Huckabee would criminalize abortion and punish doctors.
Huckabee would criminalize abortion and punish doctors.
Also during his Meet The Press appearance today, former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee said that as President he would seek to “find some way to sanction” doctors “who took money to provide abortions to women if he succeeded in outlawing the procedure.” “I don’t know that you’d put him in prison,” added Huckabee. He said that he would “not support penalizing women who sought abortions even if they were outlawed” because he considers a woman who seeks an abortion to be “a victim, not a criminal.”
UPDATE: A recent study by the Guttmacher Institute and the World Health Organization found that criminalization is ineffective in lowering abortions, and that the procedure is most “dangerous in countries where it was outlawed and performed clandestinely.”
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Thanks TP, for putting this up.
As in the previous thread, I'm still curious if 'ol Huck thinks that the doctors who oversaw the torure of prisoners also meets his criterion for doctors who've abrogated their hippocratic oaths, and so should be prosecuted.
December 30th, 2007 at 5:11 pmI also wonder if his Christian spirit of forgiving the mothers extends to drug-addicted individuals who get busted while scoring from their dealers. Prosecute the dealer, but let the user walk?
December 30th, 2007 at 5:15 pm.
So Huckabee would punish the doctor and not the patient that sought it out because seeking to coordinate a murder is legal?
My God says "Thou shall not kill"
Huck's god says "Thou can murder when..."
Great Christian leader he is.
...
N O T!
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December 30th, 2007 at 5:19 pmHe [Hucker] said that he would “not support penalizing women who sought abortions even if they were outlawed†because he considers a woman who seeks an abortion to be “a victim, not a criminal.â€
Assuming the woman is not a victim of rape or incest, exactly HOW and WHY should she be considered a victim?
December 30th, 2007 at 5:19 pmHaHa....
Im sure the democratic congress WOULDNT pass a law that criminalize abortions...
but he could try
December 30th, 2007 at 5:22 pmComment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
So? Planned Parenthood is an excellent organization.
December 30th, 2007 at 5:25 pmUh-oh! If you didn't know the whackiness of Huckabee you should now. After banning abortions he will likely sobvert other religions as well. There is no room in governance for anyone who puts believe and faith ahead of sound, fair thought.
December 30th, 2007 at 5:29 pmAccording to the Supremes, abortion is a constitutionally protected right.
December 30th, 2007 at 5:33 pmComment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
Are you deluded enough to believe that all PP does is provide abortions?
When I was a teen, we could go to PP and get birth control. I doubt it's so easy now. Are you against birth control as well?
December 30th, 2007 at 5:39 pmLet's face it, the left and right in America are going to come to blows.
December 30th, 2007 at 5:49 pmWhat's Next?? Putting coat hangers in Prison?
If Huckabee manages to win the Republican Nomination, the Democrats will really have to Try Hard to lose in November 08.
December 30th, 2007 at 5:49 pmWhen I was a teen, we could go to PP and get birth control. I doubt it’s so easy now. Are you against birth control as well?
Comment by Zooey — December 30, 2007 @ 5:39 pm
He is against all open thought.
December 30th, 2007 at 5:49 pmUnless Chimpy and the Republicrooks tell him it is acceptable thought.
Assuming the woman is not a victim of rape or incest, exactly HOW and WHY should she be considered a victim?
Comment by Zooey — December 30, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
I think he considers women to be so helpless that they have no real control over the situation. Obviously, the woman didn't really want to have sex but was unable to prevent the big mean man from having his wicked way with her.
I'm not sure which is worse, this belief or the belief that women are the source of all Sin and, well hell, if she kept her damn knees together none of this would have happened.
December 30th, 2007 at 5:50 pmWhen I was a teen, we could go to PP and get birth control. I doubt it’s so easy now. Are you against birth control as well?
Comment by Zooey — December 30, 2007 @ 5:39 pm
He's just flinging feces, Zooey. Flag 'em, kick 'em in the nuts, and forget 'em.
December 30th, 2007 at 5:51 pmWe have to be the laughing stock of the world. The issues and ridiculous attitudes being exposed, what the American people are putting up with ex: for profit health care and such...
I am truly embarrassed.
And I suppose Huck would like to make criminalization of abortion and punishment of doctors retroactive.
December 30th, 2007 at 5:54 pmYes, in the same sense that the National Socialists were an excellent organization.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
Conservatives just love the Nazis. It fits well with their authoritative, militaristic, jingoistic and sheep-like mentality.
December 30th, 2007 at 5:54 pmHe’s just flinging feces, Zooey. Flag ‘em, kick ‘em in the nuts, and forget ‘em.
Comment by gummitch — December 30, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
I am fairly sure if you kicked, you would find the chickenhawk coward doesn't have any.
December 30th, 2007 at 5:56 pmLet’s face it, the left and right in America are going to come to blows.
Comment by Perry logan —
December 30th, 2007 at 5:57 pmHow? There isn't much left on the right.
Let's get Larry Flynt to expose just how many self righteous anti abortion repugs have paid for an abortion for their mistresses.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:01 pmIf you believe abortion is murder, wouldn't the woman be an accessory or accomplice to murder and deserve a fitting punishment?
December 30th, 2007 at 6:01 pmI’m not sure which is worse, this belief or the belief that women are the source of all Sin and, well hell, if she kept her damn knees together none of this would have happened.
Comment by gummitch — December 30, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
Another batch of idiots terrified of women.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:02 pmI’m certain that the National Socialists didn’t just kill Jews.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
Were you born this stupid, or do you choose to act this stupid?
December 30th, 2007 at 6:03 pmActually, the Nazis were socialists (i.e., on the left). If you read the Nazi Party’s platform during the 1920s, it is remarkably similar to the Democrat Party’s platform during the past 20 years.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
Trying to rewrite history on a blog doesn'tgo over well, idiot
December 30th, 2007 at 6:04 pmThe immaturity and inexperience are very telling by manslagt's spewing.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:04 pmNot to feed, but perhaps enlighten (I know, I know he's beyond comprehension): PP is a low cost clinic not only for reproductive needs but for pap smears and mammograms - preventative steps needed for the millions of women who have no medical coverage.
what a f.*.cking pig.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:05 pmThere is no way that we can allow a family of animal abusers, like the Huckelberry family, to set foot in the White House. The Huckster's son should be thrown in prison with Michael Vick. http://www.newsweek.com/id/78241
December 30th, 2007 at 6:05 pmHow? There isn’t much left on the right.
Comment by had enough — December 30, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
Nice play on words...but we ignore the threat of a well financed and dedicated right wing at our own peril. Remember Goldwater in 1964. We have Bush's tremendous talent for incompetence and inarticulation to thank for the present situation..BUT if the Democrats don't use their soon to be aquired Power to make things a whole lot better for Americans, and quickly.... they will give the Republicans an opportunity for ressurection.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:06 pmI’m certain that the National Socialists didn’t just kill Jews.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
They hated and killed Jews and all other minorities, liberals, communists, unionists, gays, etc. They were like modern day conservatives.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:06 pmI have to wonder sometimes if trolls like Maslagt are actually employed by left-wing organizations to make the right look tremendously stupid. Either that, or he is just trying to stir sh!t up. No one could really be that stupid.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:07 pmActually, the Nazis were socialists (i.e., on the left). If you read the Nazi Party’s platform during the 1920s, it is remarkably similar to the Democrat Party’s platform during the past 20 years.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
Ok, you're just stupid -- born or made.
Nazis = hard right
Idiot.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:07 pmOk, I'm not sure I understand his logic. A woman who seeks out a doctor to perform an abortion is a "victim" and the doctor is a "criminal"? If abortion were to be outlawed, it seems to me that they would both be committing a criminal act.
Huckabee's thought processes are pretty scary. I fear for this country if this person were to be elected as our President.
Besides, the Republiscums would never tolerate outlawing abortions. That would take away their primary wedge issue that they use to keep the uninformed on their side of the fence. Without the abortion boogyman, many in the heartland would finally realize that voting Republican IS NOT in their own best interest.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:08 pmWithout the abortion boogyman, many in the heartland would finally realize that voting Republican IS NOT in their own best interest.
Comment by bilbobaggins — December 30, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
There is always the gays and brown people.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:10 pmAbortion has been here since the beginning of time.... and it is always going to be. In the earliest times, women found ways and still remained true to their spirituality. It is/was a natural form of birth control to preserve the human race in time of hardship.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:11 pmSo ridiculous of these Christians to impose THEIR views, views that goes against the natural preservation of the human race.
According to the Supremes, abortion is a constitutionally protected right.
Comment by nellre
Those Supremes were a very different from the Supremes today. But, never fear, the Repuliscums are not going to give up abortion as their primary wedge issue.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:12 pmActually, the Nazis were socialists (i.e., on the left). If you read the Nazi Party’s platform during the 1920s, it is remarkably similar to the Democrat Party’s platform during the past 20 years.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
They actually ran on a pretty liberal platform but they governed like modern day conservatives. It was like Bush's 2000 campaign. He ran on a compassionate conservative platform but then governed like a Neocon/Fascist/Nazi etc.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:13 pmMore evidence that Dems are polling poorly against Reps in a general presidential election:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/29/AR2007122901476.html?hpid=topnews
The "spector" of a 3rd party candidacy always rears its head when Dem's poll numbers start slipping, which itself is a direct affect of Benezir Bhutto's assassination. The primaries just got a national security wake-up call, and with Iraq settling down, the public is feeling hawkish.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:13 pmGod - Guns - Gays
December 30th, 2007 at 6:13 pmThe republican trifecta
But, never fear, the Repuliscums are not going to give up abortion as their primary wedge issue.
Comment by bilbobaggins — December 30, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
True. If abortion "went away," the wingnut politicians wouldn't have the emotional and heart-rending "save the babies!" craziness.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:15 pmComment by Jason M. Hendler — December 30, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
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Just keep singing that tune buddy. You're in for a rude awakening.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:15 pmThere is always the gays and brown people.
Comment by Wayne
Acceptance of gays is becoming more and more mainstream so making the brown people into boogymen will become more and more important for the Republiscums if they were able to outlaw abortion. I still don't think they would even try. Not all Republiscums are anti choice. There are less and less as time goes by.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:15 pmFor more background on Mike Huckabee the dangerous extremist and radical reactionary, see:
December 30th, 2007 at 6:15 pm- "Top 10 Moments in Mike Huckabee's Extremism."
- "10 More Moments in Mike Huckabee's Extremism."
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — December 30, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
Got anything on-topic, dingleberry?
December 30th, 2007 at 6:16 pmGod - Guns - Gays
The republican trifecta
Comment by Chris L —
December 30th, 2007 at 6:18 pmThey are certainly working head on those wedge issues... issues that will always be here for them... If they dared to talk about what America really needs, it would be curtain closed for them.
The “spector†of a 3rd party candidacy always rears its head when Dem’s poll numbers start slipping, which itself is a direct affect of Benezir Bhutto’s assassination. The primaries just got a national security wake-up call, and with Iraq settling down, the public is feeling hawkish.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
As usual, JMH is lying. There is nothing in that article about Democratic poll numbers, it's all in his imagination. The article is about a possible independent bid by Bloomberg. I'm all for that. A Bloomberg/Hagel ticket would pull a lot more voters from the Republiscum side than the Democratic side.
As far as the public feeling Hawkish...dream on troll. Do you have a crystal ball that can see what the public is thinking? Since it has only been a few days since Bhutto was assassinated, it is not apparent yet if it will affect our politics in any way.
Keep on dreaming Jason. I would love to be a fly on the wall in your house on the day after the 2008 election. I would love to see your head explode, since that's what is going to happen to you when you wake up to a Democratic President and an overwhelmingly Democratic Congress.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:20 pmYou’re a moron.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
Dude, you're the one who thinks Nazis were on the left.
Pot, meet kettle.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:21 pmYou’re a moron.
Comment by Manslagt
Project much?
December 30th, 2007 at 6:21 pmJust keep singing that tune buddy. You’re in for a rude awakening.
Comment by Chris L — December 30, 2007 @ 6:15 pm
He has been batting 0 for a couple years, keeps trying with his "predictions" but hasn't hit one yet.
He must have felt his sockpuppet wasn't making enough of a stir on the blog....
December 30th, 2007 at 6:21 pmYou’re a moron.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
You're entitled to your opinion.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:22 pmDo you believe all the National Socialists did was kill Jews? If not, you have nothing to base your comment on.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
I base my comment on your idiocy.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:23 pmYou’re a moron.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
Talking to yourself again? Or Jason?
December 30th, 2007 at 6:23 pmWrong. You obviously have never read the Nazis’ political platform from the 1920s. I’m certain that you would agree with most or all of the principles, given that they are from the left.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
You obviously have never cracked a history book. Keep trying.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:27 pmDo you believe all the National Socialists did was kill Jews? If not, you have nothing to base your comment on.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
I listed the groups they hated and killed; they setup camps; they started unprovoked wars; they denounce war dissenters as unpatriotic; they demanded obedience to the leader; they ignored the Congress and eventually dissolved it; they used religion to relate to the public; etc.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:29 pmI'm sure in Manslagt's brain the Nazi's were good friends with the Stalinists. The Nazis and the communists got along great together, considering they were both so left wing. Now he is out to rid the world of "Islamofascist Lib-Nazi left-wing moonbat commies". Since all extreme religous groups have such a heavy left-wing bias.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:29 pmThe government of Nazi Germany was a fascist, totalitarian state. Totalitarian regimes, in contrast to a dictatorship, establish complete political, social, and cultural control over their subjects, and are usually headed by a charismatic leader. Fascism is a form of right-wing totalitarianism which emphasizes the subordination of the individual to advance the interests of the state.
There's a start for you, Manslagt. You can find the rest on the Google.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:32 pmComments by Manslagt
December 30th, 2007 at 6:33 pmSo what is your point, on topic, regarding Huck exploiting the abortion wedge issue?
Manslagt, good_golly, Hendler,
Should doctors who provide abortions be punished? Should abortion be criminalized?
December 30th, 2007 at 6:33 pmWrong. You obviously have never read the Nazis’ political platform from the 1920s. I’m certain that you would agree with most or all of the principles, given that they are from the left.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
They governed like modern-day conservatives so she wouldn't agree with them. You should agree with them or do you denounce the modern-day conservative platform and governance?
December 30th, 2007 at 6:34 pmComment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
What you don't seem to understand is that it matters little what the Nazi platform said in the 20s -- since what they said and what the did were very different.
You can be happy in your little make-believe world.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:34 pmAmong the key elements of Nazism were anti-parliamentarism, ethnic nationalism, racism, collectivism, eugenics, antisemitism, opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism, a racially-defined and conspiratorial view of finance capitalism, anti-communism, and totalitarianism.
From wiki.
Sounds alot like Bush's claimed Compassionate Conservatism to me.
What ever the 20s National Socialist Party platform was, it was transformed bu Hitler and his cronies into something much more sinister.
With your simplistic view of the world, I know that is hard for you to understand. Maybe a book with more pictures would help you, Manslaught
December 30th, 2007 at 6:35 pmWell folks, it looks like the trolls have succeeded once again in completely derailing and taking over the thread. Have a good day everyone.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:36 pmManslagt spends too much time in Freeper land, and not enough time in the library.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:36 pmAgain, let’s have a little fun. Go find the Nazis’ platform from the 1920s, post it here, and tell us why you disagree with each plank.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 6:36 pm
Actually, I'm not going to spam this blog with that shit. But you go ahead, and explain to us how much you disagree with it.
BTW, do you believe in unicorns and jackalopes?
December 30th, 2007 at 6:39 pmMore important information to absorb...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1105693275265493367&hl=en
December 30th, 2007 at 6:39 pmAnother fine thread derailed by Dumb and Dumber. TP really needs to upgrade to a system that uses IP's instead of screen names. Heck, "name jacking" is even making a comeback.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:40 pmComment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 6:36 pm
manny, feeling a bit "hawkish"?
(jas, this what you were referring to, right?)
December 30th, 2007 at 6:40 pmComment by ggibson1 — December 30, 2007 @ 6:39 pm
not another Ron Paul freak supporter.......
December 30th, 2007 at 6:43 pmAnd that means they are on the right? Seems to me that communists in the Soviet Union, China, Vietnam, and Cambodia also did that. Are you now going to argue that communists are right-wingers?
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
They were a mixture. They were economically to the left but politically to the right.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:44 pmSorry wayne but I have been on ThinkProgress for several years... I have donated to ThinkProgress.org... have you?
http://democratsforpaul.ning.com/
December 30th, 2007 at 6:49 pmHilarious!!
