Ron Paul: 95 percent of black men are ‘criminal.’
Kos highlights a 1992 article from Ron Paul’s self-published newsletter, The Ron Paul Political Report:
Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action…. Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the “criminal justice system,” I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.
If similar in-depth studies were conducted in other major cities, who doubts that similar results would be produced? We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings, and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.
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Hope there’s enough room in the coop for all these chickens to come home to roost.
December 26th, 2007 at 4:48 pmAND Ron Paul is a Vag Snooper.
December 26th, 2007 at 4:49 pmI saw ANOTHER piece of crap car barrelling down the highway today with homemade Ron Paul signs on/in it.
These guys are freaks.
“Vag Snooper”?
December 26th, 2007 at 4:52 pmGuido, translate, please?
It doesn’t mean a damn thing if DailyKos is the only outlet covering it. I can’t believe how many people are in acute denial about this loon, purely on the basis of his anti-war stance. Hell, he’s only against the Iraq occupation because it costs taxpayers money. There’s no moral element to his objection at all.
December 26th, 2007 at 4:54 pmAND Ron Paul is a Vag Snooper.
I saw ANOTHER piece of crap car barrelling down the highway today with homemade Ron Paul signs on/in it.
These guys are freaks.
Comment by Guido OBGYN Lover
I know, it’s pretty amazing. I see the same thing here where I live in Oregon. I find it very scary. I also find it very sad because if these people ever sat down and really investigated who Ron Paul is and what he stands for, they would be appalled. They really do think that Ron Paul is interested in helping them out. If they want a candidate who will genuinely give them a helping hand, they need to vote for Kucinich or Edwards. But neither Kucinich nor Edwards will push their “scary buttons” so they won’t listen to them.
December 26th, 2007 at 4:54 pmI’d still take Ron Paul over any other Republican hopeful + Hillary and Obama.
I’d guess after 7 years of delusional crazy and policies I am almost completely against, I’d almost welcome HONEST crazy and policies I am almost completely against.
December 26th, 2007 at 4:56 pmI think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.
Oh, the old Samuel Huntington racist doctrine.
Meanwhile Caucasian guys commit genocides on something they have called “just wars”.
December 26th, 2007 at 4:56 pmThere is one thing we can agree on. Ron Paul is a loon.
Comment by good_golly — December 26, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
If we agree with you goofy we better delve into the subject deeper.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:00 pmHe’s in a close battle with Kucinich for the “Biggest Loon in the Race†award.
Comment by good_golly — December 26, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
Well delving is finished. On what basis would you even equate these two?
December 26th, 2007 at 5:01 pmHe’s in a close battle with Kucinich for the “Biggest Loon in the Race†award.
Comment by good_golly
Oh, yeah…nevermind the guy that talks with God and the other whose 5 gay children are fighting a war inside his dad’s campaign.
Oh…you already had one that talked to God, right? OH, he is no loon at all…
December 26th, 2007 at 5:02 pmYIKES.
I keep tellin’ folks that David Duke and the Republican party have the same agenda, except Duke states it in public, whereas the Republicans only do so behind closed doors. Other than when it slips out, as with Trent Lott, Newt Gingrich, Tom Delay, and now Ron Paul.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:02 pmnice to see that even the Dem blogs are fearing the revolution…..
gimme just a second.. some of our friends will be here soon to help u see the light……
December 26th, 2007 at 5:02 pmFINALLY Ron Paul says something that’s accurate!!
December 26th, 2007 at 5:04 pmFlag the troll.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:05 pmPaul is really bad news. However he has no chance of being the rethugs candidate, so as racist as he is (among other bad things) it only will matter on a local level or the damage he might be able to affect in Congress.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:08 pmI have a lot of progressive friends that claim to support Ron Paul, but none have any idea about his many extreme views…
December 26th, 2007 at 5:08 pmnice to see that even the Dem blogs are fearing the revolution…..
gimme just a second.. some of our friends will be here soon to help u see the light……
Comment by vietnow — December 26, 2007 @ 5:02 pm
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Oh God…. no….
Please tell me we haven’t summoned the 1st Ron Paul Re”backwards-love”ution internet brigade…
I’m out…
December 26th, 2007 at 5:13 pmYikes. Got racist?
December 26th, 2007 at 5:13 pmYawn
December 26th, 2007 at 5:13 pmzzzzzz
The Daily Kos is so like yesterday’s news.
But I see nothing has changed over there.
The little punk Kos steals the story from someone else and makes it his own.
#16 Comment by Juan C. — December 26, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Flag the troll.
Done! Seconding racism is simply not accepable. John Kerry should be banned from this site for being a blatent troll with no other purpose than attempting to antagonize the posters here and disrupting the threads.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:14 pmUh, hello macechonster, it’s called a link. See, you put a url into the page and people can go read the article. It’s not stealing, or cheating, it’s a way of spreading information. It’s part of this wacky thing called the internets.
Sheesh.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:16 pmMaybe we could convince Ron Paul to run as an independent. That would give the throwbacks someone to vote for instead of the satanic cult member Mitt.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:17 pmAs more and more of these fifteen year old quotes are dredged up, it’ll be interesting to see if Pawn Raul is called on to refute them…
December 26th, 2007 at 5:18 pmSheesh.
Comment by RUCerious — December 26, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
Some months back, one of the ultra-Right blogs linked to TP because of an article they’d done on a media study. We ended up with a zillion comments from that blog, mostly stroking each others’ nuts and blathering the same anti-liberal nonsense.
I’ve got a bad feeling we’re about to get fishsticked. Mrs Paul is on the way en masse.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:19 pm#18 Comment by DenverOasis — December 26, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
I have a lot of progressive friends that claim to support Ron Paul, but none have any idea about his many extreme views…
How Progressive are they? Progressives are interested in what is going on and seek out information. These folks sort of sound like “one issue” voters who base their choice on their emotional needs. This is not very Progressive at all.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:20 pmI only found TP after a post on Drudge.
Comment by good_golly — December 26, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
One more strike against the idiot Drudge.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:20 pmIf we can’t vote for someone who someone thinks is loony. Who can we vote for?
December 26th, 2007 at 5:23 pmDrudge does this country a great service.
Comment by good_golly — December 26, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
By wearing a hat stupider than Imus’s
December 26th, 2007 at 5:23 pmHow Progressive are they? Progressives are interested in what is going on and seek out information. These folks sort of sound like “one issue†voters who base their choice on their emotional needs. This is not very Progressive at all.
