The number of Americans who, as of 1:00 PM today, have signed on to Rep. Robert Wexler’s (D-FL) online petition demanding congressional impeachment hearings for Vice President Dick Cheney. Last week, Wexler told Ed Schultz that he launched his website after traditional media outlets rejected an op-ed he had written with his colleagues Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) and Tammy Baldwin (D-WI). Today, the Philadelphia Inquirer ran Wexler’s op-ed outlining why he believes impeachment hearings are necessary.
The reality is that Conyers said on a Democracy Now interview that he will still not allow the impeachment hearings in the Judicial Committee.
He knows that Pelosi will use her authority to strike it down regardless of what they come up with in the committee.
We need to get Pelosi out of her seat as Speaker of the House…
December 27th, 2007 at 2:08 pmRoses are red, violets are not blue. Justice served is long overdue. May all the seeds they have sown be returned to them threefold. Enough is enough! This lawless bullshit has gotten way beyond old.
December 27th, 2007 at 2:13 pmFrank: “Online petitions, just like online polls, mean absolutely nothing.”
A few weeks ago, you were blathering on and on about the results of an on-line Zogby poll that you liked. Either you clueslessly didn’t understand that this Zogby poll was on-line or you trust the results of polls based on what you want to hear. Either way, you’re an ass.
December 27th, 2007 at 2:16 pmThat’s just 141,387 more names on Cheney’s list of people to take “hunting.”
December 27th, 2007 at 2:20 pmAnd I have a suspicion that there has been a considerable increase in the number of people signing up for the free e-mail services like Gmail or Hotmail… Can you imagine how many new, fake e-mail accounts partisan dem hacks have created just to get boost the number of names on that petition list?
Online petitions, just like online polls, mean absolutely nothing.
Comment by Frank M — December 27, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
And that “suspicion” of yours is just that — only a suspicion, unless you can come up with some evidence to back it up.
This is a typical tactic people employ when data comes along that contradicts their position. They simply diss the data.
Even IF Wexler’s petition consisted only of a lot of fake e-mails, how do you explain the poll results from American Research Group that claims 70% believe Cheney has abused his power to some degree and 43% want him gone now (the strongest position against him from the list of choices)? Was it a fake poll?
Check this out, and scroll to the bottom…
http://americanresearchgroup.com/
By all means, if you have some evidence that suggests that most Americans absolutely love and respect Cheney, think that he is doing a wonderful job, and see no reason whatsoever to investigate anything he’s done, go ahead and provide it.
December 27th, 2007 at 2:21 pmCan you imagine how many new, fake e-mail accounts partisan dem hacks have created just to get boost the number of names on that petition list?
Online petitions, just like online polls, mean absolutely nothing.
Comment by Frank M — December 27, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
You have any proof of this Jake? And of course when a poll or petition swings your way you’re on here spouting about it. As a devout Christian is lying allowed by your church, I didn’t think so.
December 27th, 2007 at 2:22 pmWe need to get Pelosi out of her seat as Speaker of the House…
Comment by willyloman — December 27, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
The roadblocks set up by Conyers and Pelosi are every bit as bad as the GOP obstructionism we all deplore. I hope their constituents in San Francisco and suburban Detroit remember that next November.
December 27th, 2007 at 2:24 pmUS population est. JUL 2007: 301,139,947
Signers of Wexler’s petition: 141,387
Americans that don’t give a damn: 300,998,560
Americans that watched the premiere of American Idol 5: 35,000,000
Justice that will be served: none
December 27th, 2007 at 2:29 pmFrank,
You seem grumpy.
Not enough powder on your bum after the diaper change this morning?
-GSD
December 27th, 2007 at 2:30 pmmissmolly: “By all means, if you have some evidence that suggests that most Americans absolutely love and respect Cheney, think that he is doing a wonderful job, and see no reason whatsoever to investigate anything he’s done, go ahead and provide it.”
Don’t hold your breath.
December 27th, 2007 at 2:30 pmOnline petitions, just like online polls, mean absolutely nothing.
Comment by Frank M — December 27, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
It’s still a good idea Frank.
December 27th, 2007 at 2:32 pmmiss molly
Here’s some more …
The Harris Poll. Oct. 5-8, 2007. N=1,003 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.
“How would you rate the job Vice President Dick Cheney is doing: excellent, pretty good, only fair, or poor?”
Excellent/Pretty Good 23
December 27th, 2007 at 2:33 pmOnly Fair/Poor 72
Not Sure/Refused 5
Frank, like Jake, does everything he can to ignore my posts. Coincidence?
Frank/Jake, you’re so transparent that it’s pathetic. Evidently, you’re used to the level of intelligence one finds at places like FreeRepublic, which is to say, not much.
December 27th, 2007 at 2:36 pmImpeachment hearings. I like the sound of that.
December 27th, 2007 at 2:37 pmWhat criminal activity is that manslather? And how would you compare it to Cheney’s activities?
December 27th, 2007 at 2:38 pmIsn’t Wexler the little homosexual who defended Bill Clinton’s criminal activity?
Comment by Manslagt — December 27, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
What is it with you people and your homosexual obsession? I’ll bet you were one of those guys in high school that went around “ball tapping” to prove how “totally not gay” you were
December 27th, 2007 at 2:39 pmThat’s just 141,387 more names on Cheney’s list of people to take “hunting.â€
Comment by Geekfather — December 27, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
Oh dear — I’m one of the 141,387. Do they make full body armor for hunting — complete with shot-proof face mask?
December 27th, 2007 at 2:42 pmJeebus Hornblower Kreist, if Wexler’s a sissy, Bush must be a beauty pageant winner…
December 27th, 2007 at 2:44 pmSlag, why then, would you hang around here, you might get some ‘gay’ on you!
December 27th, 2007 at 2:45 pmI think if Manuel says someone’s a sissy or a pussy or a homosexual, I will bow to his depth and breadth of experience.
December 27th, 2007 at 2:45 pmManslagt, most intelligent people have noticed that those who often use pejoratives like “pussy” and “sissy” as well as having an obsession with whether or not people are homosexuals are projecting a personal problem usually associated with being self-loathing, closeted homosexuals themselves. Maybe you haven’t heard about that. Look into it.
