Media Talking Heads Gush Over McCain Loss In Iowa: ‘Big Hero,’ Maverick,’ ‘Babe Ruth’
Media Talking Heads Gush Over McCain Loss In Iowa: ‘Big Hero,’ Maverick,’ ‘Babe Ruth’
In yesterday’s Iowa caucus, Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) finished fourth — behind senator Fred Thompson — receiving the support of only 13 percent of caucus-goers.
The traditional media, however, proclaimed McCain’s loss a triumph, as pundits quickly jumped in to herald McCain and his “fantastic” finish. ThinkProgress has compiled some lowlights from the media’s gushing television coverage:
MSNBC’s Mike Barnicle: “McCain’s stance on the war. They view it because of who he is and the eye contact during these town meetings. He’s the Babe Ruth of town meetings.”
Fox News’ Greta van Susteren: “I can’t think of anyone happier tonight than Sen. John McCain.”
Politico’s Mike Allen: “Tonight is a fantastic night for John McCain. … He’s one of the biggest winners of the night.”
Newsweek’s Jon Meacham: “To me, the great story about Sen. McCain is, when in doubt, give principle a try.”
Fox News’ Carl Cameron: “Inside Washington, he’s been a real maverick outsider.”
Watch it:
D-day cuts through the media spin:
The fluffing is almost embarrassing. Journalists all over the country are doing the walk of shame this morning.
Look, McCain finished FOURTH. A win for Huckabee is not a win for McCain. It’s a win for Huckabee. McCain may take New Hampshire by default, but nothing he did yesterday prepped him for that.
As Atrios said before the results poured in, “If McCain is rejected by 82% of caucusgoers he’s a ‘big hero‘” in the traditional media’s eyes. (He was ultimately rejected by 87%.) Matt Yglesias has more.
UPDATE: Right-wing pundit Bob Novak joins the McCain train, calling him the “big winner.”
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Crikey. I give this spin a rating of F5.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:16 pmMcCain hasn’t stirred out of New Hampshire for months.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:19 pmOf course he stands to do well in a small state among hard core Yankees that he can drive around and visit all week.
This still smells like corporate desperation to me. The stench is so bad it is no longer deniable! McCain won? Mygod! how bad does that smell!?
January 4th, 2008 at 6:19 pmHe’s the Big Winner, according to the Big Liars.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:19 pmYep, war is peace, slavery is freedom, and ignorance is strength.
Oh, and McCain is the big winner…
January 4th, 2008 at 6:20 pmMan. Whatever these people are smoking…it must be good shit.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:20 pmAnd of course these right wing wacktoids will do anything to undercut some hick preacher from the backwoods…..
January 4th, 2008 at 6:21 pmMcCain McSchmain – this guy’s totally irrelevant to americans at this point. Calling him coming in 4th a “win” is gross hyperbole by media whores. The HUGE story today is how incredibly Obama did and the number of Democrats who turned out in Iowa. (Indy’s who joined them as well).
Gregor: Yes, As it was in Orwell’s fictional world, so the DoubleSpeak/Newspeak of Bush’s fantasy world has our own vocabularly bastardized to mean the opposite. It’s a brain screw on the american people. Thankfully, people are catching on and will no longer be duped by bullcrap.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:23 pmFortunately, no one gives a damn what these idiots say about McCain. Can you imagine any sentient being looking at the Iowa results and thinking, “Wow. McCain has got the momentum going now. I’m voting for the Maverick!”
None of these people want to face the notion of Huckelberry as the Republican candidate. No, no, no, not a real Religious Rightie! You never know what guys like that will do next!
So they generate utter and ridiculous crap like this, because their arrogance convinces them that people will swallow it. Even the dumbest hick on the planet will look at 13% and think, “Gawsh. That sucks!”
January 4th, 2008 at 6:24 pmThis is the reality of it: You can bundle up every single Repuke candidate and roll them into one package and they still couldn’t stand up to any of the Democratic candidates. The GOP is OVER.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:24 pmThis is pathetic. GOP leadership should lay down the law and tell Huckabee to quit. We need a serious candidate like Rudy or, maybe, McCain. Not a nutso like Huckabee.
Comment by Frank M — January 4, 2008 @ 6:22 pm
Damn right. No reason to let actual Republican voters choose a candidate. That would be like, uh, democracy.
