Live Iowa Caucus Updates
FINAL UPDATE: Barack Obama delivers his victory speech:
11:18 PM: Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) has also announced that he is dropping out. He received 1 percent of the delegate count in the caucuses.
10:37 PM: CNN and MSNBC are reporting that Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT) plans to drop out of the Democratic presidential race. He came in seventh place in the Iowa caucuses.
10:30 PM: MSNBC reports that “heavy turnout clogged Iowa’s 1,800 precinct caucuses.” According to the Iowa Democratic party, there were a record 218,000 caucus participants with 93.5 percent of the precincts reporting.
10:23 PM: The Clinton campaign has put out a statement:
Congratulations to Senator Obama and his campaign on their victory tonight. It’s been a hard fought race here in Iowa for the last year and all eyes now turn to New Hampshire.
Hillary is going to continue making the case that in these serious times when America faces big challenges, it will take a leader with the strength and experience to deliver real change.
This race begins tonight and ends when Democrats throughout America have their say. Our campaign was built for a marathon and we have the resources to run a national race in the weeks ahead.
10:22 PM: In a speech to supporters, Elizabeth Edwards introduced her husband as the “second place winner.” John Edwards closed his speech by saying, “Thank you for second place!”
10:00 PM: Politico’s Mike Allen offers this punditry on Fox News about John McCain, who is currently running fourth behind Huckabee, Romney, and Thompson:
Tonight is a fantastic night for John McCain. … He’s one of the biggest winners of the night. He’s now in a fantastic position. Except for Barack Obama, there’s almost no one you’d rather be tonight than John McCain.
Watch it:
“McCain, however, resisted efforts to call Romney’s loss a McCain win when reporters pressed him on what it would mean for his own fortunes in the next contest, the New Hampshire primary on Tuesday. ‘I consider it to be Gov. Huckabee’s victory,’ said McCain.”
9:42 PM: The AP surveyed Iowa caucus-goers about their ideology and found that half of those at the Democratic caucuses “described themselves as liberal, compared to 56 percent in 2004 and 49 percent in 2000.” At the Republican caucuses, nearly eight in 10 “called themselves conservative, compared to about three-quarters of voters in the last two contested GOP caucuses, in 1996 and 2000.”
9:32 PM: Fox News has called the Democratic caucuses for Obama. Edwards and Clinton are tied for second.
9:27 PM: CNN and MSNBC have called Iowa for Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL).
9:24 PM: The AP reports on Huckabee’s victory:
Romney sought to frame his defeat as something less than that, saying he had trailed Huckabee, a former Arkansas governor, by more than 20 points a few weeks ago. “I’ve been pleased that I’ve been able to make up ground and I intend to keep making up ground, not just here but across the country,” he said.
On Fox News, Huckabee strategist Ed Rollins said his candidate won because the former governor is a “populist strong candidate.”
9:16 PM: The Des Moines Register reports that heavy turnout is causing delays at many caucus sites.
9:01 PM: CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC have projected that former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee has won the Iowa caucuses. Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney just appeared on Fox News and conceded: “Congratulations for the first round to Mike, and we’ll go on to New Hampshire.” Romney added Huckabee had “a natural base” in Iowa. Watch it:
8:58 PM: CNN reports that half of the Democratic caucus-goers in Iowa are first-time participants, according to early entrance polls. Additionally, close to 60 percent are women and 80 percent are over the age of 45. Iraq ranks as the top issue. Watch it:
On the Republican side, “nearly 75 percent are over the age of 45. There are slightly more men than women.” Approximately 60 percent identify themselves as evangelical Christians. Immigration is the top issue.
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At least the Dems don’t have to have the Bush crime family and Republican corporations such as Diebold with their electronic computerized voting machines “counting” their votes in the 2008 Iowa Caucus…
Thank Mother Nature for small favors…
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:03 pmThe top Republican issue is immigration? That is just incredible. What kind of addle-pated fools are these people?
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:08 pmBingo, Obama with 34%, to Clinton and Edwards with 32%. Too close to call with 46% of precincts reporting.
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:10 pmHuckster is smashing Romney to itty bitty pieces, 35% to 24%, with McPain in fourth place with a measley 12%
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:11 pmIraq ranks as the top issue for Democrats while immigration is the top issue for Republicans. Funny how their entire ideology revolves around verbs instead of nouns.
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:12 pmWow, Ron Paul with 11% to JulieAnnie’s 4%, with 25% precincts reported.
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:13 pmMike Huckabee 14,045 31%
Mitt Romney 10,084 23%
Spend 9 million and get beat by 8%. Not a good investment.
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:16 pm#2. Comment by stonehinge
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:16 pmimmigration, gay rights and abortion are the wedge issues the repugs focus on as they have noting else. And notice how these issue never get solved, will never get solved and come up year after year.
“Additionally, close to 60 percent are women and 80 percent are over the age of 45. Iraq ranks as the top issue.”
The first two stats are killer for Obama, while the last is good news. Exiting polls seem good for O, but the Dem caucus process can turn on a dime.
Repbubs? How can McCain be coming in 4th to freakin Thompson? I was having moments of hope for the Repubs based on late breaking polls that they might go with McCain for at least a strong 3rd place showing.
Go, Barack, Go!
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:20 pmThe top Republican issue is immigration? That is just incredible. What kind of addle-pated fools are these people?
Comment by stonehinge — January 3, 2008 @ 9:08 pm
The top Republican issue is, fear of, brown people and unbelievers. That’s what kind of fools they are.
And? Has anyone run a story about participation in the caucus? What’s the total number of Republicans vs. number of Democrats?
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:21 pmMcCain completely ignored this state until he flew in yesterday to sneer at a crowd.
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:22 pmBarack Obama 500 35%
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:22 pmJohn Edwards 447 31%
Hillary Clinton 444 31%
Bill Richardson 24 2%
Joe Biden 14 1%
So the repukeblicans chose Taliban.
And this is exactly the kind of crap that scares the sh.. out of all those parts of the world that are developed democracies (i.e. not theocracies).
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:27 pmHow can McCain be coming in 4th to freakin Thompson?
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 3, 2008 @ 9:20 pm
I was wondering the same exact thing myself.