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 6:47 pm
Not as hilarious as you thinking Nazis were on the left. :-D
December 30th, 2007 at 6:49 pmThe racist history of the Democrat party is very consistent with your arguments, Manslaught.
See, http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/3554.html.
Comment by good_golly — December 30, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
The racists jumped ship when LBJ signed Civil Rights legislation. You can tell by the African American vote. Before the legislation, African Americans voted 80 to 90 percent republican. After the legislation, they voted 90+ percent Democratic.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:49 pmSorry wayne but I have been on ThinkProgress for several years… I have donated to ThinkProgress.org… have you?
Comment by ggibson1 — December 30, 2007 @ 6:49 pm
It doesn't matter how long you've been here. The ONLY good thing about Ron Paul is that he wants us out of Iraq, and that's not the ONLY thing this country needs.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:51 pmDemocrats also made up the vast majority of the KKK’s membership and opposed civil rights acts and nominations of African-American Supreme Court nominees.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
The significant word is MADE,past tense...those were the dixiecrats who turned in Republicans after Johnson got the civil rights legislation passed .
December 30th, 2007 at 6:52 pmHilarious!!
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 6:47 pm
You don't agree that those government were were authoritative, militaristic and jingoistic like modern-day conservatives?
December 30th, 2007 at 6:53 pm#82 – Only until the civil rights movement and all of the racists moved to the Republican Party. Lincoln would be ashamed of how his party has sold out to the religious nuts, racists, and corporatists.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:53 pm#69, Chris L,
You asked: "Should doctors who provide abortions be punished? Should abortion be criminalized?"
James Carville, in a book released a couple years ago, cited that >88% of the American public want to restrict abortion to situations of health of the mother, rape and incest. I would add viability of the fetus to that list.
If abortions were restricted to the list above, and a doctor / patient violate that restriction then:
1) doctor should lose his / her license
December 30th, 2007 at 6:54 pm2) doctor should be prosecuted and sentenced in accordance with existing euthanasia laws
3) patient should be prosecuted and sentenced in accordance with conspiracy / aiding in euthanasia laws
It doesn’t matter how long you’ve been here. The ONLY good thing about Ron Paul is that he wants us out of Iraq, and that’s not the ONLY thing this country needs.
Comment by Zooey
Now I know for a fact you have not studied the facts but are just repeating falsehoods like a bush bot...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1105693275265493367&hl=en
December 30th, 2007 at 6:55 pmI guess it’s no surprise that a blog such as Think Progress attracts so many uneducated leftists. I think I’m going to have to go to a conservative blog so I can engage thinkers.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
I knew what the platform was. But they governed like people you would like.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:55 pmLooks like Rudy G. is an extreme leftist.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:56 pmhttp://www.amconmag.com/
I think I’m going to have to go to a conservative blog so I can engage thinkers.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
You do that, babes. Tooodles.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:56 pmNot as hilarious as you thinking Nazis were on the left. :-D
Comment by Zooey
The nazis most certainly was not left...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1105693275265493367&hl=en
December 30th, 2007 at 6:57 pmSorry wayne but I have been on ThinkProgress for several years… I have donated to ThinkProgress.org… have you?
Comment by ggibson1 — December 30, 2007 @ 6:49 pm
You want to support a racist piece of crap like Paul, be my guest.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:58 pmIt will just prove you are one too.
#95 - Get that accepted as a party plank and run it past the American people.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:59 pmNow I know for a fact you have not studied the facts but are just repeating falsehoods like a bush bot…
Comment by ggibson1 — December 30, 2007 @ 6:55 pm
You know that for a "fact," do you? You've gone around the bend.
December 30th, 2007 at 6:59 pmLet’s face it, the left and right in America are going to come to blows.
Comment by Perry logan — December 30, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
December 30th, 2007 at 7:00 pmIf that's true , the right has absolutely no shot ; they are all cowards and feeble little fools who want others to fight for them.
Check out all the "College Republicans" who are all for war(s) , so long as they don't have to grab a gun and join in..........
Got it?
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
I got the part that you are an ignorant fckwit. Now run off a and flaunt your ignorance elsewhere.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:00 pmThe only sure way of decreasing the number of abortions is to decrease the number of pregnancies.
The most effective way to decrease the number of pregnancies is by teaching safe sex and contraception. Abstinence only teaching has not decreased the number of pregnancies. It has had the opposite effect.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:02 pmThey did. I believe that Sens. Gore, Fulbright, Heflin, Byrd, Hollings, and other Democrats who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act died or continue to be Democrats.
Given that a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats in both the House and Senate voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act, wouldn’t it be odd for racist Democrats to jump ship to the GOP, which had demonstrated a greater commitment to civil rights?
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 6:54 pm
You're numbers are misleading. The Democrats had like a 100 seat advantage in the House and like a 30+ seat advantage in the Senate.
Most of the congressman and women who voted for the legislation were Democrats. Most of the people who voted against the legislation were from the South and party affiliation didn't matter.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:02 pmComment by Jason M. Hendler — December 30, 2007 @ 6:54 pm
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Thanks for being on topic! How do we know if the woman is raped? If she accuses a man of rape, and he is found not guilty in a court of law, do we then punish the doctor who performed the abortion? Who decides the viability of the fetus? If the doctor claims the fetus is not viable, but then another doctor reviews it later and says the fetus was viable, what then? How long should a woman spend in prison for having an abortion? Also, Roe v Wade was based on the right to privacy, so we would have to re-evaluate that law. Then there is the issue of state's rights, as most states had abortion laws on the books prior to Roe v Wade. Are you starting to see what a quagmire this would be?
December 30th, 2007 at 7:02 pm#106 – Perhaps you would explain why the south changed from blue to red and why the KKK turned republican.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:05 pmWhen did Robert Byrd join the GOP?
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
When Hell Froze Over. He did apologize to the world for his racist Past.
Does Nixon's "Southern Strategy" ring a bell with you???
December 30th, 2007 at 7:05 pmComment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
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Is Rudy G left-wing?
December 30th, 2007 at 7:06 pmhttp://www.amconmag.com/
You know the Nazis wanted to attract the worker vote, you know.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:06 pmGood golly, you forget that the Southern Strategy became the strategy of the Republicans who sought to attract the racist vote.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:07 pmMany of the Southern Democrats became Republicans, but I'm sure history is liberally biased and that this is a myth and that the real racists are Democrats and liberals, right?
December 30th, 2007 at 7:07 pmWell your god ain't doing much to help in Darfur either. He's too busy in Iraq helping his cronies profit...
December 30th, 2007 at 7:08 pmAnd during the 60’s many Democrats fought hard to defeat the
1964 Civil Rights Act
1965 Voting Rights Acts
1972 Equal Employment Opportunity Act
http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/3554.html
Comment by good_golly — December 30, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
You should say Democrats in the South and republicans for the matter.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:08 pmGiven that a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats in both the House and Senate voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act -Manslag
Well, this is off topic. But it was not the congress that introduced the civil rights bill, but President Kennedy. Its true that a slightly higher percentage of Republicans voted for it but it was pushed thru congress and the house by Democratic presidents and was signed into law by Johnson,a democrat.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:08 pmWell, good_golly, since the dems are a bunch of racists, I guess the republicans can count on the Hispanic and African-American vote this next November. I'm sure the minorities are the base of the republican party.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:08 pmI love how people like good_golly seek to excuse the GOP's lack of commitment to civil rights and voting rights by pointing fingers at the Democrats. Sure, the Democrats take the vote for granted, but to good_golly, this is much worse than suppressing the African-American vote.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:09 pmYou know the Nazis wanted to attract the worker vote, you know.
Comment by ucsbclassics53 — December 30, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
Exactly.
But it's lost on "Manslagt." He stopped reading at National Socialist Party.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:10 pmYes, the GOP should also apologize for suppressing the African-American vote and for using subtle but racist overtones in their campaigns like that ad against Harold Ford Jr.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:10 pmMCMetal:
“If that’s true , the right has absolutely no shot ; they are all cowards and feeble little fools who want others to fight for them.
Check out all the “College Republicans†who are all for war(s) , so long as they don’t have to grab a gun and join in……….â€
I can point to just as many Democrats who supported a war but refused to serve. Max Blumenthal, for example, is the effeminate punk who made the video concerning the College Republicans and Iraq. However, Blumenthal did not enlist to serve in Afghanistan, even though he has said he supported our military action there. I guarantee you that most of the moonbats on this blog have the same position.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
Do you believe supporting a "military action" is the equivalent of backing and supporting an idiotic and illegal invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation that had not attacked , threatened or provoked us ?
Oh , of course you do ; you are one of the ignoramuses that believes the worst president in US history in Chimpy is some sort of "fearless leader" and true "war president"....
BTW
December 30th, 2007 at 7:11 pmI was also referring to someone like yourself if it came down to fisticuffs ; you'd last about as long as the "tough guys" in this administration , who received daily "visits" from a gay male prostitute..........
Here's and idea - kick the racists out of both parties and see what happens.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:13 pmYou want to support a racist piece of crap like Paul, be my guest.
It will just prove you are one too.
Comment by Wayne
Prove it wayne... prove it...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qfx0mCW494
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gUfZJcJi_A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ji_Ft23BDw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gKXyBgr24c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO6Mg7hBt8I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X15j4P0SUJs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6se9_wCZ2z0
December 30th, 2007 at 7:14 pmPresident Clinton sent 20, 000 troops to protect the white citizens of Europe’s Bosnia, but sent no troops to Africa’s Rwanda to protect the black citizens there. Consequently over 800,000 Africans were massacre
During the 2003 Democratic Primary debates, the Rev. Al Sharpton, said the Democrat take the black vote for granted and treat African American like a mistress. They [Democrats} will take us to the dance, but they don’t want to take us home to meet mama.â€
http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/3554.html
Comment by good_golly — December 30, 2007 @ 7:07 pm
And Clinton said what happened in Rwanda was his greatest failure during his presidency. I think he thought the racists in the republican party would never allow Whites in the military to potentially die for Brown people who had no oil.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:14 pmBut let’s get back on topic. Why are leftists so much in favor of murdering unborn babies for convenience? Try using birth control or better yet, abstinence rather than recklessly getting pregnant and then murdering your offspring.
Comment by good_golly — December 30, 2007 @ 7:11 pm
There is nothing more reckless than an imbecile like yourself proclaiming that abstinence is some sort of effective method to prevent unwanted pregnancies/abortions ; the statistics simply say otherwise , and you'd be better off peddling your stupid crap elsewhere.......
December 30th, 2007 at 7:15 pmLeftists are for making Abortions Safe, Accesible, and RARE.
The country with the LOWEST Abortion rate is the Netherlands, followed closely by Belgium....countries that have excellent Universal Health Care and family planning services coupled with COMPLETE sex education programs for their youth.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:16 pmAmerica's abortion rate is shamefully high , thanks to poor health care and poor education .
138 - Fine with me.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:17 pmMCMetal:
“Do you believe supporting a “military action†is the equivalent of backing and supporting an idiotic and illegal invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation that had not attacked , threatened or provoked us ?â€
Are you referring to Kosovo?
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:13 pm
Did 1 million people perish in Kosovo after Clinton intervened , you moron ?
And is there the type of unrest there that is in Iraq ?
You Chimpy leg humpers are ridiculously and intentionally ignorant.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:17 pmThe whole lot of you should never be allowed to vote again.......
But let’s get back on topic. Why are leftists so much in favor of murdering unborn babies for convenience? -Good Golly
Thats your perceived notion given unto you by the projectionist pundits. Why is the moral majority that claims to follow the words of Jesus pray for war and death?
December 30th, 2007 at 7:18 pm....And this is just the beginning of the demented mind of Huckabee! What a can of worms he's got for brains.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:19 pmBTW, Clinton’s greatest failure was letting bin Laden escape to a safe haven in Afghanistan.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
December 30th, 2007 at 7:20 pmIt's a good thing your retarded simian deity has captured him though , isn't it , skid mark ?
I see Good Golly Troll is barfing up our threads. Nothing but sheer nonsense and troll drivel will occur with that eejit around! Later TP buddies. No point attempting intelligent conversation when a troll this moronic is hijacking the thread.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:21 pmMCMetal:
“Did 1 million people perish in Kosovo after Clinton intervened , you moron ?â€
Your post made no reference to people who perished, little fella. Kosovo, however, was illegal and lacked congressional and UN approval.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Show us all where the UN has approved of Chimpy's Idiotic Iraq Adventure , you sorry little pissant ....................
December 30th, 2007 at 7:22 pmBTW, Clinton’s greatest failure was letting bin Laden escape to a safe haven in Afghanistan.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
Bushes greatest failure was letting him escape to Iraq and Pakistan
December 30th, 2007 at 7:22 pmIt’s not misleading. It’s a fact. Only 69 percent of Democrats (46 for, 21 against) in the Senate voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act as compared to 82 percent of Republicans (27 for, 6 against). All southern Democrats voted against the act. In the House, just 61 percent of Democrats (152 for, 96 against) voted for the act compared to 80 percent of Republicans (138 for, 34 against). Democrats may have had a majority in both houses, but LBJ relied on Republicans, led by Everett Dirksen of Illinois, to get the bill through the Senate. Senate Democrats actually filibustered the bill for 74 days.
And, contrary to what has asserted here, the vast majority of those Democrats either died or continue to be Democrats.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
Most of the people who voted for the legislation were Democrats. The republicans had a higher percentage because of their abysmal numbers in the Congress and they had virtually no congressmen in the South. Most congressmen in the North whether they were Democrat or republican voted for the legislation. And virtually all of the Congressmen in South whether they were Democrat or republican voted against the legislation.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:22 pmI see he's hijacked the Huckabee thread to a dissertation of Al Gore Sr. Be smarter people - don't permit this fool to manipulate you. Flag him and ditch the thread.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:22 pmBadger:
“Leftists are for making Abortions Safe, Accesible, and RARE.â€
It’s difficult to characterize a procedure as safe when at least half the people involved die.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:21 pm
December 30th, 2007 at 7:24 pmThat is simply only a claim made by someone based upon their own limited moronic and religious values ; not scientific fact and study(s).
I'll stick with the SCOTUS' decision and scientific fact ; not some stupid assertion made by an imbecile that believes Shrub to be a great president........
It’s difficult to characterize a procedure as safe when at least half the people involved die.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:21 pm
A fetus is not a person.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:24 pmNow that's some smooth maneuver - converting the topic from clueless Huckleberry to Al Gore Sr. Nothing relevant can come of anything further here - this moron is intent on living in the past.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:24 pmHuckabee can sing this tune all he wants, its a political canard now and has been. You cant be pro-life while being pro-war.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:24 pmGood idea. When David Duke attempted to run for federal office as a Republican, the GOP told him that their tent was not big enough for him. When will the Democrats do the same with Robert KKK Byrd?
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
Byrd denounced his racist past. Those who didn't, became republicans.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:25 pmI see that while I've been productively building gumbo, some of you have been trying to argue with manslagt and golly_wolly. You would get better results trying to train a chihuahua not to fart. They're only here for attention, which they get by derailing actual discussions and trying (often successfully) to get the progressives riled up with stupid, off-topic and pointless repetition. We've already heard all the "Nazis were leftists" and "Democrats were racists" crap repeatedly, especially here in the last few weeks. They just post the same stupid comments over and over, regardless of what anyone else writes. Why bother to respond at all?
December 30th, 2007 at 7:25 pmHey Zooey! Happy New Year! Happy Holidays to you! I guess since the Repukes are getting desperate they're sending out anyone moronic enough to be a stooge for them?? What shall we turn the thread into since it's already been hijacked?? How about New Year's Resolutions?? Anyone??
December 30th, 2007 at 7:26 pmThis thread is gone...
December 30th, 2007 at 7:26 pmtime for my chocolate recipe..
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#153 - please stop excusing the bigoted Demorcatic Party. It’s disgusting and the foolish blacks are clueless on it.
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate — December 30, 2007 @ 7:24 pm
Are you one of those bitter Dixiecrats?
December 30th, 2007 at 7:26 pmMCMetal:
“It’s a good thing your retarded simian deity has captured him though , isn’t it , skid mark ?â€
It’s one thing to refuse bin Laden when he is offered on a silver platter and quite another when he is hidden in a vast mountainous area. If capturing bin Laden were an easy thing, Clinton would have done it. He had eight years. Clinton couldn’t even find Eric Rudolph and he was in our own country.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:24 pm
December 30th, 2007 at 7:27 pmThat is simply a lie , concocted by the GOP and that garbage site , NewsCrap .
