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Huckabee Too Busy Keeping Up With ‘Britney’ Gossip To Follow Foreign Policy

In an interview with the Quad-City Times yesterday, former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee tried to make excuses for his lack of foreign policy knowledge and his ignorance on the most recent National Intelligence Estimate on Iran. He compared the NIE to gossip about Britney Spears, saying he just can’t “keep up with every single thing“:

The point I’m trying to make is that, on the campaign trail, nobody’s going to be able, if they’ve been campaigning as hard as we have been, to keep up with every single thing, from what happened to Britney last night to who won “Dancing with the Stars.”

Presumably, presidential candidates are supposed to keep track of foreign policy developments more closely than celebrity gossip. But when asked about the NIE on Dec. 4 — a day after the report was released — Huckabee said he wasn’t even aware of it. Days later, Huckabee defended his gaffe by misrepresenting the timeline of his mistake, quipping that the “report was released at 10:00 in the morning, the president hadn’t seen it in four years and I’m supposed to see it four hours later.”

In fact, despite his lament that he is too busy to follow with current events, Huckabee seems to have had no trouble following the events of Britney Spears and her family. When asked on Dec. 20 about the pregnancy of Britney’s sister, Jamie Lynn Spears, Huckabee had no trouble in quickly giving a response:

It’s a tragedy when a 16-year-old who is not really prepared for all the responsibilities of adult life is going to be now faced with all the responsibilities of honest-to-goodness adult life. I respect it.

Apparently, she’s going to have the child and I think that is the right decision, a good decision, and I respect that and appreciate it. I hope it is not an encouragement to other 16-year-olds who think that is the best course of action.

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628 Responses to “Huckabee Too Busy Keeping Up With ‘Britney’ Gossip To Follow Foreign Policy”

  1. ralph the wonder llama Says:

    It doesn't take much of a stretch to read Huck's remark as equating foreign policy with Britney gossip.

    This is a man that a substantial number of Republicans want to win the presidency?

    I guess they've really enjoyed the last seven years.


  2. Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre Says:

    Do the HuckleCluck in two thousand oh eight and be a blithering idiot... Sounds perfect for the Know Nothing Party, which seems to be reviving after its collapse about a century and a half ago.


  3. Fritz Says:

    Republican's should be real happy with this guy. He's an uninformed moron...just like Bush.


  4. wisedup Says:

    And they want this bozo to have the'football' (nuke arming device)?


  5. Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre Says:

    The Know Nothing political movement in the 1850s (according to dear wikipedia) gave most of its support to the new Republican Party, which nominated Abraham Lincoln in 1860. Now some one hundred and forty seven years later, the Repubicans are giving rise to Know Nothings... Ironic?


  6. joe cantwell Says:

    And they want this bozo to have the’football’ (nuke arming device)?

    Comment by wisedup — January 1, 2008 @ 6:27 pm

    bozo? yes. but he's the republican's best candidate for the job.

    his name is huck.

    huck huckabee.


  7. Counselor1 Says:

    More frightening and disheartening than Huckaboob alone is the choice between him and Ghouliani, the ghoul trying to climb to the White House over the graves of the people killed on 9/11. If he gets the nod, I'd seriously have to consider voting for the Enabler in Chief, Hillary Clinton.


  8. Nachos of Justice Says:

    Now I'm really concerned about that leftover donut at Huckabee's campaign headquarters beating him in the in the next election.


  9. celtic cynic Says:

    It's a shame the Huckster can't keep up. Sorta sounds like the idiot dolt we now have in the WH who is protected by hordes of enablers and other deflectors and protectors. We don't need another.


  10. had enough Says:

    huck huckabee.

    Comment by joe cantwell —
    LOL....best one yet.


  11. Evil Spaniard Says:

    If he can't keep up today, being a simple Presidential wannabe, what makes us think that he will keep up being President, when information will flow far more quickly, stressful situations will emerge, and instant decissions must be made?


  12. grover nerdkissed Says:

    every single thing, from what happened to Britney last night to who won “Dancing with the Stars.”

    ...as if those are TWO ENDS of the SPECTRUM!!!!


  13. republicans are the Fear and Smear Party Says:

    "The person who is running for president is seeking to be the leader of the free world, not a Jeopardy contestant," said Karen Hughes, communications director for the Bush campaign. -

    Ms. Hughes was speaking about then-governor George W. Bush and his inability to name four leaders in four hot spots of the world.

    Reported by CNN on November 5, 1999
    http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/11/05/bush.popquiz/


  14. shoeless Says:

    It doesn’t take much of a stretch to read Huck’s remark as equating foreign policy with Britney gossip.

    This is a man that a substantial number of Republicans want to win the presidency?

    I guess they’ve really enjoyed the last seven years.

    Comment by ralph the wonder llama

    Sure. Check out Fox News sometime. You'll see more about Brittany than you will about the Iraq War.


  15. DenverOasis Says:

    yep, 16 year olds having kids is a good thing. let's definitely not tell the young'ns what a condom is.

    it's pretty scary that he compares entertainment/celebrity news to legitimate, important news.


  16. ralph the wonder llama Says:

    every single thing, from what happened to Britney last night to who won “Dancing with the Stars.”

    …as if those are TWO ENDS of the SPECTRUM!!!!

    Comment by grover nerdkissed — January 1, 2008 @ 6:56 pm

    Good point, Grover. maybe it's not so much that Huck has no respect for foreign policy expertise, more that he just doesn't understand how language and syntax work.

    Of course, THAT doesn't do much to distinguish him from the current POTUS, either.


  17. Nachos of Justice Says:

    I can pick up a gossip magazine for $2.95 at checkout instead of paying $400,000 plus free housing plus catering plus maintenance plus health insurance plus motorcades plus jet fuel, etc.


  18. Nevar Says:

    Classic Baptist overcompensation.
    Feeling guilty about an obsession with the flesh,
    they preach hell-fire and damnation to the rest of the sinners.


  19. Nevar Says:

    I dunno man, would you vote for the bass player?



  20. tarazan Says:

    The irony here is that while an applicant's knowledge is examined for even a secretary's job in any company, the people who are running for the highest office in the land,the Presidency, never were tested to see what they know about local and foreign affairs...
    The majority of them will not even pass a simple test in geography, modern or ancient history.

    Any wonder why our foreign policies in the Middle East, Latin America and many other places around the globe are nothing but failure.
    It is because the people who run these policies never were tested. They run these policies as OJT 'On The Job Training'.

    Huckabee is trying to cash on religion,gays and lesbians,and empty patriotism issues to pave his way to the presidency.
    We don't know what he knows about this wrold,foreign affairs,and wide range of international issues.

    The issue of 'what a candidate knows' is neither a Republican or Democratic issue,but rather an American one.
    Failure in this area can be very costly to America, in lives and dollars,as past experiences taught us.


  21. Nachos of Justice Says:

    Huck is a retired Marine Corps Major General **


  22. Nevar Says:

    Huck is a retired Marine Corps Major General **

    Comment by Nachos of Justice

    So Gomer made something of his career after all, huh?
    Gollllllleeeee!


  23. Nachos of Justice Says:

    Richard A. Huck, that is.

    Nachos, ever the tasty, catchy kind of Justice!!


  24. pete Says:

    I dunno man, would you vote for the bass player?

    Comment by Nevar — January 1, 2008 @ 7:21 pm

    Maybe Geddy Lee, but, he's Canadian.


  25. Nevar Says:

    caption:

    (Nucklebee covering Frank Zappa's Dyna Moe Hum....)

    Britney watched from the edge of the bed,
    with her lips just a twitchin'
    and her face gone red....
    some drool running down from her chinny chin chin,
    as she spied the condition her sister was in........


  26. Nevar Says:

    Maybe Geddy Lee, but, he’s Canadian.

    Comment by pete

    Take off, eh?
    ;)


  27. Ms_Joanne Says:

    Just remember, to a rethug, sex is a sin (unless it's them having it with prostitutes or underage male pages - oh wait, Huck espouses the marriage only (thus far) route, my bad - but national security is just too much damned work. It's much easier to f()k and s()k than to actually do those little presidential (nee, elected official) thingies - like READING intelligence reports, daily briefings, and all those other thingies that they have others to do for them. Oh wait, there was My Pet Goat.


  28. Keith Says:

    Huck said the reason it took him over a day to hear about the Iran NIE (it was all over every media) was that he could not afford a huge team of advisors!

    The mother of Jamie Lynn and Britney is now delaying the release of her book on parenting (no joke). She is shocked that the "abstinence-only approach" didn't work!

    Flea for POTUS?


  29. Zooey Says:

    Comment by Nevar — January 1, 2008 @ 8:05 pm

    Brilliant!

    Happy New Year, Nevar. :-)


  30. MCMetal Says:

    I dunno man, would you vote for the bass player?

    Comment by Nevar — January 1, 2008 @ 7:21 pm

    Yeah , if it was Geddy Lee ; not his retarded doppleganger , Shitty Lee , from a screwed up parallel universe.



  31. Keith Says:

    Ms Joanne, You gotta admit--W did a fine job reading My Pet Goat.


  32. Zooey Says:

    The mother of Jamie Lynn and Britney is now delaying the release of her book on parenting (no joke). She is shocked that the “abstinence-only approach” didn’t work!
    Comment by Keith — January 1, 2008 @ 8:14 pm

    That's just too precious.

    How long has her eldest been spiraling out of control? Mama Spears didn't feel the need to re-think her strategy until the youngest got knocked up? Lordy...

    Happy New Year, Keith. :-)


  33. Keith Says:

    Nappy, Yew Hear, Zooey


  34. Keith Says:

    Was Jamie's tv show "Zooey 101" modeled after you?


  35. zathrus Says:

    The only reason Huckabee "respects her decision" is because he agrees with what she decided. He has stated quite clearly that she should NOT have had any decision to make, but rather the State should make that decision for her. True respect is what you give to those you DON'T agree with. Respecting those you agree with is not exactly the kind of moral fortitude that I think we need in a POTUS.


  36. Nachos of Justice Says:

    Huckabee: I must confess...

    Britney: That you're a member of the McBible taliban? We already newz that--

    Huckabee: ....I still believe (still believe) When I'm not with you I lose my mind give me a sign, hit me baby one more time!


  37. Xisithrus Says:

    She is shocked that the “abstinence-only approach” didn’t work!
    Comment by Keith — January 1, 2008 @ 8:14 pm

    Heh.

    "Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision that he makes and we should just support that," -Brittney Spears

    Unless hes talking about abstinence.


  38. Nachos of Justice Says:

    Who knew that Nachos could taste so good AND be funny!!


  39. Roket Says:

    Shorter Huck:

    “Britney’s 16 yr old sister getting pregnant is a tragedy and I respect that and appreciate it because she’s going to have the baby instead of getting an abortion. However, abstinence only does work so don’t do this at home, all you 16 yr olds out there in TV land.”


  40. RUCerious Says:

    Huckster is pleading ignorance, and I, for one, believe him.

    Too much stuff to keep track of, right.


  41. Keith Says:

    “Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision that he makes and we should just support that,” -Brittney Spears

    Comment by Xisithrus — January 1, 2008 @ 8:19 pm

    I saw that interview. It was with Tucker Carlson on CNN's Crossfire. I think the topic was the Dixie Chicks controversy.


  42. Nevar Says:

    Happy New Year, Zooey....


  43. Zooey Says:

    Was Jamie’s tv show “Zooey 101″ modeled after you?
    Comment by Keith — January 1, 2008 @ 8:18 pm

    Are you joking? That's the name of her show?

    **runs sobbing from the room**


  44. Nachos of Justice Says:

    “Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision that he makes and we should just support that,” -Brittney Spears

    What if, Brittany, the president issued Executive Order 3504blahblah directing you to pay KFed for life?


  45. Nevar Says:

    Who knew that Nachos could taste so good AND be funny!!

    No one.


  46. Zooey Says:

    Whew.

    It's "Zoey 101."

    I don't have to change my name...


  47. Keith Says:

    Zathrus,
    You're right. If people like Huckabee ran the country, there would be no decision for people to make----politicians would say that abortion is illegal.

    Instead of a woman and her doctor making the decision, it would be a politician/exterminator like Tom DeLay.


  48. Zooey Says:

    Who knew that Nachos could taste so good AND be funny!!
    Comment by Nachos of Justice — January 1, 2008 @ 8:23 pm

    Did you take one too many Adderall today?


  49. Nachos of Justice Says:

    Oh well, I tried.

    HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!! MAY THE PRIMARIES TURN OUT FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF EACH AND EVERY AMERICAN!

    END ALL POVERTY!!

    CYA!


  50. Nevar Says:

    Yes, it's true Zooey.... did you hear about the driver who blamed the crash of his SUV on the couple having sex in the backseat, claiming it threw the vehicle off balance.....pretty wild neighborhood....
    :)


  51. Keith Says:

    I'm still telling everyone it was modeled after you. I've seen you in your scout uniform.


  52. Nachos of Justice Says:

    Did you take one too many Adderall today?

    Comment by Zooey — January 1, 2008 @ 8:29 pm

    No, it's just the sugar from the paint chips.


  53. Zooey Says:

    I’m still telling everyone it was modeled after you. I’ve seen you in your scout uniform.
    Comment by Keith — January 1, 2008 @ 8:30 pm

    Heh. I changed my picture just in time. :-)


  54. GSD Says:

    I just hope there won't be any pictures of Huckabee getting out of the car, a la Brittany Spears.

    -GSD


  55. Zooey Says:

    Comment by Nevar — January 1, 2008 @ 8:29 pm

    You know, some people just have more exciting lives than most... ;)


  56. Zooey Says:

    No, it’s just the sugar from the paint chips.
    Comment by Nachos of Justice — January 1, 2008 @ 8:31 pm

    Sugar-free paint chips are the way to go. You can eat more that way.


  57. Ms_Joanne Says:

    Keith, I would bet my bottom dollar that they wrote it out for him phonetically. He's not so good using words with more than one syllable and I think it had a couple of those.

    And I am sure there were the nights kept awake studying that phonetic briefing. It was a big day for him. He was so overwhelmed with the reading and what happened on 9/11 he had to disappear for a day or so (I forgot...anyone know the exact number of hours Bush was MIA after 9/11? I think it was at least 18 but no more than 30. Anyone got that number out there?)

    The thought that Huckleberry hound is even getting ANY percentages in GOP primaries is an embarrassment for our country. But then again...how many in our country need that phonetic rendition of My Pet Goat (wait, rendition is for another discussion! Nevermind. :-)


  58. Nachos of Justice Says:

    Huckabees! Huckabees! They're everywhere! Your defenses are useless against them! Run for your life!


  59. Nachos of Justice Says:

    Sugar-free paint chips are the way to go. You can eat more that way.

    Comment by Zooey — January 1, 2008 @ 8:34 pm

    Thanks for the advice! My Lowe's gift card should take care of it!



  60. Zooey Says:

    Thanks for the advice! My Lowe’s gift card should take care of it!
    Comment by Nachos of Justice — January 1, 2008 @ 8:36 pm

    Aw, hell no! If you go to old houses and eat those paint chips they're free!

    Use your Lowe's card for one of those "touch lamps." Classy.


  61. Keith Says:

    Ms Joanne, In the 2000 campaign, W was asked his favorite bookS as a child. He struggled and finally came up with "The Friendly Caterpillar". Turns out it wasn't published until he was like 24.


  62. Ms_Joanne Says:

    And to think, there are a quarter of our population who still love Bush.

    And here I thought Camus was his fav. (rolling eyes)


  63. Zooey Says:

    Comment by Keith — January 1, 2008 @ 8:42 pm

    Too funny...



  64. Keith Says:

    CORRECTION:

    When George W. Bush was asked about his favourite story from his childhood, he cited The Very Hungry Caterpillar. Amazon.com rates it as "baby preschool". It was published in 1983when Bush was 37 years old.


  65. Zooey Says:

    It was published in 1983when Bush was 37 years old.
    Comment by Keith — January 1, 2008 @ 8:58 pm

    Now that's just sick and wrong...


  66. Nevar Says:

    I LOVE TPing!

    Comment by Nachos of Justice

    Yeah, well, the fence around your high school looks a little sparse, whadda ya say ya go on over and decorate it?
    Tie an old pair of shoes together and thrown them on the fence while you're at it.


  67. Nevar Says:

    Bush thought it was about a different kind of very hungry Caterpillar, the kind that gobbles up a lot of rainforests, wetlands, farmlands, and diesel fuel.
    That's why he liked it.


  68. Zooey Says:

    Everyone, flag this moron calling himself Rodan75. It's just a resurrection of one of Mr Pee's pals.


  69. joe cantwell Says:

    you should huck play "don't fear the reaper" on the bass.

    he stinks but it's kinda fun watching him try.

    All our times have come
    Here but now they're gone
    Seasons don't fear the reaper
    Nor do the wind, the sun or the rain
    We can be like they are

    Come on baby... Don't fear the Reaper
    Baby take my hand... Don't fear the Reaper
    We'll be able to fly... Don't fear the Reaper
    Baby I'm your man...

    Valentine is done
    Here but now they're gone
    Romeo and Juliet
    Are together in eternity...
    Romeo and Juliet

    40,000 men and women everyday... Like Romeo and Juliet
    40,000 men and women everyday... Redefine happiness
    Another 40,000 coming everyday...We can be like they are

    Come on baby... Don't fear the Reaper

    Baby take my hand... Don't fear the Reaper
    We'll be able to fly... Don't fear the Reaper
    Baby I'm your man...

    Love of two is one
    Here but now they're gone
    Came the last night of sadness
    And it was clear she couldn't go on
    Then the door was open and the wind appeared
    The candles blew then disappeared
    The curtains flew then he appeared
    Saying don't be afraid

    Come on baby... And she had no fear
    And she ran to him... Then they started to fly
    They looked backward and said goodbye
    She had become like they are
    She had taken his hand
    She had become like they are

    Come on baby...don't fear the reaper



  70. Bobwurst Says:

    Rodan, you and your "friend" Mothra can crawl back into your radioactive cave and continue to have your your inter-species monster sex in private. Huckabee is just one in a long line of phony christian idiot republican con artists that fool the foolish.


  71. MapleStreet Says:

    #21 Tarzan,

    Wish I could hit recommend multiple times on your post.

    What is it with the repubs who run for presidents but don't show any interest in world affairs ? #13 from Repubs are the Smear... remind us of when Shrub couldn't name any of the world leaders. As I remember it, Shrub also said that he wasn't interested in reading or learning about "policy" (after all, what does a prez have to do with govt policy ??)

    Now with the war being a big issue, Huck doesn't know about the NIE ? Perhaps a politician with the slightest interest could have someone follow the news and abstract it for them, perhaps hold a daily briefing ?


  72. katy Says:

    ugh... you around RU?
    congratulations on the "victory" of YOUR USC TROJANS...
    wasn't much of a fight though... i had no hope that the ILLINI
    would win, but i didn't think it would be so embarrassing...
    sacraficial lambs...
    ...

    on another note, and more ON TOPIC:

    anyone hear the story about the father of this child's baby?
    supposedly, a TV executive who's old enough to be her GRANDFATHER...

    http://susiebright.blogs.com/susie_brights_journal_/2007/12/from-polyamory.html


  73. Nevar Says:

    "Why do you Leftists bash Christians..."

    Bobwurst included phony christians in his list of descriptors.
    He wasn't bashing christians.
    Try to read the whole sentence, Rodan, and don't skip over the hard words.........


  74. Marcus Aurelius Says:

    Huckabee is anti-Globalists and anti-Free Trade.
    Yet you eftists attack him.
    You guys are pathetic!

