Huckabee Lies About His Iran NIE Cluelessness, Botches Timeline Again
Huckabee Lies About His Iran NIE Cluelessness, Botches Timeline Again
Earlier this month, former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee embarrassed himself when he was completely unaware of the new National Intelligence Estimate on Iran.
Days later, Huckabee defended his gaffe by misrepresenting the timeline of his mistake, quipping that the “report was released at 10:00 in the morning, the president hadn’t seen it in four years and I’m supposed to see it four hours later.
In a recent interview with Time’s Michael Scherer, Huckabee misrepresented the NIE timeline again:
That particular day [when the NIE came out], which I thought it was a little bit ridiculous to talk about, the report came out at 10 in the morning and it was like five in afternoon.
As Scherer points out in an editorial aside, the report “came out Monday Dec. 3. Huckabee was first asked about it in the evening of Dec. 4.” In fact, the NIE was released in the early afternoon on Dec. 3, which means Huckabee had nearly a day and a half to learn of the blockbuster new report before being queried on it.
Huckabee’s continued bamboozlement of the NIE timeline is yet another example of his glaring incompetence on key foreign policy issues.
Just this week, after former Pakistan Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto was assassinated, Huckabee bumbled twice in his knowledge of Pakistan, falsely claiming that the country was still under “continued” martial law and that Pakistan has “eastern borders” with Afghanistan.
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He is as stupid as Bush.
December 31st, 2007 at 1:18 pmNo wonder the neocons like this joker.
People keep talking about this as though the American public cares whether or not their President is a lying idiot. They don’t. They’ve proven they don’t. Give it up. Find something that will actually resonate with the idiots that populate this country.
December 31st, 2007 at 1:20 pmjust another christian clown that’ll turn your smile upside down.
December 31st, 2007 at 1:20 pm“yet another example of his glaring incompetence on key foreign policy issues.”
-he’s a shoe-in. The republicans love incompetence.
December 31st, 2007 at 1:20 pmSome people say the Republicans would lose to a baked potato in 2008. I am one such person.
December 31st, 2007 at 1:21 pmWWJB?
Who Would Jesus Bullsh*t?
Huckabee/Maccabees 2008
-GSD
December 31st, 2007 at 1:22 pmSome people say the Republicans would lose to a baked potato in 2008. I am one such person.
Comment by Perry logan — December 31, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
Yukon gold, red pontiac, or russet? My vote hinges on this.
December 31st, 2007 at 1:24 pmEh, you never bake a Yukon gold, toasterhead. Sheesh.
Obviously, he meant a (tim) russet.
December 31st, 2007 at 1:27 pmThose Tim Russert potato(e)s taste awful. They have no eyes, instead they are covered with brown noses.
-GSD
December 31st, 2007 at 1:30 pmAw shucks, you keen’t blame ol’ huck? hee’s got a frieend in jeezus and don’t need nothing else. neither do you, shut up or he will kill you heathen non honkeys. he promised, member?
December 31st, 2007 at 1:32 pmHuck should abort his fetal candidacy.
December 31st, 2007 at 1:34 pmWhy would anyone vote for a family of animal abusers like the Huckabees?
A Son’s Past Deeds Come Back To Bite Huckabee – http://www.newsweek.com/id/78241
December 31st, 2007 at 1:34 pmI’d rather elect the uneaten donut at Huckabee campain headquarters.
December 31st, 2007 at 1:35 pm*campaign
December 31st, 2007 at 1:36 pmThe Huckster is in w-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-y over his head. That puts him in the same league and GDumbya, Condoleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezza and the rest of the Keystone Kops.
Want the next four years to look just like the past seven? Vote for The Huckster.
This story reminds me of GDumbya during the 2000 campaign referring to Musharraf as “the general” — he couldn’t remember his name. Then what happens? All of a sudden, Musharraf is his butt-buddy and he’s throwing billions of dollars at him. Sure knows how to pick his friends, doesn’t he?
What will happen when Musharraf is assassinated? GDumbya will probably install Chalabi in his place.
lol
December 31st, 2007 at 1:36 pmis there anyone else running president that knows more about homosexuality than huck?
eh?
December 31st, 2007 at 1:37 pmYukon gold, red pontiac, or russet? My vote hinges on this.
Comment by toasterhead — December 31, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
What’s the matter with Idaho potatoes? Their not too gay are they?
December 31st, 2007 at 1:46 pmWhat’s the matter with Idaho potatoes? Their not too gay are they?
Comment by Saint Augustine — December 31, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
I’ve been boycotting Idaho ever since I was forced to watch Napoleon Dynamite.
December 31st, 2007 at 1:49 pmHuck-a-spud after being boiled will be mashed and served at the church picnic.
December 31st, 2007 at 1:55 pmThe choice for the Repubs VP will be Joe Lieberman.
December 31st, 2007 at 1:58 pmI have been peering through the stall and have been trying to get an eye on your potato for over an hour.
-Larry Craig(R)-Stall # 2
December 31st, 2007 at 1:58 pmApparently overlooked in his comments on Pakistan was his erroneous reference to Benazir Bhutto as a “presidential candidate.” She was running for Prime Minister.
December 31st, 2007 at 1:59 pmAmazing first 19 comments.
