New York Times To Hire Bill Kristol As Weekly Columnist
New York Times To Hire Bill Kristol As Weekly Columnist
The Huffington Post reports that neoconservative columnist and Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol will be joining the New York Times as a columnist:
[I]n a move bound to create controversy, the New York Times is set to announce that Bill Kristol will become a weekly columnist in 2008.
Kristol, a prominent neo-conservative who recently departed Time magazine in what was reported as a “mutual” decision, has close ties to the White House and is a well-known proponent of the war in Iraq. Kristol also is a regular contributor to Fox News’ Special Report with Brit Hume.
Kristol’s lies, distortions, and hawkish proposals are notorious. A sampling of the views that New York Times readers may now be reading on a weekly basis:
– Iran halting its nuclear weapons program is “another feather in the cap for Iraq invasion.”
– The U.S. should “put everything” behind Iraq escalation so we can bomb Iran and Syria.
– Markos Moulitsas is the “left-wing blogger who was not respectable three or four years ago.”
– “Sober, serious” people want over 100,000 troops in Iraq when Bush leaves office.
– Let’s “stretch our Army and Marines” for “another year or so” in Iraq.
– A presidential pardon for Scooter Libby would remove the “cloud hanging over his White House and over the war.”
– College men are “very happy” that Plan B will now be sold over-the-counter because they can have “a wild night” and “the burden is off them.”
– On SCHIP veto: “I’m happy that the President’s willing to do something bad for the kids. ”
– Al Gore “got the Nobel Peace Prize for bloviating about global warming.”
No word on whether the Times will follow Newsweek and “balance” Kristol with a progressive columnist.
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Wow, and we all though the Jayson Blair and Judith Miller fiascos were bad. The NY Times is nothing but bird cage liner from here on out.
December 28th, 2007 at 8:41 pmObviously, the ability to pull things straight out of your ass for hours on end is a marketable commodity, IYAR.
December 28th, 2007 at 8:44 pmNot exactly a worthy replacement for the Murderer's Row spot of William Safire. Frank Rich should write an op-ed on his new colleague.
December 28th, 2007 at 8:47 pmIn OTHER rightwing NUTJOB news, Mike "Fukc da Huck" Huckabee shoots over the heads of reporters during a hunt.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/12/28/huckabee-jokes-about-cheney-hunting-incident-then-fires-over-heads-of-press/
Yeah, THERE'S a good NUTJOB!
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 28th, 2007 at 8:51 pmAll I can do is ask, "Why?" This Kristol guy has been dead wrong more times than Cheney, and is truly a heartless warmonger who doesn't care one bit about all of the dead and wounded US and Iraqis caused by his arrogant and immoral war in Iraq. He is part of the very amoral, and unchristian disgusting ilk that is the main problem of Washington DC.
If this is true that the NY Times is hiring him, I'll be the first to cancel my nytimes.com paid subscription. It's a free market, after all.
December 28th, 2007 at 8:51 pmWorthless suck up Kristol should be cleaning toilets in public restrooms for his GOP "friends".
December 28th, 2007 at 9:03 pmNew York Times To Hire Bill Kristol As Weekly Columnist
December 28th, 2007 at 9:07 pmFor humor and laughs?
The Time will balance Kristol with Sean Hannity.
December 28th, 2007 at 9:08 pmActually Kristol is a total moron but not completely worthless. Based on his record, we can ask him what he thinks and do the exact opposite in complete confidence.
December 28th, 2007 at 9:08 pmI can think of a thousand people more deserving.
Greg Palast, Glenn Greenwald, David Sirota, P M Carpenter, Bob Cesca, Antonia Juhasz, Mark Crispin Miller, Juan Cole.
...Just to name a few.
December 28th, 2007 at 9:08 pmOh well -- they still have Krugman.
December 28th, 2007 at 9:10 pmNothing fails upward like a sleazy neo-con hack.
-GSD
December 28th, 2007 at 9:10 pmWhy are they hiring Kristol? Are they discontinuing Mallard Fillmore?
-GSD
December 28th, 2007 at 9:11 pmWhen the history of this era is written it'll be revealed that the NY Times hiring Kristol was little different from the neighborhood restaurant hiring the mobster's son.
Because. They. Had. To.
December 28th, 2007 at 9:14 pmDamn. Too bad I had already canceled my Times sub a few months back. Now I'm going to have to resort to an angry letter.
December 28th, 2007 at 9:14 pm“You could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month.â€
- CIA operative discussing with Philip Graham, editor Washington Post, on the availability and prices of journalists willing to peddle CIA propaganda and cover stories.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ RANCHO/ POLITICS/ MOCK/ mockingbird.html
December 28th, 2007 at 9:16 pmI guess the NYT wasn't finished losing subscribers.