Comment by Merlin — December 26, 2007 @ 5:20 pm
Eh. Kneejerk reactions are common enough among different groups. People self-identify as progressive and support progressive causes as best they can without necessarily spending a lot of time on it. Your comment smacks a little bit of what I experienced with the New Left, all too willing to drive people out for insufficient purity of thought.
Modern Ron Paul is about as slippery as they come and without digging back through his record over time, it’s easy enough to be fooled into thinking he’s a “maverick”. For some people, his absolute anti-Occupation stance is all they’re going to need to hear, especially with leading Democrats fudging their responses.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:24 pmDrudge does this country a great service.
Yeah, something like 2/3 of his “scoops” prove to be inaccurate. He proves that the right wing world-view is built on overt lies.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:25 pmDrudge does this country a great service.
Comment by good_golly — December 26, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
By wearing a hat stupider than Imus’s
Comment by dbadass — December 26, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
I’m not sure anyone owns a hat stupider than Don Imus’. At least Imus has, on occasion, shown a little remorse for making really stupid comments; Drudge has never acknowledged that great swaths of his “reports” are bullsh!t. He’s a third-rate gossip columnist not fit to lick Walter Winchell’s long-dead scrotum.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:26 pm1. I honestly think that this country has been put on a course for disaster.
2. I think Ron Paul despite his flaws has the ability to save us from the upcoming financial disasters and put us on a more stable path.
3. I don’t want to live the Libertarian Randian “Utopia” that his followers describe.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:27 pmDrudge does this country a great service.
Comment by good_golly — December 26, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Before or aftrer the egg sex?
December 26th, 2007 at 5:28 pmoil at 95.94 NMX.Turkey is attacking Kurdistan-Iraq. Thus the oil price is rising. Because theres oil also. Lets just get some additional oil from there?
December 26th, 2007 at 5:28 pmAs much as Wiki gets bad press, it is a good source of info on most everything. If you disagree with the info there then work to change it.
It stands to reason that especially politicians, would want to have the correct info about themselves out in public view. if Wiki is wrong I expect they would put staff on it to change it.
Reading Ron Paul’s Wiki is scary. There is no excuse for people to not know what is going on. Even the library has computers for those without one.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:29 pm… but drudge’s rumors get repeated often enough to become fact.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:30 pmI’d guess after 7 years of delusional crazy and policies I am almost completely against, I’d almost welcome HONEST crazy and policies I am almost completely against.
Comment by deebaser
How about a sane person whose policies you are completely for. Try going to Kucinich’s page and read about what he stands for.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:31 pmDrudge does this country a great service.
Comment by good_golly — December 26, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Most people are ashamed when their stupidity shows. Not you thought gone_goofy you wear it like a badge of honor.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:31 pmI think Ron Paul despite his flaws has the ability to save us from the upcoming financial disasters and put us on a more stable path.
3. I don’t want to live the Libertarian Randian “Utopia†that his followers describe.
Comment by deebaser — December 26, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
freebaser, you’ve got another think coming, if you swallow this has the ability crap.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:34 pmIf you don’t want to live in his ultra anti-government world, please don’t make the mistake of voting for this racist reactionary.
Most people are ashamed when their stupidity shows. Not you thought gone_goofy you wear it like a badge of honor.
Comment by Shayne — December 26, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
The redneck badge of cowardice…
December 26th, 2007 at 5:35 pmMaybe we could convince Kucinich to run as an independent as well.
Comment by good_golly
You and yours would love that, wouldn’t you. Because you know that Kucinich might pull off liberal votes.
But, it’s much more likely you Republiscums are going to have a third party candidate to worry about. How about Bloomberg/Hagel. That will be your worst nightmare.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:36 pmHe’s in a close battle with Kucinich for the “Biggest Loon in the Race†award.
Comment by good_golly
So, goon_golly, exactly what does Kucinich say that makes him a “loon”? Is he a loon because he is for Universal Health care, along with a majority of the people in this country? Is he a loon because he has been against the Iraq war from the beginning and has never voted in favor of the war. His views on Iraq are, again, in tune with the rest of the country. How about him being a loon because he supports labor and workers?
Please, tell us just exactly why Kucinich is a loon. I’m looking forward to your answer.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:42 pmComment by deebaser
How about a sane person whose policies you are completely for. Try going to Kucinich’s page and read about what he stands for.
Comment by bilbobaggins — December 26, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
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God I would love Kucinich. In a pre-Selection 2000 world I would have voted for him (Yeah, Im one of the idiots that voted for Nader because Bush/Gore were pretty much the same thing, amirite?).
Unless he gets some momentum in the early primaries though, I’ll have to vote for Edwards who might not be as progressive as Dennis, but he beats the hell out of Clinton and Obama.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:42 pm#34 Comment by gummitch — December 26, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
Your comment smacks a little bit of what I experienced with the New Left, all too willing to drive people out for insufficient purity of thought.
Try rereading my post again. I say nothing about exclusion. My complaint is rather that these folks make little effort to understand yet claim to be something they are not. Purity of thought has nothing at all to do with my post. Read #40. My irritation is with folks that could, but don’t, seek understanding yet claim to be part of one group or another. If you call your self something, at least know what that “group” stands for or believes. If you don’t, you make a fool of yourself and misrepresent those you claim to be a part of.
“Progressive” is a big tent with often different shades of belief. However, I personally don’t believe it includes the purposefully ignorant.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:43 pmfreebaser, you’ve got another think coming, if you swallow this has the ability crap.
If you don’t want to live in his ultra anti-government world, please don’t make the mistake of voting for this racist reactionary.
Comment by RUCerious — December 26, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
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Dude, can you make any comments without taking an lazy shot at someone’s name? Oh I get it… Freebaser… it rhymes…. lolololol.
Seriously.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:44 pmBut why the focus only on Ron Paul’s racist remarks against Black mem? He has also made anti-Semetic remarks; but it appears that TP doesn’t care about that as much, if at all.
Comment by good_golly
And if this article was about anti semetic remarks Paul has made you would ask TP why they don’t care about his racist remarks. You are practicing your straw-man arguments I see. You really do need more practice before you will be able to pull it off, though.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:44 pmBloomberg running would not be a good thing from Republicans. That much is true.
