Media Talking Heads Gush Over McCain Loss In Iowa: ‘Big Hero,’ Maverick,’ ‘Babe Ruth’
Media Talking Heads Gush Over McCain Loss In Iowa: ‘Big Hero,’ Maverick,’ ‘Babe Ruth’
In yesterday’s Iowa caucus, Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) finished fourth — behind senator Fred Thompson — receiving the support of only 13 percent of caucus-goers.
The traditional media, however, proclaimed McCain’s loss a triumph, as pundits quickly jumped in to herald McCain and his “fantastic” finish. ThinkProgress has compiled some lowlights from the media’s gushing television coverage:
MSNBC’s Mike Barnicle: “McCain’s stance on the war. They view it because of who he is and the eye contact during these town meetings. He’s the Babe Ruth of town meetings.”
Fox News’ Greta van Susteren: “I can’t think of anyone happier tonight than Sen. John McCain.”
Politico’s Mike Allen: “Tonight is a fantastic night for John McCain. … He’s one of the biggest winners of the night.”
Newsweek’s Jon Meacham: “To me, the great story about Sen. McCain is, when in doubt, give principle a try.”
Fox News’ Carl Cameron: “Inside Washington, he’s been a real maverick outsider.”
Watch it:
D-day cuts through the media spin:
The fluffing is almost embarrassing. Journalists all over the country are doing the walk of shame this morning.
Look, McCain finished FOURTH. A win for Huckabee is not a win for McCain. It’s a win for Huckabee. McCain may take New Hampshire by default, but nothing he did yesterday prepped him for that.
As Atrios said before the results poured in, “If McCain is rejected by 82% of caucusgoers he’s a ‘big hero‘” in the traditional media’s eyes. (He was ultimately rejected by 87%.) Matt Yglesias has more.
UPDATE: Right-wing pundit Bob Novak joins the McCain train, calling him the “big winner.”
Sort Comments By: Top Rated | Date
Crikey. I give this spin a rating of F5.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:16 pmMcCain hasn’t stirred out of New Hampshire for months.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:19 pmOf course he stands to do well in a small state among hard core Yankees that he can drive around and visit all week.
This still smells like corporate desperation to me. The stench is so bad it is no longer deniable! McCain won? Mygod! how bad does that smell!?
January 4th, 2008 at 6:19 pmHe’s the Big Winner, according to the Big Liars.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:19 pmYep, war is peace, slavery is freedom, and ignorance is strength.
Oh, and McCain is the big winner…
January 4th, 2008 at 6:20 pmMan. Whatever these people are smoking…it must be good shit.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:20 pmAnd of course these right wing wacktoids will do anything to undercut some hick preacher from the backwoods…..
January 4th, 2008 at 6:21 pmMcCain McSchmain - this guy’s totally irrelevant to americans at this point. Calling him coming in 4th a “win” is gross hyperbole by media whores. The HUGE story today is how incredibly Obama did and the number of Democrats who turned out in Iowa. (Indy’s who joined them as well).
Gregor: Yes, As it was in Orwell’s fictional world, so the DoubleSpeak/Newspeak of Bush’s fantasy world has our own vocabularly bastardized to mean the opposite. It’s a brain screw on the american people. Thankfully, people are catching on and will no longer be duped by bullcrap.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:23 pmFortunately, no one gives a damn what these idiots say about McCain. Can you imagine any sentient being looking at the Iowa results and thinking, “Wow. McCain has got the momentum going now. I’m voting for the Maverick!”
None of these people want to face the notion of Huckelberry as the Republican candidate. No, no, no, not a real Religious Rightie! You never know what guys like that will do next!
So they generate utter and ridiculous crap like this, because their arrogance convinces them that people will swallow it. Even the dumbest hick on the planet will look at 13% and think, “Gawsh. That sucks!”
January 4th, 2008 at 6:24 pmThis is the reality of it: You can bundle up every single Repuke candidate and roll them into one package and they still couldn’t stand up to any of the Democratic candidates. The GOP is OVER.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:24 pmThis is pathetic. GOP leadership should lay down the law and tell Huckabee to quit. We need a serious candidate like Rudy or, maybe, McCain. Not a nutso like Huckabee.
Comment by Frank M — January 4, 2008 @ 6:22 pm
Damn right. No reason to let actual Republican voters choose a candidate. That would be like, uh, democracy.
Tough luck for the fascists, Frank. You may be stuck with a candidate that believes all the horsesh!t the Republics have been spinning for years.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:25 pmFluffers — excellent word for them.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:28 pmgummitch: The Gophers are between a rock and a hard place with their creepy gang of candidates. They have a wannabe guitar man-turned-bible thumper who hasn’t a clue about how this government runs or where the rest of the world is located - living in a total vacuum; a New York thug who was able to clean up the streets of NY with his mafioso connections and then had the taxpayers of NY foot the bill for his trysts with a mistress; a television actor who has about as much finesse and vitality as a toad; and then there’s Ron Paul…..the real GOP “maverick” if ever there was one. Paul doesn’t fit the Repuke mold though so they’re trying to eliminate him from the radar via Faux News.
This is the case of one desperate and diminishing party, once known as the GOP, who is losing voters by the droves because they can’t get out of their own way and continue to dig themselves in even deeper.
As I see it, this is a definite ONE PARTY ELECTION. The republicans don’t have a shred of a hope in 08.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:28 pmThis is incredible - only in Republican bizarro world would this be interpreted as a “big win” for McCain.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:29 pmThe pundits have their orders - Huckabee cannot win; stop him. They are required to spin this into a success for McCain.
Someone else can explain why Huckabee is so despised by his party leaders.
I know he is a Jesus freak who gets personal messages from God; a person who denies science because it doesn’t fit into his version of 6-days-creation; a person who thinks women should be subservient to men; an adult who still has trouble with geography and who doesn’t keep up with current events. He is totally unsuited to be president - but that didn’t stop the party from instlaling GWB twice - so what’s the deal with Huckleberry?
hey zooey! I like that - but remember those peanut butter and fluff sandwiches?? FLUFFER-NUTTERS might be even more apropos.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:29 pmI once heard that fluffing was a delicate term for breaking wind….