December 28th, 2007 at 9:17 pm“By the early 1950s…(the State Dept.) owned respected members of the New York Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communications vehicles, plus stringers, four to six hundred in all, according to a former CIA analyst….Early MOCKINGBIRD influenced 25 newspapers and wire agencies consenting to act as organs of CIA propaganda.â€
- former Village Voice Reporter Deborah Davis commenting on the CIA Program Operation Mockingbird to infiltrate the media
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ RANCHO/ POLITICS/ MOCK/ mockingbird.html
December 28th, 2007 at 9:17 pmI can't believe the greasy sh!t-stain (my little pet name for Bloody Bill) has found another forum.
December 28th, 2007 at 9:21 pmMy letter to the NY Times, just sent:
I've just learned that the NY Times, which I have always considered to be one of the finest journals on the planet, has committed to a weekly column from Bill Kristol. I want to make a formal commitment to you that I will never, ever, buy another issue of the newspaper, I will never again be a subscriber to your newspaper and I will do my level best to avoid any purchases from any NY Times advertiser. Bill Kristol is not only fundamentally dishonest and devoid of worthwhile opinion, he has been consistently and demonstrably wrong on all of the major issues that have faced this country over the last seven years. Every prognostication has been wrong, and not only wrong but 180 degrees from reality. Nothing that he has written during this period has provided any indication that he is capable of learning from experience or correcting his predictions and opinions based on reality. He has never acknowledged his error or apologized for how hideously wrong he has been, particularly where it concerns the so-called war on terror, the Bush administration or the occupation of Iraq. The fact that the NY Times would countenance his bloviations and offer him a platform for which to continue them, to offer the imprimatur of the NY Times for his opinions, disgusts me beyond belief.
This is not a matter of providing an opportunity in the newspaper for "conservatives" to express their opinion, this is a matter of the NY Times providing a stamp of approval for one of the least-qualified and most dishonest of modern political pundits -- or perhaps "operatives" is a better word. You should all be ashamed. Deeply ashamed.
December 28th, 2007 at 9:25 pmNeoconservatism is a mental illness. It originated from a man named Leo Strauss. Straussianism was brought to America by Bill Kristol’s father Irving.
Straussians believe in two things: (1) The “Noble Lie†and (2) You and I need Kings to make decisions for us because we are too stupid.
Strauss,…believed in the inherent inequality of humanity. Most people, he taught, are too stupid to make informed decisions about their political affairs. Elite philosophers must decide on affairs of state for us. Strauss believed that allowing citizens to govern themselves will lead, inevitably, to terror and tyranny, as the Weimar Republic succumbed to the Nazis in the 1930s.
A ruling elite of political philosophers must make those decisions because it is the only group smart enough. And it must resort to deception — Strauss’s “noble lie†— to protect citizens from themselves. The elite must hide the truth from the public by writing in code. Using metaphors and cryptic language, philosophers communicated one message for the elite, and another message for “the unsophisticated general populationâ€.
For Strauss, the art of concealment and secrecy was among the greatest legacies of antiquity.
December 28th, 2007 at 9:32 pmever more government control.
This blog is a joke.
Comment by Fairy Duster — December 28, 2007 @ 8:49 pm
Like those entitlements to the military industrial complex and oil companies don't cost? The joke is on you dumb assed 24% brain washed, bottom feeding, knuckle dragging, troglodytes who listen to a sh!t for brains loser like this lying sack of garbage. Kristol has not been right about anything in the past six years.
December 28th, 2007 at 9:36 pmWhy are they hiring Kristol? Are they discontinuing Mallard Fillmore?
-GSD
Comment by GSD — December 28, 2007 @ 9:11 pm
Trading one quack for another?
December 28th, 2007 at 9:45 pmSo the NYT is now opting for Yellow Journalism?
December 28th, 2007 at 9:54 pmIs fairy duster still twinkling around, throwing his fairy ideas out as if they were relevant? Back to the closet, little larry craig.
December 28th, 2007 at 9:59 pmComment by gummitch — December 28, 2007 @ 9:25 pm
Great letter, gummitch.
December 28th, 2007 at 10:01 pmGawd, can you even post the entire statement from these quotes?
Kristol said: †Young college men have told him that they are “very happy†that Plan B will now be sold over-the-counter because they can have “a wild night†and “the burden is off them….and I dont think that is a very good thing for the country.â€
This blog is a joke.
Comment by Fairy Duster
Gee, you mean he's not really a Zionist PIG intent on getting the US into yet another pointless war, in order to further Israel's security needs?
December 28th, 2007 at 10:02 pmThat's a stupid f_cking Fairy.
December 28th, 2007 at 10:02 pmNeoconservatism is a mental illness. It originated from a man named Leo Strauss. Straussianism was brought to America by Bill Kristol’s father Irving.
Straussians believe in two things: (1) The “Noble Lie†and (2) You and I need Kings to make decisions for us because we are too stupid.