There has never been any substantiated proof/fact , that that is in any way true......
Clinton couldn’t even find Eric Rudolph and he was in our own country.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:24 pm
Funny that the Iran-Contra GOP bunch didnt have a problem finding those freedom fighters friends of yours we now call terrorists.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:27 pmOur cluster of cells who overheard his mom's plan to abort him named Manslagt appears to have his panties in a wad over what constitutes "life". Yet he's the same one who's a proponent of war and ruthless killing.....gotta love the hypocrisy.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:27 pmZooey:
“A fetus is not a person.â€
Given that life begins at conception, a fetus is indeed a living human being. Denying that might make you feel good, just as denying Jews were human made the Nazis feel better, and denying that blacks were human comforted the slave traders.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
December 30th, 2007 at 7:28 pmNo , douchebag , that's a guppy .
It is simply a claim made by a Chimpy backing moron that it is a human being.
Huckabee might lose some of the womens' vote with his Nuremberg trials for abortionists shtick.
-GDF
December 30th, 2007 at 7:28 pmGSD
December 30th, 2007 at 7:28 pmComment by Veritas — December 30, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
Happy New Year, Veritas. :-)
TP is scraping the bottom of the barrel for these dumb-assed trolls. I resolve to spend even more time at the Zoo, revealing and countering the hypocrisy of the right.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:28 pmX: Funny how they also thought that Osama bin Laden was worthy of training when the CIA hired him to drive the Russians out of Afghanistan, isn't it?
December 30th, 2007 at 7:28 pmWill the petri dish please take the stand?
-GSD
December 30th, 2007 at 7:29 pmIf you truly value life, why not give the life of the unborn the benefit of the doubt? Comment by good_golly — December 30, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
Drop the canard already.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:30 pmIf Bin Laden was wearing a blue dress with Bill Clinton's semen on it the GOP would have found him 7 years ago.
-GSD
December 30th, 2007 at 7:30 pmIt’s difficult to characterize a procedure as safe when at least half the people involved die.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:21 pm
Until they can breath on their own outside the womb, they're not a person.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:31 pmGiven that life begins at conception, a fetus is indeed a living human being.
Tell you what, as soon as a 9 week fetus can survive on its own outside my body, it's survives only at my will.
Denying that might make you feel good, just as denying Jews were human made the Nazis feel better, and denying that blacks were human comforted the slave traders.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
And the whack-job troll spins off into an alternate world of his own...
December 30th, 2007 at 7:31 pmXisithrus:
“Funny that the Iran-Contra GOP bunch didnt have a problem finding those freedom fighters friends of yours we now call terrorists.â€
Wow, that was ignorant. We helped the Afghan nationals, not the Afghan Arabs.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
December 30th, 2007 at 7:31 pmFunny how you GOP rim licking twits have no problem with clandestine and illegal deals being made when it's the garbage GOP behind them..........
Wow, that was ignorant. We helped the Afghan nationals, not the Afghan Arabs. Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
They didnt give a rats ass about the Arabs, besides your forgetting Osama is a Saudi Arab.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:31 pmZooey: I will resolve to do that as well. In fact, I visited yesterday and found that the calibre and content of all articles posted there are far superior to this blog. I visit TP very infrequently - because it's become a cesspool of troll blather where respectable individuals find themselves dialoguing with imbeciles who have absolutely nothing credible or relevant to say.
TP and it's cadre of trolls has definitely diminished in terms of intelligent repartee over the past couple of months. It's moving to the bottom of the blogland list because of troll infestation.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:32 pmHe said white n*ggers. It was actually kind out funny.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:32 pmThat's right X - OBL is a Saudi (House of Saud/House of Bush) one in the same?? Pappy Bush and Carlyle Group - one in the same. OBL on CIA payroll - one in the same????
December 30th, 2007 at 7:33 pmWhat a patronizing thing to call 90% of African-Americans 'foolish'.
Sounds like racist paternalism to me.
-GSD
December 30th, 2007 at 7:33 pmIf life begins at conception then we must assume that sperm ls a living human being just as an egg is.
And you, manslagt, have murdered billions of babies in your dreams and in the shower.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:33 pm#188 Your comment isn't even logical not to mention credible. Flake off, cell cluster.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:33 pmYes, Saddam Hussein, the Taliban, and al Qaeda were all as innocent as unborn children.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:32 pm
Anybody got a match? I'm in the mood for a strawman fire.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:34 pmPost #189 is for Manslagt.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:34 pmX: Gotta run but "great gotcha" on the piss-soaked troll! Bravo and Kudos, friend. Happy New Year!
December 30th, 2007 at 7:34 pmZygotes for Huckabee 2008.
-GSD
December 30th, 2007 at 7:34 pmWow, that was ignorant. We helped the Afghan nationals, not the Afghan Arabs.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
Point 1. Afghans are NOT Arabs.
Point 2. Arabs , funded by our friends the Saudi's, travelled to Afghanistan to conduct jihad against the Soviets, and in many cases LEAD the mujahhadin.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:35 pmParting shot: Correction to #197: I meant to say "sperm soaked troll".....ROTFL
December 30th, 2007 at 7:35 pmYes, Saddam Hussein, the Taliban, and al Qaeda were all as innocent as unborn children. Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:32 pm
Now that was an ignorant thing to say. Our technology and guided weapons dont know a Taliban from an innocent.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:35 pmHNY Veritas.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:36 pmIt’s moving to the bottom of the blogland list because of troll infestation.
Comment by Veritas — December 30, 2007 @ 7:32 pm
It got better for a while, but sadly TP has gone off the rails again.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:36 pmIf killing sperm is murder I have a towel under my bed that could get me into the dock at the Hague for genocide.
-GSD
December 30th, 2007 at 7:37 pmXisithrus:
“They didnt give a rats ass about the Arabs, besides your forgetting Osama is a Saudi Arab.â€
Actually, the bin Ladens were originally from Yemen. But you’re demonstrating your gross ignorance by not knowing what an Afghan Arab was.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:34 pm
As opposed to the veritable "fountain of information" your retarded simian hero is , who didn't even know that there is 3 different main groups/sects of people in a country he stupidly and illegally invaded ?
What is wrong with you losers ?
December 30th, 2007 at 7:37 pmWhere in the hell do you get off questioning other's intelligence , when the moron you still blindly and stupidly support is not only the worst president in US history , but also the least intelligent and least articulate .........?
Actually, the bin Ladens were originally from Yemen. But you’re demonstrating your gross ignorance by not knowing what an Afghan Arab was.
Comment by Manslagt
The point was, and is, that they used the Arabs, from whatever region, to fight communism which has led to more extremism today.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:37 pmYes, Saddam Hussein, the Taliban, and al Qaeda were all as innocent as unborn children.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:32 pm
I don't consider a first trimester fetus life. It's potential life but it's not life.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:38 pmIf killing sperm is murder I have a towel under my bed that could get me into the dock at the Hague for genocide.
-GSD
Comment by GSD — December 30, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
December 30th, 2007 at 7:38 pmROFLMAO.....Now that's some funny shit.
If killing sperm is murder I have a towel under my bed that could get me into the dock at the Hague for genocide.
-GSD
Every sperm is sacred....
December 30th, 2007 at 7:39 pmThen at what point does the fetus become a life? The first trimester plus one day?
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
a fetus becomes a baby when it draws it's first breath.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:41 pmYou can look it up.
Nat:
“I don’t consider a first trimester fetus life. It’s potential life but it’s not life.â€
Then at what point does the fetus become a life? The first trimester plus one day?
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
December 30th, 2007 at 7:42 pmIt is the "life" of a guppy for the 1st 4 months or so , according to SCIENTIFIC STUDY ; now piss off with your weak ass argument.....
The SCOTUS and SCIENTIFIC STUDY carries a lot more weight than a Chimpy leg humping fool's contention........
They [Afghanis] are referred to as Pashtuns manslagt.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:43 pm"President Clinton sent 20, 000 troops to protect the white citizens of Europe’s Bosnia, but sent no troops to Africa’s Rwanda to protect the black citizens there. Consequently over 800,000 Africans were massacred…"
I just cannot let that go. The Bosnian conflict simply cannot be distilled down to a requirement to 'protect white citizens,' as the most severely impacted group in the conflict were actually ethnic Muslims. Not your everyday 'white people,' in your unfortunate parlance.
And easily twice the number of Iraqis of several ethnicities have died—by conservative estimates—including Shia, Sunni, Kurds, Christians, Jews, Turkomen, Tajiks and others since our intervention in Iraq, as the number of Rwandans who died when the world failed to intervene. A genocide and tragedy to be sure, as is the crisis in Darfur. Both of which can be credited to the Bush administration. Given the numbers, what's your point?
December 30th, 2007 at 7:44 pmThere used to be a troop of radical street perfomers in Boston who used to chant:
All we are saying is fetus pate'.
Don't know what it meant, but it drove the fundagelicals into a mouth breathing rage.
-GSD
December 30th, 2007 at 7:44 pmThen at what point does the fetus become a life? The first trimester plus one day?
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
At viability which is around 5 months I think.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:46 pmSo you believe a fetus can be aborted up until the moment it draws its firth breath? Before you limited the fetus’ status as not being alive to the first trimester. Have you changed your mind?
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
No, I have not stated what I believe about the limits of abortion. You're putting words in my mouth. I have simply stated the medical difference between fetus and baby.
Where did I say a fetus was "not alive" in the first trimester? I'll tell you where -- nowhere. Because I did not say that.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:48 pmSo you believe a fetus can be aborted up until the moment it draws its firth breath? Before you limited the fetus’ status as not being alive to the first trimester. Have you changed your mind?
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
It doesn't matter. You can't abort a fetus in the third trimester unless the life of the mother is in danger.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:49 pmSome of them are. -manslagt
Your wrong, again. They are the dominant ethnic group in Afghanistan.
The Pashtuns gained world-wide attention following the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 and with the rise and fall of the Taliban, since they were the main ethnic contingent in the movement.--wikipedia
December 30th, 2007 at 7:50 pmWho do the religious right think they are to dictate to ALL when the begging of life begins? For the most part don't most of us, EXCEPT for Christians, respect others right to believe in what they wish?
December 30th, 2007 at 7:50 pmAND.... how did the religious right hijack, manipulate, twist the procedure of what we now call partial birth abortion and exploit this for their gain? This procedure used to be done due to very rare grave and unfortunate situations, but somehow the religious nuts grabbed it for their gain.
What will you do if Obama becomes president? After all, his simian features are far more pronounced than Bush’s.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
Hes related to Cheney.
Obama is related to Cheney through Mareen Duvall, a 17th century immigrant from France.
Mareen and Susannah Duvall were Obama's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents and Cheney's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents.
BWAH
December 30th, 2007 at 7:52 pmAre you now saying that you believe in Darwinism manslagt?
December 30th, 2007 at 7:53 pm#111, Chris L,
The general topic of homocide is a quagmire, so a subset like abortion is also expected to be, but those issues have been resolved in other instances of homocide, so their are correlaries in current law.
We shouldn't allow eugenics just because mitigating circumstances may exist. Homocide was broken down into degrees, as well as manslaughter and justifiable homocide by law enforcement and military, so I am certain that trial law will establish a similar set of conditions and degrees of crime and punishment. The standards set for "rape" and "viability" will be established through legislative and judicial processes, so you needn't worry about us finding our way.
December 30th, 2007 at 7:54 pmleft - right - left - right - left - right... brain washing... generations of it...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1105693275265493367&hl=en
December 30th, 2007 at 7:56 pmComment by good_golly — December 30, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
When did you take your first breath?
December 30th, 2007 at 7:57 pmI took my first breath after I was born, on my birthday, and they also cut my life line [umbilical cord]
I think they were trying to kill me. =)
December 30th, 2007 at 7:59 pm233. When will you take your last?
Comment by good_golly — December 30, 2007 @ 8:00 pm
good golly wants to be there for the event.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:01 pmWhen will you take your last?
Comment by good_golly
When my soul goes to heaven.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:01 pmSay, good golly, do we breathe in heaven?
December 30th, 2007 at 8:02 pmSo if my soul goes to heaven then life is not material then, right?
December 30th, 2007 at 8:02 pmThe definition of “viability†is changing each year Nat. It used to be around 6.5 months, then 6, then 5.5, now around 5. So are you saying that your definition of “life†depends upon our scientific progress. If we can keep a baby alive outside of the womb it is a life, but if it has not yet reached that point it is fair game?
As technology advances, viability will decrease. It won't change my opinion about abortion though. A fetus shouldn't take precedence over the women who's carrying it.
What if a killer shoots a pregnant woman killing both her and her 4 month old “fetus� Is that double murder in your view, or just one murder plus a “fetus�
I don't know. I guess it would depend on whether the women was planning on carrying the fetus to term.
How about an adult that cannot breath on her own anymore? Can we kill her too?
Comment by good_golly — December 30, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
Does she have brain activity?
December 30th, 2007 at 8:03 pmWow, congratulations trolls, you took over another thread and ran it off the rails. The RNC will be very proud of you.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:06 pmNot knowing when you or I will take our last breath, and not knowing for sure when life begins, why not give the unborn child the benefit of the doubt?
Comment by good_golly — December 30, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
Why not give the benefit of the doubt to the woman, for knowing what her life circumstances are, and whether or not she can carry the pregnancy, and then care for the child?
Trust women. The world will be a better place.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:06 pm225. What if I held a religious belief that life doesn’t begin until the child can live on its own, say around 9 yrs. old or so. Would you “respect others right to believe in what they wish?â€
Comment by good_golly — December 30, 2007 @ 7:55 pm
This has already been established with the Roe v. Wade decision.
If a person has a belief like that, they can always try to change the law.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:09 pm#245, Zooey,
You mean, trust a woman with a subject like abortion, like we should trust all these women who have sex with the children they teach? Do you mean, trust those women, American women?
December 30th, 2007 at 8:10 pm225. What if I held a religious belief that life doesn’t begin until the child can live on its own, say around 9 yrs. old or so. Would you “respect others right to believe in what they wish?â€
Comment by good_golly —
December 30th, 2007 at 8:11 pmare we getting a bit ridiculous?
245. Why stop there? What if a woman with a two week old child discovers what her life circumstances are and decides that she cannot care for the child? Do you oppose her “freedom of choice†to kill the baby?
Comment by good_golly — December 30, 2007 @ 8:11 pm
Good god, you're stupid.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:13 pm240. You confuse me Nat. What if the fetus has brain activity?
Comment by good_golly — December 30, 2007 @ 8:05 pm
Then it's a fetus with brain activity.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:15 pmWhat trolls? All I see is TP regulars.
Comment by Frank M
Francine, go look in the mirror. What you will see looking back at you is a troll. Don't flatter yourself by thinking that you are "one of the regulars". You are a "regular" only by virtue of the fact that you stop by here pretty much every day to stink up the place. I pity you.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:16 pmYou mean, trust a woman with a subject like abortion, like we should trust all these women who have sex with the children they teach? Do you mean, trust those women, American women?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — December 30, 2007 @ 8:10 pm
I see how your brain mis-fires, Jason. A few women have committed crimes by having sex with children, so let's not trust ANY women. Yep, all women are guilty by association.
By the way, men have been committing sex crimes against women and children for thousands of years, but you don't have a problem trusting men.
F_ckwit.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:17 pmGood god, you’re stupid.
Comment by Zooey
That has been evident since the second or third post it has made on this subject. So why are you engaging it?
December 30th, 2007 at 8:17 pmI will say one thing... the abortion issue gets the trolls out here.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:17 pmI would like to know since many are out:
Why is it those against abortion are also against programs promoting the general welfare of the children once they are born? I can only assume it is to keep them poor so they will join the military and fight your crusades.
250. Intentionally so, “had,†in order to point out the ridiculous positions taken by those who favor the woman’s choice to kill her baby or “fetus†as you prefer.
Comment by good_golly — December 30, 2007 @ 8:15 pm
They're not killing a baby. Anyway, if you're against abortion, by all means don't have one.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:18 pmThat has been evident since the second or third post it has made on this subject. So why are you engaging it?
Comment by bilbobaggins — December 30, 2007 @ 8:17 pm
Because I feel like it. Why do you engage trolls?
December 30th, 2007 at 8:19 pmAmerican religionists cry crocodile tears for fetuses while calling for more bombing in Iraq.
-GSD
December 30th, 2007 at 8:19 pmWhy is it those against abortion are also against programs promoting the general welfare of the children once they are born? I can only assume it is to keep them poor so they will join the military and fight your crusades.
