McCain Suggests Lieberman As Possible Secretary Of Defense
McCain Suggests Lieberman As Possible Secretary Of Defense
In his semi-weekly blogger conference call today, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) heaped praise upon Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT), who has endorsed McCain’s GOP presidential bid. McCain told the bloggers that he would like Lieberman to serve in his administration:
I would definitely want Joe Lieberman to play a part — particularly in national security issues — in my administration.
Commenting on RedState, Adam C — who was also on the conference call — said that McCain’s comment indicated that the senator was considering Lieberman to head of the Pentagon: “That sounds like a possible SecDef to me.”
McCain and Lieberman have been foreign policy soulmates, consistently pushing for sending more troops to Iraq. More recently, they have ignored the advice of U.S. military commanders and rushed to declare victory in the war. In late November, McCain told ABC News that “we’ve succeeded militarily” in Iraq. A day later, Lieberman told Fox News, “We are winning.”
Installing Lieberman to oversee national security in a Republican administration has been a right-wing dream for quite some time. In March 2006, the Weekly Standard’s Fred Barnes suggested President Bush appoint Lieberman as Secretary of State. Additionally, in 2005, both Andrew Sullivan and CBS News’s Bob Schieffer suggested Lieberman as Secretary of Defense.
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Lieberman would make a great Secretary of Offense. He’s offensive in every sense.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:05 pmIt’d be so ironic for a Jewish Sec. of Defense to permit, even encourage, Nazi torture techniques. We have met the enemy and he is us.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:05 pmMcCain can suggest anyone he wants for Secretary of Defense…he will never be in a position to nominate one so let him go ahead and piss into the wind all he wants.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:05 pmWhen the neo-con vision of an eternal Republican presidency was an all too possible reality, Joe Lieberman sold his soul to hop aboard the train to hell….
Well, now that the wheel has turned, as anyone with any sort of historical knowledge knew it would, Joe’s on the outside, looking in. And the only people who acknowledge him are the one’s who don’t matter anymore.
I’d almost feel sorry for him… if the price he was willing to pay for his own personal glory wasn’t in the blood of thousands of Americans.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:09 pmWith a lie bermann at defense our troops will be stationed at the wailing wall. The crusades are a comin.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:10 pmthere wouldn’t be a safe place on this earth.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:10 pmAndrew Sullivan is “right wing?”
He endorsed John Kerry in 2004 and supports Barack Obama in 2008.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:11 pmIn a galaxy far, far away, in a time not yet dreamed of…
January 4th, 2008 at 2:12 pmHe also promised to appoint Russ Limbaugh as director of the Food and Drug Administration.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:14 pmWhen the neo-con vision of an eternal Republican presidency was an all too possible reality, Joe Lieberman sold his soul to hop aboard the train to hell….
Comment by raynman
Spot on, raynman. Perfectly stated. Lieberman is as unAmerican as the rest of the neocon henchmen. Their dream of limitless power has been shattered – and that pretty much makes them all irrelevant now.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:14 pmOsama bin Laden’s dream come true would be Joe Lieberwhore as Secretary of Defense. The result would be World War III.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:15 pmThat will the Neocons best dream….
Lieberman(I) will then complete the PNAC manifesto plan. World War III will become a reality.
Did Lieberman ever attend a military school..or even put military uniform on?
January 4th, 2008 at 2:16 pmMcCain is now pandering trying to get extreme Likudnicks and right wingers support for more wars in the name of peace in the Middle East…and who would be better than Liberman to sell such ideas to the public .
“McCain Suggests Lieberman As Possible Secretary Of Defense”
And the drink of GOP koolaid and that kiss to Bush showed Joe Lickerman’s true colors. He is certainly the new GOP soldier to the GOP party.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:17 pmAndrew Sullivan is “right wing?â€
He endorsed John Kerry in 2004 and supports Barack Obama in 2008.
Comment by Exley — January 4, 2008 @ 2:11 pm
“Andrew Michael Sullivan (born August 10, 1963) is a libertarian conservative author and political commentator, distinguished by his often personal style of political analysis.”- wiki
Have you ever seen him on Bill Maher’s show Exley? He is definitely right wing and he is proud of it. Who do you think you’re fooling?
January 4th, 2008 at 2:17 pmAndrew Sullivan is “right wing?â€
He endorsed John Kerry in 2004 and supports Barack Obama in 2008.
Comment by Exley
Happy new year, Ex.
So he’s a smart right winger. I’m pretty sure there are a few of those out there. At least I would like to hope so.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:17 pmGod help us! I think both McCain and Lieberman should be living in a retirement home for the mentally handicapped.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:19 pmMcCain might as well say he’s going to make Mickey Mouse the Secretary of State. It’s all a pipe dream anyway.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:19 pm#14,
Happy New Year to you too, StratRat. Hope your Holidays were fun.
You can’t call Sullivan a right-winger. He is anti-Bush in a major way. The only thing about him that is remotely “conservative” is that he supports the military action in Afghanistan. But I don’t think that is limited to right-wingers.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:23 pmOh, gack.
Pardon me while I yark up a giagantic hairball on the carpet. :o/
January 4th, 2008 at 2:26 pmMcCain/Liebermann:
January 4th, 2008 at 2:27 pmGet a Room!
17 – pardon me, Exley, dear, but Andrew Sullivan USED to be a major-league rightwinger …
Well, that is, until Ann Coulter proclaimed that FAGS were not welcome in the Republican Party…
January 4th, 2008 at 2:28 pmSully considers himself a conservative. Not sure anyone else does.
Is McCain giving out barf bags to go with his Lieberman affection?
January 4th, 2008 at 2:29 pmBe afraid, be very, very afraid.