Comment by good_golly — December 26, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
Why do you feel this way? Couldn’t he be the latest “White Knight” Seems Thompson’s horse sort of rode in a little less then the hype and the rest are a tired lot at best
December 26th, 2007 at 5:45 pmBut why the focus only on Ron Paul’s racist remarks against Black mem? He has also made anti-Semetic remarks; but it appears that TP doesn’t care about that as much, if at all.
Comment by good_golly — December 26, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
This is ONE POST, idiot. If you have links to anti-semitic remarks why not post them instead of this ridiculous diversion of yours?
December 26th, 2007 at 5:45 pmPlease, tell us just exactly why Kucinich is a loon. I’m looking forward to your answer.
Comment by bilbobaggins — December 26, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
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Drudge does this country a great service.
Comment by good_golly
Only during a power failure.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:46 pmIncoming “Didn’t he say he saw a UFO?†in 5
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Comment by deebaser
Along with 45% of Americans. That’s the number of Americans who say they have seen a UFO. I, personally, have seen one.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:47 pmAlong with 45% of Americans. That’s the number of Americans who say they have seen a UFO. I, personally, have seen one.
Comment by bilbobaggins — December 26, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
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Same here. I didn’t see the mothership, but I definitely saw something once that was flying around and i didn’t know what the heck it was or to put it simply: I saw a UFO once.
I like the fact that he didn’t lie about it.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:49 pmMerlin, here is your original comment:
You’ve defined what a progressive is (by your lights) and then defined these other people out of what you later call a “big tent”. And you’ve dismissed them as being immature. You’re on the slippery slope to a purge.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:49 pmIncoming “Didn’t he say he saw a UFO?†in 5
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Comment by deebaser
And a few Air Force Colonels, too. Why do you hate the military?
December 26th, 2007 at 5:50 pmIncoming “Didn’t he say he saw a UFO?†in 5
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Comment by deebaser — December 26, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
Bush says he sees into people souls.
Comment by justasking — December 26, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
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I just literally LOLed
December 26th, 2007 at 5:52 pm#55 Sorry, just a liberty I take with pretty much everybody, no harm intended.
December 26th, 2007 at 5:53 pmPS, I saw one too, in the summer of 1966.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:00 pm#69, and your point is???
December 26th, 2007 at 6:03 pmPS, I saw one too, in the summer of 1966.
Comment by RUCerious
I filmed one with a friend when I was 14 y/o. Fascinating.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:03 pmgolly garsh, yeah, me and the other 45% of Americans who’ve witnessed a UFO…
December 26th, 2007 at 6:04 pmI assume you’ve sobered up since then.
Comment by good_golly
Oh, the “I can’t debate” answer. Yeah.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:04 pmDrudge does this country a great service.
Comment by good_golly — December 26, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Why, yes. He sucks AND swallows.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:04 pmGolly Gee Whiz, if you’d look up at the stars sometime, instead of burying your head up Bush or Cheney’s ass all the time, you might get lucky someday too.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:05 pmhttp://abcnews.go.com/ Technology/ Primetime/ story?id=468496
Almost 50 percent of Americans, according to recent polls, and millions of people elsewhere in the world believe that UFOs are real. For many it is a deeply held belief.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:07 pmPS, I saw one too, in the summer of 1966.
Comment by RUCerious — December 26, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
That’s too close to the summer of love and too likely to have been caused by ingested chemicals to count.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:08 pmComment by good_golly — December 26, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
And when you run your own site you can post your threads however you want to. But you’re not in charge around here. If you’re unhappy with the content, feel free to leave, any time.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:11 pmGood Golly thinks that an UFO is the spaceship where the two octopus-like aliens from the Simpsons laugh all day.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:11 pmIt is really disheartening looking at Ron Paul supporters whom you’d think would think twice before supporting him. I was walking in Downtown Campbell the other day and I saw a car with stickers such as Treehugger, End the War bumper stickers, but one that stuck out was Ron Paul. If they would just educate themselves about his positions, it would be clear that he may be right about the war, but they should not sacrifice their own principles to vote for him for that one issue alone.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:13 pmSounds Crazy to me.
Comment by good_golly
Then vote for him. That’s what you’ve been doing.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:13 pmComment by good_golly — December 26, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
But this thread isn’t about Kucinich it’s about Ron Paul.
Of course Kucinich did see something he was unable to identify hence he called it a UFO. You on the right would just identify it as a sign from Jesus that the rapture is near and be done with it.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:13 pmBetcha won’t find this anywhere on the msm; not while the Ron Paul supporters are hanging their signs everywhere.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:13 pmBetcha won’t find that Romney’s grandfather was an illegal immigrant either, but it’s part of his genealogical biography.
I guess Drudge told you that Kucinich was a loon, eh?
December 26th, 2007 at 6:14 pmOh, I’m very happy with the content Shayne. It helps prove my belief that “progressives†at least pretend to care about alleged racist remarks against Black men, but don’t care about anti-Semetic remarks. I’m always happy when you prove me right.
Comment by good_golly — December 26, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
Really goof-folly the complain by regular progressive posters around here is that TP is too pro Israel. If you think this is an anti semitic site you are more delusional than we though.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:15 pmComment by good_golly — December 26, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
Romney believes someone once found blessed golden tablets just laying around but then lacked the fiscal responsibility to hold onto them. What’s the point? There is far more evidence for UFOs then there is for golden tablets, virgin births (barring a recent komodo dragon parthegenesis incident), the success of abstinence only ed programs, or Repub fiscal discipline.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:15 pmMy sighting was in the summer of 66, driving to a former neighbor’s for a night swim in my brother’s 1950 Ford convertible.
We had just parked (on the wrong side of Hazeltine St) and were walking across the street when we saw a large gold colored craft flying from north to south.
It hovered at about 2:00, then took off pretty much straight up and shot out of sight in one to two seconds.
Not any type of aircraft my brothers or I had ever seen.
Not a dream, not a hallucination, we all three saw it. No rational explanation for it’s shape, speed, or behavior.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:16 pmNot everyone who claims to be libertarian is insane.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:16 pmThat is false Marie. Research the facts and you will see that Romney’s grandfather was not an “illegal immigrant.†He was a U.S. Citizen who lived in Mexico for part of his life. There is a big difference.