It’s hard to believe…
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:27 pmWith 72% of the precincts reporting, Obama still leads 35 to 31 over both Clinton and Edwards, with Edwards a few votes ahead of Clinton.
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:30 pmfrom msnbc.
In interviews as they entered the caucuses, more than half of all the Republicans said they were either born-again or evangelical Christians, and they liked Huckabee more than any of his rivals.
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:31 pmApproximately 60 percent identify themselves as evangelical Christians.
So Hucksters win here is a non starter. If he doesn’t do well here, that would be a story.
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:31 pmConsidering Obama’s slim margin came as the result of out of state college students, this still seems like a 3 way race on the Dem side.
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:34 pmExactly, Merlin. The real story to me is the NINE million bucks Mittens burned up here to come in second by nearly double digits.
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:35 pmFor any of you who want to turn your attention to NH, here’s a great link
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:40 pmNew Hampshire Elections
So it appears so far that Edwards did well here. Especially if he hangs on to second place. His numbers from most polls placed him 3rd, although they all said it was within MOE and too close to call. That Hillary did not do better is the story here for me. Congrats to Obama who brought the youth out, it appears. That so many young people came out is very encouraging.
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:45 pmThe GOoPers are in teh mist of a hatchet fight.
Yippee!
-GSD
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:47 pmThat so many young people came out is very encouraging.
Comment by Merlin — January 3, 2008 @ 9:45 pm
It really is, Merlin.
I hope this continues into actual voter turnout.
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:48 pmhis name is huck.
huck huckabee!
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:50 pmThe bottom line is that the US Republicans are trying their darndest to turn this country into a theocratic plutocracy.
The fact that Huckabee is the winner at 36% should be a HUGE red flag to ALL Americans who care about this democracy.
We not only have the corporations to worry about but the Jesus freaks are a whole other segment of this nation that do not desire to promote the basic tenets of the Constitution. Just ask them. “God will take care of it all”
Religion is for home and temple. NOT HALLS OF POWER. And don’t kid yourself, this trend is not passing. Religion has a stranglehold and this is NOT a good thing.
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:51 pmThe fact that Huckabee is the winner at 36% should be a HUGE red flag to ALL Americans who care about this democracy.
Comment by civil behavior — January 3, 2008 @ 9:51 pm
I’d have to agree….it is just Iowa though. That is the only silver lining for the Rs…
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:57 pmSince younger voters went for Obama 5 or 6 to 1 over each of the other two major candidates, can we assume that Bush will be the last baby boomer to win the Presidency?
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:57 pmcivil / Keltoi,
Iowa is both heavily liberal and heavily evangelical, and Huckabee is both, outside of abortion.
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:58 pmThe fact that Obama won Iowa over Hillary Clinton is a cause for celebration.
:-)
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:00 pmComment by civil behavior
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:04 pmfor sure if the Huck is the nominee when all is said and done.. the dirt on him is waist high.
So far we know he has made statements that offends and degrades women, made racist comments, anti gay comments and he has an abusive son - abuses animals - hanging a dog until it died…. We know all this and we haven’t even started the race yet.
#30, Zooey,
Gave your post a recommend - anyone, anyone, anyone but Hill’reh.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:04 pmThe fact that Obama won Iowa over Hillary Clinton is a cause for celebration.
:-)
Comment by Zooey — January 3, 2008 @ 10:00 pm
Total agreement.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:06 pmThe entire field of Republican candidates is made up of poorly drawn caricatures of stereotypical nut-jobs.
I’m scared as hell that the media is covering this with a straight face.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:07 pm#24 Comment by civil behavior — January 3, 2008 @ 9:51 pm
Religion is for home and temple. NOT HALLS OF POWER. And don’t kid yourself, this trend is not passing. Religion has a stranglehold and this is NOT a good thing.
I disagree that the “trend is not passing.” I believe that the evangelical movement peaked in its strength and power at the same time as Bush’s popularity did after the 2004 election. Their star is linked to Bush and without a President who champions their cause, they shrink back to the fringe wingnuts they are. The American public, in my view, is no longer buying all their hypocritical religiosity any more than they believe that Bush is/was right on Iraq.
This does not mean we can relax our fight against their onslaughts, which are long term, and dangerous to our Democracy. It just means that soon their teeth will be removed by a trip to the dentist on Jan. 9, 2009.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:07 pm9:32 PM: Fox News has called the Democratic caucuses for Obama. Edwards and Clinton are tied for second.
9:27 PM: CNN and MSNBC have called Iowa for Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL).
wow… that must’ve taken just about ALL your energy, TP, to have typed out those 2 updates… good thing you found a way to get a link to a clinton story… and to fox!
way to go, TP… i’m very proud of you…
now, get to work on an above-board, positive and serious story about what this OBAMA victory means for the american PEOPLE… k?
thanks!
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:08 pmIf Clinton continues in third place I think it is a good indication of how the nation thinks. For months and months the press and Republicans have touted Clinton as the front runner and yet, despite the enormous sums she spent in Iowa, the voters have rejected her. I don’t think she is electable, no matter how many polls say otherwise. Talk to the man in the street and it is hard to find a Clinton supporter.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:09 pmKeeping this in perspective, New Hampshire is less than a week away and Mittens is running behind McInsane. The Huckster is going to place a distant 3rd there.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:10 pmI heard Howard Dean say that democratic turnout nearly doubled Repug turnout.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:11 pmaquarius2, Clinton is going to win big in NH next week, then we’ll see how South Carolina goes. This is a marathon, and they just came out of the blocks.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:11 pma2, BTW I’m a Kucinich/Edwards/Obama in that order supporter…
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:12 pm#34, Merlin,
To assume the religious right is tied to any political saviour like Bush is foolish. Having grown up in that culture, I understand how they think and how they vote, with ballot and pocketbook.
I do think they’ve been lazy, up until Huckabee showed up, but, if you notice, Huckabee won with a much larger margin than Obama did with only 1 months worth of growth from a standing start and NO money.
You are right to fear them - never underestimate their power and resolve.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:12 pmReligion should not be the progenitor for a new resident in the WH.
Haven’t we seen enough of that kind of hypocrisy yet?