January 4th, 2008 at 6:29 pmPerhaps this is the beginning of the Republicans attempting to pull together behind the only candidate they think could stand a chance against the Democrat who will ultimately emerge. Clinton is a woman and she’ll feminize us all!! Obama has a scary terrorist middle name!! Edwards has a really spendy haircut and he’s never been a POW!!
I looooooooooove the desperation in the air…
January 4th, 2008 at 6:31 pmMarie: The GOP knows that Dinkleberry’s a loose canon - one whom they might not be able to control due to his level of fanaticism. He could awaken one morning and tell the world that the devil is actually George Bush. One never knows what may fall from his lips.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:31 pmThis is all very predictable. Edwards comes in second, 6 points behind Obama and “he’s through.” Clinton comes in a close third, 7 points behind and that tired old fixer Andrea Mitchell calls it a “stinging rebuke.”
McCain comes in over 20 points behind and it’s a “victory!!!” Romney comes in 15 points behind and “he still in it!!!”
Folks, we’ve seen this movie before. We see it every four years. We just have to keep talking about it, keep sending letters, keep letting them understand that we see them working.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:32 pmFrank M: And that’s the very first thing you and I agree upon - Huck’s all of the above but the last one is downright frightening. He is certificably nuts!
The first portion of your post, however, couldn’t be farther from the truth. In this election, the power structure will be handed back to the people where it justly belongs in this democracy. If Obama picks up Edwards as his veep, Edwards will cut the fascism at the jugular and immediately. There will never be a continuation of this path of destruction hatched and carved by the Bush administration ever again in this country or it will be it’s doom. That’s undeniable.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:33 pmIt’s fun watching the GOP field pretend they aren’t Republicans who will eventually need to convince America that Republicans are the one’s who can fix Bush’s Republican mess. McCain’s ass is still sore from the reaming Rove gave him in 2000 in SC.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:34 pmPlease don’t respond to a troll who proudly thinks that “the cause” and “the party” are more important than the consitutional system and the country. He might as well be a frickin Stalinist.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:34 pmThis is pathetic. GOP leadership should lay down the law and tell Huckabee to quit. We need a serious candidate like Rudy or, maybe, McCain. Not a nutso like Huckabee.
Comment by Frank M — January 4, 2008 @ 6:22 pm
Frank, your side voted for the Huckster. When you attempt to brainwash the brainless bible-toting masses to vote your way, sometimes you get exactly what you are pushing for.
Ironic, eh?
January 4th, 2008 at 6:35 pmI fluff in McCain’s general direction.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:35 pmIt’s alive, it’s alive………………..
-GSD
January 4th, 2008 at 6:35 pmCol. Jack: Can you believe it?? I find it fascinating that the largest corporate whores (the mainstream media) have become so transparent that they haven’t given ANY air time (except CNN) to the #2 Democrat yet give full air time (bullshit time) to the Repuke #4. Do they really think people can’t see them for what they are??
I’d love to see an Obama/Edwards or Edwards/Obama ticket. It would known the corporate fascist empire out into left field and be the one,two punch which will turn the lights out on the GOP forever.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:35 pm“Inside Washington, he’s been a real maverick outsiderâ€
Wha?
The inanity in the media is almost hard to believe. What in the world does this comment even mean?
Is that sort of like “this ain’t over ’til it’s over”?
Then again, Fox watchers probably did nod in agreement and will parrot this line certain they sound informed, no doubt….
January 4th, 2008 at 6:36 pmBesides, why isn’t the media talking about McCain’s cancer?? It’s because he wouldn’t last a term of 4 years, that’s why, with what his diagnosis is.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:36 pmI’ve noticed that the “librul media” has been avoiding the real story from Iowa. Dems outnumbered Reps by nearly 2-1. And Iowa is a fairly “Red” state.
The GOP is awakening to the fact they are in serious trouble. If this trend (2-1 margin) continues through “big Tuesday” the Goopers will be jumping off buildings.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:36 pmNow we can see the open anti-Christian bigotry in the Republican Party.
The money party hates Jesus!
-GSD
January 4th, 2008 at 6:37 pmNow that Giuliani will be out of the race, the reichwingnuts have to try to save McInsane - he’s Bush-Lite - and a continuation of the disintigration of this country.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:37 pmThankfully, people are catching on and will no longer be duped by bullcrap.
Comment by Veritas — January 4, 2008 @ 6:23 pm
I wish I could believe that. I am afraid I am too much of a cynic.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:37 pm“The government should FEAR the people; The People should never fear their government” - otherwise it’s not a democracy, it’s a fascist dictatorship.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:38 pmGregor: You can still be a cynic after the tidal wave of vitality witnessed by what occurred with Obama last night???
January 4th, 2008 at 6:38 pmthe mid-level loyalists in all the federal institutions
Comment by Frank M — January 4, 2008 @ 6:31 pm
You mean the folks who have held the government together through the debacle of the last 7 years?
The “roadmap” laid out by the current administration headed straight for the cliffs edge, and there are a lot of sensible and sentient people who have kept us from going completely over….
January 4th, 2008 at 6:39 pmComment by gummitch — January 4, 2008 @ 6:24 pm
So they generate utter and ridiculous crap like this, because their arrogance convinces them that people will swallow it. Even the dumbest hick on the planet will look at 13% and think, “Gawsh. That sucks!â€
Yup, in desperation! It sure stinks in all those rethug campaign headquarters (also known as corporate amurika.) Between now and November the public will be treated to the undeniable view of lunacy with the stench of desperation.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:39 pmComment by Veritas — January 4, 2008 @ 6:38 pm
That was encouraging, I have to admit.
But there is a sucker born every bleeding minute…. or made, I would add.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:40 pmImpolitics: The Goopers will be Gooping in their underwear by the time Super Tuesday rolls around because it will not only be a repeat of what we say in Iowa, it will trump what we saw. The people are angry and restless and want to rid this government of all republicans - and quickly!! They don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell…..
