Comments on: The beginning of the end for Bush. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:20:04 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: ralph the wonder llama http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4214438 ralph the wonder llama Fri, 04 Jan 2008 04:08:44 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/#comment-4214438 <em>To all the folks above who say that popularity after 2 terms is impossible: What about FDR ? As I remember my history, he got re-elected a couple of times after his first 2 terms. Comment by MapleStreet — January 3, 2008 @ 9:57 pm</em> MapleStreet, I think a lot of what you contribute here, and your citation of FDR is a good point, but your framing is flawed. No one, not even the trolls trying to defend Bush, said that <em>popularity after 2 terms is impossible</em>. That's a straw man, and it's not worthy of you. To all the folks above who say that popularity after 2 terms is impossible:

What about FDR ? As I remember my history, he got re-elected a couple of times after his first 2 terms.

Comment by MapleStreet — January 3, 2008 @ 9:57 pm

MapleStreet, I think a lot of what you contribute here, and your citation of FDR is a good point, but your framing is flawed. No one, not even the trolls trying to defend Bush, said that popularity after 2 terms is impossible.

That’s a straw man, and it’s not worthy of you.

]]> By: MapleStreet http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4214274 MapleStreet Fri, 04 Jan 2008 02:57:38 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/#comment-4214274 To all the folks above who say that popularity after 2 terms is impossible: What about FDR ? As I remember my history, he got re-elected a couple of times after his first 2 terms. To all the folks above who say that popularity after 2 terms is impossible:

What about FDR ? As I remember my history, he got re-elected a couple of times after his first 2 terms.

]]> By: Progfin http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4214017 Progfin Thu, 03 Jan 2008 23:48:59 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/#comment-4214017 Worst President ever. Don't know who coined it but it's so appropriate. Thinking Republicans are running in the opposite direction. It's the hardcore and non-thinking ones who are hanging in there with him...or at least are not willing to admit any failings or frustration with him to anyone (pollsters, Dems, press) other than fellow Republicans. It's deja vu again...like Reagan, Bush 1....voodoo economics, huge deficitis and debt (some $420 BILLION in debt interest payments/year...such a national waste), loss of national prestige, etc. But then they want govt. to fail, to justify more cuts, privatization, etc. It's not only their incompetent management but it's their goal. The country needs and deserves far far better. I'm going to buy my first ever bottle of wine for a Presidental retirement. Too bad we have to pay for his protection, retirement, etc. for years and years. He doesn't deserve it. Worst President ever. Don’t know who coined it but it’s so appropriate.

Thinking Republicans are running in the opposite direction. It’s the hardcore and non-thinking ones who are hanging in there with him…or at least are not willing to admit any failings or frustration with him to anyone (pollsters, Dems, press) other than fellow Republicans.

It’s deja vu again…like Reagan, Bush 1….voodoo economics, huge deficitis and debt (some $420 BILLION in debt interest payments/year…such a national waste), loss of national prestige, etc. But then they want govt. to fail, to justify more cuts, privatization, etc. It’s not only their incompetent management but it’s their goal.

The country needs and deserves far far better. I’m going to buy my first ever bottle of wine for a Presidental retirement. Too bad we have to pay for his protection, retirement, etc. for years and years. He doesn’t deserve it.

]]> By: Impolitics http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4213634 Impolitics Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:56:59 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/#comment-4213634 <em>Yeah, but what about the two term unmitigated disasters?</em> Comment by RUCerious — January 3, 2008 @ 3:19 pm Exactly! There is no precedent for the "WORST PRESIDENT EVER". The shrub has been so bad he may cause the destruction of the Republican party and/or the birth of a truly multi-party system. 20 years from now we may be talking about how "good" Nixon was in comparison. And, with any luck, the shrub will be in a cell or stretching a rope. Yeah, but what about the two term unmitigated disasters?

Comment by RUCerious — January 3, 2008 @ 3:19 pm

Exactly! There is no precedent for the “WORST PRESIDENT EVER”.

The shrub has been so bad he may cause the destruction of the Republican party and/or the birth of a truly multi-party system. 20 years from now we may be talking about how “good” Nixon was in comparison. And, with any luck, the shrub will be in a cell or stretching a rope.