I am absolutely scared to death if Huckabee maintains any momentum and if Obama is the opposing candidate what the institutional racism will look like when it raises it’s ugly head and America is cursed with another Bush clone for four years??
Full blooded patriots better be ready to combat the crusaders on a whole different level is this happens. Be wary folks, this could be the worst thing to happen to America yet.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:12 pmKeeping this in perspective, New Hampshire is less than a week away and Mittens is running behind McInsane. The Huckster is going to place a distant 3rd there.
Comment by RUCerious — January 3, 2008 @ 10:10 pm
As I said - a silver lining. Whoever is the next President, I’d really like them to get the age of the Earth right within 4 billion years or so.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:14 pmAlthough Rudy Guilianni may not be competitive in the primary race, I still think it was smart of him not to invest time / money in Iowa, because he would have ended up 3rd or worse, just as Hill’reh did.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:14 pmI hope the huckster wins the GOP nod. A hamster would beat him in the general election. The entire country cannot be that stupid.
And I, too, would love to see the number of people who came out. If there were like 5 republicans in each district and 1000 dems, those numbers are by far more significant.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:18 pmI am absolutely scared to death if Huckabee maintains any momentum and if Obama is the opposing candidate what the institutional racism will look like when it raises it’s ugly head and America is cursed with another Bush clone for four years??
Comment by civil behavior — January 3, 2008 @ 10:12 pm
Obama would smoke Huckabee big time in a national election. New York and Ca would be gimmes for him….I think Florida too. I doubt he’d lose a single state that Kerry won…Ohio? Not far from Illinois. I think O would crush Huck.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:18 pmNow Huckabee can have a party with Pat Robertson…ask Pat to talk to God…then play his guitar.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:20 pmIf Pat can just reveal some of what God had told him about the elections…then Huckabee will be in good shape.
#46, Keltoi,
No, having grown up in the midwest, I KNOW Obama would lose - if you need any evidence, just ask Harold Ford Jr. about his run for Senate in 2006, when Dems swept everything except his race (no pun intended).
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:21 pmI don’t understand Republicans.
All-time high deficit, Iraq in flames, housing sector in the doldrums, fears of a recession, a White House that endorses torture…. but what do they worry the most about?
Immigration.
sshheesshhh…..
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:21 pmKeltoi,
I’d like to believe that but at my age and after having lived in each corner of this US for many years residing now in Florida there still is a real problem with ignorance and racism much less the religious insanity about abortion and gay rights.
This is a serious issue. Religion has a hold and it can play a huge part in sinking what we thought was a possibility for change.
Watch carefully, beware the crusade.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:24 pm#37 Comment by civil behavior — January 3, 2008 @ 10:12 pm
I am absolutely scared to death if Huckabee maintains any momentum and if Obama is the opposing candidate what the institutional racism will look like when it raises it’s ugly head and America is cursed with another Bush clone for four years??
Relax CB. The American people are not going to vote a religious nut into the WH. I personally believe that Huck would be a disaster as the Repuke candidate. He is way way out there and the mainstream will never buy it. Better to fear someone who lies, evades and deceives well, as Bush did in 2000 with the utterly phony “compassionate conservative” meme.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:25 pmImmigration.
sshheesshhh…..
Comment by Gregor Samsa — January 3, 2008 @ 10:21 pm
Immigration is a big issue. It is a big solvable issue. McCain had a very - dare I say Progressive? - attitude toward the legislation he co-sponsored with Kennedy et al and he got hammered for it. But he says he got the message - secure the border first, then work out citizenship for those who have come here illegally. That seems reasonable to me.
Huckabee and Romney are jokes. Thompson is a joke.
Go, Barack, Go!
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:29 pmThe American people are not going to vote a religious nut into the WH.
Ah… they already did. Twice in a row!
*sheesh*
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:32 pmKeltoi,
I’d like to believe that but at my age and after having lived in each corner of this US for many years residing now in Florida there still is a real problem with ignorance and racism much less the religious insanity about abortion and gay rights.
Comment by civil behavior — January 3, 2008 @ 10:24 pm
I know you are right but a man has got to hope, right? I think it was Juan C who said he worried Obama would get shot if he won the nomination. This is also a legit fear but I just can’t base my political analysis on the lowest common denominator. I know that is weirdly idealistic….
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:33 pmTwice in a row!
Correction: Gore actually won the popular vote in 2000. But it wasn’t by much.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:33 pmThe American people will not vote an Evangelical preacher like Huckabee as a president.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:36 pmIf the Republicans nominate Huckabee…they will never have a chance. I hope I am right on this one.
The next president must work with all groups of people.
Extremism of any kind must be challenged and must be defeated.
Me too.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:37 pmI really, really, really do not think Obama has a snowball’s chance in hell of ever winning the General election, so keep on supporting him if you all want to see one of those right wing Repub creeps in the White House for another 8 years. The past 7 years have been so great for our country.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:39 pma2, BTW I’m a Kucinich/Edwards/Obama in that order supporter…
Comment by RUCerious — January 3, 2008 @ 10:12 pm
Me too.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — January 3, 2008 @ 10:37 pm
Me three. I heard that the dems had twice the turnout over Repugs which is a good sign.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:41 pmI was very disappointed that Kucinich was telling his supporters to vote for Obama in Iowa. I felt it was a card played too soon, and it probably didn’t go over very well with the people working on his campaign.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:42 pmPray for Huck to win the Republican nomination and go on to run against Anyone on the Democratic ticket. Having Huck’s brand of insanity linked to the Republican party on a nation-wide stage will surely propel Democrats to get a veto-proof majority in the Senate and strong control of the House (not to mention the White House itself).
Pray for Huck…..
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:46 pmImmigration is a big issue.
Yeah, a big made up issue, as abortion and gay rights.
Look at the history of immigration and labor in this country and you just might not think “illegal immigration” is so bad.
As our “monstrous vermin” friend says, there are much more important issues.
The GOP and their “true vermin” friends like FOX and The Weekly Standard, et. al. are so very, very good at capturing the publics attention, diverting the public’s attention I should say.
Repeating these phrases over and over: “illegal immigrant,” “millions of aborted children,” “gay marriage,” “activist judges,” “they hate our freedom,” etc., etc., — in all streams of the mainstream press — is how this has happened.