We should probably shut up about Huckabee. If he gets nominated, it’d be like delivering a big bucket of FAIL to the republican party. Although, just about every candidate is like that. Ron Paul is about the only one who isn’t a lunatic / obvious moneyseeker. But I just can’t vote for someone who’s retarded enough to think the IRA can be just eliminated without issue. Gods cannot comprehend the complexity of America’s tax system. How could a paper worshipper do so?
December 31st, 2007 at 1:59 pm“…which I thought it was a little bit ridiculous to talk about…”
December 31st, 2007 at 2:01 pmRidiculous??! Your ‘Dear Leader’ trying to lie again about a threat that did not exist in order to start yet another illegal war and this imbecil thinks it was “little to talk about’!!!!!! Your ‘Dear Leader’ getting cought lying againg is ‘little to talk about’. I would like to know what this imbecil thinks about WAR CRIMES AND INTERNATINAL LAW!
he’s a shoe-in. The republicans love incompetence.
Comment by Godfry Daniel — December 31, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
You mean as in shoe-in-mouth?
December 31st, 2007 at 2:02 pmYou may be a big help to the Conservatives in getting a better candidate nominated. Keep up the good work.
Comment by good_golly
You mean there is a better GOP candidate? Who might that be?
Huckabee stands for everything the right side stands for: bigotry, racism, torture, spying, american taliban, discrimination, etc…Actually, he sounds a lot like bush. He would ensure a GOP smackdown at the polls.
December 31st, 2007 at 2:17 pmSure good_golly because lots of Republicans come to Think Progress to see who they should vote for. There’s not many sycophants like yourself who would come here to argue for the Chimp in Chief like you trolls do. You are a dying breed.
Oh and when we need your advice you’ll see pigs flying overhead.
December 31st, 2007 at 2:19 pmHowever, I remember hearing a roundtable of pundits on MSNBC or CNN discussing the candidates. At issue was a statement by a Huck staffer that the candidate had no foreign policy credentials. The pundits seemed to think that this would appeal to some voters who would take it as evidence of just being a genuine folk. Remember, we elected Bush that way.
December 31st, 2007 at 2:21 pmOh and good_golly it’s the DEMOCRATIC Party. How would you like it if we called your’s the Rethugs instead of the Rethuglican Party?
December 31st, 2007 at 2:21 pmHuckabee is just like W in another way. The retard Republic (h/t to good_golly) voters thought Bush was the kind of guy they’d like to have a beer with. Bush couldn’t have that beer because he’s an alcoholic and Huckabee can’t have it because Babtists don’t drink, well beer anyway. They’re too busy selling moonshine and drinking in their closets.
December 31st, 2007 at 2:24 pmSHAZZAAYM !!
∞
December 31st, 2007 at 2:24 pmThe precedent for an incompetent religious fanatic as President has already been set. Unfortunately for the US, there are enough fanatics and fundamentalists to make such a candidate a plausible contender despite the last seven years of disaster. Amazing.
December 31st, 2007 at 2:25 pma big bucket of FAIL
Ha! Very good
December 31st, 2007 at 2:26 pmRemember, we elected Bush that way.
Comment by JMOHR — December 31, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
Yeah ! And haven’t those hot dogs at the imaginary BBQ., that ‘we’ sooo wanted to be at with him, gone down smoothly.
∞
December 31st, 2007 at 2:30 pmUnfortunaltely before too long I’m afraid Chuckleberry will be eating a big piece of humble pie as he learns that the regular Republicans were only joking when they said they were the party of “real” Christians.
December 31st, 2007 at 2:31 pmsounds a lot like you are describing the history of the Demokkkrat party in America. Click the link on my name. Read and learn.
Comment by good_golly
By your word phrasing (democrat party) your allegiance to bush – and his clown posse – is clear. The juvenile and silly word games come from folks whose accomplishments are hard to find, and even harder to explain. To even suggest the dems are the more notorious of the two is the height of chutzpa. Your reverance for the right side is making your judgement suspect – but then, you already knew that.
December 31st, 2007 at 2:34 pmStratrat, when it comes to bigotry, racism, discrimination, etc…. it sounds a lot like you are describing the history of the Demokkkrat party in America.
Comment by good_golly — December 31, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
Well, idiot, then perhaps you can explain to us why 90%+ of black Americans vote for Democrats.
December 31st, 2007 at 2:35 pmIf it was about gays and lesbians…he would have heard it quickly…at a light’s speed…
December 31st, 2007 at 2:36 pmI think “Huck is F***ed”
December 31st, 2007 at 2:43 pmI hope he wins the repug nomination because, then, the Dems will have a cakewalk to the presidency.
December 31st, 2007 at 2:46 pmHuckleberry is as clueless as GWB. He has spent all his life cloistered in Arkansas. His religion may give him comfort, but he hasn’t thought through any of the complexities of the issues in dealing with America as a whole, much less international matters.
He denies science, placing his trust in his biblical beliefs instead.
We have already seen the havoc wrought by another man with no sense of science, history or georgraphy, we could perish as a democratic nation if we must endure another 4 years of such (lack of) leadership. The man is not fit for the presidency.
As it stands, the Democrat who takes over in 2009 will have a monumental task before him, with challenges as we have not seen in generations, and a right wing dominated press that will see to it that his/her challenges are made even moreso.
Up is Down Watch:
“KABUL, Afghanistan – U.S. military deaths, suicide bombings and opium production hit record highs in 2007. Taliban militants killed more than 925 Afghan police, and large swaths of the country remain outside government control.
