We the people decide. Not Fox.

Comment by CaptainMantastic

It’s like slow-pitch softball…

I believe that most of those are from RHF and a couple others. I don’t much care for their style even if they share my sentiments. And, believe it or not, I regularly flag offenders on both sides.

Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 30, 2007 @ 2:29 pm

Not often. However, the point I was making is that the response to JPV was due to his style rather than his position.

Comment by CaptainMantastic

Define “turn on,” you gay devil.

Do I think people as a whole are good? No. Not in the slightest. Dictatorships abound in this world, run by two-bit tin-star generals who believe they are right and everyone else is wrong. Christmastime is a time of beating down your fellow shoppers in the quest for the last great toy of the season, and every time I watch a light turn from yellow to red, I see assholes blasting through it trying to beat it to get to their destination. Yes, there are good people in the world, but their numbers are far outnumbered by the selfish bastards who think that they are the only important people in the world and the truly evil. True democracy doesn’t work because of that. You don’t like me? In an Athenian style democracy, you and your buddies all scratch each other’s backs and I’m sent packing. No, I do not think people are good.

Libertarianism in its most basic form is an expression of pure selfishness to me. In a Libertarian society, Pell Grants and Stafford Loans don’t exist. Only the rich get to go to college, so people like me who cannot or will not take loans from private entities (thank you, Sub-Prime Mortgage people and Credit Card companies…) are left working in whatever job high-school education and left working menial jobs. In a Libertarian society, there are no consumer protections, so when my Insurance company argued that my e-bike was a ‘motor vehicle’ and refused the claim, there’d be no one for me to turn to to force the insurance company to cover that claim. Libertarianism rapidly degenerates into an oligarchy, simply because we are not equal under the eyes of the law…after all, I have a job I have to go to, and can’t devote the virtually limitless time and money a big corporation can devote to fighting a legal battle. Libertarianism requires that you accept the goodness inherent in people, and sadly, I think that as a whole, humankind is a very selfish lot.

So, while I agree about being able to do with my body as I wish, I don’t agree with you that all we need is a libertarian government to give me that right. What I’d lose in consumer protections would more than offset being able to smoke, drink, or inject whatever I wish, and as for the fundies getting some states where they can outlaw abortion, you’re naive if you don’t think they wouldn’t expand that. Their Good Book implores them to do so, at least, that’s what they say…

Speaking only for myself, it seems the “regulars” took exception to this post and, rightfully, “turned on you”.

You guys are all complete and utter fools.

Comment by JPV — December 29, 2007 @ 9:00 pm

Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 30, 2007 @ 12:13 pm

No it isn’t; it’s your usual bullshit generalizing without facts to back y8ou up. You try to claim the high road by agreeing with facts that you can’t disagree with, but you’re still a gullible, misguided tool.

The people that comment though…wow. A massively uninformed bunch. There are a few objective commentators but a lot of you are way too personal and let your emotions get the best of you.

I must request everyone grow up.

That’s f_cking bullshit.

Comment by CaptainMantastic

Yeah, I believe it.

I’m a long time poster here. I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat.

I’ve got along pretty well with the regulars here ’till I started defending Ron Paul.

I can see now that the predominant mindset here is to maintain the corporate business-as-usual political status quo.

And the South Central Los Angeles Myth too? How about the poverty myth?
Why hasn’t Ron Paul come out and said he’d repeal the tax break for the 1%ers?

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/articles/ron-paul-dissection-new-hampshire-polls.html

Anselm College
New Hampshire Statewide
Candidate Total Liberal Moderate Conservative
Mitt Romney 32% 13% 30% 35%
Rudy Giuliani 22% 12% 28% 20%
John McCain 15% 13% 23% 12%
Ron Paul 7% 44% 5% 6%
Mike Huckabee 6% 6% 1% 8%
Fred Thompson 5% - 4% 6%
Tom Tancredo 1% - 1% 2%
Duncan Hunter 1% - 1% 1%
Sam Brownback 1% - - 1%
Unsure/Other 10% 13% 9% 10%

There is a poll with Ron Paul in 4th place. If Paul isn’t there, then neither should Huckabee, Thompson, Tancredo, Hunter, Brownback or anyone from the Other category.

Here is another poll :

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/new_hampshire/election_2008_new_hampshire_republican_primary
Survey of 746 Likely GOP Voters
December 18, 2007

New Hampshire GOP Primary
Mitt Romney 31%
John McCain 27%
Rudy Giuliani 13%
Mike Huckabee 11%
Ron Paul 7%
Fred Thompson 3%
Tom Tancredo 1%
Duncan Hunter 0%

But what is missing in this poll? Independents are allowed to vote for either party in NH. This will certainly increase Paul’s support.

Ron Paul is the #2 GOP fund raiser in NH.
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/119758.html

Since everyone is reporting Fred Thompson is going to be at the event, and Ron Paul is polling at double what Fred is polling, while raising much more money, we can only conclude that something other than poll numbers or fund raising was involved in the selection of candidates for the event.

http://www.pollster.com/08-NH-Rep-Pres-Primary.php

That is another polling site. In that last 18 polls not once did Fred beat Ron, many of them even showed Ron beating Fred beyond the margin of error. And in the majority of those polls Ron is within the margin of error to actually be beating Huckabee in NH. Ron has even been within spitting distance of Guiliani in a few of those polls. The USA today/gallup poll with Guiliani at 11 and both Paul and Huckabee at 9. That is pretty much a dead heat between the three of them.

