Genocide denier Natsios resigns as envoy to Sudan.
By on Dec 21st, 2007 at 2:27 pm
Genocide denier Natsios resigns as envoy to Sudan.
Andrew Natsios, the U.S. special envoy for Sudan, resigned today. During his tenure, Natsios promised that the U.S. would spend no more than $1.6 billion on the Iraq reconstruction, denied that genocide was occurring Darfur, and admitted that sanctions against Sudan were purposefully toothless. His likely replacement, Richard Williamson, has served in the UN, and called for U.S. action in Darfur as early as 2004. According to the Chicago-Sun Times, “Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld is among the public officials that Williamson most admires.”
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If Williams called for U.S. action in Darfur in the past, he’s probably not as reality-impaired as Natsios — but still has a way to go toward mental stability if he “most admires” Rumsfeld.
December 21st, 2007 at 2:39 pmAs administer to USAID he dismissed the idea of distributing Antiretroviral drugs to treat HIV/AIDS in Africa.
December 21st, 2007 at 2:40 pmTP! Williams or Williamson? Make up your minds.
December 21st, 2007 at 2:42 pmOk, is it Williams or Williamson, or are there two people?
December 21st, 2007 at 2:42 pmY’know, it just hit me - has Darfur even been mentioned in any of the debates of either party? I haven’t listened to all of them, but the issue sure seems to have disappeared….
December 21st, 2007 at 2:43 pmthanks gummitch.you beat me to it.
December 21st, 2007 at 2:43 pmhas Darfur even been mentioned in any of the debates of either party? I haven’t listened to all of them, but the issue sure seems to have disappeared….
Comment by Keltoi — December 21, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
December 21st, 2007 at 2:57 pm—————————-
Joe Biden spoke very passionately about the crisis in one of the early debates I watched. I haven’t seen any of the debates lately, so I’m not sure if it has come up recently.
Joe Biden spoke very passionately about the crisis in one of the early debates I watched. I haven’t seen any of the debates lately, so I’m not sure if it has come up recently.
Comment by Vet — December 21, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
Leave it to Biden to know what is up. Why he and Richardson attract so little support remains a mystery to me.
December 21st, 2007 at 2:58 pmI think it would be a very good question to ask the candidates if they would send troops into the Sudan, just like it was a good question to ask Hill’reh if she supported NY’s Governor’s bid to give illegal aliens driver’s licenses.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:17 pmOh my gosh, that is the second recommendation I’ve gotten. You really love me - you really, really love me.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:28 pmI will take a stab at Hill’reh answer:
“While I sympathize with the plight of the women and children in Darfur, and can understand why a leader would want to send troops into the Sudan, I would not send troops until we have comprehesive legislation solving the problems in the Sudan.”
December 21st, 2007 at 3:30 pmNatsios has not had a career of successes.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:30 pmHe should join Rumsfeld and disappear.
Hendler might not realize it but trolls are also allowed to “recommend” posts on this site.
Plus it just wouldn’t be a proper Hendler post without a nod to the woman that he has dedicated his life too, Hillary.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:33 pm#11
Well we know that couldn’t be a quote from Dubya. Everything is spelled correctly, there are five words that contain more than two syllables and it actually addresses Darfur/Sudan. I don’t think Shrub could even find it on a map (even if the map had the regions clearly labeled)
December 21st, 2007 at 3:36 pm#14, APA,
No need for a statement from Bush, his actions are perfectly clear, no spelling required.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:38 pmDo I follow most of you correctly; you actually believe there was and is an ongoing genocide in Darfur. That is highly questionable.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:55 pmIf one has any doubt of the reality, and severity, of events in Darfur; check out any foreign news service. Reuters and BBC.com have both run excellent stories within the last few weeks.
And, once again, the trolls try to turn the thread into “Hilary’s the Devil”. If she’s unelectable, why does she scare the crap out of trolls?
December 21st, 2007 at 4:13 pmDo I follow most of you correctly; you actually believe there was and is an ongoing genocide in Darfur. That is highly questionable.
Comment by syvanen — December 21, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
I don’t consider it a genocide. It’s an extremely lopsided conflict in which the dominant parties have committed an uncountable number of crimes against humanity. But it’s not quite a systematic and deliberate destruction of an ethnic group - at least, it hasn’t risen to that level yet.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:19 pmIt’s an extremely lopsided conflict in which the dominant parties have committed an uncountable number of crimes against humanity. But it’s not quite a systematic and deliberate destruction of an ethnic group - at least, it hasn’t risen to that level yet.
I agree.
It was very worrisome a few years back when the genocide hysteria was making the rounds; it seemed to have been pushed by the same folks that had advocated war against Iraq and were advocating war against Syria, Iran, etc.