Comment by good_golly — December 26, 2007 @ 6:15 pm
Really then provide a link proving differently. Put up or shut up.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:18 pm#63 Comment by gummitch — December 26, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
You’ve defined what a progressive is (by your lights) and then defined these other people out of what you later call a “big tentâ€.
Yes, I have defined Progressives as people who do more than grasp a single issue and define themselves as something much larger. I have not defined them out at all. I am questioning that “Progressives” (or any group for that matter) should accept the view expressed in the original post:
I have a lot of progressive friends that claim to support Ron Paul, but none have any idea about his many extreme views…
And you’ve dismissed them as being immature. You’re on the slippery slope to a purge.
Now this is just your judgement on what you read into my post. I make no judgement about their level of maturity. I do judge their purposeful ignorance, however. That has nothing to do with immaturity in my view.
BTW, I had a friend who claimed to be an independent. And fiercly so. Yet all the issues he believed in were neocon positions. He never would admit, over 4 years of discussions, to being closely aligned with them, however. Should I simply accept that he is an Independent and claim that he is one of them, simply because he says he is? That was the point of my original post.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:19 pmNot everyone who claims to be libertarian is insane.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — December 26, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
But research shows conclusively that everybody who still supports the Bush administration is dumber than a box of rock.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:19 pmYou’re giving rock a bad name, Shayne. What did rock ever do to you?
December 26th, 2007 at 6:21 pmComment by Juan C. — December 26, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
“Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos”
December 26th, 2007 at 6:22 pmNot everyone who claims to be libertarian is insane.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — December 26, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
Tell that to those idiot “FreeStaters” we have to put up with
December 26th, 2007 at 6:23 pmWhat effect would Ron Paul’s idea of letting young people opt out of the Social security system have on it’s solvency?
December 26th, 2007 at 6:26 pm#80 Comment by good_golly — December 26, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
Well, the link you provided really tells me all I would ever need to know about it, and you, good_golly. It is a poor attempt to discredit any politician that is not conservative. You are dismissed. Go back to Pink County and learn how to be a good troll.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:30 pmYou’re giving rock a bad name, Shayne. What did rock ever do to you?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — December 26, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
You couldn’t argue the validity of this study so you had to stoop to calling me a rockist. Well, at least you agree with the research.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:31 pmgimme just a second.. some of our friends will be here soon to help u see the light……
Comment by vietnow
Are you a member of that organization?
December 26th, 2007 at 6:32 pmGo back to Pink County and learn how to be a good troll.
Comment by Merlin — December 26, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
“Good troll” is an oxymoron much like “intelligent Republican”.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:33 pmNot everyone who claims to be libertarian is insane.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Care to provide an example?
December 26th, 2007 at 6:33 pmhttp://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm
Ron Paul on the issues - health care
Insurance companies & gov’t make healthcare unaffordable. (Oct 2007)
December 26th, 2007 at 6:35 pmTransfer funds from debt & empire-building to healthcare. (Oct 2007)
Socialized medicine won’t work; nor managed care. (Oct 2007)
Managed care is expensive and hasn’t worked. (Sep 2007)
Oppose mandated health insurance and universal coverage. (Sep 2007)
“Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodosâ€
Comment by dbadass
I sometimes argue with my brother that that must be one of the best lines in the Simpsons history.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:36 pmPersonally, I don’t like Ron Paul. I find a lot of his libertarian views to be the opposite of mine. I also have my reservations about Obama. I do find it interesting, however, that Paul and Obama have received more donations from the US military than any other candidates. I would not vote for Paul at all, and I would have to hold my nose and complain alot while voting for Obama, but I do find this interesting.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:37 pmCare to provide an example?
Comment by Bobwurst
Squeegeeboo…?
…well, nevermind.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:40 pmPersonally, I don’t like Ron Paul. I find a lot of his libertarian views to be the opposite of mine. I also have my reservations about Obama. I do find it interesting, however, that Paul and Obama have received more donations from the US military than any other candidates. I would not vote for Paul at all, and I would have to hold my nose and complain alot while voting for Obama, but I do find this interesting.
Comment by Chris L — December 26, 2007 @ 6:37 pm
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I definitely feel you, but I may actually vote for him if the opposing choice is Hillary or Obama. Then again, I prefer crazy to an empty suit.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:43 pmSo deebaser, you’re ok with Paul gutting the Social Security system?
December 26th, 2007 at 6:45 pmhttp://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm
Ron Paul on the issues - health care
Insurance companies & gov’t make healthcare unaffordable. (Oct 2007)
Transfer funds from debt & empire-building to healthcare. (Oct 2007)
Socialized medicine won’t work; nor managed care. (Oct 2007)
Managed care is expensive and hasn’t worked. (Sep 2007)
Oppose mandated health insurance and universal coverage. (Sep 2007)
Comment by RUCerious — December 26, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
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Well most of the candidates Health Insurance plans are pretty much worthless. The republican’s plans are just miserable. Tax cuts for insurance premium money, really?
Kucinich’s plan would be awesome and Edwards’ is okay, but really doesn’t go as far as I would like.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:47 pmSo deebaser, you’re ok with Paul gutting the Social Security system?
Comment by RUCerious — December 26, 2007 @ 6:45 pm
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Hell no, but Im not terribly bothered by him saying that he would “like to give younger people the option to opt out”. Of course that would ruin SS, but it would never in a million years pass through Congress.
Hell, they couldn’t get the privatization BS through a Republican Congress.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:52 pmJustaskin, nail. on. head.
December 26th, 2007 at 6:54 pmI think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.
December 26th, 2007 at 7:28 pmNow THIS is some good material to create pro democratic ads …. show the real racist side of the repukes.
You never know, Paul may get the nomination… and what a slam dunk that would be.
You never know, Paul may get the nomination… and what a slam dunk that would be.
Comment by had enough — December 26, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
Not only that had enough but the racism is a selling point that will get him more votes toward a nomination. You can’t be too racist to be a Republican.
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Home About Missing Links The Critters Zookeepers December 26, 2007
We’re Making Progress?
Try this link for how things are going: http://today.reuters.co.uk/ news/ articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-12-26T230632Z_01_DAH639792_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAN-RUSSIA-MISSILE.xml
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December 26, 2007
Details…
All cartoons are posted with the artists’ express permission to TPZoo.
Jack Ohman, Portland Oregonian
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December 26, 2007
President Bush and the Magna Carta Owned by the Carlyle Group
While other copies of the Magna Carta exist this was the only copy likely ever to go on the auction block. The others are in the national archives, cathedrals and universities in Great Britain while Australia’s national archives has the only other copy.