This is but a glimpse of what 2009 and beyond holds if the thugs continue to rule our currently lawless (for the administration) country.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:30 pmMcCain isn’t gonna get the nod from the Repukians so that makes traitor LIEbermann a non-issue.
Huckleberry for President will be so sweet, the defeat will be so freaking huge, maybe we won’t see a Repukian President for a LONG, LONG TIME.
Buck Fush
January 4th, 2008 at 2:32 pmTo think that I voted for Joe Lieberwhore when he was on the ticket with Al Gore back in 2000 makes me sick to my stomach. No wonder why the rest of the world wants to marginalize America.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:32 pmCould any candidate be a more clueless crackpot than McCain? He just witnessed a complete repudiation of anyone and everyone who supported the war in Iraq and the President’s policy there and now he’s talking about Lieberman as if that’s a good thing. What planet does he live on?
And, sorry Exley, but Sullivan is still a repube. He simply has been disaffected by all the gay-bashing and doesn’t agree with a failed policy in Iraq. He enthusiastically supported Bush in 2000.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:33 pmJeff Gannon for Department Of The Interior.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:33 pmGoodness, gracious.
McCain08: If it’s pandering you want, McCain’s your man.
What an asshole. Terry Schiavo would be a better secretary of defense than Holy Joe.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:34 pmYou can’t call Sullivan a right-winger. He is anti-Bush in a major way. The only thing about him that is remotely “conservative†is that he supports the military action in Afghanistan. But I don’t think that is limited to right-wingers.
Comment by Exley — January 4, 2008 @ 2:23 pm
Sullivan is a Conservative. What he has argued, with considerable evidence, is that the current Republican party is not conservative. What he is not is a wacko Bushie. He not only endorsed Obama, but also Ron Paul. Typically, Exley fails to mention anything that refutes his spin.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:36 pmHappy New Year to you too, StratRat. Hope your Holidays were fun.
You can’t call Sullivan a right-winger. He is anti-Bush in a major way.
Comment by Exley
Yep, had a ball. A safe and fun time was had by all.
What do think of the results in Iowa? Any predictions for the GOP?
January 4th, 2008 at 2:36 pmJust great. Two Alzheimer patients setting policy for 19 year olds to go to war. Ain’t this a grand country?
January 4th, 2008 at 2:36 pmI know it’s impolite to mention someone’s looks, but has anyone else noticed how closely Lieberman resembles that Emperor guy from Star Wars before he got all Dark Lord.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:38 pmRet. Col.,
I don’t know that Sullivan is a Republican, but you are right, to say Sullivan does consider himself a conservative, but more in the tradition of a Goldwater libertarian conservative. He is disdainful of Christian fundamentalist conservatism and of the Bush administration.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:41 pmLieberman as Sec of State, Sec of Defense, etc.
What in his background qualifies for these positions ?
For a republican WH cabinet ? – Never Mind.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:48 pmHow about Martin Bormann?
January 4th, 2008 at 2:48 pm#29 StratRat, Glad you had a good time….
As for Iowa, boy, I don’t know….I have been talking about this all day and I have no better sense of where the GOP race is going than I did last night.
Huckabee, I hope, is a one-state phenomenon. He is not going to win New Hampshire, but I fear that if he does well there, he could win South Carolina and Florida, and then it is difficult to see anyone denying him the nomination (which is a very depressing thought).
Romnet needs to win NH. If he doesn’t, he’s done. If he win NH and comes back to win Michigan, he is a viable front-runner again. It is do-or-die for Romney in New Hampshire.
If McCain wins New Hampshire, he needs to win or do VERY well in South Carolina. I know Rudy has put all his faith in Florida, but that is a dangerous strategy.
So, again, I have NO idea who is going to be the GOP nominee. Like many Republicans, I am not overly-enthusiastic about any one of them. Each has virtures, but each has big flaws as well.
As for the Democrats, I think the size of Obama’s victory is extremely significant. If this had been a three-way tie and Hillary went on to win NH, I would have thought she was still the odds-on favorite to win the nomination. But Obama really thrashed her. If he wins NH and then SC, where is he stopped? (Edwards is done — which is good because he was the Democrat who scared me the most).
*Phew* Sorry….Went on a little long there, but I love this stuff.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:51 pmThe “straight-talk express” should be renamed the ’straight-jacket wreck’. This latest McCainism is proof.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:51 pmConsidering Lieberman’s ethnicity, his family was personally affected by the Nazis in WWII, yet, he agrees that torture can be part of American treatment of prisoners — so it’s only verboten to torture Jews, but it’s OK to torture Muslims/Arabs/Persians?
The thought of JL being involved in any way in a future administration is sickening. He is an opportunist, a panderer, and a warmonger – not to mention a traitor to his former supporters.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:52 pmexlax; your main man Mitt is toast.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:53 pmI don’t think we have to worry about who McCain would nominate for anything. We might need to worry about who Romney or Huckabee likes, but McCain will probably get the same support from South Carolina as he did last time.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:54 pmI would definitely want William Wallace to play a part–particularly in national security issues–in my administration.
What’s that?
Oh, my apologies. I thought this was fookin Fantasy administration for a day.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:54 pmThey have the majority in both houses and still can’t muster a win on any issue. It’s scary to think we have a system of checks and balances, and they can do nothing right. It’s all about power and getting elected. Tip O’Neal would have hammered Bush.
Comment by Southern Man
It’s probably not quite as simple as you state, but I do agree with you. Pelosi and Reid must either be clueless or blackmailed – I don’t know which. Tip O’Neal would have run circles around those two – although his tactics were sometimes questionable.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:55 pmIt’d be so ironic for a Jewish Sec. of Defense to permit, even encourage, Nazi torture techniques. We have met the enemy and he is us.
