Huckabee: ‘If Anything,’ We Treat Inmates At Guantanamo Bay ‘Too Nice’
Huckabee: ‘If Anything,’ We Treat Inmates At Guantanamo Bay ‘Too Nice’
During a campaign stop in Iowa today, former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee commented on the conditions at the military detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, saying that “the inmates there were getting a whole lot better treatment” than “prisoners in Arkansas.” “I hope our guys don’t see this,” added Huckabee. “They’ll all want to be transferred to Guanatanmo.”
“If anything, it’s too nice,” said Huckabee:
“The inmates there were getting a whole lot better treatment than my prisoners in Arkansas. In fact, we left saying, ‘I hope our guys don’t see this. They’ll all want to be transferred to Guanatanmo.’ If anything, it’s too nice.”
Huckabee has said Guantanamo is more a “symbolic issue” than anything else since the detainees are treated better than prisoners in the US.
Huckabee, who recently came out in favor of closing Guantanamo, has made similar comparisons in the past.
In June, Huckabee said on CNN’s Late Edition that “most of our prisoners would love to be in a facility more like Guantanamo.” At the time, he said we couldn’t close the facility because hypothetically, “if we let somebody out” they could “come and fly an airliner into one of our skyscrapers.”
Huckabee may have seen “nice” conditions when he visited Guantanamo. But FBI agents who worked at the facility have reported that detainees were subjected to harsh conditions, including “the use of growling dogs” to “intimidate detainees,” at least as recently as 2004:
Detainees at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, were shackled to the floor in fetal positions for more than 24 hours at a time, left without food and water, and allowed to defecate on themselves, an FBI agent who said he witnessed such abuse reported in a memo to supervisors.
A recently released operations manual for the prison, dated March 28, 2003, “indicates that some prisoners were hidden from Red Cross representatives.” Presumably, such “no-access” detainees would have been hidden from visitors like Huckabee as well.
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Huckabee seems like a nice guy until you actually listen to what he stands for, it’s not nice nor Christian
December 21st, 2007 at 3:22 pmKeep’em comin’ Governor Biblebee… by the first of the year your blessed feet are going to be just as shot up as Mitt’s and Rudy’s.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:22 pmHuckabee sounds more like a Roman Emperor than a man of the cloth. Is this what Jesus would do?
December 21st, 2007 at 3:24 pmKeep’em comin’ Governor Biblebee… by the first of the year your blessed feet are going to be just as shot up as Mitt’s and Rudy’s.
Comment by tombaker — December 21, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
If he gets the R nomination and Hillary gets the D nomination…..
December 21st, 2007 at 3:27 pmDamn straight.
Comment by Frank M — December 21, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
To my comment, thanks
December 21st, 2007 at 3:27 pmHuck would shoot jesus before he would talk to him. He just wants that chance so badly.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:27 pmHuckabee = Himmler
December 21st, 2007 at 3:27 pmHuckabee, do you think Jesus would be proud of you?
December 21st, 2007 at 3:27 pmI think not.
Has anyone heard if Nader is running again?
December 21st, 2007 at 3:27 pm5 - Then I’ll be just as pleased as I’d be with any other potential matchup in the general election.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:29 pmClose Arkansas.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:30 pmAnd secret prisons still unknown?
December 21st, 2007 at 3:32 pmSpoken like someone who would have tortured Jesus. Merry Yacksmas, Mike.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:33 pmA true Christian would close the tortue zone known as Gitmo immediately. A true Christian would stand on a mountain top to declare all torture abhorent and against all teachings of Christ. A true Christian would label the bush administration criminals - loudly and clearly.
Huckabee is no Christian - he just plays one on TV.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:33 pmAS of April 2007, more than 80% of the 385 detainees were being held in isolation, while some detainees are held in solitary confinement at Camp Echo and Camp 5, conditions are worst at Camp 6, which opened in December 2006.
I don’t care if we are holding them at the Ritz; being held without charge for 5 years is inhumane.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:33 pm#5:In that case, Hillary’s toast. The fringe left hates Hillary, God-fearing people despise her, women will vote against her (a well known phenomenon in Europe where female candidates are more common) and Middle America doesn’t trust her.
Comment by Frank M — December 21, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
Wow. Everyone hates her. Amazing how that could be true and yet she could still get the nomination. A mystery.
Actually, I guess the mystery is what might be going on between Frank’s ears.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:34 pm13 - tee hee frank - you’d sure better hope so, but I don’t think anybody’s hatin’ on HRC to the extent they are on GOP.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:35 pm14 - McCain’s been to the Green Zone, too, but no one cares.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:36 pm#18: What’s the alternative? You’re going to release all these bomb-makers to general public?
Comment by Frank M — December 21, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
Oh, then you have seen the charges against them.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:37 pm#18: What’s the alternative? You’re going to release all these bomb-makers to general public?
Comment by Frank M — December 21, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
Go back and hide under the bed scaredy cat. No one is saying that actual dangerous people and those who committed crimes should be released, we are saying they should be charged and have their day in court.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:37 pmHas anyone heard if Nader is running again?
Comment by Keltoi — December 21, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
On Democracy Now a few weeks back he mentioned that he was considering it.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:39 pm#21: They wouldn’t be there if they hadn’t been found doing something suspicious.
Comment by Frank M — December 21, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
Oh, that’s just too rich.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:40 pmWow. Everyone hates her. Amazing how that could be true and yet she could still get the nomination. A mystery.
Actually, I guess the mystery is what might be going on between Frank’s ears.