PAID POLITICAL ADVERTISEMENT
But U.S. officials here insist things are looking up……”
Clearly increased killings and increased output are signs that things are looking up.
Orwell is rolling over.
-GSD
December 31st, 2007 at 2:46 pmAll those earlier potato metaphors are hilarious! Thanks, guys.
December 31st, 2007 at 2:48 pmGood Golly has jumped on the Republican Up is Down bandwagon and claims that the party that embraced racism as a political strategy for the past 30 years is really the party of racial healing.
-GSD
December 31st, 2007 at 2:49 pmGood Golly has jumped on the Republican Up is Down bandwagon and claims that the party that embraced racism as a political strategy for the past 30 years is really the party of racial healing.
Comment by GSD — December 31, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
This isn’t the first time I have seen a Bush goose stepper try to get traction with this absurd argument. How much ignorance and denial does it take to reach this level of toxic stupidity? It is little things like this that convince me the end is near for the GOP as we now know it.
December 31st, 2007 at 2:57 pmHuckabee spends half of his campaign time talking about religion and how he is the man from heaven to lead…and the other half showing an interest in gays and lesbians affairs,whom he promised to take care of.
Such news about Iran, came late to him, is not a surprise…He is running as the preacher president of America,who will be taking America to new levels of evengelicals’ dreams.
Other issues are not so important to Huckabee….
December 31st, 2007 at 3:01 pmExercepts from Steve Gilliard:
What has conservatism given America? .. It hasn’t given us anything we didn’t have, and it wants to take away our freedoms.
The Founding Fathers, as flawed as they were..understood ..a man’s path to God needed no help from the state. Is the religion of these conservatives so fragile that they need the state to prop it up…?
December 31st, 2007 at 3:02 pmConservatism plays on fear and thrives on lies and dishonesty…
Honest, decent conservatives ..have been replaced by the party of greed. It is one thing to want less government interference and smaller, fiscally responsible government. It is another thing to be a corporate whore, selling out to the highest bidder.
They are building an America which cannot be sustained. One based on the benefit of the few at the cost of the many. The indifferent boss who hires too few people and works them to death or until they break down sick. Cheap labor capitalism has replaced common sense…
For the better part of a decade, the conservatives made liberal a dirty word. Well, it isn’t.
It represents the best and most noble nature of what America stands for: equitable government services, old age pensions, health care, education, fair trials and humane imprisonment. It is the heart and soul of what made American different and better than other countries. Not only an escape from oppression, but the opportunity to thrive in land free of tradition and the repression that can bring…a democracy which doesn’t enshrine the rich, but makes them recognize an obligation to their workers.
Who needs facts, when you’ve got Jesus on your side.
December 31st, 2007 at 3:08 pmResponse to Comment 31: GoodGolly you certainly are a very stupid person. Of course the Democratic party showed racist tendancies. Most Republicans did as well after the Civil War. It is something that no one in either party should be proud of. However, in the 60’s and 70’s, it was the Democratic party that took the lead in championing civil rights and not the Republicans.
JFK took persuading as did most other politicians because whites were racist. The advances that took place in civil rights and personal liberties under the Warren Court were actually an accident. President Eisenhower and the Republican party regretted his appointment . Many of the “liberal” precedents that the Republicans now decry arose from that court. JFK was the first president to throw the power of the presidency behind ending the lynchings, discrimination and intimidation against the blacks in the sourth. The Republicans decried the impingement upon states rights. LBJ continued the trend towards supporting civil rights.
The south had been a solid Democratic bastion since the civil war (an obvious reaction against the Civil War) and LBJ said that his support of Civil Rights would cost the Democratic party control of the south. It did.
It has been the Republican party that opposed bussing, support “private” schools to avoid the dictates of the Brown case, equal employment legislation, affirmative action and every other action designed to support the cause of equality. The Republicans are the ones who today support the “caging” of black voter districts in Florida, Ohio and other states to challenge black voters. It is the Republican party that ran the Willie Horton ad to appeal to racism. It was George Bush supporters that ran push polling during the primaries for the 2000 election to attack McCain by suggesting that he had a “black” baby. Was it not the Tennessee Republican party that unloosed the “call me” ads against Harold Ford to enlist miscigenation in the election. And I am sorry, but the DoJ Civil Rights Division has only found one case in the United States involving a black to take to court under the 1964 Civil Rights Act (and if I remember, it was a case alleging that the blacks discriminated against the whites.)
I was born in 1952. I grew up in a small town in northern Ohio and saw the racism in my community and own family. I will not say that these were bad people, but these were people who reflected the shared values of their generation, right or wrong, as did the founding fathers (most of whom owned slaves.) I went to law school, served in the military as a JAG and later in industry as a senior counsel. I have been in every part of the country. I can tell you this much. We have improved significantly during my life time. Racism has been reduced far more than I would have believed as a young man. However, it still exists. I also know one other thing, our entire society reflected racism in the past. What I know, and what I care about is the here and now. In my lifetmime, I saw only Democrats championing the cause of civil rights, I saw primarily Republicans resist progress in every case. I have seen the Republicans turn to code words for racism to gain support in the south and to drum up support in elections.
Blacks vote overwhelmingly for Democrats for one purpose, they know Democrats have provided more support for civil rights and the Republicans have not. I will not say that Democrats have appropriately supported Black Americans. However, they have done far more than the Republicans.
