9/11 Commission Chairman: ‘No Question’ CIA Attempted ‘To Impede Our Investigation’
9/11 Commission Chairman: ‘No Question’ CIA Attempted ‘To Impede Our Investigation’
In its attempts to uncover all materials related to the 9/11 attacks, the 9/11 Commission specifically requested material about the interrogations of Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri. The New York Times has revealed that the CIA destroyed tapes of the two men’s interrogation without informing the 9/11 Commission about their existence.
On Saturday, former CIA Deputy Director John McLaughlin told CNN:
I think it’s ludicrous to suggest, in fact, that we withheld anything of consequence from the 9/11 Commission. Anything that was on the tapes that would be relevant to their inquiry was given to them in writing, and the tapes would have simply not advanced their inquiry at all.
In fact, the tapes were highly relevant to the Commission’s inquiry. Philip Zelikow — the former staff director of the 9/11 Commission — explained: “The Commission was not investigating the treatment of captives. But it did seek information not only about the 9/11 plot, but also any intelligence information about the history and evolution of al Qaeda and its connections to other terrorist entities. Therefore, from the start, the Commission sought to obtain all relevant information gleaned from the interrogation of captives.”
This morning on CNN, 9/11 Commission Chairman Thomas Kean there is “no question” the CIA was aware that its now-destroyed videotapes depicting severe interrogations were among evidence being sought by 9/11 Commission investigators, and the destruction of the tapes was an attempt to “impede our investigation”:
We asked for every single thing that they had. And then my vice chairman, Lee Hamilton, looked the director of the CIA in the face, and said, Look, even if we haven’t asked for something, if it’s pertinent to our investigation, make it available to us. And our staff asked again and again of their staff and the tapes were not given to us. So, there was no question.[...]
I mean, no question that we again and again and again asked for everything, and we needed it, and we weren’t given it. And so, the only conclusion we can draw is it was withheld from us. And that can only be seen to me as an attempt to impede our investigation.
Watch it:
CIA spokesman Mike Mansfield said recently that the tapes weren’t destroyed until 2005 “because it was thought the commission could ask about the tapes at some point.” So, the CIA withheld the tapes and destroyed the evidence later, ensuring no one could view them to determine whether they were relevant to the Commission’s inquiry.
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...and nothing will ever be done about it,
December 24th, 2007 at 12:17 pmand nothing will ever be done about it,
and nothing will ever be done about it...
Add this to the ever increasing pile of Bushco law breaking ... CROOK fatigue. Until we get a Congress with balls nothing will happen. Nothing.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:21 pmI believe this is the "smoking gun" which will level this presidency. If there was nothing of importance on these tapes, then why destroy them? Maybe these tapes revealed things which the Bush administration would rather the people NOT know regarding 911? Hmm....where there's smoke, there's always fire! This case gets dicier for Bush by the moment. No wonder he's planning foreign travel this coming year; in fact, most americans wish he'd leave and stay there for good.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:26 pmkdoug: If the spineless Democrats in Congress do nothing about this, it will cost them registered voters in 08, no doubt about it.
However, with regard to what this does to the Bush administration and all of it's flunkies is to further besmerch anyone/everyone associated with it for the rest of their lives.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:28 pmFrom cursory appearances, these tapes were intentionally NOT presented to the 911 commission which means that the "official 911 report" is full of bunk. Time to reopen the 911 commission and see what all of the scientists are saying about the "improbable collapse" as well. This is definitely NOT something Bush Co wants to occur at this point in time. This is the "smoking gun" in more ways than one and will finally connect every dot back to 911.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:30 pmOne big collective "Merry Christmas to George W. Bush" - impeachment!
December 24th, 2007 at 12:30 pmJust sing along, "All I want for Christmas are my two front Impeachments..."
December 24th, 2007 at 12:32 pmGerald Posner reported that Zubaydah gave up three royal Saudi princes and a Pakistani intelligence officer as people who knew of the plot. When the Saudis were given the names of their princes, the three men were dead within a week. The Pakistani was killed in a plane explosion along with his wife and staff. I believe that the interrogation revealing this is was the reason the tapes were destroyed. ANd we all know how close the Bush and Saud families have been for decades.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:33 pmHas anyone discussed the possibility of transcripts of the tapes? Were any made? If so, were they destroyed?