Strauss,…believed in the inherent inequality of humanity. Most people, he taught, are too stupid to make informed decisions about their political affairs. Elite philosophers must decide on affairs of state for us. Strauss believed that allowing citizens to govern themselves will lead, inevitably, to terror and tyranny, as the Weimar Republic succumbed to the Nazis in the 1930s.
A ruling elite of political philosophers must make those decisions because it is the only group smart enough. And it must resort to deception — Strauss’s “noble lie†— to protect citizens from themselves. The elite must hide the truth from the public by writing in code. Using metaphors and cryptic language, philosophers communicated one message for the elite, and another message for “the unsophisticated general populationâ€.
For Strauss, the art of concealment and secrecy was among the greatest legacies of antiquity.
Comment by 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda
Strangely, 90% of the Neocons just happen to be Jewish-Israeli-First-Zionist-Pigs, who's main goal seems to be duping stupid Americans into spending billions of their tax dollars, and thousands of their sons and daughters lives, all for the sake of Israel's security and expansionism.
December 28th, 2007 at 10:07 pmThis blog is a joke.
Comment by Fairy Duster — December 28, 2007 @ 8:49 pm
This commenter doesn't even reach the level of a joke. Fairy Dust is a small, wet fart.
December 28th, 2007 at 10:07 pmThis blog is a joke.
Comment by Fairy Duster — December 28, 2007 @ 8:49 pm
Then why is everybody laughing at your stupidity?
December 28th, 2007 at 10:09 pmMy letter to the NY Times, just sent:
I’ve just learned that the NY Times, which I have always considered to be one of the finest journals on the planet
Comment by gummitch
Allowing a Zionist PIG like Judith Millar to aid in lying the United States into a pointless war, all for the sake of Israel, made them "one of the finest journals on the planet"?
You're kidding... right?
This is just one, in a LONG line of indiscretions, that that Zionist rag has made.
December 28th, 2007 at 10:10 pmMy letter just sent to the NYT:
Dear Editor,
I just read that the NYT was going to hire Bill Kristol as weekly columnist.
Please say it isn’t so. Kristol is not a serious journalist....he is merely a very wealthy pundit with political pull who repeatedly gets his facts WRONG, whilst his innuendo is so deranged (or bizarrly RIGHT) one gets a crick in ones neck. I didn’t realize that things were so bad for the NYT that you thought you had to reduce yourself to yellow journalism. Why not hire someone like Juan Cole: an expert…rather than a pundit?
December 28th, 2007 at 10:13 pmWhen a clueless sh*thead Republican like Kristol gets a job he's not qualified to handle is it the "Peterless Principle"?
December 28th, 2007 at 10:13 pmThe NYT wants him on board to raise their stock price among daCons, so when Murdy comes knockin', they are worth more.
December 28th, 2007 at 10:16 pm“Peterless Principleâ€
Comment by Shayne — December 28, 2007 @ 10:13 pm
**snort**
December 28th, 2007 at 10:20 pmKristol is a propagandist.
December 28th, 2007 at 10:23 pmBill Kristol at Time, at the NY Times, and a regular on the MSM spewing talk shows...because its important to US corporate media to undermine rational thought with sociopathic narcissism and sadism.
December 28th, 2007 at 10:35 pm.
I dont find this guy respectable.
December 28th, 2007 at 10:36 pmNever has a man who has been so wrong been promoted so high... unless you count GW Bush.
December 28th, 2007 at 10:40 pmOther than Krugman and Herbert there has been NOTHING worth reading in the NY Times for, for many years. Giving that sack of fetid vomit Kristol another megaphone to spew his lies and sadism is yet another reason not to give the NY Times another chance.
December 28th, 2007 at 10:40 pm.
Never has a man who has been so wrong been promoted so high… unless you count GW Bush.
Comment by LibertyLover
Everybody here seems to be of the mistaken opinion that Kristol has no idea what he's doing.
He's extremely smart, and he knows EXACTLY what he's doing.
He's helped to trick the American populace, into spending billions of their tax dollars and giving away thousands of their sons and daughters lives, all for the sake of Israeli security.
If you ask me, it the American populace that are the stupid ones.
December 28th, 2007 at 10:52 pmComment by 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda — December 28, 2007 @ 9:32 pm
Actually I agree with Strauss in theory. The reality is that most Americans don't care much for politics and have no clue what is going on beyong sound bites from the TV news or late night comedians. The problem is that philosophers and intellectuals aren't making the political decisions - greedy capitalistic idiots are.
I'd love to live in a country governed by philosophers and true intellectuals instead of fear mongering thieves elected by ignorant bigots.
December 28th, 2007 at 10:59 pmGOOD BYE NY TIMES! I WON'T BE SEING YOU AGAIN UNTIL YOU GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER!
December 28th, 2007 at 11:04 pmComment by gummitch — December 28, 2007 @ 9:25 pm
IT IS ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO READ ARGUMENT WITH SUBSTANCE! I'M WITH YOU TOO! BYE-BYE NY TIMES!