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4213580 RUCerious Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:19:09 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/#comment-4213580 two-term presidencies, no matter how successful, Yeah, but what about the two term unmitigated disasters? two-term presidencies, no matter how successful,

Yeah, but what about the two term unmitigated disasters?

]]> By: barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4213567 barfly Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:15:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/#comment-4213567 Well, at least after the caususes are over, we won't have to listen to Hollywood Freddy's tired rhetoric anymore. And Duncan Hunter's going to crash and burn as well. I can't wait to hear the last from those two. Well, at least after the caususes are over, we won’t have to listen to Hollywood Freddy’s tired rhetoric anymore. And Duncan Hunter’s going to crash and burn as well. I can’t wait to hear the last from those two.

]]> By: MapleStreet http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4213510 MapleStreet Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:43:47 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/#comment-4213510 29. Ralph the Wonder Llama - although I tend to believe that your guess is right, I am still amazed that the "Head of the Republican Party" doesn't seem to care about the first caucus. Of course, he also previously admitted that he wasn't interested in policy. 29. Ralph the Wonder Llama – although I tend to believe that your guess is right, I am still amazed that the “Head of the Republican Party” doesn’t seem to care about the first caucus. Of course, he also previously admitted that he wasn’t interested in policy.

]]> By: ralph the wonder llama http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4213499 ralph the wonder llama Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:39:10 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/#comment-4213499 <em>Yes, two-term presidencies, no matter how successful, often bring about a desire for change among the electorate. Comment by Exley — January 3, 2008 @ 2:29 pm</em> You're correct, Exley, as is the Cap'n, that two-term presidencies often bring about a "desire for change". However, as I pointed out earlier, a "desire for change" does not necessarily mean disapproval of the President, as Bill Clinton's numbers demonstrate. Bush's low numbers are not reflective of an over-stayed welcome as much as they are of a thoroughly incompetent administration. And "Bush Fatigue" started much earlier and has been much deeper than that associated with other two-term presidents. And Bartlebee, thanks for reminding us that, before 9/11, Bush was already an unpopular president. Yes, two-term presidencies, no matter how successful, often bring about a desire for change among the electorate.

Comment by Exley — January 3, 2008 @ 2:29 pm

You’re correct, Exley, as is the Cap’n, that two-term presidencies often bring about a “desire for change”.

However, as I pointed out earlier, a “desire for change” does not necessarily mean disapproval of the President, as Bill Clinton’s numbers demonstrate.

Bush’s low numbers are not reflective of an over-stayed welcome as much as they are of a thoroughly incompetent administration. And “Bush Fatigue” started much earlier and has been much deeper than that associated with other two-term presidents.

And Bartlebee, thanks for reminding us that, before 9/11, Bush was already an unpopular president.

]]> By: Exley http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4213472 Exley Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:29:39 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/#comment-4213472 #18 An excellent wrap-up of recent political history. Yes, two-term presidencies, no matter how successful, often bring about a desire for change among the electorate. In addition to your examples, there is the 1960 election. Following two successful terms by Eisenhower and with Ike still a popular figure, JFK was nonetheless elected president over Ike's V.P. in the closest presidential election in modern U.S. history. #18

An excellent wrap-up of recent political history. Yes, two-term presidencies, no matter how successful, often bring about a desire for change among the electorate.

In addition to your examples, there is the 1960 election. Following two successful terms by Eisenhower and with Ike still a popular figure, JFK was nonetheless elected president over Ike’s V.P. in the closest presidential election in modern U.S. history.

]]> By: Shayne http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4213467 Shayne Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:28:36 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/#comment-4213467 When Bush is swinging at the end of a rope after long trials where all his crimes and treasonous acts are exposed, then the US can regain it's lost reputation. When Bush is swinging at the end of a rope after long trials where all his crimes and treasonous acts are exposed, then the US can regain it’s lost reputation.

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4213445 RUCerious Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:19:21 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/#comment-4213445 I am hanging on, waiting for the end of the end. I am hanging on, waiting for the end of the end.

]]> By: Impolitics http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4213417 Impolitics Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:02:39 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/#comment-4213417 I think that 21% disapproval, among Reps, is a bit misleading. My guess is that only the hardcore rightwingers are still calling themselves "Republicans". BTW, are there any reliable studies which explore the relative strength of the parties? My guess is that Republicans are jumping ship in record numbers and I've seen several reports which claim that "Independents" are a growing group. I think that 21% disapproval, among Reps, is a bit misleading. My guess is that only the hardcore rightwingers are still calling themselves “Republicans”.