Comment by gummitch
Frank M listens to limbaugh and o’reilly for direction. Since those two losers claim Hillary is ‘hated’, Frank merely parrots the words. If the direction from limbaugh and o’reilly change, Frank will change as well.
Following direction is easier than thinking for yourself. What we call a robot, frank considers it devotion.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:40 pm14 - McCain’s been to the Green Zone, too, but no one cares.
Comment by tombaker — December 21, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
McCain-Obama is my dream match up of candidates with a shot at making it to the Big Show (not that McCain has much of a chance). Totally different courses for the country, but I could live with either of them as people.
Hill vs. Huck is terrifying - not only do I think their policies would suck, but each in their own way just scare the hell out of me as being in the Oval Office on the basis of their personalities.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:40 pm26 - like “driving while Arab”?
27 - What are you trying to demonstrate there, Mr. Golly?
December 21st, 2007 at 3:40 pmNader said he would consider running if Hillary got the nomination.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:41 pmFrank, youworthlesslittlepussyofaman: Prove there is a bomb-maker among the “detainees”. Just one out of the whole group. You can’t. Know why? No evidence. No trials. The same won’t apply for Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rice, and the other torturers and haters of our Constitutional ideology.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:41 pmNader can rot in hell as far as I’m concerned.
And when they “debate” Gitmo and waterboarding, I’d love to hear someone ask exactly what kind of behavior constitutes sadism.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:41 pmThere is a fifth dimension, beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground that joins church and state, confuses science and superstition, and it lies between the depth of faith and the summit of ignorance. This is the dimension of fundamentalism. It is an area which we call the Religious Twilight Zone. (Apologies to the Rod Serling Memorial Foundation)
December 21st, 2007 at 3:41 pmThey wouldn’t be there if they hadn’t been found doing something suspicious.
Comment by Frank M — December 21, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
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…like being brown and/or muslim.
Looking suspicious is not reason enough to put someone in prison, last time I checked. If we have any real evidence, then put them on trial, like they do in real democracies.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:41 pm#18: What’s the alternative? You’re going to release all these bomb-makers to general public?
Comment by Frank M — December 21, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
No, the alternative is to indict them and try them in a court setting in order to determine whether they’re bomb-makers and al-Qa’ida operatives, or just people in the wrong place at the wrong time.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:41 pm#19: The east coast liberals together with a big bundle of Soros money will give her the nomination.
Comment by Frank M — December 21, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
Without votes? Weird. What brand of crack have you been smoking?
December 21st, 2007 at 3:42 pmThat’s what all the guys on the football team used to say about your mother.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:42 pmGovernor Biblebee…
Comment by tombaker — December 21, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
Now THAT’S funny!
December 21st, 2007 at 3:42 pmSounds like a pretty damning statement about the condition of prisoners in Huckster’s Arkansas.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:43 pm31- I’m sure Gov. Biblebee is capable of way more havoc than HRC, who would merely become the 2nd best Republican President ever, right behind her husband. Not my fantasy result, mind you, but preferable. Having Obama on the ticket in any form would be a heartening step forward for the country, but the likelihood of his demise at the hands of a random, deranged righty are a serious concern to me.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:44 pmNader said he would consider running if Hillary got the nomination.
Comment by leftcoast — December 21, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
DOUGH!!
Weirdly, with her so despised by the left wing of the Democrats, a Hill-Huck-Nader race could net Nader some serious support.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:46 pmbut the likelihood of his demise at the hands of a random, deranged righty are a serious concern to me.
Comment by tombaker — December 21, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
Gawd, bite your keyboard, tombaker!
December 21st, 2007 at 3:46 pm#21: They wouldn’t be there if they hadn’t been found doing something suspicious.
Comment by Frank M — December 21, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
Or if they hadn’t been turned over to Pakistani forces by an acquaintance with a grudge who just wanted to collect the $5,000 reward.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:47 pmWhat’s the alternative? You’re going to release all these bomb-makers to general public?
Comment by Frank M — December 21, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
A 75 year old so afraid he’s going to die from a terrorist attack is so sad Jake. FYI you’re not going to live forever and pissing all over yourself won’t change that.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:47 pm#21: They wouldn’t be there if they hadn’t been found doing something suspicious.
Comment by Frank M
Franks world makes suspicious = torture and prolonged detention. To him that seems fair. No need for a trial or evidence. no need for due process. no need for that pesky document which many thousands of Americans throughout history have given their lives. No need for a conviction - just suspicion. Our founding fathers would not be proud.
Many innocents are being held because a rival sect or warlord accepted a bribe from the Americans to rat on them. Shame on you frank. You should know better.
OT: The ‘no fly’ list has grown to over 100,000 names. Do you truly believe there are that many known terrorists travelling around? Or possibly the bush administration is casting too wide a net and snagging up everybody in their security vaccuum?
December 21st, 2007 at 3:48 pmHill vs. Huck is terrifying - not only do I think their policies would suck, but each in their own way just scare the hell out of me as being in the Oval Office on the basis of their personalities.
Comment by Keltoi — December 21, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
Keltoi, what did we ever do to give you the impression we give a rat’s ass what you want or even think about?
December 21st, 2007 at 3:50 pmSo Huckabee and Frank M believe in that old medieval principle of “guilty until proven innocent”. Most of those guys in Gitmo were sold out by greedy neighbors who were seduced by the reward money. Typical neocon slime.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:50 pmhttp://www.humanrightsfirst.org/ us_law/ detainees/ rona_gitmo_intl_law.asp
December 21st, 2007 at 3:50 pmIf anything we treat sociopathic politicians too nice especially spiritual charlatans like Huckabee.