December 28th, 2007 at 11:07 pmi f@#$$^&&^^ing give up.
December 28th, 2007 at 11:10 pmThe name of the new NYT column will be:
Wrong every time, by the Kristol Ball
December 28th, 2007 at 11:23 pmhttp://oldhacks.blogspot.com/2007/12/i-may-very-well-die.html
MY DOCTOR IS TRYING TO KILL ME
PLEASE EMAIL MICHAEL MOORE FOR ME PLEASE
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December 28th, 2007 at 11:30 pmTP at night = **crickets**** chirp*******
December 28th, 2007 at 11:43 pmRU! I'm watching the first season of Dexter on the DVD and drinking good booze. Fkabuncha trolls!
December 28th, 2007 at 11:50 pmRU, I left a question for you on the Huckabee thread on the Zoo. :)
December 28th, 2007 at 11:57 pmPet birds of the few left, will be so happy to do do on bloody bill.
December 28th, 2007 at 11:58 pmYou have to give us a better description than "good booze" gummitch. That doesn't exactly get taste buds pumping.
December 28th, 2007 at 11:58 pmSorry. First there was a Negroni, built from Antica Formula, Aviation Gin and Campari. Then something called an Income Tax Cocktail, a recipe from the 30s or 40s, made with fresh-squeezed orange juice, gin, dry vermouth, sweeth vermouth and Fee Brothers Old Fashioned Bitters. Then some Buffalo Trace bourbon on the rocks.
December 29th, 2007 at 12:10 amIf the New York Times is going to hire a liar and a racist like Bill Kristol then they might as well hire Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Michael Savage, Bill O'Reilly, and Ari Fleischer.
December 29th, 2007 at 12:15 amIf the New York Times is going to hire a liar and a racist like Bill Kristol then they might as well hire Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Michael Savage, Bill O’Reilly, and Ari Fleischer.
Comment by delafield — December 29, 2007 @ 12:15 am
It's only a matter of time.
December 29th, 2007 at 12:17 amgummitch, what is Antica Formula. The first two sound delicious but I'm not a bourbon drinker. I used to drink scotch but I'm out of practice.
December 29th, 2007 at 12:18 amComment by gummitch — December 29, 2007 @ 12:10 am
I doubt that's what your doctor had in mind regarding the liquid diet. :D
December 29th, 2007 at 12:21 amAntica Formula is the original recipe for sweet vermouth, from Carpano in Italy. The recipe dates back to 1786 and was only recently rereleased. Unlike the sweet vermouth you may have experienced, it has a lot of herbal ingredients and is kind of woody and, erm, herbal. Most modern sweet vermouths are, frankly, crap, but the Antica Formula is some fascinating stuff. Make a Manhattan with this, Sazerac rye and brandied cherries (instead of those weird flourescent red things) and you will see the face of god. Or gods. Or goddesses.
Or the pasta thing. Anyway, you'll begin to understand the meaning of the universe.
December 29th, 2007 at 12:29 amMy doctor doesn't understand the meaning of the universe, Zooey. He's too damn young. Besides, he's on vacation and it was the triage nurse.
December 29th, 2007 at 12:30 amShayne, we have a lot of local distilling going on. Aviation Gin is a case in point. Micro-distilleries to echo our micro-breweries. Small, hand-crafted booze. God/Bacchus/wood sprites approve.
December 29th, 2007 at 12:31 amCould you send me one over gummitch. I have a head cold and it sounds like what the doctor would order. That herbal vermouth probably has some added benefits like gin, Campari and tequila do.
December 29th, 2007 at 12:33 amI pretty much like any gin although I've never had the cheap gin that's on a speed rail so I shouldn't say that.
December 29th, 2007 at 12:34 amComment by gummitch — December 29, 2007 @ 12:30 am
Maybe they have woody vermouth at Milliways.
December 29th, 2007 at 12:34 amDo all neocons have that insipid smirk or did he steal it from W?
December 29th, 2007 at 12:45 amDo all neocons have that insipid smirk or did he steal it from W?
Comment by jb — December 29, 2007 @ 12:45 am
Standard issue, Batshit Insane Neo-Con Boot Camp.
December 29th, 2007 at 12:50 amFunny. When I mix booze I suffer the "boomerang effect". Except for "Black Russians".
December 29th, 2007 at 12:57 amDo all neocons have that insipid smirk or did he steal it from W?
Comment by jb — December 29, 2007 @ 12:45 am
They remind me of five year olds who just heard their first "fart joke". Plus a little of Beavis and Butthead's abject cruelty. They're quite mad. Mad I say!
December 29th, 2007 at 1:00 amFunny. When I mix booze I suffer the “boomerang effectâ€. Except for “Black Russiansâ€.