    Comment by Rodan75 — January 1, 2008 @ 9:00 pm

    He's also a religious-right nut job with a demonstrated penchant for setting jailed serial rape-murderers free to rape and kill again. The fact that he did this is all the more damning as he did as an act of political retribution against Bill Clinton.

    Furthermore, Huck had his intestines operated on so that he would lose weight, lied about it by attributing his weight loss to self-control and endurance, and then criticizes others when they lack the 'self-control' to stop their own bad/dangerous habits.

    And finally, in addition to all of the preceding, he is a conservative Republican - and they're not liked much here, anyway.

    So, Rodent, why don't you just STFU and vote for this moron? Why post here?


  75. pete Says:

    I'm not "anti-Christian". I'm anti-neocon, anti-GOP (though I was a proud member before the neocons took control), anti-theocrat, and, most especially, anti-ignorant dumbphuck.

    I wouldn't trust the Huckster to find a light-switch in broad daylight.


  76. Nevar Says:

    "Huck had his intestines operated on so that he would lose weight,...."

    REALLY?

    I wondered about those jowls, but I guessed that it's 'cause he's half blue-tick...


  77. Zooey Says:

    Furthermore, Huck had his intestines operated on so that he would lose weight, lied about it by attributing his weight loss to self-control and endurance, and then criticizes others when they lack the ’self-control’ to stop their own bad/dangerous habits.
    Comment by Marcus Aurelius — January 1, 2008 @ 9:26 pm

    He did? What a pig!

    I guess that's what counts as a "good christian?"


  78. curmudgeon Says:

    Re: #64 & 68 -- Although I'll believe almost anything about the Bubble Boy, this just seemed too bizarre to be true. The subsequent web search for corroborating information again proved the adage that the truth is stranger than fiction. You just can't make up stuff like this.

    For further info, you can check out the following:
    http://dkosopedia.com/wiki/George_W._Bush
    http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=560549
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1999/11/13/MN100771.DTL

    All governors were asked to name their favorite childhood books in a nation-wide survey. Curiously (or perhaps not), Jeb Bush named "Curious George" as one of his favorites. Perhaps symptomatic of a subconscious longing for a wished-for aspect of his childhood that never materialized?

    No wonder he seemed so much at home reading "My Pet Goat" on 9/11.


  79. pete Says:

    And, after demonstrating his complete lack of ability to handle weapons responsibly, I wouldn't allow the Huckster within miles of nuclear launch codes.


  80. Marcus Aurelius Says:

    I must correct myself by saying that he 'allegedly' had his intestines operated on...

    I wasn't there.

    As his former obese state was probably caused by repressed sexuality, it was either keep eating, get a gastric bypass, or spend 8 hours a day jerking off to pictures of Larry Craig.

    That's just my opinion, folks - but I'll bet it's true.


  81. Zooey Says:

    That’s just my opinion, folks - but I’ll bet it’s true.
    Comment by Marcus Aurelius — January 1, 2008 @ 9:38 pm

    He did lose the weight fast, but it is possible for some people to lose weight fairly fast. I think it's terrible that he criticizes other people for being fat. That's a hell of a nerve...


  82. Nevar Says:

    I'm guessing it may be in his family, has anyone seen his son?
    (you know, the one who hung the dog in his cabin at Boy Scout camp....)
    He looks like a real bubba brewser........... 300 lbs, easy..............


  83. RUCerious Says:

    Should the Huckster be thrown in jail for improperly displaying the flag as a guitar strap?


  84. Zooey Says:

    I’m guessing it may be in his family, has anyone seen his son?
    (you know, the one who hung the dog in his cabin at Boy Scout camp….)
    He looks like a real bubba brewser……….. 300 lbs, easy…………..
    Comment by Nevar — January 1, 2008 @ 9:41 pm

    Please say that's not true...about the dog. I don't care if he's a blubber butt.


  85. RUCerious Says:

    Comment by katy — January 1, 2008 @ 9:22 pm

    Yes, I'm here, and they did a pretty good job of turning four turnovers into 28 points, otherwise, I was pretty impressed with the Illini defense, and their QB is pretty good.

    Happy New Year to you and yours miss Katy!


  86. Zooey Says:

    Comment by Rodan75 — January 1, 2008 @ 9:43 pm

    Hey, I feel confronted. Anyone else?

    You're free to go now...


  87. RUCerious Says:

    Yes, Zooey, he hung the dog, cause it looked 'Mangy'..
    Quite the good little Jeebus Boy, wasn't he.


  88. Nevar Says:

    It was on the news about 3 weeks ago, Zooey.....
    Huckster got the Arkansas State police to back off from pressing charges...


  89. pete Says:

    Please say that’s not true…about the dog. I don’t care if he’s a blubber butt.

    Comment by Zooey — January 1, 2008 @ 9:43 pm

    It's true! And Daddy swept it under the rug.
    http://shotpolitics.com/the-huckabee-dog-killing-cover-up.htm


  90. RUCerious Says:

    I come on here to confront you Leftwing anti-Christian Pro-Islamic jerks!
    Comment by Rodan75 — January 1, 2008 @ 9:43 pm

    And leave with the usual urine stains.


  91. Marcus Aurelius Says:

    Marcus Aurelius ,
    I come on here to confront you Leftwing anti-Christian Pro-Islamic jerks!

    Comment by Rodan75 — January 1, 2008 @ 9:43 pm

    You're gonna' need help - somebody with an education would be a good choice.


  92. katy Says:

    thank you, RU, for the new year wishes,
    and your kind words about the ILLINI...

    i had to quit watching for good in the 3rd quarter...

    that dirge the MARCHING ILLINI played at half-time
    did nothing to stir up the team spirit either...
    stairway to heaven??? WTF?
    yea, that will surely impress those californians... ugh...


  93. ralph the wonder llama Says:

    Huh. We haven't had a real Mr. Pee infestation in a long time. It's "Rodan75" now, is it, Mr. Pee?


  94. Zooey Says:

    Comment by RUCerious — January 1, 2008 @ 9:46 pm
    Comment by pete — January 1, 2008 @ 9:47 pm

    OMG, that's horrifying and cruel. It would have been more merciful to shoot the poor thing.

    You know what is so interesting? You know how we had this horrible feeling about Chimpy, but learned the awful truth after he was president?

    Not that I think Hucker will be prez, of course.

    Well, all this stuff has come out before Hucker is even close to the nomination -- imagine what horrible secrets he's still holding on to.

    **shudder**


  95. pete Says:

    Hey, I feel confronted. Anyone else?

    Comment by Zooey — January 1, 2008 @ 9:44 pm

    Not in the least. Even if I were any of the things the "new" troll says. Besides which, I don't bother confronting people who are compelled to proclaim their IQ. Especially when it's "75". No challenge at all.


  96. pete Says:

    Huh. We haven’t had a real Mr. Pee infestation in a long time. It’s “Rodan75″ now, is it, Mr. Pee?

    Comment by ralph the wonder llama — January 1, 2008 @ 9:54 pm

    Nah. It revealed a "new" persona, one "Libtard" just a couple nights ago. Lasted about an hour before it was banished. I don't think this one is Pee. Too many mispeled wurds.


  97. pete Says:

    Comment by good_golly — January 1, 2008 @ 10:02 pm

    The Huckster admits his only support comes from "piss-soaked trolls".Ya can't make this stuff up! ROTFL!!

    I thank you gigi!!!


  98. Xisithrus Says:

    Huckabee is anti-Globalists and anti-Free Trade.
    Yet you eftists attack him.
    You guys are pathetic!
    Comment by Rodan75

    I haven't attacked anyone and from what I have read on Huckabee he has no real foreign policy, so I dont know that he is against globalism or free trade.


  99. Xisithrus Says:

    We hate Pro-Muslim Leftists like you!
    Comment by Rodan75

    Tell me why, then, that the conservatives are freeing the Iraqis [Muslims]?


  100. Xisithrus Says:

    Hate is a useless thing Rodan and doesnt solve anything.


  101. Zooey Says:

    Not in the least. Even if I were any of the things the “new” troll says. Besides which, I don’t bother confronting people who are compelled to proclaim their IQ. Especially when it’s “75″. No challenge at all.
    Comment by pete — January 1, 2008 @ 9:57 pm

    Just attempting to get The Joker to leave -- even though that entails a piss trail...


  102. Bobwurst Says:

    Rodan is a fake. A lib pretending to be from the other side to give you all someone to call names.

    Comment by good_golly

    He's one of yours golly.


  103. Zooey Says:

    Rodan is a fake. A lib pretending to be from the other side to give you all someone to call names.
    Comment by good_golly — January 1, 2008 @ 10:03 pm

    You say that about all the most stupid trolls -- except yourself.

    Rodan is a genuine piss-soaked troll -- of your kind.


  104. Zooey Says:

    Comment by Rodan75 — January 1, 2008 @ 10:13 pm

    Are you confronting me again?


  105. Xisithrus Says:

    Both Parties are beholden to Islamic ineterests!
    Comment by Rodan75 — January 1, 2008 @ 10:12 pm

    So then Huckabee is also pro-islamist?


  106. RUCerious Says:

    I beat you Muslim loving Leftists everytime!
    Comment by Rodan75 — January 1, 2008 @ 10:13 pm

    I am certain that no one here has been 'beaten' by you, ever.

    My good friend Ray, from Pakistan will be chuckling at your antics tomorrow when I forward this link to him.


  107. pete Says:

    Is anyone here a "leftist"? Has anyone ever, even, met a "leftist"? Personally, I don't think there's been a real "leftist", in this country, since Nixon proved idealism can't stop bullets.


  108. Zooey Says:

    Comment by Rodan75 — January 1, 2008 @ 10:17 pm

    Well, you did that already.


  109. RUCerious Says:

    con fronting?

    Is that like providing a front for convicts? Spell much? Got educumation?


  110. Xisithrus Says:

    Huckabee isn’t Pro-Islam.
    Comment by Rodan75 — January 1, 2008 @ 10:17 pm

    You just said BOTH parties are beholden to Islamic interests.


  111. Zooey Says:

    My good friend Ray, from Pakistan will be chuckling at your antics tomorrow when I forward this link to him.
    Comment by RUCerious — January 1, 2008 @ 10:17 pm

    Since I'm a Muslim-lover, tell Ray I love him.


  112. RUCerious Says:

    The ultimate justice would be for the new trolls 5th grade English teacher to see his piss poor grammar and spelling. She'd hunt his ass down and....wait, oh, that was his mom... never you mind.


  113. RUCerious Says:

    Mistress Z, I would but his wife would whack me over the head...!


  114. Zooey Says:

    Mistress Z, I would but his wife would whack me over the head…!
    Comment by RUCerious — January 1, 2008 @ 10:20 pm

    It's a pure and platonic love -- you know, the kind I have for all of Islam. ;)


  115. Xisithrus Says:

    Is anyone here a “leftist”? -Pete

    Rodan seems to equate being left of right ideology with cold war communism. Which is odd because, in reality, the muslims didnt care for the communists at all.


  116. AngryOne Says:

    Lost in the pundits' pondering over Mike Huckabee's scam to show - and then not air - an attack ad against Mitt Romney is the former Arkansas Governor's apparent bloodlust. As Steve Benen and Michael Crowley note, Huckabee's spot takes Romney to task for a record in Massachusetts that included "no executions." In extolling the joys of the death penalty, Huckabee is following in the proud tradition of George W. Bush.

    For the details, see:
    "Huckabee Echoes Bush in Killer Ad."


  117. Zooey Says:

    He’s an Islamist.
    Comment by Rodan75 — January 1, 2008 @ 10:26 pm

    You're an Islamist too, Joker.

    Did you know that every time you think, speak or write the word Islam, a martyr gets his wings?


  118. Shayne Says:

    Bring it on!
    I beat you Muslim loving Leftists everytime!

    Comment by Rodan75 — January 1, 2008 @ 10:13 pm

    Isn't that what your Saudi loving leader said that got him in so much trouble. You need to take your meds Joker, you're losing it.


  119. Xisithrus Says:

    It’s a pure and platonic love — you know, the kind I have for all of Islam. ;) Comment by Zooey — January 1, 2008 @ 10:22 pm

    Heh.


  120. Wayne Says:

    Joker/Rodan is either off his meds or is about to OD on them tonight.


  121. Shayne Says:

    Rodan you need big pharmaceuticals, lots of them, fast. Run don't walk to the emergency room before you hurt yourself.


  122. Zooey Says:

    Comment by Rodan75 — January 1, 2008 @ 10:31 pm

    I had no idea there was anything "worst" than a Muslim lover.


  123. Xisithrus Says:

    You want Russia and China to attack the US. -Rodan

    Why would China attack their debtor nation?


  124. Shayne Says:

    I don’t like Bush either!
    He’s Pro Muslim too!

    Comment by Rodan75 — January 1, 2008 @ 10:30 pm

    Sure you troll are all "independents"! But we know you're on your knees in the under the desk in the Oval Office doing one for the Chimp in Chief. You probably hold hands with the Saudi Sheiks while they're waiting for W you lying sack of neocon.


  125. pete Says:

    Even a blind squirrel finds the occasional acorn.


  126. Zooey Says:

    Otherwise admit you’re a liar.
    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 1, 2008 @ 10:34 pm

    This is Mr Pee's Renfield, you are too optimistic.


  127. pete Says:

    Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, pot. You two have much in common. I hope you are happy together.


  128. Shayne Says:

    You’re worst than a Muslim lover.
    You’re a traitor.
    You want Russia and China to attack the US.
    You’re a P.O.S!

    Comment by Rodan75 — January 1, 2008 @ 10:31 pm

    Even for a psycho you are confused. Attacking Iran, the wet dream of all you neocons, is the way to get Russia and China to attack the US. Maybe you should go to a neocon site because they're the one inciting attacks by these two super powers. Maybe you need to shut your yap until you get a clue.


  129. Xisithrus Says:

    I had no idea there was anything “worst” than a Muslim lover.
    Comment by Zooey — January 1, 2008 @ 10:33 pm

    Maybe if you were a China lover as well?


  130. Zooey Says:

    lol, clearly we’re dipping into the dregs this holiday season for our trolls.
    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 1, 2008 @ 10:35 pm

    He is mildly entertaining -- in the same way ruptured testicles would be entertaining. ;)


  131. Shayne Says:

    You were bragging how China and Russia will defeat America.
    You were happy about it and how it was good for the world

    Comment by Rodan75 — January 1, 2008 @ 10:36 pm

    Proof positive that home schooling doesn't teach reading comprehension. Especially when mom is an illiterate crack whore.


  132. Wayne Says:

    This is Mr Pee’s Renfield, you are too optimistic.

    Comment by Zooey — January 1, 2008 @ 10:35 pm

    If he starts eating live bugs, i'm outa here. lmao


  133. Zooey Says:

    Mr. Pee says he loves you!
    Comment by Rodan75 — January 1, 2008 @ 10:37 pm

    That's nice.


  134. Xisithrus Says:

    You were bragging how China and Russia will defeat America.
    You were happy about it and how it was good for the world

    Comment by Rodan75 — January 1, 2008 @ 10:36 pm

    Rodan, how was Russia defeated in the cold war?

    Economically. In the last 25 years America went from a creditor to a debtor nation. China is a fast rising economical power. Since 2001, under GOP rule, the dollar has lost much of its value.


  135. RUCerious Says:

    I wonder what flying spittle and froth do to one's keyboard.
    We should ask the prehistoric flying dinasour.


  136. Shayne Says:

    Zooey,
    Mr. Pee says he loves you!

    Comment by Rodan75 — January 1, 2008 @ 10:37 pm

    I think he was talking to you pretty boy. Don't deflect the adoration, embrace it ... him ... it ... or both.


  137. Zooey Says:

    If he starts eating live bugs, i’m outa here. lmao
    Comment by Wayne — January 1, 2008 @ 10:39 pm

    I don't want to think about what he might eat...


  138. Xisithrus Says:

    Mr. Pee says he loves you! -Rodan

    Well, we love Mr Pee in a weird convoluted kind of way.


  139. RUCerious Says:

    Renfield..Perfect.

    Master! Master!


  140. Shayne Says:

    The US ain’t attacking Iran paranoid Muslim lover!

    Comment by Rodan75 — January 1, 2008 @ 10:38 pm

    Where have you been, in a straight jacket or solitary confinement? Because the neocons were itching to attack Iran only recently. Did you just get out. Maybe you need to reacclimate yourself to the outside before you spew stupid.


  141. Zooey Says:

    Well, we love Mr Pee in a weird convoluted kind of way.
    Comment by Xisithrus — January 1, 2008 @ 10:41 pm

    He certainly needs it.


  142. Xisithrus Says:

    He certainly needs it. -Zooey

    You know them durn Liberals, all peace and love, like that guy Jesus!


  143. Xisithrus Says:

    I wonder if 75 is unicode for T


  144. RUCerious Says:

    The pterasaur knows how much of our debt China is holding, knows about the Russian oil and gas fields fueling much of their economic rebound. It just wants to come here and spit and spray all over the thread. Calling people names gets him off, just like back in the schoolyard.


  145. RUCerious Says:

    Ascii 75 is the + sign. Definitely not any correlative value here.


  146. Xisithrus Says:

    Ascii 75 is the + sign. Definitely not any correlative value here.

    Comment by RUCerious

    You mean its not RodanT?


  147. Zooey Says:

    You know them durn Liberals, all peace and love, like that guy Jesus!
    Comment by Xisithrus — January 1, 2008 @ 10:45 pm

    Piss-soaked trolls hate that. :)


  148. RUCerious Says:

    must refer to the IQ...


  149. Xisithrus Says:

    Piss-soaked trolls hate that. :) -Zooey

    Heh.


  150. Wayne Says:

    must refer to the IQ…

    Comment by RUCerious — January 1, 2008 @ 10:51 pm

    if thats the case, he has a typo, 7-5


  151. Zooey Says:

    I’m gonna lookm for your posts now
    Comment by Rodan75 — January 1, 2008 @ 10:52 pm

    That's gonna take forever. :-)


  152. pete Says:

    Way off topic.

    This will be my last comment at TP. The editorial staff has elected to remove my response to a rabid attack, while leaving the falsehoods of the other party for all to see. This is unacceptable.

    I've had fun, and, I will doubtless run into many of you on, effectively moderated, forums.

    I can't leave without a warning, however. The troll known as BARTLEBEE is a narrow minded, ignorant, hateful, judgmental, abusive sh!t-stain. And, when challenged, it lies like the lowest of conservative trolls. Don't dare to disagree with it or you may be the next one subjected to it's foul abuse only to have your response deleted as happened to me in this thread:http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/29/huckabee-phone-call-with-god/#comment-4191249

    Good bye.


  153. Wayne Says:

    I’m gonna lookm for your posts now
    Comment by Rodan75 — January 1, 2008 @ 10:52 pm

    That’s gonna take forever. :-)
    Comment by Zooey — January 1, 2008 @ 10:55 pm

    Shhhh...
    When he reads or thinks he falls asleep. =D


  154. Keith Says:

    This gives a very strong case that Huckabee had weight-loss SURGERY:

    http://plutarch01.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/new-121007-300pm/

    Also on CNN the other day, Huck was criticizing Romney for only hunting twice in his life---while he goes 30 times a year. Then Huck can't figure out that the reason he is having trouble firing his gun is because the safety is on!!


  155. Zooey Says:

    Comment by pete — January 1, 2008 @ 10:57 pm

    Pete, TP is not staffed over the holidays. If you're having a problem, email Faiz in the next few days.

    There's nothing that says you have to deal with Bart.


  156. Zooey Says:

    Sorry, no posts were found matching “Bartlebee.”
    Comment by Rodan75 — January 1, 2008 @ 11:00 pm

    Not even today...?