Comment by had enough
They love the fetus and hate the child. They want to force women to bear children they can't afford and then when the woman can't afford to feed and clothe the child they say "too bad so sad". And you are correct, I suspect the reason why most neocons are anti choice is because they don't want to see all that cannon fodder flushed down the drain. Since a very large part of our all volunteer army are children from poor families who join the military in a desperate attempt to find a way out of their poverty, they don't want to see women abort the potential cannon fodder.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:21 pmThere is a jizm holocaust going on right now.
Please go to the nearest locked bedroom door and knock to put an end to it.
-GSD
December 30th, 2007 at 8:21 pmBecause I feel like it. Why do you engage trolls?
Comment by Zooey
Because I feel like it. But not for 200 posts. Once it becomes apparent that engaging a particular troll is like talking to a brick wall, I stop banging my head on the brick wall.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:22 pm247. Nat. We know what the current state of the law is. That is not the debate here, as we also know that law has changed in the past and can change in the future. Are you saying that if the Supreme Court reversed Roe v. Wade you would just go along with it and agree?
Comment by good_golly — December 30, 2007 @ 8:12 pm
No. The Supreme Court shouldn't be allowed to restrict the rights of any person.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:22 pmSimply calling a baby a “fetus†doesn’t make it any less of a human life?
Comment by good_golly — December 30, 2007 @ 8:19 pm
A fetus is potential life; it's not life.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:24 pm#256, Zooey,
My point is, we have laws for those few who can't / don't make the right decisions, and they apply to women too.
It must kill you that you can't use your American female victim status, when unborn children are more helpless than yourself.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:24 pmWithout just throwing out insults Zooey, please explain why you draw the line where you draw it. And if it is simply because that is where the Supreme Court said the line could be drawn in Roe v. Wade and its progeny, will you agree to change your position if the Supreme Court changes its position?
Comment by good_golly — December 30, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
If a woman chooses to have an abortion, that's her business, and she should be able to get a safe abortion.
If the SCOTUS overturns Roe v. Wade, I will not change my position. I have a mind of my own, and just because the court might overturn a decision doesn't mean I have to agree.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:24 pmThe American left cries crocodile tears for the civil rights of terrorists, while supporting the so-called “right†to kill millions of babies for their own selfish convenience. If only they cared as much about babies as they do the terrorists.
Comment by good_golly — December 30, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
No matter how many times you say it, it's not life.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:24 pmGolly, don't go getting an abortion.
-GSD
December 30th, 2007 at 8:27 pm#256, Zooey,
My point is, we have laws for those few who can’t / don’t make the right decisions, and they apply to women too.
It must kill you that you can’t use your American female victim status, when unborn children are more helpless than yourself.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — December 30, 2007 @ 8:24 pm
Something growing inside a woman doesn't take precedence over the woman itself.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:27 pmAnother question to the frenzied antiabortion nuts I see here:
December 30th, 2007 at 8:28 pmDid you know the repug party is making a fool of you? Abortion is never going to be settled...it is needed as a wedge issue to divert attention from the real issues... abortion issues have been around for years.. always well be. Pathetic to see you play into the hands, be used by your own party.
Because I feel like it. But not for 200 posts. Once it becomes apparent that engaging a particular troll is like talking to a brick wall, I stop banging my head on the brick wall.
Comment by bilbobaggins — December 30, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
Maybe you haven't noticed, but I'm not the only one commenting here, AND I am currently fairly close to the topic of the thread.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:28 pmMy point is, we have laws for those few who can’t / don’t make the right decisions, and they apply to women too.
It must kill you that you can’t use your American female victim status, when unborn children are more helpless than yourself.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — December 30, 2007 @ 8:24 pm
That was a bullshit point.
MY American female victim status? You're delusional. Just because you hate women, doesn't mean all women buy into your idiotic ideas.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:30 pmMCMetal:
What will you do if Obama becomes president? After all, his simian features are far more pronounced than Bush’s.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
December 30th, 2007 at 8:37 pmIf he's anywhere near as awful and criminal as your "fearless leader" has been , I will suggest he share the same "cage" in the Hague that should house Chimpy , skid mark........
#276, Nat,
A fetus is an individual who deserves protection / nurturing. If a pregnancy threatens the health / life of the mother, ONLY THEN does the woman's needs necessarily come before the fetus.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:38 pmGood night all. I’ll leave you leftist “yes men†(and women) to youselves to simply agree with each other all night long.
Comment by good_golly — December 30, 2007 @ 8:26 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah , as opposed to all you "rugged individualists" and "independent thinkers" that are laden throughout the GOP/Chimpy backing landscape........LOL
December 30th, 2007 at 8:39 pmLoser.
#276, Nat,
A fetus is an individual who deserves protection / nurturing. If a pregnancy threatens the health / life of the mother, ONLY THEN does the woman’s needs necessarily come before the fetus.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — December 30, 2007 @ 8:38 pm
December 30th, 2007 at 8:41 pmA fetus is a guppy ; not a human being.
And show us your medical qualifications to be making the idiotic assertion you're claiming ; if not , shut the hell up you Bible-thumping twit..........
If a pregnancy threatens the health / life of the mother, ONLY THEN does the woman’s needs necessarily come before the fetus.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — December 30, 2007 @ 8:38 pm
Wrong. The woman is a living member of this society, most likely with other living children who depend on her.
The woman's needs ALWAYS come first.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:42 pmHey Jason, you smug little prick:
My mom, now deceased, was dating a guy back in the '60s, after my father died. She became pregnant by this fellow and subsequently learned that he was married (after he had asked her to marry him). I was 4 y.o. at the time.
After admitting that he was married, the fellow told my mom to meet 2 fellows on a street corner in ton, and that they would "take care of the problem".
She was driven to a house in the country, where these two goons gave her a coat hanger abortion. She told me that she wished she would have died, but that she had my sister and I to think about. at that time, we lived in government housing projects in Washington DC.
My mother related this information to me when I was 40 years old.
I have only this to say in relation to your comments: May your wishes regarding legalized abortion come to pass, and may your sister or daughter undergo the dangerous and horrific procedure my mother did. It would be just and fitting.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:42 pmComment by Marcus Aurelius — December 30, 2007 @ 8:42 pm
Thank goodness your mother survived that horror, Marcus. I'm so sorry she ever had to go through that.
This is the future that Jason, good golly, Manslagt, and others advocate for. It's truly sickening.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:45 pmIt's becoming increasingly clear that most of Huckabee's celebrated weight loss came from the region above his neck.
December 30th, 2007 at 8:51 pmThanks, Zooey.
I actually remember the period of my life when this series of events transpired, largely due to the fact than my mom told us she wouldn't be getting married.
When she told me about the experience, she was in her 70s, and I could clearly see the stress in her face (the story was more extensive than I care, or have time, to go into).
Hendler, the little Nazi, is completely wrong, for many reasons. The real reason abortion should be legal is that it is none of the government's freekin' business what's inside a woman's body that she wants removed (all other arguments are secondary). You'd think a "conservative" would understand this.
Sometimes, I wish I knew Hendler personally.
December 30th, 2007 at 9:01 pmIt’s becoming increasingly clear that most of Huckabee’s celebrated weight loss came from the region above his neck.
Comment by bogtrotters — December 30, 2007 @ 8:51 pm
December 30th, 2007 at 9:02 pmIt is quite remarkable how much excrement can be lodged into an empty skull , isn't it ?
Sometimes, I wish I knew Hendler personally.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — December 30, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
December 30th, 2007 at 9:03 pmBecause of a lack of stupid shit that currently exists in your life ?
You moonbats are incredible.
Comment by Manslagt — December 30, 2007 @ 9:02 pm
December 30th, 2007 at 9:05 pmAnd you're incredibly annoying and stupid ..........
Suffice: women are very capable of making decisions concerning their lives. Look up the following: Marie Currie; Rachel Carson; Hypatia of Alexandria just quick examples of women actually proving they have brains and used them to improve all our lives.
December 30th, 2007 at 9:06 pmSometimes, I wish I knew Hendler personally.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — December 30, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
I'm glad you don't. :-)
People who think they ought to be able to control women's bodies never seem to understand that women are more than a vehicle for carrying the next generation. The decision to abort is not an easy decision, but sometimes it is a very necessary decision.
December 30th, 2007 at 9:06 pmComment by Marcus Aurelius
December 30th, 2007 at 9:07 pmMany movies and stories out there resembling what your mother went through. Still,there are too many of the younger generation today that have no clue.
The lessons we should all learn is that if a woman needs an abortion, she will find a way to get it legally or illegally.
Suffice: women are very capable of making decisions concerning their lives. Look up the following: Marie Currie; Rachel Carson; Hypatia of Alexandria just quick examples of women actually proving they have brains and used them to improve all our lives.
Comment by ebbAndflow — December 30, 2007 @ 9:06 pm
Oh heavens, some women have had sex with the children they teach, so none of us are to be trusted with our own wombs.
Just ask Hendler...
December 30th, 2007 at 9:10 pmGots me plenty of stupid shit. I make a really good knuckle sandwich.
December 30th, 2007 at 9:12 pmCorrected: Women are very capable of making decisions concerning their lives.
December 30th, 2007 at 9:13 pmWe probably have the technology to remove and transplant a fetus and placenta into Frank and Jason to carry to term.
December 30th, 2007 at 9:15 pmWe probably have the technology to remove and transplant a fetus and placenta into Frank and Jason to carry to term.
Comment by Dreary Urbanite — December 30, 2007 @ 9:15 pm
Why do you hate the fetus so...? ;)
December 30th, 2007 at 9:16 pm#300 – Sorry Zooey, that would in fact be cruel. Maybe there are some bible humping missionaries that would like an opportunitty to practice what they preach. If funds are low, perhaps smaller and less extravagent churches are in order.
December 30th, 2007 at 9:24 pmWe probably have the technology to remove and transplant a fetus and placenta into Frank and Jason to carry to term.
Comment by Dreary Urbanite — December 30, 2007 @ 9:15 pm
December 30th, 2007 at 9:25 pmThey're more in need of viable working brain matter being transplated into their skulls than a fetus and a placenta being placed somewhere within them.........
If abortion were made illegal, ALL parties involved should be held criminally responsible--the doctor, the woman, and the father of the fetus--ALL parties.
December 30th, 2007 at 9:32 pmManslagt hasn't come up with one relevant fact or truth in this entire thread. That's some serious fascist consistency!
December 30th, 2007 at 9:33 pmShouldn’t the left be interested in stopping Hillary? She is Hitler and she is going to win your party’s nomination and single-handily unite the GOP base to victory in 2008!
-@ 7:23 pm
unfortunately, this is one idea that i have to admit to agreeing to...
December 30th, 2007 at 9:34 pma HUGE fear of mine...
If abortion were made illegal, ALL parties involved should be held criminally responsible–the doctor, the woman, and the father of the fetus–ALL parties.
Comment by Bonnie — December 30, 2007 @ 9:32 pm
Good thing the right will never allow abortion to be abolished. What would they do without it!?
December 30th, 2007 at 9:35 pmtime for my chocolate recipe...
Comment by had enough — December 30, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
are those ingredients stirred before the microwave?
December 30th, 2007 at 9:37 pmor kept as layers, then nuked?
Comment by katy — December 30, 2007 @ 9:34 pm
Hi, katy! Long time, no see. Nice Christmas?
December 30th, 2007 at 9:37 pmRepublicans are racists, right now. The Democrats that were racists 40, 50, hundre years ago are dear and gone, or have apologized and admitted their errors. Nothing of the sort has happened to the perenially-racist Republicans. All the rightards have is the ignorance of the past, without the truth of the present. Not a single argument presented by gg, manhandler, or any other wingnut has any relevance. they're just defensive lies; it's all they know. Their boy Bush allowed, even welcomed Bin Laden to his 9/11 success, and jason Hitler and the rest of the cowards will never live it down. it makes them crazy, and they come here to demonstrate their insanity. it's entertaining, especially given the drubbing they're going to get at the polls for the next several decades.
December 30th, 2007 at 9:37 pmShouldn’t the left be interested in stopping Hillary? She is Hitler and she is going to win your party’s nomination and single-handily unite the GOP base to victory in 2008!
-@ 7:23 pm
The GOP base couldn't elect a dogcatcher. They're done. Stop worrying.
December 30th, 2007 at 9:38 pmIn my experience, the most rabid anti-abortion people are simply anti-sex. As far as they're concerned, a pregnancy is simply punishment for the behavior of women who had the audacity to have a sexual relationship with someone because it was pleasurable. "So, you wanted to have fun and now you'll pay for the next 20+ years." All this blah-de-blah about "unborn babies" is crocodile tears; they demonstrate repeatedly that they have little or no concern for actual children. This is clear by their complete lack of support for public education, child health care . . . anything that would benefit the child post-birth. They think sex is nasty and that people who have sex with joy need to be punished.
Keep in mind that these "pro-life" people are the same people who approve of torture, approve of the death penalty and would be more than happy to put these kids in poor farms where they could be "productive."
December 30th, 2007 at 9:39 pmSteady good people. They're only trolls. Once TP's full staff has returned from holiday, I have a feeling the current trolls will be forced to change identities. Again.
May I suggest an email to Faiz? Something like, "Update your system to include IP's, or, no more donations"?
December 30th, 2007 at 9:40 pmDoesn't the clueless pastor realize that if Roe v Wade were overturned the abortion issue would revert to the individual states? God, this guy really is an idiot.
December 30th, 2007 at 9:41 pmWaterboard the stem cells!
December 30th, 2007 at 9:44 pmI find it astonishing that 300+ posts into the thread, Daryll hasn't spoken up in defense of his anointed savior. Maybe he did get knifed or jailed in Rio?>
December 30th, 2007 at 9:45 pmsingle-handily unite the GOP base to victory in 2008!
-@ 7:23 pm
WTF? Sounds like someone is murdering lil sperm cells single-handily!
December 30th, 2007 at 9:47 pmOutlawing abortion would theoretically (at least in Huck's twisted mind)ensure a larger supply of soldiers for any upcoming jihad that might be "necessary." And if these additional children are born into families that are already strapped financially, the incentive to join the military service would be even that much greater.
December 30th, 2007 at 9:48 pmMaybe he did get knifed or jailed in Rio?>
Comment by RUCerious — December 30, 2007 @ 9:45 pm
I'm beginning to wonder. It wasn't supposed to be a long trip, was it?
Maybe he got corrupted by the string bikini.
December 30th, 2007 at 9:50 pmMost excellent and true post.
December 30th, 2007 at 9:50 pmMay I suggest an email to Faiz? Something like, “Update your system to include IP’s, or, no more donations�
Comment by pete — December 30, 2007 @ 9:40 pm
Done, a few hours ago. When I last actually heard from him (last week), he was traveling.
December 30th, 2007 at 9:50 pmMaybe he did get knifed or jailed in Rio?>
Comment by RUCerious — December 30, 2007 @ 9:45 pm
I’m beginning to wonder. It wasn’t supposed to be a long trip, was it?
Maybe he got corrupted by the string bikini.
Comment by Zooey — December 30, 2007 @ 9:50 pm
I don't think "bikini" would be appropriate because it implies two pieces. Daryll seems to lean more toward the thong, sans top (because unnecessary). I'm inclined to believe that he snapped once he was face to, er, whatever with an entire beach full of naked, greased-up Brazilian studs. He's probably in restraints.
December 30th, 2007 at 9:54 pmomment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 9:41 pm
thanks for proudly demonstrating your ignorance of American law. funny how you rightards have so little respect for the law. makes sense, though, because you'd never win a legal election.
December 30th, 2007 at 9:55 pmMay I suggest an email to Faiz? Something like, “Update your system to include IP’s, or, no more donations�
Comment by pete — December 30, 2007 @ 9:40 pm
Done, a few hours ago. When I last actually heard from him (last week), he was traveling.
Comment by gummitch — December 30, 2007 @ 9:50 pm
December 30th, 2007 at 9:57 pmNo doubt with a 'stop-over' in Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport to use the public men's rest room........
No doubt with a ’stop-over’ in Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport to use the public men’s rest room……..
Comment by MCMetal — December 30, 2007 @ 9:57 pm
WTF?
December 30th, 2007 at 9:59 pmHey, McMetal, foul! Play nice, will you!
December 30th, 2007 at 9:59 pmComment by Marcus Aurelius — December 30, 2007 @ 8:42 pm
wow, marcus...
surely you realize what a brave woman your mom is,
at the least for telling you her story...
and she should know that she is hardly alone... and a lucky one...
to survive that horror... so many who were not as fortunate...
we can never go back to those dark ages...
LEGAL. SAFE. RARE.