December 24th, 2007 at 12:38 pmBrown set to oppose MP pay rise
December 24th, 2007 at 12:38 pmWayne S, that's exactly why they were destroyed, it wasn't the technique, it was the result.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:39 pm#9 A human scream anticipating an imitate death can not be transcribed.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:54 pm#9 A human scream anticipating an imminent death can not be transcribed.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:55 pmCIA impeded the investigation ? DUH !!
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December 24th, 2007 at 1:07 pmApparently you've never read Steven King then. I'm not convinced that no transcripts were ever created. The CIA is very meticulous and this would have been a way to pass on the content without creating other copies. I find it hard to believe that this wasn't done.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:07 pmWhy does the word chimpede just keep playing over and over in my mind.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:20 pmWelcome to fascist america.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:23 pmWe asked for every single thing that they had. And then my vice chairman, Lee Hamilton, looked the director of the CIA in the face, and said, Look, even if we haven’t asked for something, if it’s pertinent to our investigation, make it available to us.
CIA spokesman Mike Mansfield said recently that the tapes weren’t destroyed until 2005 “because it was thought the commission could ask about the tapes at some point.â€
There it is, the whole case. What will our Congress do?
December 24th, 2007 at 1:27 pmJust sing along, “All I want for Christmas are my two front Impeachments…â€
Comment by Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre — December 24, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
♫"And for Nancy to find a Table...."♫
December 24th, 2007 at 1:29 pmDeck the halls with balls of Chimpy, fa la la la la, la la fa la!
December 24th, 2007 at 1:33 pm♫ It's beginning to look a lot like Impeachment
December 24th, 2007 at 1:43 pmEv'rywhere you go
Lets give them all five to ten,
Restore order once again
With a table for Nancy, ya know ♫
We are living under an undefined coup.
Congress is the heart of the problem. Nobody expects a crook to have a change of heart in the middle of their crime. Crook are supposed to behave with criminal intent.
It is the cop on the beat that ,for whatever reason, just sits idle while watching the crime in process. For whatever reason.
We can easily figure out what happened on 911 (the whole truth) if those in charge of policing would do what they are bound by law to do. It makes the Congress an accomplice. Really ssad and scary. There will take a few election cycles to rid this. Even those in 2006 who won on anti war platforms are going to be cycled out for not taking action the crimes of Bush CO. It will take a while.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:55 pmThe CIA says that documents didn't include videotapes. That's just like a blowjob wasn't sex.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:58 pmOf course the Constitution isn't law in this administration just like Nixon wasn't a crook in days long gone.
Impeachment is off the table. In fact the table has been removed in the interest of national security.
This country was doomed when the psychopath in chief and his vice were appointed.
Here's video of Dick Cheney smiling while his office burned last week. Gee, wonder why he's so happy?
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/22516-dick-cheney-s-face-after-his-office-burned
December 24th, 2007 at 2:04 pmOff course they did! 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB. CIA/BLACKWATER/CHENNEY
December 24th, 2007 at 2:27 pmWhat? This administration has not been honest about 9/11 related phenomena? Are you kidding? Who woulda thunk it? You people must be whacko conspiracy nuts.
Pardon the sarcasm, but isn't it about time Americans wised-up about the whole 9/11 lie? Or do you really think the actual attack of that day is the one thing Bush, Cheney, CIA, FBI, Condi, Rummey, et alia would never (could never) lie about?
I'm sick to death of this cover-up. And if I can get a job in a non-war-on-terror country, I'll gladly give the finger to this travesty of a broken country and scoot the hell outta here.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:29 pmNow why would the Cheney-Bush CIA wish to hamper an investigation into 9/11?
December 24th, 2007 at 2:32 pm♫â€And for Nancy to find a Table….â€â™«!!!!!!
THAT IS SO FUNNY!!!!!! hAHAHAAAAA!
December 24th, 2007 at 2:33 pmBush and Cheney REFUSED to TESTIFY UNDER OATH to the 9/11 Commission, which they resisted forming for OVER A YEAR.
Pat Tillman's FRIENDLY FIRE death is covered by "executive privilege".
The Saudi financiers of Al Queda are friends of BusHitler and Cheney.
They ARE the ENEMY of the USA and all it EVER stood for.
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 24th, 2007 at 2:34 pm♫ It’s beginning to look a lot like Impeachment
Ev’rywhere you go
Lets give them all five to ten,
Restore order once again
With a table for Nancy, ya know ♫
YOU MADE MY CHRISTMANS! HAHAHAHAAAA!
December 24th, 2007 at 2:36 pmThe fire in Dick Cheney's office was an act of G-d. Dick has a messiah complex.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:38 pmDumb Question : Who appointed the members of the 9/11 commission ?