  157. Xisithrus Says:

    Comment by pete — January 1, 2008 @ 10:57 pm

    Naw, thats happened to me as well Pete. Dont let one person keep you from posting.


  158. Shayne Says:

    Descriptive Classifications of Intelligence Quotients

    IQ Description % of Population
    130+ Very superior 2.2%
    120-129 Superior 6.7%
    110-119 High average 16.1%
    90-109 Average 50%
    80-89 Low average 16.1%
    70-79 Borderline 6.7%
    Below 70 Extremely low 2.2%

    Obviously 75 is too high for his "actual" IQ. He'd then be borderline as opposed to extremely low which obviously RodanT is.


  159. gummitch Says:

    Looks like TP is, in fact, getting some moderation. A bunch of troll poop just disappeared. Hooray!


  160. Xisithrus Says:

    Rodan, the TP search field at the top of the screen doesnt work very well.


  161. Lefty Patriot Says:

    See, Pete, bartie thinks he won, even when nobody agreed with him. So it's your choice to leave, but you really shouldn't allow yourself to be driven away by a socially maladjusted pseudo-intellectual who hasn't the courage or clarity to admit when he's wrong.


  162. gummitch Says:

    The Joker has left the building.


  163. Zooey Says:

    Comment by Keith — January 1, 2008 @ 11:01 pm

    Thanks, Keith. That article is very thorough.


  164. Zooey Says:

    The Joker has left the building.
    Comment by gummitch — January 1, 2008 @ 11:10 pm

    Awww, too bad, so sad. :P


  165. republicans hate facts Says:

    You guys instead tried to win by ignoring the dictionary and the facts, and carrried your perverse attack on me hoping I’d just give up and let you win by sheer numbers. But I didn’t give up, because I was right, and the dictionary confirmed that.
    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 1, 2008 @ 11:04 pm

    ROTFL! Pure PROJECTION there BART. The DICTIONARIES OF RECORD (Merriam Webster and Oxford) BOTH disagree with you, but you were too much of a TARDED FANATIC to admit it. Sorry BART but where this ISSUE is involved, you're EVERY BIT as MUCH OF A LIAR and MORON as RODAN APPEARS TO BE! Grow up LITTLE GIRL!


  166. republicans hate facts Says:

    I did win, the moment I produced a valid dictionary definition that defined atheism as a belief.
    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 1, 2008 @ 11:14 pm

    YOU LOSE the MOMENT the DICTIONARIES OF RECORD and the ROOT WORD both DISAGREE WITH YOU! - TARDED MORON!


  167. republicans hate facts Says:

    See, Pete, bartie thinks he won, even when nobody agreed with him. So it’s your choice to leave, but you really shouldn’t allow yourself to be driven away by a socially maladjusted pseudo-intellectual who hasn’t the courage or clarity to admit when he’s wrong.
    Comment by Lefty Patriot — January 1, 2008 @ 11:10 pm

    Yeah, if Bart's BRAINS and HONEST matched is STUBBORN BUSH'NESS he might have been SMART ENOUGH to NOT BE SUCH A NASTY NERDY LITTLE HENDLER'ESQUE LOSER!


  168. Zooey Says:

    Unbelievable...

    Later.


  169. Keith Says:

    Zooey, he's on wordpress, he must be good. Says the medical center that did it got a special $1 million endowment from him.


  170. Lefty Patriot Says:

    bart, you're easier than Larry Craig. what a sucker. you've done a good job of convincing yourself, but nobody else. some win.


  171. pete Says:

    Way off topic.

    This will be my last comment at TP. The editorial staff has elected to remove my response to a rabid attack, while leaving the falsehoods of the other party for all to see. This is unacceptable.

    I’ve had fun, and, I will doubtless run into many of you on, effectively moderated, forums.

    I can’t leave without a warning, however. The troll known as BARTLEBEE is a narrow minded, ignorant, hateful, judgmental, abusive sh!t-stain. And, when challenged, it lies like the lowest of conservative trolls. Don’t dare to disagree with it or you may be the next one subjected to it’s foul abuse only to have your response deleted as happened to me in this thread:http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/29/huckabee-phone-call-with-god/#comment-4191249

    Good bye.

    Comment by pete — January 1, 2008 @ 10:57 pm

    My beef is with the staff. I will no longer support their incompetance.

    Comment by pete — January 1, 2008 @ 11:16 pm


  172. Lefty Patriot Says:

    even dictionaries change, eventually, bartie. you put too much faith is words.


  173. Shayne Says:

    To get rid of trolls you have to paste the offensive post into the "Contact Us" page. Just reporting abuse doesn't work around here. And when they're slandering Faiz it's a good idea to contact them. After all this is a business.


  174. Lefty Patriot Says:

    many literate people are very stupid. a dictionary is a limited source, and is a compendium of opinions. it seems to fit your limited viewpoint, but that's your problem. and you are being very selective in your choices of definitions, as well. you may as well quote the bible.


  175. Shayne Says:

    Keith I think it was bypass surgery. For one thing 100 lbs. is the mark you need to hit to get the bypass surgery. Besides that the rate at which he lost weight would be remarkable, making it to the full 105 lbs. and being as thin as he is without it. When he wins the nomination, snort, we should demand that he has a physical and release his full medical records to determine his character.


  176. Shayne Says:

    Bartlebee, you accusing others of having to have the last word is indeed ironic. You sound like Worfeus, who had to leave after another bout of having to have the last word.


  177. republicans hate facts Says:

    See?
    I get attacked, out of the blue. Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 1, 2008 @ 11:33 pm

    OUT OF THE BLUE? ROTFL!! You ATTACK ALL ATHEISTS, then IGNORE THE DICTIONARY, FACTS, the LANGUAGE ROOT and REALITY and INSULT THOSE THAT DEBUNK YOUR BULLSH!T and it's YOU that GETS ATTACKED?

    ROTFL!! How ROVIAN of you 'tard!


  178. republicans hate facts Says:

    Newsflash genius.
    The DICTIONARY is the standard. The DICTIONARY is how we know the meanings of our “diction”.
    I honestly cannot believe I have to say this.
    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 1, 2008 @ 11:28 pm

    Actually Merriam Webster and Oxford are the ONLY TWO Dictionaries OF RECORD - so BY THEM you're a LYING MORON!


  179. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Its unbelievable.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 1, 2008 @ 11:32 pm

    You're unbelievable. Dictionaries change with the times, and have been wrong countless times throughout history. They also have a demonstrable social bias, as well as several alternate definitions for most words, including definitions for atheist that don't mention doctrine or belief. Your reliance on "diction" as a basis for what an atheist is or isn't is laughable, silly, puerile and weak. All you are demonstrating is your ignorance and bias, as well as your delusions of adequacy. You don't win when you don't learn.


  180. republicans hate facts Says:

    I’m not going to apologize for being correct, and I’m certainly not going to run away from foul vicious attacks like the one Pete here just landed, or the ensuing pile on, just because some liberal regulars in here demand I do. Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 1, 2008 @ 11:37 pm

    See, the FALACY of this is your DELUSION that YOU ARE CORRECT, thereby making it a FUTILE EXERCISE to APOLOGIZE for something that ISN'T REAL!! ROTFL you're DUMB SOMETIME!

    I’ll stick up for my own positions, and if you don’t like it, tell your pals to stop attacking me out of the blue like Pete and Lefty did here tonight.
    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 1, 2008 @ 11:37 pm

    You can stick to your DELUSION all you want, but you were DEBUNKED WEEKS AGO - LYING MORON!


  181. republicans hate facts Says:

    You don’t win when you don’t learn.
    Comment by Lefty Patriot — January 1, 2008 @ 11:38 pm

    When it comes to 'religion', Bart's too TARDED and BIASED to learn.


  182. Sabyen91 Says:

    Umm, Bartlebee, I believe humans exist. That is not faith, that is actually based on what I have observed. Faith is NOT the same thing as belief. Faith is the belief in something without need of evidence.


  183. Sabyen91 Says:

    Faith is believing in pink unicorns and the trolls under the bridge (or god, for that matter). Scientists believe certain things because they have tested them and think a certain thing is most likely. Faith is believing in something...well...just cuz.


  184. Sabyen91 Says:

    Bartlebee, belief in god is faith.


  185. Sabyen91 Says:

    Whether you used it or not that is what you were referring to.


  186. Sabyen91 Says:

    Sorry, Bart, you can define atheism but I cannot define the opposite? No, sorry, doesn't work that way.


  187. ralph the wonder llama Says:

    Anyone who was around for Bartlebee's original atheist tirade should know better than to indulge him now.

    Anyone who wasn't around for that episode should be able to figure out just from this thread that Bartlebee isn't worth the energy required to argue with him.


  188. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Atheism is a belief, and RHF is an ignorant homeschooled twit.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 1, 2008 @ 11:41 pm

    this isn't about atheism, bart, this is about your smug superiority being challenged. you don't know what you're talking about, so you have to rely on, of all things, a dictionary to define a concept you have no understanding of. you decided, out of the blue, that your concept was going to apply to people whom you don't know. some atheists may agree with you, some won't. the ones that disagree with you will be asked to prove a negative, to satisfy your insane need to be right. if they decline to enter into such an unreasonable and juvenile contest, they will be vilified and called names, and yet will not be proven wrong. that makes you pretty much the automatic loser. and you become the fanatic you accuse others of being. it's a delicious irony, one that I've enjoyed immensely, seeing you brought to earth by your own crappy "logic". it's nice to see a bully's nose bloodied occasionally.


  189. barfly Says:

    A-gnostic - someone who does not believe in gnosis.

    A-moral - someone who has no morals.

    A-sexual - someone who has no sexual component.

    A-political - someone who does not follow politics.

    A-typical - something that is not typical.

    A-sympathetic - someone who has no sympathy.

    A-theism - means someone believes there is no god? Or someone who doesn't believe in the concetp of God?

    This is all just semantic sillyness.


  190. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Once again Einstein, SCROLL UP, and FIND the comments where I mentioned “faith in god” “belief in god” or anything of the sort.

    :|"

    Uhh, considering the true definition of atheism would be a direct antonym of faith it is a fair point. You still want to define everything in your terms. Sorry, you can't.


  191. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Anyone who was around for Bartlebee’s original atheist tirade should know better than to indulge him now."

    I wasn't around but I have a feeling he is not exactly a fair debater on the issue.


  192. Juan C. Says:

    Hehehehe.

    Nice thread.


  193. Sabyen91 Says:

    No, Bartlebee, you claim that atheism is a belief. Fair enough. The sad fact is it is a valid belief as there is no evidence of the opposite.


  194. ralph the wonder llama Says:

    I wasn’t around but I have a feeling he is not exactly a fair debater on the issue.

    Comment by Sabyen91 — January 1, 2008 @ 11:54 pm

    Yeah, Pete had him pretty well pegged. Bartlebee can be fun to have around when he's bashing trolls, but when he turns into one himself, not so much.


  195. Lefty Patriot Says:

    No, you don’t get to define MY terms dickweed.

    Sorry you can’t.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 1, 2008 @ 11:54 pm

    there you go, sabyen91, proof of your position. "MY" terms.

    Is the internet big enough for bartie's ego?


  196. Sabyen91 Says:

    "No, you don’t get to define MY terms dickweed.

    Sorry you can’t."

    Hehe, why not, you are defining other people under your distorted world view.


  197. barfly Says:

    So let's play semantic sillyness.

    If atheism is a belief, it would have a positive connotation - but the "a" makes it a negative, since the "a" means "not" in the original Greek, does it not?


  198. Shayne Says:

    Most of us probably did see Bartlebee's original atheism tirade and left it alone hoping it would go away. And we've all seen him go on rants about other things too. It seems he's just a troll of a different color and the only thing to do is ignore him.

    What's funny is that he things we're coming out of nowhere to "attack" him like he hasn't done plenty to get our attention.


  199. Sabyen91 Says:

    "there you go, sabyen91, proof of your position. “MY” terms.

    Is the internet big enough for bartie’s ego?"

    The first time I saw him (after a long break) I attacked him right away because I thought he was an ignorant troll. I was right. Always go with your first impression.



  200. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Thats right numbnuts, now go back and recant all of your strawmen that you just crapped the board up with.

    Take back the lies."

    Huh? What are you talking about? Nothing I said was a strawman. Atheism is the lack of faith in any and all gods. Or is that beyond you?


  201. Shayne Says:

    I think we need to come up for a term for the kind of trolling Bart does. Maybe a competition.


  202. Sabyen91 Says:

    "I’ve got over 900 comments in the other thread that your altar ego just posted a link to in here,"

    I almost missed that!!! You are funny. Claiming I have an altar ego, again? Are you Jake?


  203. Juan C. Says:

    To jump into the discussion with my humble opinion is: who cares?


  204. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Tell it to the DICTIONARY folks.

    Atheism is a belief.

    It is the belief that there is no god."

    And yet...there are various degrees of belief...or do you disagree?


  205. Sabyen91 Says:

    Juan, I do. That is why I am posting.


  206. Lefty Patriot Says:

    most dictionaries have several definitions of atheism that don't mention belief or doctrine. bart's just doing the usual troll selectivity, a brand of intellectual dishonesty that he thinks will bring him a "win", whatever that is. as he gets more flustered by his inability to "win", he gets more abusive and incoherent. this, of course, wins him lots of allies and converts.


  207. Sabyen91 Says:

    Next, Bartlebee will be saying atheism is a religion. Or has he already done that?


  208. Juan C. Says:

    It was a rethorical question, JP. :)


  209. barfly Says:

    Until then you’re just one more illiterate, arguing with the dictionary.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 1, 2008 @ 11:59 pm

    I've just pointed out contradictions in the dictionary(s): that all the other words that start with "a," have negative connotations, except, supposedly, atheism, which has a positive connotation (belief, vs. anti-belief) I guess that part blew right past you.

    So, dictionaries (just like all religious texts) have contradictions printed into them. Big surprise, huh?


  210. Sabyen91 Says:

    Ok, Bartlebee, somehow I think you are equating atheism to religion...if so there is a difference. Atheists believe something. Religionists have faith in something. If you don't think that is true tell me why.


  211. MapleStreet Says:

    I followed a few links implying that Huckabee used bariatic surgery rather than loosing his weight the "old fashioned way."

    What I find interesting is that Huck says that he used a weight loss clinic at the University medical school. In short, even if he didn't use surgery, he **STILL** didn't do it the "old fashioned way" but used a highly intensive, medically monitored regimen that starts with liquid diets and slowly moves back to solid foods.

    Such a regimen is not only far outside the financial abilities of the uninsured, but is also one not generally allowed on most healthcare plans.


  212. Sabyen91 Says:

    Bartlebee, again, I believe humans are real. That is a belief. I cannot prove it. It could be one big dream. However, evidence says there is. There is no evidence, whatsoever, of a god. You can keep ignoring the validity of a certain belief but it doesn't make you look any more intelligent.


  213. Sabyen91 Says:

    Ockham's Razor would not even come close to saying there is some omnipotent being.


  214. Lefty Patriot Says:

    To jump into the discussion with my humble opinion is: who cares?

    Comment by Juan C. — January 2, 2008 @ 12:02 am

    well, to be fair, Juan C., that's a good point, except that old bartie here decided to paint all atheists with the broad brush of fanaticism, which was completely unwarranted and needed to be responded to. I have no more interest in his twisted view of atheism as a belief system than I do of his claim of the extensive documentation of the existence of god or gods, but I am no fanatic, and just wanted to make perfectly clear that his scattershot opinion needed clarification and qualification to be in the least bit accurate or sensible. Instead, he dug in his heels and threw a three-day tantrum that he appears to not be done with yet.


  215. Shayne Says:

    Next, Bartlebee will be saying atheism is a religion. Or has he already done that?

    Comment by Sabyen91 — January 2, 2008 @ 12:05 am

    Bartlebee/Worfeus will say ANYTHING to win an argument. Just like a troll.


  216. Sabyen91 Says:

    I know Shayne, I disliked him the first time I saw him. He was bashing tombaker for some semantic BS.


  217. Sabyen91 Says:

    Bartlebee, do you believe in elves that crap vanilla wafers?


  218. barfly Says:

    Another illiterate that claims the dictionary’s wrong.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 12:07 am

    That's not an argument, anymore that claiming Jesus really turned water to wine because the Bible says so.

    You refuse to acknowledge the semantic inconsistency, that makes you the worse than an illiterate - it makes you willfully ignorant. I notice you haven't tried to argue the point. It doesn't say much about the religious' ability to discern contradiction (if you're stepping up to claim the mantle) in general, to just rely on dogma, be it religious text, or Websters'. Can you NOT think for yourself?


  219. Sabyen91 Says:

    Again, about those elves that crap vanilla wafers...do you believe in them?


  220. Shayne Says:

    I would think that to get the definitive answer on whether atheism is a belief system you'd need to use the Bible and not a dictionary. The dictionary can tell you what a disease is but it can't diagnose a patient. When the dictionary became the arbiter for religious philosophy seems to be a mystery. Maybe we should go to mystery writers to see if atheism is a belief system. Or maybe we could just get a troll to decipher it for us.


  221. Sabyen91 Says:

    "You mean the Keeblers?

    :|

    Yea… I’ve seen them on TV."

    Ok, how about horses that speak perfect English and save people from themselves...oh, yeah, Mr. Ed. Or a dog smart enough to tell people Timmy is in the well...crap, Lassie. How about a Polish sausage that has taken over all of the planets in the Milky Way other than the Earth?


  222. Shayne Says:

    Bartlebee has a belief system, it's called "Splitting Hairs".


  223. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Yea?

    Tell us something we didn’t know"

    You are not hard to dislike.


  224. Juan C. Says:

    well, to be fair, Juan C., that’s a good point, except that old bartie here decided to paint all atheists with the broad brush of fanaticism, which was completely unwarranted and needed to be responded to.
    Comment by Lefty Patriot

    I understand, Lefty.

    Bart is like my old man or my mother, they are great when it comes to some things and they are obnoxious and stubborn when it comes to others. So what?

    To me, defending so much a point, trying to prove something even at the cost of humiliating somebody else is worthless and sad sometimes.


  225. Lefty Patriot Says:

    "I don't believe in god."

    Only a narrow-minded, bigoted, socially maladjusted, intellectually-limited egomaniac would claim that the above statement is a belief system. Only the same damaged individual would label anyone who makes the above statement a fanatic.


  226. Shayne Says:

    Bartlebee also "believes" that he can bloviate pompously and then type little faces in lieu of substantiation and then everybody should just bow down to his brilliance.


  227. barfly Says:

    So Bart, just post another dictionary example that begins with "a" that DOESN"T have a "not" connotation, to prove your point.

    Just one.

    Or acknowledge the contradiction.


  228. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Thats called science.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 12:21 am

    No, it's called juvenile bullshit.


  229. Wayne A. Schneider Says:

    Would this be a bad time to point out that the plural of "dictionary" is "dictionaries", not "dictionary's"?


  230. Sabyen91 Says:

    What Barty fails to realize is that in his view atheism is just like believing there is no Incredible Hulk. There is no evidence to support an Incredible Hulk like being besides written word. Sounds familiar.


  231. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Therefore, you can disagree with the dictionary all you want, but to attack me for merely stating whats in the dictionary is plain ignorant.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 12:22 am

    and in which of those many dictionaries are atheists called "fanatics"?


  232. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Atheists claim there is no god.

    They cannot prove this claim."

    You make my point for me. You cannot disprove purple unicorns. That makes you BAD!!!!!