Comment by Badmoodman — January 4, 2008 @ 2:05 pm
Irony is too kind a word . Will history ever stop repeating itself ? I once thought loe was a good man , I now believe otherwise . Any jew that advocates torture and racism is doing a dis service to all those who were lost to the madness of naziism and German racism in the concentration camps . This terrible crime , which must never be forgotten ,must also never be allowed to be repeated .That said I believe that applies to All peoples , including the palestinians who will recieve NO reparations and have NO right of return to the homes they have lost to Israeli’s.Quite a double standard , an actually especially unforgivable one being it is being perpetrated by last years victims .
January 4th, 2008 at 2:56 pmWhen can we finally live in peace with one another ? Will we repeat the sames mistakes till we perish from them ? America is living proof that our similarities far outweigh our differences . We must stop descriminating in our foreign policies against the Islam and Israel must be held accountable for it’s continued land grabbing and killing of innocents in thre occupied territories !
Bigotry looks bad on everyone , even a Jew ! Especially a Jew .
Went on a little long there, but I love this stuff.
Comment by Exley
Get a life. ;)
*Happy New Year
January 4th, 2008 at 2:57 pmGummitch has it right at #28 – Sullivan is a CONSERVATIVE in economic policies, but he supports Obama as well as Ron Paul. Anyone who despises Bush can’t be all bad.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:57 pmSullivan is one of the few Republicans I can abide.
*Phew* Sorry….Went on a little long there, but I love this stuff.
Comment by Exley
You did good. I like your analysis of both sides. Obama suprised me (and everybody, I suspect) and the way Huckabee sprinted to the finish was also very surprising. NH ought to be interesting. I’ll stay tuned.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:58 pmDid McCain buy his campaign strategy from ACME products? Between the pronouncement that he’d be OK with the US in Iraq for a million years and now offering up a known neocon warmonger as SecDef, McCain seems hell-bent on running his campaign over a cliff.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:59 pm#48, “Get a life.”
I wish, Juan!
Happy New Year to you and yours as well…
January 4th, 2008 at 3:00 pmWE ARE ALL GODS CHILDREN .
January 4th, 2008 at 3:00 pmIt’d be so ironic for a Jewish Sec. of Defense to permit, even encourage, Nazi torture techniques. We have met the enemy and he is us.
Comment by Badmoodman
Bigotry looks bad on everyone , even a Jew ! Especially a Jew .
Comment by freeman
Yeah, I wondered about that statement too. Are Jewish policies (Israel) so much better than Nazi policies? In which way? The Mossad had killed hundreds of people with the greatest contempt of the rule of law, they are caging a whole country and squeeze them to starvation and perpetual conflict… why they should any better than Nazis?
Oh, they don’t have ovens, I see.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:00 pmYou can’t call Sullivan a right-winger. He is anti-Bush in a major way.
Sullivan is a true Conservative, not a Republican. I can find much common ground with a true Conservative, as opposed to these Evangelicals and Neocons. Andrew is “of no party or clique.”
January 4th, 2008 at 3:02 pmThank goodness that’s one thing I won’t have to worry to much about.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:02 pmIt saddens me that McCain’s lust for the Presidency has left him “unhinged”. At one time he was a voice of reason and moderation.
Now? It wouldn’t surprise me if he proposed keeping the shrub on. Secretary Of Education perhaps?
January 4th, 2008 at 3:02 pmComment by Marie — January 4, 2008 @ 2:57 pm
I don’t know Marie, there have been many times when Sullivan has been on Bill Mahers show that I wanted to put my foot through his teeth. He’s just like every other Republican, self-serving. He’s only liberal when it suits his needs.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:03 pmIsreal will have their golden boy bomb every Middle Eastern country and Isreal would then turn on the US. Lieberman has done his best to get the US to illegally invaded and bomb Iran for no reason. Look the Jewish people have put alot of money and time in the effort to get control of Palestinian land. What’s interesting is they are using the Old Testament as they seem to forget God punished them for their sins. As we noticed with the set up at Columbia University with the Iran President. Lieberman forgets to tell the American people that all of the Holocaust money was stolen in Isreal now the victims want countries to give more money. Isreal still wont admit they pushed for the killing for Jesus even when Rome said no. Like true Satan style Israel hasn’t changed it’s ways. Now Lieberman will use the US until Isreal controls all of the Middle East then Lieberman will move forward to get total control of the United States. Money and stupidity can buy the USA. McCain is only sucking up for the Jewish money and votes. Talk about putting a mad man in position to have weapons, Lieberman will be worse the Saddam.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:03 pmI have to agree with comment #2. For a Jew to be encouraging torture is beyond belief. Sen. Liebermann is the first to defend Israel, yet he favors torture. The two things don’t mix and he knows it. Apparently he forgot about WWII and how the Germans treated, and killed Jews. If he was any kind of Jew he’d be completely and totally against torture of mistreatment of any kind. But Liebermann is a power hungry idiot who will do anything to get and keep power. He has betrayed all of the principles that Democrats stand for.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:05 pmThe rainbow tribe … we are everywhere . Lets do like the soldiers who celebrated christmas with the enemy in the trenches of the first world war , our enemies are not other nations and tribes but greed corruption and ignorance .
January 4th, 2008 at 3:05 pm#42 – it just goes to show that there are exceptionalists and master racists of every persuasion.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:06 pmLove is still the answer !
January 4th, 2008 at 3:07 pm#61 – for the record, not only does Israel practice torture extensively (mainly to terrorize populations, and less to gather intelligence), the revelations of US torture practices and other abuses (like the terror tactics used in Fallujah) came after we took on Israeli “advisors”.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:07 pmComment by The Shadow — January 4, 2008 @ 3:05 pm
For any human to condone torture is depressing as heck. Especially when thousands of troops are vulnerable to retaliation.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:09 pmyour pulling my fingernails .