Comment by pete — December 29, 2007 @ 12:57 am
Is "boomerang effect" another name for "hangover?" That's all I ever get from mixing booze...
December 29th, 2007 at 1:07 ami'm a bit shocked at the responses on this topic, especially those who are themselves shocked at the audaciity of the Times publishing the rhetoric of such a man.
but seriously, who the hell do you think actually runs the show?
the vegas bookies are betting on a democratic president in 2009 and so are big, very big money boys, whose wealth and position of economic influence would be undermined with any democrat, so like good chess players they are positioning their players for further battles.
the first row for attacking a sitting democratic president is the soapbox known as the new york times company. twice a week you get a nationally broadcast smear stamped with the imprimatur of "the new york times"
i would not even take even money that the Times didn't get paid a substantial amount of money or potential "access" to information if kristol get hired.
ya'll must be thinking we got us a free press. but its only free if you own the press.
we don't.
they do.
December 29th, 2007 at 1:11 amFunny. When I mix booze I suffer the “boomerang effectâ€. Except for “Black Russiansâ€.
Comment by pete — December 29, 2007 @ 12:57 am
What's a boomerang effect?
December 29th, 2007 at 1:11 amThis move by the NYT is so embarrassing and disgusting that I can't figure out what to make of it. It isn't just that Kristol is a discredited neocon. There are plenty of those around. It is his almost superhuman capacity for being wrong about everything. With Kristol there are no vestiges of respectability, because he never had any to begin with. This hiring seems pathetic and desperate when taken at face value.
December 29th, 2007 at 1:25 am"Boomerang effect". To return along the same path. To barf. It's uncomfortable and a waste of good booze.
December 29th, 2007 at 1:29 amOh I'm a professional at boomerang effect pete. Who knew.
December 29th, 2007 at 1:41 amOh I’m a professional at boomerang effect pete. Who knew.
Comment by Shayne — December 29, 2007 @ 1:41 am
Me too. Volume, violence, and duration.
December 29th, 2007 at 1:45 am"Hoooooo weeeeeeee! We will need a LOT of that “bird cage liner†to mop up all the exploded liberal heads over this one."
What are you talking about, fairy? No liberal heads will explode. Only the extreme righty (and the dumbest ones) would be surprised at this. That darned liberal media. Right.
December 29th, 2007 at 1:46 am"This blog is a joke."
Don't let us keep you.
December 29th, 2007 at 1:47 am"I pretty much like any gin although I’ve never had the cheap gin that’s on a speed rail so I shouldn’t say that."
I dislike sucking on pine trees so I am not a fan of gin :)
December 29th, 2007 at 1:54 amHoooooo weeeeeeee! We will need a LOT of that “bird cage liner†to mop up all the exploded liberal heads over this one.
Ok everyone, time to fire it up.
Comment by Fairy Duster
I guess that you're one of those poor dumb fools that hasn't figure out that the Bush administration is actually quite Liberal, as are the Necons that have taken over the Republican party, in at least 2 factors... spending and legislation.
Yes liberal, as in BIG government and BIG spending. The classic hallmarks of Liberalism.
REAL conservatives, despise these guys.
You're probably too stupid to figure this out, my friend, but you yourself... are a LIBERAL!
LOL!!!
December 29th, 2007 at 2:04 amMistress Z, I answered your question at the Zoo.
December 29th, 2007 at 2:10 amThat was ridiculous, JPV. Pure crap. Conservativism hasn't been about small government since Goldwater. If you actually believe in those things you might want to try Libertarianism. Can't guarantee nobody will laugh at you. George Bush is as "Conservative" as it gets. If you don't get that, I feel sorry for you.
December 29th, 2007 at 2:11 amNeoCons aren't conservative. They are extremist fascists out to destroy our government (bathtub drowning sound familiar) and create the illusion of an American empire via their delusions of grandeur.
December 29th, 2007 at 2:14 amMaking their corporate buddies rich in the process...
I disagree RU. Neocons are the natural extension of Reaganism (the bastion of "conservatism"). The dictionary just needs to be updated.
December 29th, 2007 at 2:19 amI have to go with RUC and JPV on this one. The neocons are reckless radicals with no sense, much less understanding, of history. But, those who follow their methods usually come to a bad end. Let's hope it happens again and their philosophy dies an ignominious, and richly deserved, end.
December 29th, 2007 at 2:20 amOk, I guess I am outvoted. I still think this is nothing more than an extension of Reagan's policies (just more open). I think Conservativism died in 1968. I haven't seen many Republicans since then that espouse true small government values (not that I would agree with them anyway, but they don't exist).
December 29th, 2007 at 2:25 amReagan wasn't a classic "conservative" either. Actually, very few true conservatives have achieved national prominence. People who want the "status quo" don't generally inspire the passion of reformers.
December 29th, 2007 at 2:25 amI see some of Reagan's piss on the middle class and watch it trickle down to the poor in the neocon handbook, but the Imperial Amerika schtick at the heart of the Straussian code is not Reaganish, IMHO.