  233. barfly Says:

    Therefore, you can disagree with the dictionary all you want, but to attack me for merely stating whats in the dictionary is plain ignorant.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE —

    You're a coward, for not acknowledging the semantic inconsistency.


  234. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Why gee no Wayne, why would you think that?

    After all I’ve only been fighting off attacks for a month on this subject now, and with the pile on well underway and me having to type a few thousand words a second here this evening, why would you think I’d mind someone coming in to correct my typos?

    :|

    Whatever could give you such an idea?

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 12:24 am

    when in doubt, get out the drying towel. poor bart, having to defend himself against all of us illiterate morons, all by himself. I wonder when he's going to buy a vowel, or get a clue?


  235. barfly Says:

    Just one example, coward.


  236. Shayne Says:

    "Atheists claim there is no god."

    I thought you said atheists "believe" there is no god. How is saying I believe in something the same as claiming there is proof positive that it doesn't exist. And how would we prove the negative to make a definitive claim. Where's the hypothesis, the theory, the experimentation that could prove such a claim.

    Better yet, where's the straw man and who's making the argument.


  237. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Therefore, you can disagree with the dictionary all you want, but to attack me for merely stating whats in the dictionary is plain ignorant."

    Are you kidding? The dictionary is technically right. It IS a belief because nothing can be proven. Unfortunately for you there is such a thing as evidence.


  238. barfly Says:

    I think every time Bart posts this drivel I'll hang the "just one example" around his neck until he decides to discuss something else.


  239. Sabyen91 Says:

    "I thought you said atheists “believe” there is no god."

    Heh, nice, Shayne. Bartlebee is nothing if not inconsistent and shifty.


  240. barfly Says:

    What's wrong, Bart?

    Can't find another example to show there is no inconsistency in dictionary definitions?


  241. Zooey Says:

    Hey, Huckabee! He hasn't got a clue about that NIE, but he sure knows about the knocked up Spears girl.

    How about that!?


  242. barfly Says:

    Just one example, Bart.


  243. Shayne Says:

    Sure Bart, atheists have no empirical evidence to prove there is no god so they are wrong in believing there is no god based on that lack of evidence. Well where is the empirical evidence that there is a god. Personally I believe in god but not in religions. But I don't believe because I have empirical evidence that he exists.

    But for the record, I believe you have some scientists spinning in their graves by insisting atheist need empirical evidence to prove there is no god or vice versa.


  244. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Both religionists and atheists have their own set of beliefs, that neither can prove, thus both are belief systems.

    The main difference is religionists tend to admit it, but the atheists seem to have trouble doing that."

    LOL, yeah, religionists admit they could be wrong. Wait, they don't? Again, Barty, do you believe in little green dwarves that have the power to suck the life out of people and turn them into even bigger green dwarves???

    The main difference between atheists and you is atheists tend to doubt something that no evidence whatsoever supports.


  245. barfly Says:

    "Like your lying friends you are also a liar, claiming I “decided” to post about this."

    Thin skinned intellectual coward.

    Just one example - or acknowledge the dictionaries' semantic inconsistency.


  246. Keith Says:

    I hate religious arguments. They go on forever and never get anywhere!


  247. Lefty Patriot Says:

    The main difference is religionists tend to admit it, but the atheists seem to have trouble doing that.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 12:30 am

    that's simply because you're wrong. atheists would very naturally have trouble admitting that which isn't true, while religionists' whole belief depends on admitting that which they can't prove. you have conflated belief and faith, as was pointed out earlier, not that it matters, since all you have is semantic games to play, and some sort of sick need to equivocate non-believers with the faithful. That's a more accurate term for me, by the way, a non-believer. perhaps formalized atheism might follow some of your dogma, but we non-believers don't believe. you can look it up. in the dictionary.


  248. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Thats RIGHT Flavius, and don’t you forget it."

    Are you claiming Shayne is somebody else, too? You are pathetic.


  249. Juan C. Says:

    Hey, Zoo, it seems you are off topic by being on topic. :)


  250. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Sure Bart, atheists have no empirical evidence to prove there is no god
    Comment by Shayne — January 2, 2008 @ 12:34 am

    Thats RIGHT Flavius, and don’t you forget it.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 12:35 am

    Nor do they need it, until somebody has real evidence there is a god.


  251. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Now that you’ve admitted they cannot prove their claims, you have confirmed that they merely “BELIEVE” there is no god, because they cannot prove it."

    Wow, what kind of twisted logic is that? I cannot prove those green dwarves exist either. To believe in something that is unlikely to exist makes no sense. But you ignore common sense and the scientific method. And you are the one that said, earlier, "That is science". Funny.


  252. Shayne Says:

    In a court of law it only takes the testimony of two or more reasonably credible witnesses to establish a fact. Well the religionists could produce MILLIONS.

    So to just dismiss them as fairy tale is and proclaim themselves as the harbingers of knowledge is ludicrous.

    Both religionists and atheists have their own set of beliefs, that neither can prove, thus both are belief systems.

    The main difference is religionists tend to admit it, but the atheists seem to have trouble doing that.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 12:30 am

    Sure Bart, so two atheists could go into a court of law and say they prayed to god to win the lottery and they didn't win and so they have proof positive he doesn't exist. In fact billions have probably prayed to win money and their prayers wwent unanswered. How many billions do you need to prove he doesn't exist. How about all those Chinese who pray for a boy baby and then have girls, where the hell is this alleged god of your and how many prayers have gone unanswered. Would an all powerful being ignore so many pleas? Empirical evidence he must not exist in your court of law.


  253. barfly Says:

    It doesn't speak well of Bart's intellectual integrity, that he cannot acknowledge the dictionaries' semantic inconsistency.


  254. Zooey Says:

    Hey, Zoo, it seems you are off topic by being on topic. :)
    Comment by Juan C. — January 2, 2008 @ 12:37 am

    I hate that when that happens. :-D


  255. Lefty Patriot Says:

    But you ignore common sense and the scientific method. And you are the one that said, earlier, “That is science”. Funny.

    Comment by Sabyen91 — January 2, 2008 @ 12:39 am

    that's been his modus operandus since he attacked any and all who weren't agnostics from his lofty perch of admitted ignorance. it's the main reason he hasn't "won", and never will.


  256. Sabyen91 Says:

    "You don’t know what I believe or disbeleive Constantine, so once more you’re just talking out of your a$$."

    Huh? You have a reading comprehension problem don't you. I would never admit to believing what you believe. Thanks so much though.


  257. Lefty Patriot Says:

    They do if they want to be accepted as anything more than a belief.

    No proof = BELIEF.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 12:39 am

    You sure know how to be howlingly, screamingly wrong, I'll give you that.


  258. Juan C. Says:

    I think George Carlin tells it better.

    Religion is bullshit.


  259. Shayne Says:

    Thats RIGHT Flavius, and don’t you forget it.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 12:35 am

    How can I forget. The level of ignorance required to perceive that religious belief can be simplified by semantics and what the dictionary says is breathtaking. Your argument has left me speechless.


  260. Sabyen91 Says:

    Barty, do you believe in Allah? Do you believe in the Buddah? Do you believe in Isis? Do you believe in Thor? Do you believe in Zeus?


  261. Lefty Patriot Says:

    No, it doesn’t speak well for your intelligence, that you are ARGUING WITH THE DICTIONARY.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 12:41 am

    Your selectivity just shows your intellectual dishonesty and proves the weakness of our argument, or you would admit that dictionaries have more than one definition for many of the words therein, thereby proving semantic inconsistency.


  262. barfly Says:

    No, it doesn’t speak well for your intelligence, that you are ARGUING WITH THE DICTIONARY.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 12:41 am

    Just one example, coward.


  263. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Or that you actually think that saying “I disbelieve that is true” is not the same thing as saying “I believe that is not true”.

    That speaks really poorly for your intellectual integrity."

    Wow, really? He lacks intellectual integrity but you, who refuses to call belief in a god, faith, is pure? You are a semantics whore.


  264. barfly Says:

    Bart, what does the "a" in atheist stand for?


  265. Shayne Says:

    Really Zooey, how dare you be on topic when Bartlebee is busy trolling here like a true believer poser trying to take us off topic. He undoubtedly needs the trolling money for important things like donating to the Huckabee for Presdent campaign.


  266. Keith Says:

    Sabyen, I believe I'll have a Heineken if you're buying.


  267. shaun Says:

    come on people - this thread is supposed to be about huck's ignorance of an intelligence report - how the hell did religion get thrust into this debate?? - don't feed the trolls!!!


  268. Sabyen91 Says:

    Bartlebee, you can't prove the freaking spaghetti monster doesn't exist but you would be a freaking moron to believe it did. Get it???


  269. Shayne Says:

    You don’t know what I believe or disbeleive Constantine, so once more you’re just talking out of your a$$.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 12:38 am

    OK Caligula, could you look up flip flop for us in the dictionary.


  270. barfly Says:

    That's even better than "just one example."

    What's the "a" for, Bart?


  271. Sabyen91 Says:

    Keith, let me order one with my Credit Card for you :)


  272. Shayne Says:

    Bart, what does the “a” in atheist stand for?

    Comment by barfly — January 2, 2008 @ 12:46 am

    Well the A in asexual means the absence of but that's not good enough for Emperor Barflebee.


  273. Keith Says:

    Cheers, Sabyen, British pint, please.


  274. Sabyen91 Says:

    "come on people - this thread is supposed to be about huck’s ignorance of an intelligence report - how the hell did religion get thrust into this debate?? - don’t feed the trolls!!!"

    I think it is 11:50 at night. I don't think there would be more than 2 posts for the rest of the night on Huck's idiocy.


  275. barfly Says:

    Such a simple question, you'd think Bart could answer "what is the "a" in atheist stand for?"


  276. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Sorry idiot, but if you cannot prove something, then you cannot claim it as fact. It is merely something you believe. Maybe you have evidence to make it a viable theory, but if you cannot prove it, its just a belief.

    Sorry you don’t like it but only a fool would argue that point.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 12:47 am

    Wrong again, bart. too bad your dictionaries aren't as consistent as you are, perhaps they would be relevant to this discussion. You might calm down enough to realize that the non-believer vs. believer argument is over, and that this thread is about you and what an ass you are. I would say that this is conclusive proof that you have lost. Nobody buys your dreck, or your feeble-minded schoolboy reframing. Calling me names has certainly given you the high ground, right?

    There's no loser like a poor loser.


  277. barfly Says:

    What does the "A" in atheism stand for, Bart?


  278. Shayne Says:

    No, it doesn’t speak well for your intelligence, that you are ARGUING WITH THE DICTIONARY.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 12:41 am

    Bafflebee believes that you go straight to hell for arguing with the dictionary now. What god do you pray too Baff, Mirriam Webster?


  279. Sabyen91 Says:

    "I didn’t “refuse” to call it anything you ignorant twit.

    I refused to let you put words in my mouth.

    The discussion of the word faith is a whole nuther topic, and not something I ever, ever brought up."

    No, Barty, atheism is the lack of the ridiculous belief in god, i.e. faith. Of course it is part of the conversation.


  280. gummitch Says:

    When you all get this settled, would you please tell me which end of a hardboiled egg is the right end to open?

    It's been bothering me for some time now.


  281. Zooey Says:

    I'd like a margarita on the rocks, extra salt please. :-)


  282. barfly Says:

    What does the “A” in atheism stand for, Bart?


  283. Sabyen91 Says:

    Ohhh, I forgot. You are the arbiter of this conversation, Barty!!! My apologies. May your green dwarves bless you and carry you.


  284. Sabyen91 Says:

    "When you all get this settled, would you please tell me which end of a hardboiled egg is the right end to open?"

    My belief is whatever side happens to be the bottom when you smack it!


  285. Zooey Says:

    When you all get this settled, would you please tell me which end of a hardboiled egg is the right end to open?

    It’s been bothering me for some time now.

    Comment by gummitch — January 2, 2008 @ 12:54 am

    I'd go with the pointy end. It just looks cuter in the egg cup that way. But I'm certainly no expert on the subject.


  286. Shayne Says:

    Wow if the people who wrote definitions knew that the basis for religious theories hinged on whether they called atheism a belief or a school of thought maybe they would have worded their description more carefully. Of course maybe Barfle needs to look up the definition of "belief" so he isn't so hung up on one perhaps less than perfectly worded definition.


  287. Sabyen91 Says:

    You are so full of crap, Barty. You have not once responded to me vis a vis belief. Or belief vs. faith. or believing in things that have evidence or believing in green dwarves. You have no standing.


  288. Lefty Patriot Says:

    If you go to dictionary.com, you'll find that fully half the definitions quoted say nothing about belief or doctrine. very inconvenient for bartie, I'd say!

    and again, it proves only bart's intellectual dishonesty and willingness to cherrypick in a lame attempt to "win".


  289. Xisithrus Says:

    I cant believe this is still going.

    Atheism is denying the existence of God. The dictionary is not quite correct in saying atheism is a belief.

    Theism is a belief

    Atheism is denying that belief.

    While theists will say its not a belief its truth.

    And atheists will deny that truth[which at this point is objective/subjective]


  290. Xisithrus Says:

    Can we move past this now?


  291. barfly Says:

    What does the “A” in atheism stand for, Bart?

    Surely you're not afraid to answer?


  292. Sabyen91 Says:

    "See?

    The poor wittle atheist calls people of faiths beliefs “ridiculous”.

    Well I think you’re ridiculous."

    Hmm, kill the messenger? You haven't addressed any of my points...ever.


  293. Jackie Says:

    Rev. Huck is using Karl Rove's trick of saying he wants Christ in the White House. Now for 7 years we were told God was in the White House because God wanted Bush to be President. Something smells with that story as Satan has been in charge. Now Rev. Huck accepts gifts for favors and has to pay his bills. Looks like the Saudis are rooting for Rev. Huck to get the Oval Office. Rev. Huck will sell the United States and then lie about it like he did with the floating cross aka bookshelf without books. Who ever heard of a bookshelf floating anyway. But as usual Americans believe that story even after seeing it was false. Why because Rev. Huck is a Christian man who wouldn't lie like the other Christian men. We see another Wacko Republican looking to steal taxpayers money. The line is long. Don't bring Rev. Huck to California he might want to hit on Britney as she's available.


  294. Lefty Patriot Says:

    But given the two, I’ll take the religionists everytime.

    :|

    At least they serve Jello.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 12:58 am

    figures you'd be not only a cheap whore, but would get a shot in at the religionists as well.


  295. Sabyen91 Says:

    "I’ll believe or not believe what I want, and I don’t need some idiot to tell me what to think."

    You go right ahead. Not like you aren't always wrong anyway.


  296. barfly Says:

    I'll quit - but whenever Bart starts posting this crap (regardless of who starts it) I'll be there to ask him my simple question.


  297. Lefty Patriot Says:

    wonder what Huckabee thinks? he probably agrees with bart. or maybe he'd ask britney.


  298. Shayne Says:

    Perhaps Barf needs to look up the word doctrine he neglected to glom onto when he was getting all caught up the his theory that atheism is a belief system.


  299. gummitch Says:

    I know I'm going to regret this, I just know it.

    The Oxford English Dictionary, which is arguably the finest and most thorough dictionary of the language:

    Atheism: "Disbelief in, or denial of, the existence of a God. Also, Disregard of duty to God, godlessness (practical atheism)."

    Atheist: "1. One who denies or disbelieves the existence of a God.

    2. One who practically denies the existence of a God by disregard of moral obligation to Him; a godless man"


  300. Shayne Says:

    Well Barf could you look in your dictionary and try to find out which came first, the chicken or the egg, because the jury is still out everywhere else but your all knowing dictionary surely has the answer.


  301. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Atheism is denying the existence of God. The dictionary is not quite correct in saying atheism is a belief."

    I disagree. I think atheism is a belief. We can't prove it just as we can't prove green dwarves don't exist. We can't totally prove we even exist. What Barty refuses to acknowledge is the scientific method. What he refuses to acknowledge is we have good reason to believe there is no god or pink unicorns or the freaking tooth fairy. Because there is no evidence.


  302. Shayne Says:

    Comment by gummitch — January 2, 2008 @ 1:05 am

    Gee gummitch it looks like the Oxford Dictionary agrees with everybody here ... except ... Bart. But what the hell do the English know about English?


  303. Sabyen91 Says:

    "And until atheists can PROVE their number one claim that a god does not exist, then you’re still wrong."

    Talk about intellectually dishonest. The guy that believes in the omnipotent dude in the sky wants atheists to prove he doesn't exist. AGAIN, prove green dwarves don't exist. Don't you get that point, Barty???? You want us to prove a made up being doesn't exist?


  304. Sabyen91 Says:

    Hey, Barty, I didn't see doctrine or system of beliefs in your atheist definition. Why are you bringing that up?


  305. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Atheists cannot by their own admission, prove their number one claim, that there is no god.

    When they can, then they will rise to a fact based system.

    UNTIL they can, they will remain a belief based one.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 1:02 am

    That's the height of ignorance, and nothing but a faith-based lie. Nobody needs to prove the non-existence of something that has never been proven to exist. Nobody. You can claim that we need to prove the non-existence of god, unicorns, the flying spagetti monster or the tooth fairy, and have exactly the same credibility--none. you can cite the billions of believers, the hopeful, the brainwashed, scared or just plain crazy people that have had audiences with god, and yet not one has proof that would withstand scientific scrutiny, and more than a few have been locked up for their own protection. You are biased and ignorant, period. and you've done nothing but prove your bigotry and stupidity over hundreds of frenzied, ego-driven, angry, nasty posts for weeks. Get over yourself. You lost.


  306. Xisithrus Says:

    Thats fine Sabyen, what people here are arguing here is opinion.

    An argument of opinion has no winners or losers.

    I think pickles are gross.


  307. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Thanks for admitting you’re just an illiterate dunce, arguing with the dictionary."

    Did you just go all O'Reilly on my ass? Did you just not only take my comments out of context but CHANGE them???


  308. Lefty Patriot Says:

    I think pickles are gross.

    Comment by Xisithrus — January 2, 2008 @ 1:12 am

    only if there are twelve dozen.


  309. Juan C. Says:

    Can we move past this now?
    Comment by Xisithrus

    It's kind of funny to watch the discussion when you have the Maxim webpage open in another window. Maxim-TP senseless discussion-Maxim-TPsenseless discussion...


  310. Shayne Says:

    DOCTRINE:A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief

    AMERICAN HERITAGE DICTIONARY

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 1:07 am

    Can you see Bart where this kind of shoots your whole argument in the foot or is this one of the intricacies of language that some men have trouble comprehending. You know, why some people believe women have better language skills. Oops, I said believe.


  311. gummitch Says:

    I think pickles are gross.

    Comment by Xisithrus — January 2, 2008 @ 1:12 am

    Sweet pickles are gross, true. Gherkins are even more gross.

    Garlic dill pickles, however, are -- well, I was going to say they are God's gift to the pastrami sandwich, but that might be a poor choice of words.


  312. barfly Says:

    "I don’t care what you ask inbred, until you can get the dictionary to retract its defintion of atheism as a belief, then you’re wrong."

    Now you're wobbling like a drunk. How could one be "wrong" for asking a question? Doesn't one usually have to make a declarative statement to be considered "wrong?"

    I asked you a simple question - and you've run like a rabbit every time I asked it.


  313. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Did you just go all O’Reilly on my ass? Did you just not only take my comments out of context but CHANGE them???

    Comment by Sabyen91 — January 2, 2008 @ 1:12 am

    Are you surprised? It's really all he has left. he's the last Japanese soldier on the island, in 1946.


  314. Shayne Says:

    I think pickles are gross.

    Comment by Xisithrus — January 2, 2008 @ 1:12 am

    Well sir you had better take that back, those are fighting words! Oh, have you ever tried pickled heads?