Just that the M.O. of the repub insiders is to pretend to be after the truth but in reality keep everyone's wheels spinnning so that the truth is never found.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:39 pmMapleStreet... this isn't a dumb question. It's quite critical. Remember that the first chairman that Bush appointed to the 9/11 commission was Kissinger! That says it all. Henry left only after the 9/11 widows found out that his firm counted the Bin Laden family as clients. He chose to step down rather than disclose his client list.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:51 pmThe terrorist do hate us for our freedom and the Patriot Act and Military Commissions Act and the new FISA bill is proof.
When will we get it? They didn't want an investigation...
They tried to put Kissenger in charge...
Bush would only testify without taking the oath and without recording devises and with Cheney by his side to tell him what to say.
And NIST still can't explain why building 7 fell down?
Wake up people...
December 24th, 2007 at 3:22 pmNever before has a President and Vice President deserved to be impeached more than these.
Yet our Speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, is working behind the scenes with House Democrats, not to build a consensus for impeachment, but to do just the opposite: to keep others from succeeding in their effort to hold this president accountable by means of impeachment.
With the FISA bill still looming in the Senate, and a new war funding bill passed with no structure in place to Bring our Troops Home, we have to show the leaders of the House and Senate that this is still our country.
Please read the petition to replace Pelosi with a Democratic Representative who will bring impeachment proceedings to the floor. A Question of Privilege under House Rules IX can declare the Speaker seat vacant.
It can be done, it must be done. We have waited long enough.
http://www.petitiononline.com/everyman/petition.html
December 24th, 2007 at 3:22 pmNow we can see that our form of democracy and our constitution is not protected by our elected officials.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:38 pmComment by willyloman — December 24, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
I agree that impeachment should be "on the table". However, I keep asking myself "why have the Dems failed to deliver"? I am increasingly led to believe it's good, old fashioned, blackmail. All of that "domestic surveillance" has to have uncovered something. Perhaps the embarrassing secrets of prominent Dems?
December 24th, 2007 at 3:44 pmHow obvious are we getting folks? Even a 4 year old can put this together.
#2. Add this to the ever increasing pile of Bushco law breaking … CROOK fatigue. Until we get a Congress with balls nothing will happen. Nothing.
Comment by kdoug —
December 24th, 2007 at 3:49 pmExactly what I was going to post.
DID Bush purchase 100,000 acres of land in Paraguay? If so, he will remain free with the BILLIONS robbed during the 8 years of his rule of terror, regardless of what Congress we get.
Pete it's not good old fashioned blackmail. The Dem leaders are beholden to the same powers the Republicans are. The "2 party system" is a smokescreen.
December 24th, 2007 at 4:16 pmNotice how much McLaughlin blinks in the CNN video. People blink a lot when they're lying.
December 24th, 2007 at 4:24 pmComment by ForTruth — December 24, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
I can definitely see your point. Kurt Vonnegut may have said it best. The interview was some years ago, so, I paraphrase:
"There are two factions in America. The powerful and the powerless. The powerful run everything and go by the names Democrat and Republican. There is little, or no, difference between them."
However, they are rival groups to some extent. Some of the actions, or lack thereof, are very difficult to understand. One would think that Dems would be moving in for the kill, yet, they don't. Coupled with the call for "retroactive immunity" this leads me to ask, "are they protecting the program, or, concealing the information"? One possible reason is that the data was being used for illegal activities over, and above, the apparent illegality of the methods.
Blackmail, of political rivals, is just one possible line one can "draw between the dots". It's pure speculation and not meant as a comprehensive assessment. However, if we are to restore any accountability to our government, it's a line of questioning that should be pursued. Anything which may expose the "man behind the curtain" should be pursued.
December 24th, 2007 at 4:40 pmThe first white washing must be falling apart because this is nothing but a diversionary re-white washing. Philip Zelikow was hired to manage the first white washing. Investigate Zelikow
December 24th, 2007 at 5:49 pmLIES LIES LIES LIES. OUR SOLDIERS CONTINUE DID DIE DIE DIE ------- COME ON PEOPLE!!! We are not stupid and my patience with this game has grown PAST weary and pissed off. We ALL know they were behind 9/11. We are NOT going to go away.. We have more than enough proof. I vote we react the same way we did back in the 1800's We march on Washington, crash the gates, take Bush, Cheney, Rice -- the whole administration out to the streets and tar and feather them and then try their disgusting foulness in a court of the people.