December 27th, 2007 at 2:48 pmGOP-ers are obsessed with gay sex. OBSESSED I say. The Ted Haggard, Larry Craig, Mark Foley Party is OBSESSED with gay sex.
-GSD
December 27th, 2007 at 2:49 pmSmagman and Daryll know the ropes, the tap-dance, the way to get your bald head rubbed in a news conference by those soft little hands. Explains why they are so vehement about defending their queen Bush, ‘twas love at first sight.
December 27th, 2007 at 2:50 pmNo Frank/Jake. You are incapable of hurting my feelings. I’m just pointing out the absurdity of you claiming to not be Jake. You’re not fooling anyone.
December 27th, 2007 at 2:50 pmGSD: “GOP-ers are obsessed with gay sex. OBSESSED I say. The Ted Haggard, Larry Craig, Mark Foley Party is OBSESSED with gay sex.”
Want a good laugh? Go check out the most popular searches on Conservapedia. Turns out those who visit conservapedia have a real thing about gay sex.
December 27th, 2007 at 2:51 pmmissmolly says;
“The roadblocks set up by Conyers and Pelosi are every bit as bad as the GOP obstructionism we all deplore. I hope their constituents in San Francisco and suburban Detroit remember that next November.”
I couldn’t agree more, but why wait?
http://www.petitiononline.com/everyman/petition.html
December 27th, 2007 at 2:52 pmComment by Manslagt — December 27, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
So you prefer more the Rock Hudson bear type? Do you honestly think that testosterone is the problem you have with the gentlemen you have cited as being insufficiently manly? Just say you don’t like them. Spare us the dumb Chuck Norris routine. Thanks
December 27th, 2007 at 2:57 pmIt’s not an obsession. We’re just growing weary of sissies like Wexler, Emanuel “Ballerina Girl†Rahm, and Faiz “Seriously, I’m Not Al Qaeda†Shakir making outrageous statements that have no factual basis.
Comment by Manslagt — December 27, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
Like that one?
December 27th, 2007 at 2:59 pmIt’s Rahm Emanuel, putz. (And thanks to Emanuel, we have those goddamned “blue-dog democrats” read: republicans in disguise.) Ef Emanuel.
December 27th, 2007 at 2:59 pm#9: I’ve debated this before and I still say that it’s trivial to generate fake e-mail accounts in bulk and use those to sign that petition automatically.
Comment by Frank M — December 27, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
Are you debating or are you making a moot point?
Comment by justasking — December 27, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
Frank has confessed to being a fascist, several times. He doesn’t care what people think on any issue, so polls are irrelevant. The leaders will make the decisions and only polls that prove the leaders to be correct are valid polls. Sheesh.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:00 pmnanlichi: “Smagman and Daryll know the ropes, the tap-dance, the way to get your bald head rubbed in a news conference by those soft little hands. Explains why they are so vehement about defending their queen Bush, ‘twas love at first sight.”
Did you know that Bush advisor, Josh Bolton’s hobby is collecting photos of Bush’s hands. I just find that a little creepy.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:00 pmDid you know that Bush advisor, Josh Bolton’s hobby is collecting photos of Bush’s hands. I just find that a little creepy.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — December 27, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
A little?
December 27th, 2007 at 3:02 pmare the pictures of Bush’s hands all sticky?
December 27th, 2007 at 3:02 pm#43, No, but very calloused…
December 27th, 2007 at 3:05 pmare the pictures of Bush’s hands all sticky?
Comment by willyloman — December 27, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
The real question is — who made them sticky? Bush or Bolten?
December 27th, 2007 at 3:05 pmIt’s not an obsession. We’re just growing weary of sissies like Wexler, Emanuel “Ballerina Girl†Rahm, and Faiz “Seriously, I’m Not Al Qaeda†Shakir making outrageous statements that have no factual basis.
Comment by Manslagt — December 27, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
Wow - you just managed to make gratuitously offensive statements about Democrats, homosexuals, women, and Arabs/people with Arabic names all in one sentence. That might be a new record!
December 27th, 2007 at 3:07 pmSigned! Glad to see somebody in Congress takes their responsibilities seriously.
** ITMFA **
December 27th, 2007 at 3:08 pmWe’re just growing weary
And who might ‘we’ be? You and the mouse in your pocket?
December 27th, 2007 at 3:08 pmThe two words forbidden on corporate newscasts:
1) Impeachment
December 27th, 2007 at 3:12 pm2) Kucinich
Ret. Col. Jack Ripper, yes I had heard that. That’s pretty strange.
I think we are seeing a lot of compensating for inadequacies coming from this administration. Iraq for example, is in a lot of ways Bush’s feeble attempt to overcome a life of failure. Instead, it reinforced the fact that he is a failure.
I am no psychologist, so I lead with “I think” and leave it at the level of opinion.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:14 pmThe tragedy of impeachment hearings being off the table is that the public will never learn the entire truth and facts surrounding the many scandals of the Bush Administration.
Just as President Ford put a halt to the Watergate investigation, and President Clinton pushed under the rug the investigations of Iran-Contra, “Iraqgate” and the “October Surprise” case, today’s scandals will soon become unresolved. And those of us who will continue to point out the crimes of Bush/Cheney, we will eventually be painted as paranoid conspiracy theorists.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:15 pmzooey asks “The real question is — who made them sticky? Bush or Bolten?”
they both did. simultanious orgasms.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:16 pmthey both did. simultanious orgasms.
Comment by willyloman — December 27, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
Icky.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:18 pmComment by Manslagt — December 27, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
Please provide proof of these allegations.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:19 pm“What is it with you people and your homosexual obsession?â€
It’s not an obsession. We’re just growing weary of sissies like Wexler, Emanuel “Ballerina Girl†Rahm, and Faiz “Seriously, I’m Not Al Qaeda†Shakir making outrageous statements that have no factual basis.
Comment by Manslagt — December 27, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
So… if it’s not some obsession, maybe you can explain the logical connection between “making outrageous statements that have no factual basis” and calling someone a homosexual and “Ballerina Girl”?