Tough luck for the fascists, Frank. You may be stuck with a candidate that believes all the horsesh!t the Republics have been spinning for years.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:25 pmFluffers — excellent word for them.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:28 pmgummitch: The Gophers are between a rock and a hard place with their creepy gang of candidates. They have a wannabe guitar man-turned-bible thumper who hasn’t a clue about how this government runs or where the rest of the world is located – living in a total vacuum; a New York thug who was able to clean up the streets of NY with his mafioso connections and then had the taxpayers of NY foot the bill for his trysts with a mistress; a television actor who has about as much finesse and vitality as a toad; and then there’s Ron Paul…..the real GOP “maverick” if ever there was one. Paul doesn’t fit the Repuke mold though so they’re trying to eliminate him from the radar via Faux News.
This is the case of one desperate and diminishing party, once known as the GOP, who is losing voters by the droves because they can’t get out of their own way and continue to dig themselves in even deeper.
As I see it, this is a definite ONE PARTY ELECTION. The republicans don’t have a shred of a hope in 08.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:28 pmThis is incredible – only in Republican bizarro world would this be interpreted as a “big win” for McCain.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:29 pmThe pundits have their orders – Huckabee cannot win; stop him. They are required to spin this into a success for McCain.
Someone else can explain why Huckabee is so despised by his party leaders.
I know he is a Jesus freak who gets personal messages from God; a person who denies science because it doesn’t fit into his version of 6-days-creation; a person who thinks women should be subservient to men; an adult who still has trouble with geography and who doesn’t keep up with current events. He is totally unsuited to be president – but that didn’t stop the party from instlaling GWB twice – so what’s the deal with Huckleberry?
hey zooey! I like that – but remember those peanut butter and fluff sandwiches?? FLUFFER-NUTTERS might be even more apropos.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:29 pmI once heard that fluffing was a delicate term for breaking wind….
January 4th, 2008 at 6:29 pmPerhaps this is the beginning of the Republicans attempting to pull together behind the only candidate they think could stand a chance against the Democrat who will ultimately emerge. Clinton is a woman and she’ll feminize us all!! Obama has a scary terrorist middle name!! Edwards has a really spendy haircut and he’s never been a POW!!
I looooooooooove the desperation in the air…
January 4th, 2008 at 6:31 pmMarie: The GOP knows that Dinkleberry’s a loose canon – one whom they might not be able to control due to his level of fanaticism. He could awaken one morning and tell the world that the devil is actually George Bush. One never knows what may fall from his lips.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:31 pmThis is all very predictable. Edwards comes in second, 6 points behind Obama and “he’s through.” Clinton comes in a close third, 7 points behind and that tired old fixer Andrea Mitchell calls it a “stinging rebuke.”
McCain comes in over 20 points behind and it’s a “victory!!!” Romney comes in 15 points behind and “he still in it!!!”
Folks, we’ve seen this movie before. We see it every four years. We just have to keep talking about it, keep sending letters, keep letting them understand that we see them working.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:32 pmFrank M: And that’s the very first thing you and I agree upon – Huck’s all of the above but the last one is downright frightening. He is certificably nuts!
The first portion of your post, however, couldn’t be farther from the truth. In this election, the power structure will be handed back to the people where it justly belongs in this democracy. If Obama picks up Edwards as his veep, Edwards will cut the fascism at the jugular and immediately. There will never be a continuation of this path of destruction hatched and carved by the Bush administration ever again in this country or it will be it’s doom. That’s undeniable.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:33 pmIt’s fun watching the GOP field pretend they aren’t Republicans who will eventually need to convince America that Republicans are the one’s who can fix Bush’s Republican mess. McCain’s ass is still sore from the reaming Rove gave him in 2000 in SC.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:34 pmPlease don’t respond to a troll who proudly thinks that “the cause” and “the party” are more important than the consitutional system and the country. He might as well be a frickin Stalinist.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:34 pmThis is pathetic. GOP leadership should lay down the law and tell Huckabee to quit. We need a serious candidate like Rudy or, maybe, McCain. Not a nutso like Huckabee.
Comment by Frank M — January 4, 2008 @ 6:22 pm
Frank, your side voted for the Huckster. When you attempt to brainwash the brainless bible-toting masses to vote your way, sometimes you get exactly what you are pushing for.