I have seen this recent trend of Republicans pointing to the Civil War era and the dark days of the beginning of the Civil Rights Era to tar Democrats. I guess you could attack George Washington and Thomas Jefferson in the same manner. At best, it is rank revisionism since it seeks to imply that the Republicans are great supporters of civil rights. That is pure BS.
December 31st, 2007 at 3:09 pmYou know I could post volumes on the history of racism in the Democrat party; but I don’t want to take your post off-topic. Remember now, this one is about bashing Huckabee. Bash away. Bash away.
Comment by good_golly — December 31, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
We know that already. The Democratic party has a very racist early history, whereas the Republicans freed the slaves. Then in the early 20th century, the two parties switched sides in terms of racial politics. This should be common knowledge for anyone with a grade-school knowledge of history.
December 31st, 2007 at 3:09 pmGG refers to racism in the Democratic party (as he slurs the party name with the partisan version ) — when the Democratic party was splintered in the mid-sixties. After the Civil Rights act was passed, the Democrats who disagreed left the party to become Dixiecrats. The Democrat party remained committed to its ideals and the Dixiecrats have either died or reformed.
December 31st, 2007 at 3:11 pmSince the advances of the sixties for blacks and women, it has been the Republican party which has worked diligently to overturn those advances and return the nation to its previous divisive, unfair and unequal state.
Good Golly confuses all Democrats with what should be Conservatives. It has been Conservatives, Republican and Democrat alike who over the years have been the greatest racists in America.
-GSD
December 31st, 2007 at 3:21 pmComment by good_golly — December 31, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
Where do you find this silly shit? Aren’t the internets totally amusing and often irrelevent? We spend so much time teaching information literacy these days in response to the inability of the students to critical judge the validity of so many of the sites they find with their random searches
December 31st, 2007 at 3:23 pmIgnore good__golly. Sufficient response has been given. The Troll’s intent is now only to disrupt.
December 31st, 2007 at 3:24 pmNo more on the job training. The pace of this world cannot stand to have someone not up to speed from the first day.
December 31st, 2007 at 3:26 pmFrank- were you aware of it?
December 31st, 2007 at 3:28 pmHuckabee Lies…. it seems they all LIE if there is a R with their name.
December 31st, 2007 at 3:30 pmIn Congress right now, we have the most obstructionist repugs in history, not allowing business to go through. And we have a pres. once again lying as he always does, to the public how the democratic party can not get anything done. On top of that we have a fascist MSM going along with the lies misleading the public into believing this big lie. The Huck is going with the flow as he knows he is protected by the MSM.
People expect those running for office to speed. If they can’t get it now, they can’t get it done when it counts.
December 31st, 2007 at 3:30 pmsorry, “to be up to speed”
December 31st, 2007 at 3:31 pmComment by JMOHR — December 31, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
He never had any other purpose.
I appreciate your post above, but it was lost on the troll who doesn’t have any intention of an honest exchange of ideas.
December 31st, 2007 at 3:32 pmResponse to comment 61: The NIE was the biggest piece of political news in the United States. A president of the United States will be expected to respond quickly and decisively to world events. Here we are talking about just knowing what is going on. If this candidate and his staff were unaware of the NIE and its impact on one of the most important campaign issues in the primary, it is also true that this candidate is just not ready for prime time. Is this not the same lack of foreign policy experience and intellectual curiosity that we all agree cause the remarkable foul ups in handling the Iraq War? Both supporters and detractors agree that the management of the war has been incompetent.)
December 31st, 2007 at 3:34 pm# 63 Comment by Frank M
December 31st, 2007 at 3:34 pmIt is a sad day in America when Americans are willing to go along with the lies or bury their head and not accept lies for the good of their party rather than the betterment of our country.
Actually, I don’t understand why he should have been aware of it all. It didn’t concern his campaign at all. He shouldn’t have even bothered to answer any such questions.
Comment by Frank M — December 31, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
Last time I checked, Mike Huckabee was running for President of the United States, not President of Mike Huckabee’s Campaign. It would behoove him to be up-to-date on critical issues that affect the United States.
December 31st, 2007 at 3:34 pmMike Huckabee in Iowa last Friday:
Huckabee called Bhutto’s death a tragedy, but he suggested she had been a threat to Islamic fundamentalists. “An educated, sophisticated, strong, capable woman leader — that does pose a threat to those who don’t believe that women should be given that platform and that level of equality,” Huckabee said.
Mike Huckabee praising Southern Baptist Convention in 1998:
“You are right because you called wives to graciously submit to their husband’s sacrificial leadership.”
For more details, see:
December 31st, 2007 at 3:35 pm“Huckabee: Bhutto Did Not Graciously Submit to Woman’s Role.”
Some people say the Republicans would lose to a baked potato in 2008. I am one such person.
Comment by Perry logan — December 31, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
If the Republicans were not putting forth potted plants as their candidates, they might have a very small chance. Very small chance.
December 31st, 2007 at 3:36 pmIt didn’t concern his campaign at all.
Comment by Frank M — December 31, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
Oh, but it does concern his campaign. After all, he is running for the presidency of the US of A -you know, a job that requires knowledge of foreign policy.
And since Iran is made up to be one of the biggest threats lately, I’d expect a presidential candidate to be up-to-date about it.