‘Cause I sure don’t see the reference.
And if “making outrageous statements that have no factual basis” is an indication of homosexuality, then you might want to accuse pretty much all of the Bush Administration.
Hey… “Bush” Admninistration… homosexuality… heh heh… that’s pretty funny.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:19 pmdirty-chimpy-love
December 27th, 2007 at 3:19 pmmanslather stated obstruction of justice. I would hope mansludge would want to hold the same standards to this administration. If lying about a BJ is such a terrible offense then outing a covert CIA agent would certainly rise to that threshold.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:20 pmComment by Southern Man — December 27, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
You’ve got your decimal in the wrong place.
It’s 0.04791%.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:25 pmComment by Manslagt — December 27, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
So what about Haggard, Allen, Murphy, Craig, Gannon, Flory and GOD knows how many hypocrites in your backyard?
Tell you what, clean up your backyard, bub, then MAYBE you can worry about others.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:27 pmAs a percentage of registered voters, it’d be a little higher.
How many other petitions for anything other than free sex have garnered over 100,000 signatures, that’s the real question.
Besides the question of SM’s lineage, that is.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:28 pmEmanuel a sissy? apparently manbutter hasn’t heard him speak.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:29 pmI’d suspect the slag’s pocket mouse might be weary, but not from the Dems mentioned.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:29 pmConyers does NOT care about Wexler’s Petition to start Cheney impeachment hearings!
Read the transcript from Democracy Now.
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/ 2007/ 12/ 22/ from-democracy-now-interview-with-conyers-he-doesnt-care-about-wexlers-petition/
He will NOT allow impeachment hearings to take place.
Conyers knows that Pelosi will undercut the efforts of impeachment rather than helping to build a bi-partisan coalition to impeach.
Conyers knows that Pelosi will again be Speaker of the House next year and she will take him off the Judiciary Committee if he goes against her wishes. It’s a “lose-lose†for him and impeachment.
Let’s help him and the rest of the members of the House of Representatives by removing an obstructionist Speaker. It can be done and must be done to start the impeachment process.
http://www.petitiononline.com/everyman/petition.html
December 27th, 2007 at 3:31 pmFaiz Shakir is objectively pro-terrorist.
Comment by Manslagt — December 27, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
The same could be said about the likes of you who insist we keep our troops in harm’s way as targets for the terrorists, as well as throwing more money into the “war” effort and spending ourselves into bankruptcy just like Bin Laden envisioned.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:32 pmNo. Wexler is a sissy, Emanuel was a ballerina, and Faiz Shakir is objectively pro-terrorist.
Comment by Manslagt — December 27, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
Wrong on three points.
1. Robert Wexler does not appear to exhibit effeminate characteristics, behavior contrary to traditional male gender roles, or a lack of courage. In fact, by so unabashedly taking on the face-shooting vice president, I would argue that he is exhibiting tremendous courage indeed.
2. Although Rahm Emmanuel did take ballet lessons as a child and was offered a scholarship for his dance skills, he was never a ballerina. Male ballet dancers are referred to as ballerinos.
3. Faiz Shakir (whose name means “victorious thankfulness” in Arabic) has not supported al-Qa’ida or any other group on the U.S. State Department terror list in any post I’ve seen to date.
Good try, though!
December 27th, 2007 at 3:33 pmYou’ve got your decimal in the wrong place.
It’s 0.04791%.
Comment by erock — December 27, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
Damn homeskoolin anyhoo! Percentages, decimals, all that mathymagical stuff…
December 27th, 2007 at 3:34 pm…making outrageous statements that have no factual basis.
Comment by Manslagt — December 27, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
Like, oh, the Iraqis have WMDs and we know where they are.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:34 pmI thought this was Faiz Shakir.
-GSD
December 27th, 2007 at 3:36 pmThe same could be said about the likes of you who insist we keep our troops in harm’s way as targets for the terrorists, as well as throwing more money into the “war†effort and spending ourselves into bankruptcy just like Bin Laden envisioned.
Comment by Bad Eye — December 27, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
Oh yeah? Well, wait until we sue bin Laden for copyright infringement for stealing our “drive the enemy into bankruptcy” idea. Who’ll have the last laugh then, huh? Huh??
December 27th, 2007 at 3:37 pmGSD says “I thought this was Faiz Shakir.
-GSD”
that was before the operation.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:40 pmComment by gummitch — December 27, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
Indeed. To hell with what America thinks. What matters is what Bush & Co. think. Right, Frank?
The Repubs latch on to poll results only when they go in their favor. Why, just the other day, Congressman David Davis from TN was crowing about his 70% approval rating from voters in his district. Funny thing is, the polling was done by a Republican polling firm, and only GOP voters in his district were contacted.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:41 pmAh, James Baker will just defend bin Laden like he did the Saudi Royal Family and the bin Laden family back in 2005 or so.
We can’t win. Those cave dwellers are too smart for us.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:41 pmFRANK M SOUNDS REALLY DESPERATE. THE CORPORATE MEDIA TRYED TO SHUT IMPEACHMENT UP, BUT THEY CAN’T. IMEACHMENT IS NOT A FRINGE STENTMENT. IT IS MAIN STREAM SENTIMENT, AND NOT ONLY INSIDE THE USA, BUT THROUGHOUT THE WORLD COMMUNITY! FRANK M, IT IS AN IMENSE PLEASURE TO SEE YOUR DESPERATION!
December 27th, 2007 at 3:42 pm“Let’s help him and the rest of the members of the House of Representatives by removing an obstructionist Speaker. It can be done and must be done to start the impeachment process.”
http://www.petitiononline.com/everyman/petition.html
Couldn’t Agree with you more Willey!
Signed it and Ask everyone else that cares about our constitution and holding these bastards accoutable to do the same!
December 27th, 2007 at 3:43 pmThanks Radical!
December 27th, 2007 at 3:44 pmNo, it’s right.
Comment by Southern Man — December 27, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
Ugh. It’s like I’m back teaching 9th graders.