December 24th, 2007 at 6:07 pmHere we go again. Whats it going to take for the Democrates to finally stand up and be counted? Armed with the Constituition there is no way they can fail. I can only imagine what this administration has on the Dem's.
So are we to sit back and watch the republic's recreate an America that they want? Where the people have no say? And they let Corp. America write policy ?
Since Geroge Bush is unfamiliar with any sort of American history and is illed informed on every subject , we need to remind him what America was founded on.
In fact, we need to bombard his office with these articles and maybe, just maybe he will get the message.
Article the first [Not Ratified]
After the first enumeration required by the first article of the Constitution, there shall be one Representative for every thirty e thousand, until the number shall amount to one hundred, after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall be not less than one hundred Representatives, nor less than one Representative for every forty thousand persons, until the number of Representatives shall amount to two hundred; after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall not be less than two hundred Representatives, nor more than one Representative for every fifty thousand persons.
Article the second [Amendment XXVII - Ratified 1992]
No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.
Article the third [Amendment I]
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Article the fourth [Amendment II][4]
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Article the fifth [Amendment III]
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Article the sixth [Amendment IV]
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Article the seventh [Amendment V]
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Article the eighth [Amendment VI]
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Article the ninth [Amendment VII]
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Article the tenth [Amendment VIII]
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Article the eleventh [Amendment IX]
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Article the twelfth [Amendment X]
December 24th, 2007 at 6:59 pmThe powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
This administration's legal hijacking of the constitution and civil rights aside, I can't imagine this group of mostly unqualified and inexperienced people at every level could have orchestrated 9/11 without a major screw up. If the conspiracy theorists won't buy that, then tell me, if they did orchestrate it, then how could these idiots have kept it a secret? They barely have one brain between all of them combined. Totally incompetent!
December 24th, 2007 at 7:19 pmamericaneagle, try to remember the person in charge of our Pentagon on 911. It was not Rumsfeld, who seemed to disappear when things got hot (literally), but the FORMER Secretary of Defense, Cheney, who knew the intricacies of the Pentagon.
December 24th, 2007 at 7:50 pmHow could they have kept it a secret, you ask? They didn't, they just destroyed or confiscated any evidence, that's all.
Wake up, eagle, and fly over these bastards and let loose with a barrage of birdpoop. If you believe those three buildings, and the Pentagon were destroyed by any airplanes, you need to have your eyes and head examined.
DUH.
something I just don’t understand, it doesn’t make sense:
December 24th, 2007 at 7:53 pmhow come some guys with sling, bows and arrows are destroying and pocking fun at the ALMIGHTY HAMERICAN ARMY?
and here we have it, after so many wars lost in shame - Korea, Vietnam, Somalia even, Colombia, Cuba, etc. a double-up: Iraq and Afghanistan in one go now. In my life time the best comedy I had the chance to witness/
Adding the fact that United States of Hamerica is showing the world its stupidity on a daily basis what else can be more fun than the HAMERICAN ARROGANCE ? Lol
Be totally assured that since the evidence has been destroyed that no one will ever be charged with any crime. Bush has gotten away with everything and will continue to do so.
We are not and have not been in charge of the US. The 'people' are not running the show. A group of thugs is controlling this country. They are called neocons. They led us to occupy a sovereign country and have totally forgotten about Osama bin Laden. We are NOT at war with anyone. There is no 'enemy'. They are a rag tag group of religious fanatics that strike here and there but with no particular goal other than to strike fear in others. There is no army outside our borders. ALL of the acts of terror in this country since 9/11 have been by people who were living here. ALL of them.
Whatever the media reports about a 'war' is a total lie.
December 24th, 2007 at 8:18 pmThose interested in holding BushCo accountable should check this link out:
http://consortiumnews.com/2007/121907.html
I know Congress will not launch an impeachment because they don't have the votes to win in the Senate. Still, when Barack becomes President, the big question for him is whether he intends to instruct his Justice Department to investigate all the actions of the Bush administration for which there is some evidence of illegality?
I know it may mean doubling the size of the department to get the job done within his first term but I'd happily pay more taxes for that!
In fact, not only do we need a war tax on war supporters (excluding military families) to cover the costs of this war, but I recommend a justice tax to re-invigorate the Justice department and enable it to fully investigate BushCo, a peace tax to re-invigorate diplomacy by strengthening our State department and an environmental tax on carbon producing energy so that we can use the market to help us fight global warming and raise the money we need to invest in the new technology we need to win that war. It is called global warming after all.