January 4th, 2008 at 6:40 pmReminds me of when Lieberman came in fifth in New Hamphsire and said he had won a three-way tie for third place. You can’t really say America doesn’t manufacture anything anymore, because they sure can produce some first class spin.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:40 pmDennis Kucinich and Ron Paul on TV TONIGHT!
Cleveland Democratic congressman/presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich will be a guest tonight on the PBS show “Bill Moyers Journal,†along with Texas GOP congressman and presidential candidate Ron Paul.
The topic will be one of Kucinich’s favorites: “the media’s power to benefit some candidates and disadvantage others.â€
The show is on at 9pm eastern, 8pm central.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:40 pmGregor: Perhaps I’m the eternal optimist but what I saw last night was not only encouraging; it was downright goose-bump time!! What I saw last night brought new life to this country; new life and hope to the soul and spirit of americans everywhere. Again, The People are speaking Truth to Power - People versus corrupt establishment and corrupt administration - This is the first step in a new direction for the people to take back their country.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:42 pmWrong Way Bush has showed his hand again.
He says the economy is strong, so we know that it is plunging off of a cliff.
-GSD
January 4th, 2008 at 6:43 pm#44 Thanks for the note about Kucinich and Paul tonight on Bill Moyers!!
January 4th, 2008 at 6:43 pmThe reason why the Huckster bothers me because 1) he’s not a GOP insider, 2) he’s hurting the image of the party and 3) he’s nuts.
Comment by Frank M — January 4, 2008 @ 6:31 pm
Yeah, but don’t forget: 9-11 changed everything!
The not-insiders are now the insiders!
The nuts are now the geniuses!
Men and women are the same sex!
January 4th, 2008 at 6:43 pmGSD: When that fool speaks, just picture the opposite! It works every time. Lies are truth to him.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:44 pmI don’t understand. Mc Cain did nix and he’s a winner. Well maybe. Just wait a few months when the economy really tanks. We won’t be talking about the threat of recession, or the Fed. lowering interest rates. There’ll be no where to go; we’ll be in a recession. The Cheney-Bush tactic of exporting our national debt by having a weak dollar will have been shown for what it is, a ploy.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:44 pmThen even the Democrats may be able to squeak out a win.
able as
cLara - Would you prefer McCain?
January 4th, 2008 at 6:44 pmTwo things from today:
1. Those TV talking heads don’t know jack about the results from Iowa!
2. Joe Scarborough doesn’t know jack about horse tack.
LOL!
Note to Joe: Horses don’t wear blinders, they wear blinkers. What a fool!
January 4th, 2008 at 6:44 pm#2 is impossible. Nothing can define or diminish the “image” of the GOP to a greater degree than the current Knucklehead and his troop of flying monkeys.
Frank, you’re a hoot!
January 4th, 2008 at 6:46 pmImpolitics: “I’ve noticed that the “librul media†has been avoiding the real story from Iowa. Dems outnumbered Reps by nearly 2-1. And Iowa is a fairly “Red†state.”
You bet they don’t want to talk about it. 2008 is going to be an absolute rout - a Dem in the Whitehouse no matter who they nominate and supermajorities in both the Senate and the House. There’s almost nothing they can do about it but they’ve got to try - their bosses demand nothing less.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:46 pmComment by Frank M — January 4, 2008 @ 6:31 pm
It doesn’t matter who’s the next president. The roadmap has been laid out by the current administration and it’s going to get enforced by the mid-level loyalists in all the federal institutions - the ones that are not political appointees and cannot therefore be fired when the administration changes.
Frank, Frank, Frank. This is a recent BushCo talking point put out there by a group of desperate cons trying to make something out of nothing. It doesn’t even make sense.
You are living the neocon dream, Frank.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:47 pmAfter a sample of the crap, I went back to watching paint dry.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:49 pmWrong Way Bush has showed his hand again.
He says the economy is strong, so we know that it is plunging off of a cliff.
-GSD
Comment by GSD — January 4, 2008 @ 6:43 pm
Meanwhile, the jobless rate hits 5 % and the stock market reacts unfavorably……
January 4th, 2008 at 6:49 pmWhere’s the pundits payroll window? I wanna step up and say that McInane did a wonderful job of pulling in a percentage of the Iowa faithful..
Where’s my check?
January 4th, 2008 at 6:50 pmThe roadmap has been laid out by the current administration and it’s going to get enforced by the mid-level loyalists in all the federal institutions - the ones that are not political appointees and cannot therefore be fired when the administration changes.
Comment by Frank M
I disagree Frank. As much idealism as they may have, they still need their jobs. I doubt very much any ‘mid-level’ anybodies are going to chance getting into trouble by maintaining the road map you described. They will be alone in a sea of new faces and new ideas.
Once Bush and his enforcers are gone, I suspect most everybody will simply make the necessary changes to their outlook and carry on. Most of those mid-level folks probably just went along with the flow because it was easier than fighting all the Bush appointees.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:55 pmAh, Frankie, Frankie, Frankie…it does my heart good to see you in so much pain! And, loverboy, it’s only going to get worse.
You Repukes asked for this when you (s)elected a Christofascist to the White House. Those poor clueless lemming-like evangelicons are just doing what they’ve been trained to do: vote for another evangelicon.
Hoist by yer own petard, are ya?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
January 4th, 2008 at 6:57 pmLast time I checked, 4th place didn’t even get you the bronze. I am unsure where this victory comes from.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:57 pmmemo to MSM: Hillary got double the votes as McPain
January 4th, 2008 at 6:58 pm- lucky
The people are angry and restless and want to rid this government of all republicans - and quickly!! They don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell…..