December 30th, 2007 at 9:59 pmHuckabee's future for America sounds suspiciously like the plot to
"A handmaiden's tale"....
December 30th, 2007 at 10:00 pmYou’d ejaculate in your pants if that happened - and that would be a sin.
Now, go wash your dirty mind in the sink.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius
Spoken like a true compassionate Liberal.
No wonder your godless and immoral party has gone down the gutter, oddly enough where it belongs.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:01 pmNo one is monitoring TP?
Well, then, let me take this opportunity to say that MCMetal is an absolute dickhead.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:01 pmLEGAL. SAFE. RARE.
Comment by katy — December 30, 2007 @ 9:59 pm
**applause**
December 30th, 2007 at 10:01 pmComment by BernardQuatermass — December 30, 2007 @ 10:01 pm
Name hijacking.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:03 pmWell, let's see if the American public thinks abortion is a really important thing that they should call out as a national priority:
NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll conducted by the polling organizations of Peter Hart (D) and Bill McInturff (R). Dec. 14-17, 2007. N=1,008 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.1.
.
"Let me list some issues that have been proposed for the federal government to address. Please tell me which one of these items you think should be the top priority for the federal government. [See below.]" If more than one: "Well, if you had to choose just one, which do you think should be the top priority?"
December 30th, 2007 at 10:04 pmShown i %
The war in Iraq 18
Health care 18
Job creation and economic growth 14
Illegal immigration 12
Terrorism 9
Energy and the cost of gas 8
The environment and global warming 7
Foreign policy and Iran 5
All equally (vol.) 8
Unsure 1
I haven’t posted complaining about shutting down desenting views for a few hours, so I thought I’d chime in.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 30, 2007 @ 9:59 pm
Because you thought you would be making a contribution? Not likely. More likely, because you have a grossly inflated opinion of your significance.
It would be fine with everyone if you faded away.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:05 pmStupidity.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 10:04 pm
Yes, you are.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:06 pmComment by Libturd — December 30, 2007 @ 10:04 pm
Wow, libturd, you really are making cogent arguments...
December 30th, 2007 at 10:06 pmWhat?
I guess the right wing war criminals and torturers are moral and compassionate. Your entire post is goofy, at best. You guys make living in "the gutter" look like the freekin' Ritz Carlton. Sheesh.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:07 pmDon’t you have some fetuses to murder?
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 10:06 pm
Done. I had to get in early before the holidays, you know.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:08 pmNo one here has "advocated" anything. You twisted little dipshit.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:10 pmDo tell, libturd, at what point is the life created?
If an egg or sperm are destroyed, wouldn't that be the same, since they are viable precursors?
December 30th, 2007 at 10:10 pmSpoken like the true sicko that you are.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 10:10 pm
Cool.
I forgot to mention that while I was there, I forced a bunch of teenagers to go into the clinic with me and have abortions.
Fun times!
December 30th, 2007 at 10:11 pmGod should be punished, indeed, executed for allowing a miscarriage to occur.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:11 pmSpoken like the true sicko that you are.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 10:10 pm
You're projecting.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:12 pmOh, please enlighten us libturd, may i just call you turd for short? Thanks. Give us your scientific/religiouso definition, please. Turd.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:12 pmLets all go out and picket for more abortions! Who's up for a real good time?!
December 30th, 2007 at 10:13 pmYeah, you can’t fool honest people, you sick perverted baby murderer.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 10:12 pm
Looks like he fooled you.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:13 pmPinkos!
December 30th, 2007 at 10:14 pmWhat was that about 'casting the first stone'? So it's OK to bomb a clinic? What do they call it ' Killing for Jesus'....You might want to READ the bible FIRST.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:14 pmIn your case apparently it developed brainless.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 10:11 pm
This is funny - the brainless calling other brainless.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:14 pmWho is this "god" you post about?
December 30th, 2007 at 10:15 pmLets all go out and picket for more abortions! Who’s up for a real good time?!
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — December 30, 2007 @ 10:13 pm
I'm in!
I've got my sign made already: Nuke a Gay Fetus for Christ!!
December 30th, 2007 at 10:15 pmTurd, you're a regular riot, but how about your true belief on when, exactly does a life begin. Enlighten us, please.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:16 pmSince you mentioned brainless, lets do a comparison/contrast of a zygote and Terri Schaivo - just for fun!
December 30th, 2007 at 10:17 pmExactly. Honest people aren't being fooled. That's why there are so many posts. Honest people don't need your angle.
Get it?
Now, the sick perverted baby killer nonsense is over the top just enough to set your agenda straight.
Like a p*nis, straight.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:17 pmI'll be at the local Megachurch with my sign. "Nuke an abortion clinic, save a developing embryo, or burn in hell for all eternity!"
December 30th, 2007 at 10:18 pmI knew I could count on you, Zooey!
December 30th, 2007 at 10:18 pmI knew I could count on you, Zooey!
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — December 30, 2007 @ 10:18 pm
Hey, when it comes to abortion -- the more the better! :P
December 30th, 2007 at 10:20 pmNow I'm getting concerned about our troll. He doesn't seem willing or perhaps capable of responding to a request for some information that should be right on the tip of his reading points...
December 30th, 2007 at 10:20 pmI’ll be at the local Megachurch with my sign. “Nuke an abortion clinic, save a developing embryo, or burn in hell for all eternity!â€
Comment by RUCerious — December 30, 2007 @ 10:18 pm
"Save the Fetus; Screw the Child"
December 30th, 2007 at 10:21 pmNat I like that, but doesn't the Repukelickin party already have that copyrighted?
December 30th, 2007 at 10:22 pmComment by RUCerious — December 30, 2007 @ 10:18 pm
Yay, RUC!
December 30th, 2007 at 10:22 pm“Save the Fetus; Screw the Childâ€
Comment by Nat — December 30, 2007 @ 10:21 pm
Very Republican...
December 30th, 2007 at 10:23 pmNat I like that, but doesn’t the Repukelickin party already have that copyrighted?
Comment by RUCerious — December 30, 2007 @ 10:22 pm
Damn it!
December 30th, 2007 at 10:23 pmHi, katy! Long time, no see. Nice Christmas?
Comment by Zooey — December 30, 2007 @ 9:37 pm
whew! it's hard to keep up! this thread is going no-where fast!
thanks zooey...
well, it was a memorable christmas, i'll say that...
many things went wrong and had a few emergencies thrown in:
2 of the dogs got very sick and required extended vet care,
my basement floor "flooded" because the outside spigot was left on...
i spent too much time and energy trying to catching up the lost time...
but it all turned out fine in the end...
all space invaders have left, and i'm recovering...
:-)
and yours?
i tried to take a few minutes to post a greeting here and at the zoo...
that idea never panned out either...
hope you and all the TP "family" had a good holiday...
btw - hope this doesn't jinx it, but you all may remember that my family is a UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS family...
my son now lives in pasadena and has tickets to that game...
pins and needles on tuesday...
I L L - I N I !!!
December 30th, 2007 at 10:24 pm...
Are the trolls gone?
Have we said something offensive...? :-D
December 30th, 2007 at 10:24 pmLooks like a simple request for some ideology scared our itty bitty thin skinned troll right out of here. Probably consulting with a reich wing AnswersRUs to come up with more witty repaste!
December 30th, 2007 at 10:25 pmAnybody wishing to reduce the number of abortions should be throwing all their support into full and open sex education including birth control and safe sex. Also organizations like Planned Parenthood have prevented more abortions than any wacko Doctor killers.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:26 pmComment by katy — December 30, 2007 @ 10:24 pm
I hope your dogs are ok, katy. And your basement, lordy. :(
I was a space invader this Christmas. I went over to Portland and stayed with the men. It was fun.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:27 pmkaty! glad to read you again, but don't get yer hopes up, aren't y'all playing my USC Trojans?
December 30th, 2007 at 10:27 pmComment by CaptainMantastic — December 30, 2007 @ 9:59 pm
I don't "flag" dissenting views. On the, very rare, occasions a "dissenter" raises a valid point; we all benefit. Simple mischief, off topic B.S, and unwarranted abuse (I have no objection to trading insults if it's mutual) are a different story.
I should have kept track of how many I've "flagged" over the last several days. When I went back and counted today's tally I came up with 137. I may have missed, or double counted, a few. All but 7 were off topic.
The point is that the TP community needs some clean up. It's happened before and can happen again. I don't normally get too upset, but, when the name jacking starts up? It's time for draconian measures.
IMO vandals, including "cyber-vandals" are amongst the lowest forms of life. They don't even have the strength of purpose to commit "real" crimes. They should be slapped down, like the mischievous children they are, at all turns.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:27 pmComment by jb — December 30, 2007 @ 10:26 pm
Way too much common sense going on here.
The Bushits Know that abstinence only is the only way to indoctrinate our youth to the evils of sex.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:28 pmkaty! glad to read you again, but don’t get yer hopes up, aren’t y’all playing my USC Trojans?
Comment by RUCerious — December 30, 2007 @ 10:27 pm
That must be an interesting mascot...
December 30th, 2007 at 10:30 pmC'mon I know your just ribbing me...
December 30th, 2007 at 10:31 pmIMO vandals, including “cyber-vandals†are amongst the lowest forms of life.
Comment by pete — December 30, 2007 @ 10:27 pm
Hey, my university team never wins, but they're not among the lowest forms fo life. ;)
December 30th, 2007 at 10:31 pmC’mon I know your just ribbing me…
Comment by RUCerious — December 30, 2007 @ 10:31 pm
My pleasure...
December 30th, 2007 at 10:32 pmIdaho State Vandals? Isn't that State sponsored barbarianism>?
December 30th, 2007 at 10:34 pmheh. that had to be set up...
December 30th, 2007 at 10:35 pmugh.
You should see his antics when he gets lubricated.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:35 pmIdaho State Vandals? Isn’t that State sponsored barbarianism>?
Comment by RUCerious — December 30, 2007 @ 10:34 pm
University of Idaho Vandals. :)
You got a problem with barbarians?
December 30th, 2007 at 10:35 pmheh. that had to be set up…
ugh.
Comment by alpuz3 — December 30, 2007 @ 10:35 pm
RUC and I are a well-lubricated machine. ;)
December 30th, 2007 at 10:36 pmHey, my university team never wins, but they’re not among the lowest forms fo life. ;)
Comment by Zooey — December 30, 2007 @ 10:31 pm
Small "v" Zooey. Though, to be fair, I've lost so much respect for my team that I might have to become a Patriots fan. It's allowed since I was conceived in Boston and, according to some sources, that's when my life began. LOL.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:37 pmComment by pete — December 30, 2007 @ 10:37 pm
Just messing with ya, pete. :)
December 30th, 2007 at 10:39 pmRUC and I are a well-lubricated machine.
Comment by Zooey — December 30, 2007 @ 10:36 pm
Funny. I thought you had a pact for your mutual protection.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:40 pmOooops, U of I, sorry. Nothing against barbarians! Conan is a personal friend of mine.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:40 pmJust messing with ya, pete. :)
Comment by Zooey — December 30, 2007 @ 10:39 pm
And responding in kind.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:40 pmoophh.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:41 pmFunny. I thought you had a pact for your mutual protection.
Comment by pete — December 30, 2007 @ 10:40 pm
Is it my fault RUC dropped the ball? I've heard that happens to some guys...
December 30th, 2007 at 10:41 pmSpoken like the true caring Liberal that you are.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 10:40 pm
Why, thank you, Libtard.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:43 pmWeellll,, the lubeturd is back. How about responding to my inquiries of posts #354 or 363??
December 30th, 2007 at 10:43 pmHey, Libtard,
Do you think butt-sex is a viable alternative to unwanted pregnancies?
I anxiously await your answer.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:44 pmLibtard doesn't get it. Who would have thunk?
December 30th, 2007 at 10:44 pmDoes anyone else find it amazing that our lubeturd hasn't caught on that we are funning about condoms??? Probably just too damn dense...
December 30th, 2007 at 10:44 pmPerverts. No wonder you love killing fetuses so much. Just so you can have all the unprotected sex that you want… without a care in the world too.
Sickos.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 10:43 pm
Dude, I need to have a reason to keep my appointment at the abortion mill next month. I can't just go in there for nothing.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:45 pmI was a space invader this Christmas. I went over to Portland and stayed with the men. It was fun.
Comment by Zooey — December 30, 2007 @ 10:27 pm
sounds delightful!
i told the kids i'm goint to the islands next year... but i'm a dreamer...
the dogs are find, now... my izzy had an absess that is healing slowly...
and the basement is dry now... glad there wasn't a hidden camera around when i found that mess... a grown woman blubbering on about squishy wet carpet at 2a.m. xmas eve in underwear and rubber boots with a wet vac is not a pretty sight...
someday i may laugh...
katy! glad to read you again, but don’t get yer hopes up, aren’t y’all playing my USC Trojans?
Comment by RUCerious — December 30, 2007 @ 10:27 pm
thanks RU... good to be back... in doses, at least...
yes, the USC trojans... i'm told it is not a lost cause for the ILLINI...
still, it's very exciting around this area that a home team (70 mi. north) is at the ROSE BOWL...
and USC has a great MARCHING BAND also... as usual, they won't be showing the half-time field show on the teevee...
December 30th, 2007 at 10:45 pm:-(
And the lubeturd doesn't realize that the hillbilly is satirin?
Dense as lead at the center of the planet.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:46 pmDoes anyone else find it amazing that our lubeturd hasn’t caught on that we are funning about condoms??? Probably just too damn dense…
Comment by RUCerious — December 30, 2007 @ 10:44 pm
He's fun. Let's keep him.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:47 pmNo doubt, Kool-aid was served.
Exactly when were these "good old days?"
Must be the Kool-aid.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:47 pmDoes anyone else find it amazing that our lubeturd hasn’t caught on that we are funning about condoms??? Probably just too damn dense…
Comment by RUCerious — December 30, 2007 @ 10:44 pm
Amusing? Yes. Amazing? Not in the least. The libtroll displayed it's utter cluelessness with the first word.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:47 pmNo… you being the prime example of the unintended consequences of such practices… Jelly Baby.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 10:45 pm
You're the best argument for abortion I've ever seen, libturd. Too bad your momma couldn't afford one. I know she wanted one, or she would have raised a human instead of you. You're the result of your mother's hatred of you.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:48 pmJelly Baby.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 10:45 pm
Ouch!
Marcus, I don't know how you're going to come back on that one. Woo!
December 30th, 2007 at 10:48 pmSlag! Welcome back! Now there's just one little issue of you telling us a few of your duty stations during your four years in the corps.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:50 pmHe’s fun. Let’s keep him.
Comment by Zooey — December 30, 2007 @ 10:47 pm
O.K. But(t?), don't get it wet or feed it after midnight!
December 30th, 2007 at 10:50 pmWell, I guess I'll have to hook up with some peanut butter. Oooh Baby!
December 30th, 2007 at 10:51 pmComment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 10:50 pm
Yeah, that 70% support we have is really looking weak.
By the way, and unborn baby isn't a baby. that's as simply as I can put it, but you probably won't understand it.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:52 pmO.K. But(t?), don’t get it wet or feed it after midnight!
Comment by pete — December 30, 2007 @ 10:50 pm
Oh hell no!
I intend to raise him the way I raised my own children: Lock them in a closet, and feed them flat foods through the crack under the door for 18 years. Then seal up the crack.
No special treatment.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:52 pmI'm begging you now, lubeturd, please inform us of the exact moment when life begins... Shouldn't be too hard for an expert such as yourself.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:52 pmComment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 10:50 pm
This one reminds me of a troll that used to hang out here looking for attention on a regular basis. It was the only one that ever used the term "libtard" and it was truly a pathetic thing. Used to pretend to an advanced degree in "ancient philosophy" and name itself after various Greeks. What was that little turd's name? Eh, doesn't matter. It truly was the stupidest troll.
The name had some connection to urine, I remember that.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:54 pmPeople like you are why this country is going to hell.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 10:52 pm
Really? George Bush is like me? You should come out of your closet, you little repuke pervert. Go kiss Larry Craig, a great repig hero.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:54 pmI intend to raise him the way I raised my own children: Lock them in a closet, and feed them flat foods through the crack under the door for 18 years. Then seal up the crack.
No special treatment.
Comment by Zooey — December 30, 2007 @ 10:52 pm
Of course, it's always after midnight somewhere. It may be best to let it starve.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:54 pmPeople like you are why this country is going to hell.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 10:52 pm
Well goddamint now, I thought it was seven years of feckless repukelickin rule, myself!
December 30th, 2007 at 10:55 pmThe name had some connection to urine, I remember that.
