This thread was about abortion, so getting back to that, I found the recent post by bneals to be extremely naive to the matter. First of all, there already IS enough conservatives on the Supreme Court to overture Roe V Wade. Roberts won’t do it though, because that would galvanize the opposition. He considers it settled law. However, that doesn’t prevent the states from flouting the law and making abortion illegal, which has been going on. It doesn’t prevent laws to make it difficult for an under 18 pregnant female to get a legal abortion by traveling to a city which provides the service, if she crosses state lines. If she travels with her aunt, the aunt goes to jail. There are laws which intrude on the privacy of the decision as well, such as required a woman to tell her husband, or a girl to tell her parents. (This is designed to set up obsticles and opposition to the woman, to make it difficult or impossible to go through with the decision). There are waiting periods too, and requirements to show women ultrasounds of their fetus and have nurses look at them judgeingly and shame them into having the baby. Presidents can make things very, very difficult for women and doctors and it all started with Reagan.

As a woman who lived through the enlightened 70’s, it is difficult to witness these spanish-inquisition-type practices and political stances. It is difficult and shocking to see a day dawn where states are making it illegal or difficult to obtain abortions, or even obtain the pill. The question in the 70’s was when will insurance companies start paying for the pill for us. Now the question seems to be will we even have the RIGHT to access to the pill or to accurate information. It’s all falling away, and it’s a damn shame that politicians like Huckabee can openly discuss putting doctors in jail and putting women back in the victim mode without a large, public backlash that would drive him back into the corners of ignorance from whence he came.

I agree with gummitch who said:

“I’m not sure which is worse, this belief (that women are children who are incapable of making sexual decisions) or the belief that women are the source of all Sin.”

These kinds of beliefs, made openly by folks like Huckabee, have a profound affect on the culture and directly impact the social choices that women have. It’s about more than the law and the conservatives know that. They know if you twist the culture, the laws become almost irrelevant.

This will be my last comment at TP. The editorial staff has elected to remove my response to a rabid attack, while leaving the falsehoods of the other party for all to see. This is unacceptable.

I’ve had fun, and, I will doubtless run into many of you on, effectively moderated, forums.

I can’t leave without a warning, however. The troll known as BARTLEBEE is a narrow minded, ignorant, hateful, judgmental, abusive sh!t-stain. And, when challenged, it lies like the lowest of conservative trolls. Don’t dare to disagree with it or you may be the next one subjected to it’s foul abuse only to have your response deleted as happened to me in this thread:http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/29/huckabee-phone-call-with-god/#comment-4191249

Good bye.

Comment by pete — January 1, 2008 @ 10:57 pm

My beef is with the staff. I will no longer support their incompetance.

Comment by pete — January 1, 2008 @ 11:16 pm

Wow.

For someone with so much knowledge of Christ, and Christianity, you sure haven’t internalized his message very well, judging by this: “Jesus taught compassion for all, including ones enemies. Anyone good Sunday School student would know this.” You’ve shown precious little compassion to dbadass, even when the guy was trying to be non-confrontational and apologetic.

I am not saying that the guy is a good candidate. I don’t know if he is or isn’t. I am simply saying that he couldn’t do this if he was elected. He would need at least one of the other branches of government.

Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 31, 2007 @ 7:40 pm

Did I ever say it wasn’t? What’s with all the insults? Do you need a foot massage or something? Your tension seems very extreme. I have no beef with you, atheism, or anything else for the most part. Quite frankly prior to this interaction you have always struck me as pretty bright although a little too focused on too narrow a range of issues. Can we talk you down a little bit or should we just leave you alone for awhile?

Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 31, 2007 @ 7:28 pm

So I did have you confused with someone else. The dictionary has a very brief definition of atheism and only addresses it once

Happy New Year, Bart.

Really.

Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 31, 2007 @ 9:25 am

F_ck Mohammad.