AF
December 21st, 2007 at 3:50 pmFrankie M(anure);
FYI: suspicion does NOT = guilt.
Innocent until PROVEN guilty, and the burdon of proof is on the prosecution. That’s the AMERICAN way.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:52 pmBush cartoon/Halliburton cartoon
December 21st, 2007 at 3:54 pm45 - Gee K, maybe I am overly concerned - it’s not as though anything like that has ever happened in the U.S., right?
December 21st, 2007 at 3:55 pmIt seems like the Christian think for Chuclebee to do would have been to go back to Arkansas and see what he could do about improving the prisons there.
After all he felt so sorry for the guy who raped Bill Clinton’s cousin he worked on getting him released so he could go out and kill two women. Why was he so compassionate toward Wayne Dumond and so apathetic about all the non murderous prisoners in Arkansas? If they had all committed crimes agains the Clinton family maybe they could all get out of prison.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:56 pm56 - exactly - “alleged bad guy cab drivers loose in Yemen” hardly seems as risky as “convicted murdering rapist child-molesters in the U.S.”; or maybe I’m faling to take something else into account…..
December 21st, 2007 at 3:59 pmladies and gentlemen, “huck” huckabee!
December 21st, 2007 at 3:59 pmMost of those guys in Gitmo were sold out by greedy neighbors who were seduced by the reward money. Typical neocon slime.
Comment by Proud American Liberal — December 21, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
Frankly once Democrats take over I’d happily turn over Frank and Napier and Keltoi over to officials for their work as traitors to the constitution and I’d do it for free.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:59 pmGod help us all if this fool becomes president.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:00 pmSince he thinks Guantanamo is so wonderful, I propose we challenge Huckabee to spend a week living as the inmates there live.
This man is even scarier than Bush.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:01 pmI realize I posted this before in a previous Huckabee thread, but, I just can’t help posting it again…enjoy:
December 21st, 2007 at 4:03 pmOr maybe Huckabee needs to go spend a week in the Arkansas prison since he couldn’t be bothered doing anything to make them a civil place compared to Gitmo.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:03 pmHuckabee has actually been to Club Gitmo. Have you?
Comment by good_golly — December 21, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
TRAITOR Bush needs to be in “club gitmo” and TORTURED until he DROPS DEAD, and goes to be with his MASTER Satan from there.
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 21st, 2007 at 4:03 pmI just love watching the trolls pull their “rational disconnect” over the Huckster and Hillary.
They can’t see any, of the many, negatives with the Huckster. Personally, I think he may be more stupid than Bush. He certainly wouldn’t be capable of exerting any real control over those who are far more clever than he is. This includes most people who manage to survive in the cesspool of government.
With Hillary, on the other hand, they claim they are convinced she’s unelectable, Yet, they are so terrified of her (well, it’s Bill who really scares them) they can’t let a story go by without redirecting it to a “Hillary’s the Devil” discussion.
I hope they never figure out how ridiculous it makes them appear. At least until the writer’s strike is settled. As it stands now; trolls are the best filler for the “comedy gap”.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:04 pmSerious question:
Why is it that nobody takes Kucinich seriously because he looks kind of funny, yet nobody notices that Huckleberry is equally as goofy looking???
Kucinich would look totally normal with his ears pinned back, but the Huckster really has the Gomer Pyle thing going on.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:04 pmFrankly once Democrats take over I’d happily turn over Frank and Napier and Keltoi over to officials for their work as traitors to the constitution and I’d do it for free.
Comment by Shayne — December 21, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
Now, now - let’s not turn into the people we criticize. Though I disagree with most of what they say, I support their right to say it. People should never be “turned over” or “locked up” for their opinions.
As a nation, we do need to invest in better civics education, so there will be fewer kids like Frank and Hendler who’ll turn over their Constitutional freedoms for a false sense of security. Or an iPod.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:05 pmThe east coast liberals together with a big bundle of Soros money will give her the nomination.
Comment by Frank M — December 21, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
Without votes? Weird. What brand of crack have you been smoking?
Comment by gummitch — December 21, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
No crack, gum; Frank is just a Republican. That’s how they understand elections are won.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:05 pmYou people are so silly, its amazing how you will stretch rational thoght to abstraction. He never advocated that the prisoners should be mistreated and he is for closing the place….
“Huckabee, who recently came out in favor of closing Guantanamo”
So whats the big deal?
December 21st, 2007 at 4:07 pmLooking suspicious is not reason enough to put someone in prison, last time I checked. If we have any real evidence, then put them on trial, like they do in real democracies.
Comment by Vet
Yeah. Isn’t it rather suspicious that they have had some of these guys for 5 years and haven’t been able to bring them to trial. Why would that be? Could it be that they have zero evidence against them?
December 21st, 2007 at 4:07 pmDefending such stupid and idiotic comments this guy Huckabible is closer to Herod Antipas than Jesus.
What an idiot.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:07 pm21: They wouldn’t be there if they hadn’t been found doing something suspicious.
Comment by Frank M — December 21, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
And Libby wouldn’t have been convicted of FELONY Perjury and Obstruction if he wasn’t a TRAITOR to the USA.
Like MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA.
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 21st, 2007 at 4:08 pmVictory is only delicious for righties when it is gained through lying and cheating.