Fear. Boo.
Oh, and the also just plain lie alot.
P.S.
I am assuming Gregor Samsa is really Franz Kafka.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:46 pmI predicted ALL the winners!
http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/ 2008/ 01/ just-as-i-predicted-obama-wins-iowa.html#links
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:47 pmaww… huckster wants to “bring along the others”…
not turn them away (from his followers)…
my gawd… he actually is running as a theocrat…
this can’t be happening in the USA… not in the 21st century…
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:49 pmscary…
.
Republicans are batshit crazy. Huckabee? Good lord.
~Sean
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:53 pmThe most important issue now is who will Dinkin Hunter throw his support behind?
-GSD
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:56 pm– NBC’s Andrea Mitchell, on Sen. Hillary Clinton’s speech after the Iowa caucuses.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:00 pmJohn Amato: CNN just reported 212,000 Dem turnout. In 2004, it was 125,000.
more at http://www.crooksandliars.com/
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:03 pmmy gawd… he actually is running as a theocrat…
this can’t be happening in the USA… not in the 21st century…
scary…
.
Comment by katy — January 3, 2008 @ 10:49 pm
It is happening!
Huck’s the “chosen one” of the religious right. Please, Please, PLEASE! let the American public deny the theocrat at any cost.
I would prefer (gulp) Dick Cheney, a potted plant, or “The Great Satan”, as POTUS. At least Dick is driven by worldly goals. Huck is a bigger disaster, than Bush, waiting to happen.
On the Dem side, I wish we were evolved enough to elect Obama. Alas, I’m afraid that racial fear will prevent him from being elected. Edwards may be our best hope. He’s not black, he’s not a Clinton, he’s not a woman, and he’s not Bill’s wife.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:12 pmThe Iowa Post-Mortem: Five Things We Now Know:
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:12 pm1. Mitt Romney is Finished
2. John Edwards is Probably Finished
3. Huckabee’s Rise is McCain’s Resurrection
4. Hillary is Down But Not Out; Rudy is Out But Not Necessarily Down
5. Massive Democratic Turnout Bodes Well for November
I am disappointed Edwards didn’t win but at least I wouldn’t have to hold my nose to vote for Obama in the general, unlike Hillary. Hopefully, this leaves her with no momentum.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:13 pmBiden just dropped out of the race!! Obama just got another supporter i do believe!
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:14 pmPray for Huck to win the Republican nomination and go on to run against Anyone on the Democratic ticket. Having Huck’s brand of insanity linked to the Republican party on a nation-wide stage will surely propel Democrats to get a veto-proof majority in the Senate and strong control of the House (not to mention the White House itself).
Pray for Huck…..
Comment by sluggo — January 3, 2008 @ 10:46 pm
I don’t agree. Huck will get every single vote from the religious right, plus a few who want a “good Christian” in the White House.
John Amato: CNN just reported 212,000 Dem turnout. In 2004, it was 125,000
Comment by katy — January 3, 2008 @ 11:03 pm
That’s the good news. DOWN WITH THEOCRACY!!!
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:16 pmTwice in a row!
Correction: Gore actually won the popular vote in 2000. But it wasn’t by much.
Comment by mr.frazzlebottom — January 3, 2008 @ 10:33 pm
If you believe the conservative-made voting machines (why should you?), Gore won the nation by over 500,000. If you believe the exit polls (we ARE allowed to see how THEY work), Gore won Florida by about 300,000——And Kerry won the nation by about 3,000,000. It is totally impossible for the 2004 exit polls to be off by a full 3.0% as the official results claim! They were always accurate within 0.2% before 2000, 2002, & 2004.
Count me in for Kucinich/Edwards/Obama.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:20 pmCount me in for Kucinich/Edwards/Obama.
Comment by Keith — January 3, 2008 @ 11:20 pm
Count me in for anyone who doesn’t have an (R) after their name.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:22 pmGOP is probably not going to release the number that turned out. It would be a huge embarrassment to have less than half that. God I love embarrassing the GOP.
I doubt there is any way Huckabee could win the general election. I think we would have the largest turnout in history if a loon like that showed he had a chance. Even the dumbest amongst us aren’t that dumb or that gullible. The earth is 6000 years old? C’mon! That plays well to to the hard core thumpers but the vast majority of religious people don’t believe the bible as a literal document. I cannot see that happening no matter who is opposing him; black, white or hamster. :-)
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:23 pm2. John Edwards is Probably Finished
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Comment by AngryOne — January 3, 2008 @ 11:12 pm
why do you say that???
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:23 pmThe founders of our electronic voting machine corps want a theocracy in the USA. Google it. See what comes up. Ohio Secretary of State Blackwell, in charge of elections in 2004, also had these strange religious beliefs.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:24 pmDown with IDIOCRACY!
Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 3, 2008 @ 11:21 pm
“Double plus good”.
I would vote for “The Tick” against any Republican.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:24 pmEdwards ain’t finished. Looks like he just gained some big MO.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:28 pmI doubt there is any way Huckabee could win the general election. I think we would have the largest turnout in history if a loon like that showed he had a chance. Even the dumbest amongst us aren’t that dumb or that gullible. The earth is 6000 years old? C’mon! That plays well to to the hard core thumpers but the vast majority of religious people don’t believe the bible as a literal document. I cannot see that happening no matter who is opposing him; black, white or hamster. :-)
Comment by Ms_Joanne — January 3, 2008 @ 11:23 pm
I wish I could agree. But I can’t make myself ignore the power of “The Message”.
I would feel more comfortable with a Mormon or a fallen Catholic on the opposing ticket.
On the other hand; I hope you’re right. I really hope that ANY Rethug is unelectable.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:29 pmCount me in for Kucinich/Edwards/Obama.
Comment by Keith — January 3, 2008 @ 11:20 pm
Same. Though Ron Paul is my first choice, in all reality, I highly doubt he’ll get the nomination. In which case, Obama/Edwards all the way. I truly despise Hillary.
~Sean
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:30 pmBiden and Obama - Yeah, good luck Repubs. Integrety is coming back to America.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:32 pmIts all the damn breeding.