  315. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Thats fine Sabyen, what people here are arguing here is opinion.

    An argument of opinion has no winners or losers.

    I think pickles are gross."

    Ok, so, TP is worthless then because everybody here has an opinion. And most here agree with me and you about Bush. It is all opinion. If you don't have one about religion, fine, but that doesn't give you the right to poo-poo the whole thing because it is below you.


  316. Xisithrus Says:

    It’s kind of funny to watch -Juan

    Pointlessly so.


  317. Shayne Says:

    Hey Bart I'm still waiting for you to get back to me on that chicken or egg thing. If the dictionary can't give you the final answer perhaps you could ask the Wizard of Oz. Or maybe an oracle. Maybe a Ouija board.


  318. Wayne Says:

    It’s kind of funny to watch the discussion when you have the Maxim webpage open in another window. Maxim-TP senseless discussion-Maxim-TPsenseless discussion…

    Comment by Juan C. — January 2, 2008 @ 1:13 am

    LMAO!!!


  319. Zooey Says:

    I think pickles are gross.
    Comment by Xisithrus — January 2, 2008 @ 1:12 am

    Well, you'd be right if you were talking about sweet pickles. Blech!

    But dill pickles are divine. Yum!


  320. Sabyen91 Says:

    "t’s kind of funny to watch the discussion when you have the Maxim webpage open in another window. Maxim-TP senseless discussion-Maxim-TPsenseless discussion…"

    As I just said to X, it is your right to think a discussion is senseless. But the conversation between trickle-down morons and normal people is as well. Is anybody going to change there minds even if we were on-topic? Honestly.


  321. Xisithrus Says:

    Ok, so, TP is worthless then because everybody here has an opinion. -Sabyen

    I didnt say anything about TP. I am not going to argue with you, or anyone over an opinion you, or they, hold.

    The sky is green.


  322. Shayne Says:

    Garlic dill pickles, however, are — well, I was going to say they are God’s gift to the pastrami sandwich, but that might be a poor choice of words.

    Comment by gummitch — January 2, 2008 @ 1:14 am

    Do you think they are God's gift to pastrami or do you BELIEVE they are God's gif to pastrami? We have to get it technically correct so Bart doesn't go all postal on us.


  323. Zooey Says:

    Oh, have you ever tried pickled heads?
    Comment by Shayne — January 2, 2008 @ 1:15 am

    That should have been a great party thread. I wasted that picture on y'all. :P


  324. Sabyen91 Says:

    "You’re just an idiot, arguing with the dictionary, like the rest of your ratpack."

    I love how you just ignore any argument you can't handle.


  325. Juan C. Says:

    I think pickles are tasty and I like them.

    Can somebody find in the dictionary if I like them or not?

    Heh.


  326. Shayne Says:

    Are pickled heads dill or sweet?


  327. Zooey Says:

    The sky is green.
    Comment by Xisithrus — January 2, 2008 @ 1:19 am

    Dill pickle sky...


  328. Zooey Says:

    Are pickled heads dill or sweet?
    Comment by Shayne — January 2, 2008 @ 1:21 am

    When I make them, they're always dill.


  329. Sabyen91 Says:

    "I didnt say anything about TP. I am not going to argue with you, or anyone over an opinion you, or they, hold.

    The sky is green."

    Yes, you are. You find this conversation to be pointless. That is ok. But it is like countless conversations on TP and any other blog and any other real life conversation. Likely nobody will change their minds but people still talk. You don't like the topic. Understandable. You said "Can we move past this now?" I doubt we ever will, just like every other debate we ever have.


  330. Xisithrus Says:

    I think pickles are tasty and I like them. -Juan

    I hate you!!! Pickles are gross, onlt trickle down morons like pickles!! Hang the anti-american pickle lovers!!

    [I'm kidding Juan] =)


  331. Shayne Says:

    Can somebody find in the dictionary if I like them or not?

    Heh.

    Comment by Juan C. — January 2, 2008 @ 1:20 am

    LMAO, furreal.


  332. Sabyen91 Says:

    "I am answering every reasonable question on the topic thrown at me by you illiterates."

    No, you aren't. Can you tell me you believe in pink unicorns?


  333. barfly Says:

    You’re just an idiot, arguing with the dictionary, like the rest of your ratpack.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE

    I'm asking a simple question that you cannot answer without acknowledging the dictionaries' sematic inconsistencies. From an intellectual standpoint it reveals you as inherently shallow and uncontemplative of obvious contradiction (look the word "contradiction "up sometime - "contra" doesn't mean "with," anymore than "a" means "for."


  334. Wayne Says:

    Because until you can prove it, you’ve got nothing more than a belief.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 1:16 am

    No, the proponent of the belief has no evidence to support the position, so from a scientific viewpoint there is no evidence of the existence of this supposed sky god. Provide that proof and I will examine the evidence then see for myself if it actually proves your/the proponent of the belief's claim.

    The A in Atheism means Without, theism means belief.
    Thus Atheism means literally without belief.


  335. Xisithrus Says:

    Likely nobody will change their minds but people still talk. -Well Hello.

    I find it pointless because opinons are not factual even though many think they are and will argue endlessly to prove their opinion [belief]


  336. Juan C. Says:

    Hang the anti-american pickle lovers!!
    Comment by Xisithrus

    Hehehe. Zep, BTW, pickles are those strange green things that are sliced and put into hamburgers right?


  337. Wayne A. Schneider Says:

    I do not believe that deities exist. I do not need to prove their non-existence, which I cannot. The burden of proof rests with the people who wish to claim that deities do exist. So far, I have seen nothing that those who believe in deities have produced that has convinced me that they are right and I am am wrong. I find their reasoning often to be circular. I remain unconvinced that deities exist. I have nothing to prove, for I am not the one making the claim that something exists.

    Good night, everyone. And Peace on Earth in the coming New Year.


  338. Shayne Says:

    I think, no I BELIEVE, that most of us agree that the only real dickweed here is Bartlebee. And if at least two of us went into court and testified that yes, Bartlebee was IN FACT the only dickweed here who would rebut that testimony. There seems to be only one rebuttal witness and he probably wouldn't have any credibility with the court because he'd be lugging his four dictionaries with him and not one of them would deny he was a dickweed and if the dictionary doesn't say he isn't how can it be so, etc. etc. etc.


  339. barfly Says:

    "I am answering every reasonable question on the topic thrown at me by you illiterates."

    I guess he considers "what does the 'a' in atheist stand for," to be "unreasonable," because he's refused to answer it yet, even after repeated requests to reply.


  340. Xisithrus Says:

    Hehehe. Zep, BTW, pickles are those strange green things that are sliced and put into hamburgers right? -Juan

    Yes, pickled cucumbers


  341. Shayne Says:

    I am answering every reasonable question on the topic thrown at me by you illiterates

    Bartlebee, does your dictionary DEFINE what is a "reasonable question" and what isn't? Because I'd thing that was subjective much like whether atheism is a belief system or a lack of belief in another system.


  342. barfly Says:

    Bawk, Bawk, Bart.


  343. Sabyen91 Says:

    "I find it pointless because opinons are not factual even though many think they are and will argue endlessly to prove their opinion [belief]"

    No opinions are factual!!! Everybody creates there own facts. Everybody believes they are right because of the facts they have in their minds. I believe it is a fact that there is no evidence that there is a god. Other people believe it is a FACT there is a god. I believe it is a fact that Bush is spying on the American people. The hard right believes Bush is spying on terrorists. It is the way the world works.


  344. Lefty Patriot Says:

    And I’m right here, but I don’t see any questions that I haven’t handled, or cannot handle.

    Put it up dickweed.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 1:21 am

    you haven't gotten one answer right, if that's what you call "handling" the questions.

    "The theists have produced thousands of years of evidence to support their claims. You may not like the evidence, but its evidence nonetheless.

    So if you want to confront the evidence, and deny it, thats one thing.

    Thats between you and the religionists.

    But to make the claim that they are ALL wrong, the BILLIONS of them, ALL WRONG, and you’re right, then you’d better be able to back up that claim, Nostradumbass.

    Because until you can prove it, you’ve got nothing more than a belief.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 1:16 am"

    well, I realize that your intellect is vey limited, so I'll keep this simple. if one of those billions of claims could be or had been scientifically proven, then we wouldn't even need to have this discussion, would we? In 1500, everybody knew the Earth was flat. Scientists were executed for claiming otherwise. Congratulations on being a member of the church hierarchy of 1500. your inability to process facts is a severe impediment to your ability to present a serious argument. that's probably why you've been so soundly defeated and humiliated. Even the believers and faithful here know that you're completely full of shit. But thanks for proving it, over and over again.


  345. Shayne Says:

    The A in Atheism means Without, theism means belief.
    Thus Atheism means literally without belief.

    Comment by Wayne — January 2, 2008 @ 1:26 am

    ** SMACK **

    And Bart goes down for the count, 1, 2, 3, 4 and while his trainer is telling him to stay down he comes back with ...


  346. Sabyen91 Says:

    "I think, no I BELIEVE, that most of us agree that the only real dickweed here is Bartlebee."

    Well, THAT is a provable hypothesis.


  347. barfly Says:

    "Congratulations on being a member of the church hierarchy of 1500."

    That's what I was saying (sort of): Bart can't acknowledge inconsistencies, even when they're pointed out to him; a dogmatic belief in "authority" over common sense.


  348. Xisithrus Says:

    No opinions are factual!!! -Sabyen

    Like I said, people believe their opinions and then they put them on others. Thats projectionism.

    Lets say you call me a moron. Thats fine, thats your opinion, but its not a fact.


  349. Lefty Patriot Says:

    The A mean no or non. It means no belief in theism.

    Another way of saying that is saying they believe theism is incorrect.

    In the ABSECENCE OF PROOF, its still just a belief.

    No matter what word games you want to play, they ALL COME BACK TO BELIEF.

    ATHEISM IN THE ABSENCE OF PROOF OF THEIR CLAIMS, MUST REMAIN A BELIEF.

    PERIOD.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 1:34 am

    that's what you believe. it is not fact.

    PERIOD.


  350. Xisithrus Says:

    Is denial belief?

    I deny that I have ever drank alcohol.


  351. barfly Says:

    "The A mean no or non. It means no belief in theism."

    Ding! Ding! Ding!

    Winner!

    You used "no," meaning "anti" -belief.

    Glad to see you're in the real world.


  352. Wayne Says:

    Atheism is a belief.

    Atheism is the BELIEF that there is no god.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 1:28 am

    No, A-Theism means literally, by it's structure without belief. It is built into the structure of the word.

    Prove your supposition in a more logical manner please.

    Example: show me the scientific evidence of YOUR CLAIM. I do not have to prove the Non-existence, because I made no claim, you/the proponent of the belief did.


  353. Xisithrus Says:

    I believe that I have never drunk alcohol, I misremembered


  354. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Like I said, people believe their opinions and then they put them on others. Thats projectionism.

    Lets say you call me a moron. Thats fine, thats your opinion, but its not a fact."

    Wow, you are trying to paint me in a bad light with your own words. My point is that people do project and and people believe a whole lot of crap. My point is why are you arguing some threads while others are below you?


  355. Sabyen91 Says:

    Stop arguing sementics with Barty. He is right that atheism is technically a belief because it can never be proven or disproven. The FACT is neither can unicorns, vampires, fairies, or demons. Some beliefs are more valid than others because of the scientific method and the rules of evidence.


  356. Lefty Patriot Says:

    In fact, are you illiterate morons actually arguing that atheism does not claim that there is no god?

    lol, are you morons, actually trying to make that claim?

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 1:35 am

    atheism=non-belief

    What if I claim you killed my brother? if I have no brother, is my claim true? You can't prove you didn't kill my brother, and if we go to court, I can't prove you did. Will you go to prison? Highly unlikely.

    I claim there is no god. If you can't show me god, am I wrong? No, I'm not. Do I need to show you "no god"? Of course not. But, I can, easily.


  357. Juan C. Says:

    Of course there is no god.

    What God could let this stupid discussion take place?


  358. Sabyen91 Says:

    Whatever ridiculous thing you can imagine (i.e. a time-travelling English-speaking fire-breathing frog) somebody else does not believe in. Doesn't mean it is realistic or even close to being supported by evidence.



  359. barfly Says:

    My point (which Bart repeatedly missed) was that his reliance on the dictionary was dogmatic, in that every other example of "a" wordings carried negative - or anti - semantic connotations. This sort of reliance on authoritative expertise over common-sense, even when shown clear evidence of semantic inconsistency, was what I was rubbing his nose in, not so much the merits of "belief vs nonbelief.

    And that's it for me, tomight.


  360. Wayne Says:

    Ok, when your "scientific" evidence is posting quotes from other posters, your evidence has reached the point of being simply ridiculous.

    Night all.


  361. republicans hate facts Says:

    Merriam Webster - the DEFINITIVE AMERICAN english dictionary... There's no SYSTEM to it, other than the SYSTEM that PROVES WHAT AN ILLITERATE MORON BART IS! The SCHOLAR OF ANTIQUITIES that doesn't know GREEK ROOT WORDS and QUALIFIERS!! ROTFL!!

    Main Entry:
    athe·ism Listen to the pronunciation of atheism
    Pronunciation:
    \ˈā-thē-ˌi-zəm\
    Function:
    noun
    Etymology:
    Middle French athéisme, from athée atheist, from Greek atheos godless, from a- + theos god
    Date:
    1546

    1archaic : ungodliness wickedness
    2 a: a disbelief in the existence of deity

    For those 'TARDED like bark, DISBELIEVE is a LACK OF BELIEF not a BELIEF...


  362. Lefty Patriot Says:

    bart has been quoting two posters and 4 dictionaries, all of whom are wrong. good boy, bart, now roll over, play dead.

    please.


  363. Sabyen91 Says:

    Bartlebee, you DO know HuffPo is a Clinton mouthpiece right? Congratulations for your quote.


  364. republicans hate facts Says:

    Bart's now STUPID ENOUGH to post OPINION PIECES as FACTS! ROTFL!!! You ARE A REPUBLICAN BART!!! ROTFL!!


  365. Sabyen91 Says:

    Sorry, no, they are an Obama mouthpiece. Pretty Christian.


  366. republicans hate facts Says:

    Bart once said that there are LOTS OF DIFFERENT AGNOSTICS - yet the POOR LITTLE GIRL is saying there's ONLY ONE ATHEISM!!! ROTFL!! What a DISGUSTING LITTLE BIGOTED NERD!


  367. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Atheism as a Stealth Religion

    By David Sloan Wilson
    HUFFINGTONPOST.COM
    Posted December 14, 2007 | 04:50 PM (EST)

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 1:46 am

    Oh, good, another opinion, based on fear and ignorance. When you lose, you sure lose BIG, bartie.


  368. Juan C. Says:

    Breathe, people, breathe. That's all that matters.

    Night. Take care.


  369. Sabyen91 Says:

    Hmm, Bart, sorry, looks like Merriam Webster says disbelief. Since you have been following the words of a dictionary for hours...you might want to apologize to those you smeared.


  370. republicans hate facts Says:

    Hey Bart, I'm sure if I look hard enough I can find a POSTER that says YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN FUNDING ISLAMIST! I guess in YOUR WORLD it's TRUE!! ROTFL!!


  371. republicans hate facts Says:

    Second, when my audience is a bunch of illiterate idiots who IGNORE the DICTIONARY,
    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 1:48 am

    ROTFL!! PURE PROJECTION!! Where AMERICAN ENGLISH is concerned, Merriam Webster is THE DICTIONARY - meaning YOU'RE A MORON AND A LIAR!


  372. Xisithrus Says:

    In English, the term atheism was derived from the French athéisme in about 1587.[10] The term atheist (from Fr. athée), in the sense of "one who denies or disbelieves the existence of God",[


  373. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Obviously nothing will sway a moron who argues with the dictionary though."

    Are you arguing with Webster? Cause if you are, I am ok with that. You calling anybody who doesn't agree with a dictionary a moron would make you look pretty stupid though.


  374. republicans hate facts Says:

    Merriam Webster is THE DICTIONARY in American there SPORT!


  375. Sabyen91 Says:

    "And NOTHING anyones going to say is going to change that fact."

    Be honest, little boy, nothing anybody is going to say will change your mind.


  376. republicans hate facts Says:

    Athesim cannot prove its primary contention that god or gods do not exist, thus it is merely a BELIEF.
    And NOTHING anyones going to say is going to change that fact.
    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 1:51 am

    ROTFL!!! It's not the RESPONSIBILITY of people to DISPROVE THE EXISTENCE of something - GROWN UPS know that - but CHILDREN LIKE YOU still believe in SANTA CLAUSE and the EASTER BUNNY!! ROTFL!!


  377. Shayne Says:

    I believe that Bartlebee, no I KNOW that Bartlebee is as bad as any other troll in disrupting a thread. And while this one, as Sabyen pointed out was going nowhere any way at this time of night, it's important to remember that Bartlebee is just being a good little soldier in the war against progressive bloggers. And while his system has given him leeway that other trolls have been denied the point is that his mission is the same as theirs' and nothing more. And if he truly believes that his game of semantics as well as quotes from others taken out of context makes him superior to anybody then he is certainly a Republican.


  378. Xisithrus Says:

    In early Ancient Greek, the adjective atheos (ἄθεος, from the privative ἀ- + θεός "god") meant "godless". The word began to indicate more-intentional, active godlessness in the 5th century BCE, acquiring definitions of "severing relations with the gods" or "denying the gods, ungodly" instead of the earlier meaning of ἀσεβής (asebēs) or "impious". -wikipedia


  379. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Obviously nothing will sway a moron who argues with the dictionary though.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 1:48 am

    Well, if this were a Scrabble game, or jeopardy, you might have a leg to stand on. But the dictionary doesn't cut it, especially when you misrepresent the full scope of definitions given. Your behavior is that of an ignorant, brainwashed wingnut troll. You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself by now. You've been in a tiny minority for weeks, because you're wrong. You've been thoroughly schooled, in every way, from every angle, and you have refused to learn anything. You're a loser. You should know better than to argue with a likelong non-believer over atheism, something you know nothing about, apart from your cherry-picked dictionary definitions. How shallow can you get?


  380. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Merriam Webster is THE DICTIONARY in American there SPORT!"

    Yup, that is the one we had in school.


  381. republicans hate facts Says:

    I pointed out to this festering carbunkle on the a$$ of this blog about a month and a half ago, about 3000 times too, that my comments ONLY apply to those calling themselves atheists, who DENY the existence of a god or gods.
    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 1:51 am

    Don't believe is DENY in your book? ROTFL!! You're STUPID!


  382. barfly Says:

    Obviously nothing will sway a moron who argues with the dictionary though.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE

    Here we go again. RHF just posted a credible dictionary definition of atheist that is inconsistent with the ones provided by Bart. Does Bart acknowlege any such inconsistency?

    Nope.

    Shallow and uncontemplative - I sure called that one right.


  383. Shayne Says:

    What a DISGUSTING LITTLE BIGOTED NERD!

    Comment by republicans hate facts — January 2, 2008 @ 1:48 am

    NERD - TURD? You say potAto and I say potAHto.


  384. Sabyen91 Says:

    "I believe that Bartlebee, no I KNOW that Bartlebee is as bad as any other troll in disrupting a thread. And while this one, as Sabyen pointed out was going nowhere any way at this time of night, it’s important to remember that Bartlebee is just being a good little soldier in the war against progressive bloggers."

    Ugh, I hate being the naysayer. I just have no faith in the human race :) Except for the minority (and the majority here at TP, even when I disagree)


  385. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Athesim cannot prove its primary contention that god or gods do not exist, thus it is merely a BELIEF.