More on this story from the Smirking Chimp.
And more on the Carlyle Group.
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December 26, 2007
No Political Prisoners Here
We’ve heard a lot over the last few years about the abuses of power in other countries like Russia or Iran or Myanmar, where inconvenient political figures are convicted and imprisoned on trumped-up charges. Those stories always emphasize the ominous figures in power, not openly directing the sham trials, but looming in the background. And those of us who inhabit liberal blogs have repeatedly heard the scorn from the Right that no American has had his rights disturbed by the Bush Administration — only terrorists and jihadists.
If you have been following the case of Democratic Alabama Governor Don Siegelman, you may disagree with that assessment. If you haven’t been following it, perhaps because the Press has largely ignored the case and all of its implications, here are some links to fill you in, beginning with a Scott Horton column published yesterday in Harper’s.
One is the former governor of Alabama, Don Siegelman. He will only be allowed to visit his family in a Butler building on the grounds of the Federal Prison at Oakdale, Louisiana. They will not be allowed to exchange gifts, in fact you cannot pass even a Christmas card between a prisoner and visitor. Governor Siegelman’s family will have to drive approximately 462 miles to get there; they will have to stay in a small local hotel on Christmas Day or drive half the night to get back to see him. Christmas dinner for the Siegelmans will be either a microwave hamburger or chicken wings out of the prison’s vending machine. All of this while Siegelman has been deprived of the basic right to appeal his case, a right that is guaranteed for every murderer, rapist, and child molesterer.
It has now been 50 days since the Court of Appeals issued an urgent direction to Judge Mark Everett Fuller—for the second time—to furnish an explanation as to why he sent Siegelman immediately to prison, manacling him in front of waiting reporters and newsmen, and not ruling on the bond pending appeal that is conventionally granted in a case like this. Judge Fuller has taken in quite a few rounds of golf since that time; he’s been to any number of holiday parties; he’s been to church a time or two and he’s spent any number of afternoons and evenings lounging in what is by most accounts one of the most elegant and lavishly appointed homes in Montgomery. But Judge Fuller can’t seem to find even a minute to do what the Court of Appeals directed him to do. Judge Fuller has a very curious attitude towards his duties as a judge. But then, anyone who observed the Siegelman trial already knows that.
More on the case from Harper’s. Some of this is hard to swallow; it reads like something straight out of the 19th or early 20th Century in the Deep South. Some of it can be written off to a thoroughly corrupt state political system, but the ties to the Bush White House are something entirely different.
In the final session of the proceedings, prosecutors insisted that Siegelman’s term be increased because of his exemplary record as a prosecutor and the fact that he aggressively enforced the law as the state’s attorney general. Yes, you read that correctly. Like a great many scenes from this case, this falls into the not-to-be-believed category, but catch it here in the AP wire account:
But chief prosecutor Louis Franklin said Siegelman deserves a harsh sentence partly because of his tough stance against crime.
Judge Fuller, a lifelong Republican Party activist who participated in two bitterly fought election campaigns against Siegelman and then rejected motions for his recusal, decried Siegelman’s refusal to admit his guilt, implying that his continuing protestations of innocence damaged the reputation of his court for justice.
Meanwhile, sources in the Cullman County GOP tell me that Alabama Republican Governor Bob Riley, whose election campaign against Siegelman precipitated the criminal investigation and prosecution of Siegelman, was summoned urgently to Washington, DC. He was to have addressed a dinner at the Dodge House Restaurant in Hanceville (famous for its all-you-can-eat prime rib buffet on Fridays). Riley told disappointed organizers of the Cullman function that he will meet with Bush Administration officials to discuss damage control relating to the Siegelman case. “The sentence will come down today, and they’re very concerned about all the questions about the role Karl Rove played in this prosecution,†the source said.
But why the worry? Aren’t all these concerns paranoid delusions?
Hardly. In fact, the White House has given strict instructions to avoid all questioning concerning the Siegelman case – which explains why Karl Rove’s fake answer was supplanted with a “no comment.†Isn’t it strange that Louis Franklin, the man supposedly in charge of the case, makes aggressive statements about Rove’s non-involvement – covering matters as to which he obviously has no personal knowledge – whereas Rove himself and the White House maintain an increasingly nervous silence? Telling facts, I’d say.
And now the primary witness against Siegelman has been released from prison after serving less than half his sentence, under circumstances that would be amusing if the whole case wasn’t so vile.
Prosecutors asked Fuller to reduce Young’s sentence. Acting U.S. Attorney Louis Franklin said Young had been eligible for release this month, but circumstances that weren’t Young’s fault prevented him from completing a prison substance abuse treatment program that was the key to his release.
Franklin said Young was unable to complete the program because prosecutors asked him to travel to Alabama as a possible witness at Siegelman’s sentencing. Then Young missed his return date to the treatment program because a chicken pox outbreak in the prison system curtailed travel.
There is a very good backgrounder on the whole case here.
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December 25, 2007
Christmas Night Open Thread
(Christmas Roadkill..)
Anyone spending Christmas alone, or looking for an escape from the clutches of family? Come on over! Bring your jokes, your best and worst Christmas gift stories, best and worst Christmas dinner stories, games, rants, whatever you’ve got.
Photo by FreaksAnon. Used with permission.
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December 25, 2007
On the Fence About Ron Paul?
From Truthdig:
At the Republican debate, when the candidates were asked to raise their hands if they didn’t believe in evolution, Ron Paul was the only one who didn’t raise his hand, but when asked about having not raised his hand, he responds…
Paul responds to a question about the incident by saying that it was an “inappropriate question,†but that “I think it’s a theory—theory of evolution—and I don’t accept it.â€
December 26th, 2007 at 7:58 pmI enjoy ThinkProgress, but you’re a little late with this report. That information has been presented - and debunked - on wikipedia.org for a while now.
Ahhhh…
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win.”
This rEVOLution is for both parties. The 70% of Americans who have been sleeping the past elections are starting to wake up, and we’re choosing Ron Paul. Neo-Liberals and Neo-Conservatives are the minority, and always have been.
All your Dems and Repugs are going to lose. The right realized it a couple weeks ago… now you’re finally catching on as well. Ron Paul 2008.