Ironic, eh?
January 4th, 2008 at 6:35 pmI fluff in McCain’s general direction.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:35 pmIt’s alive, it’s alive………………..
-GSD
January 4th, 2008 at 6:35 pmCol. Jack: Can you believe it?? I find it fascinating that the largest corporate whores (the mainstream media) have become so transparent that they haven’t given ANY air time (except CNN) to the #2 Democrat yet give full air time (bullshit time) to the Repuke #4. Do they really think people can’t see them for what they are??
I’d love to see an Obama/Edwards or Edwards/Obama ticket. It would known the corporate fascist empire out into left field and be the one,two punch which will turn the lights out on the GOP forever.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:35 pm“Inside Washington, he’s been a real maverick outsiderâ€
Wha?
The inanity in the media is almost hard to believe. What in the world does this comment even mean?
Is that sort of like “this ain’t over ’til it’s over”?
Then again, Fox watchers probably did nod in agreement and will parrot this line certain they sound informed, no doubt….
January 4th, 2008 at 6:36 pmBesides, why isn’t the media talking about McCain’s cancer?? It’s because he wouldn’t last a term of 4 years, that’s why, with what his diagnosis is.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:36 pmI’ve noticed that the “librul media” has been avoiding the real story from Iowa. Dems outnumbered Reps by nearly 2-1. And Iowa is a fairly “Red” state.
The GOP is awakening to the fact they are in serious trouble. If this trend (2-1 margin) continues through “big Tuesday” the Goopers will be jumping off buildings.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:36 pmNow we can see the open anti-Christian bigotry in the Republican Party.
The money party hates Jesus!
-GSD
January 4th, 2008 at 6:37 pmNow that Giuliani will be out of the race, the reichwingnuts have to try to save McInsane – he’s Bush-Lite – and a continuation of the disintigration of this country.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:37 pmThankfully, people are catching on and will no longer be duped by bullcrap.
Comment by Veritas — January 4, 2008 @ 6:23 pm
I wish I could believe that. I am afraid I am too much of a cynic.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:37 pm“The government should FEAR the people; The People should never fear their government” – otherwise it’s not a democracy, it’s a fascist dictatorship.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:38 pmGregor: You can still be a cynic after the tidal wave of vitality witnessed by what occurred with Obama last night???
January 4th, 2008 at 6:38 pmthe mid-level loyalists in all the federal institutions
Comment by Frank M — January 4, 2008 @ 6:31 pm
You mean the folks who have held the government together through the debacle of the last 7 years?
The “roadmap” laid out by the current administration headed straight for the cliffs edge, and there are a lot of sensible and sentient people who have kept us from going completely over….
January 4th, 2008 at 6:39 pmComment by gummitch — January 4, 2008 @ 6:24 pm
So they generate utter and ridiculous crap like this, because their arrogance convinces them that people will swallow it. Even the dumbest hick on the planet will look at 13% and think, “Gawsh. That sucks!â€
Yup, in desperation! It sure stinks in all those rethug campaign headquarters (also known as corporate amurika.) Between now and November the public will be treated to the undeniable view of lunacy with the stench of desperation.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:39 pmComment by Veritas — January 4, 2008 @ 6:38 pm
That was encouraging, I have to admit.
But there is a sucker born every bleeding minute…. or made, I would add.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:40 pmImpolitics: The Goopers will be Gooping in their underwear by the time Super Tuesday rolls around because it will not only be a repeat of what we say in Iowa, it will trump what we saw. The people are angry and restless and want to rid this government of all republicans – and quickly!! They don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell…..
January 4th, 2008 at 6:40 pmReminds me of when Lieberman came in fifth in New Hamphsire and said he had won a three-way tie for third place. You can’t really say America doesn’t manufacture anything anymore, because they sure can produce some first class spin.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:40 pmDennis Kucinich and Ron Paul on TV TONIGHT!
Cleveland Democratic congressman/presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich will be a guest tonight on the PBS show “Bill Moyers Journal,†along with Texas GOP congressman and presidential candidate Ron Paul.