If they’d just stop all the breeding.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 3, 2008 @ 11:28 pm
Thanx BART. ROTFL!
Now. If we could design a virus, which only attacks Evangelicons, the world wold be a better place.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:33 pmAdd me to the Kucinich/Edwards/Obama list.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:34 pmdo you all comprehend what has happened tonight?
very historic night indeed… and delivered from lily-white iowa…
a black man has won a big contest in the quest for president…
i am so proud… finally…
thank you, iowa.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:36 pmAdd me to the Kucinich/Edwards/Obama list.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — January 3, 2008 @ 11:34 pm
That was my list, but with Dodd after Kucinich.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:36 pmNearly moved to tears by Obama’s speech. Powerful and reminiscent of Bobby Kennedy, he really makes me believe in America again when he gets going like he just did. We have a long way to go, but at this moment I feel comfortable about a future for my 3 grandchildren. A future the past 8 years seemed to make impossible. I am proud of the dems tonight - congratulations to them all.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:38 pmComment by BARTLEBEE — January 3, 2008 @ 11:33 pm
In polls of all registered voters about two weeks ago, Edwards was the only one who win in all two-way matchups. He beat Huckabee by about 60%-35%. Of course, winning the Dem nomination is a different story because it does not include the independents and disgruntled Repubs of those polls.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:39 pm“Nearly moved to tears by Obama’s speech. Powerful and reminiscent of Bobby Kennedy, he really makes me believe in America again when he gets going like he just did. We have a long way to go, but at this moment I feel comfortable about a future for my 3 grandchildren. A future the past 8 years seemed to make impossible. I am proud of the dems tonight - congratulations to them all.”
I couldn’t agree more. Obama truly seems like someone capable of restoring people’s faith in America. Passion and honesty and from a politician, no less.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:41 pmI, too, felt emotional during Obama’s speech. I think his voice trembled once or twice as well. He IS the candidate of hope, and at this point, we need hope that things can improve for us.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:44 pmComment by Wayne — January 3, 2008 @ 11:36 pm
I have a lot of respect for Dodd. However, I think that most Americans are looking for someone who would be a catalyst for change, and Obama seems to offer more hope than Dodd.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:46 pmBesides in his speeches, what hope is Obama offering? Not being a jerk. I just haven’t seen it. What is the fascination with him other than being a great speaker?
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:46 pmI hear you, Katy.
Despite the media salvating over the Hillary bashing, it was history in the making to have Obama win in a predominating white area. That certainly sent a message to other states that Iowa is not afraid of change. But, February will be the month of make and break for all candidates.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:47 pmObama is much more than a great speaker. After hurricane Katrina, long before anyone knew about Obama, he was there acting as a negotiator, arbitrator and trying to get things accomplished without placing blame or pointing fingers. I was exceptionally impressed reading about him (and he’s from my own state and I barely knew him before that).
Obama has alot to offer. I like Edwards myself but Obama would definitely have my comfortable vote. HRC would get my vote but I can’t say she’s my first choice.
That said…hampster and all. Anything but a gooper!!
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:49 pmBiden and Dodd announced that they have ended their campaigns tonight. Richardson to continue.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:50 pmAdd me to the Kucinich/Edwards/Obama list.
My choices exactly!
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:52 pm“Well the honesty may be accurate, but I’ve yet to see the passion.”
Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 3
Just wait for his “they said this day would never come” speech to be shown worldwide and then tell me he doesnt have passion.
It was a inspiring moment that will dominate an uninspired contest.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:56 pmObama seems to offer more hope than Dodd.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — January 3, 2008 @ 11:46 pm
I wish Obama would come out and state that he will restore rule of law and the Constitution, like Kucinich and Dodd have stated.
I am utterly astounded that such an ignorant bigot as the Huckster got the Repuke win.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:56 pmMy prediction of them nominating a potted plant just may come true.
Tonight is a fantastic night for John McCain.
BWAHAHAHAHHAH~!~
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:57 pmEven the dumbest amongst us aren’t that dumb or that gullible.
Comment by Ms_Joanne — January 3, 2008 @ 11:23 pm
I wouldn’t be so generous.
After all, there are people out there who voted for Bush. Twice. And still support him to this day, failed policies and all. Of course, if you ask them, the US economy is roaring, Bush critics are the “loony fringe”, Iraqis have been liberated and their country is a success story, etc.
So, yes, the dumbest among us are that dumb, and then some…
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:57 pmNow somebody tell me what the hell this all means.
Why Iowa? What is that state so important? What are they deciding?
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:58 pmMs. Joanne, I guess I just don’t trust him yet. He seems to be running to the center. I am sick of seeing that as it never works. It seems to be calculating and underhanded as well. Obama’s voting record is pretty good but that is not enough. If the voters are not ready for a progressive populist by now they never will be and we might as well pack it in. If he would talk about things (actual policies) that progressives care about I would enthusiastically vote for him.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:59 pmMy problem with Obama is that I don’t sense the real “out front leadership” quality I see in Russ Finegold for instance. I hope that if he wins, this is no more than an appearance designed to win the nomination. (I.e. not sticking your neck out so that others can easily cut your head off. Like MSM pundits for instance.) That would mean that once he becomes the Dem candidate, he could “grow” into the job. Edwards has shown the most leadership and risk taking of the 3 of them.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:01 amahh, Candyce @ 11:38 pm - you’ve conjured up my worst fear…
the biggest reason i hoped for a 2nd place for obama (behind edwards)
was to avoid that awful fate of RFK… i feel that after 4-8 years as VP,
the people will have gotten used to it and allowed racial fears to subside
enough to allow him his own 2 terms as president…
i’m sure i’m not alone…
January 4th, 2008 at 12:02 amWhy Iowa? What is that state so important? What are they deciding?
Comment by Juan C. — January 3, 2008 @ 11:58 pm
Momentum is a funny thing, Juan. It seems to take on a self fulfilling prophecy sort of thing. First out of the blocks in the race. And Americans are notorious band wagoneers…
January 4th, 2008 at 12:02 amMerlin, nobody compares to Feingold, whom I have the pleasure of voting for every 6 years (except the late great Paul Wellstone). My hope is Obama will be that type of leader once in power. So far, I haven’t seen it and his campaign hasn’t shown that they are going in that direction. Until I see that kind of moxy I am for Edwards, as well.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:04 amWhy Iowa? What is that state so important? What are they deciding?