Comment by Veritas — January 4, 2008 @ 6:40 pm
True! But, weird things happen in politics and anger is unpredictable. Now is the time to turn up the heat and the MSM won’t do it for us. That being said, we most likely will end up with an election which is, virtually, uncontested. BTW, the huge Dem turnout is a positive indication for congressional races too. I think that chances for a major butt-whipping are pretty good.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:58 pmNovak is a blowhard, but if you read his article (Which I don’t honestly recommend. I’ll summarize so you don’t have to.) then you’ll see that he says McCain is the “winner” of the night because it was so damaging to Romney.
Overall, I would rate this article by Novak about a million times less damaging to national security than the one in which he outed a CIA agent working clandestinely trying to get information on the WMD programs throughout the Middle East.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:59 pmFox News’ Carl Cameron: “Inside Washington, he’s been a real maverick outsider.â€
“Outsider”? Wait a minute. I thought that Fox just said that the “populism” was bad for America?
We live in such confusing times.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:00 pmMaybe the sudden support for McCain from these media shills has something to do with the intimation he may have a position for Joe Lieberman to assume in his clos…. excuse me, cabinet………….
January 4th, 2008 at 7:01 pmThese comments make me wonder what interest vested these talking heads (or their bosses) could possibly have in a victory by McCain.
Could they all be really so blind to the very obvious? Why go out of their way to tout McCain? I mean, it’s not as if they don’t know what the results were, or that #4 is not #1…
January 4th, 2008 at 7:03 pmPay no attention to Frank. He has no idea how things work. He doesn’t even realize that incoming administrations always demand the resignation of ALL federal prosecutors and completely remake their Justice Departments. He doesn’t seem to understand that new Director appointees review the performance of mid-level managers in every government agency and fire those people they don’t like. All of these lame Heritage Foundation morons and graduates of Christian institutions masquerading as Universities will be out of there within a few months and they know it. By the end of the year, they’ll all be looking for new jobs. It’s over.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:03 pmThe roadmap has been laid out by the current administration and it’s going to get enforced by the mid-level loyalists in all the federal institutions - the ones that are not political appointees and cannot therefore be fired when the administration changes.
Comment by Frank M
Um, those “mid-level loyalists” have already jumped ship. Where do you think all the “leaks” are coming from? They are coming from “mid-level loyalists” who want there to be a country/government after Bush. Plus, those “mid-level loyalists” don’t want to end up swinging by their necks. I think we can count on most of them to choose survival over ideology.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:04 pm#45 Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 6:42 pm
When will the DLC wake up and realize Americans hate this war and they hate empire.
1. They will never “wake up.” They are the voice of corporate America, Democratic version.
2. Soon they will no longer control the Democratic Party. Their time of glory is passed (past, the 90s.)
3. They will no longer be the voice of the Democratic Party (unless Hillary gets elected.)
4. Their numbers and influence are shrinking as more true left of center Democrats challenge them in the primaries.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:04 pm“memo to MSM: Hillary got double the votes as McPain
- lucky”
Actually, since over twice as many Dems caucused as Repubes (in a Red state, no less) she got over 4 times as many votes as the sleazy old crackpot.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:06 pmFrank M STUOIDLY said:
You seriously think that the vote will mean anything? It doesn’t matter who’s the next president. The roadmap has been laid out by the current administration and it’s going to get enforced by the mid-level loyalists in all the federal institutions - the ones that are not political appointees and cannot therefore be fired when the administration changes.
The reason why the Huckster bothers me because 1) he’s not a GOP insider, 2) he’s hurting the image of the party and 3) he’s nuts.
Hee, hee Frank, See it is just like we have always said: Watch what a Neotraitor says about others, fore it is REALLY about themself. YOU are hurting the party. You are nuts, and you are NOT a GOP insider.
BTW, Not only have the ones who are “mid-level loyalists in all the federal institutions - the ones that are not political appointees and cannot therefore be fired” true Americans, but they have been there for their whole career, and are NOT Robo-traitors like you and yours. They, as someone else has pointed out, have been the ones keeping us off the rocks for the last 7 years.
You funny Frank M. I hope you rot in hell.
Have a nice day.
A Racist AVP came into my office today and started railing on and on about how terrible it is that the world will witness the U.S.supporting a person with the middle name of Hussein and a last name of Obama. What are you bleeding heart liberals doing?” was his cry.
I laughed and laughed and told him that no matter what we put forward, it will never match the traitor and nincompoop that unconsitutionally sits in the Whitehouse and was put there by an Unconsitutional process. A screamed him out of my office. Then I told him to tell the COO/CFO who is a big Rightie and has had conversations with me regarding chucklenuts bush, so I said “ask him how in all of his supposed great Financial wizardry can he support the person who has NEVER succeeded in ANYTHING he has ever gone into buisness to do? How can the GOP back a total loser like bushiit as their CEO. Any corporation would have thrown him to the curb in the first round of interviewing.
Seeing the wheels totally come off the GOP machine is so FU(KING great, I hope it runs you over Frank M.
BWahahahahah!
January 4th, 2008 at 7:07 pmEvery time I hear the appellation “maverick” applied to McCain, I am reminded of that exceptionally tinny, unstable, and singularly ugly Ford sedan from the 70’s……
January 4th, 2008 at 7:08 pmWe’re number four!
January 4th, 2008 at 7:11 pmWe’re number four!
We’re number four!
We’re number four!
Stand up and clap your hands.
Unless Frank M, you are actually, though not intentionally saying that you believe it does not matter who gets elected as CHeney’s shadow government will still rule the country?
I think not.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:11 pmEvery time I hear the appellation “maverick†applied to McCain, I am reminded of that exceptionally tinny, unstable, and singularly ugly Ford sedan from the 70’s……
Comment by Nevar
The MSM placed that label on McCain - but it is only a label, not a philosophy. McCain LOVES bush, and that does not make a ‘maverick’, it makes McCain a loser. Hopefully, because of all the votes he missed while he was campaigning, the voters will toss him out too. Clean house, now that’s what I’m talking about.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:13 pmSo, let me get this straight - Losing is actually Winning Big Time? Uh? What?
Oh, that’s right, it is Riech Wing Spin, got it…where black is white, war is peace, and all that…forgot about the whole RWS Machine in action.