December 21st, 2007 at 5:14 pmUm, genocide needn’t be streamlined and efficient to be an intentional irradication of a population. It’s more about killing all members of the population - men, woman and children - regardless of how efficient or effective they are about doing it.
December 21st, 2007 at 5:20 pmComment by Jason M. Hendler — December 21, 2007 @ 5:20 pm
So, I take it, that Bush’s bloated and inefficient war on Islam (other than Pakistan and Saudi Arabia) would be considered “genocide”?
It’s about time.
December 21st, 2007 at 5:27 pmWhy is Hillary so hard to spell?
December 21st, 2007 at 5:31 pm#21, Pete,
Are you stating that American soldiers are targeting women and children in Afghanistan and Iraq?
December 21st, 2007 at 5:33 pm23:
December 21st, 2007 at 5:44 pmThis seems to contradict your earlier statement. If only men are being killed is this still just a less efficient genocide? In the end in the absence of male reproductive potential an entire population would still be at risk right? So based on you at #20, I would have to assume you can have genocide without the intentional killing of women or children. After all, it seems only a matter of efficiency
Are you stating that American soldiers are targeting women and children in Afghanistan and Iraq?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — December 21, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
Yes.
December 21st, 2007 at 6:10 pmKinda slow today, JMH?
Well, I’ve got some stuff to do so, I’ll answer your inevitable response.
If one aims at a target, hits the target, and, women and children get hit: one has, by definition, “targeted” women and children. Feel free to try to find a “moral high ground”, but, there’s no such thing in a festering swamp of violence and deceit.
December 21st, 2007 at 6:22 pm‘Donald H. Rumsfeld is among the public officials that Williamson most admires.’
Where do they find these people - Natsios and Williamson?
Is that the best the U.S. can find? Are they graduates of Regent or Oral-Sex Roberts or Liberty???
December 21st, 2007 at 6:26 pmMoney spent on africa is simply wasted. Africa is a terrible investment.
December 21st, 2007 at 6:42 pmI surely didn’t vote to send billions of US taxpayer dollars to that aids infested craphole. Let the africans fix africa, or better yet let the self-important UN child molesting morons clean up africa. Honestly, there’s little in it for America to help fix the mess the Africa created for itself.
Pete,
How DARE you accuse US soldiers of genocide.
If some men survive, and women and children aren’t targeted, then the remaining men can reproduce with the women and raise the children, so that a population isn’t eradicated.
The US is engaged in anti-insurgency operations to remove foreign men who have infiltrated the country and are trying to destablize the new democracy. If any civilians are hurt, it is on the heads of the insurgents.
December 21st, 2007 at 11:10 pmI can understand admiring Rumsfeld in a sense, at least if you take his entire career into context. It’s rather like admiring Powell. Were it not for the Iraq war — and that is, admittedly, a major “were it not for” — Rumsfeld would probably have ranked among the top secretaries of defense.
Even with respect to the war, we don’t know (yet) the extent to which he was toeing the party line — I have the feeling that at the end of the day this really WILL be Cheney’s war. None of this is by way of excusing Rumsfeld’s arrogance and even incompetence in managing Iraq — but I do “get” why one would conceive of Rumsfeld, over the long term, as a good secretary.
And as someone pointed out above, at least he seems able to spell “Darfur.”
December 22nd, 2007 at 12:43 amComment by Jason M. Hendler — December 21, 2007 @ 11:10 pm
Comment by Kilo — December 22, 2007 @ 12:20 am
I reserve charges of genocide for Bushco, not the troops.
I didn’t accuse U.S. soldiers of genocide. I stated that they have targeted women and children in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is proven, beyond any doubt, by the women and children who have been killed or maimed by intentional acts of the U.S. military. And, all the remorse in the world never stopped the bleeding.
Once again, if one targets a place that houses innocents, one has targeted those innocents whether there’s a “bad guy” or not. Frankly, whenever I see another story about an air, or artillery, strike on an apartment building, or family dwelling, because of “suspected terrorist activity”; it turns my stomach and makes me deeply ashamed of my country. Especially when it turns out the determination of need for said strike was based on “faulty intelligence”. Of course, this is wasted on anyone who is actually stupid enough to say we are in Iraq to fight “insurgents” or that the majority of those who resist us are not Iraqis.
BTW. The suggestion that the death of innocents is O.K. because eventually the population will be replaced by new births is disgusting in the extreme. I simply stated that innocents have been killed because they were in the wrong place (a target) at the wrong time (when our ordinance arrives). I never even came close to suggesting that people are expendable and replaceable. You are one sick puppy, JMH. You have no right to judge others.
December 22nd, 2007 at 3:34 amHere is a letter a friend of mind found and posted on another forum.
Today I saw some letters sent out from Zimbabwe–pleading for the world to take notice of what is happening there. In fact, simlar things are happening in South Africa and never reported in the communist-controlled press.