January 4th, 2008 at 3:10 pm“Edwards is done — which is good because he was the Democrat who scared me the most”
Comment by Exley
So if Exlax thinks this then-
It means that Edwards is probably the most qualified to turn this country around and get is back on track and rid the country of repukian scum.
Buck Fush
January 4th, 2008 at 3:12 pmShayne,
January 4th, 2008 at 3:13 pmI don’t disagree with you — sometimes, Sullivan is totally confounding, but he is a conservative with whom I can certainly disagree while not be totally repulsed by him as a person.
I like to see him on Maher’s program because the discussions are so interesting. It bemuses me that he continues to espouse the party who rejects him and his personal life so thoroughly.
BTW, Southernwoman,
January 4th, 2008 at 3:16 pmLieberman was NEVER a god in the Democratic party.
(Edwards is done — which is good because he was the Democrat who scared me the most).
*Phew* Sorry….Went on a little long there, but I love this stuff.
Comment by Exley
More baloney. Edwards isn’t dropping out, and he certainly isn’t done yet.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:17 pm#66, indeed. Lieberman was brought in as VP as a deliberate pander to the middle-right. His claim to fame was how vehemently and self-righteously he tut-tutted Clinton’s sexual indiscretions.
He has indeed been a darling of the DLC, but the DLC is an outside group trying to take over the DNC, not “Democrats” generally.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:17 pmEdwards isn’t dropping out, and he certainly isn’t done
Indeed – Edwards has only one less delegate than Obama at this point, and one more than Hillary.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:18 pmAnd if Exley is an Iowan, they must have lowered their standards since I left.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:18 pmAnd to think people were worried when Kennedy ran because he was a catholic and that the pope would have influence on American politics .Now we have Joe whose greatest loyalties lie apparently lie with the Zionists and in whose committee the violent radicalization and homegrown terrorist act abides which looks like an invitation to krystal nacht .
January 4th, 2008 at 3:20 pmwhich is good because he was the Democrat who scared me the most.
Comment by Exley
Why?
January 4th, 2008 at 3:21 pmWhy?
Comment by Juan C.
Good old fashioned populism scares the bejesus out of top-down management tools like Ex.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:22 pmBarfly,
1) Not an Iowan. Native New Yorker.
2) Edwards is done. He had to win Iowa to establish credibility as a viable candidate get the momentum to carry him in other states. He finished second in Iowa in 2004 and four years later he still finished second. He is not going to win in New Hampshire and now Obama’s big win has taken all the oxygen out of the proverbial room.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:22 pmAnd Edwards accomplished this feat with less money and while being either ignored or attacked by both the MSM and many supposedly progressive web sites .
January 4th, 2008 at 3:24 pmEND CORPORATE RULE , don’t vote it in as the lesser of 2 evils .If the game is rigged you get up from the table .
#78
Juan,
Edwards is a charming, good-looking, telegenic figure who speaks very well. He reminds me of Clinton a little. I think he would have been a VERY effective candidate for the Democrats. I think the GOP starting this race already behind with some pretty mediocre candidates and an Edwards candidacy would have been very difficult to overcome.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:25 pm“2) Edwards is done. He had to win Iowa to establish credibility as a viable candidate get the momentum to carry him in other states. He finished second in Iowa in 2004 and four years later he still finished second. He is not going to win in New Hampshire and now Obama’s big win has taken all the oxygen out of the proverbial room.”
Comment by Exley — January 4, 2008 @ 3:22 pm
Someone’s been placing too much stock in the opinions of paid political pundits, attempting to construct a “frame.”
Guess who?
January 4th, 2008 at 3:26 pmBarfly,
What state does Edwards win next?
January 4th, 2008 at 3:27 pmWhat state does Edwards win next?
Comment by Exley —
South Carolina.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:29 pmThis reminds me of a fantasy sports league. Does anyone really care what fantasy picks McCain makes?
January 4th, 2008 at 3:31 pm81 – Ex – yer completely full of (sh)it.
Edwards took second – AHEAD of Hillary. You remember Hillary – the candidate that the reichwing insists is invincible….? Edwards BEAT her.
What planet are you from??
January 4th, 2008 at 3:31 pmSM – I never ever liked LIEberman. In my opinion, the fact that Gore chose him as veep was the very reason he lost.
Obviously you haven’t got a single clue how Democrats think, so why don’t you quit saying stupid stuff like that, eh?
January 4th, 2008 at 3:33 pmHaving lived in Europe for 12+ years, it is a pleasure to read that many my fellow countrymen are still basically liberal, and comitted to providing a living/ insurance for all citizens (and those who are not).
January 4th, 2008 at 3:33 pmConcerning the use of torture; is is not a German or Israli or even a ‘bad apple ‘ in Iraq. Read Dr. Zimbardo’s study/book, ‘The Lucifer Effect’ about approved, encouraged torture, and the Stanford experiment, and you will believe it’s not a ‘few bad apples’, but rather a bad barrel.
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Good old fashioned populism scares the bejesus out of top-down management tools like Ex.
Comment by barfly
That was 2 birds with one shot.
and an Edwards candidacy would have been very difficult to overcome.
Comment by Exley
And? I mean, what are you afraid of? Not having a Republican President? Is that the fear?
Wow, I thought African kids were really f_cked up.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:34 pmBarfly,
I agree that South Carolina is his best shot. But can he overcome Obama there? And let’s say he does win — A lot of people will write it off as a “favorite son” victory (Yes, I know he is from North Carolina, but close enough) that does not portend future victories or give him any momentum going into other primaries.
Hey, I may turn out to be wrong — but between the Obama phenomenon and Clinton’s money and organization, I don’t see how Edwards fits in or makes a move.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:36 pm#95, Juan,
“And? I mean, what are you afraid of? Not having a Republican President?”