December 31st, 2007 at 3:36 pmI think Frank’s point is that Huckabee has no hope of actually being elected President so he may not really need to be aware of the things a president might want to be aware of. Huckabee is a momentary sideshow at best, although his presence is useful in “mitigating” the fluff boy former MA gov and the “family values” I just happened to be in NY on 911 city mayor
December 31st, 2007 at 3:37 pmI’m still not convinced the Huckster is the least electable. There are a huge number of people who will vote for whomever has “the strongest faith” without regard for any other issue. McCain, Ghoulie, and especially Romney are all viewed with a certain distaste by the hardcore “religious right”.
OT/
Arguing about what the Dems and Reps did 40-150 years ago is a fools errand. What matters is what today’s candidates, and their parties, stand for today. The defection of “Dixiecrats” after Kennedy and Johnson is well documented. The respective parties are very different than they were before.
Case in point; can you imagine any modern Republican saying what Teddy Roosevelt said here?
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
I rest my case.
December 31st, 2007 at 3:38 pmStratrat, when it comes to bigotry, racism, discrimination, etc…. it sounds a lot like you are describing the history of the Demokkkrat party in America. Click the link on my name. Read and learn.
Comment by good_golly — December 31, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
I read the article and it leaves out just a few things.
1) Nobody disputes that it was Abraham Lincoln and the Republicans who fought for an end to slavery, and sought to recognize the equality of black Americans during Reconstruction. It was the Democrats who were the reactionaries back then. And the Republicans were the flaming liberals. But then isn’t now.
2) It was Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, who instituted the beginnings of many of the modern day civil rights reforms — basically starting what Lyndon Johnson completed when he signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, effectively ending Jim Crow laws forever (as well as writing off the South as part of the Dem base). Most of the South voted for Goldwater — the Republican candidate — later that year.
3) It’s true that Eisenhower pushed for civil rights legislation, and said legislation was blocked and filibustered by Democrats. Southern Democrats. Conservative Democrats. The liberal Democrats were the ones writing the legislation and fighting for its passage.
It has always generally been the progressives who have fought for civil rights for all, and the conservatives who have fought to maintain status quo no matter who is being discriminated against.
December 31st, 2007 at 3:38 pm# 73 Comment by AngryOn
Good find… this fits the huck.
December 31st, 2007 at 3:40 pmComment by Frank M — December 31, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
Politicians are supposed to keep up with political things. Why is it that GOPers want a president that ignores and misremembers?
December 31st, 2007 at 3:41 pmComment by missmolly — December 31, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
Further, I’d like to add this is the year 2007. The larger topic of the thread is the presidential campaign of 2008 not of 1860.
good_golly is still fighting the civil war, apparently.
December 31st, 2007 at 3:41 pmVote for me! I misremeber and cannot recall more than Alberto!
December 31st, 2007 at 3:42 pmComment by Frank M — December 31, 2007 @ 3:39 pm
It is true Huckabee is running on “Christian values”, except he is not running for the job of priest at the local parish.
You see, foreign policy will be one of his “core issues”, should he get elected. He ought to be up to speed on it by now.
December 31st, 2007 at 3:44 pmLast time I checked, Mike Huckabee was running for President of the United States, not President of Mike Huckabee’s Campaign. It would behoove him to be up-to-date on critical issues that affect the United States.
Comment by toasterhead — December 31, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
Why, that would not be Bush-like at all?
December 31st, 2007 at 3:45 pmThey don’t want someone competent, they want a Republican.
Someone who, while others were studying history in school, was wrapping rubber bands around their neck, like good_goofy.
good_golly is still fighting the civil war, apparently.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — December 31, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
I don’t think so. I am pretty sure it is just what used to be called “an attention getting device”
December 31st, 2007 at 3:46 pmBush ran on Christian values and we ended up with a culture of corruption, and even I, as a religious person, can see thru the religious canard the politicians are using.
Reed, Abramoff, Delay took the evangelicals money then turned around and called them wackos.
December 31st, 2007 at 3:46 pmOh, and Frank M,
why do you bother posting your babble in a thread about the 2008 presidential campaign?
Since you called democracy a “mistake” (or was it an “error”), and you have advocated the rule of a strongman, the discussion currently underway in this thread should be irrelevant to you, the proponent of fascism that you are.
December 31st, 2007 at 3:48 pmThe moral majority canard got wiped out by Rove and Bush. Huckabee does seem to actually be more willing to help people but that would raise taxes.
http://www.taxhikemike.org/
December 31st, 2007 at 3:49 pmComment by Xisithrus — December 31, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
You are very correct in this statement. I myself am a humanistic agnostic. I am just wondering and apologize in advance for being off topic but are the followers of other major faiths subject to the same sorts of charlatans and scammers that the Christians seem to be forced to deal with? I have never heard my Buddhist friends mention that if they don’t cough up more dough, there will be no more incarnations or anything like that. Just wondering!
December 31st, 2007 at 3:53 pmWhy, that would not be Bush-like at all?
They don’t want someone competent, they want a Republican.
Someone who, while others were studying history in school, was wrapping rubber bands around their neck, like good_goofy.
Comment by Wayne — December 31, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
Exactly why Huckabee will be the next President of the United States.