(repressed “forbidden fruit” longings i’m sure, which is why their perversion streak runs to the deep and the weird)
December 21st, 2007 at 4:09 pmWhy is it that nobody takes Kucinich seriously because he looks kind of funny, yet nobody notices that Huckleberry is equally as goofy looking???
People aren’t taking Kucinich seriously because he looks kind of funny. Personally I think he looks just fine. They aren’t taking him seriously because they know nothing about him. And why is that? It’s because the media has a total blackout on Kucinich. I believe that the right is scared of Kucinich because they know that, if people really knew about him and his views, he would become a serious contender.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:10 pmAs a nation, we do need to invest in better civics education, so there will be fewer kids like Frank and Hendler who’ll turn over their Constitutional freedoms for a false sense of security. Or an iPod.
Comment by toasterhead — December 21, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
Oh OK, but could we not tell them how we’d really treat them?
December 21st, 2007 at 4:10 pmAnd yes Hilary is the Devil, LOL
December 21st, 2007 at 4:11 pmAnd yes Hilary is the Devil, LOL
Comment by bob84108 — December 21, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
Another name change?
December 21st, 2007 at 4:13 pmAnd yes MURDERER Bush is a COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA.
LOL
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 21st, 2007 at 4:14 pmnope, same name as always
December 21st, 2007 at 4:14 pmTo NRA Gun Nutes
I agree with you!!!!!!
LMAO
December 21st, 2007 at 4:15 pmYup, same name.
MURDERER Bush is a COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA.
LOL!!
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 21st, 2007 at 4:15 pm#5:In that case, Hillary’s toast. The fringe left hates Hillary, God-fearing people despise her, women will vote against her (a well known phenomenon in Europe where female candidates are more common) and Middle America doesn’t trust her.
Comment by Frank M
That’s interesting because in every single poll I have been able to find Hillary beats Huckabee by a very safe margin. But, then, Francine knows more than anyone else. He’s into Karl Rove’s math theories.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:16 pmAnother name change?
Comment by Shayne
The trolls are changing names as often as Condi changes her shoes. They sure are out in force today. I wonder what’s up with that.
Anyway, just keep flagging them. Sooner or later TP will ban them. Then they will be back with a new moniker. But then again, maybe they will get tired of being banned and really go away.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:18 pmI love the hypocrisy of right-wing Christians. The funny irony is that the (so-called) “Godless left” tends to follow the tenets professed by Jesus much moreso than the torture, hate and war-monger right-wing Christians of today.
Pass the popcorn, please.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:18 pmComment by bilbobaggins — December 21, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
December 21st, 2007 at 4:19 pm———————-
I agree. I’ve been blown away by Kucinich in every debate. Too bad that’s the only time I ever see him. It’s too bad the media wants the Dem race to be just Hillary and Obama.
To Shayne,
I know you cant believe us lying trolls, but I have not been here under any other name.
Yours truly
December 21st, 2007 at 4:20 pmbob84108
I do appreciate the Governor’s brave quest though, because it has turned the old-guard righties inside-out as they try to figure out what to do about him. He’s not “their boy”, and they can’t stand the idea that their Fundy base has broken loose, and stands an arguable chance of taking the nomination away from a player they can pull the strings on. All that leaves them in the distasteful position of having to throw all their weight behind either Rudy or Mitt, and none of them can agree on which of those pills is less bitter.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:20 pmTo Comment by Willy
The only person the Godless left follows is Karl Marx
December 21st, 2007 at 4:21 pmLet’s see if I understand the Bush cult logic.
Libby imprisoned for obstruction of justice (backed by evidence) = Witch hunt, Libby is innocent.
Muslims imprisoned with no charges, no evidence, and no end in sight = They must be guilty of something or they wouldn’t be there.
ooo-kk…
December 21st, 2007 at 4:21 pmOh Bob - you are a hoot!
December 21st, 2007 at 4:21 pmThe only person the Godless right follows is Adolf Hitler.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:22 pmTo Shayne you said,
“Anyway, just keep flagging them. Sooner or later TP will ban them. Then they will be back with a new moniker. But then again, maybe they will get tired of being banned and really go away.”
Just out curiosity, what can you get banned for here???
December 21st, 2007 at 4:23 pmComment by Gregor Samsa — December 21, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
December 21st, 2007 at 4:24 pm————————
You hit the nail on the head.
Conservatives, I think Mike Huckabee is the guy you should want as your Repub candidate. I’m serious. Please support Mike Huckabee. He’ll take you to the promised land.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:24 pmDr. Matt, bringin’ the tit-for-tat.
Old Bob is a hoot
let’s give him the boot
(watch out - i feel Suess spell coming over me……)
December 21st, 2007 at 4:24 pm92 - whatever we decide we want you banned for. it works just like the righty sites.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:25 pmI agree with you Dr. Matt. The Godless right does follow Hitler.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:25 pmTo Comment by Willy
The only person the Godless left follows is Karl Marx
Comment by bob84108 — December 21, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
Actually, I am on the LEFT and a CHRISTIAN, who believes in tolerance for the religions of ALL my fellow human beings.
As far as GODLESS goes, the LIES, MURDER and TORTURE committed and approved by MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the
USA show that he does NOT follow the Word of God nor Jesus.
Nor the FOLLOWERS of this COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA.
So, WHO does BusHitler follow?