    And NOTHING anyones going to say is going to change that fact.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 1:51 am

    that's not a fact, it's just your uneducated, misguided, ignorant, bigoted, fearful opinion.

    and THAT'S a fact!


  386. Xisithrus Says:

    I know my God, and frankly I am not bothered if people deny my belief, why should I?


  387. Lefty Patriot Says:

    NONE SAY IT IS NOT.

    Thus, its FOUR BARTLEBEE, ZERO numbskulls.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 1:55 am

    That's a lie, and you're a liar. How low will you sink?


  388. zathrus Says:

    The dictionary definition of "Atheism" may be accurate, but consider the difference between:

    1) believing there is NO god
    2) not believing there is a god

    I think these are too completely different things. For example, I don't believe in extra-terrestrials, but I DON'T believe extra-terrestrials don't exist.

    I't is a matter of what you feel is needed to comfortable in your own thought processes. Some people believe that there must be a God, or Gods in whatever form they believe it or they take. For others, it is simply not necessary for the existence of such a being in order for them to live, love and be happy.

    Now, perhaps this is the difference between Atheism and atheism, but I for one, think that in many cases, folks who call themselves atheists, or others choose to label that way are in fact simply not making believe in the existence of God a necessary part of their being.


  389. republicans hate facts Says:

    Here we go again. RHF just posted a credible dictionary definition of atheist that is inconsistent with the ones provided by Bart. Does Bart acknowlege any such inconsistency?
    Nope.
    Shallow and uncontemplative - I sure called that one right.
    Comment by barfly — January 2, 2008 @ 1:54 am

    Yeah, poor BART was STUPID ENOUGH to claim that A-Theism meant ANTI-THEISM in Greek - and also claimed to be a BIBLICAL SCHOLAR (an act that would REQUIRE KNOWLEDGE OF GREEK). Poor TARD was too stupid to know that A-Theism meant WITHOUT Theism not AGAINST Theism! And when I SCHOOLED him, he resorted to some LAME IRRELEVANT DICTIONARIES - even AFTER I REPEATEDLY supplied the Merriam Webster definitions and the explanation of Greek. That in my book says INTELLECTUAL and MORAL FRAUD! That's as REPUBLICAN as they COME - a LYING HYPOCRITE!


  390. Moderation Says:

    Oxford-English Dictionary definition of belief, to go with Wayne's definition of atheism:

    belief
    • noun
    1. a feeling that something exists or is true, especially one without proof. 2. a firmly held opinion.
    3. (belief in) trust or confidence in.
    4. religious faith.

    Note how BART always, without exception, uses only the definitions that fit his preconceived notions. Note also that he never, ever uses the single most trusted English dictionary in the entire world, the one that every scholar of the language uses above all others.

    Everything is a belief system. Science is a belief system. Scientists have TRUST or CONFIDENCE IN science, because it is self-correcting, required peer review, the most fundamental tenets can be challenged by new evidence, it required repeatable evidence, etc.

    Asserting that atheism is a belief means absolutely, positively NOTHING. It is a diversion. It is sleight of mind.

    Regardless, theists bear 100% of the burden of proof of their POSITIVE assertion. The defender of the negative stance, which is not an assertion as it requires no burden of proof, merely needs to prove that the party making the positive assertion cannot prove their assertion.

    Also, it completely depends upon your definition of deity. A deity that is omni-anything (omniscience, omnipotent, omni-benevolent, etc) fundamentally requires paradox to exist. A being more powerful than ourselves is entirely within the realms of logic, reason and possibility. An omniscience, omnipotent, omni-benevolent deity is not.

    Testimonials are not ample evidence, when cultural bias, confirmation bias, groupthink, and status-quo bias are all enormous factors impacting said testimonials.

    Finally, BART, you are most assuredly the troll here, and I, like others, am quite sick and tired of your ridiculous, lengthy, ranting derailing of threads. I will report you every time you do so. This is one such time. You are more than welcome to do the same. Call it a hunch, but I'm pretty damned sure it will take a lot of effort to actually report me to such a degree that I am banned.


  391. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Yea unfortunately for you Merriam Webster does NOT state athesim is NOT a belief."

    What?????


  392. republicans hate facts Says:

    Of course the rest of us don’t NEED a dictionary to know that when someone makes a claim that they cannot prove, that that person is merely relating a BELIEF.
    The rest of us KNOW that that which is not proven remains a belief.
    We don’t need dictionaries to help us understand simple things like that.
    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 1:58 am

    So it's only a BELIEF that there's NO SANTA CLAUS and TOOTH FAIRY!! ROTFL you're a MORON!


  393. Lefty Patriot Says:

    I know my God, and frankly I am not bothered if people deny my belief, why should I?

    Comment by Xisithrus — January 2, 2008 @ 1:56 am

    Well said. I don't eat meat, yet would never knock a steak from someone's plate, any more than I would ever preach my non-belief to a person of faith.


  394. Shayne Says:

    10 out of 10 posters on this thread believe Bartlebee is a jackass. Those are pretty hard statistics to overcome.


  395. republicans hate facts Says:

    Yea unfortunately for you Merriam Webster does NOT state athesim is NOT a belief.
    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 1:55 am

    ROTFL, except the FACT that DISBELIEF means WITHOUT-BELIEF!! ROTFL!!! You're a MORON BART!


  396. republicans hate facts Says:

    Definition of Disbelief!

    To NOT BELIEVE - the opposite of HAVING A BELIEF!!

    ROTFL Bart is a COMPLETE IDIOT MORON that can't even comprehend BASIC ENGLISH! Yep, he's a REPUBLICAN!! ROTFL!!


  397. barfly Says:

    My Webster's ninth edition says:

    Atheism a:"A disbelief in the existence of diety." b:"the doctrine that there is no diety.

    A toss up.

    That shows major inconsistencies in wording.

    Bart strikes out again.


  398. republicans hate facts Says:

    So you’re claiming that atheists do not believe that there is no god?
    Is that what you’re saying you half witted twit?
    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 2:01 am

    ROTFL!! So you're claiming that you aren't OXYGEN DEPRIVED from having your HEAD UP YOUR @SS!! ROTFL You're STUPID! DISHONEST and ILLITERATE!


  399. Sabyen91 Says:

    I am not sure who you mean by "us", Barty. You have said that several times and I keep looking around for support for you. I just haven't seen it.


  400. republicans hate facts Says:

    10 out of 10 illiterate idiots is not a reasonable sampling.
    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 2:00 am

    Well know that we know YOUR OPINION and those of your NINE FELLOW BIGOTED ILLITERATE TROLL FRIELDS, lets sample PROGRESSIVES!!


  401. Sabyen91 Says:

    There are Christians on this site, Barty. And I respect them. You, are nothing but a contrarian with nothing to offer but hatred.


  402. republicans hate facts Says:

    POOR BART is STILL TOO STUPID to know that MERRIAM WEBSTER is THE DICTIONARY!!

    ROTFL, She's got her head so far up her *ss, she's breathing out of her navel!!


  403. Xisithrus Says:

    I dont think Bart is a jackass. So we disagree. BFD


  404. Sabyen91 Says:

    "But if you can provide just ONE DICTIONARY DEFINTION that states what you state, that is “ATHEISM IS NOT A BELIEF”, then you can sell your contradictory dictionary bullsh$t."

    I am wondering if you missed the Merriam-Webster definition or you held your hands over your ears and yelled "LALALALALALALALA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU).


  405. barfly Says:

    But until then, the dictionaries all agree, that atheism is a belief. It is the belief that there is no god.

    Comment by BARTLEBE

    Nope. Websters' contradicts your assertion.


  406. Xisithrus Says:

    It is the belief that there is no god -Bart

    They are denying, I think, your belief, not creating a new one.


  407. Shayne Says:

    The burden of proof is on YOU now BART! Prove to us you are not a troll because we believe 100% that you are nothing more than that and we will treat you as such from now on. I know you're not worried though because like the good troll you are you will just change your name again, right, IWORFEUS?


  408. Lefty Patriot Says:

    10 out of 10 illiterate idiots is not a reasonable sampling.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 2:00 am

    It could be a thousand, or a million, and a jackass like you would never allow his "belief" in his superiority to be shaken by mere facts. Your cheap semantic tricks are transparent and juvenile. You are a worthless anti-intellectual rabble-rouser, a bigot, and an ignorant person. Nobody here is illiterate, not even you. You have chosen to distort and cherry-pick, and you have been caught and outed. Your monitor must be soaking wet with your spittle as you rage forever into the darkness that is your twisted, egomaniacal worldview, vainly trying to convince intelligent liberals that your bigotry should be accepted dogma. Too bad you can't be voted off this island, you'd be gone in seconds.


  409. Sabyen91 Says:

    "I’ll add WEBSTERS to the list."

    Uhh, you are ignoring one definition in favor of the other?


  410. barfly Says:

    Thanks idiot, for proving atheism is a DOCTRINE or BELIEF, that there is no god.

    I’ll add WEBSTERS to the list.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE

    And thanks for showing that 'ol shallow, dogmatic side, Bart, even when proven wrong. I said the Websters was a toss up, but you can only see your hyperpartisan vision of reality.


  411. Lefty Patriot Says:

    But until then, the dictionaries all agree, that atheism is a belief. It is the belief that there is no god.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 2:03 am

    Liar.


  412. Sabyen91 Says:

    "The burden of proof is on YOU now BART! Prove to us you are not a troll because we believe 100% that you are nothing more than that and we will treat you as such from now on."

    True, Shayne. He keeps saying he is not a troll but the evidence shows he is. And belief or disbelief of faith or whatever...I don't care. The available evidence shows he is a troll.


  413. Xisithrus Says:

    disbelieve that you people are not illiterate idiots.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 2:09 am

    How dare you DENY my idiotness. =)


  414. Shayne Says:

    I dont think Bart is a jackass. So we disagree. BFD

    Comment by Xisithrus — January 2, 2008 @ 2:05 am

    Well then what kind of ass do you think he is? :)


  415. Moderation Says:

    Uhh, you are ignoring one definition in favor of the other?

    Comment by Sabyen91 — January 2, 2008 @ 2:07 am

    That particular phenomenon is called, repeat it with me children, confirmation bias.


  416. Lefty Patriot Says:

    I believe I have proven 1000 times over that atheism is a belief system.

    :|

    I disbelieve that I have not proven 1000 times over that atheism is a belief system.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 2:10 am

    thus, a belief, not a fact. you've only proven your own lack of intelligence.


  417. Xisithrus Says:

    Well then what kind of ass do you think he is? :)
    Comment by Shayne

    We all have asses =)


  418. barfly Says:

    "Rather than just acknowledging they are all saying the same thing, that is a DISBELIEF in something is the same thing as a BELIEF that that thing is not true."

    Wow.

    Semantically speaking, "disbelief" is gotten after the fact, not before.

    You've put the semantic cart before the horse.


  419. Lefty Patriot Says:

    That particular phenomenon is called, repeat it with me children, confirmation bias.

    Comment by Moderation — January 2, 2008 @ 2:11 am

    Not an uncommon practice among wingnut trolls, as I recall.


  420. Wayne Says:

    I believe you people are illiterate idiots.

    :|

    I disbelieve that you people are not illiterate idiots.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 2:09 am

    And I believe you have insulted me, when I have not done so to you.
    I believe you need to take careful look at your posts.
    Your method of debate has become that of a troll.


  421. zathrus Says:

    It's a shame what started out (and continues to be if only you filter out the noise) as an interesting, nuanced argument has rapidly devolved into a name calling contest. I'm sorry to see it, and choose to no longer read or post to this thread. Sorry for the brief intrusion. Now, back to your regularly schedule insults...


  422. Sabyen91 Says:

    "I believe I have proven 1000 times over that atheism is a belief system."

    You don't understand the term proof. If you did you would understand NOTHING can be proven and moreover you would understand that backs up your assertions. I don't fear you will understand that anytime soon, though. You aren't the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree.


  423. Shayne Says:

    SCROLL UP, dickhead, and find the comment where I say I am not a troll.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 2:11 am

    Well then now you're admitting you are a troll?


  424. Lefty Patriot Says:

    I believe you need to take careful look at your posts.
    Your method of debate has become that of a troll.

    Comment by Wayne — January 2, 2008 @ 2:13 am

    practice makes perfect. bart has used bullying techniques for a long time. he is very insecure, and engages in lots of dick-waving and snide nasty, schoolyard name-calling when his argument has been shredded. nothing new. every board has at least one.


  425. Shayne Says:

    We all have asses =)

    Comment by Xisithrus — January 2, 2008 @ 2:12 am

    True, but we don't all have the need to show our asses the way Bart does. ;)


  426. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Another lie from a proven liar.

    SCROLL UP, dickhead, and find the comment where I say I am not a troll."

    One...again, "proof" is pretty subjective. Two, you have always been a troll. I knew it since the first time I came back when you were attacking tombaker.


  427. Sabyen91 Says:

    "To believe me, all one has to do is accept not one, but FIVE dictionary defintions."

    And ignore the contrary definitions. Get a clue buddy.


  428. Lefty Patriot Says:

    To believe me, all one has to do is accept not one, but FIVE dictionary defintions.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 2:15 am

    most dictionaries offer several, often contradictory, definitions. to believe an idiot like you, one would have to choose only the definitions one needed to try to "win", which is intellectually lazy and dishonest. this is your methodology, and it has led to the general scorn being deservedly heaped on you. you're cheap and transparent, and you can never win this argument with such obviously lame tactics. all you need to do is prove there is a god, and you will win. that's all you need to do.


  429. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Yea, TEN to ONE.

    :|

    What a “bully”.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 2:17 am

    simple proof of your errors.


  430. MCMetal Says:

    Yeah, poor BART was STUPID ENOUGH to claim that A-Theism meant ANTI-THEISM in Greek - and also claimed to be a BIBLICAL SCHOLAR (an act that would REQUIRE KNOWLEDGE OF GREEK). Poor TARD was too stupid to know that A-Theism meant WITHOUT Theism not AGAINST Theism! And when I SCHOOLED him, he resorted to some LAME IRRELEVANT DICTIONARIES - even AFTER I REPEATEDLY supplied the Merriam Webster definitions and the explanation of Greek. That in my book says INTELLECTUAL and MORAL FRAUD! That’s as REPUBLICAN as they COME - a LYING HYPOCRITE!

    Comment by republicans hate facts — January 2, 2008 @ 1:58 am


    I'm not trying to start up a different argument or anything , but I was always quite cynical of anyone claiming to be a "Biblical Scholar" , anyway.
    I always believed the original Bible was supposedly written in Ancient/Old Hebrew ; is that correct , and isn't Old Hebrew a language that has long been a dead language ?
    How can someone be a master or be able to translate a long since dead language ?


  431. Sabyen91 Says:

    What is you motivation, Bartlebee? I asked you the first time I saw you. Is it a personal thing? Do you want to get kicked off of TP? Are you trying to martyr yourself? If that is the case TP has been more than patient with you.


  432. Xisithrus Says:

    True, but we don’t all have the need to show our asses the way Bart does. ;)

    Asses should be seen, not heard. =P


  433. Moderation Says:

    To believe me, all one has to do is accept not one, but FIVE dictionary defintions.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 2:15 am

    ...and ignore the definitions of the words you are using to prove your assertion. The definitions of "belief" are multiple, yet you use a narrow definition. Confirmation bias. The definitions of "doctrine" are multiple, yet you use a narrow definition. Confirmation bias. So one, and so forth.


  434. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Yea, yea we get it.

    You’re an idiot, arguing with the dictionary.

    Got it."

    And so are you.


  435. Shayne Says:

    So Bart you don't admit or deny you are a troll. Just another example of your manipulation of the facts. You're consistent at least. And we're all asses buy you are just perfectly brilliant, right? It must be hard to be you. In fact one has to wonder why you'd even bother to have this discussion with a bunch of "illiterates" like us. I'd think you'd either have to be getting paid, like a troll, or you're just an idiot. Which one is it Bart? Are you paid or just an idiot, we'll give you time to look it up.


  436. MCMetal Says:

    Asses should be seen, not heard. =P

    Comment by Xisithrus — January 2, 2008 @ 2:22 am


    And also wiped , after being called into 'action' .......


  437. Sabyen91 Says:

    "I studied the bible as a young man. I’ve probably forgotten more about it then most evangelical christians ever knew about it. But I am not a scholar, expert or anything else. Just a guy who’s actually read it."

    Did you ignore the parts you didn't like...like the dictionary?


  438. Lefty Patriot Says:

    You’re an idiot, arguing with the dictionary.

    Got it.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 2:21 am

    see, actually, I read all the definitions, not just the ones I agreed with. I went to the sources YOU posted, and found that dictionaries are not final arbiters, only compendiums of usages, both accepted and arcane. You have relied on dictionaries to your detriment, becasue they only serve to weaken your argument, by offering other definitions, completely contrary to the ones you have chosen. Unfortunately for you, bart, I am smarter, more experienced and wiser than you, and I have defeated you at every turn. and I have had much aid and assistance from several regulars here, both presently and during your endless tantrum in December. I am quite sure that we all have different viewpoints on faith, spirituality and the like, and yet it seems virtually unanimous that you are wrong, and nasty to boot. What a shame, your new year will suck as badly as last year for you. You are our very own Born Loser. Congratulations.


  439. barfly Says:

    "The definitions of “belief” are multiple, yet you use a narrow definition. Confirmation bias. The definitions of “doctrine” are multiple, yet you use a narrow definition. Confirmation bias. So one, and so forth."

    Comment by Moderation

    Wow, this confirmation bias sounds like a major personality flaw. Is a particular mind-set suseptable? I'm thinking those with a tendency to embrace dogma in it's many forms?


  440. Xisithrus Says:

    In early Ancient Greek, the adjective atheos (ἄθεος, from the privative ἀ- + θεός "god") meant "godless". The word began to indicate more-intentional, active godlessness in the 5th century BCE, acquiring definitions of "severing relations with the gods" or "denying the gods, ungodly" instead of the earlier meaning of ἀσεβής (asebēs) or "impious".


  441. barfly Says:

    Until then, my FOUR defintions, to your NONE, trump every time.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE

    Except for Webster's, which says disbelief.

    You keep missing that one.

    Cognitive bias.


  442. Sabyen91 Says:

    "When you can provide ONE dictionary that states atheism is NOT a belief, then Ill listen.

    Until then, my FOUR defintions, to your NONE, trump every time."

    So, you are just going to ignore the Merriam-Webster definition you didn't like. I am not surprised. You always did remind me of a Rush listening tool.


  443. barfly Says:

    Unless you're now arguing that "disbelief means belief," that is.

    That would be crazy, Bart.


  444. Xisithrus Says:

    I posted this earlier bart.

    early Ancient Greek, the adjective atheos (ἄθεος, from the privative ἀ- + θεός "god") meant "godless". The word began to indicate more-intentional, active godlessness in the 5th century BCE, acquiring definitions of "severing relations with the gods" or "denying the gods, ungodly" instead of the earlier meaning of ἀσεβής (asebēs) or "impious"

    Clearly the word means denial.


  445. Sabyen91 Says:

    "You keep missing that one.

    Cognitive bias."

    Or conscious denial. Either way.


  446. Lefty Patriot Says:

    American Heritage Dict:

    disbelief in or DENIAL OF...

    Princeton:

    a lack of belief in...

    American Heritage New Dict.:

    denial that there is...

    that's me googlimg your source, bart. you're done, finished, ruined. Like I said, dictionaries are your Achilles heel, besides your own obdurate stupidity and stubbornness. You have no game, boy. very weak. Everybody here has trashed you, you've been shut out.