Sorry for that digression but I just had to add that.
Now back to our righteous indignation over the abuse of power that is BushCo.
December 24th, 2007 at 8:58 pmThe 9/11 Commissioners are acting like they didn't betray the public with their CYA effort. The Family Steering Committee gave them all sortts of key questions to ask and they didn't do it.
Declassify all the evidence and let the chips fall where they may. It is obvious that nobody in US government is willing to be honest about 9/11.
December 24th, 2007 at 9:24 pm#52
Declassify all the evidence and let the chips fall where they may"
Absolutely.
The claim that a request for "all documents" required a specific request for "taped or electronic evidence" brazen, but ludicrious attempt to disassemble.
All litigators know, as must White House lawyers, that by definition, the term "documents" includes all documentary evidence, however stored. In most, if not all, discovery requests, the term "documents" includes all documents however store, whether on video tape, dvd or by other electronic device."
If the term "documents" would quack, it is a duck that must be produced.
If it screams . . . it absolutely speaks.
December 24th, 2007 at 9:52 pmPelosi must fear some really bad news when the chips fall. Pelosi's bad news is not that of the Democratic Party. Dammit, let the chips fall, if she crashes and burns in the process along with a lot of other Democrat power players, so be it.
LET THE CHIPS FALL.
This disgusting excuse for a government should fall. Time to clean house.
Big suprise they hate the internet and bloggers. Suddenly, everyone is accountable.
December 24th, 2007 at 9:57 pmWHAT THE HELL IS PELOSI SO AFRAID OF?
CHENEY SHOULD FALL . . . BUSH SHOULD FALL . . . DESPITE ALL COMPELLING EVIDENCE . . .
PELOSI SAYS . . . STATUS QUO . . .IMPEACH HER TOO.
December 24th, 2007 at 10:00 pmI think the CIA has good people left on it and they have from time to time leaked stuff its important to know.
I also think the Administration is trying to kill the CIA and replace it with its own varity of spy and spook system, one that will be more suportive of the admins move toward complete control and not give reports that cause them heartburn.
The one thing Rove was good at (and im sure taught others) was using organizations and people against themselves or using issues that could press other buttons. When they used a B.J. to get to Clinton they chose something that lots of feminists would object to and that would force internal contradictions that a powerful male was using sex from an underling female. If one went and read the transcripts she gave to Star, Monica worked hard to get Bill to let her give him a B.J., it was not Bill forcing Monica to do the deed. Many females i knew were pulled both ways almost apart from the charges. The good guy was doing the dirty deads towards women.
The torture tapes are important for other reasons then the media spouts and liberal scream about. The things the media talks about are issues they want you to concentrate on. I find it almost funny that liberals keep saying that they would give false information under torture.
OF COURSE THEY GIVE FALSE INFORMATION UNDER TORTUE AND THAT IS JUST WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS.
The tapes are bad for the administration because they would show that information the administration used was information they want to use confessions UNDER torture to confirm the made up stories.
They might show that some of maybe much of the information the Admin used to terrorise the country and the demos was just what torture gave - confirmation of the torture'er by the torture'ee to stop the torture.
THAT MEANS THEY USED TORTURE TO MAKE CONFIRMATIONS OF FALSE STORIES SO THE DEMOS AND ADMIN COULD BE ASSURED OD GETTING THE STORIES THEY WANTED.
That is the big issue - the Administration has been useing torture to confirm its own version of history and plots IT wants to hear to JUSTIFY its actions. They want support for their falshoods and torture gets it for them and then they use those reports to support their terrorising the U.S. Public.
December 24th, 2007 at 11:31 pmDestroying evidence? Imagine that! Two months before the Bushites leave D.C. for good, they will probably come close to burning the
December 25th, 2007 at 9:43 amDistrict down destroying all evidence in bonfires.
I think a lot of you folks have it right when you said the tapes revealed the names of Bush family friends who were involved in 9/11. But there is something that could be added.
December 25th, 2007 at 9:51 amNaming Bush family friends who were involved would have made it more personal to Americans. THere would be names, places and dates to focus our rage on and they would all have been connected with Saudi Arabia. The effect would have been twofold. First, Americans would have demanded that we stop buying oil from people who were using our money to blow us up, and that means Big Oil would lose money (can't have that now, can we).
Second, tying Saudi Arabia to Bush, or rather, Bush to Saudi Arabia, in my opinion, would have made it next to impossible for him to invade Iraq. It would not have been so easy to vent Americas rage on the false flag operation of Iraq when the culprits and their scandolous ties to the Bushies had already been uncovered.
