Comments on: Labor board stifles unions’ use of e-mail. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:55:26 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: andy42302 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-4204285 andy42302 Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:03:03 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/#comment-4204285 I have to agree with Mr. Nunsworth of post #25. At the end of the day, it's up to the company on how one can use their equipment. This really is a non issue. Mr. Ben Dover of post #8, the mindset that unions have somehow outlived their function is akin to saying that police protection is no longer needed in an area that crime rate has dropped. Realistically, with the near demise of company pensions, less health insurance, skilled tradesman making near 1980's wages-while Walmart is setting a standard of about $7 an hour, and a welcome mat for cheap labor at our boarders while our corporate folks are taking home the bulk of the profits, I beg to differ. I have to agree with Mr. Nunsworth of post #25. At the end of the day, it’s up to the company on how one can use their equipment. This really is a non issue.

Mr. Ben Dover of post #8, the mindset that unions have somehow outlived their function is akin to saying that police protection is no longer needed in an area that crime rate has dropped. Realistically, with the near demise of company pensions, less health insurance, skilled tradesman making near 1980’s wages-while Walmart is setting a standard of about $7 an hour, and a welcome mat for cheap labor at our boarders while our corporate folks are taking home the bulk of the profits, I beg to differ.

]]> By: IMPEACH NOW http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-4204047 IMPEACH NOW Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:48:45 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/#comment-4204047 <strong>FDR passed the National Labor Relations Act to protect workers</strong>. Now George Bush has packed the Labor Board with his cronies – and they're serving corporate bigwigs at the expense of workers. Join Change to Win in condemning Bush’s Labor Board and demanding that it protect workers! Read more... http://www.haloscan.com/comments/katsiva/6189016512788959168/?a=33746#2693466 unemployment is down? How do you know? You only know what you are told. Once a persons unemployment benefits are up after 26 weeks, the government counts them as working, regardless if they are or not. FDR passed the National Labor Relations Act to protect workers.

Now George Bush has packed the Labor Board with his cronies – and they’re serving corporate bigwigs at the expense of workers.

Join Change to Win in condemning Bush’s Labor Board and demanding that it protect workers!
Read more…

http://www.haloscan.com/comments/katsiva/6189016512788959168/?a=33746#2693466

unemployment is down? How do you know? You only know what you are told.

Once a persons unemployment benefits are up after 26 weeks, the government counts them as working, regardless if they are or not.

]]> By: nunsworth http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-4204013 nunsworth Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:27:35 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/#comment-4204013 I am a vice president of our local and on our negotiating team. Obviously I am very pro-union. While I clearly recognize how this (and other) administrations have worked to undermine the union movement, I believe this is a poor issue to use as further evidence of the anti-union effort. Why should any employee provide company resources to the union? How did unions communicate with members before email? It strikes me as a bit stupid for a company to actively work to piss off members of potential members by denying the use of email, denying unions the use of a vacant conference room during off hours, etc, but to hail this as some sort of landmark, anti-union action when it isn't such a big deal could be counter-productive to strengthening union rights to organize in general. I am a vice president of our local and on our negotiating team. Obviously I am very pro-union. While I clearly recognize how this (and other) administrations have worked to undermine the union movement, I believe this is a poor issue to use as further evidence of the anti-union effort. Why should any employee provide company resources to the union? How did unions communicate with members before email? It strikes me as a bit stupid for a company to actively work to piss off members of potential members by denying the use of email, denying unions the use of a vacant conference room during off hours, etc, but to hail this as some sort of landmark, anti-union action when it isn’t such a big deal could be counter-productive to strengthening union rights to organize in general.

]]> By: MapleStreet http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-4203957 MapleStreet Mon, 24 Dec 2007 02:25:20 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/#comment-4203957 #6 Klem, may I add worker organization led to demands for safe working conditions, workers comp for injured workers, healthcare (my bad, we know that the repubs want to do away with that....), etc. #6 Klem,

may I add worker organization led to demands for safe working conditions, workers comp for injured workers, healthcare (my bad, we know that the repubs want to do away with that….), etc.

