to get on the waiting list is a pretty penny. I am jealous, those things look bad ass!

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