Comment by gummitch — December 30, 2007 @ 10:54 pm
The Urine Sample had a sense of humor -- this one is clueless.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:55 pmI signed a pre-nup saying mine would be brought up Catholic, but it sounds exactly like what you're describing.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:56 pmI am married to a person of color and I have noticed that those we associate that are in similar marriages are overwhelmingly Republican. I also note that most of the attacks against Condi Rice seem to have a racial component to them.
You're a very accomplished liar, and you have a good, if fevered, imagination. perfect Repuke tool, no wonder they use you so effectively.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:56 pmOf course, it’s always after midnight somewhere. It may be best to let it starve.
Comment by pete — December 30, 2007 @ 10:54 pm
One must always err on the side of caution.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:56 pmThe name had some connection to urine, I remember that.
Comment by gummitch — December 30, 2007 @ 10:54 pm
There are some similarities. But(t?), didn't that one always include a link to it's personal "hate sight"?
December 30th, 2007 at 10:56 pmWhole countries are going to hell now? Send in the reinforcements, Libtard, St. Peter appears to be understaffed.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:56 pmIn your case, apparently it never started.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 10:54 pm
That's it? That's all you got? For X sakes, jackass, at least come up with your scientific best here. You are embarassing or just maybe bare assing your reichwing brethren....
December 30th, 2007 at 10:57 pmCraig was framed by overzealous Liberal cops. It’s a know fact. Of course the Liberal media doesn’t like to pay attention to these stories.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 10:56 pm
yes, show us those facts, and then explain why Larry pled guilty as charged. I guess your mother didn't bother to birth you with a brain. No wonder she hates you.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:57 pmI signed a pre-nup saying mine would be brought up Catholic, but it sounds exactly like what you’re describing.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — December 30, 2007 @ 10:56 pm
Could be. If they screamed too much, I'd bring in a nun to smack 'em around. :)
December 30th, 2007 at 10:58 pmWe had some other troll in here recently claiming to be married to a non-white woman. Is this part of some profile they have to fill out because they think it would give them credibility? I mean, given their personalities, it's unlikely they'd ever have sex outside prison, much less get married. But what's with the pretense to racial tolerance? It's about as convincing as Britney's claims to chastity.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:58 pmOne must always err on the side of caution.
Comment by Zooey — December 30, 2007 @ 10:56 pm
Anything less would be an irresponsible affront to Jesus.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:58 pmLet's take a quick look at our checklist.
Dufus name, check.
Lots of name calling, very little else, check.
Inability to mount even a feeble defense of ridiculous postings, check.
Troll checklist complete.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:00 pmThere are some similarities. But(t?), didn’t that one always include a link to it’s personal “hate sight�
Comment by pete — December 30, 2007 @ 10:56 pm
I think its delicate psyche regressed so far that it couldn't keep up the pretense of that "blog." Or maybe mom finally scraped together the money for its meds.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:00 pmAnything less would be an irresponsible affront to Jesus.
Comment by pete — December 30, 2007 @ 10:58 pm
F_ck Jesus!
*sigh*
If Daryll were here, he'd call me a BLASPHEMER!!
I hope he didn't get knifed in Brazil...
December 30th, 2007 at 11:01 pmCraig was framed by overzealous Liberal cops. It’s a know fact. Of course the Liberal media doesn’t like to pay attention to these stories.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 10:56 pm
Get off it. Craig is gay (not that there's anything wrong with it).
December 30th, 2007 at 11:01 pmBecause he knew that he would have his good named dragged through the mud by a Liberal Activist Judge in one of those pointless show trials that you Liberals love to waste our tax dollars on. He figured it would go away if he just pled guilty.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:00 pm
You mean to say Larry Craig is even more stupid than you? C'mon, that's just not possible.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:01 pmJesus Christ, or Jesus the maintenance guy who cleans my office?
December 30th, 2007 at 11:02 pmYes, Zooey is a troll.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:01 pm
Have I ever told you that I find you totally hot?
December 30th, 2007 at 11:02 pmHe figured it would go away if he just pled guilty.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:00 pm
So he knew he'd be found guilty, si what you're admitting. Because he's a pervert, like most Republicans. And the fact that the judge was a Republican and two of the cops were Republicans isn't going to change your mind, is it? Because you don't have a mind, do you? I'm sorry your mother hates you, but I can't blame her at all. You're someone to be truly ashamed of.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:02 pmYes, Zooey is a troll.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:01 pm
And there it is, the whole obsession with Zooey. Sure sounds familiar.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:02 pmBecause he knew that he would have his good named dragged through the mud by a Liberal Activist Judge in one of those pointless show trials that you Liberals love to waste our tax dollars on. He figured it would go away if he just pled guilty.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:00 pm
Nah. He didn't want anyone to find out he was gay (not that there’s anything wrong with it).
December 30th, 2007 at 11:03 pmAt the risk of going off topic; does anyone else think Jesus might have been gay? Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I mean: long hair, slim build, robes without pants, sandals, and they say he "loved" his disciples beyond all others. It just makes me wonder.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:03 pmangry trolls!
(they're losing again)
December 30th, 2007 at 11:04 pmYeah right. You Liberals HATE gays.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:02 pm
As opposed to all the gay love coming from the "conservatives". Oy, this is one stupid troll.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:04 pmYeah right. You Liberals HATE gays.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:02 pm
Another projection. We're not the ones who tried to kick someone out of our party because they were gay.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:05 pmThis isn't even fun. It's like kicking a cripple. A really stupid blind cripple at that.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:05 pmNo wonder that you perverts are so addicted to murdering babies.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:03 pm
Why? Because we get ourselves knocked up by morons like you?
Oh yeah, that is it.
Wanna be my next abortion's daddy?
December 30th, 2007 at 11:05 pmlibturd's doing the P meltdown, right on schedule. it always happens when the rightards have run out of talking points, and have had their asses handed to them all evening. slag is lying about his relationship, libturd is accusing lefties of being anti-gay; it's all to much for them to handle.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:06 pmPete, I think it is more the case of gay early xian artists portraying him like that. The account of him cleaning clock on the temple moneychangers seems to convey some testosteronal effects.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:06 pmGodless sicko. People like you have destroyed this once proud Christian nation.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:04 pm
No. Faux Christians like you and Bush have destroyed this nation.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:08 pmComment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:00 pm
No such critter.
You could emulate Craig by admitting you are absolutely wrong in every thought you have, and then going away.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:08 pmThis isn’t even fun. It’s like kicking a cripple. A really stupid blind cripple at that.
Comment by gummitch — December 30, 2007 @ 11:05 pm
well, conservotards love that, it's a major hobby among the righties. They have no courage, and they are too weak to pick on anyone their own size or sex. Look at Bush doing his best to kill American children by starving them and denying them medical treatment. He's all pissed off that he can't blow them to bits like he does Iraqi kids.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:08 pmarguing with arguing with arguing with arguing with arguing with ,
I have'nt seen any arguing with ....
Only some name calling and such. Perhaps if you'd care to respond and inform us of the exact moment that life, as we know it, begins, then we could begin arguing about it.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:10 pmSarkozy halts links to Syria! Please stand by for Margaret Thatcher! Fetch!
December 30th, 2007 at 11:10 pmIt’s exhausting arguing with sex addicted, baby murdering perverts. What do you expect?
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:08 pm
no surprise here, libturd couldn't get laid in tijuana with a fistful of 50s. their envy of liberal love defines their sex-starved, frustrated, blueballed tantrums.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:10 pmSicko.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:06 pm
Is that a "yes?"
December 30th, 2007 at 11:10 pmHey, Zoo, I'll do it, but only for fun - nothing serious. (and there has to be lots of lusty foreplay).
December 30th, 2007 at 11:11 pmPlus he was a carpenter.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:12 pmIf he had been around in the modern age, he'd be wearing Carhartts, swinging a 32 ounce hammer, and raising roofs all by hisself......
We’re trying to fix it.
Hopefully when the Domestic Surveillance Program is expanded further, we can start putting some of you godless sickos in jail for your crimes.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:10 pm
Fascist.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:12 pmwe can start putting some of you godless sickos in jail for your crimes.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:10 pm
there won't be any room for us when we're done jailing all of your perverted, thieving traitors in the GOP. the list is getting very long of Republican crooks and traitors, very long indeed.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:12 pmGodless sicko. People like you have destroyed this once proud Christian nation.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:04 pm
Godless? Yes, and proud of it. Sicko? That one's iffy. I do have arthritis, but, it's classified as repetitive stress injury in my case. Plus a little genetics.
Christian nation? Never. Destroyed? Only if we don't run out the neocon scum.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:13 pmThanks for that one, Libtard. It's going to do wonders for your cause.
Keep on talkin' good buddy.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:13 pmWhat? Me worry?
December 30th, 2007 at 11:14 pmPerverts.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:13 pm
Are you afraid of sex, libturd, or is it just that the boys think you're yucky?
December 30th, 2007 at 11:14 pmgodless sickos in jail for your crimes.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:10 pm
Well. You can add "LIAR" to the list. I have never committed a crime. Never even a traffic violation.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:16 pmHey, Zoo, I’ll do it, but only for fun - nothing serious. (and there has to be lots of lusty foreplay).
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — December 30, 2007 @ 11:11 pm
You got it, Marcus. But don't tell Libtard, ok?
December 30th, 2007 at 11:16 pmDon’t worry, you’ll be first on the list. They track all your internet perversion too, of you which sex addicted baby murdering sickos have many, I’m sure.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:15 pm
You're the first in line, libturd. We don;t take kindly to treason, and you're a proven traitor.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:16 pmAnd there it is, the whole obsession with Zooey. Sure sounds familiar.
Comment by gummitch @ 11:02 pm
another incarnation of the michael trooll...
such a child...
...
well, i just got the call - my son has made it back to his home
in pasadena safe and sound... i can get to sleep now...
g'nite all...
December 30th, 2007 at 11:16 pmYeah, no worries with tax funded abortions to go around, is there?
Perverts.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:13 pm
Hey, I pay for my own abortions -- every single one of them.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:17 pmIf they're going to jail people for looking at internets tubes porn, we're going to need some huge prisons.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:18 pmDon’t worry, you’ll be first on the list. They track all your internet perversion too, of you which sex addicted baby murdering sickos have many, I’m sure.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:15 pm
What are you talking about? Bush is out in a year barring impeachment or arrest. Hillary Clinton will soon have that power.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:18 pmWell, that's all the hilarity I can stand for one night.
G'night good people.
You too trolls.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:18 pmFirst!
Now you're just trying to be cute. This kind of affection leaves me cold.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:18 pmI'm in a relationship.
Now, see if you can stay on topic.
Comment by good_golly — December 30, 2007 @ 11:16 pm
That's not a discussion, gg, that's a rightard fantasy that even with a full majority and the White House you've never been able to accomplish. You're being gamed, and your masters are laughing at you. If you really want to die in a civil war, keep the treason going.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:19 pmCool. I'll bring the peanut butter.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:19 pmThey should be given the death penalty for murdering poor unborn babies. What else?
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:18 pm
What about the accomplice to the murder: the women?
December 30th, 2007 at 11:20 pmLoosen the corset, Victoria.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:20 pmI’m sure you’ve had many, you semen addicted whore.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:18 pm
ooh, jealousy! Too bad your mom didn't complete the one she started when she was having you. looks like they got your brain sucked out, though.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:20 pmNot if we have a terrorist attack any time soon. Bush and Cheney will have to remain in office in order to protect us. Thank god.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:20 pm
Fascist.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:21 pmNot if we have a terrorist attack any time soon. Bush and Cheney will have to remain in office in order to protect us. Thank god.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:20 pm
you mean that two failures will qualify as protecting us? gg may be right, nobody could be that stupid, are you just funnin' us?
December 30th, 2007 at 11:21 pmSex is STRICTLY for procreation.
Anything else is a perversion.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:16 pm
You must have a boring sex life or none at all.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:22 pmYou must have a boring sex life or none at all.
Comment by Nat — December 30, 2007 @ 11:22 pm
best hope for the latter, we certainly don't need this moron reproducing.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:25 pmI’m sure you’ve had many, you semen addicted whore.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:18 pm
Hello, my name is Zooey, and I'm a semen addicted whore.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:28 pmTerrorist enabler!
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:26 pm
Terrorist sympathizer!
December 30th, 2007 at 11:28 pmCool. I’ll bring the peanut butter.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — December 30, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
Don't forget the red nail polish. You can paint my toenails.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:29 pmHello, my name is Zooey, and I’m a semen addicted whore.
Comment by Zooey — December 30, 2007 @ 11:28 pm
Do you know where my promiscuous daughter can have casual sex so she can catch a STD and have an abortion?
December 30th, 2007 at 11:31 pmExtreme interrogation is an important to to help protect the country from terrorism.
You’ll understand after they nuke an American city.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:28 pm
Good, start with Bush and Cheney, since they are responsible for 9/11. they were warned in plenty of time, and did nothing. Torture them until they admit it, and then send them to prison for life for treason against the USA.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:31 pmfuggit, i'm off to check out some internets pr0n. Libtard has a rash.
a nasty,swollen itchy rash. Peanut butter....
and jelly.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:32 pmExtreme interrogation is an important to to help protect the country from terrorism. You’ll understand after they nuke an American city.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:28 pm
Which would mean that the extreme interrogation of the last few years failed. Your logic is, well, illogical.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:32 pmDo you know where my promiscuous daughter can have casual sex so she can catch a STD and have an abortion?
Comment by Nat — December 30, 2007 @ 11:31 pm
I understand that her best bets are in Virginia.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:32 pmExtreme interrogation is an important to to help protect the country from terrorism.
You’ll understand after they nuke an American city.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:28 pm
Nah. The Bush administration (I would say you but you don't have sex) is into S&M.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:33 pmfunny how the terrorists were so successful after Bush stole the White House. I knew it would happen, and it did. Anybody could see that Bush was incompetent and cowardly, and that Cheney would do anything to hurt the USA. And they've proven it, over and over again.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:33 pmDo you know where my promiscuous daughter can have casual sex so she can catch a STD and have an abortion?
Comment by Nat — December 30, 2007 @ 11:31 pm
Just send her to me for Spring Break. I'll get her fixed up. ;)
December 30th, 2007 at 11:34 pmI wonder who paid Bin Laden for the Re-Elect Bsh videos? Bush himself, or the RNC?
December 30th, 2007 at 11:35 pmA point that flies right over the heads of the rightards is that the number of abortions has risen under their the rein of their authority figure. I believe there are two mitigating factors. The first is that many more women can't afford to have another child and the second is the fact that many women are not getting adequate education on pregnancy prevention. Way to go Bush!
December 30th, 2007 at 11:35 pmI wonder who paid Bin Laden for the Re-Elect Bsh videos? Bush himself, or the RNC?
Comment by Lefty Patriot
Bin Laden is dead. If he wasn't, his videos would have a date stamp on them and he would reference current events in the world. That hasn't happened in years. One has to wonder why. It seems to me that he would have a vested interest in the world knowing that he is still alive, so he would prove it.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:36 pmI understand that her best bets are in Virginia.
Comment by gummitch — December 30, 2007 @ 11:32 pm
Thanks. And I'll wait nine months into her pregnancy to get her an abortion.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:37 pmComment by bilbobaggins — December 30, 2007 @ 11:35 pm
Tis always the case. Repigs claim better national security experience, and we get 9/11. Repigs claim better organizational structure, and we get Katrina. Repigs claim better warfighting, and we get our ass kicked in Iraq. Repukes claim the moral high ground, and we get larry Craig, Ted Haggard, Mark Foley, Denny Hastert, Tom Delay, Ted Stevens; the list of thieves and perverts is too long fopr this thread.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:38 pmExtreme interrogation = torture. What's the matter rightard, can't you call a spade a spade? You dress a pig up in a pink tutu and you still have a pig.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:39 pmIt seems to me that he would have a vested interest in the world knowing that he is still alive, so he would prove it.
Comment by bilbobaggins — December 30, 2007 @ 11:36 pm
Of course Bin Laden is dead; it's the usual "keep the rabble occupied" rightard groupthink. the GOP has always been able to depend on the idiocy of the wingnut base. the Nazis did exactly the same thing.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:40 pmDo you know where my promiscuous daughter can have casual sex so she can catch a STD and have an abortion?
Comment by Nat
Airport restrooms. Im just not so sure the GrOPers are into girls though...
December 30th, 2007 at 11:41 pmlooks like libturds been hoovered up.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:48 pmOh my, I think a bunch of comments just disappeared.