]]> By: ucsbclassics53 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-4203767 ucsbclassics53 Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:17:39 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/#comment-4203767 i mean that they thought the Nazis were liberal and left-wing, sorry i mean that they thought the Nazis were liberal and left-wing, sorry

]]> By: ucsbclassics53 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-4203766 ucsbclassics53 Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:17:02 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/#comment-4203766 i mean the Nazis... i mean the Nazis…

]]> By: ucsbclassics53 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-4203765 ucsbclassics53 Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:16:41 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/#comment-4203765 yeah, #20. Just don't tell the Wingnuts who think they are liberals and left-wingers... yeah, #20. Just don’t tell the Wingnuts who think they are liberals and left-wingers…

]]> By: OxyCon http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-4203670 OxyCon Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:46:19 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/#comment-4203670 Hitler hated Unions too. That's one of the reasons why America's right wingers supported him and financially backed him, along with his hatred of brown people. Hitler hated Unions too. That’s one of the reasons why America’s right wingers supported him and financially backed him, along with his hatred of brown people.

]]> By: rastaman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-4203613 rastaman Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:30:11 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/#comment-4203613 <strong>Fourteen Defining Characteristics of Fascism #10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated.</strong> Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice. Fourteen Defining Characteristics of Fascism

#10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated.

Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.

]]> By: tombaker http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-4203585 tombaker Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:39:21 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/#comment-4203585 organized labor is the one thing Righty fears most, and the one and only chance the people of this country have to put their concerns on equal footing with those of the Havemores, who use righty as a guard dog to keep people down. support organized labor, or kiss the whole "american dream thing" goodbye. organized labor is the one thing Righty fears most, and the one and only chance the people of this country have to put their concerns on equal footing with those of the Havemores, who use righty as a guard dog to keep people down.

support organized labor, or kiss the whole “american dream thing” goodbye.

]]> By: pluege http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-4203573 pluege Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:20:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/#comment-4203573 unions should have started their own email accounts long ago. It would improve member identification with the union, prevent companies from inspecting union emails (which they have a right to do if they're providing the infrastructure), and would prevent the current nonsense facilitated by the bush administration. . unions should have started their own email accounts long ago. It would improve member identification with the union, prevent companies from inspecting union emails (which they have a right to do if they’re providing the infrastructure), and would prevent the current nonsense facilitated by the bush administration.
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]]> By: bilbobaggins http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-4203562 bilbobaggins Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:03:45 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/#comment-4203562 So Ben Dover, I bet you are all for free market rule. So tell me what you think about an HMO who denied a teenager a liver transplant because some bean counter decided that it was too expensive? Did you know that she died because of this decision. That's what our free market system of capitalism creates. And that's why we need single payer universal health care. Health care should be a right and not a privilege. There is no reason why anyone should die in this country because they don't have health insurance. So Ben Dover, I bet you are all for free market rule. So tell me what you think about an HMO who denied a teenager a liver transplant because some bean counter decided that it was too expensive? Did you know that she died because of this decision. That’s what our free market system of capitalism creates. And that’s why we need single payer universal health care. Health care should be a right and not a privilege. There is no reason why anyone should die in this country because they don’t have health insurance.

]]> By: bilbobaggins http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-4203558 bilbobaggins Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:59:26 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/#comment-4203558 <em>I think they are an ancient artifact of a bygone era akin to farm subsidies for farmers and keeping the Rural Electrification Administration function in the age of the Internet. Comment by Ben Dover</em> Oh really, then why have workers rights, pay and benefits eroded significantly ever since Ronnie Ray Gun started his union busting? I'm betting that you have a cushy white collar job that you feel very secure in. Hopefully it requires some sort of knowledge that can't be gained in India because if it doesn't, you may just be out of a job at the rate we are going. And you may end up in having to take one of those formerly union jobs that now have crappy benefits, pay and workers rights. I think they are an ancient artifact of a bygone era akin to farm subsidies for farmers and keeping the Rural Electrification Administration function in the age of the Internet.
Comment by Ben Dover

Oh really, then why have workers rights, pay and benefits eroded significantly ever since Ronnie Ray Gun started his union busting?