141,287/300,000,000 = 0.000471 (approx.) -> 0.0471%
When we convert to percent we multiply by 100.
Or do you think 30 is 0.3% of 100?
December 27th, 2007 at 3:45 pmAwww… did you get your little feelings hurt because uncle Frank doesn’t answer all your questions? Well, I’ll let you in on a secret. I’m under no obligation to answer questions here and neither are you. See? Posting here can be much more fun when you think about it that way, without your obsessive-compulsive need for attention from other posters.
Comment by Frank M
SOUNDS LIKE DESPERATION!
December 27th, 2007 at 3:48 pmNo, it’s right.
Comment by Southern Man — December 27, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
No, it’s wrong you homeskooled moron.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:49 pm“What is it with you people and your homosexual obsession?â€
It’s not an obsession. We’re just growing weary of sissies like Wexler, Emanuel “Ballerina Girl†Rahm, and Faiz “Seriously, I’m Not Al Qaeda†Shakir making outrageous statements that have no factual basis.
Comment by Manslagt — December 27, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
PEOPLE WHO WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE’S SEXUALITY, MEANS THAT THEY ARE NOT SO SURE ABOUT THEIRS.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:50 pmNo, it’s not.
30,000,000,000 people in the USA alone? That would be staggering Southern Man. Are you sure it’s not the Southern Comfort that’s causing all that staggering little guy?
December 27th, 2007 at 3:50 pmIT NVERY BASIC PSYCHOLOGY!
December 27th, 2007 at 3:51 pmComment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — December 27, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
Frank ignores the posts that he cannot respond to. Just like the other day when I simply asked for news articles from Foxnews.com showing the good-news stories from Iraq. “I don’t do requests” came the response.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:52 pmUgh. It’s like I’m back teaching 9th graders.
Do they have grades up to 9 in SM homeskoolin?
December 27th, 2007 at 3:52 pmHomeskoolin only goes up to “If it was Good Enough for Jesus” level.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:54 pmDo they have grades up to 9 in SM homeskoolin?
Comment by RUCerious — December 27, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
Probably not. Once they grasp “2+2 = Gay liberal Satanist agenda” I think they automatically graduate.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:56 pmwilly, looks like SM is into Loaves and Fishes math…
December 27th, 2007 at 3:56 pmI signed a few more times.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:58 pmRUC that would be the miracle math principle, which is widely used in their polling techniques as well as with the Election Boards in Florida and Ohio.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:58 pmAm I the only person that is offended when someone calls someone homosexual/fag/gay intending it to be derogatory. I personally think that anyone that says someone is gay meaning it to be a slant on there character should get flagged and reported for hateful and bigot remarks. Honestly would anyone allow me to call someone black or the “N word” and mean it as a slant against there character.
December 27th, 2007 at 3:59 pmOr the “There is 30 billion people in America”, math which also includes the “Everyone Loves Bush because he is a father-figure-hero-decider-type-guy-with-sticky-hands” numbers.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:01 pmWHEN PEOPLE ARE SECURE AND CONFORTABLE WITH THEIR OWN SEXUALITY THEY DON’T FEEL THREATENED BY OTHER TYPES OF SEXUALITIES. YES THERE ARE MANY OTHER TYPES. WHEN THEY WORRIE TOO MUCH ABOUT HOMOSEXUALS, THAT MEANS THEY HAVE HOMOSEXUAL TENDENCIES WITHIN THEIR OWN PERSOANLITIES AND THEY HAVE TO REPRESS IT. HOMOPHOBIA.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:02 pmry81 asks “Honestly would anyone allow me to call someone black or the “N word†and mean it as a slant against there character.”
can it be used when it isn’t a slant against their character?
December 27th, 2007 at 4:02 pmIsn’t Wexler the little homosexual who defended Bill Clinton’s criminal activity?
Comment by Manslagt — December 27, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
I don’t know but isn’t your name a “little homosexual”?
December 27th, 2007 at 4:04 pmComment by Manslagt — December 27, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Manslagt would just rather forget the little shooting incident after which Cheney refused to be interviewed by local police until the next day. Nah…no obstruction of justice there.
Or Bush’s blocking of an investigation by the DOJ into the behavior of the department’s lawyers in regards to the warrantless wiretapping program, which otherwise Bush advised us was completely legal and did not receive any objections by administration lawyers.
Or the illegal use of RNC e-mail accounts for conducting government business.
Or the destruction of millions of government e-mails, also in violation of the law.
Or Cheney’s refusal to abide by oversight from the National Archives in regard to properly securing classified data, a procedure he had no problem with prior to 2003. And let’s not forget Cheney’s attempt at dismantling the department in the Nat’l Archives charged with carrying out that oversight.
Nah. Manslagt thinks these incidents are just fine.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:06 pmwilly- No you can’t say the N word just like you shouldn’t use the word Fag. But my point was that if someone were to say “Obama is black” and mean it as a bad thing, there would be an uproar. The same should be true is someone says “whoever is a homosexual” and mean it as a bad thing.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:06 pmBartlebee asks “Are the trolls we’re debating really THAT stupid?”
apparently so. I tell you, the troll companies are having to recruit from the bottom of the barrel these days.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:07 pmNOW, ABOUT IMPEACHMENT. THE MOMENT IT CAN NOT ESCAPE MAIN STREAM MEDIA ANY LONGER, YOU GET PEOPLE LIKE MIMI FRANK REALLY GETTING DESPERATE TO THE POINT OF EXCUSING HIMSELF FROM PRESENTING EVIDENCE OR TO ARGUE WITH ARGUMENTS BASED ON EVIDENCE. HE PREFERS TO QUOTE HIS ‘DEAR LEADER’, DISSMISS CONTRADITORY OPINION AND TALK ABOUT HOW HE GETS TO THE ‘GIRLS’ WITH HIS MUSTANG THAT DADY GAVE HIM…
December 27th, 2007 at 4:08 pmry81 “The same should be true is someone says “whoever is a homosexual†and mean it as a bad thing.”
Oh I agree with you. It should be something that the admins scrub out. They would definately remove n-word slurrs.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:08 pmPosting here can be much more fun when you think about it that way, without your obsessive-compulsive need for attention from other posters.
