Comments on: Stevens: Cost Of Iraq, Afghanistan And The War On Terror ‘Is Approaching $15 Billion A Month’ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:32:44 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: old_hack http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/comment-page-4/#comment-4208609 old_hack Sun, 30 Dec 2007 04:14:03 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/#comment-4208609 yea quit spending money on the war he needs money for his bridge to no where and home renovations! yea quit spending money on the war he needs money for his bridge to no where and home renovations!

]]> By: brently http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/comment-page-4/#comment-4207846 brently Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:37:32 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/#comment-4207846 Want to know why she was assasinated? Here it is. http://www.dailypaul.com/node/17925 If you still think the war on terror is legitimate, you need to have your head checked! Want to know why she was assasinated? Here it is. http://www.dailypaul.com/node/17925 If you still think the war on terror is legitimate, you need to have your head checked!

]]> By: Big Dan http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/comment-page-4/#comment-4207525 Big Dan Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:14:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/#comment-4207525 I guess "conservatism" does work...in "theory"...like "communism" works "in theory"! I guess “conservatism” does work…in “theory”…like “communism” works “in theory”!

]]> By: Big Dan http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/comment-page-4/#comment-4207520 Big Dan Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:12:50 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/#comment-4207520 Who would've thunk that TERRORISM killed CONSERVATISM? Conservatism is now proven to be a very weak philosophy, if something like Terrorism can defeat it! Whenever the Republicans are pointed out to be betraying Conservatism, they say, "Things changed since 9/11"! Doesn't that mean Conservatism is a lousy philosophy, if it can't withstand everything? If you "throw it out the window" because of 9/11-Terrorism? "We have a huge deficit because of 9/11!!! Waaaaah, waaaaah, waaaah! We're not betraying Conservatism! If 9/11 didn't happen, we woulda shown ya'z all!!!" Conservatism was easily defeated by Terrorism! "We have to spy on you because of 9/11!!!!! We have to have Big Government, but we wouldn't have, if it wasn't for 9/11!!! THEREFORE, CONSERVATISM WAS ALWAYS BULLSHIT! SNAKE-OIL!!!! IF IT COULDN'T WITHSTAND ANY HEAT!!!!!!!!!! Who would’ve thunk that TERRORISM killed CONSERVATISM? Conservatism is now proven to be a very weak philosophy, if something like Terrorism can defeat it!

Whenever the Republicans are pointed out to be betraying Conservatism, they say, “Things changed since 9/11″!

Doesn’t that mean Conservatism is a lousy philosophy, if it can’t withstand everything? If you “throw it out the window” because of 9/11-Terrorism?

“We have a huge deficit because of 9/11!!! Waaaaah, waaaaah, waaaah! We’re not betraying Conservatism! If 9/11 didn’t happen, we woulda shown ya’z all!!!”

Conservatism was easily defeated by Terrorism!

“We have to spy on you because of 9/11!!!!! We have to have Big Government, but we wouldn’t have, if it wasn’t for 9/11!!!

THEREFORE, CONSERVATISM WAS ALWAYS BULLSHIT! SNAKE-OIL!!!! IF IT COULDN’T WITHSTAND ANY HEAT!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: questioneverything http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/comment-page-4/#comment-4207061 questioneverything Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:49:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/#comment-4207061 Could someone please find out how much of the money you and I are paying for these atrocities is going to private killers and trolls that show up here and at other sites to spread their nonsense? Rove has his own private armies and many of you will obviously say anything for a buck. Could someone please find out how much of the money you and I are paying for these atrocities is going to private killers and trolls that show up here and at other sites to spread their nonsense? Rove has his own private armies and many of you will obviously say anything for a buck.

]]> By: maxamillion http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/comment-page-4/#comment-4206999 maxamillion Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:56:10 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/#comment-4206999 What the hell is this idiot crying about it was his party who put America in the F*&^%$# mess to begin with!!!! What the hell is this idiot crying about it was his party who put America in the F*&^%$# mess to begin with!!!!

]]> By: Sabyen91 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/comment-page-4/#comment-4206932 Sabyen91 Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:57:02 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/#comment-4206932 Pete, be fair!!!! They are ok with spending money forcing brown people to birth more brown people (I am thinking they might rethink that once they see the numbers on abortions by race). I hear they are worried about white people not reproducing enough. Pete, be fair!!!! They are ok with spending money forcing brown people to birth more brown people (I am thinking they might rethink that once they see the numbers on abortions by race). I hear they are worried about white people not reproducing enough.

]]> By: pete http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/comment-page-4/#comment-4206930 pete Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:53:05 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/#comment-4206930 Comment by Chris T — December 27, 2007 @ 11:31 pm The problem is that the 24%ers approve of tax dollars being spent to kill people. Especially "brown people". Yet, if one earmarks tax dollars to help people? The 24%ers scream "bloody murder"! Comment by Chris T — December 27, 2007 @ 11:31 pm

The problem is that the 24%ers approve of tax dollars being spent to kill people. Especially “brown people”. Yet, if one earmarks tax dollars to help people? The 24%ers scream “bloody murder”!