~Sean
December 26th, 2007 at 7:58 pmOOPS! SO SORRY — I don’t know what happened to post #118 — I apologize.
December 26th, 2007 at 7:59 pmI think I will go away for a little while in embarrassment.
December 26th, 2007 at 7:59 pm‘Kos” didn’t write this story. He stole it from someone else on his site.
December 26th, 2007 at 8:15 pmYet he signs the story, “Kos” as if he is the one who came up with it.
He won’t even give credit to the person who actually did all the work and wrote the story!
And the one who wrote the story contributed it to the dailykos site in good faith!
LMAO
The little wuss Kos can’t come up with his own story, so he takes someone else’s story and puts his name on it!
Doesn’t even have the decency to mention the writer’s name who actually wrote the story and came up with the idea AND DID ALL THE F’N WORK!
That’s plagiarism in my book!
And, NO! Just because he hides a hyperlink in one of the words doesn’t change the fact that he ripped off somebone else’s work!
The uninformed should wise up and recognize that it’s no longer so hip and glib to criticize UFOs and those of us who believe in them. If you’ve been watching the History Channel recently ( a government influenced outfit), you’d see that the establishment is presenting UFO informantion as factual. People who believe in them are no longer presented as a lunatic fringe. Reputable scientists and doctors and military experts are defending the existence of UFOs.
Get with it and do some research before forming an opinion on the subject.
December 26th, 2007 at 8:16 pmComment by chasemonster — December 26, 2007 @ 8:15 pm
Who should get the credit for this writing then? Please direct me to the source.
December 26th, 2007 at 8:24 pm#69, and your point is???
Comment by RUCerious
There is none. Goon_golly is only here to throw feces on the wall and watch what happens.
December 26th, 2007 at 8:26 pmComment by republicanSScareme — December 26, 2007 @ 8:16 pm
Uninformed has nothing to do with it, in my view. For the most part these are trolls defaming those they are against and hoping to inflame people like you and disrupt the thread.
December 26th, 2007 at 8:29 pm#125 Comment by bilbobaggins — December 26, 2007 @ 8:26 pm
There is none. Goon_golly is only here to throw feces on the wall and watch what happens.
Exactly!
December 26th, 2007 at 8:30 pmThat information has been presented - and debunked - on for a while now.
December 26th, 2007 at 8:32 pmComment by SeanC
Really? This has been debunked on wikipedia.org, a place where some named in wikipedia, have been allowed to go back and make changtes?
Your 45% figure is as real as the UFO you claim you saw. The real number is 14%.
Comment by good_golly
I couldn’t find a link to the 45% number I read about, but I did find a very interesting read:
Sixty-four percent of the respondents said that aliens have contacted humans, half said they’ve abducted humans, and 37 percent said they have contacted the U.S. government. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9706/15/ufo.poll/
And here’s another:
Canadian UFO Poll: 3 million Canadians have seen UFOs
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc996.htm
So goon_golly, it looks like Kucinich has a lot of company.
December 26th, 2007 at 8:34 pmOf course Kucinich did see something he was unable to identify hence he called it a UFO. You on the right would just identify it as a sign from Jesus that the rapture is near and be done with it.
Comment by Shayne
You won’t find a “good Christian” who believes in UFO’s. If they believed that there was other intelligent life in the universe, they may have to deal with the possibility that we were put here to colonize the earth by that other intelligent life. Christians need a world view that they are all that there is. It’s a rather myopic view, but it’s theirs.
December 26th, 2007 at 8:37 pmThis is the entire paragraph.
” Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among
blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5%
of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market,
individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action. I know
many who fall into this group personally and they deserve credit–not as
representatives of a racial group, but as decent people. They are,
however, outnumbered. Of black males in Washington, D.C, between the ages of 18 and 35, 42% are charged with a crime or are serving a sentence, reports the National Center on Institutions and Alternatives. The Center also reports that 70% of all black men in Washington are arrested before they reach the age of 35, and 85% are arrested at some point in their lives. Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the “criminal
justice system,” I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males
in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal. ”
Read the entire article here. It was written in the context of the LA riots
where black rioters terrorized whites and asians supposedly over the rodney king verdict .
http://groups.google.com/ group/ soc.culture.african.american/ msg/ c8668bd3662b0fa5
I have not lived in the states for over 20 years. But when I did, there were certain areas in the evening that for a white were as dangerous as Baghdad is today. Hopefully that has changed today, and his comments are no longer relevant.
December 26th, 2007 at 8:38 pmComment by Marie — December 26, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
December 26th, 2007 at 8:42 pmMarie - what was that all about?
Comment by Merlin — December 26, 2007 @ 8:24 pm
See, that’s what I’m talking about. No one can tell from the story who actually wrote it because Kos signs his own name to it and then deceitfully hides the link using a hyperlink without mentioning the writer by name in order to make it appear that Kos came up with the story.
TP even fell for it and refers to Kos as the story’s writer.
The writer is someone named Phenry.
Here is the link to the original document that Kos is plagiarizing:
http://www.dailykos.com/ storyonly/ 2007/ 5/ 15/ 124912/ 740
Shame shame shame on little greedy wuss Kos for not having the decency or integrity to even Mention the writer’s name.
This is not the first time this has happened and it’s one of many reasons that I why I do not visit the dailykos site anymore.
This Kos character is famous for surfing the diaries of his own contributors and then stealing their ideas and then remaking the story and signing his own name to it and then headlining it on his site as if he just came up with the story.
BUSTED!!!
December 26th, 2007 at 8:47 pmI’ve pretty much quit reading Kos. When one poster said something to the effect that “Kos doesn’t like when we bring that up…” I thought: “Uh. Oh. I’ve stumbled onto a third grade classroom…or a cult.” In my opinion, Kos has a supercilious air about him.
December 26th, 2007 at 9:36 pmI’d believe he’d take credit for someone else’s work.
There are facts that the “head in the sand folks” believe are just too politically incorrect to say out loud. That doesn’t mean they still aren’t true. The indesputable fact is that young black males are involved in far more criminal activity than other ethnicities. Instead of denying the truth we should work to figure how to correct the problem. As with alcoholics, the first treatment step is to admit there is a problem.
You can legimately say that you don’t agree with Paul’s positions, but I’ve never heard anyone on either the left or right say he isn’t honest, and honest politicians are a rare commodity indeed.
The man deserves a little credit.