Oh, right, his MASTER Satan…
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 21st, 2007 at 4:26 pmThe entire right is Godless.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:26 pmYou can ban me if you want, but then you would not have any fun calling me names.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:26 pmgood news….thanks for letting us know just how to treat you when we round your like minded repuglikkkan terrorists up in 2009 Pastor Hickabee
December 21st, 2007 at 4:26 pmI’ll stick to just calling you Bob, if that’s ok.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:27 pmTo NRA GUN NUTES,
If you areally are a Christian then, you will be next for the intollerant left.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:28 pmTo Shayne you said,
“Anyway, just keep flagging them. Sooner or later TP will ban them. Then they will be back with a new moniker. But then again, maybe they will get tired of being banned and really go away.â€
Just out curiosity, what can you get banned for here???
Comment by bob84108 — December 21, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
You sure that was me bobbo? I think you’re just a bit confused.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:28 pmThanks Tom :-)
December 21st, 2007 at 4:28 pm102 - nah - we just want to know how governor biblebee managed to raise a kid that tortures animals. animal torture is the gateway activity that most convicted serial killers have indulged in as young people, so there’s an important reason to get all the facts together.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:29 pmSorry Shanyne if you were not the one.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:31 pmTo NRA GUN NUTES,
If you areally are a Christian then, you will be next for the intollerant left.
Comment by bob84108 — December 21, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
???
Learned your “english” and spelling from MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA, eh?
LOL!!!
The left IS tolerant. MANY are Christian, and DO follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.
The RapeubliNazis like YOU, not…
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 21st, 2007 at 4:31 pmI beg to differ. In Arkansas, rapists can get early release and go on to rape and even murder if one of their victims is distantly related to a Clinton.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:31 pm“if we let somebody out†they could “come and fly an airliner into one of our skyscrapers.â€
::sigh::
If “we” let anyone out of any prison and/or jail, they could, conceivably, commit again the same crime they were convicted of; including flying an airliner into one of “our” skyscrapers -which not a single detainee in Guantanamo has been charged with.
Lost on Huckabee is the fact that people are imprisoned for crimes they have actually committed, not the ones they might, probably, potentially, maybe commit in the future.
I guess Mr. Huckabee is calling for indefinite detention for all inmates currently in the prisons system in the US.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:32 pmTo NRA,
Glad to hear your typing is better than mine. Your willingness to belittle my faults shows me what a true Christian you really are.
God Bless You
December 21st, 2007 at 4:33 pmComment by Billy Hill — December 21, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
December 21st, 2007 at 4:34 pm———————
http://www.breitbart.com. That’s kind of like The Onion for rightards, right?
Torture in Iraq may be worse now than it was under Saddam Hussein, with militias, terrorist groups and government forces disregarding rules on the humane treatment of prisoners, the U.N. anti-torture chief said Thursday.
dubyah’s “freedom” is on the march.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:36 pmWhen Saddam tortured, that was bad.
When herr dubyah tortures, that is good and American.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:38 pmComment by Billy Hill — December 21, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
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Yep. You win. Torture is BAD and should not be allowed. Let’s round up every muslim in the world, just in case some of them might want to torture us in the future.
You f’ing rightards need to grow some gonads and come out from under your beds.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:38 pmThis comes down to a simple question. Do the basic human rights in the constitution, the right to fair and speedy trial and that your innocent until proven guilty apply to just American Citizens or to other humans as well? Obviously people like frank M don’t think so.
But this kind of response, though appalling, isn’t entirely unexpected. Fear and war breeds hate. I think this sums it up nicely:
“For all I’ve seen has changed my mind
But still the wars go on as the years go by
With no love of God or human rights
‘Cause all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars”
(Guns N’ Roses: Civil War)
December 21st, 2007 at 4:38 pmOur founding fathers said you cant have true freedom unless you have a moral citizenry. Thats why we are losing our freedom here and that is why there will never be any in Iraq
December 21st, 2007 at 4:38 pmnah - we just want to know how governor biblebee managed to raise a kid that tortures animals. animal torture is the gateway activity that most convicted serial killers have indulged in as young people, so there’s an important reason to get all the facts together.
Comment by tombaker — December 21, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
Mabe that’s why Bibleberry helped the serial murderer Wayne Dumond get out of prison, he reminded him of his son. No it was the Clinton thing.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:39 pmYou f’ing rightards need to grow some gonads and come out from under your beds.
Comment by Vet — December 21, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
He’s not under the bed, or in the closet. He likes to call it “Mom’s basement” but it’s really just the crawl space under the double wide.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:40 pmHO-LEE CRAP! THIS JUST CANT BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14939983/
Comment by Billy Hill — December 21, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
But, but, but aren’t you going to tell us how that surge worked like a charm.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:40 pmOur founding fathers said you cant have true freedom unless you have a moral citizenry. Thats why we are losing our freedom here and that is why there will never be any in Iraq
Comment by bob84108 — December 21, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
And you think unlawfully holding prisoners and waterboarding them is “moral” as long as said prisoners are brown people, right?
December 21st, 2007 at 4:42 pmOur founding fathers said you cant have true freedom unless you have a moral citizenry. Thats why we are losing our freedom here and that is why there will never be any in Iraq
Comment by bob84108 — December 21, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
Considering the LACK of morals from the TREASONOUS Bush CRIMINAL Family, as well as Dick Cheney, Tom Delay, Rush, Coulter, Savage,
you can see WHY the USA is so fvkced.
TRAITORS who LIE and KILLand TORTURE in the name of God and Jesus.