Veritas said, "However, with regard to what this does to the Bush administration and all of it’s flunkies is to further besmerch anyone/everyone associated with it for the rest of their lives."
I can't help thinking of Watergate and how we thought we had all that behind us, but then we got Dick Cheney as VP!! My God! A Nixon man in the White House again. And what about Rummy and Rove? Weren't they Nixon men too?
So, don't ever say, 'for the rest of their lives.' Ain't no such thing. We US'ners (Do we really mean 'Americans' when Mexican and Argentinians are 'Americans' too?) have very short memories and surely there will be Bush operatives in the White House again. Just give it a few years!! They know it too!!
December 25th, 2007 at 11:07 am"I think the CIA has good people left on it and they have from time to time leaked stuff its important to know. "
I think that you've had a coctail to many
Dub'ya et al . . . .this economy is going to hell in a hand basket . . .you have glad handed the religious right to such an extent that they have landed . . . right at your doorstep . . . unwelcome cousins . . . .you and your self righteous bretheren have finally cultivated the wrongs that you devoutly pretended to set right . . . you coke snortin idiot. . . you're self righteous righterous bros have come a callin . . . . you underestimated . . .yee-haw . . .here they are at your door step.
You who paid for an abortion (yeah, we've got docs, we who even have docs on the Laura hate fueled murder of her boyfiend).
Time to start enforcing those subpoeans . . . we, plebes that we may be, even have AIPEC docs on Pelosi.
December 25th, 2007 at 8:31 pmINVESTIGATE PELOSI
In order to bring this administration down, it's a three step process, but even before the process begning, Dems and Independents must decide upon the next leader. Who is it? You must have a plan.
Pelosi?
She's lost all credibility. We want empeachment. She says no way. Her ties to AIPAC are unending. I'm not a contributor to AIPAC are you? Not a bad organization, but one that has hijacked the UA gov for Isreal. If you're not a big fan of Isreal, fund cancer research, not nuclear weapons.
Merry Christmas . . . .how can I say . . . . happiness to all . . . hug a tree . . .hug you child, cat or dog . . . sing a tune in the shower . . . . truly, merry chirismas.
December 25th, 2007 at 8:49 pmMerry Christmas.
Unfortunately, we do not live in the most wonderful country in the world . . .
So far as health care goes . . . I think that we are in the bottom 15th.
So far as unborn children go, I think that we are are about thirtieth;
So far as cancer survivors, I think that we are about twenty fifth.
Wow, as far as a population that is disillusioned with their leader, I bleieve that we are number one.
Go dub'ya.
As an American, I must say, So sorry to the rest of the world. George is a disgrace.
For anyone to claim that America is the land of the free and the home of the brave is just insanity.
December 25th, 2007 at 9:01 pmYeah, like we haven't been saying that since 2003.Abu Ghraib. Katrina. Illegal wiretapping. All "smoking guns." And Bush is unimpeachable.
December 25th, 2007 at 9:49 pm911 was an Inside Job. Period. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.
December 26th, 2007 at 9:45 amPathetic! But really, this is minor league stuff, compared to this:
http://planetquo.com/The-George-H-W-Bush-JFK-Murder-Connection
December 27th, 2007 at 1:45 pmHEY TP… ARE YOU GOING TO POST THIS RETRACTION?
http://themedium.blogs.nytimes.com/ 2007/ 12/ 26/ editors-note-the-ron-paul-vid-lash/
Editors’ Note: The Ron Paul Vid-Lash
By The New York Times
A post in The Medium that appeared on Monday about the Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul and his purported adoption by white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups contained several errors. Stormfront, which describes itself as a “white nationalist†Internet community, did not give money to Ron Paul’s presidential campaign; according to Jesse Benton, a spokesman for Paul’s campaign, it was Don Black, the founder of Stormfront, who donated $500 to Paul. The original post also repeated a string of assertions by Bill White, the commander of the American National Socialist Workers Party, including the allegation that Paul meets regularly “with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review and others†at a restaurant in Arlington, Va. Paul never attended these dinners, according to Benton, who also says that Paul has never knowingly met Bill White. Norman Singleton, a congressional aide in Paul’s office, says that he met Bill White at a dinner gathering of conservatives several years ago, after which Singleton expressed his indignation at the views espoused by White to the organizer of the dinner. The original post should not have been published with these unverified assertions and without any response from Paul.
December 28th, 2007 at 12:20 am