Well…yeah. I’m a Republican and so obviously I would much prefer a Republican president. I don’t think an Edwards presidency would bring about the end of Western civilization as we know it….But he could inflict some long-term damage, especially when it comes to the judiciary.
Don’t you root and work for your side to win elections, Juan?
January 4th, 2008 at 3:39 pmsouthern man / woman my god it’s the mighty hermaphrodite ressurected .
January 4th, 2008 at 3:44 pmDr. Matt, let southernsissy rant. It does no good to engage trolls. Imagine what the life of a troll must be like. Imagine that they actually think we care what they think…..
January 4th, 2008 at 3:45 pmDon’t you root and work for your side to win elections, Juan?
Comment by Exley
Oh, Ex… you naive creature, we don’t have elections in Latinamerica.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:45 pm97 – Ex, has it ever in your life occurred to you that SOME OF US may not be simpletons (like you) who do what we’re told by big money or big politics…?
Yes! It’s true! Some of us make up our own minds! We decide for ourselves!!
That’s why we like Edwards.
Get a friggin’ clue, ya dork.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:47 pmJuan
January 4th, 2008 at 3:47 pmI’m on my way to South America in a few weeks , for a few months ,which country are U in ?
Just think Jimmy Carter but dumber. Just imagine Edwards sitting across the table from the leaders of OPEC. †I bet I could find a way to make my hair look better with some real crude oil.â€
Comment by Southern Man — January 4, 2008 @ 3:45 pm
I find the idea of Huckabee sitting there trying to figure out how all that oil might have formed in a mere 6000 years far more amusing
January 4th, 2008 at 3:47 pmPoor Exley and southernsissy….they think they can demand answers from us. Trolls like this must not fit in with the repubs so they have to come here.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:48 pmI bet I could find a way to make my hair look better with some real crude oil.â€
Comment by Southern Man
Or this one: “sovereignty is well … sovereignty, and if you have sovereignty you are sovereign.”
Wait, the latter really happened!
January 4th, 2008 at 3:48 pmI’m on my way to South America in a few weeks , for a few months ,which country are U in ?
Comment by freeman
Mexico. Be sure to visit Buenos Aires, have a nice steak and a glass of Malbec wine from Mendoza, make sure to go to a soccer game to know what is passion, then to Iguazu Waterfalls, then to Montevideo, then to Machu Pichu, then to… oh, well… enjoy!
January 4th, 2008 at 3:51 pmSounds great but i’ll probably just be catching my winters tan under the hole in the O zone.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:53 pmName of the website is Think Progress…….that’s not your game…..what are you doing here.
I have listened to what repubs have had to say for the last several years now and they have not said anything yet that I agree with. I no longer have to listen to you. Rembember when the repbubs in congress told the dems to sit down and shut up that they were in power…..well that is over now so I think you know what to do.
I do not care what you think about anything. The progressives will now gather to make the adult decisions that your party has not been up to.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:53 pmJust imagine Edwards sitting across the table from the leaders of OPEC. †I bet I could find a way to make my hair look better with some real crude oil.â€
Comment by Southern Man — January 4, 2008 @ 3:45 pm
I would prefer that to bombing them into submission.
Not that it matters. I don’t think Edwards will get the nomination though being in position to let Obama and Clinton bash each others brains out could be a good place.
However, if Dems continue to outnumber reps by 2-1, I don’t see how any Rep can win. They could run Jesus against a rabid skunk and lose. They are “damaged goods” and will need to clean house of neocons if they ever want to regain power.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:54 pmLeftside Annie,
You can like Edwards all you want. Vote for him…Volunteer for him…That’s great.
It is also irrelevant to my point, which is that he lost his chance last night and now will not win the nomination.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:55 pmThis is what happens when some common sense starts to work in here. First a name call, and then the “ignore them†tactic. Thanks for making me feel better about my argument Fred.
Comment by Southern Man — January 4, 2008 @ 3:50 pm
Give us all a heads up when you plan on making any sense, common or otherwise.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:56 pmWe spent Christmas eve this year at the mexican neighbors house , and every family member wanted to drink tequela with me ( their from quadlahara ). Christmas was a very big hangover …. but it was a blast and I have no regrets .
January 4th, 2008 at 3:57 pmExley, Have you been in coma for the last 6+ years or what? GW and his boss Darth Cheney have destroyed the tatters of this country, formerly referred to as a republic.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:58 pmWhat has Gw et. al. done? Well we have the four horsemen of the Apocolapse: Falling dollar, falling home prices, cost of oil, and lack of confidence in the credit market. You could add loss of jobs, regardless of the unemployment report. You believe Guliani, aka Il Duce, or McCain, the weather vane, could save us? Get a life.
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118 Exley…you have been outed….get thee back in thy closet.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:00 pmIt is also irrelevant to my point, which is that he lost his chance last night and now will not win the nomination.
Comment by Exley — January 4, 2008 @ 3:55 pm
Probably not, but there are no certainties at this point. Edwards still has an opportunity to reach independents, or independent-minded Democrats and didn’t completely collapse in Iowa. If he can pull off another 2nd place in New Hampshire, I wouldn’t write him off. Clinton, on the other hand, would lose all credibility in that scenario.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:00 pmIs xley coming out ?
January 4th, 2008 at 4:01 pmThis shows that McCain has extremely poor judgement and therefore does not have what it takes to be president. It worked for our the current little woodenhead president but we all know how badly that has gone.
How many ways can McCain say, “down in flames”?
January 4th, 2008 at 4:02 pmor is it there is no room in there , what with all the skeletons and torture devices .
January 4th, 2008 at 4:02 pmYou’re a G damned lier is all you are
January 4th, 2008 at 4:03 pm#124, “If he can pull off another 2nd place in New Hampshire, I wouldn’t write him off. Clinton, on the other hand, would lose all credibility in that scenario.”