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 21st, 2007 at 4:43 pm120 - “Informed” and “rational” were the qualities most emphasized by the Founders. You do make a valiant attempt though, at demagoguing that into an endorsement of a particular strain of religion (your own, no doubt)
December 21st, 2007 at 4:43 pmHO-LEE CRAP! THIS JUST CANT BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14939983/
Comment by Billy Hill — December 21, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
What happened hillbilly, did you just get your welfare check so you could fun the generator on your motor home? Or, have you been posting under a different name?
December 21st, 2007 at 4:44 pmHitler claimed he was a Christian too.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:45 pmwilliam’s a-cruzin’ for a flaggin’ today, too.
Bob - please note Billy’s behavior as one of the main reasons you encounter some rough treatment around here. Most folks have been pestered to distraction, and even those of saintly patience are wont to punch back. Don’t take it personally - I try not to when it’s coming my way from the other side, and you can be sure it does - frequently.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:47 pmJust out curiosity, what can you get banned for here???
Comment by bob84108 — December 21, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
Ask Mr. Pee.
Personally, I flag people for being way off topic (Hillary’s the Devil in a thread about the Huckster for instance) and gratuitous insults directed at groups.
I am, however, firmly in favor of directing deserved insults at individuals.
There is also a select, ever changing, group of names I “flag and ignore”. These are trolls who never add anything to any discussion, get their monikers banned regularly, and are here solely as vandals. If they can’t even provide comic relief, we don’t need ‘em.
I might add that I would love the opportunity to play poker against these morons. They have no idea how ineffective their “bluffs” are.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:49 pmLet’s be fair — do we know how prisoners are treated in Arkansas?
Scary thought.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:50 pmHow many prisoners in Ark. don’t have Habeus Corpus?
December 21st, 2007 at 4:50 pmBilly Hill, great link. Disturbing in so many ways. Wasn’t one of the key issues Bush was so fixated on was the torture that Saddam and his henchmen were conducting. That post shows the US and the Iraqi govt. are doing a worse job at stopping atrocities than they led us to believe.
Is this a sign things are getting better? no they aren’t.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:53 pmDo you mean, how many prisoners has Arkansas held, without charges, for indefinite periods?
December 21st, 2007 at 4:55 pmHuck would free every last one of ‘em if they raped a cousin of Bill Clinton and said they found Jesus.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:57 pmTo Comment by pete
How many times do you flag liberal insults? i.e.
FOLLOWERS of this COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA
The RapeubliNazis like YOU
As for me I joking called Hillary the Devil becaus of liberal comment set the presidence.
I hope you are equally fair in your flags!!!!!!!!!!
If not you will fall in line with most of the intolerant left.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:57 pmYa gotta love it.
According to neocons: if we “stay the course”, if we “increase our commitment”, if we abandon our ideals and, we are extremely lucky?
We might be able to return Iraq to the “high moral standards” which existed under Saddam.
Tell me again. What mission did we accomplish?
December 21st, 2007 at 5:00 pmSorry I have to go, but I will try to stick to topic, be less insulting and maybe a little funny at times. Hopefully I will be treated as fairly.
Have a very merry non PC Christmas
December 21st, 2007 at 5:01 pmNow now Rev. Huck is only giving the views of true Republican Christian and there values. Yes Rev. Huck would love to see US prisoners tortured like those in Gitmo, but if they tell him they found God and become Christian he will let them out to murder more people. Yes like most of the wacko Judges Bush pointed who also tell a killer if he/she repents and gives their soul to the GOP religion they will go free. As most say yes we see the crime rate go up. This is what happens when people use God’s name while working for Satan. Just ask Judas he showed the way.
December 21st, 2007 at 5:02 pmjeebus, I know justice is just a theory in the South, but at least in principle prisoners in Arkansas are only in prison because they have had a trial in accordance with the US Constitution and been found guilty of a crime(s)…indefinite detainees in Guantanimo: no such luck and none on the horizon.
What the hell is it with these sick, sick republicans? Have none of them read or understood the principles enshrined in the US Constitution. (rhetorical question because obviously they have NO IDEA what US Constitutional principles are.)
December 21st, 2007 at 5:08 pm.
#137 Tell me again. What mission did we accomplish?
One trillion in in ‘Military Industrial Complex’ funding using our ‘troops’ as bait.
December 21st, 2007 at 5:11 pmHow many times do you flag liberal insults?
Comment by bob84108 — December 21, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
At least as many as trolls. There are even a couple “regulars” who get the “flag and ignore” treatment. I’m kinda old fashioned about fairness and consistency.
Again, I consider insults in response to abuse, “spamming”, and flat-out lies, to be within the rules. And, of course, If one takes a statement directed at “trolls” as a personal attack; I suggest you change your affiliation.
I also allow a little leeway to attacks which separate “Republicriminals” and the many good, though deluded, people who still identify themselves as Republicans. Funny thing there. Most self-described Republicans I know are committed to voting against the neocon criminals who have seized control of the, once proud, GOP.
BTW, I didn’t flag your “Hillary’s the Devil” comment.
December 21st, 2007 at 5:15 pmMerry Christmas to all (except arn — I wouldn’t want him to ruin his day by actually being merry for once).
Comment by good_golly — December 21, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
Actually, it’s my BIRTHDAY, so I am as MERRY as can be.
And I hate NO ONE.
Just intensely dislike TRAITORS like BusHitler and YOU.
So, one more for da DICK:
Go Cheney yourself, you HO, HO, HO!!