The topic will be one of Kucinich’s favorites: “the media’s power to benefit some candidates and disadvantage others.â€
The show is on at 9pm eastern, 8pm central.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:40 pmGregor: Perhaps I’m the eternal optimist but what I saw last night was not only encouraging; it was downright goose-bump time!! What I saw last night brought new life to this country; new life and hope to the soul and spirit of americans everywhere. Again, The People are speaking Truth to Power – People versus corrupt establishment and corrupt administration – This is the first step in a new direction for the people to take back their country.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:42 pmWrong Way Bush has showed his hand again.
He says the economy is strong, so we know that it is plunging off of a cliff.
-GSD
January 4th, 2008 at 6:43 pm#44 Thanks for the note about Kucinich and Paul tonight on Bill Moyers!!
January 4th, 2008 at 6:43 pmThe reason why the Huckster bothers me because 1) he’s not a GOP insider, 2) he’s hurting the image of the party and 3) he’s nuts.
Comment by Frank M — January 4, 2008 @ 6:31 pm
Yeah, but don’t forget: 9-11 changed everything!
The not-insiders are now the insiders!
The nuts are now the geniuses!
Men and women are the same sex!
January 4th, 2008 at 6:43 pmGSD: When that fool speaks, just picture the opposite! It works every time. Lies are truth to him.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:44 pmI don’t understand. Mc Cain did nix and he’s a winner. Well maybe. Just wait a few months when the economy really tanks. We won’t be talking about the threat of recession, or the Fed. lowering interest rates. There’ll be no where to go; we’ll be in a recession. The Cheney-Bush tactic of exporting our national debt by having a weak dollar will have been shown for what it is, a ploy.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:44 pmThen even the Democrats may be able to squeak out a win.
able as
cLara – Would you prefer McCain?
January 4th, 2008 at 6:44 pmTwo things from today:
1. Those TV talking heads don’t know jack about the results from Iowa!
2. Joe Scarborough doesn’t know jack about horse tack.
LOL!
Note to Joe: Horses don’t wear blinders, they wear blinkers. What a fool!
January 4th, 2008 at 6:44 pm#2 is impossible. Nothing can define or diminish the “image” of the GOP to a greater degree than the current Knucklehead and his troop of flying monkeys.
Frank, you’re a hoot!
January 4th, 2008 at 6:46 pmImpolitics: “I’ve noticed that the “librul media†has been avoiding the real story from Iowa. Dems outnumbered Reps by nearly 2-1. And Iowa is a fairly “Red†state.”
You bet they don’t want to talk about it. 2008 is going to be an absolute rout – a Dem in the Whitehouse no matter who they nominate and supermajorities in both the Senate and the House. There’s almost nothing they can do about it but they’ve got to try – their bosses demand nothing less.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:46 pmComment by Frank M — January 4, 2008 @ 6:31 pm
It doesn’t matter who’s the next president. The roadmap has been laid out by the current administration and it’s going to get enforced by the mid-level loyalists in all the federal institutions – the ones that are not political appointees and cannot therefore be fired when the administration changes.
Frank, Frank, Frank. This is a recent BushCo talking point put out there by a group of desperate cons trying to make something out of nothing. It doesn’t even make sense.
You are living the neocon dream, Frank.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:47 pmAfter a sample of the crap, I went back to watching paint dry.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:49 pmWrong Way Bush has showed his hand again.
He says the economy is strong, so we know that it is plunging off of a cliff.
-GSD
Comment by GSD — January 4, 2008 @ 6:43 pm
Meanwhile, the jobless rate hits 5 % and the stock market reacts unfavorably……
January 4th, 2008 at 6:49 pmWhere’s the pundits payroll window? I wanna step up and say that McInane did a wonderful job of pulling in a percentage of the Iowa faithful..
Where’s my check?
January 4th, 2008 at 6:50 pmThe roadmap has been laid out by the current administration and it’s going to get enforced by the mid-level loyalists in all the federal institutions – the ones that are not political appointees and cannot therefore be fired when the administration changes.
Comment by Frank M
I disagree Frank. As much idealism as they may have, they still need their jobs. I doubt very much any ‘mid-level’ anybodies are going to chance getting into trouble by maintaining the road map you described. They will be alone in a sea of new faces and new ideas.
