Comment by Southern Man

Apparently New Orleans was unique, in that it never experienced white flight to the suburbs. It was liberals that forced blacks into the worst part of the city, not that disinvestment by whites in urban areas caused them to exist. Now I get it.

Clueless.

Historically, the left banned children labor in industrialized countries, gave women the right to vote and good labor condition (8 hrs/day, etc.) So next time you want to talk sh*t about the left, begin working 18 hours a day.

The soul of New Orleans is still here and it doesn’t need to shoe-horned into the projects to survive. Jazz was born before there were projects and it thrived, maybe you’ve heard of it. Our cultural traditions rely on our people and a lot of those people (white and black) are coming back. We’re not going to be a “white-Disneyland” as one commenter suggested; the people of New Orleans (white and black) won’t allow it. But we can’t continue to do things the way we’ve been doing them. We have to do something different. There’s housing available in the city and vouchers available to help pay rents. A lot of the rental properties have been newly renovated or built (for obvious reasons). It took me a long time to come over to this position, but we HAVE to change to survive. I love NOLA with all my being, warts and all. But if we can’t turn the city around, if we can’t build an economy on something more than tourism, if we can’t educate our children, if we can’t provide a decent place to live, not just a roof, but a safe, secure home and city to live in, the city is not going to make it.

with two t’s moron. Like Twattle. Prattle, things you do incessantly.

Comment by Southern Man — December 21, 2007 @ 1:36 pm

Ah, I see. Outside agitators are to blame. Why is that so familiar? Hmmm. Something about the 60s . . .

Comment by tombaker — December 21, 2007 @ 1:04 pm

Unfortunately, “Europe” is not a subdivision in Orange County, yet…

Comment by Bluedahlia — December 21, 2007
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Poor choices in life. Drug and alcohol abuse. Mental illness.

#163 my take on the religious right aligning with the republican party is that it all boils down to money, period. Realistically once you study them, the teachings of Christ are more in line with the democrat/liberal way of thinking, especially when you take the biggie, the sermon on the mount and the crucifixion (giving yourself for the sake of others). Anyhow the way I have always seen it is the current crop of republicans (note I did not say conservatives) is totally fixated on lowering taxes. The leaders of the so called religious right are mainly pretty wealthy and white. They have gained their wealth via their churches, the more influence they have the larger their flock, the higher their income etc… On a personal level they can benefit if they get guys into the White House and congress who are sympathetic to lowering taxes so they push the low tax guys and get their flocks to follow along by trying to focus on one or two issues…mainly abortion, but lately the faith based stuff, and the dreaded harbinger of the end of society…gay marriage. It has provided both with benefits. One thing that kind of pints me in that direction is that over the last six years the republican dominated congress has passed law after law that would normally never see the light of day (approval of torture, approval of warranties wiretapping being two). SO they have had the ability to push through unsavory legislation that when seriously challenged will probably not pass by the supreme court. Anyhow my point is that in spite of passing all these bills they never once tried to get an abortion law passed, why not? Because they need that hot topic to stick around as a campaign issue. The republican party needs it and the religious right needs it to keep the masses salivating.

Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Eid al-Adha (or however you choose to acknowledge it) and Happy Holidays to everyone else during this season. Hoping everyone the best and stay safe during the holidays, especially New Years Eve.

Sayonara everyone, talk to you next year.

You mentioned quite a few issues and in the interest of not destroying the bandwidth, it would make little sense to debate all of them at once.

EVERY issue has a counterpoint, some which we may debate over and some which we may agree on. The point of debating them is to raise awareness on the idea that consensus is not fact and that compromise needs to be found.

In reference to your post on global warming, I would agree that there is nothing wrong with taking steps to reduce the amount of man-made pollution, the problem is that there seems to be a severe disinclination by GW proponents to agree that nature itself can have its own large contribution to the phenomenon.

Throwing in bits like “you just hate brown people” won’t gain you many converts and will more than likely make opponents of those who might have been willing to earnestly listen to your pov.

No, I mean with people building cardboard tenements next to the city dump or having thousands of disabled beggars falling dead in the streets.

I agree, however, not on the way the situation was handled. That was a III World country response.

#156 but my point that sometimes there is not counterpoint is to be ignored? For instance that Plame was not covert. The argument comes up time and time again in spite of the fact that the CIA has said numerous times, yes, she was covert. See in the minds of people who listen to ell the evidence as it was presented there is no counterpoint here. Ditto to trickledown. The blow up brown people comment is to show the dichotomy of the rights arguments. In the face of what seems like mountains of evidence they deny global warming, yet with very little evidence they seem to have no trouble invading a sovereign nation and when their reasons for invasion dry up they change the subject, redefine the goals etc…the comment had nothing to do with the global warming part of my post. comprehension, comprehension!!

Another example torture. Right wingers defend our right to torture tooth and nail. The administration redefines torture to suit their purposes the argument gets clouded with our justifications for torture. Here’s a clue for you all, the other side can make arguments to convince their people of the need to torture our people. We of course will not agree with their reasoning. But what has happened is that we have lowered our selves to their level and 30% of the population does not care and is actively working the other 70% of the population to make everything foggy. It’s a black and white issue there really is not another side to the argument that torture is wrong, yet you would not know that by looking out over the US today. It is always wrong because 1) it provides useless information and 2) the other guys can coem up with justification for doign it also.