We needed many more in Congress like him who had the guts to oppose the Patriot Act, oppose the Iraq War, oppose national ID cards, claim that fascism will come wrapped in a flag with a cross, get us out of the business of world imperialism, end the billions in aid funds to Israel and other countries when we can’t even fund our own social security, and end the card carrying Israeli domination of our US Federal reserve. http://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/default.htm
December 26th, 2007 at 9:44 pmNot only did he claim to see a UFO, but he “heard directions in his mind.†Sounds Crazy to me.
http://forthardknox.com/ 2007/ 10/ 24/ dennis-kucinich-saw-a-ufo/
Comment by good_golly — December 26, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
Bush gets the same reaction from talking to god, right?
December 26th, 2007 at 9:52 pmWe needed many more in Congress like him who had the guts to oppose the Patriot Act, oppose the Iraq War, oppose national ID cards, claim that fascism will come wrapped in a flag with a cross, get us out of the business of world imperialism, end the billions in aid funds to Israel and other countries when we can’t even fund our own social security, and end the card carrying Israeli domination of our US Federal reserve. http://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/default.htm
Comment by theagitator — December 26, 2007 @ 9:44 pm
well, maybe, but he’s on the same road to theocracy and ignorance as many he’s fighting. He’s not the guy.
December 26th, 2007 at 9:53 pmAnd, NO! Just because he hides a hyperlink in one of the words doesn’t change the fact that he ripped off somebone else’s work!
Comment by chasemonster — December 26, 2007 @ 8:15 pm
And if you know where he took it from then you should be able to provide the link to the original article but you didn’t did you. So lame.
December 26th, 2007 at 10:28 pmWell, it looks like ThinkProgress got the “smear Ron Paul” memo. I find it interesting that the editors here would republish this smear from Kos — a partisan whose only goal is to elect Democrats — while not mentioning the seeming relevant fact that Ron Paul did not write the piece in question. The NY Times published a profile of Paul earlier this year written by an editor for the Weekly Standard — a publication that has called Paul “un-American” for his opposition to war, so hardly “friendly” to Paul — which came to the conclusion that Paul did not write the piece quoted by TP(http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/magazine/22Paul-t.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all):
Ron Paul is also the only candidate who would end the war on drugs. An African American male is now more likely to be convicted of a felony than to graduate college thanks to this racist and reactionary policy, yet only Ron Paul has had the courage to speak out against it. At the recent PBS debate on minority issues, Paul talked about how he saw the policy as unfairly targeting minorities, while rich white suburbanites — statistically the bulk of drug users — get off (video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8S8N2OG7sU)
December 26th, 2007 at 10:34 pmThis Kos character is famous for surfing the diaries of his own contributors and then stealing their ideas and then remaking the story and signing his own name to it and then headlining it on his site as if he just came up with the story.
BUSTED!!!
Comment by chasemonster — December 26, 2007 @ 8:47 pm
What do you think having phenry’s name and email address all over the article means, that he wasn’t giving credit to the guy. How delusional are you nutjobs?
December 26th, 2007 at 10:36 pmI’m not surprised, and why should anyone who’s honest? Why should this even be news? Ron Paul’s view of Black men is similar to that of most white people, so this article is just stating the obvious.
McKinney for President!!!
December 26th, 2007 at 10:45 pmHow delusional are you nutjobs?
Comment by Shayne — December 26, 2007 @ 10:36 pm
Is that some sort of challenge? :-D
December 26th, 2007 at 10:53 pmYou all realize that these statements made by RP are extremely old news and don’t really mean squat since his record since ‘92 has been decidedly un-racist. In any case, since they didn’t affect his congressional campaigns, I can’t see them affecting his presidential campaigns, especially since everyone else out there has many more problems with their credibility than he does.
I’m just sayin…
December 26th, 2007 at 10:57 pm.
And Paul-Bots continue the charade that Paul is for Freedom, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness… (for whites only).
.
December 27th, 2007 at 12:28 amWell that comment ends the Black vote and many other races too. Ron Paul is like Barbara Bush who lives in the past and thinks it’s ok to treat people like they’re not equal. As an African American I’d like Ron Paul to explain why we have so many black Law Makers and other professionals. Why is the entire White House in jail because of the open crimes they have committed. Ron Paul can’t win as President without a majority of the votes and that statement alone ends his run. Why do must of the candidates put their foot in their mouth and end their chances of winning. Mitt lied about his Dad marching with Martin Luther King, Rudy is whoring around on the taxpayers money and Rev. Huck is letting his son torture and kill animals and lying about the cross he had in his ad. McCain will so and do anything for a vote because Bush didn’t give him his base as he promised with the famous hug. Grampa Fred is so out of it he thinks Nixon is still in office. The rest of the field is just collecting money for retirement. The truth always comes out in the end.
December 27th, 2007 at 1:18 amthere is at least a modicum of validity to at least one of his claims:
that it is not entirely irrational to be somewhat afraid of black men in major cities, given the statistics.
and, hey, think progress: paul NEVER stated that 95% of black men are criminal. he said, “95% of black men in that city”
more propaganda!
December 27th, 2007 at 1:51 ammore liberals should take notice of some of paul’s positions, instead of locating isolated weaknesses in his character.
December 27th, 2007 at 1:52 amsure, i’ll never vote for him, but at least he’s making most of the democratic candidates look pretty weak.
kucinich is the only candidate to take a firm, clear position vis a vis the most important issues of the day.
December 27th, 2007 at 2:05 amSigh. I thought this blog was better than Daily Kos.
It looks like it was covered already but likely buried in spam, but this lame hit on Ron Paul has been debunked several times. And I’m getting tired of posting about this, so pay attention please.
Paul didn’t write that, it was a ghostwriter. These newsletters often have ghostwriters write articles while the main writer is away on business. Paul said this, and is saddened by the things that were written. Obviously the article that these quotes are from don’t sound anything like any of Paul’s other writings, in content and wording. Of course, none of that matters, this is just an attempt at a “Senator, have you stopped beating your wife?” style hitpiece.
(View Ron Paul’s Wikipedia to see some sources for this, I’m not bothering linking them.)