Can’t wait till I check my bank account, a minus is really a plus, cool.
Buck Fush
January 4th, 2008 at 7:16 pmThe MSM placed that label on McCain - but it is only a label, not a philosophy. Comment by StratRat
Like I said, I am reminded of a cheap, poorly designed, and short-lived example of corporate incompetence…..:)
January 4th, 2008 at 7:16 pm#79
“Hopefully, because of all the votes he missed while he was campaigning, the voters will toss him out too.”
Maybe that is why Biden and Dodd dropped so fast. Get back to buisness boys. I also think they realize that Obama would need a a senior voice to help guide his candidacy and they (Biden especially) would prove to be great VP fodder. Might as well get out of the way and se if the VP chair becomes available and stop siphoning the DNC monetary supply and funding prospects. Let the Guilian911 keep squandering the GOP bases’ money. Go, Rudy go.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:17 pm” black is white, war is peace”
Money as Debt
http://video.google.com/ videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279
Watch it, it is great
January 4th, 2008 at 7:18 pmHere’s an illustration of what these hacks were saying before last night…
http://www.salon.com/ opinion/ greenwald/ 2008/ 01/ 04/ huckabee/ index.html
Disinfordesperation.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:20 pmI’ve noticed that Obama and Clinton follow Edwards on most issues. The Fox debates, for one example. I’d really like to see an African American or a woman as President, but not at the cost of maintaining the political status quo.
Edwards/? ‘08!
January 4th, 2008 at 7:26 pmcLara: “Obama is a DLC hack as well. His advisors are the standard DLC advisors - Brezinski etc, and he’s an imperialist just like Hillary, stating he’d bomb Pakistan, and talking about how we need to change the world. Let’s see how we’ve changed the world - illegal invasions, war crimes, corruption, assassinations, environmental destruction, torture, slavery… yes it all sounds soooo goood”
Both Obama and Clinton are moderates. They are NOT neocons. They both have had to make statements and votes designed to show the vast middle of the voting populace that they’re not radicals. Either of them would have a stronger EPA, either would cooperate with international treaties and neither of them would have attacked Iraq for no reason. Can we get a grip? Neither of these two, who are the most conservative of Dems right now, are even close to Bush and Cheney.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:27 pmMarcus: “I’ve noticed that Obama and Clinton follow Edwards on most issues.”
I think Edwards has been pulling Obama to the left. Obama’s rhetoric has been getting more and more Edwardsy which is a good thing, because I don’t think Edwards is going to be able to go the distance. He’s always been my favorite.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:34 pmI cannot back a candidate who still believes that it is OK to deny ANYONE their consitutional rights. Edwards and gays.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:40 pmcLara: “Mrs. Bill Clinton voted for the war. Obama has not made it clear where it stands on the war. He has stated he would bomb Pakistan.
They are both corporatists, imperialists and empire builders.”
Bullshit. That kind of thinking is how we got Bush. In fact, the more I see posts like yours, the more I think that sleazy conservatives are posing as disaffected lefties and attempting to syphon off potential voters for the eventual Democratic nominee. Go ahead and vote for whomever the Communist Party nominee fields this year. It’s a free country. If you want to be completely irrelevant, that’s your choice. But don’t try to act like an Obama administration would act like Cheney and his sleazy band of war criminals. That’s just unmitigated bullshit.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:40 pmright on, Colonel!
January 4th, 2008 at 7:45 pmcLARAbell did it, cLARAbell!!!!
January 4th, 2008 at 7:46 pm\******/
\*****/
\****/
popcorn anyone?
January 4th, 2008 at 7:48 pmI’m melting the butter….
January 4th, 2008 at 7:51 pmSorry, but I’m just sick of that absolutist nonsense. In 2000, I had friends who gave me that “lesser of two evils” crap with Gore. That’s part of why we’ve had 8 years of Bush. I don’t care if you vote for the Green or the Socialist Workers’ Party nominee or the Party of God or the Libertarian, but stop pretending there is no difference between Dems and repubes. At best it’s silly, black and white adolescent thinking and at worst, it’s a dishonest attempt to spread disaffection among potential Democratic voters. I’m just not buying it. But, have a nice weekend, everyone. I look for the Dems to rout repubes this year, end the modern libertarian/conservative movement, heavily wound the repube party and start a new era of progressive liberal policies similar to the early 20th century and the ’30’s. Let’s rock!
January 4th, 2008 at 7:52 pmIowa was not a good night for John McCain. The last time when he won Iowa he won based on the support of independent voters. This time around something like 70% of the independent voters caucused with the Democrats. I fail to see how that is good news for McCain.
Anyone who can say that the MSM leans left with a straight face has to be a sociopath.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:55 pmcLara, I’m not sure who you think you’re fooling, but you’re definitely not fooling me. I would say nice try, but it really wasn’t that slick. And, like I say, if you’re really not fooling, then good luck with being completely irrelevant this year. Stand back, feel good about yourself and watch the action as a bystander. It’s your choice and you’re free to make it.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:56 pmThis is pathetic. GOP leadership should lay down the law and tell Huckabee to quit. We need a serious candidate like Rudy or, maybe, McCain. Not a nutso like Huckabee.
Comment by Frank M
In Francine’s world, the GOP leadership can say jump and the person they are talking to will say “how high”. Maybe Huckabee isn’t playing their game Francine. Personally I hope that whacko Huckabee gets the nomination. He will be sooooo easy to beat.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:57 pmI am all for a Huckabee candidacy. I mean how much more screwball, and fringe can you get?
January 4th, 2008 at 8:01 pm#11: You seriously think that the vote will mean anything? It doesn’t matter who’s the next president. The roadmap has been laid out by the current administration and it’s going to get enforced by the mid-level loyalists in all the federal institutions - the ones that are not political appointees and cannot therefore be fired when the administration changes.
The reason why the Huckster bothers me because 1) he’s not a GOP insider, 2) he’s hurting the image of the party and 3) he’s nuts.