]]> By: Sabyen91 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/comment-page-4/#comment-4206922 Sabyen91 Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:36:50 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/#comment-4206922 I think Stevens is talking about the huge amounts of money spent for the Iraq war so people will think, what the hell, the bridge to nowhere is pennies!!! I think Stevens is talking about the huge amounts of money spent for the Iraq war so people will think, what the hell, the bridge to nowhere is pennies!!!

]]> By: Chris T http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/comment-page-4/#comment-4206826 Chris T Fri, 28 Dec 2007 04:31:41 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/#comment-4206826 I read something on another blog about how to prevent future illegal, unneccesary and incompetently run wars. Any time some idiot politician puts forth a resolution for war an automatic 5 or 10% tax increase goes into effect. I don't know how to go about getting this started but it sounds like a hell of an idea to me. Taxes on greedy republicans = No More War. And even if it was a neccesary war ( if there is truly such a thing) we would all share some of the sacrifice. I read something on another blog about how to prevent future illegal, unneccesary and incompetently run wars. Any time some idiot politician puts forth a resolution for war an automatic 5 or 10% tax increase goes into effect. I don’t know how to go about getting this started but it sounds like a hell of an idea to me. Taxes on greedy republicans = No More War. And even if it was a neccesary war ( if there is truly such a thing) we would all share some of the sacrifice.

]]> By: pete http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/comment-page-4/#comment-4206588 pete Thu, 27 Dec 2007 23:17:25 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/#comment-4206588 Can we dispense with the insane comparisons between WW2 and the "GWOT"? Once more, for the slow of mind, the nation of Japan committed their military to an attack on us, China, the Philippines, Java, Malaysia, and a host of others. After the attack on Pearl Harbor (BTW, do our trolls know that the Japanese military believed we would take our lumps and allow them to seize whatever territory they desired? They were shocked we chose to fight.) Germany and Italy declared war on us. Even before these events, the entirety of the unconquered world (not to mention those already conquered.) was begging us to intervene. WW2 was fought between nations. The "GWOT" is being "fought" against criminals. Most of those criminals have no nation and operate in lawless regions. They are as despised by the societies which spawned them as they are by us. Can we dispense with the insane comparisons between WW2 and the “GWOT”?

Once more, for the slow of mind, the nation of Japan committed their military to an attack on us, China, the Philippines, Java, Malaysia, and a host of others. After the attack on Pearl Harbor (BTW, do our trolls know that the Japanese military believed we would take our lumps and allow them to seize whatever territory they desired? They were shocked we chose to fight.) Germany and Italy declared war on us.

Even before these events, the entirety of the unconquered world (not to mention those already conquered.) was begging us to intervene. WW2 was fought between nations. The “GWOT” is being “fought” against criminals. Most of those criminals have no nation and operate in lawless regions. They are as despised by the societies which spawned them as they are by us.

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/comment-page-4/#comment-4206502 RUCerious Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:38:19 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/#comment-4206502 I'd really like to see the trolls admit that since they are 30%ers, they should pick up 70% of the war cost, and donate that money to the treasury. I’d really like to see the trolls admit that since they are 30%ers, they should pick up 70% of the war cost, and donate that money to the treasury.

]]> By: bilbobaggins http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/comment-page-4/#comment-4206418 bilbobaggins Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:52:43 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/#comment-4206418 <em>I was disappointed that a few here berated CaptainMantastic when he conceded some points. No one is right all the time and sometimes it takes working through many different positions to find the best solution. The problem we face as a nation belongs to ALL of us and we need to start working together. Comment by DanCaveman</em> I suspect the problem is that most people here don't believe that the captain has converted his position. I suspect that he is trying to "make nice" so that we will stop flagging him. If I see a change in the attitude of his postings, I am more than willing to admit I was wrong. But, until I see some real change, other than "ok, you changed my mind", I'll withhold the "atta-boys". I was disappointed that a few here berated CaptainMantastic when he conceded some points. No one is right all the time and sometimes it takes working through many different positions to find the best solution. The problem we face as a nation belongs to ALL of us and we need to start working together.
Comment by DanCaveman

I suspect the problem is that most people here don’t believe that the captain has converted his position. I suspect that he is trying to “make nice” so that we will stop flagging him. If I see a change in the attitude of his postings, I am more than willing to admit I was wrong. But, until I see some real change, other than “ok, you changed my mind”, I’ll withhold the “atta-boys”.

]]> By: Keith H. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/comment-page-4/#comment-4206314 Keith H. Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:13:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/#comment-4206314 Yep, their 'pearl harbor moment' is really paying off for them now. Oh, but they had no idea . . . . it was coming . . . or that wmds in Iraq was a lie. No one wants to believe their government would do such a thing. They are known to lie about everything, including wmds in Iraq. Why wouldn't they lie about their knowledge of, or participation in, a 'terrah-ist attack'? If you don't think they're capable, have a look around at what they've been doing. They don't care about human life, unless they are a contributor. For them, people's lives are expendable. Just a tool for them to use. Why do you suppose there is no impeachment? There has to be something so huge that has everyone lassoed. Something that encompassing can't stay hidden forever. Watch out Nancy, there may come a day when you won't be under control. Yep, their ‘pearl harbor moment’ is really paying off for them now.