If you don’t want to be an ignorant partisan and you’d like to know the actual facts, unlike the Republicans most of you despise, I hope you’ll read what Dr. Paul’s words on the subject of racism really are:
Government and Racism by Ron Paul
December 27th, 2007 at 4:06 amhttp://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12102
The anti-Paul Popular Front is wide-ranging, extending from the neocons over at the Weekly Standard and the editorial offices of National Review to the left-wing Web sites priming their readers for Hillary’s candidacy – and leading, finally, to the lair of something called the American National Socialist Workers Party (ANSWP), a neo-Nazi outfit run by a weirdo by the name of Bill White. White’s contribution to the smear campaign is a cock-and-bull story, posted on the Vanguard News Network forum, which claims that Paul and his aides have regularly met with neo-Nazi nut-jobs such as himself, supposedly at a series of dinner meetings organized in Washington, D.C. Says Fuehrer White:
“Comrades:
“I have kept quiet about the Ron Paul campaign for a while, because I didn’t see any need to say anything that would cause any trouble. However, reading the latest release from his campaign spokesman, I am compelled to tell the truth about Ron Paul’s extensive involvement in white nationalism.
“Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic [sic] Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays. This is part of a dinner that was originally organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens.
“I have attended these dinners, seen Paul and his aides there, and been invited to his offices in Washington to discuss policy.
“For his spokesman to call white racialism a ’small ideology’ and claim white activists are ‘wasting their money’ trying to influence Paul is ridiculous. Paul is a white nationalist of the Stormfront type who has always kept his racial views and his views about world Judaism quiet because of his political position.
“I don’t know that it is necessarily good for Paul to ‘expose’ this. However, he really is someone with extensive ties to white nationalism and for him to deny that in the belief he will be more respectable by denying it is outrageous – and I hate seeing people in the press who denounce racialism merely because they think it is not fashionable.
“Bill White, Commander, American National Socialist Workers Party”
To begin with, who the heck is Bill White? Here’s what the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith has to say about him: “Along with his media savvy,” they aver, “White is known for spreading propaganda and lies about his perceived enemies.” Go here for his extensive criminal record. White started his career as a dingbat of renown with the founding of the Utopian Anarchist Party when he was just a lad. The UAP’s 15 minutes of fame occurred after the Columbine High School shootings, when White or one of his wacked-out confreres issued a statement praising the shooters. This guy loooooves attention, and he got plenty of it when, after his evolution into a Sieg-Heiling, uniform-wearing neo-Nazi, he published the addresses and home phone numbers of the Jena Six. His “career” as a major nut reached its zenith with his leadership in the National Socialist Movement, which at one time claimed to be the biggest collection of losers and criminal misfits since George Lincoln Rockwell and his gang first blighted this country with their presence. But that outfit blew apart, mostly on account of White’s penchant for factional manipulation, and this effort to derail the Paul campaign is this would-be mini-Hitler’s latest claim to fame.
Secondly, the man who organized the dinner meetings “Commander” White refers to, Peter Gemma, has this to say:
“I ran those dinners – Ron Paul was never there… If Bill White ever came to the meetings, he didn’t use his real name – he doesn’t even get the name of the restaurant correctly.”
December 27th, 2007 at 4:53 amJust so you know what Daily Kos is really all about…
http://thefilter.ca/ articles/ usa-and-world/ daily-kos-cia-engineered-controlled-opposition/
Daily Kos: CIA Engineered Controlled Opposition?
August 13th, 2007
Kurt Nimmo
ANOTHER DAY IN THE EMPIRE
Is it possible Markos Alberto Moulitsas Zúñiga, leader of the “Kossaks,†that is to say followers and fawners of the Daily Kos, is a CIA operative? Francis Holland, posting on the My Left Wing messageboard, details Moulitsas’ relationship with the CIA:
“Markos Moulitsas Zúniga, owner of the DailyKos website, now admits that he spent six months in the employ of the US Central Intelligence Agency in 2001,†writes Holland. “In a one-hour interview on June 2, 2006 at the Commonwealth Club, Moulitsas, also known as ‘Kos,’ admitted that he was a CIA employee and would have ‘no problem working for them’ in the present.â€
“I applied to the CIA and I went all the way to the end, I mean it was to the point where I was going to sign papers to become Clandestine Services,†Moulitsas admits in the interview. “And it was at that point that the Howard Dean campaign took off and I had to make a decision whether I was gonna kinda join the Howard Dean campaign, that whole process, or was I was going to become a spy. (Laughter in the audience.) It was going to be a tough decision at first, but then the CIA insisted that if, if I joined that, they’d want me to do the first duty assignment in Washington, DC, and I hate Washington, DC. Six years in Washington, DC [inaudible] that makes the decision a lot easier.â€
Moulitsas considers the CIA “a very liberal institution,†never mind the agency, according to John Stockwell, former CIA Station Chief in Angola (see my John Stockwell: The Third World War video), is responsible for killing more than six million people.
Is it possible Mr. Moulitsas does not have a problem with the documented fact the CIA’s predecessor, the Overseas Secret Service, imported Nazis to work for the soon to be created CIA under General Reinhard Gehlen? “Gehlen was far from the only Nazi war criminal employed by the CIA. Others included Klaus Barbie (’the Butcher of Lyon’), Otto von Bolschwing (the Holocaust mastermind who worked closely with Eichmann) and, SS Colonel Otto Skorzeny (a great favorite of Hitler’s),†writes Mark Zepezauer (The CIA’s Greatest Hits, Odonian Press, 1994). “There’s even evidence that Martin Bormann, Hitler’s second-in-command at the end of the war, faked his own death and escaped to Latin America, where he worked with CIA-linked groups.
Or that the CIA financed the P-2 Masonic lodge, connected with the Vatican and the Mafia, and enthusiastically supported Operation Gladio, the “strategy of tension†terrorist “stay behind army†effort in Europe, responsible of train station bombings and assassinations, run by former SS Nazis? Is it possible Mr. Moulitsas supports the CIA effort to create shell banks such as the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, accurately characterized by former CIA director and current Sec. Def. Robert Gates as “the Bank of Crooks and Criminals International� Does Moulitsas support the idea of MK-ULTRA, a program designed to test “radiation, electric shocks, electrode implants, microwaves, ultrasound and a wide range of drugs on unwitting subjects, including hundreds of prisoners at California’s infamous Vacaville State Prison,†as Zepezauer notes? Or what about the CIA getting into the heroin business with the Corsican Mafia, paving the way for highly profitable drug importation operations in Central America and Afghanistan, money used not only to enrich the “investment†(in death and misery)