Comment by Frank M — December 27, 2007 @ 2:42 pm
Or when you have an “ignore list” right Jake?
December 27th, 2007 at 4:09 pmIt says a lot about the slag that he intends these epithets to be slurs.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:11 pmmaking outrageous statements that have no factual basis.
Comment by Manslagt — December 27, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
That must put you in desperate straits then trying to figure out which Republic lying sack of shit you want to nominate. Oh wait, maybe they’re not lying about not believing in evolution. Either way, good luck numbnutz.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:12 pmAm I the only person that is offended when someone calls someone homosexual/fag/gay intending it to be derogatory.
Comment by ry81 — December 27, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
No, you’re not the only one. I am against name-calling just on general principle, since it’s seldom constructive and it tends to kill all hope of intelligent discourse. It’s also basically saying “I have run out of intelligent things to say, so I have become a second grader.”
It’s especially offensive when the name-calling denigrates a group of people having nothing to do with the topic of conversation. No — “homosexual”, “fag”, “gay” or similar labels should not be used with the intention of being derogatory, and conflating homosexuality with negative traits exhibited by posters here on TP is harmful all the way around — offensive to gays and it makes the name-caller look like an idiotic homophobic bigot.
I am also offended when derogatory terms about females are used. When one poster calls another poster a “pussy”, this is offensive to me, since it’s usually meant to mean weakness, as in “weak as a woman.” Similarly, making snide comments about “screaming like a little girl” or “running away like a little girl” to indicate cowardice is just as unfair to women.
I appeal to all posters that if they are tempted to engage in name-calling, to ask themselves two questions:
1) Have I really run out of intelligent arguments to the point I am reduced to this?
2) If I call somebody something offensive, am I offending only that person, or am I offending a whole group of people who aren’t the target of my wrath?
December 27th, 2007 at 4:12 pmDid you know that Bush advisor, Josh Bolton’s hobby is collecting photos of Bush’s hands. I just find that a little creepy.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — December 27, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
A little bit creepy like Hannibal Lechter, what a bunch of sociopaths.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:17 pmI am also offended when derogatory terms about females are used. When one poster calls another poster a “pussyâ€, this is offensive to me, since it’s usually meant to mean weakness, as in “weak as a woman.†Similarly, making snide comments about “screaming like a little girl†or “running away like a little girl†to indicate cowardice is just as unfair to women.
Comment by missmolly — December 27, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
Yay, Miss Molly!
December 27th, 2007 at 4:18 pmWhy do we only get gay conservative posters here? Aren’t there any straight ones?
December 27th, 2007 at 4:18 pmThank you missmolly, that is the best post so far today. There can be no intelligent discourse when it resorts to name calling. If the administrators on this site want intelligent discussions they need to make the rules clear, that no name calling/personal attacks will be allowed. This comes from both sides too (not just conservatives) and it is insulting to my intelligence.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:19 pmPeople, you are debating a troll who seriously thinks the war in Iraq (and all of the US’ financial problems) can be solved simply by printing more money.
I kid you not.
The Force is definitely not strong with this one…
December 27th, 2007 at 4:23 pmMiss Molly, on the high road, as usual. It is really hard for me not to retaliate in kind when these trolls come out with their really inane crap. But you’re right, when we stoop to their level, it just brings us down.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:23 pmThe Force is definitely not strong with this one…
Comment by Gregor Samsa — December 27, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
Perhaps the Dark Side is shielding him from life’s lessons…
December 27th, 2007 at 4:24 pmTheir voices may be stridently loud, but the reality is that there are (thank God) very few nuts that actually support this drivel. What a small, small, small number…
December 27th, 2007 at 4:27 pmOr do you think 30 is 0.3% of 100?
Comment by erock — December 27, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
You know you’re talking to Southern Man right? He is part of the “hire the handicapped” troll program, don’t expect too much.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:29 pmJT says “What a small, small, small number…”
unless you use SouthernMan’s math skilz…. then the number is something like a bazillion or so.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:29 pmJT, my neigbor, whose wife is a good friend of my wife’s, is a loudmouth FrankM/Hendler/Slag to the max.
There seems to be a couple in every neighborhood…
December 27th, 2007 at 4:30 pmI appeal to all posters that if they are tempted to engage in name-calling, to ask themselves two questions:
1) Have I really run out of intelligent arguments to the point I am reduced to this?
2) If I call somebody something offensive, am I offending only that person, or am I offending a whole group of people who aren’t the target of my wrath?
Comment by missmolly — December 27, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
I’m with you most of the way, and have been particularly annoyed by the progressives who post here who regularly make homophobic jokes about people on the Right. I brought this up some time back and was slagged off with “Aw, we’re just poking fun at their hypocrisy.” Constantly accusing members (sorry) of the Bush administration of being closeted gays (or not so closeted) just to jab at them is homophobic. Period.
Sometimes, however, insulting an obvious troll seems entirely appropriate. When I call one of them a pompous fathead, an idiot, or a moron isn’t intended to insult an entire class of people, just that particular pompous fatheaded idiot.
And, frankly, I don’t take really well to ry81 suddenly appearing (or reappearing) and launching into his concern speech about the rest of us insulting his intelligence.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:30 pmthe trolls are actually people who got rejected by Regent University.. and you know how hard it is to get rejected by Regent Univeristy…
December 27th, 2007 at 4:31 pmOr do you think 30 is 0.3% of 100?
Comment by erock — December 27, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
You know you’re talking to Southern Man right? He is part of the “hire the handicapped†troll program, don’t expect too much.
Comment by Shayne — December 27, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
Pressed with hard questions and tricky math, Southern Man appears to have flown the coop.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:31 pmI wonder who will read his indictment to him.
And when.
That should spread a chill over the room and joy over the land.
Comment by eve
hEHEHEHEHEE! i’M WITH YOU!
December 27th, 2007 at 4:32 pmComment by Manslagt — December 27, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
Sure, thats why he runs a blog condemning war and warmongering.