Comment by Juan C. — January 3, 2008 @ 11:58 pm
Juan, these primaries are like the eliminations on beauty contests — narrows the field of contestants before the nominations.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:04 amWhy Iowa? What is that state so important? What are they deciding?
Comment by Juan C. — January 3, 2008 @ 11:58 pm
I have no idea.
Maybe they want to see how much corn whiskey the farmers have been making/drinking maybe?
/shrug
January 4th, 2008 at 12:06 amBesides in his speeches, what hope is Obama offering? Not being a jerk. I just haven’t seen it. What is the fascination with him other than being a great speaker?
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 3, 2008 @ 11:46 pm
After eight years of Bushspeak, the prospect of having a President who can string together nouns and verbs and even adjectives coherently is unbelievably uplifting.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:08 am#98 Comment by RUCerious — January 3, 2008 @ 11:57 pm
Tonight is a fantastic night for John McCain.
BWAHAHAHAHHAH~!~
Yes, the corporate bought pundits like Chris Matthews and that idiot over at the National Review are crowing over McCain! What a joke the punditocracy is!
January 4th, 2008 at 12:08 amRomney and his sons can go straight to hell. For this individual to continue the status quo in Iraq and neither hisself nor his sons serve in the arm forces tells me they are COWARDS.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:09 amComment by Ms_Joanne
January 4th, 2008 at 12:09 amI also heard on talk radio, from a caller, Obama, in his earlier years went to work to help the poor in Chicago rather than going for the big bucks for himself. That type of true integrity speaks volumes for me.
I wish Obama would come out and state that he will restore rule of law and the Constitution, like Kucinich and Dodd have stated.
Comment by Wayne — January 3, 2008 @ 11:56 pm
I agree. He needs to address this incredibly important issue, especially since Kucinich (the “Constitution” candidate) supposedly had his caucus supporters switch to Obama.
Goodnight, Wayne and everyone. It’s been a long night, but a pretty good one all in all, I think.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:09 amRU, you have to remember Juan is not from the US. Juan, the answer to why Iowa is so important is…it is the first caucus :) That is it. And public opinion is like a flag in the wind…or the people are sheep, I guess. Iowa holds very little real power, but if somebody wins the first state then I guess a lot of people feel they should vote that way. Here is a little history.
http://www.uiowa.edu/election/history/index.html
January 4th, 2008 at 12:09 am“I know this of course won’t help improve my popularity, lol, but thats how I feel.”
Well, I fully agree.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:10 amObama just seems to be a nice guy to me. And being a nice guy may be enough to get him elected, but I don’t think it’ll be enough to get us out of this hole Bush put us in.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 4, 2008 @ 12:05 am
No, but it could help him put together a very competent - and perhaps even bipartisan - cabinet that could really help get us out of the hole.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:11 am“After eight years of Bushspeak, the prospect of having a President who can string together nouns and verbs and even adjectives coherently is unbelievably uplifting.”
All of the Democratic candidates are well-spoken and not prone to putting food on their families.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:12 amComment by Sabyen91 — January 4, 2008 @ 12:04 am
Merlin, nobody compares to Feingold, whom I have the pleasure of voting for every 6 years (except the late great Paul Wellstone).
I agree on Wellstone as well! A tragedy he is not with us. How lucky you are to have them in your area. I live in LA. We suffer the likes of Raygun and Ahnold.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:12 amI am utterly astounded that such an ignorant bigot as the Huckster got the Repuke win.
My prediction of them nominating a potted plant just may come true.
Comment by Wayne — January 3, 2008 @ 11:56 pm
What?
The Republicans are defined by the “ignorant bigots” who rule. “Ignorant bigotry” is their platform. Haven’t you been paying attention?
January 4th, 2008 at 12:13 amThe world knows and loves her.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
(Sorry, bud, for this)
Gosh, how I hate these comments. I know US citizens have a strong Americacentrism developed and that’s fine by me, I couldn’t care less about which country is the best and that nonesense, but “the world loves her”???
Do you love Felipe Calderón, Cristina Fernández, Ortega, Zapatero or the Netherlands’ King? I guess you don’t. Just like we don’t love her or any one of your presidents, what do you think Presidents have that they should be loved, anyway? They are politicians that take your money in order to perpetuate themselves and their whole elite circle in power.
Some are moderates that throw some good laws and policies, some are a freaking disgrace and some go unnoticed, but they all get rich there, or after they leave they go around the world earning loads of money for a two-hour crappy conference on how they invented rainbows.
Love her? I tell you something, I think she is going to win, becuz the ruling class needs to appease the people, give them some “alternatives” so people think they live in a democracy.
But, we, the world, couldn’t care less, until she begins bombing another country, which I’m sure she will do, or whatever guy gets to the Presidency. US has an economy based on weaponry and chemicals and bio stuff that need to be sold. If there are no wars, there is no business. Like Russia.
Sorry for the rant, everybody.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:14 amI know this of course won’t help improve my popularity, lol, but thats how I feel.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 4, 2008 @ 12:06 am
It was a well-thought-out and thought-provoking comment. Just a tad sobering.
‘Night, Bartlebee :)
January 4th, 2008 at 12:15 amGregor, Bush 2000 lied himself to the presidency. He came across as a moderate conservative which he is anything but. He lied and pandered (which I caught during the first primary - why no one else did [THANKS MSM], I don’t know. I loathed him from early on because I caught him doing a 180 during two speeches in a two week period.) He also had help from the bro with voter caging, butterfly ballots, and other chicanery. Gore didn’t exactly fire people up and everyone was tired of hearing about democratic blow jobs. Bush 2004 had the swiftboaters and Diebold.
The 25%ers will follow the GOP over the cliff like lemmings (and I will be happy to wave goodbye forever to the Greedy Old People’s party) because they fall into several groups: The ultra wealthy, the ultra wealthy wannabees, and the hicks that can’t read and only watch FOX (and, ironically, vote against themselves at every turn). Oh, don’t forget those darned BROWN icky people crossing our borders which apparently freaks them out beyond words.