Gummitch, Agreed….If Hillary comes in third in New Hampshire, that is a seismic political event that would end her candidacy and leave it an Obama-Edwards race.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:03 pmKennedy should be the model in my opinion. SOuthern man
January 4th, 2008 at 4:06 pmGee but you were so EXTREMELY NASTY to teddy a few weeks ago .YOU LIE LIKE A RUG . Maybe a smalll cut and paste from the thanksgiving guest blog of Ted Kennedy will show your intelectual honsty in a bit clearer light .
the initials for that title are perfect in this case: SOD
January 4th, 2008 at 4:07 pm“Don’t you root and work for your side to win elections, Juan?
Comment by Exley
Oh, Ex… you naive creature, we don’t have elections in Latinamerica.
Comment by Juan C. — January 4, 2008 @ 3:45 pm”
You sound so disillusioned, Juan. But obviously you know the political realities of your own nation better than I do….So, if you don’t participate in electoral politics, what do you do to bring about the kind of political and social changes you want to achieve?
January 4th, 2008 at 4:08 pmExley snorts coke
January 4th, 2008 at 4:10 pmwonder if Mary Joes family has nice Thanksgivivngs? I wonder if they miss her? Thanks Tedddy.
Comment by Southern Man — November 15, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
January 4th, 2008 at 4:10 pmsouthern sissy is gay
January 4th, 2008 at 4:11 pmI don’t know exley as I rercall you support our overthrowing governments and creating insurgencies in Latin America . That policy is probably not very good for democracies in the rest of the hemisphere .
January 4th, 2008 at 4:14 pmOr perhaps you’ve become a new kinder gentler eXley while I wasn’t paying attention.
All politics is by definition frustrating ,all real spirituality is by definition liberating.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:16 pmFlag Fred
January 4th, 2008 at 4:16 pmYou lied did U not ? This is an example of intellectual honesty ? Your a nasty disrespectful liar whose sole purpose here is to be contentious and disruptive .
January 4th, 2008 at 4:18 pmYou sound so disillusioned, Juan. But obviously you know the political realities of your own nation better than I do….So, if you don’t participate in electoral politics, what do you do to bring about the kind of political and social changes you want to achieve?
Comment by Exley
Educating people with Thermodynamics. Heh.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:18 pmOf course. What I’m looking forward to is the Reichnuts turning on Bushco after the nomination. They will have to sacrifice the shrub to get ANY votes. They will have to run against the “WORST PRESIDENT EVER”.
Won’t it be fun watching Bill Kristol explaining how his candidate is better than Bush? How he won’t “make the same mistakes”? How he’s smarter, more religious and more “right” than Bush?
Gosh! It’s gonna be ugly. And fun!
January 4th, 2008 at 4:19 pmNice juan,
January 4th, 2008 at 4:20 pmyou let trolls dominate your thread and want me banned?
Try posting a contrary remark on a right wing web site , just as an experiment and see how long U remain not banned .
January 4th, 2008 at 4:20 pmAnd Ex, I would be disillusioned if there were no other means to change the reality than politics. But there are.
History has proven that the greatest achievements have been made in the light of Non-political movements.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:21 pmyou let trolls dominate your thread and want me banned?
Comment by Fred
They are discussing, they are not trolls. You are insulting, you are a troll.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:22 pmEducating people with Thermodynamics. Heh.
Comment by Juan C. — January 4, 2008 @ 4:18 pm
I;m principly uncertain myself .
January 4th, 2008 at 4:22 pmLater…
January 4th, 2008 at 4:22 pmmas tarde amigo .
January 4th, 2008 at 4:24 pm“History has proven that the greatest achievements have been made in the light of Non-political movements.”
Yes, art, science, music, etc. can help bring about social and political change. For example, the invention of the Internet (No Al Gore jokes, please) has helped revolutionize the planet…
But it does not appear that you are uninterested in politics or don’t believe it can produce social change.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:27 pmI guess when the enviromentalist God, Al Gore, decided to have him on the ticket in 2000, his status as a democrat was pretty high. I mean, second in command is a pretty big deal Matt. How that escapes you is beyond belief. And that is proof enough. If you want more, it proves that you have no common sense.
Comment by Southern Man — January 4, 2008 @ 3:23 pm
dead wrong, as usual, southern pansy. Gore was forced to take Lieberman by the machine. Your knowledge of American politics is in line with your morals: very low.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:35 pmHey, I may turn out to be wrong — but between the Obama phenomenon and Clinton’s money and organization, I don’t see how Edwards fits in or makes a move.
Comment by Exley — January 4, 2008 @ 3:36 pm
well, you ignorant wingnuts said exactly the same thing about Clinton in 1992. so, keep your head firmly up your ass, it seems to be your comfort zone.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:37 pmComment by Exley — January 4, 2008 @ 4:27 pm
Ah, the age old argument over whether rulers, or “the masses”, effect change. The obvious answer is; both.
I think that here and now we are seeing a revolution (for lack of a better word) from the bottom up. We know our leaders better than ever before, largely due to the unprecedented multi-media coverage, and it’s become nearly impossible for them to hide their flaws. It’s become very hard for a politician to be a “larger than life” figure.
On the other hand, the “masses” have never been so involved, though, it’s hard to say how much control we really have. Yet. Having the sum total of human experience just a click away should change things up, for good. And it will become increasingly difficult to B.S. the voting public.
Despite the major, divisive, issues we face there is much room for optimism. We now have the technology to make Democracy work as we always wished it had. Let’s hope we rise to the challenge.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:43 pmYears ago I was at a very political friends houise in Vermont and on the refrigerator hung a picture of protesters standing on the steps of some capitol building with a caption that read , ” Take it to a higher authority . A small epiphany .