December 29th, 2007 at 2:27 amComment by Sabyen91 — December 29, 2007 @ 2:25 am
Nah. We're in agreement. I just happen to think that today's "conservatives", or neocons, don't fall under the old definition. They have cast away all that was once admirable; kinda like Modern American Right-wing Evangelicals have done to the term "Christian".
December 29th, 2007 at 2:29 amThat is exactly my point guys. Since Reagan, conservativism has been a strong foreign presence (and mostly illegal), tax not and spend (growing the government more than any president since FDR) and...hmm, I guess I don't have a 3rd rail for them. They are two trick ponies. RU, ask a South American if Imperial Amerika is Reaganish :) The difference is he did it covertly.
December 29th, 2007 at 2:30 am"Nah. We’re in agreement. I just happen to think that today’s “conservativesâ€, or neocons, don’t fall under the old definition."
You are right, we agree. True conservativism died with Goldwater.
December 29th, 2007 at 2:31 amSorry, pete, I had to take issue with JPV saying since neocons weren't conservative in the big government sense they were somehow liberal.
December 29th, 2007 at 2:34 amComment by Sabyen91 — December 29, 2007 @ 2:34 am
No apology necessary. Though one could argue that their spending is more "liberal" than any liberal.
December 29th, 2007 at 2:59 amWell, liberals spend money to help society. "Conservatives" spend money to destroy societies.
December 29th, 2007 at 3:04 amWhy can't this guy just get hit by a bus?
December 29th, 2007 at 3:06 amDo you want the bus to feel dirty by touching that little toad? Why do you hate buses? :)
December 29th, 2007 at 3:11 amLet me guess, they'll balance him out with Michael O'Hanlon...*rolls eyes
December 29th, 2007 at 4:24 amNope, they are going to hire Alan Colmes away from Fox with promises of even more pats on the head.
December 29th, 2007 at 4:27 amOk, I guess I am outvoted. I still think this is nothing more than an extension of Reagan’s policies (just more open). I think Conservativism died in 1968. I haven’t seen many Republicans since then that espouse true small government values (not that I would agree with them anyway, but they don’t exist).
Comment by Sabyen91
Well, perhaps we're more in agreement than you realize. I'm talking about more "traditional" Republican ideology, which I agree, hasn't been observed in decades.
December 29th, 2007 at 5:07 amHe’s the perfect addition to Times as he balances out the otherwise hopelessly liberal agenda.
Comment by Frank M
LOL! You're so hysterical.
December 29th, 2007 at 6:27 amKristol is dangerous! He has The Weekly Standard, Fox News, a weekly column and now The New York Times to spead his warmongering. He recently suggested that US soldiers be intergrated into the Israeli army...something about cutting out the middle man, because recruitment was down in the Israeli army. Translation...Let the goyas do the fighting. This of course went over like a lead balloon, but it shows you that he is a violent Zionist who could care less if Iraqis, Iranians or Americans are killed or maimed as long as it serves the neocon agenda of making Israel the undisputed superpower in the middle east.
I'm going to e-mail the Times, not that it will do any good, but just to let them know that there are people paying attention to their support of thsoe who can only talk of war. It won't do any good because the Times is owned by Jews and the Times owners support the mass murder that has taken place in Iraq.
December 29th, 2007 at 8:35 am-video of Bhuttos death-
December 29th, 2007 at 8:40 am(you liberals get mad, the rest of the population agrees with him).
You're actually right this time Frank. It's just that the majority of the country doesn't know it's liberal. Most folks want out of Iraq. Most folks want real heath care reform. Most folks want honest government, most folks don't really care about brown people coming across the border to clean republicans' pools and cut their grass.
Most people are liberal, they just don't use that label because the right wing media has demonized that word.
December 29th, 2007 at 8:44 amTHis is a confirmation that America no longer has a left. It doesn't sell. And America has been sold out. The old America like the old Europe is forever gone. You are seeing the New America, the Bush version. Sell your soul, America has.
December 29th, 2007 at 9:34 amConservative has bee basturdized as well, what with the culture of corruption, the gay sex scandals, the endless Rovian scheherazade, the endless wars, lack of fiscal restraint, the devauation of the dollar, the price of fuel...
Conservatism means greedy corrupt toe tapping war party.
Integrity? Not a bit.
December 29th, 2007 at 10:13 amToday is my first day without the New York Times after 41 years. I feel fine....elated!!!
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December 29th, 2007 at 10:19 amI dislike sucking on pine trees so I am not a fan of gin :)
Comment by Sabyen91 — December 29, 2007 @ 1:54 am
Junipers are not just any pine trees. But the berries contain an extra medicinal value in the same way agave does. Good for those of us who can't handle much alcohol. ; )
December 29th, 2007 at 10:22 amI dislike sucking on pine trees so I am not a fan of gin :) -Sabyen91
That stuff kilt Euell Gibbons!