Oh, but they had no idea . . . . it was coming . . . or that wmds in Iraq was a lie.
No one wants to believe their government would do such a thing.
They are known to lie about everything, including wmds in Iraq.
Why wouldn’t they lie about their knowledge of, or participation in, a ‘terrah-ist attack’? If you don’t think they’re capable, have a look around at what they’ve
been doing. They don’t care about human life, unless they are a contributor.
For them, people’s lives are expendable. Just a tool for them to use.
Why do you suppose there is no impeachment?
There has to be something so huge that has everyone lassoed.
Something that encompassing can’t stay hidden forever.
Watch out Nancy, there may come a day when you won’t be under control.

]]> By: StratRat http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/comment-page-4/#comment-4206231 StratRat Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:04:50 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/#comment-4206231 <em>Just how does one lose track of billions? Comment by texaslady</em> Very easy: By allowing the criminal enterprise known as bushco to manage it. BTW, I seriously doubt the money is just "gone". It may not have ended up where it was intended, but it is not gone. My guess is that all the major players in the money mix have set up hundreds of sham companies, all vying for the same bunch of dollars. We being bankrupt and we do not know why? That should be a problem for most reporters, no? All I hear is silence. Just how does one lose track of billions?

Comment by texaslady

Very easy: By allowing the criminal enterprise known as bushco to manage it.

BTW, I seriously doubt the money is just “gone”. It may not have ended up where it was intended, but it is not gone. My guess is that all the major players in the money mix have set up hundreds of sham companies, all vying for the same bunch of dollars.

We being bankrupt and we do not know why? That should be a problem for most reporters, no? All I hear is silence.

]]> By: Shayne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/comment-page-4/#comment-4206222 Shayne Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:56:32 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/#comment-4206222 The ignorance in Frank M’s posts is just breathtaking. Comment by ralph the wonder llama — December 27, 2007 @ 2:09 pm Or gag inducing. The ignorance in Frank M’s posts is just breathtaking.

Comment by ralph the wonder llama — December 27, 2007 @ 2:09 pm

Or gag inducing.

]]> By: Shayne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/comment-page-4/#comment-4206220 Shayne Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:55:03 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/#comment-4206220 You really think we’re that dependent on foreign investment? Nonsense. We’re the strongest economy in the world. Comment by Frank M — December 27, 2007 @ 2:04 Rank knows this is true because Limbaugh and O'Reilly told him so. You really think we’re that dependent on foreign investment? Nonsense. We’re the strongest economy in the world.

Comment by Frank M — December 27, 2007 @ 2:04

Rank knows this is true because Limbaugh and O’Reilly told him so.

]]> By: DanCaveman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/comment-page-4/#comment-4206217 DanCaveman Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:52:06 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/#comment-4206217 Frank M is just ridiculous and is just having a good laugh at our expense (and that of the country), or is extremely ignorant on every issue. His comments clearly show a lack of any understanding of how our economy works and no desire to learn. Frank M is just ridiculous and is just having a good laugh at our expense (and that of the country), or is extremely ignorant on every issue. His comments clearly show a lack of any understanding of how our economy works and no desire to learn.

]]> By: texaslady http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/comment-page-4/#comment-4206215 texaslady Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:51:29 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/#comment-4206215 Anyone who has never witnessed a city or state going through a recession or depression can be excused of being naive. Frank cannot imagine absolutely no jobs anywhere. Unfortunately there are more Franks out there than people with common sense. Anyone who has never witnessed a city or state going through a recession or depression can be excused of being naive. Frank cannot imagine absolutely no jobs anywhere. Unfortunately there are more Franks out there than people with common sense.

]]> By: DanCaveman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/comment-page-4/#comment-4206211 DanCaveman Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:49:41 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/27/stevens-15-billion/#comment-4206211 <blockquote><em>Comment by RUCerious — December 27, 2007 @ 2:41 pm</em></blockquote> He is also on his way to understanding the need for a draft if we choose to continue this "war". Whether he is "putting us on" or not, we have to assume that he is not, lest we become like those we hate that demonize for the sake of demonizing someone. Like the right assuming that my concern is not genuine and that, for some reason I have yet to have someone explain to me, I want to see the US fail. At a very minimum, CaptainMantastic stuck to the issues and was willing to engage the topics at hand, instead of willfully misdirecting and clouding the issues to avoid the real facts.

Comment by RUCerious — December 27, 2007 @ 2:41 pm

He is also on his way to understanding the need for a draft if we choose to continue this “war”. Whether he is “putting us on” or not, we have to assume that he is not, lest we become like those we hate that demonize for the sake of demonizing someone. Like the right assuming that my concern is not genuine and that, for some reason I have yet to have someone explain to me, I want to see the US fail.

At a very minimum, CaptainMantastic stuck to the issues and was willing to engage the topics at hand, instead of willfully misdirecting and clouding the issues to avoid the real facts.

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