Comment by Frank M
Wow Francine, that’s pretty out there even for you. You actually think that low-level flunkies are going to be running our government once a Democrat takes over? You make a claim like that and you call Huckabee nuts! It’s you that has gone around the bend Francine.
I really wish I could be there when your head explodes the day after the 2008 election.
I pity you.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:09 pmI also hope we killl the DLC this time around too.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:09 pmI agree with Col. Jack. The most pernicious falsehood out there, is that there is “not a dimes worth of difference between the Dems and Repubs.” Witness Judges Roberts and Alito.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:10 pmcLara is not very clear-thinking.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:16 pm“not a dimes worth of difference between the Dems and Repubs.â€
Guilian911 Dem turned Repuk
January 4th, 2008 at 8:17 pmRombot Dem turned Repuk
Who else?
Guilian911 Dem turned Repuk
Rombot Dem turned Repuk
Who else?
Comment by 99Luf Balloons — January 4, 2008 @ 8:17 pm
Um…Reagan?
January 4th, 2008 at 8:20 pmThough how many REpukes turn Dem?
January 4th, 2008 at 8:23 pmBullshit. That kind of thinking is how we got Bush.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
From your post, it seems to me that you rather vote for somebody, whoever, is the most likely to win, than vote for somebody you would like to win. Is that so? Furthermore, Hillary stood firmly against the invasion of Iraq? Even more, did you stand against the invasion of Iraq in March 2003? Did you support going into Iraq? These are relevant questions looking at how much you defend Hillary…just because you don’t want another Bush?!
Well, but indeed you have a point, the corporations choose their people and they show them to the general populations as “options” in our sacred democracy. The illusion of people exercising their power by an election is pitiful.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:24 pmI can’t even think of one. So it is not so much that the two groups are the same, it is that the REpukes USE the Dem for cutting their politcal teeth, and then they sell out to the monied interest of the REpukikkkan party.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:25 pmThe world according to Reagan…
Govt. is not the solution…Govt. is the Problem
Allow the super rich to act unfettered and undertaxed , and the whole society will benefit.
I don’t see America’s middleclass buying it anymore. Bush..the Un- Reagan.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:27 pmBush..the Un- Reagan.
WTF?
Bush SON of Reagan.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:29 pmThough how many REpukes turn Dem?
Comment by 99Luf Balloons — January 4, 2008 @ 8:23 pm
Jeffords did and turned the Senate 50-50.
Zell Miller went from Dem to Repub, in his rhetoric and endorsements.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:31 pmJohn “Million Years in Iraq” McCain won last night? Oh, yeah.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:32 pmI can’t even think of one. So it is not so much that the two groups are the same, it is that the REpukes USE the Dem for cutting their politcal teeth, and then they sell out to the monied interest of the REpukikkkan party.
Comment by 99Luf Balloons — January 4, 2008 @ 8:25 pm
I don’t know what to make of the direction of the parties after last night. Huckabee?? C’mon. Again it is just Iowa though.
Had Edwards done better I’d say the Progressive/Far left wing of the Democrats is in ascendancy, but the Dems are much more likely to nominate Obama or Clinton. I think Obama is feigning DLC sympathy more than he believes it. I really think he is the most progressive candidate with an actual shot.
BTW, I don’t think it is bad that the middle 10-20% of each party is ideologically sympatico. It is that centrist group that allows compromise to occur and government to function.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:39 pmFacts don’t matter to Mathews, they have their dog in the race and it’s McCain , no matter how bad he does, they’ll come up with some kind of BS to spin .
January 4th, 2008 at 8:44 pmMathews too cowardly to have on a McCain rep. , he instead puts on editor of the Hew Hampshire paper that endorsed him , but he was willing to bash Romney and Huckabee , calling them ” slick and hick ” . The guy is a condescending and dishonest twit with a big mouth , LUCKY that NBC provides him a platform to spew his biased , arrogant comments .
I’m no Clinton supporter , however his attacks on Clinton are making him look psychotic .
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 8:33 pm
That’s quite a list. Do you notice how many of them are “Dixiecrats” who broke with the Democratic party based, largely, on civil rights issues? Heck, 40 years ago most of today’s Republican candidates would have called themselves “Democrats”.
Isn’t there an old saying, something like; “If I stepped on one of them I’d burn my soiled shoes”?
January 4th, 2008 at 8:48 pmThat’s quite a list. Do you notice how many of them are “Dixiecrats†who broke with the Democratic party based, largely, on civil rights issues? Heck, 40 years ago most of today’s Republican candidates would have called themselves “Democratsâ€.
Comment by Impolitics — January 4, 2008 @ 8:48 pm
An extremely salient point and one that goes a long way to explaining why African-Americans are so overwhelmingly Democratic when it was the Democratic Party that not only led the Secession movement in defense of slavery but more recently oversaw the Jim Crow south.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:59 pmComment by Keltoi at Night — January 4, 2008 @ 8:39 pm
It has been said that candidates court the fringe in primaries and court the center in the general election.
What I find shocking is that anyone is buying into the existence of a “far left” wing of the Democratic party. Even Edwards is about as “far left” as my right arm.
Heck, Hillary is more “conservative” than most conservatives. But, BillO and the other talking heads need to dehumanize someone and she’s “the chosen one”. It’s actually rather amusing. I get a good chuckle every time I hear, “Hillary Clinton and the far left”.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:00 pmTo today’s right, Nixon would be a communist.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:03 pmAn extremely salient point and one that goes a long way to explaining why African-Americans are so overwhelmingly Democratic when it was the Democratic Party that not only led the Secession movement in defense of slavery but more recently oversaw the Jim Crow south.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 4, 2008 @ 8:59 pm
Thanx. Though it’s fairly common knowledge, in my age group, that the party changed after the Dixiecrats put (R) after their names. For that matter, Northern and Southern Democrats never did get along. Especially after a certain Catholic President and his successor.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:06 pmThat must be why Condoleeza Rice switched.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 8:53 pm
I didn’t say they all switched because of civil rights. As for Condi? I think she smelled a winner and sold herself out. Or, she’s just plain evil. It’s a “pick’em”.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:09 pmMcCain takes a wide stance on the Iraq occupation surge…when he’s in a public bathroom stall he toe taps for another ’surger’ to expand the occupation.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:11 pmAnd, just a reminder, the important fact about yesterday’s caucus is the overwhelming Democratic turnout. Almost 2-1 in a fairly “Red” state!