December 29th, 2007 at 10:24 amThat stuff kilt Euell Gibbons!
Comment by Xisithrus — December 29, 2007 @ 10:24 am
Oh get out ... you mean gin or actually sucking on pine trees?
December 29th, 2007 at 10:28 amOh get out … you mean gin or actually sucking on pine trees?
Actually he ate pine nuts...you know the grape nuts cereal guy?
December 29th, 2007 at 10:40 amZionists Unite!
In case it wasn't already obvious, the New York Times exists to further the interests of Israel.
Judith Miller was simply doing her job - for the US division of Mossad.
Google: Hasbara
December 29th, 2007 at 10:45 amHey, but the reichwingers claim that the NYT is "liberal."
December 29th, 2007 at 10:48 amHow low can the Times go with this addition? Any word on someone to balance William the Bloody?
"The CDI's Ledeen, Amitay and Sobhani were featured speakers at a May 2003 forum on "the future of Iran' sponsored by AEI, the Hudson Institute and the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. The forum, chaired by the Hudson Institute's Meyrav Wurmser, the Israeli-born wife of David Wurmser (he serves as Cheney's leading expert on Iran and Syria), included a presentation by Un Lubrani of Israel's Ministry of Defense.
Summarizing the sentiment of neoconservative ideologues and strategists, Meyrav Wurmser said: "Our fight against Iraq was only a battle in a long war. It would be ill-conceived to think we can deal with Iraq alone. We must move on, and faster."
JINSA, a neoconservative organization established in 1976 that fosters closer strategic and military ties between the United States and Israel, also has its sights on Iran. At a JINSA policy forum in April 2003 titled "Time to Focus on Iran-The Mother of Modern Terrorism," Ledeen declared, "The time for diplomacy is at an end; it is time for a free Iran, free Syria and free Lebanon."
JINSA, along with CSP, serves as one of the main institutional links to the military-industrial complex for neoconservatives. Ledeen served as JINSA's first executive director and was JINSA's "Godfather," according to Amitay. Amitay is a JINSA vice chair. JINSA board members or advisers also include former CIA director James Woolsey, former Rep. Jack Kemp and the AEI's Joshua Muravchik. After he joined the administration, Feith resigned from JINSA.'s board of advisers, as did Vice President Dick Cheney and Undersecretary of State for Arms Control John Bolton."
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Central_Asia_watch/Is_Iran_Next.html
December 29th, 2007 at 10:53 amM I C H A E L
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Ledeen's ideas are repeated daily by such figures as Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz. His views virtually define the stark departure from American foreign policy philosophy that existed before the tragedy of Sept. 11, 2001. He basically believes that violence in the service of the spread of democracy is America's manifest destiny. Consequently, he has become the philosophical legitimator of the American occupation of Iraq.
Now Michael Ledeen is calling for regime change beyond Iraq. In an address entitled "Time to Focus on Iran -- The Mother of Modern Terrorism," for the policy forum of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) on April 30, he declared, "the time for diplomacy is at an end; it is time for a free Iran, free Syria and free Lebanon."
With a group of other conservatives, Ledeen recently set up the Center for Democracy in Iran (CDI), an action group focusing on producing regime change in Iran.
Quotes from Ledeen's works reveal a peculiar set of beliefs about American attitudes toward violence. "Change -- above all violent change -- is the essence of human history," he proclaims in his book, "Machiavelli on Modern Leadership: Why Machiavelli's Iron Rules Are as Timely and Important Today as Five Centuries Ago." In an influential essay in the National Review Online he asserts, "Creative destruction is our middle name. We do it automatically ... it is time once again to export the democratic revolution."
Iraq, Iran and Syria are the first and foremost nations where this should happen, according to Ledeen. The process by which this should be achieved is a violent one, termed "total war," a concept pioneered by the 19th century Prussian general, Karl von Clausewitz in his classic book "On War."
Ledeen's take on this idea is wedded to ideology. In summarizing his book "The War Against the Terror Masters" on the American Enterprise Institute Web site, he writes: "We wage total war because we fight in the name of an idea, and ideas either triumph or fail ... totally." In his reckoning, force is the only reliable strategy to enforce our ideology on our enemies. In the same summary he claims, drawing inspiration from Machiavelli: "We can lead by the force of high moral example ... [but] fear is much more reliable, and lasts longer. Once we show that we are capable of dealing out terrible punishment to our enemies, our power will be far greater."
http://www.alternet.org/story/15860/
A fellow at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, Ledeen holds a Ph.D. in History and Philosophy from the University of Wisconsin. In 1983, on the recommendation of Richard Perle, Ledeen was hired at the Department of Defense as a consultant on terrorism. While being investigated as a security risk by his supervisor, Noel Koch, it was learned from the CIA station that Ledeen had been carried in Agency files as an agent of influence of a foreign government: Israel.