  447. Xisithrus Says:

    Bart, you cant take part in a debate then declare victory.

    Atheism either means one is pious or impious.


  448. Xisithrus Says:

    I meant atheism means impious, not pious.


  449. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Thus, when the dictionary states atheism IS a belief, no other interpretation can be interpreted as it being NOT a belief.

    The one defintion, excludes the other."

    Uhh, doesn't the non-belief description exclude the belief interpretation? You show your bias.


  450. Moderation Says:

    Wow, this confirmation bias sounds like a major personality flaw. Is a particular mind-set suseptable? I’m thinking those with a tendency to embrace dogma in it’s many forms?

    Comment by barfly — January 2, 2008 @ 2:31 am

    As a matter of fact, confirmation bias is quite strongly present in those with stronger religious OR ideological beliefs. It is also one of the common traits of authoritarians. Moreover, people with such strong beliefs can actually see evidence against their beliefs as evidence FOR their beliefs, because they paradoxically see any evidence against their stance as weaker than that supporting their stance, and such "weak" (in their mind) evidence actually reinforces their "strong" evidence.


  451. Lefty Patriot Says:

    bart has been run off the field, destroyed, trashed, humiliated and stomped. the second he relied on cherry-picking definitions and editions of dictionaries, it was over. Imagine, relying on a dictionary for a discussion like this. How childish, no wonder he lost so completely. Probably scarred for life; such a big, empty ego will be deeply traumatized.


  452. barfly Says:

    "The one defintion, excludes the other."

    Comment by BARTLEBEE

    Now that's definitely crazy talk.

    I provided a Websters' definition that said "disbelief" in the very first definition - not the second, which an illiterate might mistake - but the very first definition. Try and spin that, Bart. What dictionary places the opposite meaning first?

    Get real.


  453. Lefty Patriot Says:

    All they have is a belief. When they prove it, then they’ll have a fact based system, but not until.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 2:41 am

    Being wrong 1300 times will never make you right. and you are still wrong.


  454. Xisithrus Says:

    I don’t argue against that. In fact, I argue FOR that. Thats what I’ve been saying all along. -Bart

    Actually, you have been posting what the dictionary says, and not what you think. IE arguing with the dictionary.


  455. Sabyen91 Says:

    MSN Encarta dictionary "unbeliever in God or deities: somebody who does not believe in God or deities"

    dictionary.com "—Synonyms Atheist, agnostic, infidel, skeptic refer to persons not inclined toward religious belief or a particular form of religious belief"

    Want some more, moron?


  456. Xisithrus Says:

    I dont much care what the dictionary says bart, just say what you think, and I will accept your opinion and respect it even though I may not agree with it. =)


  457. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Want some more, moron?

    Comment by Sabyen91 — January 2, 2008 @ 2:44 am

    it matters not, Sabyen91, bart is not interested in facts or proof, just his own self-aggrandizement. He psyche is fragile, his mind is weak, he misuses his intellect because he has had much rejection in his life, and must be the "top dog' at all times, in every situation, no matter how many potential friends or allies he alienates. Character flaws would be a kind description of his situation.


  458. Sabyen91 Says:

    "They cannot PROVE this denial. They cannot prove these religions false, or that god does not exist.

    All they have is a belief. When they prove it, then they’ll have a fact based system, but not until."

    Actually, until you can disprove the existence of pink unicorns you are nothing but waffling little girl.


  459. barfly Says:

    Comment by Moderation

    Now I see the reason for all the kneeling: dizzyness.


  460. Xisithrus Says:

    I think all numbers, as PI, are infinite.


  461. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Once the dictionary defined, ATHEISM is a BELIEF, the argument was over.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 2:45 am

    Once the same dictionary stated "atheism is the denial of the existence of god", you lost. the argument was indeed over, and you were on the losing end, because of your absolutist, doctrinaire, dogmatic, blind stubbornness. Just a little wiggle room would have left you with a victory of sorts, but you had to insist that every non-believer was an Atheist by your CHOSEN definition. as a result, you lost, and destroyed your credibility in the process.

    You're a lousy, weak debater.


  462. Xisithrus Says:

    I “think”, that atheism, like religion, is a BELIEF SYSTEM.

    Fine, thats your opinion. =)


  463. Xisithrus Says:

    All that exists is atoms and empty space; the rest is but opinion -Democritus of Abdera


  464. Sabyen91 Says:

    "In Base 10 Mathematics for example, working with positive numbers, 2 plus 2 equals 4.

    Thus the expression of 2+2 equaling 4, excludes the expression that 2+2 equals 5.

    The expression of 2+2 equaling 4, exludes any other expressions of the sum.

    Once you’ve established the fact, the opposing has thus been excluded."

    Are you that ignorant? You just proved my point. You can NEVER prove what 2+2 equals in this equation. You have never proved that god exist nor have you proved that atheism is a belief (though I am not sure what that would gain you.)


  465. Lefty Patriot Says:

    They serve better food and are more prone to lending one money.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 2:51 am

    another lie you can't substantiate; another cheap slur; another display of your clear bigotry an fear of the security of non-believers. you grow ever more pathetic and desperate, as you flail to keep from drowning in your own lies and bullshit. it's too late for you, you're all done, a laughingstock.


  466. Xisithrus Says:

    Without the theists, you A-theists wouldn’t even exist. -Bart

    Define existence.


  467. barfly Says:

    Goodnight all, and thank you, Websters, for deflating another windbag.

    Too bad Bart.


  468. MCMetal Says:

    Without the theists, you A-theists wouldn’t even exist.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 2:53 am

    And without begging . pleading , lots of alcohol and in-breeding , nor would you ........


  469. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Oh, I’m sorry. I wasn’t aware there were billions of people and thousands of years of documentation, testimonias and supportive archeological evidence to support the idea of “pink unicorns”."

    Billions of people and thousands of years of documentation? AND supportive archeological evidence??? Is that supposed to be funny? Really. Serious question. Are you a comedian?


  470. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Without the theists, you A-theists wouldn’t even exist.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 2:53 am

    I see you're still striving to reach absolute bottom. I would never have imagined that you had posession of that much personal stupidity.


  471. Wayne Says:

    Without the theists, you A-theists wouldn’t even exist.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 2:53 am

    No, without theists, we humans would not be so hindered and would be able to get on with the betterment of mankind, our environment as we learn more about our world and the universe. Reality.


  472. Moderation Says:

    But given the two, I’ll take the relgionists. They serve better food and are more prone to lending one money.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 2:51 am

    The irony of that statement is no doubt utterly lost on you.


  473. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Without the theists, you A-theists wouldn’t even exist. -Bart

    Define existence."

    I have to agree with Gump, here, this time. If it weren't for unicornists, A-unicornists wouldn't exist.


  474. Lefty Patriot Says:

    I’d love to learn your atheist math system sometime though.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 2:57 am

    how? You're clearly incapable of learning anything, and yet you claim to know so much. what a great bullshitter you would be if you weren't so invested in your own faux superiority.


  475. Shayne Says:

    And Bart will go to bed tonight believing he has won this argument. Most everybody else will see this as a case of self-aggrandizement. Either way there's got to be a better way to make a living Bart. Unles you feel yourself deserving of the disdain of others. In which case you should get professional help.


  476. Moderation Says:

    Without the theists, you A-theists wouldn’t even exist.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 2:53 am

    Nonsense. The first homo sapiens were atheists. They had, literally, no concept whatsoever of deity. That took tens of thousands of years to culturally evolve. Atheism existed before theism, and atheism will exist long after every religion that exists on Earth right now has long since passed from human memory.


  477. Sabyen91 Says:

    And that is the point above all, without theists there wouldn't be atheists. He hits on it without even knowing it. Without morons we wouldn't know what genious is. Without people that believe in the craziest crap imaginable we wouldn't know we are sane.


  478. Sabyen91 Says:

    "I didn’t expect anyone as fanatical and warped as an atheist to be educated in these matters."

    After the past few hours I wouldn't expect you to use your mind at all. You have not disappointed me.


  479. Xisithrus Says:

    Bart, mankind came before these religions you name. Thought came before these religions.

    You are putting religion before man.


  480. Shayne Says:

    Are you that ignorant? You just proved my point. You can NEVER prove what 2+2 equals in this equation.

    Comment by Sabyen91 — January 2, 2008 @ 2:55 am

    :\

    Really?

    Perhaps you should put aside the calculator for a while, and switch to something more suited to your mathematical skills.

    Like an abacus.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 2:56 am

    Gee Bart is there a point big enough so that even you can't miss it. What's your code Bart, always wrong but never in doubt?


  481. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Try doing a google search on the number of Christians in the world.

    Then do a google search on the number of Muslims.

    Then Jews.

    Then all the other relgions.

    Then, buy a really big abacus, and come back when you have a sum total."

    Uhh, ok, lets rewind the clock a bit, before the Reformation and a whole lot of dead pagans. Ever heard of lions, Christ-boy?


  482. MCMetal Says:

    I didn’t expect anyone as fanatical and warped as an atheist to be educated in these matters.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 3:00 am


    Hmmm , how many atheists have killed others in the name of a being who claims it isn't correct to kill another ?
    How many atheists have killed others because others didn't readily accept/adopt becoming atheists themselves ?

    Your own "education" in these matters resembles a pre-K drop-out.....


  483. Moderation Says:

    Billions of people and thousands of years of documentation? AND supportive archeological evidence??? Is that supposed to be funny? Really. Serious question. Are you a comedian?

    Comment by Sabyen91 — January 2, 2008 @ 2:57 am

    Apparently, billions of people and thousands of years worth of contradictory beliefs that exhibit enormous amounts of cultural, confirmation and other forms of bias, is proof that beyond all of those contradictions, SOME of those contradictory assertions with zero evidence MUST be right, because they cannot be proven WRONG.

    Also, apparently, a 100% LACK of ANY contemporary writings about an individual is sufficient evidence that said individual exists (the earliest documentation of Yeshua/Jesus is 20+ years after his DEATH, and that is supposed to be trustworthy?), according to a great many theists.


  484. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Try doing a google search on the number of Christians in the world.

    Then do a google search on the number of Muslims.

    Then Jews.

    Then all the other relgions.

    Then, buy a really big abacus, and come back when you have a sum total.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 3:00 am

    That merely explains why ignorance, intolerance and hatred are still so absolutely prevalent among humans; most humans are not evolved enough to have rejected the religious indoctrination society depends on for control of the populace. You're awfully ignorant of history if you haven't learned that yet. and yet, with the billions and billions served, not a trace, nor an iota of proof. No evidence, no scientific backing. None. Zero. I accept what the facts and science has shown me, and you need me to prove the nonexistence of the clearly non-existent? You're either crazy or stupid, and I'm neither. As always, you lose.


  485. Wayne Says:

    It certainly is a rich and fascinating belief system you atheists have created there.
    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 2:58 am

    Science is fascinating. There is a lot of mystery in the real world by itself, not even glancing at the rest of the universe, from there it becomes astounding.

    The evidence so far shows reality is very fascinating indeed.

    Even without the proof of the existence of a sky god that supposedly originated with primitive nomadic tribes one day started off making blood sacrifices to it. =)

    .


  486. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Also, apparently, a 100% LACK of ANY contemporary writings about an individual is sufficient evidence that said individual exists (the earliest documentation of Yeshua/Jesus is 20+ years after his DEATH, and that is supposed to be trustworthy?), according to a great many theists."

    I am still waiting for one shred of archaelogical evidence of god. Somehow, I don't think Barty will be forthcoming with that answer.


  487. Moderation Says:

    Try doing a google search on the number of Christians in the world.

    Then do a google search on the number of Muslims.

    Then Jews.

    Then all the other relgions.

    Then, buy a really big abacus, and come back when you have a sum total.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 3:00 am

    But whatever you do, you absolutely must NOT look to see the trending of decline or increase of belief in deity in advanced civilizations. You absolutely must NOT look at all of the evidence pointing to consistent decrease in theistic belief as a society's knowledge increase, and the consistent increase in theistic belief as a society's knowledge decreases. Seriously. Stop looking at that stuff.


  488. Sabyen91 Says:

    "What “facts” has science shown you that proves a god or gods does not exist?"

    Oh, you actually think it is our responsibility to prove the existence of god!!! That is precious. That is up to your theologists. See, buddy, there is no evidence of god...therefore, we don't believe in god. Get it?


  489. Shayne Says:

    It's interesting to watch posters come here giving Bart the benefit of the doubt and how quickly they turn against him. If he was equipped with the brilliance he believess himself to have perhaps he could convince SOMEBODY to side with him. But alas he's all alone with his delusions.


  490. Sabyen91 Says:

    What proof do you have that Thor, Zeus, Isis, and Coyote don't exist?


  491. Sabyen91 Says:

    "A claim that god does not exist.

    A claim you cannot prove."

    Are you as stupid as you seem? You, by virtue of your belief in god, are making a claim that god exists. It is up to you to prove it.


  492. MCMetal Says:

    I accept what the facts and science has shown me,

    Comment by Lefty Patriot — January 2, 2008 @ 3:07 am

    Really?

    What “facts” has science shown you that proves a god or gods does not exist?

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 3:09 am


    That pregnancy doesn't occur with an "immaculate conception".....


  493. Lefty Patriot Says:

    And the fact is the atheists I have met in here, and elsewhere, invariably are a foul, ignorant lot of closed minded bigots, who attack like rabid wolfpacks whenever their little belief system is challenged.

    They force their beliefs down peoples throats like the most fanatical evangelicals out there, and yet they have no more proof than the religionist of their claims.

    The fact is, theres a LOT of us out here that think you’re BOTH nuts, and are sick of hearing what you think you know as facts to be shoved down our throats.

    I don’t know if there is a god. I don’t know if there isn’t. I know theres billions of people who will tell me there is.

    And theres a few million who tell will me there isn’t.

    For those of us who admit we don’t know one way or the other, the two of you are like rabid loons, at each others throats, and trying to drag the rest of us to one side or the other.

    You're a liar, a sociopathic liar, in fact. Nobody attacked you for questioning their belief system, you were attacked for insulting a group as "fanatics", you were attacked for equivocating non-believers with the faithful, and nobody has shoved anything down your throat except your own lies and misconceptions. Your cowardly fence-sitting is hardly a defense of your own belief system, which comes down to "I don't know anything, but everybody else is wrong", but nobody has tried to "drag' you either way, mainly because your such a hateful piece of shit that nobody wants you on their team. You're by far the most doctrinaire, narrow-minded fanatic anyone has ever encountered here; not even the most insane wingnut would continue a losing, ignorant argument for weeks on end, in the face of complete and absolute rejection and scorn. My 8-month-old grandaughter has more class and sense than you. At least her tantrums end, eventually. and all signs indicate that she will grow up. Can't be so sure about you.


  494. Sabyen91 Says:

    You keep quoting Spudge, Bartlebee. I have said similar things. Why are you quoting him and not me. Maybe you respect him more. That is fine. I am guessing it has more to do with the nuance. He would blast your ass for your retarded quote.


  495. MCMetal Says:

    What proof do you have that Thor, Zeus, Isis, and Coyote don’t exist?

    Comment by Sabyen91 — January 2, 2008 @ 3:14 am


    His Bible study teacher .........


  496. Wayne Says:

    What “facts” has science shown you that proves a god or gods does not exist?

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 3:09 am

    And from what evidence do YOU have that there is a god that I should disprove the existence of?

    You cannot prove a negative.


  497. Sabyen91 Says:

    Again, Bartlebee, where is the evidence. You can say that a couple billion morons say god is real (doesn't mean much when most people are idiots). Where are the thousands of years of documentations (I am talking verifyable) and what the F^ck are you talking about archaelogical proof??? Are you an ID fan?


  498. Moderation Says:

    Like most atheist fanatics, your brain can not get beyond the notion of demanding I prove god exists, or defend that belief.

    I don’t need to, since I’m not making the claim.

    YOU on the other hand, ARE making a claim.

    A claim that god does not exist.

    A claim you cannot prove.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 3:13 am

    A claim atheists do not have to prove. They are not asserting anything. They are defending the negative against the assertion of a positive. I'm sorry you do not understand such a fundamental building block of logic and reason. The burden of proof always (seriously, ALWAYS!!!) rests upon the shoulders of those asserting the positive, never those asserting the negative.

    Most logical, reasoned atheists assert that, since no religion in the history of mankind has brought forth proof of the existence of ANY deity, in tens of thousands of years, that assertion must be incorrect, and unfounded in reality. You know, reality? The actual shared existence we are all a part of? The theists have a vested interest in proving that deity exists, and had they EVER found ANY such evidence, they would show it to the entire world over and over again. Atheists have NO VESTED INTEREST in disproving a concept for which there is zero evidence, but they do have a vested interest in keeping theists' beliefs out of the laws and cultural pressures that actually influence their really-real, actually exists in reality, lives.


  499. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Once again, for the perpetually braindead, I am not aware of a billions of people believing in them, nor of thousands of years of documentaton to support their existence, as well as supportive archeaological evidence."

    That is really stupid. 99%+ of Greeks believed in Zeus, Aphrodite, Athena, Ares...The percentage isn't that great for old Yahweh.


  500. Moderation Says:

    Excuse me, never those defending the negative.


  501. Lefty Patriot Says:

    A claim that god does not exist.

    A claim you cannot prove.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 3:13 am

    of course I can. I have traveled the world, and never seen hide nor hair of god. I have gone to churches and temples, I have sat with priests and ministers and rabbis. I have looked in my closets, up in the sky, down into caves, behind the couch, under the refrigerator. no god. anywhere. proof enough for me; it's not proof enough for you, because you are afraid. there is doubt in your mind, and you don't want to commit one way or another. Some people are like that because they are curious and open. You are like that because you're afraid, and are keeping your options open, just in case. Your way is the coward's way. My way needs only proof to me, since I'm not preaching or converting. I need not expend energy proving the obvious to such an ignorant, narrow-minded person as you. Why? Because, contrary to your incorrect assumptions, i'm not a Fanatic. That sobriquet is reserved for you, and you have earned it. And you insist of proving it, hour after hour.


  502. MCMetal Says:

    What proof do you have that Thor, Zeus, Isis, and Coyote don’t exist?
    Comment by Sabyen91 — January 2, 2008 @ 3:14 am

    Once again, for the perpetually braindead, I am not aware of a billions of people believing in them, nor of thousands of years of documentaton to support their existence, as well as supportive archeaological evidence.

    But if you know of a billion people who beieve in Isis, then by all means lets get the demograph on the board.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 3:17 am


    Hey brainless boy wonder

    How long did the "known world" believe the earth to be the center of the universe and/or that the world was flat ?

    How correct did they prove to be ?

    You're trying to equate the popularity of a myth/belief into that somehow being the marker that should be used to determine its accuracy and/or existence ?

    Are you retarded ?


  503. Sabyen91 Says:

    Yes, MCMetal, I do believe he is retarded which gives me a big old moral dillema. (sigh)


  504. Moderation Says:

    See how they just move the goal posts.

    Now the atheists can make claims they don’t have to prove.

    lol

    Sorry Mr Atheist, but your belief system is as fanatical and deluded as any I’ve seen.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 3:24 am

    That is not moving the goalpost. That is a fundamental concept of logic and reason. He who asserts a positive must prove it. He who defends the negative merely needs to prove that he who asserts the positive is unable to prove his assertion. That is one of the underlying principles of logical thought, and of reason.

    It is the exact reason WHY I do not have to prove that faeries do NOT exist. Rather, those asserting that faeries exist must PROVE that faeries exist. Until someone proves that faeries exist, there is no LOGICAL REASON to believe that faeries exist.