January 4th, 2008 at 4:43 pmChange of heart is without opposition , politics is ALWAYS one step forward two steps back . Lifestyle is more powerful a force than the vote . We , all of us , are both the problem and solution in this view .
He who has ears to hear , let him hear. Your shopping is a vote that even corporate America pays attention to . You vote at the gas pump and in the supermarket . Everything we do in this life affects the world we live in , for better or worse .
Thought , speach and action are our most powerful weapons in the fight for good.
We now have the technology to make Democracy work as we always wished it had. Let’s hope we rise to the challenge.
Comment by Impolitics — January 4, 2008 @ 4:43 pm
AMen brother
January 4th, 2008 at 4:47 pmComment by Southern Man — January 4, 2008 @ 4:40 pm
I don’t understand the preoccupation with Al Gore. He’s a private citizen (though he has an admittedly high profile) who is not running for office. Though this preoccupation will prove amusing in the run up to the general election.
Can you imagine the position the Rep nominee will be in especially if Hillary is nominated? The poor Rep, lets say McCain, will be running against three men, Gore, Bush and Bill Clinton; who aren’t in the race. I chuckle every time I think of it.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:50 pm#163….Interesting posting, Impolitics. Well said.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:55 pmComment by freeman — January 4, 2008 @ 4:43 pm
And an Amen back at you.
A perfect example is my policy on driving. Even here in the upper Midwest I only drive when it’s necessary. I suppose I fire up the gas chugger about three times in an average month. Mostly I walk or take the bus. Walking keeps the cholesterol and blood pressure down and the bus makes for great “people watching”.
And I can’t recall the last time I knowingly bought a product from China. I pay a little extra for socks, but, it’s not a hardship.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:57 pmPolitics in Washington will only change when something really bad occurrs. A major war, revolution, or natural disaster. It’s a network that cannot be challenged by the “machineâ€. We don’t elect who we really want. That’s why being elected president cost about 100 million. Keeps the smart and gifted little people out.
Comment by Southern Man — January 4, 2008 @ 4:56 pm
It’s hard to disagree, but, I’m being optimistic today. All that’s needed for change is a willingness to change. And, a more educated populace will, theoretically, make better choices. Hopefully this will include preventing some disasters.
Major war? We’re in one.
Natural disaster? We got them too plus some man made ones on the way.
Revolution? We just might have seen the first skirmish in Iowa.
For better, or worse, I think America will be a very different country in five years.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:06 pmI suppose he’ll want Bill (the bloody) Kristol to be his Secretary of State.. Do you suppose he’ll want Cheney to stay on as VP with him? For a little continuity..?
January 4th, 2008 at 5:08 pmI realize Giuliani suggested it first..
McCrazy and LIEberman. Just shoot me now.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:10 pm#163….Interesting posting, Impolitics. Well said.
Comment by Exley — January 4, 2008 @ 4:55 pm
Thanx. My New Year’s resolution is to be optimistic on Fridays, LOL!
January 4th, 2008 at 5:17 pm#174
“Thanx. My New Year’s resolution is to be optimistic on Fridays, LOL!”
Heh! Good luck with that….
My New Year’s Resolution for Fridays is the same as last year….Go to Happy Hour!
Have a good weekend all…
January 4th, 2008 at 5:20 pmTo #2
You said, “It’d be so ironic for a Jewish Sec. of Defense to permit, even encourage, Nazi torture techniques. We have met the enemy and he is us.”
You need to get your facts straight, McCain is against torture. He is not going to put someone in his cabinet that is for it. If you want people to respect your opinion try to be more factual and less misinformed.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:43 pmI’m an old school blue blooded demorcratic Fred!
Comment by Southern Man — January 4, 2008 @ 4:01 pm
This is a bald face lie and we all know it. You think we’re as dumb as your rethuglican friends you misguided jackass?
January 4th, 2008 at 5:45 pmJohn F. Kennedy.
And Teddy did it to himself, freman.
Comment by Southern Man — January 4, 2008 @ 4:15 pm
Effing liar, Souther Twit.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:47 pmI’m not Fred. But i’m willing to learn. Wink Wink
Comment by Southern Man — January 4, 2008 @ 4:18 pm
Sure, proven liar, whatever you say.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:49 pmShock and Oi Vey…
January 4th, 2008 at 6:10 pmIt is what it is Lefty. He was chosen by the “machineâ€, so the machine is smarter than Gore? I think machines knew Gore was going to eliminate them. That’s why he lost; machines= enviroment killers
Comment by Southern Man — January 4, 2008 @ 4:40 pm
Escellent proof of your lack of reading comprehension and general stupidity, SM. Very good. Who wipes you?
January 4th, 2008 at 6:16 pmYou need to get your facts straight, McCain is against torture. He is not going to put someone in his cabinet that is for it. If you want people to respect your opinion try to be more factual and less misinformed.
Comment by bob84108 — January 4, 2008 @ 5:43 pm
Are you talking about McCain, the cheap whore who came just short of giving Bush a blowjob on telkevision? that McCain, the ball-less sychophant who flip-flops like one of Bush’s fish? McCain, who never met a fact he couldn’t deny?
January 4th, 2008 at 6:18 pmEdwards has been my favorite candidate all along, but I’m afraid Exley’s going to end up correct on this one. Edwards is running behind Obama in South Carolina, Nevada, Michigan and California. He has no chance in New Hampshire. I think that now that Obama has had such a strong showing in Iowa, the black vote in South Carolina is going to swing his way. I think the corporate media’s habit of completely ignoring Edwards has hurt him badly and I think it’s too bad. I have noticed that Edwards’ rhetoric seems to have been pulling Obama to the left and I’m encouraged by that.