Now, factor in that a huge amount of Paul support comes from people who are first time voters, who are liberals and independents that are joining the party for the first time. Young people who only have cell phones, so they will not show up in phone polls. I am a Republican that voted Democrat for years because I had no real Republican candidates and I wanted to stop the rise of the neocons who had taken control of the republican party. There are many people like me. I only have a VoIP line, like millions of people do, so I am not going to show up on any polls.

Ron Paul will do very very well in both Iowa and New Hampshire. He won’t win, but he will get at least 3rd place in both elections. This will position him very well as a first tier candidate and make it impossible for anyone to ignore him or to systematically disparage his supporters like most “news” agencies are currently doing.

The Media Hounds Unleashed on Ron Paul — How the CIA Will Use Liberals to Destroy the Anti-Empire Candidate

Then, on the other hand, we have Ron Paul, who wishes to decimate the CIA militarist global empire and end this misery that supports resource theft and slave labor markets for corporations.

Who will the media make fun of? Who will the media smear?

What I find the saddest, is that Liberals and Progressives, who’ve I’ve worked side by side with in anti-war and human rights causes . . . will bleat like sheep, and parrot all the character assassinations the CIA plants in their corporate media lackey’s mouths.

It will be liberals and progressives who will turn on the last greatest hope we have of saving our democracy and ending the brutal CIA run global corporate empire. After 9/11, when the Democrats were licking the boots of Bush and the neo-cons, there was one shining knight who stood tall against them. Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney demanded to know what happened to the $2.3 TRILLION Rumsfeld said the Pentagon “lost.” She demanded to know more about the connections between Bush and the Bin Laden family, and she demanded to know who ordered the mysterious war games to be held coincidentally on 9/11/2001, and why they were not called off when the attacks began.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RvLL–vSsA

For her courage her own Democratic Party leaders turned on her or turned away from her as the CIA controlled media hounds were unleashed upon her. This brave woman is now the Green Party Candidate, and if she garners the kind of support Ron Paul has, the CIA controlled media will turn on her again. And as before, the Democratic leadership will parrot the media’s attacks on her.

Suddenly, I wake up and can hardly believe that I ever knew these people in the first place. It’s like invasion of the body snatchers, and they are all screaming their alarms at Ron Paul, the one candidate who has not been replaced with the soul of a CIA militarist pod.

On NBC’s Meet the Press last week, Ron Paul shook the foundations of the illegal war mongering power structures of America. He’ll have hell to pay. His only hope is that the people he is standing up for, the average peace and justice loving American, will stand up for Ron Paul.

You can watch Ron Paul’s historic interview at 4 youtube links. 2 are below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saDw03JXigA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCSY438wpCk

My fellow liberals and progressives, there is still time to awaken. Join the Ron Paul Revolution.

United we stand.

Racists are those that support the drug wars, which are really a war against the poor and disenfranchised in this country. Ron Paul would end the drug wars and legalize drugs, releasing 20% of the prisoners whose only crime was possession. He would eliminate the sentences of those who were convicted of drug crimes, reducing their sentences to only reflect the violence they committed.

As far as social programs go. Ron Paul is a huge believer in social programs. He just does not think that the federal government should be the one running them. Ron Paul wants to cut federal programs and eliminate taxes, and then he trusts in the goodness of each and every person to take some of those taxes that we are not paying anymore, and give that money to charities that will take care of the old, and the sick and poor.

You do think that humans are good right?

If we are not good, would any organization we formed be any better than we are individually?

Ron Paul trusts that each of us are good and want to help our neighbors and our family, if we had the resources to do so. He just doesn’t think that people should be forced to help at the point of a gun, which is what the IRS does.

Imagine making enough money from just one job that a spouse could stay home with the kids all the time. Imagine having enough money to take care of your old sick parents yourself instead of having to drop them into some tax funded hell hole because you are paying 40% of your money to the IRS.

Imagine having the personal choice about what social programs your money supports.

Want to give it all to religious institutions? Bless you.

Want to donate to secular charities? Thank you.

Want to keep all your money, because you feel that people should make it on their own? That makes you a stingy jerk, but it’s your prerogative to be a stingy jerk in a free society.

By not concentrating all that money and power into one place it will make America less corrupt.

Ron Paul is unashamedly against abortion. Of course he is, as a doctor he has helped women give birth to over 4000 babies. He has devoted his life to children and seeing that they are healthy.

That being said, Ron Paul doesn’t feel that without an amendment that the federal government has the right to tell an individual state if they can or cannot allow abortions in that state. As a purely states right issue.

Don’t you think that our country would be more stable if the nut jobs on the far right had a state or 3 they could move to that forbid abortions? Especially when they can still just take their kid a couple of hours away for a safe abortion in a neighboring sane state?

Personally, I think we should work towards a health amendment that says that any adult should be allowed to ingest any substance they wish, as long as they don’t directly endanger others by driving and they do not get intoxicated around minors or in public. That women have full authority to do what they will with their bodies and their unborn babies. That humans have the right to end their own lives when they want to do so, for any reason that they want. That anyone 13 years or older should be able to petition the courts for the full rights and responsibilities of an adult. That adults who are of sound mind should be able to consent to any sex act they wish with another adult, in the privacy of their homes, or hotel rooms, regardless of gender.

But that is just me. I’ve never liked people telling anyone what to do or enforcing their views of what others should do with their bodies.