Sabyen91, I think Obama is doing a good job of playing the game. It’s unfortunate that we have to play the game (watch Jon Stewart take on Fulffball over that one on YouTube…it rocks!!), but it is what it is.
And last but certainly not least, Bart, you’re right. We need alot of help in doing something to improve America in many ways. Our next president and other elected officials are going to go through one heck of a bumpy ride. I don’t know if this is fixable in my lifetime let alone four crummy years, and alot is needed. I don’t like HRC because she is too corporatist for me. She’s as bought and paid for as many others. Can she accomplish? Yes, I think she can, but at what cost to us - to the average real person? I just don’t have the confidence that she will turn around the FDA, EPA, and other regulatory agencies like we need to do, give up the massive amounts of power that Bush leaves behind, and do something to take power from those ultra rich people. Money talks…and I think she’s too, well, paid for.
I have one question I would like to ask all the dems: Are they willing and will they do away with all the house directives and signing statements that Bush signed? I don’t want ANY president to have that kind of power.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:15 amJuan, I think Bartlebee may be wrong about her popularity but I do believe Bill was one of the most popular presidents in the last 50 years among other countries. I don’t think that translates to her (head of the young Republican’s Club) but I think he probably feels some of his popularity would rub off on her.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:17 am‘“I know this of course won’t help improve my popularity, lol, but thats how I feel.â€
Well, I fully agree.’
That wasn’t a shot. I agree with your previous sentiment.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:19 am“I think President Hilary would heal our international image practically overnight.”
No one else finds her a tad irritating?
January 4th, 2008 at 12:19 amComment by Juan C. — January 3, 2008 @ 11:58 pm
It’s part of the process in picking the presidential candidates for both parties. For a reason I don’t fully understand, the Iowa caucus gets a lot of media attention.
The wikipedia has an entry on it.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:20 am“I agree on Wellstone as well! A tragedy he is not with us. How lucky you are to have them in your area. I live in LA. We suffer the likes of Raygun and Ahnold.”
Boxer is good…you might want to think about replacing Feinstein, though!
January 4th, 2008 at 12:20 amBerto, irritating is a vast improvement over incompetent!!
January 4th, 2008 at 12:21 amThank you, Zoo, RU and Gregor.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:21 amComment by Juan C. — January 4, 2008 @ 12:14 am
Certainly our media would report Hillary, or any president or first lady, as being well-loved. Even if it’s not true at all. They would find that one guy on the street wearing a Hillary t-shirt, and interview him.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:22 amSurely Guiliani is going to drop out of the race after this poor showing. Right?
January 4th, 2008 at 12:22 amCould you imagine what a great change it would be to see Obama’s wife in as first lady as compared to what we have now? She would not put up with the crap and phony appearances.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:23 amShe would not put up with the crap and phony appearances.
Comment by had enough — January 4, 2008 @ 12:23 am
And Obama would actually be able to answer questions during a townhall-type meeting, without having a hand-picked audience and scripted questions!
January 4th, 2008 at 12:25 am“Sabyen91, I think Obama is doing a good job of playing the game. It’s unfortunate that we have to play the game (watch Jon Stewart take on Fulffball over that one on YouTube…it rocks!!), but it is what it is.”
I totally disagree. I don’t believe anybody needs to play that game unless they want to lose. The Beltway boys have been playing the game for the past 8 years…they are defeatist and wrong. Carville and company need to retire. The last Dem president ran to the left (and governed in the center, unfortunately). Actually I don’t think any Dem president has ever won by tacking right. It is a defeat waiting to happen.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:25 amZooey, NO $HIT!
Golly, just think…REAL questions with REAL intelligible answers! Whodathunkit!
January 4th, 2008 at 12:26 am“Could you imagine what a great change it would be to see Obama’s wife in as first lady as compared to what we have now? She would not put up with the crap and phony appearances.”
Actually I would like Kucinich’s wife on TV for the next 8 years :)
January 4th, 2008 at 12:27 amI’ve said it before and I say it now: Hillary might be the most capable. She has the “three big B’s”: balls, brains, and backing.
I don’t like her. I don’t trust her. But, she might be the best choice. Though, it’s hard to look past her “connections”.
If Obama didn’t present such a big target for bigots, I would probably give him my support. I still think Edwards is the best bet against the field. So far his biggest negative is “poofy” hair.
Dang! I’m confused!
January 4th, 2008 at 12:28 amComment by Sabyen91 — January 4, 2008 @ 12:25 am
That game has been played for decades. Remember the Willy Horton problem? That’s the first one I recall. You have to play hardball these days. If you don’t then you lose and this time we all lose - more is on the line with this election than in any time in my lifetime (48 years).
January 4th, 2008 at 12:28 amMs. Joanne, that is not the game I was speaking of. I think any and all Dem candidates should hit hard against whatever Rethug is nominated. The game I am talking about is Obama not actually coming out with progressive ideas. By the way, doesn’t Huckabee have his own Willie Horton this year? I so want him to be the Republican candidate.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:30 amIf Huck gets the GOP nod, I will be doing the end zone dance!
January 4th, 2008 at 12:31 amI am thinking that as the campaign plays out this year, the American public will see the repukes eat each other, not one qualified candidate who isn’t fatally flawed in multiple respects, and the Democratic candidates inspiring with their message of hope, change, and an end to corporatocracy.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:32 amCulminating in a smashing victory in the Executive and Legislative branches.
#125 Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 4, 2008 @ 12:17 am
I think President Hilary would heal our international image practically overnight.
I certainly hope you are right. I like her domestic side much more than her foreign policy side. She is, after all a solid member of the DLC. She appears to me to be BushCo light in that regard (without the dishonesty and rotten crap). I believe she is comfortable with us staying in Iraq and being corporate driven.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:33 amThese things would not endear us to other countries as they well might see her as trying to continue Pax Americana.
And right now our biggest problem is our destroyed international image.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 4, 2008 @ 12:17 am
Ding! Ding! Ding!
Give the man a cigar. Domestic issues are nearly meaningless. We must begin the process of restoring our image on the international stage. Everything else pales in comparison.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:33 amShe has the “three big B’sâ€: balls, brains, and backing.