As far as conservative posters are concerned, I think we’ve got trolls and legitimate conservatives. Exley and Captain Mantastic, for example, seem to attempt cogent arguments in what is usually a civil manner and I think it’s good to respect that. But, what in the world is the point of even responding to moronic sociopaths like Frank M or Southern Man. They’re simply idiots – they’re not here to make an argument – they’re only here to provoke, so let’s not take the bait.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:18 pmBob84108: “You need to get your facts straight, McCain is against torture. He is not going to put someone in his cabinet that is for it.”
See, to me, this is part of what makes McCain such a sleazy weasel. He SAYS he’s against torture. He makes passionate public statements about it. But when the rubber hits the road he sits there while Bush adds a “signing statement” to his torture legislation and stares off into space like nothing happened. If he were really committed to what he publicly says, he would have complained when Bush neutered his torture legislation with a signing statement.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:22 pmAs far as conservative posters are concerned, I think we’ve got trolls and legitimate conservatives. Exley and Captain Mantastic, for example, seem to attempt cogent arguments in what is usually a civil manner and I think it’s good to respect that. But, what in the world is the point of even responding to moronic sociopaths like Frank M or Southern Man. They’re simply idiots – they’re not here to make an argument – they’re only here to provoke, so let’s not take the bait.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — January 4, 2008 @ 6:18 pm
While I agree, in principal, it’s hard to resist giving the “trolls” a little extra rope with which to hang themselves. I must admit I enjoy the image of idiotic, so-called, conservatives swinging in the breeze.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:26 pm“swinging in the breeze”???!!!! Dude, please, let’s not act like Christian Identity Movement morons. At best, they’re citizens with whom we simply do not agree. At worst they’re moronic sociopaths drooling over their Cheetos in their mothers’ basements. Either way, nobody deserves to “swing in the breeze,” but I’m sure you had your tongue firmly planted in your cheek when you posted that.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:38 pmmeanwhile Joe sits on the homeland security committee as chairperson and the violent radicalization and homegrown terrorist act threatens to make us ALL terrorists .http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19002.htm
January 4th, 2008 at 6:44 pmFreeman: “meanwhile Joe sits on the homeland security committee as chairperson…”
Just wait. Lieberman’s going to get what’s coming to him. When Dems take a supermajority in the Senate, they’ll strip him of every committee assignment, completely ignore him and relegate him to the dustbin of history. He’s already through and he knows it. That’s why he’ll jump at the chance to share a repube ticket as VP candidate. His big pharma minders are probably already looking for another whore.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:51 pmexley, Are you still in coma? You believe that technology will pull us out of our mess. People will somehow be encouraged to read and learn just because they can? We’ve had an incompetent and his puppeteer leading us on disastrous missons for various reasons: WMD, democracy, liberation of Iraq (oil), and general US hegemony. People don’t give a damn, regardless of the technology. Only when it’s on our doorstep do we care: loss on job, pay cut, loss of benefits, death/loss of limb(s) of a neighbor kid in Iraq.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:00 pmBy the way, in this war on terror, where are the enemy, are they AWOL? Or is the TSA doing a good job.
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That bill I brought up, if U read the house version in particular ,scares the hell out of me , and if it passes we may see the beginning of the rounding up of dissidents within the USA.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:02 pmTalk truth to power and end up in a gulag.
Southern Man,
January 4th, 2008 at 7:05 pmGore’s choosing JL as running mate was not a good one; it was a lousy political pandering move. I didn’t like him from the start – he may have once believed in Democratic values, but he betrayed anyone who voted for him.
My memory is not selective – in fact – I usually give people the benefit of the doubt, but JL has never been a god, never been beloved, and never strongly supported across the nation. In the end he even betrayed his Connecticut supporters.
Since we can’t find any in this country we will have to fabricate some .The violent radicalization and homegrown terrorist act will do this nicely.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:06 pm“swinging in the breeze�??!!!! Dude, please, let’s not act like Christian Identity Movement morons. At best, they’re citizens with whom we simply do not agree. At worst they’re moronic sociopaths drooling over their Cheetos in their mothers’ basements. Either way, nobody deserves to “swing in the breeze,†but I’m sure you had your tongue firmly planted in your cheek when you posted that.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — January 4, 2008 @ 6:38 pm
Well, it’s a bit of an exaggeration. Though I’m not averse to the idea of capital punishment for the traitors in power.
And it’s just a figure of speech when applied to trolls. The imminent rejection of all they hold dear should prove to be punishment enough. It must suck to be so wrong about so much.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:10 pmBritney Spears and Paris Hilton could be McCain’s Co-Secretaries of Abstinence – Syphilis/Gonorrhea/and Herpes Control.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:41 pm“Well…yeah. I’m a Republican and so obviously I would much prefer a Republican president. I don’t think an Edwards presidency would bring about the end of Western civilization as we know it….But he could inflict some long-term damage, especially when it comes to the judiciary.”
Are you kidding? Your lil Bush has screwed this country for years to come.
January 5th, 2008 at 12:43 amWho does McCain think he is pandering to? Lieberman? Libs don’t like him…Cons don’t like McCain…he can suck up to those 4 voters if he wants, doesn’t matter to me.
January 5th, 2008 at 2:41 amThe only country that Holy Joe Lieberman is interested in defending is Israel.
A good Sec Def would be Michael Scheuer, former CIA agent, would debunk Lieberman with no problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF4_oaTIH8g
January 5th, 2008 at 7:41 amYeah Liebermann would be a great SecDef if we were interested in the defense of Israel and not the US.
January 5th, 2008 at 10:01 amNow that will guarantee a loss for McCain. Hillary Clinton should be the next Attorney General. She has so many scores to settle that Bush and Cheney won’t be able to get out the country fast enough.
January 5th, 2008 at 4:13 pmMcCain Suggests Lieberman As Possible Secretary Of Defense
Dumb and dumber…
January 5th, 2008 at 7:18 pm