Lot’s and lot’s of Republicans are busy updating their resumes and dusting off their law degrees.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:12 pmHow can this be viewed as a win for McCain on any level? Much of his hope in New Hampshire is based on his ability to attract independent voters. So, how did McCain do with independents in Iowa. While I don’t know the exact answer I do know that he was trounced by both Obama and Paul, possibly Edwards. No me this looks like the end of the line for McCain. New Hampshire will just be the final nail in the coffin. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out John.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:20 pmThe important fact about yesterday’s caucus is the repudiation of Hillary.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 9:17 pm
I’m not so certain of that. Iowans, bless their hearts, don’t like “uppity” women or New Yorkers. The shear numerical advantage, should the trend continue, means that few Republicans will be elected to the House/Senate.
I think the Dems could nominate a pack of rabid skunks and still achieve a “super-majority”. That’s an unsettling thought, but, I think that we need to risk it in order to start fixing Bushco’s mess.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:28 pmThe important fact about yesterday’s caucus is the repudiation of Hillary.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 9:17 pm
yes, coming in several points ahead of the nearest Repig is a real repudiation.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:31 pmHow can this be viewed as a win for McCain on any level?
Comment by DallasNE — January 4, 2008 @ 9:20 pm
It can’t, except for those who have hitched their carts to the GOP and can’t admit they are done. I’m, almost, starting to feel sorry for some of them. It must suck to see their “permanent majority” about to collapse.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:32 pmlistening to rachel maddow this evening, reminded of chris matthews
“and his crazy, spittle-laden coverage of Barack HUSSEIN Obama (emphasis on the Hussein)”
from the transcript:
Barack Obama, son of Kenya as well as America. With Kenya in turmoil right now, to be a son of that country, …
… a man who represents kind of a Third World view of the thing, …
just a few tidbits…
January 4th, 2008 at 9:40 pmfound on the spitball site:
CHUCK TODD, NBC NEWS POLITICAL DIRECTOR: Well, I think, […]
I mean, look, if Obama finishes second to Edwards, he‘s got the resources to keep going. And he beats Clinton in New Hampshire, you know, you see how this whole scenario could play itself out.
So—but, of all three, you know, she needs this victory the least. I mean, look, this was the campaign that eight months ago thought about skipping this thing. My guess is that some of them wish that they had skipped this thing. This never was going to be an easy state for them.
So, I think that, yes, I think they—they think that they can pivot from losing. But I will tell you, this inevitability thing, what message is it going to send to the rank-and-file Clinton donor in California, in Florida who really, you know, hasn‘t really tuned in, doesn‘t know how tough Iowa really was, and they wake up and find out she lost? Will they start…
(CROSSTALK)
MATTHEWS: Yes. What about them, who have been told by the higher-ups in the campaign, don‘t worry; the worst that will happen is that Edwards will win?
(CROSSTALK)
TODD: Right.
MATTHEWS: Don‘t worry. Obama can‘t win.
HA!
January 4th, 2008 at 9:46 pmThe important fact about yesterday’s caucus is the repudiation of Hillary.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008
cLara come out of the closet.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:49 pmI thought there was something familiar about that long list………………
Getting a little stuffy under that bridge?
MATTHEWS: Yes. What about them, who have been told by the higher-ups in the campaign, don‘t worry; the worst that will happen is that Edwards will win?
Comment by katy — January 4, 2008 @ 9:46 pm
No Tweety. The worst that could happen would be if one, single, neocon still has any authority after Jan. ‘09.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:52 pmGetting a little stuffy under that bridge?
Comment by Nevar — January 4, 2008 @ 9:49 pm
Ditto
January 4th, 2008 at 9:55 pmThe only age bracket Hillary scored well in was that of women 65 and up.
Two Body Blows to the Political Establishment
A Good Night in Iowa
By ALEXANDER COCKBURN
and JEFFREY ST. CLAIR
http://www.counterpunch.org/
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 9:53 pm
Bill had 3% in Iowa in ‘92. Hillary and Obama are no more neocon than Kucinich is. cLara is an idiot.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:00 pmStop the personal attacks NOw. State your opinion without attacking others in an attempt to silence them. You are no better than a neocon when you behave so.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:07 pm
You need to polish your act, troll. Or better yet, take it somewhere else. No one is fooled.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:09 pmStop the personal attacks NOw. State your opinion without attacking others in an attempt to silence them. You are no better than a neocon when you behave so.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:07 pm
Hey Clara, calling people neo-cons around here is a personal attack, so shut the f_ck up, and take your spam somewhere else.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:10 pmJinx, gummitch!
January 4th, 2008 at 10:11 pmComment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:07 pm
Might I humbly suggest you get off your high horse? If someone makes an idiotic statement, I reserve the right to call said statement idiotic. I may even indulge myself and call the person making said idiotic statement an idiot. Or not.
And no. I don’t think anyone with a (D) after their name is a neocon. In fact, the very idea makes me laugh.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:12 pmStop the abuse of people expressing their opinions. Stop personal attacks and profanity. You will not silence people any more.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:11 pm
STFU, you neocon stooge. This isn’t your North Korea. I’m expressing my opinions, freely. And, unfortunately, it’s not silencing anybody, not even you halfwitted wingnuts. You sling your shit, I’ll sling mine.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:14 pmStop the abuse of people expressing their opinions. Stop personal attacks and profanity. You will not silence people any more.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:11 pm
Friday nights have always been an occasion for the weakest of trolls, some of them quite familiar. Definitely the aroma of Doritos and Red Bull in the air.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:15 pmkilo, cLara needs your hankie…
January 4th, 2008 at 10:15 pmFriday nights have always been an occasion for the weakest of trolls, some of them quite familiar. Definitely the aroma of Doritos and Red Bull in the air.