:|
Next time you might try breaking the pills in half.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 27, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
Well he’s obviously taken to crushing them up and heating them in a spoon with koolaid so he can inject them intravenously. I think he’s way past the point of no return.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:33 pmAnd, frankly, I don’t take really well to ry81 suddenly appearing (or reappearing) and launching into his concern speech about the rest of us insulting his intelligence.
Comment by gummitch — December 27, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
Excellent point, gummitch.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:33 pmI read “I am against name-calling just on general principle” and knew immediately who it was!
December 27th, 2007 at 4:35 pmmissmolly, you are pure class, my friend.
I read “I am against name-calling just on general principle†and knew immediately who it was!
missmolly, you are pure class, my friend.
Comment by Wilco — December 27, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
Ah, fooey. She sets the bar way too high.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:37 pmthe trolls are actually people who got rejected by Regent University.. and you know how hard it is to get rejected by Regent Univeristy…
Comment by willyloman — December 27, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
Show up at the interview with a copy of The Origin of Species?
December 27th, 2007 at 4:40 pmAh, fooey. She sets the bar way too high.
Comment by gummitch
I think people find it often too easy to just go under the bar.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:41 pmJerk.
JT, my neigbor, whose wife is a good friend of my wife’s, is a loudmouth FrankM/Hendler/Slag to the max.
There seems to be a couple in every neighborhood…
Comment by RUCerious — December 27, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
JT seems particularly shrill to me. He must be the neighbor that everybody pretends to not be home for.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:41 pmI’m wondering if there are any straight conservative trolls.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:41 pmShayne, you may have JT confused with JTV, a concern troll of record…
December 27th, 2007 at 4:43 pmAnd, frankly, I don’t take really well to ry81 suddenly appearing (or reappearing) and launching into his concern speech about the rest of us insulting his intelligence.
Comment by gummitch — December 27, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
I’m right there with you gummitch. I respect what missmolly has to say but could care less what ry81 things about it.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:43 pmPressed with hard questions and tricky math, Southern Man appears to have flown the coop.
Comment by gummitch — December 27, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
I think Southern Man lives in the coop. He is a chicken isn’t he?
December 27th, 2007 at 4:45 pmI think people find it often too easy to just go under the bar.
Jerk.
Comment by Wilco — December 27, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
Putz.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:45 pmtoasterhead asks “Show up at the interview with a copy of The Origin of Species?”
that or any other scientific writings written since oh, say, 300 AD.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:47 pmMy mother called me “putz” once.
Once!
December 27th, 2007 at 4:48 pmShayne, you may have JT confused with JTV, a concern troll of record…
Comment by RUCerious — December 27, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
Their voices may be stridently loud, but the reality is that there are (thank God) very few nuts that actually support this drivel. What a small, small, small number…
Comment by JT — December 27, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
RUC, I thought JT was a “regular troll” and isn’t he referring to the nuts that signed the petition?
December 27th, 2007 at 4:48 pmPersonally I think not responding to insulting trolls by insulting them back is just the kind of behavior that has Pelosi taking impeachment off the table. You can’t bring a knife to a gun fight.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:51 pmMy mother called me “putz†once.
Once!
Comment by Wilco — December 27, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
Are you sure she wasn’t just giving you anatomy lessons?
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 27, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
Well she didn’t say “little putz”.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:51 pmAll I remember of Romper Room is when she spoke kids names (I see Billy and Davy and Horatio…) but never mine…..
December 27th, 2007 at 4:51 pmWell she didn’t say “little putzâ€.
Comment by Shayne
Ouch. That’s just mean!
(did we used to date?)
December 27th, 2007 at 4:52 pmRUC, I thought JT was a “regular troll†and isn’t he referring to the nuts that signed the petition?
Comment by Shayne — December 27, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
I thought he was referring to the FrankMs./ Mebbe you’re right.??
December 27th, 2007 at 4:53 pmOops, Shayne, you’re right, as I went back and looked at other posts.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:55 pmSo I can add JT to the FrankM/JT/Hendler/Slag group noogie.
Oops, Shayne, you’re right, as I went back and looked at other posts.
So I can add JT to the FrankM/JT/Hendler/Slag group noogie.
Comment by RUCerious — December 27, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
Some kind of Wiki page might be a good idea. We could list all them and play around grouping them by probably sockpuppet status. The problem is they proliferate so rapidly it would be a huge chore to keep up.
All of which would be unnecessary if TP registered IP addresses, of course.
December 27th, 2007 at 4:59 pmgummitch, I’m concerned some elements here didn’t see the iron-ic humor in calling you a jerk.
December 27th, 2007 at 5:01 pmI hope you weren’t insulted.
and with that, me and my “infinitesimally teensy weensy little putz” are out of here
December 27th, 2007 at 5:03 pmtake care, everyone
141,387 The number of Americans who, as of 1:00 PM today, are having their mail read, internet usage recorded and their phones tapped without warrant under the “terrorist surveillance program” ;)
December 27th, 2007 at 5:07 pmRoger, wilco, and out!
December 27th, 2007 at 5:08 pm#9: I’ve debated this before and I still say that it’s trivial to generate fake e-mail accounts in bulk and use those to sign that petition automatically.
Comment by Frank M
You have never, in the entire time you have been stinking up this site, debated anyone. All you do is to throw out your opinions and for the most part, when asked to prove them, you take a hike. As far as I can tell, you have been right here exactly once.
And your assertion that it would be “trivial” to generate bulk e-mails to sign the petition automatically was thoroughly debunked the other day. You took a hike on that one when you realized you had lost the argument. Now you are back again acting like you won it. Typical Frank.
December 27th, 2007 at 5:11 pmWell she didn’t say “little putzâ€.
Comment by Shayne
Ouch. That’s just mean!
(did we used to date?)
Comment by Wilco — December 27, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
Why would we? (Just kidding Wilco)
December 27th, 2007 at 5:12 pmgummitch, I’m concerned some elements here didn’t see the iron-ic humor in calling you a jerk.
I hope you weren’t insulted.
Comment by Wilco — December 27, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
I thought it was a weight lifting reference but I can’t pass up an opportunity for a good insult. My bad.