December 31st, 2007 at 3:57 pmJust a couple of observations about Huckabee:
1) The guy obviously needs better handlers. Granted, it’s tough to stay abreast of all current events when one is spending 18 hours a day campaigning. This is why people carry Blackberries. Or at the very least, have staffers keep up with what’s going on and provide briefings (and if the candidate is particularly feeble-minded, the staffers brief the candidate with current events AND decide what the candidate’s position is going to be).
2) America likes electing governors to the presidency, due to their “executive experience”. Four out of the past five presidents were state governors. But there’s a big difference between a state governor who sees his state as his entire universe, and one who sees beyond the state lines and has an appreciation for how his state fits into a much larger entity.
Huckabee is rapidly impressing me as somebody who has never ventured beyond the bible belt. The evangelical right may adore him, but I would imagine the more cosmopolitan parts of the GOP are probably looking elsewhere for a candidate.
December 31st, 2007 at 4:05 pmI am just wondering and apologize in advance for being off topic but are the followers of other major faiths subject to the same sorts of charlatans and scammers that the Christians seem to be forced to deal with?
People are suckers for many things, America is a predominantly christian nation and perhaps thats why the amount of people that fall into the televangelist schemes are high. I would imagine just as many people fall for phishing schemes etc..
December 31st, 2007 at 4:05 pmPersonally: domestic issues, character issues, and issues in general, are all but irrelevant. The prime concern of the upcoming election is to begin healing the damage Bushco has caused to our standing among nations. I feel, quite strongly, that the best way to begin recovery is a complete repudiation of the neocons and the party they have seized. I’m even willing to risk a Democratic “super majority”. Super majorities are best avoided in “normal” times, but, it’s the only way I see to send a clear message to the world. That all important message is:
“We effed up. We’re sorry. We are taking steps to make sure it never happens again”.
Neither the Huckster, nor any other Republican, shows any sign of embracing that message, or, taking any responsibility for the disastrous Bush administration. Until they do, I will vote against every national candidate with a (R) after their name.
December 31st, 2007 at 4:06 pmis there anyone else running president that knows more about homosexuality than huck?
eh?
Comment by joe cantwell — December 31, 2007 @ 1:37 pm
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Some people say that Rudy Giuliani has a very wide stance.
December 31st, 2007 at 4:09 pmPeople are suckers for many things, America is a predominantly christian nation and perhaps thats why the amount of people that fall into the televangelist schemes are high. I would imagine just as many people fall for phishing schemes etc..
Comment by Xisithrus — December 31, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
There’s a sucker born every minute…and two to take ‘em.” – con-man Joseph (”Paper Collar Joe”) Bessimer
( PT Barnum, never actually said this, but was falsely quoted as saying it in a newspaper )
December 31st, 2007 at 4:15 pmComment by Wayne — December 31, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
Indubetedly.
December 31st, 2007 at 4:16 pmPoliticians play upon our fears, our bias and our beliefs while discussing public policy behind closed doors.
They dont talk about lobbyists in their campaigns, they dont talk about public policy, they dont propose courses that extend decades into the future.
This is the information age and the politicians act as if we are a bunch of dolts glued to black and white televisions.
December 31st, 2007 at 4:21 pmThis is the information age and the politicians act as if we are a bunch of dolts glued to black and white televisions.
Comment by Xisithrus — December 31, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
Unfortunately, most of America is what you described.
December 31st, 2007 at 4:29 pm“…his glaring incompetence on key foreign policy issues.”
Perfect for the job of PresiDunce, a suitable replacement/substitute for Dubya.
December 31st, 2007 at 4:38 pmThe inherent problem with “Believers” in power is that they are conditioned to “Believe”. By definition they will, on some issues, place their Beliefs above what others learn through critical examination. When those Believers follow a militant Faith, like modern American Evangelical Right-wingers, they become a danger to all dissenters and, at their worst, enemies of reason itself. The Hucksters of the world are fully capable of initiating a new “Dark Age”. Indeed, we are on the brink already.
I don’t recall the source, but, it’s been said:
“When Faith and Power travel in the same cart, someone is bound to get trampled.”
December 31st, 2007 at 4:41 pmComment by Wayne — December 31, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
There is little if any evidence for most of the allegeded Yogi Berra quotes also but why bother to spoil their quaint nostalga
December 31st, 2007 at 4:46 pmWhat’s even more interesting is that the republicans themselves don’t even seem to have a handle on Huckabee:
December 31st, 2007 at 4:49 pmCheck this AP survey out!
“Four in 10 Republicans say they know too little about Mike Huckabee to even say whether they have a favorable impression of him, let alone whether he is conservative, liberal or moderate!”
Uh. What?
So what if it came out at 10 that day? Since it didn’t directly concern his campaign, I would expect that it would take several days for his staffers to put together a statement and inform him about it.
Get real. Not everything revolves around that NIE.
Comment by Frank M — December 31,
EVERYTHING REVOLVES AROUND THE NIE REPORT! WORLD WAR III IS A VERY VERY SERIOUS MATTER AND IT IS EXTREEMELY SERIOUS WHEN YOUR ‘DEAR LEADER’ IS LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND TO THE WORLD COMMUNITY INTO STARTING IT!!!! AS FOR AS LONG AS WAR CRIMINALS ARE RUNNING THIS VERY DANGEROUS SHOW, WITHOUT ANY ACCOUNTABILITY, PRACTICING TORTURE (WHICH BY THE WAY, YOU SEEM TO APPROVE IT) PROFITING WITH THE WAR THAT HAS CAUSED THE DEATH OF MILLIONS, INCLUDING 899 OF YOUR SOLDIERS, ALL BASED ON OBSCENE LIES… EVERYTHING REVOLVES AROUND IT! AND YOU SHOULD BE REMINDED OF THAT IN CAPITAL LETTERS WRITTEN IN RED!