Here is the letter sent out from Zimbabwe:
“Sent by John Winter:
I reckon that these are the last days of TKM and ZPF.
The darkest hour is always before dawn.
We are all terrified of what they are going to destroy next……..
I mean they are actually plowing down brick and mortar houses and one white family with twin boys of 10 had no chance of salvaging anything when 100 riot police came in with AK´s and bulldozers and demolished their beautiful house - 5 bedrooms and pine ceilings - because it was “too close to the airportâ€..so we are feeling extremely insecure right now.
You know, I feel so cut off from you all knowing that I cannot tell you what´s going on here simply because you will feel uncomfortable. I am aware that this does not help you sleep at night, but if you do not know - how can you help?
There is no way we can leave so that is not an option. I just ask that you all pray for us in the way that you know how, and let me know that you are thinking of us and sending out positive vibes… Also please send this message on, that´s all.
You can´t just be in denial and pretend its not going on. To be frank with you, its genocide in the making and if you do not believe me, read the Genocide Report by Amnesty International which says we ARE IN level seven (level 8 is after its happened and everyone is in denial).
If you don´t want me to tell you these things then it means you have not dealt with your own fear, but it does not help me to think you are turning your back on our situation.
We need you to get the news OUT that we are all in a fearfully dangerous situation here. Too many people turn their backs and say - oh well, that´s what happens in Africa. This government has GONE MAD and you need to publicize our plight or how can we be rescued?
You can´t just say “oh you attract your own realityâ€. The petrol Queues are a reality, the pall of smoke all around our city is a reality, the Thousands of homeless people sleeping outside in 0 degrees Celsius with no food water, shelter and bedding are a reality.
Today a family approached me, brother of the gardener´s wife with two small children. Their home was trashed and they will have to sleep outside.
We already support 8 people and a child on this property and electricity is going up next month by 250% as is water.
How can I take another family of 4 - and yet how can I turn them away to sleep out in the open?
I am not asking you for money, or a ticket out of here - I am asking you to FACE the fact that we are in deep and terrible danger and I want you to pass on our news. Don´t just press the delete button.
Help in the way that you know how. Face the reality of what is going on here and SEND OUT THE WORD. The more people that know about it, the more chance we have of United Nations coming to our aid.
Please stop ignoring and denying what´s happening. Would you like to be protected from the truth? And then if we are eliminated, how would you feel?
Surely you would say “if only we knew how bad it really was we could have helped in some wayâ€. I know we chose to stay here and so you may think we “deserve†what´s coming to us.
For now, we ourselves, have food, shelter, a little fuel and a bit of money for the next meal - but what is going to happen next?
Will they start on our houses? All property is going to belong to the State now. We no longer have SW radio which told us everything that was happening because the government jammed it out of existence - we don´t have any reporters, and no one is allowed to photograph.
If we had international reporters here they would have an absolute field day. Even the pro government Herald has written that people are shocked, stunned, bewildered and blown mindless by the wanton destruction of everyone´s homes which are supposed to be “illegalâ€, but for which a huge percentage of them actually do have licenses.
Please - have some compassion and HELP by sending out this report so that something can be DONE. Please pray for us.â€Farmers in South Africa, the descendqants of the Boers are regularly being tortured and murdered in the most horrific ways, led by the KGB-installed ANC thugs (brought in by Mandela) but the world hears nothing about it. Genocide is well underway in both places.
A brave fellow, Jan Lamprecht, with whom I use to correspond a bit several years ago, maintains a website dedicated to putting news out related to the horrors that are happening daily in Africa, led by the communists there, who fairly well now control the continent . . . . His website is not for the faint of heart . . . but I check in every so often to remind myself of the many, many suffering this world, who have no voice–which includes many of the black Christians in Africa, being systematically exterminated; and the whites and other races who have lived there for centuries–now being targeted by atheistic, demon-driven murderers.
Jan’s site is http://www.africancrisis.org
December 22nd, 2007 at 8:33 am#32, Pete,
I didn’t say the deaths of innocents was OK, I merely stated that it wasn’t “genocide” if they weren’t the targets of military force, just collateral damage.
By no stretch can you call anyone in the Bush administration guilty of targeting women and children with military force. Bubba Clinton, however, did kill one of OBL’s children when he launched Tomahawk missles at one of OBL’s training camps, so Bubba is much more of a child killer than any recent President - at least Bush didn’t launch a sneak attack.
December 22nd, 2007 at 7:55 pmDon’t forget that Natsios was a Rep Gov pick to clean up the Harbor Tunnel project in Boston. And we all know how that turned out. Natsios’s buddy in that crime was Bechtel, which is also responsible for quite a bit of “construction” in Iraq. Makes one wonder…
December 23rd, 2007 at 10:19 pm