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 21st, 2007 at 5:17 pmComment by pluege — December 21, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
I am reminded of Bill Maher’s comment re. “domestic surveillance”:
“I email myself the Constitution, every day, In the hopes someone in the government will read it”.
December 21st, 2007 at 5:18 pmThat’s ok, I think we treat our politians too nice.
December 21st, 2007 at 5:21 pmActually, it’s my BIRTHDAY, so I am as MERRY as can be.
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
Comment by Arn Gunnutes
Happy Birthday, Arn…
December 21st, 2007 at 5:23 pmComment by Arn Gunnutes — December 21, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
Happy Birthday Arn! It’s my wife’s big day as well. Excellent day to celebrate a Birthday AND Solstice.
Happy Saturnalia to all.
December 21st, 2007 at 5:25 pmI, for one, am really tired of the “intolerant left” babble that our conservative visitors like to spew so much, so often.
They come here to harass, insult, derail the threads, posting all kinds of condescending comments… until someone gets mad and insults back.
Then it’s, oh, ah, uh, that “intolerant left” wants to take away our “freedom of speech”.
Suck it up, Bush cultists… what a bunch of whiny crybabies you people really are.
December 21st, 2007 at 5:25 pmDoes Huckabee mean they have been torturing prisoners in Arkansas..?
December 21st, 2007 at 5:30 pmFor more background on Mike Huckabee the dangerous extremist and radical reactionary, see:
December 21st, 2007 at 5:32 pm- “Top 10 Moments in Mike Huckabee’s Extremism.”
- “10 More Moments in Mike Huckabee’s Extremism.”
Our founding fathers said you cant have true freedom unless you have a moral citizenry. Thats why we are losing our freedom here and that is why there will never be any in Iraq
Comment by bob84108 — December 21, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
Under Bush, religion has abandoned morality.
December 21st, 2007 at 5:33 pmComment by Gregor Samsa — December 21, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
Yes. It’s wearisome. Though I often get a chuckle out of their “it’s intolerant to call someone a racist” ploy.
The sheer magnitude of their projection, and compartmentalization, is monumental.
December 21st, 2007 at 5:39 pmThe sheer magnitude of their projection, and compartmentalization, is monumental.
Comment by pete — December 21, 2007 @ 5:39 pm
That was worth repeating….
I wholeheartedly agree.
December 21st, 2007 at 5:41 pmOur founding fathers said you cant have true freedom unless you have a moral citizenry. Thats why we are losing our freedom here and that is why there will never be any in Iraq
Comment by bob84108 — December 21, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
Dang! I missed this one.
The problem is that when our leaders, those who represent us to the World, challenge the most immoral regimes in history; it’s impossible for the morality of our citizenry to reach others.
Not to mention Iraq. The only way they could ever be considered “moral”, by the Reich-wingers, is to abandon their own moral code, culture, and religion. And forgive us for destroying their nation.
But hey! Don’t worry. The morality of our citizenry will soon banish the neocons to the dark chapters of history. Who knows? Our great-grandkids might be able to travel the world in friendship once again. (Forgive me, however, if I don’t hold my breath.)
December 21st, 2007 at 5:48 pm“better treatment than my prisoners in Arkansas”
So you treat your prisoners that badly, well I guess that makes you a criminal Governor then and you should be removed from office.
The repukian sickness spreads even wider, if this sick fcuk steals the election I will move to another country and push for UN sanctions against the US.
Buck Fush
December 21st, 2007 at 5:51 pmThanks for the Birthday Wishes.
Other birthdays today are: Frank Zappa, Jane Kaczmarek (Malcolm’s crazy mother), Jane Fonda, Benjamin Disraeli and Joseph Stalin
Sorry for my progressive colleague for the heaviness with which I show sometimes.
After 27 years of LIES from TRAITORS Reagan, Bush I, Rush, Coulter, Bush (MORON) Jr, I tend to push back.
Like the DoD PSYOPS here who like to make nonsensical, inflammatory comments, and then have “concern” that TP will get a “bad name”.
My response:
BURN IN HELL, TRAITORS Bush, Cheney and Rapeublinazi supporters.
Merry Christmas to ALL, and JAIL for the BushTraitors in 2009.
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 21st, 2007 at 6:12 pmMethinks Huckelberry, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Hayden, Rumsfeld, Lott, Petraeus, Rove, Gonzalez, et al should spend a week or two down in Gitmo while receiving that good old U.S. military and CIA “southern hospitality”.
December 21st, 2007 at 6:20 pmOops, I left out Rudy, Hillary, Mitt, Barak, Bill, John, Freddyand a few other pretenders.
Comment by Arn Gunnutes — December 21, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
Happy B-day!
No apologies needed. You leave little doubt about the source, and targets, of your righteous anger.
December 21st, 2007 at 6:26 pmWAAAAAY too nice to these terrorist scum bags at gitmo. They should be waterboarded until all useful information is extracted and then tried and shot. No more of this special muslim means and koran nonsense. They should be force fed pig feet.
December 21st, 2007 at 6:29 pmWAAAAAY too nice to these terrorist scum bags at gitmo. They should be waterboarded until all useful information is extracted and then tried and shot. No more of this special muslim means and koran nonsense. They should be force fed pig feet.
Comment by H8LiberalPussies — December 21, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
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So you disagree with Bush releasing over 400 of them. He must love terrorists.
December 21st, 2007 at 6:33 pmImagine the outrage in your community if your local prison just decided to release a couple hundred people because they determined they hadn’t done anything wrong - after claiming for years that these same people were the absolute worst of the absolute worst.