December 27th, 2007 at 5:14 pmSorry for the remark on insulting my intelligent. It was not meant to be about anyone it was more the name calling that was anti-intelligence in general that was insulting and should be to anyone. If the purpose of this site it to have an intelligent dissussion, I really have no idea if it is or not, than name calling should not be allowed.
December 27th, 2007 at 5:14 pmIf the purpose of this site it to have an intelligent dissussion, I really have no idea if it is or not, than name calling should not be allowed.
Comment by ry81 — December 27, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
I believe we can leave the “moderating” to the moderators. M’kay.
December 27th, 2007 at 5:16 pmCome for the political discourse.
Stay for the wisecracks.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 27, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
And a pleasant pre-new year’s midweek to you Bartles!
December 27th, 2007 at 5:21 pmAs far as I can tell, [Frank M has] been right here exactly once.
Comment by bilbobaggins — December 27, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
Was that the time when he said the sky is blue?
No?
December 27th, 2007 at 5:21 pmBartles, may I suggest smashing the neck of the bottle on a hard surface, then guzzling like hell before the cuts on your mouth start hurting? No, just kidding, maybe you could smash it on Hendler’s head…?
December 27th, 2007 at 5:26 pmOf if he somehow manages to retain power, last year of us.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 27, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
That’s for goddamn sure. I wonder how many Blackwater operatives I’ll take out before they fill me with lead.
December 27th, 2007 at 5:27 pmHendler’s head is too soft to crack a bottle. Make that both of his heads.
December 27th, 2007 at 5:28 pmOne thing about Jason M. Hendler, who claims to be posting under his real name. He may well be, or at least has a consistent handle. It makes it easy to search on Google to determine that he also has a consistent opinionated and argumentative style regardless of topic. He even got into an argument with someone about gravity! Apparently, Hendler took offense that one of his “theories” was labeled crackpot. Heh.
December 27th, 2007 at 5:31 pmHendler’s Head sounds like a good title for a sitcom. It could be like Seinfeld, about nothing.
December 27th, 2007 at 5:33 pmMy favorite is that Hendler claims to have attended Stanford and believes it is an Ivy League school.
December 27th, 2007 at 5:33 pmgummitch, do you think it would freak Hendler out if I asked him if he was the Sarasota, Florida or the Scarsdale, NY Jason M. Hendler?
December 27th, 2007 at 5:35 pmMy favorite is the Urban Heat sinks…
December 27th, 2007 at 5:35 pmCaught the tail end of a roundtable on PBS yesterday discussing Bush’s orwellian NewSpeak and the concept of apathy in this country along with the why’s of it all. I’ve noticed that many americans actually don’t care about the truth in any given situation at all which is quite depressing; however, the level of Newspeak or DoubleSpeak which has been buffed up by the Bushitcos is enough to boggle the intellect of an average individual. That said, however, when it comes to impeachable crimes, many more ears begin to perk up and thus we are seeing the beginning of a groundswell of support for Wexler’s efforts.
Naturally, we all want to see justice done to this gang of thugs running things; however, I believe that the mere whisper of it now taking wing among mainstream media outlets and it’s concomittant reverberations nationwide have opened the firestorm of enhanced consciousness in this country. If it actually results in impeachment, that would certainly be a wonderful breath of fresh air for a country on it’s way down into the dark abyss of lawlessness and abortion of civil rights. If it does nothing more than raise our own consciousness via the discussions in corridors, streets, and hallways everywhere in this country, then we will become a more enlightened population.
The best outcome for Wexler’s call for impeachment (first Cheney and then Dumbya??) is that the rest of the globe will not view americans in the same disgusting light in which they view these criminals. “We” are not “them” and never shall be. If nothing else, this call by the people for the impeachment of an official guilty of horrendous crimes against this democracy will send the message loudly and clearly across this planet and perhaps we, as prisoners of this demented regime in Washington, can redeem our reputation in the eyes of the world.
December 27th, 2007 at 5:43 pmgummitch, do you think it would freak Hendler out if I asked him if he was the Sarasota, Florida or the Scarsdale, NY Jason M. Hendler?
Comment by RUCerious — December 27, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
Might be a violation of the rules here. Personal stuff.
Would suck to have you banned as a result of outing a troll.
December 27th, 2007 at 5:45 pmSo if I think you’re a mealy mouthed little crybaby turdweasel, I shouldn’t be allowed to express that?
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 27, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Nope — that one’s OK. It offends nobody else except your target (at least, until weasels manage to form their own advocacy groups).
But believe me, it’s much more satisfying to explain exactly WHY your target is a mealy mouthed little crybaby turdweasel, and as an added bonus, it gives your argument more punch. AND you don’t look like an elementary schooler.
December 27th, 2007 at 5:53 pmMy bad. I had the calculator set wrong, to the sixth decimal it looks like, and I didn’t convert when putting the numbers in. I was WRONG.
Comment by Southern Man — December 27, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
Tiny steps. Tiny steps.
December 27th, 2007 at 5:53 pmBut believe me, it’s much more satisfying to explain exactly WHY your target is a mealy mouthed little crybaby turdweasel, and as an added bonus, it gives your argument more punch. AND you don’t look like an elementary schooler.
Comment by missmolly — December 27, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
If your target has just spent several hours demonstrating that it is a mealy mouthed little crybaby turdweasel, it’s not always necessary to make a list. Ditto pompous fathead.
December 27th, 2007 at 5:54 pmThat’d be the Stanford Idaho School of Business Accounting and Taxidermy?
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 27, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
Well maybe, but it’s still not Ivy League. Sorry JJ.
December 27th, 2007 at 5:56 pmMy bad. I had the calculator set wrong, to the sixth decimal it looks like, and I didn’t convert when putting the numbers in. I was WRONG.
Comment by Southern Man — December 27, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
I think the calculater has issues not the calculator.
December 27th, 2007 at 5:57 pmI was WRONG.
Comment by Southern Man — December 27, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
This will be news if you ever get anything RIGHT. Otherwise we know you’re wrong.
December 27th, 2007 at 5:58 pmWould suck to have you banned as a result of outing a troll.