Comment by gummitch — January 4, 2008 @ 10:15 pm
And, perhaps, a whiff of urine?
January 4th, 2008 at 10:16 pmI am not a Hillary nor Obama fan either. I am a NY’er too. I voted for her, but will not for Pres. I want a NON DLCer. The DLC needs to die. Die you fu(king piece of shit organization DIE.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:18 pmThe DLC is SOO pernicious that we have to resort to kiling our own to kill them. TERRIBLE organization.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:19 pm(Don’t ya just LOVE free speech!)……It’s friday night, and it’s kick ass time!…lololol. Thanks TP for putting up with us all.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:19 pmYou need to be banned from the site for abuse and personal attacks. You have said nothing of substance. Only attacked people with venom and profanity. You need to be banned.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:16 pm
Good luck with that, troll. Quit your whining, and get lost.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:20 pmAnd, perhaps, a whiff of urine?
Comment by Impolitics — January 4, 2008 @ 10:16 pm
Definitely.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:22 pmDid al you Hillary backers here get a little upset last night?
January 4th, 2008 at 10:22 pmCNN
January 4th, 2008 at 10:24 pm“If Clinton wins, would Justice Clinton be far behind?”
http://www.cnn.com/ 2008/ POLITICS/ 01/ 04/ justice.clinton/ index.html
You need to be banned as well for supporting personal attacks. You have nothing of substance to say, just attack people you want to silence.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:23 pm
well. clara, besides your own personal lies, all you’ve done is attack as well, so get back on your broom and fly away. go play with the repuke losers in iowa. third-place Hillary beat the crap out of Huckleberry, your winner. imagine that, your winner came in 4th!
January 4th, 2008 at 10:25 pmYou need to be banned from the site for abuse and personal attacks. You have said nothing of substance. Only attacked people with venom and profanity. You need to be banned.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:16 pm
I should get a frickin’ medal.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:27 pmDid al you Hillary backers here get a little upset last night?
Comment by 99Luf Balloons — January 4, 2008 @ 10:22 pm
I’ve yet to see a “Hillary backer” at TP. And “al” seems content to remain a private citizen.
How about you? Has the 2-1 turnout, in favor of Dems, sunk in yet?
January 4th, 2008 at 10:27 pmZooey
You need to be banned as well for supporting personal attacks. You have nothing of substance to say, just attack people you want to silence.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:23 pm
Why don’t you write Faiz directly and ask him to ban me?
January 4th, 2008 at 10:29 pmStop the personal attacks. Say something of substance. State and opinion that does not include an ad hominem attack on someone else. Just try to do it. Otherwise don’t continue.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:28 pm
And what, pray tell, have you added to the discussion? Perhaps you could enlighten us about the significance of the Dems 2-1 margin in a, fairly, “Red” state?
January 4th, 2008 at 10:30 pmThe 2- margin was from the Indys that came over Which is good, but it was not from the spontaeous combustion of dems in their basements. Get a grip.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:33 pmANd there are no Hillary backers…HAHAHA you guys kill me.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:34 pmI did
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:32 pm
Good. Let me know how that works out for ya.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:34 pmShould be “The 2-1 margin…” in the post above.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:35 pmDamn, I hate typeing on a laptop.
Zooey I always have thought higher than this of you.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:36 pmGet a grip.
Comment by 99Luf Balloons — January 4, 2008 @ 10:33 pm
Have no fear. I have a strong grip on reality and a grasp of events. If the 2-1 margin continues in other states? No more GOP. It’s just that simple.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:37 pm“The important point about the Iowa caucus was the repudiation of Clinton”
cLara
Well, I won’t go that far. I will go that many had other opinions regarding who they wish to lead us, which is counter to the selection of the DLC. THAT I will say is good. But, I beleive Obama and Edwards are DLC ers too, so the work is NOT done.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:38 pmI would have loved to see Dennis make a bigger splash, but the Iowans were too reserved for that.
“If the 2-1 margin continues in other states? No more GOP. It’s just that simple.”
100% PERCENT AGREE, and THAT is the end point of the totality of this dance
January 4th, 2008 at 10:39 pmZooey I always have thought higher than this of you.
Comment by 99Luf Balloons — January 4, 2008 @ 10:36 pm
Thanks, we all have our moments.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:39 pm1. he important point about the Iowa caucus was the repudiation of Clinton
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:36 pm
Recommend (0) | Report Abuse
2.Zooey I always have thought higher than this of you.
Comment by 99Luf Balloons — January 4, 2008 @ 10:36 pm
1. the important point about Iowa was the repudiation of the republican party.
2. Why should anyone care what you think about Zooey?
January 4th, 2008 at 10:39 pmThe important point about the Iowa caucus was the repudiation of Clinton
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:36 pm
That didn’t make sense the first time.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:40 pm“Why should anyone care what you think about Zooey?”
Comment by Lefty Patriot
Same reason anyone should give two shits what you think of me.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:41 pmAnd..???
whow… i bet cLara’s the type who, when a host/ess graciously tells it to “make yourself at home”, actually DOES…
newbies are funny… sometimes…
January 4th, 2008 at 10:41 pmthis one is probably just a new name though… same-o, same-o…
Actually, I’m liking this new mean streak from lefties. it’s about time we stopped letting these animals roll over us without fighting back.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:43 pmI think katy you hit it. cLara is more of a “newbie” to the site, but I do not think she/he is a troll.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:43 pm“Actually, I’m liking this new mean streak from lefties. it’s about time we stopped letting these animals roll over us without fighting back.”
Comment by Lefty Patriot
“There you go man…, keep as cool as you can, it take miles of files for you to believe, the web they weave, and keep on thinking free.”
January 4th, 2008 at 10:45 pmEveryone should know that this early in the game the outcome IS NOT ASSURED.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:46 pmThey thought they could sink Obama with December’s slurs about drug use, Islamic heritage and color. They backfired.<