December 30th, 2007 at 11:50 pmGodless sicko. People like you have destroyed this once proud Christian nation.
Comment by Libtard — December 30, 2007 @ 11:04 pm
Remember, this person is either a parody or insane. Firesign Theatre did something like him in "Eat or Be Eaten". He was called "The Reverend Me".
December 31st, 2007 at 12:07 amHere is something that fits very well with the reichwingers' bizarre notion that a woman seeks an abortion purely out of "convenience":
I know, I know, I've heard all the arguments: Abortion stops a beating heart. It's a child, not a choice. Every life is precious. Well, I don't care what the pro-lifers say... I am totally psyched for this abortion!
[...]
As I pushed my way through the crowd, one of the picketers yelled, "How could you do this? How could you kill a child?" What? It's more like, "How could I wait this long?" It wasn't until now that I was lucky enough to be pregnant with a child I had no means to support. I tell you, for a long time, I thought it would never happen to me!
So, to all of you pro-lifers who are trying to rain on my parade, keep it to yourself, because I don't have the time for that kind of negativity. I've got an abortion to plan, and I just know it's going to be the best non-anesthetized invasive uterine surgery ever!
December 31st, 2007 at 12:42 amI'm Totally Psyched About This Abortion!
Good thing the right will never allow abortion to be abolished. What would they do without it!?
Comment by Zooey — December 30, 2007 @ 9:35 pm
There will always be gays, non-christians, other christians and red/brown/yellow/black people for them to hate, subjugate and persecute.
December 31st, 2007 at 12:44 amLibtard is P-brain. His meth rants are way too easy to spot.
December 31st, 2007 at 12:46 amExtreme interrogation = torture. What’s the matter rightard, can’t you call a spade a spade? You dress a pig up in a pink tutu and you still have a pig.
Comment by bilbobaggins — December 30, 2007 @ 11:39 pm
And a dirty pink tutu.....
December 31st, 2007 at 12:53 amComment by good_golly — December 31, 2007 @ 12:52 am
No
No
and P-brain is as much a conservative nutbag as you are.
December 31st, 2007 at 12:56 amCan you stay on topic, or do you have to spend all of your time arguing with an obviously fake conservative (Libtard - in reality a liberal troll) saying outrageous things just to try to make conservatives look bad?
Comment by good_golly — December 31, 2007 @ 12:52 am
Keep telling yourself that. In point of fact, it's a long-time "conservative" troll that we've encountered before. No liberal needs to say outrageous things to make "conservatives" look bad when they (and you) do such a fantastic job of that all on their own.
December 31st, 2007 at 12:56 amNow, what are the odds of the above actually happening?
Comment by good_golly — December 31, 2007 @ 12:56 am
And your point is . . . ? No conservative is going to be elected president any time soon?
You may have a point. After all, even a blind squirrel . . .
December 31st, 2007 at 12:57 amCan you stay on topic, or do you have to spend all of your time arguing with an obviously fake conservative (Libtard - in reality a liberal troll) saying outrageous things just to try to make conservatives look bad?
Comment by good_golly — December 31, 2007 @ 12:52 am
Gosh, it looks like you're off-topic!
Besides, you don't need Libtard to make you look bad. You accomplish that all by yourself.
December 31st, 2007 at 12:58 amThere will always be gays, non-christians, other christians and red/brown/yellow/black people for them to hate, subjugate and persecute.
Comment by Wayne — December 31, 2007 @ 12:44 am
You're right, Wayne. But none of them inspire quite the level of insane emotion that the poor slaughtered "babies" inspire.
December 31st, 2007 at 1:02 amScene: A courtroom in the US in the not too distant future.
Judge: Will the witness state your name.
Witness: Freddie Fetus.
Prosecutor: Mr. Fetus, is the man who attacked you in this room.
Witness: Yes, he's in the blood stained smock at the defense table.
Prosecutor: Will the court not the witness is pointing at Dr. Howard Dean!
-GSD
December 31st, 2007 at 1:02 amComment by good_golly — December 31, 2007 @ 1:02 am
Who cut the cheese?
December 31st, 2007 at 1:03 amSo now that the diktat has come from Comrade Jonah Goldberg, Operation Tar All Democrats as Nazis has begun.
-GSD
December 31st, 2007 at 1:04 amWell, if you national socialists and Demokkkrats can’t stay on topic, you’ll have to spend the rest of the night flagging each other.
Comment by good_golly — December 31, 2007 @ 1:02 am
Jeebus, another one.
Bye.
December 31st, 2007 at 1:07 amI posted my first message on the Free Republic web site today. I returned one hour later to post another message but it appears that I have banished from their web site. This is the message they sent me.....
Your posting privilege has been revoked.
So much for free speech on the Free Republic web site. sigh.......
December 31st, 2007 at 1:13 amComment by delafield — December 31, 2007 @ 1:13 am
One message, and then banned?
Wow! What did you say?
December 31st, 2007 at 1:15 amWell, if you national socialists and Demokkkrats can’t stay on topic, you’ll have to spend the rest of the night flagging each other.
Comment by good_golly — December 31, 2007 @ 1:02 am
ROTFL!!! A REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVE, calling OTHERS NAZI/KKK people!! HYSTERICAL!! Could you POSSIBLY PROJECT ANY MORE than you do - 'TARD? ROTFL!!!
December 31st, 2007 at 1:18 amROTFL, Tards like Good Golly, can't distinguish the difference between a FETUS and a HUMAN BEING. You know those SKIN CELLS you SLOUGH OFF every day good golly could also be TURNED INTO BABIES using that SAME TECHNOLOGY you're using to eXcUsE your ANTI-ABORTION RHETORIC! That means YOU'RE A MURDERER OF BILLIONS!! What a MORON!
December 31st, 2007 at 1:21 amConservative premise: It's a crime to perform an abortion but it's "patriotic" to kill hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, many of whom are civilian "collateral damage".
Personally, I believe abortion is a woman's choice and that wars such as the Iraq war are very, very immoral. My positions make me much more of a genuine "pro-lifer" than the pretend-Christian right-wingers.
December 31st, 2007 at 1:23 am"Well, if you national socialists and Demokkkrats can’t stay on topic, you’ll have to spend the rest of the night flagging each other."
Flag off. Too bad you righty losers have no clue what opposition is. You girly little f^cks think disagreement is treason. Grow up.
December 31st, 2007 at 1:25 amWhat these ravening, anti-choice, christo-fascists fail to understand that their own religion and own bible has stated for a very long time that life begins at first breath.
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Genesis, 2:7.
.
The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty has given me life.
Book of Job 33:4
Are a couple off the top of my head
Let us not forget, that if God is in control, then it is because of him that 1 out of every 3 pregnancies are terminated by spontanious abortion.
December 31st, 2007 at 1:39 amSo, golly_goofy, why does God kill so many babies?
well seeing as these wingers are getting their information on Conservapedia, well it's not surprising they believe that the Nazis were Socialists and that the Democrats are now the party of racism while the Republicans are absolute angels when it comes to civil rights and voting rights...
December 31st, 2007 at 1:40 amNazi's were socialists...that is funny. These guys have no clue, do they?
December 31st, 2007 at 1:41 amIt's funny, the wingnuts who pontificate sanctimoniously had NOTHING to say when 37 senators who claimed to be pro-life voted against the ban on studies that used pesticides on children and yes, pregnant women pregnant women. When corporate profits come into the equation, it becomes something like this... profits > "pro-life ideology"
December 31st, 2007 at 1:46 amucsb, they don't really care about people. They love zygotes though.
December 31st, 2007 at 1:48 amI think it's AMAZING how the REPUBLICANS trust WOMEN to RAISE THEIR CHILDREN, but not to decide whether they WANT TO GIVE BIRTH to those children. Anti-Abortion is nothing more than RAPIST RIGHTS - it's easy to see why WOMEN HATING FREAKS like Hendler want to prevent abortion. Without outlawing abortion, he has LITTLE CHANCE of FORCING A WOMAN to BIRTH IS DISTURBED SPAWN!
December 31st, 2007 at 2:18 amIt’s funny, the wingnuts who pontificate sanctimoniously had NOTHING to say when 37 senators who claimed to be pro-life voted against the ban on studies that used pesticides on children and yes, pregnant women pregnant women. When corporate profits come into the equation, it becomes something like this… profits > “pro-life ideologyâ€
Comment by ucsbclassics53 — December 31, 2007 @ 1:46 am
Probably the same ones that vote consistently against W.I.C., or a very similar list.
December 31st, 2007 at 2:38 amSo now that the diktat has come from Comrade Jonah Goldberg, Operation Tar All Democrats as Nazis has begun.
-GSD
I wonder if the Aryan Nation volk would agree with Mr. Goldberg? LOL!
December 31st, 2007 at 5:27 amNazis used the term "socialist" as a way to gain votes. It was very popular in Germany in the early thirties. Look at their policies. They were very strongly against socialism. They busted unions and put socialists in concentration camps.
There are many Nazis in the USA today. They are not shy about giving their views. They have publications and websites. Ask them if they are closer to Bush or a socialist. They sound a lot like the trolls we get here, like Mr.P/Bert.
December 31st, 2007 at 6:40 amIn Nazi Germany, doctors received the death penalty for performing abortions. They were on the same page as today's Republicans, who lack only the balls and the brains to be real Nazis.
I think they were fibbing when they called themselves socialists.
December 31st, 2007 at 7:54 amPandemic surveillance of a society is, of course, a staple of a fascist takeover. The years 2000-2006 were obviously the Republicans' attempt at a fascist shift in America. But they botched it, just as they botched everything.
December 31st, 2007 at 7:57 amLender Lobbying Blitz
Abetted Mortgage Mess
Ameriquest Pressed
For Changes in Laws;
A Battle in New Jersey
By GLENN R. SIMPSON
December 31, 2007
"During the housing boom, the subprime industry succeeded at more than just writing mortgages. It also shot down efforts by some states to curtail risky lending to borrowers with spotty credit...
Some of the giving by Ameriquest executives and associates was high-profile. President Bush received more than $200,000 for his 2004 re-election campaign, and Ameriquest founder Roland Arnall and his wife, Dawn, contributed more than $5 million to political organizations that backed the president. Last year, President Bush appointed Mr. Arnall ambassador to the Netherlands, and his wife took over as chairman of Ameriquest's parent company...."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119906606162358773.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news
December 31st, 2007 at 9:00 amHere, I’ll try to get things re-started. In order for you to have a legitimate worry about Gov. Huckabee’s position on abortion the following would have to happen:
1. He would be elected President;
2. There would be at least one SCOTUS vacancy during his term;
Comment by good_golly — December 31, 2007 @ 12:56 am
Good morning, good golly. I don't think it would be necessary to stack the SCOTUS any more to the right than it already is in order to get Roe v. Wade overturned -- if the right case came to them, they'd vote 5-4 to overturn it.
So why isn't it getting overturned? I think it's because the SCOTUS regards that issue as plutonium. Right now, the pro-choice forces are relatively quiet. Abortion is legal, and there are other issues more pressing. And as long as abortion is legal, this galvanizes critical parts of the GOP base into action necessary to win elections. The LAST thing the SCOTUS wants to do (and the last thing the GOP leadership wants to do) is to overturn Roe v. Wade. This would activate the now-complacent pro-choice forces to a degree that would give all the neocons nightmares. Nah -- they much prefer keeping things the way they are and keeping their wedge issue.
Another thought -- SCOTUS isn't the only avenue for change (although it's probably the most practical one). If abortion is truly wrong, all Congress has to do is pass a constitutional amendment banning it, and get it ratified by 38 states. If the American people really want it banned, this should be no problem -- right?
Personally, I predict that if Huckabee is elected POTUS (and I agree that's a long shot), he will ultimately have about as much effect on abortion in this country as Bush has had. There may be a few laws passed here and there banning certain types of abortions (like the "partial-birth" ban under Bush), but Roe v. Wade will stay put.
December 31st, 2007 at 9:23 amWow, there’s a mature exchange. Zooey, you seem pretty ballsie for a girl, would you be as derogatory to the prophet Mohammed, worshipped by billions of Muslims? Do you realize that you are more intolerant than most Christians? They could have used you in the inquistion.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 31, 2007 @ 9:25 am
Ballsie for a girl? Do you even realize what kind of jerk you come across as with this statement? lmao
Actually Islam is just another branch of the Abrahamic faiths, along with Christians and the jewish. All 3 branches are fairly equally intollerant of any opposing beliefs. Since their God started out as a hill spirit/ demon that required blood sacrifice, its not supprising they kill even each other to this day.
Funny you should mention the inquisition, because the Christians were behind that mass murder over a thousand years that the inquisition was a small part of.
December 31st, 2007 at 9:42 amWayne, how about Captain referring to Zooey's "mature exchange" then suggesting she'd be great in the inquisition! Now THAT is maturity. It's immature to "attack" Jesus, but perfectly fine to attack Zooey. WWJD?
December 31st, 2007 at 9:47 amI never thought he was a hypocrite.
Along that line, I saw a great bumper sticker the other day. It read:
December 31st, 2007 at 9:51 am"When Jesus said, 'Love your enemies,' I don't think he meant 'Kill them.'"
deadly guns would, however, remain easily accessible...
December 31st, 2007 at 9:56 amHere's the GOP idea of success in Iraq:
But in 15 months, Captain Cronin and her unit, the 15th Brigade Support Battalion, have gone from providing logistics and supplies to US troops to helping refurbish an animal clinic, building horse stables, and constructing new habitats for bears and porcupines at the Baghdad Zoo.
You read that right. We are spending 15 billion a month in Iraq to refurbish zoos.
My, what a great way to honor the efforts of the US soldiers by making them into fu*king zoo-keepers.
A disgrace.
-GSD
December 31st, 2007 at 9:57 amComment by CaptainMantastic — December 31, 2007 @ 9:37 am
I admit I had my /sarc on when I commented on getting an amendment passed outlawing abortion. Of course that would never happen because there aren't enough people who truly want to see the procedure banned.
I agree there are a lot of people who are "uncomfortable" with abortion. It's not a pleasant thing to think about. Many of the people who want abortion kept legal do so because they know how the back-alley butchery business would thrive if it was banned (or even worse, how many women would destroy themselves with wire hangers) -- and that's even LESS pleasant to think about.
December 31st, 2007 at 10:05 amI am not a christian, but I can recognize intolerance when I see it. How comfortable would you or anyone else here be with someone that said something similar about Mohammed?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 31, 2007 @ 9:58 am
that's exactly the kind of thing that is said by christians about Muhammad, constantly. Don't try to pull that crap, you're as transparent as Saran Wrap. besides, it's the truth, something your side really hates.
December 31st, 2007 at 10:05 amIt’s immature to “attack†Jesus, but perfectly fine to attack Zooey. WWJD?
I never thought he was a hypocrite.
Comment by Wilco — December 31, 2007 @ 9:47 am
WWJB ( who would Jesus bomb ) and WWMB ( who would Mohamed or Moses bomb ) seems to rule todays world, unfortunately.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." ---- Mohandas Gandhi
December 31st, 2007 at 10:06 amI am not a christian, but I can recognize intolerance when I see it. How comfortable would you or anyone else here be with someone that said something similar about Mohammed?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 31, 2007 @ 9:58 am
Read my statement again, see the part where I stated all 3 religions started as worship of the same blood thirsty god that animals, enemies and even children were sacrificed to.
A little obsessive in trying to paint everyone here as Islamic aren't you?
December 31st, 2007 at 10:10 amWayne. This is what I’m talking about when I decribe the selective outrage by the ‘progressives’ here.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 31, 2007 @ 10:16 am
Selective outrage? give me a break...
December 31st, 2007 at 10:20 amI am laughing my a$$ off at your post. The irony is as thick as fog on a morning coastline.
Captain, I think it's the sexist "for a girl" part that got Wayne riled.
December 31st, 2007 at 10:25 amNot "ballsie"
You wrote that you see intolerance when you see it, but you don't seem to see it when it exists in you.
And what kind of conservative doesn't believe in personal responsibility?
You, apparently; how do you blame "regulars" on here for the negative behavior of others? Aren't they responsible for their own actions?
And perhaps the opposite is true. Perhaps the years of attacks from the right on this site have made "regulars" intolerant?
One message, and then banned?
Wow! What did you say?
Comment by Zooey — December 31, 2007 @ 1:15 am
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I said that I witnessed a person spitting on a Vietnam veteran. The veteran was protesting against the Vietnam war at the time and the person who spat on the veteran was a flag humping, chickenhawk, draft dodging, coward just like Dick Cheney.