Comment by gummitch — December 27, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
Yeah, but he pretends to be a big bad boy, would like to see him squirm a little. I still contend my real name is Ragnar Ulysses Cerious.
December 27th, 2007 at 5:59 pmTheir voices may be stridently loud, but the reality is that there are (thank God) very few nuts that actually support this drivel. What a small, small, small number…
Comment by JT — December 27, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
I assume that the “drivel” you are talking about is the impeachment of Cheney? The number isn’t as small as you think, nor is it as small as you wish it to be.
According to the American Research Group poll cited by Wexler, 70% of Americans believe that Cheney has abused his office to some degree. Out of those degrees, 43% chose the most severe of the choices listed in the poll — that Cheney needs to be removed from office immediately.
That’s almost half of America wanting him to be impeached now, and almost three quarters at least leaning that way. Not exactly a “small, small, small number”…
But hey — if you’re happy in your denial, enjoy it.
December 27th, 2007 at 6:01 pmQuite big of you to fess up to your math mistake SM, have a happy happy hour. Then back to propping up your bozo chympresident.
December 27th, 2007 at 6:01 pmIf your target has just spent several hours demonstrating that it is a mealy mouthed little crybaby turdweasel, it’s not always necessary to make a list. Ditto pompous fathead.
Comment by gummitch — December 27, 2007 @ 5:54 pm
Jason M. Hendler has shown that he is the Head of the Association for Mealy Mouthed Little Crybaby Turdweasels and Pompous Fatheads. And if he’s insulted, who gives a rat’s ass. Wait I didn’t mean to insult rats by associated them with Jason M. Hendler. Sorry rats.
December 27th, 2007 at 6:01 pmI agree Missmolly. But what are Lefty Patriot and RepublicansHateFacts going to talk about. And I see that The Col is beginning to follow suit with them.
Comment by Southern Man — December 27, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
Don’t you have some remedial math homework to do Southern Man?
December 27th, 2007 at 6:03 pmYeah, but he pretends to be a big bad boy, would like to see him squirm a little. I still contend my real name is Ragnar Ulysses Cerious.
Comment by RUCerious — December 27, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
I always wondered about those initials. Nice to know, Ragnar.
What I really wondered about are the guys at work who always go by initials. I had a difficult time restraining myself from asking one guy what his wife called him in moments of passion. “Ohhhh, GB” just sounds weird.
December 27th, 2007 at 6:04 pmNo. It means that the intelligent arguments continue to fall on deaf ears, usually because the intelligence of the argument is above the ears of the idiot.
:|
So sometimes a little shock jock approach wakes up the dullest of wits.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 27, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
I concede there are some who can only understand and respond to playground taunts. They can’t handle anything more cerebral than that. You have a point.
December 27th, 2007 at 6:04 pmReally presenting intelligent arguments to Southern Man is as big a waste as buying Beluga caviar and Crystal champagne to give him. He’s more of a grits and insults kind of guy, why waste the good stuff.
December 27th, 2007 at 6:07 pmyeah, gummitch, it’s pretty wierd when my wife says, Oh RU! RU!
and I better reply, Not Yet!!!
December 27th, 2007 at 6:07 pmWait I didn’t mean to insult rats by associated them with Jason M. Hendler. Sorry rats.
Comment by Shayne — December 27, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
I don’t think rats are sensitive about their asses, Shayne. You’re probably fine.
December 27th, 2007 at 6:08 pmComment by RUCerious — December 27, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
Snort
December 27th, 2007 at 6:09 pmyeah, gummitch, it’s pretty wierd when my wife says, Oh RU! RU!
and I better reply, Not Yet!!!
Comment by RUCerious — December 27, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
What if she slips and says RUU? Then what?
December 27th, 2007 at 6:11 pmShayne, when in doubt, deny everything!
December 27th, 2007 at 6:12 pmOK, but back on topic.
Our FAILURE to impeach these criminals makes us look like spineless weasels to the rest of the planet.
December 27th, 2007 at 6:14 pmOur FAILURE to impeach these criminals makes us look like spineless weasels to the rest of the planet.
Comment by RUCerious — December 27, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
In addition to being a bunch of dumb, easily deceived hicks.
December 27th, 2007 at 6:17 pmGWB is sensitive about his ass, ask Gannon.
December 27th, 2007 at 6:22 pmOur FAILURE to impeach these criminals makes us look like spineless weasels to the rest of the planet.
Comment by RUCerious — December 27, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
It also makes it appear that we are complicit in their crimes.
December 27th, 2007 at 6:22 pmFor example, we all believe that our emails are being read and our phone calls are being listened to. Put that notion into the minds of the slightly fearful and they would be afraid to sign a petition to impeach Cheney or even answer a poll honestly. Who knows what the real numbers are when the administration is ruling through intimidation.
December 27th, 2007 at 6:22 pmPete & Shayne: Fear is the ultimate human crippler. The Bush Fear agenda (war on terror - holy smokes! If that isn’t the ultimate nightmare phraseology - guess these neofascists stayed up late at night to concoct that one!) has crippled people’s sense of true patriotism, reducing some of us into a heap of trembling paranoia. I say “some of us” because it’s clear that those of us who take the time to “fight for truth” on these blogs are not numbered among that writhing morass of squirming AND COMPLICIT eels. Of course, this excludes our imbecilic trolls whose main purpose of existence is to spew drivel and reichwing nutjob talking points.
December 27th, 2007 at 7:05 pmHowever, in viewing the opposite side of the coin regarding the positives of troll blather, lookey here! This thread is now 237 posts long. Perhaps these same blathering trolls help to keep TP in business? Or at least considered one of the top political blogs. In playing the devil’s advocate, perhaps these trolls are, indeed, “paid operatives”…..but the question remains: Paid by whom?
December 27th, 2007 at 7:07 pmBartlebee: The reason Congress is afraid to stand up to Bush is because they know that Bush’s illegal spy program got plenty of “goods” on every last one of them. Why do you think they’d knuckle under and concede so spinelessly?
December 27th, 2007 at 7:09 pmImpeach Chaney and take the heat off the decision maker George Bush?
What a waste of time.