December 21st, 2007 at 6:34 pmY…..this just cant be…….I am “shockedâ€! I am sure the NYT will be all over this with a big front page story for weeks. We need to know everything that went on here.
http://www.breitbart.com/ article.php?id=D8TLVU3O0&show_article=1
Comment by Billy Hill
Why are you shocked Hillbilly? It looks like the Iraqi’s have learned well from the example we have set. Are you proud that we have taught them to torture. Or, maybe we didn’t actually teach them. Maybe they just think, well if the Americans can do it, then we can too. This is what happens when you go down that slippery slope. But that’s a concept that is way out of your ability to understand.
December 21st, 2007 at 7:24 pmOur founding fathers said you cant have true freedom unless you have a moral citizenry. Thats why we are losing our freedom here and that is why there will never be any in Iraq
Comment by bob84108
Anyone besides me getting the feeling that this new whack job is Darryl back under a new cover name?
December 21st, 2007 at 7:29 pmGood eye, bilbo. I would never have thought Daryll would be one to name-shift, but there is an eerie similarity in rhetorical styles.
December 21st, 2007 at 7:31 pmDoes America really want to consider another Governor from Arkansas who also has trouble with the State Police from his own state?
December 21st, 2007 at 7:57 pmGeeez………….
It’s like deja-vu all over again……
Run Huck, run. Another nut case science denier. No reason to do anything but pray to the old man with a beard in the sky that controls everything. This is all the GOP can come up with. Pathetic.
December 21st, 2007 at 8:07 pmFrankie has some suspicious chemicals under his sink, maybe even a bag of fertilizer in his garage. He won’t mind going to GITMO for a swim and the excellent food.
December 21st, 2007 at 8:09 pm“BARKBEATLE I also forgot to mention that when someone asks you to remove the coil wire on your old Ford truck while it is running be sure to lift one foot off the ground. Thank me very much.”
Comment by Billy Hill — December 21, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
Better listen; this is the voice of experience talking - personal experience. Dad sure was quite a jokester, eh, Billy? Now we know why you’re a sociopath.
December 21st, 2007 at 8:11 pmOdd. I always pictured the BH troll as a strict “rubber gloves man(?)”.
December 21st, 2007 at 8:17 pmwith guys like this, and the ones that already stated all of this crap…They’ve started the spiral, and it will end up spinning and spinning until people are regularly being blown up on American soil if they don’t stop. There is no end if confrontation and killing is your answer to everything. Your either with them or against them, and it looks like aare with them at least in spirit, fighting fire with fire. I’m not saying I want that at all, quite the opposite, but you can see it coming at some point if they keep at it.
December 21st, 2007 at 11:05 pm*
‘If Anything,’ We Treat the Beheaders At Guantanamo Bay ‘Too Nice’
DITTO…
*bert
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Comment by BERT CONVY — December 22, 2007 @ 1:58 am
We do? Then why have NONE of them been CHARGED with BEHEADING if that’s who’s there? What about the 400+ INNOCENT prisoners that Bush released AFTER TORTURING THEM? Many of them CHILDREN? You also believe they were treated ‘too-nice’, MightyTard’ie?
December 22nd, 2007 at 3:10 amWhatsoever you do to the least of your brothers, so you do unto me…..
December 22nd, 2007 at 3:45 amWhat’s “too nice”? They are people.
December 22nd, 2007 at 5:12 amjulie
I agree with him. I mean, Jesus got off waaaay too easy.
December 22nd, 2007 at 11:02 amNever before has a President and Vice President deserved to be impeached more than these.
Yet our Speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, is working behind the scenes with House Democrats, not to build a consensus for impeachment, but to do just the opposite: to keep others from succeeding in their effort to hold this president accountable by means of impeachment.
With the FISA bill still looming in the Senate, and a new war funding bill passed with no structure in place to Bring our Troops Home, we have to show the leaders of the House and Senate that this is still our country.
Please read the petition to replace Pelosi with a Democratic Representative who will bring impeachment proceedings to the floor. A Question of Privilege under House Rules IX can declare the Speaker seat vacant.
It can be done, it must be done. We have waited long enough.
http://www.petitiononline.com/everyman/petition.html
December 22nd, 2007 at 11:27 amSo how many years of torture is appropriate according to Huckabee? 30?
None of those being held at Gitmo will ever be tried yet they will remain in prison forever with people like Huckabee in charge, even being subjected to a little sport that most would call torture. How does this sporting event end? Do they bring n the lions?
Watching this race to the bottom is just plain sickening. Huckabee is just as perverted as Mark Foley.
December 22nd, 2007 at 12:43 pmHe wanted to say “I wish Guantanamo would send all those damn 5 year old tarrorist suspects that have no rights to me I would know how to put the fear of the lord in their evil little harts!”
December 22nd, 2007 at 1:47 pmthose who oppose Guantanamo bay, should at least oppose it for the right reasons. The “facts” that people post on these boards are inaccurate and inconsistent with the way that GTMO is run. i know on a first hand basis that there is no torture here (since i have been involved here) and 80% of detainees are not kept in isolation. the only thing wrong with GTMO is the commissions process and trials. i believe that each detainee needs time in front of the judge (which is taking far too long) to see evidence and determine whether they are unlawful or not. if these men are guilty then they have made out better than any prisoner in the states. if they are innocent then i do feel remorse for them and their families that have suffered, but at least they are alive, safe, and healthy. that is my two cents
December 22nd, 2007 at 10:44 pm