December 31st, 2007 at 4:53 pm“Four in 10 Republicans say they know too little about Mike Huckabee
December 31st, 2007 at 4:55 pm“Four in 10 Republicans say they know too little about Mike Huckabee to even say whether they have a favorable impression of him, let alone whether he is conservative, liberal or moderate!”
3899!!!!!!! OF YOUR SOLDIERS…TYPE MISTAKE. A SAD ONE, I WISH I DIDN’T HAVE TO CORRECT IT…
December 31st, 2007 at 4:56 pm3901!!!!SORRY AGAIN!
December 31st, 2007 at 4:56 pmIf this guy is elected, I’m moving to Antarctica and living with the penguins.
December 31st, 2007 at 4:57 pmAND FRANKLY SPEAKING FRANK M. JUDGING BY YOUR COMMENTS, I DON’T THINK YOU WOULD HAVE THE GUTTS TO BE ONE OF THEM!
December 31st, 2007 at 4:58 pmI found this one at HuffPo. Enjoy!
December 31st, 2007 at 5:00 pmhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/jean-carnahan/new-years-letter-from-go_b_78113.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/featuredCrisis/idUSKHA921272
Air strikes on mountain villages around the town of Sankasar in northern Iraq on Dec. 16 destroyed much of Rasheed’s modest home as the family slept, injuring her 16-year-old daughter so severely that she had to have her leg amputated above the knee.
“We lost everything, even my daughter’s leg. Isn’t this terrorism from Turkey?” she said angrily.
“I have no hope of going back to my demolished home, all my livestock are dead and the future of my children is uncertain. How are they going to study here when I’m living in a small room like this?”
No, lady. Terrorism is made by the bad guys…the good guys have very bad luck sometimes.
December 31st, 2007 at 5:55 pmHuckabee’s continued bamboozlement of the NIE timeline is yet another example of his glaring incompetence on key foreign policy issues.
It’s also an indication of what a liar he is. But, then, being a liar is a requisite for being a Republiscum.
December 31st, 2007 at 6:11 pmThank you TP for focusing so much on Huckabee. You may be a big help to the Conservatives in getting a better candidate nominated. Keep up the good work.
Comment by good_golly
So what you are saying is that you think Conservatives read this blog and will be influenced by what we discuss here. I didn’t know that. Thanks for the information.
December 31st, 2007 at 6:15 pmFor the life of me I can’t see how anyone who calls themselves a “Christian” could vote for a man who actively pursued paroling a rapist and then said rapist did it again and murdered his last rape victim. The selective morality of these so-called “Christians” is breathtaking.
December 31st, 2007 at 6:16 pmOh, the “Nazi is the left” troll is here.
A splash of jingoistic propaganda waiting…
December 31st, 2007 at 6:16 pmI have seen this recent trend of Republicans pointing to the Civil War era and the dark days of the beginning of the Civil Rights Era to tar Democrats. I guess you could attack George Washington and Thomas Jefferson in the same manner. At best, it is rank revisionism since it seeks to imply that the Republicans are great supporters of civil rights. That is pure BS.
Comment by JMOHR
It’s all they have JMOHR, don’t take it away from them. Without it they have nothing left except for “Clinton did it”.
Excellent post BTW.
December 31st, 2007 at 6:26 pmYou gotta love goon_golly. He makes an off-topic post and then chastises us for responding to it because WE are derailing the thread. Can any one human being really be that stupid?
Let’s just flag him and move on. Goon_golly is a brick wall. Do you like banging your head on a brick wall? I’ll do it once maybe, but after that I stop.
December 31st, 2007 at 6:29 pmDumb Question: How come all these folks run for president when they aren’t interested in politics or current events. I remember Shrub saying that he wasn’t interested in studying organizational structure. Now Huck is so disinterested in the news that he is unaware of the NIE 2 days later .
I mean, why doesn’t he, like you know, have someone, like, prepare a daily briefing on what is going on ?
December 31st, 2007 at 7:49 pmVote for me! I misremeber and cannot recall more than Alberto!
Comment by Xisithrus — December 31, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
Thanks for my first chuckle of the new year
December 31st, 2007 at 8:03 pmPs. It is already 2008, where I am currently located.
December 31st, 2007 at 8:04 pmComment by Manslagt — December 31, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
hi mannie, here’s one you missed:
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/
it’s from a troll named bill over at “crooks and liars” who writes,
“please be open minded and look at this link”
happy new year, dude!
December 31st, 2007 at 8:09 pmIts already 2009 where I am currently located.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 31, 2007 @ 8:07 pm
it’s 1809 where manny’s located.
December 31st, 2007 at 8:15 pmit’s 1809 where manny’s located.
Comment by joe cantwell
That’s a good one, too–my second chuckle of 2008.
December 31st, 2007 at 8:40 pmIt doesn’t matter what year it is in my location…
December 31st, 2007 at 9:08 pmHuckabust is just that……a bust……..it’ll be McCain…..he’s the only one over there with any semblance of a brain……even then it’s better than Ron Paul……….but that ain’t sayin much….
