http://www.infowars.com/articles/world/pakistan_bhutto_said_osama_bin_laden_was_dead.htm

http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2007/12/another-washington-failure.html

snippet:
“The fact is that she was parachuted in by Washington in order to win a rigged election in a country where just about every power group absolutely hated her, a recipe for disaster. It is not so much a question of who killed her, but who got the first opportunity to succeed.”

willyloman – see my post #105 in the huckabee thread (I know, I got off thread there – can I blame you? – but this whole Bhutto thing is way more interesting than Huckabee!)

So your comment about “a country full of little brown people” was a pigment of my imagination, I guess.

She named three people she thought were behind it and said she had told Musharref that she intended to get Scotland Yard’s help with an investigation…

She also said one of the people she suspected aided Omar Sheikh, “the man who murdered Osama bin Laden”.

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/bhutto-names-obl-murderer-and-gives-motive-for-her-asssasination/

Show me where I said anything about Bhutto being “forcefullly manipulated”. Please don’t put words in my mouth.

I said that she was “pushed” into returning to Pakistan. Pushed by a possibly desperate U.S.. As in desperate to maintain U.S. control over events in Pakistan. Did you read my link?

Here’s another quote from it to help you out:
“Bhutto’s political comeback was a long time in the works — and uncertain for much of the past 18 months. In mid-2006, Bhutto and Musharraf started communicating through intermediaries about how they might cooperate. Assistant Secretary of State Richard A. Boucher was often an intermediary, traveling to Islamabad to speak with Musharraf and to Bhutto’s homes in London and Dubai to meet with her.

Under U.S. urging, Bhutto and Musharraf met face to face in January and July in Dubai, according to U.S. officials. It was not a warm exchange, with Musharraf resisting a deal to drop corruption charges so she could return to Pakistan. He made no secret of his feelings.”

My point is that claiming that Bhutto was forcefully manipulated by the U.S. is to ignore the fact that Bhutto seemed pretty happy doing her political ‘thing’ back in Pakistan. She didn’t seem to be wearing a campaign face that said, “I don’t want to be here”.

Bhutto had the resources to live at ease yet she chose to inject herself back into the political scene, probably because she has been there before and liked the job. She wasn’t exactly a paragon of political honesty either, no matter how much the west tried to portray her as such.

Then again the U.S. doesn’t have nightly mass- car torchings such as developed France enjoys omnipresent surveillance cameras such as those in developed Britain.

Agreed, therefore your racist description of Pakistan is out of line.

No race was mentioned, merely a comment about the corruption and chaos which exists in the Pakistani government and the country in general.

Another hint for you: next time you decide to make a claim of racial bias, at least have a relevant example to back you up, one that isn’t based on personal opinion.

So, if Al Qaeda was behind it does that mean they are more comfortable with Musharraf in power?

That kind of makes sense considering that after signing that treaty with the tribal leaders in western Pakistan agreeing not to send his troops in to search for Al Qaeda he is for all intensive purposes sheltering Al Qaeda.

The question now is: when will our government stop sending Musharraf’s government money?

Comment by Lobishomen — December 28, 2007 @ 1:21 pm

And you point is? Are you saying that the urge to wield political power is what allowed her to be manipulated by the U.S.?

Fact: not in any developed country as much as in the US.

Regardless of the crimes which occur in the U.S., their territorial integrity hasn’t been ceded to violent, untouchable, clannish elements of society.

Agreed, therefore your racist description of Pakistan is out of line.

Bhutto was a rich woman living a life of ease in europe, if she didn’t feel the pull of political power she could have easily decided against returning to Pakistan. She knew of that power once, perhaps she wanted some of it back again.

Hint: that happens in other countries too, though I must say your example isn’t relevant. Regardless of the crimes which occur in the U.S., their territorial integrity hasn’t been ceded to violent, untouchable, clannish elements of society.

Sounds like your “messy” country where kids shoot themselves at schools.

Link here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22414361/

“For Benazir Bhutto, the decision to return to Pakistan was sealed during a telephone call from Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice just a week before Bhutto flew home in October. The call culminated more than a year of secret diplomacy — and came only when it became clear that the heir to Pakistan’s most powerful political dynasty was the only one who could bail out Washington’s key ally in the battle against terrorism.”

Or maybe just STFU about who has and who hasn’t.