December 31st, 2007 at 10:26 amHmm, I am in no way suggesting the right is to blame for any intolerance on the left or any manifestation of it here.
December 31st, 2007 at 10:31 amI think it's a bogus argument to make. That is my point. Life is about choices. No one on here has ever been forced to write anything. It's a poor excuse you give, Captain. That's what I'm saying.
Your behavior, my behavior, is not excused by "intolerance" from others.
When someone comes here and says. “F_ck Jesusâ€, I see intolerance.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 31, 2007 @ 10:25 am
I don't speak for Zooey, and I'm not going to claim I know for sure what she meant by that remark, but I'll tell you how I interpreted it.
I didn't take her obscenity toward Jesus as a personal attack on Jesus Himself. I saw it as a condemnation with the perverted way that the name of Jesus has been used to defend and justify a lot of things most un-Jesuslike. Like war, greed, bigotry, violence, etc. etc. While I probably would find a less offensive way to express the same sentiment, I can understand the use of an extremely provocative comment like that to get attention.
The name of Mohammed has also been used to justify some rather unsavory things as well, as 9/11 has shown. If someone here said "F Mohammed", I would probably interpret it the same way, unless it came from someone who had known hatred against all things Islam.
December 31st, 2007 at 10:49 amAlways remember CaptainMantastic, according to the Bible, Jesus was a Liberal who was crucified by neo-conservatives.
December 31st, 2007 at 11:03 amSo, according to the Huckster, abortion is okay with him so long as the doctor does it for free?
"No charge. This baby-killin' is on me, ma'am."
December 31st, 2007 at 11:10 amThere is incredible intolerance being perpetrated in the name of Islam; but I wouldn’t put up with, and noboby here, would put up with someone posting “F. Mohammedâ€.
Comment by CaptainMantastic
Let's test it, and see:
F#ck Mohammed.
And Buddha. I always hated that fat bastard...
December 31st, 2007 at 11:10 amIf Bin Laden was wearing a blue dress with Bill Clinton’s semen on it the GOP would have found him 7 years ago.
-GSD
Comment by GSD — December 30, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
Or hiding in a public men's room stall.
December 31st, 2007 at 11:38 amTherefore, the commandment actually reads, “thou shalt not murderâ€.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 31, 2007 @ 11:13 am
Correct.
December 31st, 2007 at 11:43 amHe is NOT qualified to be President, we do not need a nut job in the White House, the one we have had for 7 years is enough.
Any Canidate who publicly spouts religion should not be able to run for office.
Bush/Cheney
Hague Trials '09
Buck Fush
December 31st, 2007 at 11:56 amAnybody truly concerned about the number of abortions should be advocating for improved sex education, including birth control and safe sex. Huck should be for increased funding of sex ed programs. Planned parenthood has prevented many more abortions than all the Doctor killing "right to Life" wackos combined. These fools are pawns in political plan to divide the country. The willful ignorance is astounding.
December 31st, 2007 at 12:01 pmWhen someone comes here and says. “F_ck Jesusâ€, I see intolerance.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 31, 2007 @ 10:25 am
You see what you want to see, no matter what's actually there.
December 31st, 2007 at 12:07 pm"you couched it with the Budda comment."
Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 31, 2007
I honestly thought it was a joke, and surprise, surprise - so did everyone else (although not a very funny one).
December 31st, 2007 at 12:35 pmHas anyone turned #559 into CAIR yet?
Comment by good_golly
I'm more afraid of the buddhists...
December 31st, 2007 at 12:43 pmAlways remember CaptainMantastic, according to the Bible, Jesus was a Liberal...
Comment by delafield — December 31, 2007 @ 11:03 am
Except that "...go and sin no more" part. ;)
December 31st, 2007 at 12:44 pmI’m more afraid of the buddhists…
Comment by barfly — December 31, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
"If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him." old Buddhist saying.
December 31st, 2007 at 1:15 pmExcept that “…go and sin no more†part. ;)
Comment by upright left — December 31, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
And how exactly does that instruction, given to the woman at the well who was sleeping with multiple partners, equal a conservative principle?
If you knew the first thing about Jesus or his teachings, you’d know that they are the anti-thesis of the current neoconservative christian philosophy.
There is NO similarity between the two. NONE.
Jesus condemned war of all kind, and called for peaceful resolutions to conflict.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 31, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
Simply pointing out the hypocrisy of liberals trying to claim Jesus as one of their own when He would actually be somewhere between our current labels of liberal and conservative. Anyone who wants to say Jesus would supprt their positions needs to be prepared to acknowledge the issues on which he would disagree. Jesus definitely wants us to help those who can't help themselves. Jesus also wants us to follow His teachings and to take responsibility for ourselves. ;)
December 31st, 2007 at 2:02 pmJesus condemned war of all kind, and called for peaceful resolutions to conflict.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 31, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
Don’t believe you can support this statement from the Bible. As we Conservative Christians say: “You’ll need a book, chapter, and verse on this one.â€
If you can support this statement from the Bible I’d appreciate it. Otherwise, I’ll simply read it as, “My opinion is that Jesus agrees with my opinion.â€
Please remember Jesus says in Matthew 22 that the greatest commandment is to love God and that the second greatest command is to love you neighbor as you love yourself. In these he suggests that you can’t do the second one without doing the first one.
Then Christ says that all the law and prophets hang on these commands. All the law would include the Leviticus prohibition of illicit sexual relationships including adultery and homosexuality.
This strikes me as rather conservative.
December 31st, 2007 at 2:44 pm"Abortion has been here since the beginning of time…. and it is always going to be. In the earliest times, women found ways and still remained true to their spirituality. It is/was a natural form of birth control to preserve the human race in time of hardship.
December 31st, 2007 at 3:16 pmSo ridiculous of these Christians to impose THEIR views, views that goes against the natural preservation of the human race."
Why shoud Christians have your views imposed upon us. If you want abortion to be legal, fine. I dont want my taxes paying for it. Christians should then be exempt from things which we find immoral.
Why shoud Christians have your views imposed upon us. If you want abortion to be legal, fine. I dont want my taxes paying for it. Christians should then be exempt from things which we find immoral.
Comment by slaughandsing — December 31, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
That's a great point! Can I get my share of this war money back! I'd prefer to give it to the women who are forced to make such difficult and private decisions
December 31st, 2007 at 3:27 pmLeviticus prohibition of illicit sexual relationships including adultery and homosexuality.
Leviticus says something about man lying with a man as an "abomination," which you and your "leaders" have interpretted as anti-homosexual. But the Bible is full of things that are an "abomination," such as eating pork. Ever eat bacon double-cheesberger? YER GOIN TO HELL!
Besides, it matters not what the Bible says... What matters is the rule of OUR LAW. The Bible has nothing to do with our law.
You live by the Bible all you can (be careful with those stones though!). Let other people live by their own morals.... And all people are bound by the basic principles of our Constitution -- which mentions nothing about christianity as have any sway over our laws.
December 31st, 2007 at 3:45 pmI'd like my share of the war money back too, please. Seriously, why do people get so upset about other people having abortions? How does this affect you in any way? Why is this even an issue? This is a private matter and has nothing to do with government or anyone else's religion. If you think abortion is so wrong then don't have one, and mind your own business.
December 31st, 2007 at 3:46 pmWhat meeroom said!!!
December 31st, 2007 at 3:56 pmAND THIS GUY IS WELL LIKE BY A LOT OF REPUBLICANS THIS COUNTRY IS IN TROUBLE. THOSE WITH COMMON SENCE HAVE NO POWER AND THOSE WITH POWER ARE NUTS.
December 31st, 2007 at 4:15 pmWhy shoud Christians have your views imposed upon us. If you want abortion to be legal, fine. I dont want my taxes paying for it. Christians should then be exempt from things which we find immoral.
Comment by slaughandsing — December 31, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
That’s a great point! Can I get my share of this war money back! I’d prefer to give it to the women who are forced to make such difficult and private decisions
Comment by dbadass — December 31, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
I think we may be onto something here. Not only would I like a refund of any tax money of mine that has gone to fighting stupid wars, but I'd like a refund of my portion of both Bush's and Cheney's salaries and government paid perks, as I don't think either one of them has met my expectations in their current offices. Oh, and I'd like a refund of all government money that has gone to corporate welfare, as I find that to be immoral. I'd just as soon have my tax money fund birth control and family planning so hopefully there will be fewer abortions while keeping them safe and legal.
Perhaps we could institute a "cafeteria" style of tax payments in this country. Everybody would pay the same amount in taxes as they do now, but they get to decide where their money goes. And if not enough people want to fund attacking another country, we don't do it.
December 31st, 2007 at 4:31 pmChristians often strike me as my Deadhead friends. They are always trying to outdoor each other with how cool they are with regards to their hobby. My Sugaree at Ventura was cooler then your Sugar Mag at Cinncinati!
December 31st, 2007 at 5:08 pmI am not opposed to the idea but don't facts have to be substantiated by evidences before they are facts? Seems more like a nice idea/value rather than a "fact"
December 31st, 2007 at 5:16 pmTell the truth, you really couldn't tell that "outdoor" was a typo. So is it the Deadhead thing that bugs you or the definition of fact? BY the way it is spelled exactly as it sounds, dbadass
December 31st, 2007 at 5:35 pmNot a problem. Huckabee will never be elected, his name is too goofy. When I was a kid there was a cartoon called "Huckleberry Hound."
And I chuckle at huckle every time I hear the name,
I think of the TV dog Huckleberry fame...
A candidate needs a stong name; think about it; Ron Reagan, George Bush, Bill Clinton, Harry Truman, etc, etc. When in recent history did someone win who had an unusual name? This really doomed Dukakis in the '88 election. That and that his wife drank rubbing alcohol.
BTW, Huckleberry Hound ALSO had a goofy southern accent.
December 31st, 2007 at 5:59 pmMaybe it's a gentle reminder to mellow out with the endlessly drawn out whatever they ares.
December 31st, 2007 at 6:05 pmWow, there’s a mature exchange. Zooey, you seem pretty ballsie for a girl, would you be as derogatory to the prophet Mohammed, worshipped by billions of Muslims? Do you realize that you are more intolerant than most Christians? They could have used you in the inquistion.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 31, 2007 @ 9:25 am
F_ck Mohammad.
December 31st, 2007 at 6:12 pmTry it very slowly... d, b, a, d, a, s, s! So whta's your issue now. I see not where I have been rude to you, corrupted your good name, challenged your intellect. You seem to be sort of upset in some way. Can we get back to the purpose of this site rather than some weird combat thing. I have never disrespected you in anyway nor followed you around anywhere so maybe you are mistaking me with someother fellow who apparantly is a dumbass
December 31st, 2007 at 6:23 pmOh no! Not again!
December 31st, 2007 at 6:29 pmAn interesting post.
December 31st, 2007 at 6:30 pmI wouldn't be so sure
December 31st, 2007 at 6:32 pmgreasy? dumbass? Aren't you usually the guy with the long winded issues of atheism as a belief system and asorted other scripture related stuff or is this a new you or perhaps a name jacked you? Maybe it is I who have mistaken you for someone else.
December 31st, 2007 at 6:40 pmWell this seems to be going nowhere.
December 31st, 2007 at 6:48 pmJeebus, Bart. Seek help.
Really.
December 31st, 2007 at 7:13 pmNot likely.
Happy New Year, Bart.
December 31st, 2007 at 7:25 pmMe and the dictionary.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 31, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
So I did have you confused with someone else. The dictionary has a very brief definition of atheism and only addresses it once
December 31st, 2007 at 7:33 pmYea it says its a Belief Dim Wit.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 31, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
Did I ever say it wasn't? What's with all the insults? Do you need a foot massage or something? Your tension seems very extreme. I have no beef with you, atheism, or anything else for the most part. Quite frankly prior to this interaction you have always struck me as pretty bright although a little too focused on too narrow a range of issues. Can we talk you down a little bit or should we just leave you alone for awhile?
December 31st, 2007 at 7:47 pmI used to love that show!
December 31st, 2007 at 7:57 pmSo anyway why all your aggression problems? Tough day? Not looking forward to the new year? I myself sort of think it is rude to corrupt a persons name and challenge their mental capacities and such but I understand that it is not uncommonin others in times of stress.
December 31st, 2007 at 8:07 pmThere's no upstairs where I live but I am headed out to see a band at a local venue so New Year's cheers to you too!
December 31st, 2007 at 8:43 pmI would close comments on this post. Clearly the comments have gotten out of hand.
December 31st, 2007 at 11:08 pmI understand why this would trouble people, but you do realize that he couldn't do this, right? The Supreme Court has said that women have a right to have an abortion to the extent that the fetus isn't viable outside the womb. The only way that a president could do this is to put more conservative people on the supreme court that could change the basis of roe v wade. Moreover, Congress is the body of our government that makes laws so Huckabee, or any other president for that matter, couldn't do this. Sure, presidents can make executive orders, but they couldn't make one that passes a new law. You people should learn more about government before you get so upset.
I am not saying that the guy is a good candidate. I don't know if he is or isn't. I am simply saying that he couldn't do this if he was elected. He would need at least one of the other branches of government.
January 1st, 2008 at 11:27 amComments by BARTLEBEE —
Wow.
For someone with so much knowledge of Christ, and Christianity, you sure haven't internalized his message very well, judging by this: "Jesus taught compassion for all, including ones enemies. Anyone good Sunday School student would know this." You've shown precious little compassion to dbadass, even when the guy was trying to be non-confrontational and apologetic.
January 1st, 2008 at 11:29 amGood for Jesus!
January 1st, 2008 at 3:01 pmWay off topic.
This will be my last comment at TP. The editorial staff has elected to remove my response to a rabid attack, while leaving the falsehoods of the other party for all to see. This is unacceptable.
I’ve had fun, and, I will doubtless run into many of you on, effectively moderated, forums.
I can’t leave without a warning, however. The troll known as BARTLEBEE is a narrow minded, ignorant, hateful, judgmental, abusive sh!t-stain. And, when challenged, it lies like the lowest of conservative trolls. Don’t dare to disagree with it or you may be the next one subjected to it’s foul abuse only to have your response deleted as happened to me in this thread:http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/29/huckabee-phone-call-with-god/#comment-4191249
Good bye.
Comment by pete — January 1, 2008 @ 10:57 pm
My beef is with the staff. I will no longer support their incompetance.
Comment by pete — January 1, 2008 @ 11:16 pm
January 1st, 2008 at 11:18 pmI'm not sure how all this posting about Jesus got started, but as much of it I read by the poster Bartelbee made perfect sense to me. Low-browed folks like Huckabee tend to wrap themselves in the cross and the flag to gain political advantage, and forget what the centerpiece of their religion actually stood for. I mean, what was the point of starting a new religion under Jesus when his followers want to just follow the old testament?
This thread was about abortion, so getting back to that, I found the recent post by bneals to be extremely naive to the matter. First of all, there already IS enough conservatives on the Supreme Court to overture Roe V Wade. Roberts won't do it though, because that would galvanize the opposition. He considers it settled law. However, that doesn't prevent the states from flouting the law and making abortion illegal, which has been going on. It doesn't prevent laws to make it difficult for an under 18 pregnant female to get a legal abortion by traveling to a city which provides the service, if she crosses state lines. If she travels with her aunt, the aunt goes to jail. There are laws which intrude on the privacy of the decision as well, such as required a woman to tell her husband, or a girl to tell her parents. (This is designed to set up obsticles and opposition to the woman, to make it difficult or impossible to go through with the decision). There are waiting periods too, and requirements to show women ultrasounds of their fetus and have nurses look at them judgeingly and shame them into having the baby. Presidents can make things very, very difficult for women and doctors and it all started with Reagan.
As a woman who lived through the enlightened 70's, it is difficult to witness these spanish-inquisition-type practices and political stances. It is difficult and shocking to see a day dawn where states are making it illegal or difficult to obtain abortions, or even obtain the pill. The question in the 70's was when will insurance companies start paying for the pill for us. Now the question seems to be will we even have the RIGHT to access to the pill or to accurate information. It's all falling away, and it's a damn shame that politicians like Huckabee can openly discuss putting doctors in jail and putting women back in the victim mode without a large, public backlash that would drive him back into the corners of ignorance from whence he came.
I agree with gummitch who said:
"I’m not sure which is worse, this belief (that women are children who are incapable of making sexual decisions) or the belief that women are the source of all Sin."
These kinds of beliefs, made openly by folks like Huckabee, have a profound affect on the culture and directly impact the social choices that women have. It's about more than the law and the conservatives know that. They know if you twist the culture, the laws become almost irrelevant.
January 2nd, 2008 at 10:32 am