I’m betting that you have a cushy white collar job that you feel very secure in. Hopefully it requires some sort of knowledge that can’t be gained in India because if it doesn’t, you may just be out of a job at the rate we are going. And you may end up in having to take one of those formerly union jobs that now have crappy benefits, pay and workers rights.

]]> By: whatdoido http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-4203545 whatdoido Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:39:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/#comment-4203545 So it's ok to steal company resources as long as it fits your agenda. Do you have the right to use company stationary at will? Typical "progressive" justification. So it’s ok to steal company resources as long as it fits your agenda.

Do you have the right to use company stationary at will?

Typical “progressive” justification.

]]> By: scytherius http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-4203542 scytherius Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:33:38 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/#comment-4203542 Agreed GL2814. As a retired attorney, I would be quite confident in it being overturned, but when you read the rantings of Scalia and Thomas, well, god only knows. Agreed GL2814. As a retired attorney, I would be quite confident in it being overturned, but when you read the rantings of Scalia and Thomas, well, god only knows.

]]> By: GL2814 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-4203541 GL2814 Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:32:10 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/#comment-4203541 <em>This should end up in the Court system. And even though it’s got it’s fair share of knuckle-draggers, the courts will likely overturn this absurd ruling.</em> I'd like to believe that, if this got all the way to the SCOTUS, it would be rejected. However, after the SCOTUS ruled in favor of eminent domain, and Chimpy McDumbass put both Roberts & Alito on the court. I fear the it would rule in favor of such lunacy. This should end up in the Court system. And even though it’s got it’s fair share of knuckle-draggers, the courts will likely overturn this absurd ruling.

I’d like to believe that, if this got all the way to the SCOTUS, it would be rejected. However, after the SCOTUS ruled in favor of eminent domain, and Chimpy McDumbass put both Roberts & Alito on the court. I fear the it would rule in favor of such lunacy.

]]> By: scytherius http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-4203540 scytherius Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:21:55 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/#comment-4203540 This should end up in the Court system. And even though it's got it's fair share of knuckle-draggers, the courts will likely overturn this absurd ruling. This should end up in the Court system. And even though it’s got it’s fair share of knuckle-draggers, the courts will likely overturn this absurd ruling.

]]> By: GSD http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-4203539 GSD Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:18:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/#comment-4203539 Abolish unions, reinsitute indentured servitude! -G Abolish unions, reinsitute indentured servitude!

-G

]]> By: Fan of Man http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-4203536 Fan of Man Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:08:02 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/#comment-4203536 <strong>BUSHIES HATE ANYTHING TO DO WITH: American, Civil Liberties and Unions</strong> BUSHIES HATE ANYTHING TO DO WITH:

American, Civil Liberties and Unions

]]> By: Ben Dover http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-4203535 Ben Dover Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:06:33 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/23/labor-board-stifles-unions-use-of-e-mail/#comment-4203535 Unions had a place and function in the days when Upton Sinclair wrote "The Jungle" but I think we have moved a tad beyond that don't you? I dont belong to a union and would not work where it was a requirement. I think they are an ancient artifact of a bygone era akin to farm subsidies for farmers and keeping the Rural Electrification Administration function in the age of the Internet. Unions had a place and function in the days when Upton Sinclair wrote “The Jungle” but I think we have moved a tad beyond that don’t you? I dont belong to a union and would not work where it was a requirement. I think they are an ancient artifact of a bygone era akin to farm subsidies for farmers and keeping the Rural Electrification Administration function in the age of the Internet.

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