December 31st, 2007 at 9:23 pmBartlebee are you in the Solomon Islands?
December 31st, 2007 at 9:25 pm. . . even an unprincipled turd like Bill “Double-Down” Bennett took a dump on Huckabee today on Wolf Blitzer’s GOP-fest. Looks like the Huckster ain’t gonna get the nod from Rove and the GOP money men who “make it all happen.”
December 31st, 2007 at 9:27 pmComment by good_golly — December 31, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
mr p. where is your pic?
December 31st, 2007 at 10:13 pmHere’s a great link from first read, on the huckster pulling a negative ad, except for him showing it to a roomfull of reporters, WTF????
December 31st, 2007 at 10:16 pmHuckster
HAPPY NEW YEAR BARTLEBEE AND EVERYBODY ELSE!!! I’m counting the minutes left for the War Criminals to end his regime… Happy 2008!
December 31st, 2007 at 10:54 pmHe was hung in Bagdad, remember?
Comment by good_golly
To our shame.
∞
January 1st, 2008 at 3:02 amHuckabee is nothing more than Dubya II. Another puppet for the neocon’s agenda who appeals to the redneck masses.
It’ll be interesting to see if this country is actually dumb enough to put him in the White House. Sad to say, the chance is there. They were stupid enough to elect Bush…twice!
Did scientists say there’s an asteroid headed for Mars? Are they sure it’s not Earth, so this madness can finally come to an end?!
January 1st, 2008 at 10:08 amTake it Back in 2008!
Nancy Pelosi is standing in the way of a full investigation into the crimes of the Bush/Cheney administration. She will not allow impeachment hearing to take place.
Please sign the petition to replace Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House. It is Constitutional and can be done during session. In fact the rule was written for just such an occasion; the removal of a complicit Speaker to advance the impeachment of a rogue administration.
http://www.petitiononline.com/everyman/petition.html
January 1st, 2008 at 10:31 amI remember reading front page stories about the NIE all over the place, and THEN reading about Huckabee’s clueless response about it. It shocked me that something every news source in the country was treating as a major bombshell was unknown to a presidential contender. He revealed not only that he didn’t read the NIE, but that he didn’t read a single newspaper or Web site, or watch any television news in the 36 hours after this huge story broke. He missed not just the NIE, but all of the national and world reaction to it.
January 1st, 2008 at 11:41 amGood_Golly is the assigned troll from the RNC. Ignore. Ignore.
January 1st, 2008 at 11:43 amComment by John Kerry — January 1, 2008 @ 12:50 pm
who are you quoting? another wingturd hack? another antiamerican repuke traitor? who?
January 1st, 2008 at 2:12 pmjk, where’s y8our cticism of Huckabee’s constant lying and incredibly deep ignorance of both domestic and foreign policy? y8ou quote some know-nothing trashing Clinton, but ignore the moron representing your interests? wow, how tranparently vacuous you are. you should run for repuke president; you’re as stupid as the rest of the field.
January 1st, 2008 at 2:14 pmDon’t miss the Newsweek article about how he abused his position as Gov. of Arkansas to cover up his son’s misdeeds (i.e., hanging a dog at the boy scout camp where he worked as a counselor).
January 1st, 2008 at 4:26 pmIn his defense the dog was possessed by evil secular thoughts
January 1st, 2008 at 4:50 pmWay off topic.
This will be my last comment at TP. The editorial staff has elected to remove my response to a rabid attack, while leaving the falsehoods of the other party for all to see. This is unacceptable.
I’ve had fun, and, I will doubtless run into many of you on, effectively moderated, forums.
I can’t leave without a warning, however. The troll known as BARTLEBEE is a narrow minded, ignorant, hateful, judgmental, abusive sh!t-stain. And, when challenged, it lies like the lowest of conservative trolls. Don’t dare to disagree with it or you may be the next one subjected to it’s foul abuse only to have your response deleted as happened to me in this thread:http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/29/huckabee-phone-call-with-god/#comment-4191249
Good bye.
Comment by pete — January 1, 2008 @ 10:57 pm
My beef is with the staff. I will no longer support their incompetance.
Comment by pete — January 1, 2008 @ 11:16 pm
January 1st, 2008 at 11:17 pmIn his defense the dog was possessed by evil secular thoughts
Comment by dbadass — January 1, 2008 @ 4:50 pm
Thanks for my third chuckle of the New Year.
January 2nd, 2008 at 3:07 ambilbobaggins:
“For the life of me I can’t see how anyone who calls themselves a “Christian†could vote for a man who actively pursued paroling a rapist and then said rapist did it again and murdered his last rape victim.â€
Are you referring to Michael Dukakis?
Comment by Manslagt — January 2, 2008 @ 12:12 am
No, Manster (name of a spammed product),
January 2nd, 2008 at 3:18 amBilbo isn’t referring to Michael Dukakis. For the record, Willie Horton, the convicted murderer (in a gas station holdup) whose case was so dearly exploited by George Bush Sr., did indeed rape a woman during a weekend furlough granted under Dukakis under a program initiated by a previous Republican governor, Francis W. Sargent. But Horton did not murder her nor was he paroled. Huckabee paroled a convicted serial rapist and murderer, despite pleas from victim-survivors and the bereaved families of victim non-survivors that he not do so–apparently because one of the victims was a 17-year old distant relative of Bill Clinton and the religious right claimed that she must have been lying about the rape