BTW, are there any reliable studies which explore the relative strength of the parties? My guess is that Republicans are jumping ship in record numbers and I’ve seen several reports which claim that “Independents” are a growing group.

]]> By: Severus http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/comment-page-1/#comment-4213395 Severus Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:50:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/#comment-4213395 Bush fatigue for much of the country set in around Janaury 20 2001. It has just taken the rest of the country this long to cut through the crap to see that there is only more crap to be offered.. Bush fatigue for much of the country set in around Janaury 20 2001. It has just taken the rest of the country this long to cut through the crap to see that there is only more crap to be offered..

]]> By: Gregor Samsa http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/comment-page-1/#comment-4213347 Gregor Samsa Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:30:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/#comment-4213347 <i>Comment by ralph the wonder llama — January 3, 2008 @ 12:38 pm</i> Good point. Still, not a very encouraging statistic... Comment by ralph the wonder llama — January 3, 2008 @ 12:38 pm

Good point.

Still, not a very encouraging statistic…

]]> By: nanlichi http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/comment-page-1/#comment-4213342 nanlichi Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:29:04 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/#comment-4213342 Bush has been the worst thing ever for our country, he did more damage than Osama or Sadam could ever hope to do. But Bush has been good, in an accidental way. He and his incubi have stripped the layers away from the rotten onion that is the Republican Party and exposed the maggot filled rot at the center to the 25% of Americans that previously wouldn't look. The 25%ers will always be with us, the pathetic losers who still support Bush, but there are significant number of people who will never vote for these scum again. And for that, we thank you Bush. A failure to the end, the only thing positive you can do is by accident. Now fade off into oblivion in some dank jail cell and be glad we don't hang your ass from the lamp post as you deserve. Bush has been the worst thing ever for our country, he did more damage than Osama or Sadam could ever hope to do. But Bush has been good, in an accidental way. He and his incubi have stripped the layers away from the rotten onion that is the Republican Party and exposed the maggot filled rot at the center to the 25% of Americans that previously wouldn’t look.

The 25%ers will always be with us, the pathetic losers who still support Bush, but there are significant number of people who will never vote for these scum again.

And for that, we thank you Bush. A failure to the end, the only thing positive you can do is by accident. Now fade off into oblivion in some dank jail cell and be glad we don’t hang your ass from the lamp post as you deserve.

]]> By: PatrioticLiberalChristian http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/comment-page-1/#comment-4213325 PatrioticLiberalChristian Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:24:03 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/#comment-4213325 I did have Clinton fatigue as I was tired of hearing all the hyped up and hypocritical "morality" statements about his sexual escapades. With Bush, I am truly fatigued because the nightmare he is making this country, this world, live through makes sleeping soundly very difficult. I did have Clinton fatigue as I was tired of hearing all the hyped up and hypocritical “morality” statements about his sexual escapades.

With Bush, I am truly fatigued because the nightmare he is making this country, this world, live through makes sleeping soundly very difficult.

]]> By: jpoke42 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/comment-page-1/#comment-4213313 jpoke42 Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:20:39 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/#comment-4213313 missmolly, let me add to the positive list... 7) Fulfilling his most sacred duties as protectorate of the American people, He caught and prosecuted the man responisble for the worst terrorist act in history. Oh wait... missmolly, let me add to the positive list…

7) Fulfilling his most sacred duties as protectorate of the American people, He caught and prosecuted the man responisble for the worst terrorist act in history. Oh wait…

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/comment-page-1/#comment-4213307 RUCerious Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:17:44 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/#comment-4213307 His entire regime should be packaged as: Amerika, go FU(K yourselves. His entire regime should be packaged as:

Amerika, go FU(K yourselves.

]]> By: hellinabucket http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/comment-page-1/#comment-4213293 hellinabucket Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:13:49 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/#comment-4213293 Or, should I say, you didn't beat around the bush. Or, should I say, you didn’t beat around the bush.

]]> By: hellinabucket http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/comment-page-1/#comment-4213292 hellinabucket Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:12:45 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-bush/#comment-4213292 missmolly, oh are you good. missmolly, oh are you good.

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