LOL, are you kidding? The most recent? Screw that!!! Let’s get the 3rd most recent!!! Cause it has got to be more accurate than the most recent!!!! Der.

Or it might prevent thousands from legally voting!!! A$shole

Thanks. You can never get too carried away with these things.

BAM!

Comment by Manslagt

Well, let’s see, you posted a statements from a hearing about the POTENTIAL threat of ICBMs (that means Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles, in case you were wondering) from Iran, Iraq, and North Korea.
It was a hearing to justify the building of a NMD system, based on the ASSUMPTION that those three nations would develop missiles that could hit the United States.

As far as I can determine, bin Laden does not have an active ICBM program, and didn’t have one in 2000. So chances are that is the reason why he was not included in a statement that tried to justify a NMD system.

If I was SecDef, and had to addres the SASC on the justification of deploying F-22s, I’m not going to talk about the threat of al Qaeda. I’m going to talk about the threats that the F-22 would be used against. Terrorism would not be one of those threats, so chances are I’m going to leave that threat out of my speech.

If I did include terrorism in my statement, it would sound like I was trying to find any excuse to justify the deployment of a 100 million dollar a copy fighter plane.

Comment by Manslagt — December 27, 2007 @ 1:14 pm

Are you referring to statements Clinton made while in office, or after?

Comment by Manslagt — December 27, 2007 @ 1:07 pm

Embassies overseas are not “in” the U.S., dumbass. I am talking about within the borders of the United States of America, the same borders that supporters of this administration and this war reference when they love to brag about no attacks in the U.S. since 9/11 and give all the credit to Bush.

Comment by Manslagt — December 27, 2007 @ 1:12 pm

Bin Laden also said that he’d bankrupt the U.S. and Bush is driving us right towards it. How are we going to pay for it? With more tax cuts? You and Bush are full of shit. Where is Bush getting the money to pay for this “war”? It sure as hell isn’t from the American people. Oh wait…he doesn’t give a damn about how or if it will be paid for, because he will be out of office in a little over a year and it will be someone else’s mess to clean up. Bush will have been in the grave for many years before…IF…it is ever paid for.

Comment by Manslagt — December 27, 2007 @ 1:13 pm

Hey, you pasted Cohen’s words, not me. Show me where he specifically used the words “greatest threat.”

Thus, if we’d dropped those silly little sanctions, we’d have dodged the 9/11 attack?

Silly us.

Comment by Manslagt — December 26, 2007 @ 11:28 am

I think a historical comparison is called for.

Educate us on which Regan and Bush I policies led to the WTC attack in 1993, since the planning for the attack was conducted during their administrations, and the attackers entered the country during the same time.

Also, I’d like to know which Republicans were placing the blame on Bush I, since he was Clinton’s predecessor.

The intelligence, as you have earlier pointed out, was an “estimate.”

As we now know, the intelligence was wrong.

As well, a former CIA agent out of Europe, Tyler Drumheller, warned the CIA deputy John McLaughlin AND Tenet that the info gleaned from Curveball regarding the mobile weapons labs was likely fabricated. He tried to get the info stricken from Powell’s speech to the U.N., yet it remained even after Tenet told Drumheller to “not worry about that.” Drumheller goes on to say:

The policy was set. The war in Iraq was coming and they [the White House] were looking for intelligence to fit into the policy.

So don’t sit there and tell us that nobody in the intelligence agencies said “wait a minute.” Members of the German intelligence agency BND and the CIA both were questioning the intelligence.

Please…read more here.

Comment by good_golly — December 26, 2007 @ 11:47 am

And your point is…?

We also had no attacks in the U.S. from al Qaeda in the 7 years after the first WTC bombing. And this was during a time when the U.S. didn’t engage in a multi-year “war” on terror in another region in the world.

Still no “greatest threat” declaration by Cohen. It seems you are putting words into Cohen’s mouth.

It’s also strange that in regards to Iraq, within one year of Cohen’s remarks, Powell and Rice stated just the opposite. Specifically, that Iraq was not a threat to it’s neighbors nor to the U.S., their military was weak, they did not have the capacity to restart any WMD programs, and the sanctions against them were working. Summing it all up, Iraq had been, as Powell put it, “contained.”

You can read more here.

Be advised that there will be a coterie of neocons who will attempt to revise history and claim to make the outcome positive, if only to whitewash their pathetic ignorance and incompetence, and to minimize the potential for public backlash.

Never said any such thing. But GW1 was predicated upon a “massive buildup” of Iraqi forces on the Saudi border, which we were led to believe implied a second invasion. Satellite photography commissioned by a major mainstream paper proved otherwise, and proved Daddy Bush was just as happy to lie to get us into a war as his son would (the Kuwaiti ambassador’s daughter’s fabricated tear-jerking tale of babies removed from incubators to die on the floor was another).

The Iraq-Kuwait confict was a local conflict with local roots. The Kuwaitis were split off Iraq by a colonial decision, they were stealing Iraq’s oil via slant-drilling, and when Iraq requested US permission to settle the matter with force, the US Ambassador (rightly or wrongly) acquiesced.

Had Kuwait been the end of it, the world would have angrily stamped its feet, but there would have been no call for force to eject Iraq.

However, the specter of numerous imaginary Iraqi divisions massing to conquer Saudi Arabia too, well that was enough to trigger a coalition for war. And so Bush claimed divisions were there when a little investigative journalism proved they weren’t.

“Cohen’s testimony exposes the lie Clinton Inc. now tells about al Qaeda being the greatest threat.”
-Comment by Manslagt

Where does it say in this statement that Iran, Iraq, and North Korea were at that time the greatest threats to US security?

I see it mention the POTENTIAL threat that these three nations could turn into (by 2015), but I don’t see where they are, at the time of the hearing, that they were the most dangerous opponents we faced.

My question was: How were those three nations immediate threats to the United States during the 1990s?

But you are right. Apparently, Cohen neglected to mention the threat that bin Laden’s ICBM program posed to the United States and our allies.

Read an article in our local paper yesterday about TN Rep. David Davis touting a poll showing him with an approval rating of 70% based polling of voters in his district.

Now, the catch: the polling was done by a Republican polling firm, Public Opinion Strategies (POS for short…very fitting IMO) calling on Republican voters asking their opinion on the job performance of a Republican representative. Never mind that there are Democrats mixed in with his constituents. Can you say “biased”?

Anyway…does anyone know of any polls taken regarding individual House members that polls ALL voters in a district?

That means no more “Clinton did it” or “it’s all Clinton’s fault”!

You said so yourself, dear boy.