    It is simply astounding that you cannot grasp such an important concept that is one of the fundamental building blocks of reason and logic. Simply astounding.


  505. Sabyen91 Says:

    I know, dilemma.


  506. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Atheist = Evolved thought / Religious = Primitive superstition

    Comment by Buckie Boy — November 29, 2007 @ 2:30 pm

    And then, I merely RESPONDED, with a reasonable measured proportionate response.

    Atheist = Fanatical Belief System/ Religious = Same Thing

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — November 29, 2007 @ 2:42 pm

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 3:23 am

    there is no attack of any sort there, only a reasonable opinion. your response is unprincipled, unproveable, and a rank attack. You deserve every bit of the scorn and opprobrium heaped on you if that is indeed where this started. you chose to respond to a reasoned, widely accepted opinion with an attack of character assassination, using the word fanatic, which is nothing more than a cheap smear. You were instantly seen as a bigot, and you have paid the price for that ignorance and bias. I'm glad i joined in, your cheap attack needed a proper response, and you have been shown the error of your ways. What a loser you are, what a sad case.


  507. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Oh give me a break. Those beliefs did not have the associated events, occurances, etc. They were pagan like practices and rituals that were not handed down, died out thousands of years ago and do not even APPROACH the numbers of Jews, Christians Muslims etc who’ve lived over the past 6000, and 2000 years, respectively."

    What??? They did not have the associated events, occurances, etc.? At least they made f^cking sense!! Every storm was associated with them instead of every god-d^mn touchdown. By the way, what is the last 6000 years? Is that all of history? Please tell me you are a young earther.


  508. Lefty Patriot Says:

    It is simply astounding that you cannot grasp such an important concept that is one of the fundamental building blocks of reason and logic. Simply astounding.

    Comment by Moderation — January 2, 2008 @ 3:30 am

    you must be new here. bartlebee ignores all facts and concepts that don't fit his preconceived notions. he is a bully, with all the weaknesses of classic bullies. His only goal is to have everybody declare him Supreme god Of TP for all time; otherwise, we will be subjected time and again to his moronic world-class ignorance and bigotry.


  509. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Given the two, I’ll take them over you any day.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 3:33 am

    of course you will. Anything to avoid thinking instead of knee-jerk reaction.


  510. Wayne Says:

    I am merely acknowledging its existence, and your inability to disprove it.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 3:32 am

    And I acknowledge the position of a person with such a tenuous grasp of reality that has to fall to insults and illogic as a defense of his position.


  511. Sabyen91 Says:

    "I’m not defending the evidence, although the evidence you cannot disprove."

    Of course you aren't. There isn't any evidence of your god and there never will be.


  512. Lefty Patriot Says:

    In truth I’ve seldom met people of faith so ugly and ignorant in defending their precarious belief systems.

    Given the two, I’ll take them over you any day.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 3:33 am

    In truth, I've all too often met ignorant bigots whose only recourse when proven wrong is to lash out in a personal manner and avoid addressing the subject. bart is another in a long line of thoroughly useless flesh.


  513. MCMetal Says:

    Hey brainless boy wonder

    How long did the “known world” believe the earth to be the center of the universe and/or that the world was flat ?

    How correct did they prove to be ?

    Comment by MCMetal — January 2, 2008 @ 3:26 am

    Who cares dickwad?

    I’m not defending the evidence, although the evidence you cannot disprove.

    I am merely acknowledging its existence, and your inability to disprove it.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 3:32 am


    I already did disprove it , you clueless lump of shit.

    Immaculate conception is a fairy tale , not "evidence" of any type .

    Stories that are told that have partial truths in terms of factual events in them do not make them wholly viable ; they are merely there to make the stories seem acceptable.

    They are not by me ; by who , who gives a shit ?

    You're a pseudo-intellectual putz and a delusional skid mark.

    Nothing more.........


  514. Sabyen91 Says:

    "You’re an idiot lefty."

    There is the admission folks. Anybody who ever defended this a$$hole needs to apologize to every normal person...right now.


  515. Lefty Patriot Says:

    And atheism is a belief, and nothing you or the rest of you illiterate fantical lunatics is going to change that.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 3:36 am

    well, you are in the tiny minority with that belief, but it must be comfortable for such an ignorant clown as you. Even your dictionaries prove you wrong. what a joke you are.


  516. Wayne Says:

    You cannot stand it when someone challenges your beliefs.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 3:39 am

    pure projection.


  517. Sabyen91 Says:

    "What you’re trying to do is get me to defend a religion or belief system, and I’m not going to do it pete."

    Typical, you are pathetic. As soon as you feel pressure you accuse somebody of being somebody else. You disgust me, Barty.


  518. Lefty Patriot Says:

    You cannot stand it when someone challenges your beliefs.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 3:39 am

    You've never challenged an atheist's "beliefs", since facts are not beliefs. You have insulted people here, and they have chosen to not sit still for your smears and bigotry, but you certainly have not mounted any kind of a successful challenge. in fact, it's entirely possible that you've moved some people off your coward's fence and firmly into either a religious belief or a rejection of belief. That's how hateful and negative your crap is. Congratulations.


  519. MCMetal Says:

    You atheists have proved what an ignorant, deluded lot you are though.

    In truth I’ve seldom met people of faith so ugly and ignorant in defending their precarious belief systems.

    Given the two, I’ll take them over you any day.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 3:33 am


    Yeah , because "God" knows that the religious believers of the earth sure need another delusionally arrogant fool with-in their aboriginal backwater midst ..............

    The relative ease in which you attempt to dismiss others that are monumentally your intellectual superiors is kind of disturbing and pretty ludicrous on your part.


  520. Sabyen91 Says:

    "You’ve disproven nothing, other than the evidence of any offical scholarly cirriculam in your upbringing."

    You are right, you CANNOT disprove something that doesn't exist. You don't actually understand that though, do you? You think it is somehow proof that your god exists that nobody can disprove it, don't you?


  521. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Yea, and my “Tiny Minority” includes the US SUPREME COURT, FOUR DICTIONARIES, THE HUFFINGTON POST, http://www.ATHEISTS.ORG and half a dozen other atheist websites."

    LOL, those 4 dictionaries again. Why would anybody take you seriously when I, myself, gave you 3 contradictory definitions after only looking around for 5 minutes (I am sure I can find more).


  522. Sabyen91 Says:

    You are right, you CANNOT disprove something that doesn’t exist.

    Comment by Sabyen91 — January 2, 2008 @ 3:45 am

    lol., listen to the poor atheist idiot, trying desperately to insert his claim as if it were already proven.

    He hasn’t proven god does not exist, but he acts as if he has.

    Because he is a fanatical lunatic who’s belief system overpowers his judgement.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 3:47 am
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    I think everybody with a functional brain can follow this one.


  523. MCMetal Says:

    I already did disprove it , you clueless lump of shit.

    Comment by MCMouth — January 2, 2008 @ 3:39 am

    No, the clueless lump of shit was probably your father, once your mother rolled him in the ally where you inbred ass was concieved.

    As for your “disproving it”, try not to speak.

    You’ve disproven nothing, other than the evidence of any offical scholarly cirriculam in your upbringing.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 3:41 am


    I'm sorry ; the "clueless lump of shit" I spoke of earlier was actually your identical twin brother , who was crapped out of the same cesspool you sadly emerged from.

    BTW
    Being told that I'm incorrect or whatever by the likes of you is about as meaningful as Chimpy criticizing someone else as a poor public speaker ; it really is quite pointless.

    PS

    It's spelled "C-U-R-R-I-C-U-L-U-M" , you feeble-minded mental furball .........


  524. Sabyen91 Says:

    I don't expect you to understand how profoundly you f^cked that last one up, Bartleby. I was talking about those with brains that work.


  525. Wayne Says:

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 3:54 am

    Seek help.


  526. Lefty Patriot Says:

    bart, until you show me god, you're an irrelevance, a bigot, and a fool, with nothing going for you but manic energy and fanaticism. I will live out my life in the comfortable knowledge that god is man's invention, and that a god or gods may be necessary for certain people to believe in, but that it is a construct. you, in the meantime, will live in fear and loathing, and will be frustrated forever by your inability to come to terms with your sick, twisted view of humanity. I will live with the knowledge and gratefulness that I'm not you, and with the secret pleasure that you are stuck with you: a cowardly, insulting, unpleasant, dishonest malcontent. You are, in fact, proof of the non-existence of god.


  527. Sabyen91 Says:

    "His entire argument rests on disproving the dictionary."

    Try again, Barty. I was actually one of the few that agreed that atheism was a belief. But you were so much of a dick that I found a ton of dictionary definitions that disagreed. But you are such a toad you won't even admit your mistake.


  528. Sabyen91 Says:

    Lefty, or he could be proof of a sadistic god with a bad sense of humor :)


  529. Lefty Patriot Says:

    But you are such a toad you won’t even admit your mistake.

    Comment by Sabyen91 — January 2, 2008 @ 3:56 am

    he will have to write his own dictionary: "An Idiot's Guide To Moving The Goalposts". as if a dictionary definition should ever say what something is not. Like: red (adj.): a color that is not green.

    that's from bart's dickshunery.


  530. Sabyen91 Says:

    Why would you believe in a Yahweh and not a Zeus? I don't get it.


  531. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Lefty, or he could be proof of a sadistic god with a bad sense of humor :)

    Comment by Sabyen91 — January 2, 2008 @ 3:58 am

    well, I'd be more inclined to buy into that than the blonde Jewish hippy thing.


  532. Sabyen91 Says:

    You can talk about yourself in the 3rd person all you want Bartlebee. Just shows me you are going over the edge even further.


  533. Lefty Patriot Says:

    To believe BARTLEBEE, all one has to do is believe the dictionary, and that different dictionaries have different ways of saying the SAME thing.

    To believe the atheist fanatics, one has to believe that the dictionaries are all contradicting themselves, thus, making dictionaries ever more completely and utterly useless as gauges for diction and speech, and to resign them to the garbage can and the fiction shelf at the library.

    To believe the atheist fanatics, one has to accept the atheists claims which they cannot prove, as facts.

    One has to ignore the US SUPREME COURT offical records.

    One has to ignore http://www.ATHEIST.org, the LARGEST atheist affiliation in the US.

    One has to ignore Spudge and others who were not taking Bartlebee’s side, but agreed that atheism is a belief system.

    One has to ignore HUFFINGTONPOSTS author, a world renowned professor and expert in evolution, who just penned an article outlining atheism as a belief and even stealth religion.

    One has to ignore all that .

    Or, one can accept the dictionary when it says, “ATHEISM IS A BELIEF”.

    BARTLEBEE’s not inviting anyone to take his word for it.

    Its just so damned amusing that he has to ask people to take the dictionary’s word for it.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 4:00 am

    All of that is easier to reject than to accept, bart. you're a slave to convenient convention. You're a fanatic.


  534. Sabyen91 Says:

    "well, I’d be more inclined to buy into that than the blonde Jewish hippy thing."

    Never met a blonde Jew.


  535. Lefty Patriot Says:

    To believe Bartlebee, one has to accept the word of millions of mental patients the world over, 5 establishment lawyers in black robes, a couple of TP posters, and some jerkoff on Huffpost.

    Gee, I wonder why you can't sell it, bartie.


  536. Lefty Patriot Says:

    He has not shown one single defintion that states “ATHEISM IS NOT A BELIEF”.

    Not ONE.

    When he can produce one, then he can say that.

    Until then he’s just lying, because he cannot win any other way.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 4:03 am

    sorry, bart, I already trashed that childish tactic. and I posted several definitions that specifically avoided the belief and doctrine language. You're punch-drunk, or abysmally stupid. Which is it?


  537. Lefty Patriot Says:

    bart, why don't you show us a dictionary that says the definition of blue is "not yellow"? come on, you can do it. you make up weird shit all the time. give us another laugh at your expense.


  538. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Never met a blonde Jew.

    Comment by Sabyen91 — January 2, 2008 @ 4:04 am

    I was married to one.

    she wasn't god.


  539. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Like a Bushite, he talks of things as if they’ve been estabilished, or even existed, yet they have not, and do not."

    Are you joking? You talk about god as if he has been established, or even exists, yet he has not, and does not. And nobody believes you are a liberal anyway. Your common sense seems...lacking.


  540. Lefty Patriot Says:

    primitive man had no god or belief system for thousands of years, bart, so that is already established. modern man abandons god and belief systems as his knowledge of reality increases; that's also established. looks like you lose again, and again. will you ever win?


  541. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Until then he’s just lying, because he cannot win any other way."

    Win what? According to you fundies I am going to hell anyway. That's cool. I don't believe in that either.


  542. MCMetal Says:

    sorry, bart, I already trashed that childish tactic. and I posted several definitions that specifically avoided the belief and doctrine language. You’re punch-drunk, or abysmally stupid. Which is it?

    Comment by Lefty Patriot — January 2, 2008 @ 4:06 am


    Yes............

    and yes.


  543. Sabyen91 Says:

    "I was married to one.

    she wasn’t god.

    Comment by Lefty Patriot — January 2, 2008 @ 4:08 am"

    LOL, I am sorry for that.


  544. Lefty Patriot Says:

    No matter how much they lie, the fact is any doctrine or belief, that makes a claim it cannot prove remains a belief.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 4:08 am

    no matter how many times youj post this lie, it will never be truth. it will only drive home your own fanaticism. we have no need to prove the non-existence of something whose existence was never proven. any freshman logician understands that.

    will you never win?


  545. Lefty Patriot Says:

    I have now provided 4, and they’ve provided me with a 5th, that says it is, including WEBSTERS.

    Of course all thats just icing.

    webster's defines atheism as the denial of the existence of god. why do you resort to tranparent falsehoods? are you so desperate?

    will you never win?


  546. Sabyen91 Says:

    "See?

    They even admit they reject the dictionary."

    Who are you talking to? Nobody here buys your sh!t.


  547. Lefty Patriot Says:

    I keep hearing Lindsay Buckingham's solo after I post "will you never win?".

    bart, the butt of our jokes.


  548. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Their belief.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 2, 2008 @ 4:15 am

    I already proved it, bart. you haven't proven otherwise.

    will you never win?


  549. Lefty Patriot Says:

    the non-existence of god is an irrefutable fact, bart. otherwise, yo could refute it. I await your proof.

    will you never win?


  550. Sabyen91 Says:

    "When the atheists can prove their primary contention, that is that a god or gods do not exist, then they can authoritaritively claim that a god or gods do not exist."

    When the Bartlebees can prove their primary contention, that is that a unicorn or unicorns do not exist, then they can authoriaritively claim that a unicorn or unicorns do not exist.


  551. Lefty Patriot Says:

    nobody's ever been able to refute the non-existence of god, bart. it's irrefutable.

    will you never win?


  552. Lefty Patriot Says:

    come on bart, i'm presenting it as irrefutable fact. all you have to do is refute it. show me.

    "show me the way".

    wow, Frampton.


  553. Sabyen91 Says:

    "will you never win?"

    Of course he won't. That old thing called fate is so against that poor, pathetic loser. :(


  554. Lefty Patriot Says:

    that's it? you're slinking off into the night? say your prayers, little bartie.

    will you never wn?


  555. Sabyen91 Says:

    "There.

    The atheist admits it again."

    Of course he admits it. He is not half-retarded like you. If you would like to prove the existence of god you are welcome to.


  556. owlbear1 Says:

    So how many credits does this get you at Liberty Universtiy Bart?


  557. Sabyen91 Says:

    I hope you know, nobody here will ever take you seriously again, Bartlebee. I almost feel sorry for you, considering you love being here.


  558. Sabyen91 Says:

    "See?

    The atheist bipolar. Two dimensional thinking occupies his reality.

    Either you believe in god, or don’t believe in god. Thats their world.

    Believe. Disbelieve.

    :|

    Don’t know doesn’t play a role in their world.

    Like the Theists, if the A-theist doesn’t know something, he “pretends” he does."

    Ohhhhhh, now you are agnostic again!!! Grow up.


  559. Sabyen91 Says:

    Does anybody believe Mr. Dictionary is agnostic?


  560. Sabyen91 Says:

    Do you know why you are not going to be welcome at TP? It isn't whether you are Christian, agnostic, or atheist...it is your disingenous debating style. You demonize everybody that doesn't agree with everything you say. I agreed that atheism is a belief (in a way) but you weren't happy with that, you kept attacking people. I won't rest until you are gone.


  561. Sabyen91 Says:

    Buh, bye, Bartlebee. You will miss us when you are gone.


  562. Sabyen91 Says:

    Of course you did, Bartlebee. If you didn't you have nothing to worry about...right?


  563. Sabyen91 Says:

    How many regulars did you call idiots or morons, Bartlebee? Just asking.


  564. Sabyen91 Says:

    Actually, Bartlebee, I said not believing in a god is a belief, not a belief system.


  565. Sabyen91 Says:

    You say what you like, Bartlebee. If you believe you are innocent I guess you are ok. I am guessing you are not so innocent. Actually, I know you aren't. Wayne is always polite. You insulted him for no reason.


  566. Sabyen91 Says:

    Keep it up. Bartlebee. You can keep telling yourself you are a victim!!! Despite the fact that people have given you dictionary definitions that said the opposite. You ignored them and kept being an a$$hole.


  567. Sabyen91 Says:

    Bartlebee, this is no longer about atheism. I would be willing to debate it with you if you did it fairly. But you didn't. This is about you debating tactics. I am going to try to get you banned because of them. You refuse to debate, you just keep BSing with no thought. Sorry.


  568. Sabyen91 Says:

    If you are lucky they won't even notice.


  569. Sabyen91 Says:

    "Ever think that if you treat someone like a troll, they’re going to respond like one?"

    You were acting like one before I got on. I even agreed with you and you still went both barrels instead of grabbing onto someone who was agreeing with you. You could have had a decent conversation but you refused.


  570. owlbear1 Says:

    Sabyen91, Bart is looking to be called names. The dirtier the better. Get it?

    So to make Bart go away start "praising" him.

    Things like, "Wow Bart, your command of English is stunning."

    Another good one would be, "Wow Bart, yours is truly a dizzying intellect."

    Calling him names just increases his tempo...


  571. Sabyen91 Says:

    "You’re a little pu$$y who when he gets his a$$ handed to him in a debate, resorts to trying to ban the other guy.

    You prove your own defeat."

    I ate your lunch but you ignored it. That is the point. Your debating tactics were underhanded. TP may disagree with me.


  572. Merlin Says:

    The entire discussion on this thread, and the 1600+ one the other day, about atheisim, religion and fanaticism has proven nothing of any value. The topic ceased to exist for the most part.

    Do you all know how silly this really is?


  573. Sabyen91 Says:

    "But I wouldn’t bet on me being banned anytime soon for standing up to ten seperate attacks, particularly when I didn’t say anything to anyone, but your pal Pete came in and started attacking me right out of the blue, lol."

    I wasn't around for the first volley. But when I came on you were pretty ridiculous. And you ignored everybody that had a point. It is probably tough against 5+ people but you kept insisting on that dictionary thing after you had been given over 3 definitions that supported the opposite side.


  574. owlbear1 Says:

    Love how you use the definition of FAITH for BELIEF there Bart. Truly stunning juxtaposition of reality. Way to mix up the debate!


  575. Sabyen91 Says:

    Oh, and the insulting of regulars didn't help, either. Wayne is a good guy. And is one of the more mild people. Not sure what you were thinking.


  576. Sabyen91 Says:

    "So …what was your point in posting 300 comments until 5 in the morning?

    If you…er….”agree” with me?, lol"

    I don't agree with you. I agreed with you on one point (one you apparantly thought was big).