After having his access to classified materials blocked he ceased working there. He next appeared at the National Security Council as a consultant working with NSC head Robert McFarlane. Ledeen was involved in the transfer of arms to Iran during the Iran-Contra affair -- an adventure that he documented in the book "Perilous Statecraft: An Insider's Account of the Iran-Contra Affair." A prominent member of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) board of governors and the Center for Security Policy (CSP), he advocates "total war" inline with the "Grand Strategy for the Middle East" which advocates "Iraq as the tactical pivot, Saudi Arabia as the strategic pivot and Egypt as the prize." Ledeen is presently a serving member on the China Commission and, with the support of DOD Undersecretary for Policy Douglas Feith, he has since 2001 been employed as a consultant for the Office of Special Plans OSP). He is involved in the handling of classified materials and has high-level security clearances. He was also involved in election rigging of the 2000 election.
http://www.nogw.com/warforisrael.html
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Conflicts and power
From an outstanding interview with Professor Ilan Pappe of Haifa University (my emphasis):
“I think that neo-conservatism is mainly a product of the Cold War, and I think as happened in Israel, so in the US, a lot of people benefit economically, sociologically, politically, from a situation of conflict which begins with the producers of arms, and it ends with the people who have a hold on the decision-making apparatus in the name of national security. And of course this was all lost in a way when the Soviet Union collapsed, and the cold war ended. And I think this group of people were looking for a new bogey man, a new threat to the national security of the US and they found it because of the very strong influence, I think, of Israel among other things, in the Arab world and the Islamic world. Of course, movements such as the Islamic Al-Qaeda did not help. They provided the pretext, and the context for even pushing these ideas even further. And what we have now is the same people, a next generation, who would do all they can to perpetuate the conflict, because they benefit from the conflict. They benefit from situations of wars, of conflicts, and so on, and I think this is what enforces their hold over the American policy making in the world at large, and in the Middle East in particular.â€
We often wonder why people like Ledeen seem to be so interested in creating conflict for the sake of conflict. One reason is that people who are aware of the timing of a conflict are in a position to make money off it. Another reason is that this constant conflict constitutes the sole reason why these people have any power. They create an escalating series of problems, and then have to remain in power to ‘solve’ them. Of course, the solutions continue to lead to more conflicts. We can understand all the the talk about Iran as another example of creating a conflict which gives these characters something to do. While a civil war in Iraq benefits Likudniks in the American government and in Israel, it also benefits a guy like Cheney, whose only interest is in creating more power for Cheney. The United States has fallen into a vicious cycle where the jobs of the neocons and their fellow travelers like Cheney and Rumsfeld are dependent on their cleaning up the messes they have already started. An end to conflict would put them out of power, so we’ll never see an end to conflict.
http://xymphora.blogspot.com/
December 29th, 2007 at 10:54 amOh well! I never read Brooks and I never read Saphire! I'll enjoy never reading Kristol!
December 29th, 2007 at 11:10 am"The objectively pro-al Qaeda Satyam accused Kristol of lying, yet failed to include a single example of a lie."
Comment by Manslagt
Here you go:
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh103102.shtml
December 29th, 2007 at 12:10 pmSpecifically:
The pattern continued when Greta Van Susteren went On the Record a few hours later. Bill Kristol was one of her guests. He too (lightly) embroidered:
KRISTOL: When Rick—when Rick Kahn said, “We can redeem the sacrifice of Paul Wellstone’s life if you help win this election with Walter Mondale,†that’s a little crazy. I mean, you can’t redeem the sacrifice of Paul Wellstone’s life by electing Walter Mondale. So there’s a kind of, there’s a kind of politicization of things like death, which is a little weird.
That’s the way the official Fox transcript is punctuated, and that’s the way the statement sounded. Kahn, of course, didn’t mention Mondale’s name. Neither did any other speaker at the “politicized†event.
December 29th, 2007 at 12:13 pmPerhaps only the conservatives buy newspapers nowadays. I find the liberal blogs much more informative. I certainly don't want to supplement the income of the MSM and their rightwing minions.
December 29th, 2007 at 12:14 pmThat is both good news and good business.
December 29th, 2007 at 12:33 pmThis is a sad day for the NY Times.
December 29th, 2007 at 5:30 pmNever has a man who has been so wrong been promoted so high… unless you count GW Bush.
Comment by LibertyLover — December 28, 2007 @ 10:40 pm
Don't you see, Lovver? Kristol and Chimpy were Siamese twins, separated at birth!
December 30th, 2007 at 4:17 amQ: How do I cancel my subscription?
A: To cancel your subscription, please call 1-800-NYTIMES (1-800-698-4637).
press #4
then press #2
You will be connected to a customer care representative.
Be sure and mention Kristol as the reason.
January 7th, 2008 at 2:28 pm