Comment by Impolitics — January 4, 2008 @ 12:28 am
Pheew! You had me worried for a split second with those B’s… ;-)
January 4th, 2008 at 12:33 amWell, if it is Hillary I don’t see any inspiring messages of hope, change and end to corporatocracy. Otherwise I agree with you. Every Republican candidate has a fatal flaw.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:34 amZooey, NO $HIT!
Golly, just think…REAL questions with REAL intelligible answers! Whodathunkit!
Comment by Ms_Joanne — January 4, 2008 @ 12:26 am
Who would have thought we’d get so excited about something so damned basic?
January 4th, 2008 at 12:34 amand, juan, the iowa citizens take their responsibility very serious…
they are educated and passionate about the political process…
there are good and bad sides to the caucus procedure…
myself, i think the country needs a single nationwide primary date…
…
as for why i don’t want hillary to be president - it comes down to the
January 4th, 2008 at 12:36 amright-wing-NUTS… i know she is smart and capable and qualified…
but there will be no peace, no national harmony as long as the wingers
have her to bi!ch about… we can’t take any more of that… not yet…
the “vast right wing conspiracy” will not let it go… their hate for the
clinton’s is all consuming… they won’t help the healing…
…
While I agree with you all about our international image, we have huge economic issues that are going to pound us for years to come. I hope we can stave off a major recession (nee depression!) and fear for so many who are already on the precipice.
The statistics on homelessness is staggering and it’s only going to worsen. We have virtually no manufacturing and what does someone with a high school education have to look to? College is getting to be something for the elite (50k plus in student loans for all just exiting college is not a bonus for the masses) and something needs to be done to help people here.
Yes, we are a world stage, but we need some fast changes here to keep our country afloat without selling what is left to other countries.
There are so many things that need to be repaired internally and externally. Like I said, it is going to be a pretty bumpy ride for some time to come.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:37 amComment by Sabyen91 — January 4, 2008 @ 12:20 am
Boxer is good…you might want to think about replacing Feinstein, though!
Yes, and Progressives are looking to ease her out! She is simply poor quality. She embarrasses me when I listen to her talk during committee hearings.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:38 amZooey, NO $HIT!
Golly, just think…REAL questions with REAL intelligible answers! Whodathunkit!
Comment by Ms_Joanne — January 4, 2008 @ 12:26 am
Yes!! We want someone who can speak without butchering the language. Or have to go to a debate wired with a radio…..
January 4th, 2008 at 12:40 amAnd knows where countries are on the map. ( “Wow, Brazil is big.” )
Comment by had enough — January 4, 2008 @ 12:23 am
Could you imagine what a great change it would be to see Obama’s wife in as first lady as compared to what we have now? She would not put up with the crap and phony appearances.
Or Elizabeth Edwards!
January 4th, 2008 at 12:40 amYes, and Progressives are looking to ease her out! She is simply poor quality. She embarrasses me when I listen to her talk during committee hearings.
Comment by Merlin — January 4, 2008 @ 12:38 am
What happened to Feinstein anyway? I used to admire her so much — especially after Moscone & Milk were murdered. She did such a great job. Now she’s crap.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:40 amOr Elizabeth Edwards!
Comment by Merlin — January 4, 2008 @ 12:40 am
I love her…
January 4th, 2008 at 12:44 amas for why i don’t want hillary to be president - it comes down to the
right-wing-NUTS… i know she is smart and capable and qualified…
but there will be no peace, no national harmony as long as the wingers
have her to bi!ch about… we can’t take any more of that… not yet…
the “vast right wing conspiracy†will not let it go… their hate for the
clinton’s is all consuming… they won’t help the healing…
…
Comment by katy — January 4, 2008 @ 12:36 am
Which is why I think Edwards might be the best candidate; though I think Hillary might be the most qualified, on paper. Obama? I like him but I’m afraid the “racist right” might be able to beat him.
Did I mention how confused I am?
January 4th, 2008 at 12:44 am#147 Comment by Sabyen91 — January 4, 2008 @ 12:34 am
Well, if it is Hillary I don’t see any inspiring messages of hope, change and end to corporatocracy.
There will be no “end to corporatocracy” with the Clintons. The DLC stands for corporatocracy.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:45 amYou are right, Zoo, she used to be solid. I have a feeling it is the fact that she is compromised and corrupt as hell.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:45 amWhat happened to Feinstein anyway? I used to admire her so much — especially after Moscone & Milk were murdered. She did such a great job. Now she’s crap.
Comment by Zooey — January 4, 2008 @ 12:40 am
She sold her soul and/or is a victim of blackmail. Either way she’s “damaged goods”.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:47 am“There will be no “end to corporatocracy†with the Clintons. The DLC stands for corporatocracy.”
I know. It may sound counterproductive but Hillary is the one Dem I might not vote for. I would vote for Bloomburg over her.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:47 amComment by BARTLEBEE — January 4, 2008 @ 12:40 am
I am not real happy with her repug-lite voting record in the Senate, personally.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:47 amI tend to watch what candidates do, as well as what they say, if they don’t match then I vote accordingly.
I wish more in this country did.
“I am not real happy with her repug-lite voting record in the Senate, personally.
I tend to watch what candidates do, as well as what they say, if they don’t match then I vote accordingly.
I wish more in this country did.”
I agree with that. I could probably vote for Obama with a clear conscience because of his voting record. I just like Edwards more.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:49 amYou are right, Zoo, she used to be solid. I have a feeling it is the fact that she is compromised and corrupt as hell.
Two words: Term limits!
If it wasn’t for people like Russ Feingold (who is not from my state, I am from IL, but whom I called weekly earlier this year to ask him to run for president) I wouldn’t want any one to be in office for any longer than 2 or 3 terms.
Feingold has the best, most knowledgeable staffers who know the issues and can talk intelligently about them (vs Durbin’s staffers who are close to rocks sometimes). And he is principled and ethical. How can one person be like that when most others are not.
I think that Feingold and Webb are the only ones this admin doesn’t have something on (thank you AT&T) because the rest seem to be impaired these days; ethically, morally, and intellectually. Bankrupt one and all.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:50 am“Edwards and Clinton ar