Once Bush and his enforcers are gone, I suspect most everybody will simply make the necessary changes to their outlook and carry on. Most of those mid-level folks probably just went along with the flow because it was easier than fighting all the Bush appointees.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:55 pmAh, Frankie, Frankie, Frankie…it does my heart good to see you in so much pain! And, loverboy, it’s only going to get worse.
You Repukes asked for this when you (s)elected a Christofascist to the White House. Those poor clueless lemming-like evangelicons are just doing what they’ve been trained to do: vote for another evangelicon.
Hoist by yer own petard, are ya?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
January 4th, 2008 at 6:57 pmLast time I checked, 4th place didn’t even get you the bronze. I am unsure where this victory comes from.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:57 pmmemo to MSM: Hillary got double the votes as McPain
January 4th, 2008 at 6:58 pm- lucky
The people are angry and restless and want to rid this government of all republicans – and quickly!! They don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell…..
Comment by Veritas — January 4, 2008 @ 6:40 pm
True! But, weird things happen in politics and anger is unpredictable. Now is the time to turn up the heat and the MSM won’t do it for us. That being said, we most likely will end up with an election which is, virtually, uncontested. BTW, the huge Dem turnout is a positive indication for congressional races too. I think that chances for a major butt-whipping are pretty good.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:58 pmNovak is a blowhard, but if you read his article (Which I don’t honestly recommend. I’ll summarize so you don’t have to.) then you’ll see that he says McCain is the “winner” of the night because it was so damaging to Romney.
Overall, I would rate this article by Novak about a million times less damaging to national security than the one in which he outed a CIA agent working clandestinely trying to get information on the WMD programs throughout the Middle East.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:59 pmFox News’ Carl Cameron: “Inside Washington, he’s been a real maverick outsider.â€
“Outsider”? Wait a minute. I thought that Fox just said that the “populism” was bad for America?
We live in such confusing times.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:00 pmMaybe the sudden support for McCain from these media shills has something to do with the intimation he may have a position for Joe Lieberman to assume in his clos…. excuse me, cabinet………….
January 4th, 2008 at 7:01 pmThese comments make me wonder what interest vested these talking heads (or their bosses) could possibly have in a victory by McCain.
Could they all be really so blind to the very obvious? Why go out of their way to tout McCain? I mean, it’s not as if they don’t know what the results were, or that #4 is not #1…
January 4th, 2008 at 7:03 pmPay no attention to Frank. He has no idea how things work. He doesn’t even realize that incoming administrations always demand the resignation of ALL federal prosecutors and completely remake their Justice Departments. He doesn’t seem to understand that new Director appointees review the performance of mid-level managers in every government agency and fire those people they don’t like. All of these lame Heritage Foundation morons and graduates of Christian institutions masquerading as Universities will be out of there within a few months and they know it. By the end of the year, they’ll all be looking for new jobs. It’s over.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:03 pmThe roadmap has been laid out by the current administration and it’s going to get enforced by the mid-level loyalists in all the federal institutions – the ones that are not political appointees and cannot therefore be fired when the administration changes.
Comment by Frank M
Um, those “mid-level loyalists” have already jumped ship. Where do you think all the “leaks” are coming from? They are coming from “mid-level loyalists” who want there to be a country/government after Bush. Plus, those “mid-level loyalists” don’t want to end up swinging by their necks. I think we can count on most of them to choose survival over ideology.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:04 pm#45 Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 6:42 pm
When will the DLC wake up and realize Americans hate this war and they hate empire.
1. They will never “wake up.” They are the voice of corporate America, Democratic version.
2. Soon they will no longer control the Democratic Party. Their time of glory is passed (past, the 90s.)
3. They will no longer be the voice of the Democratic Party (unless Hillary gets elected.)
4. Their numbers and influence are shrinking as more true left of center Democrats challenge them in the primaries.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:04 pm“memo to MSM: Hillary got double the votes as McPain
- lucky”
Actually, since over twice as many Dems caucused as Repubes (in a Red state, no less) she got over 4 times as many votes as the sleazy old crackpot.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:06 pmFrank M STUOIDLY said:
You seriously think that the vote will mean anything? It doesn’t matter who’s the next president. The roadmap has been laid out by the current administration and it’s going to get enforced by the mid-level loyalists in all the federal institutions – the ones that are not political appointees and cannot therefore be fired when the administration changes.
The reason why the Huckster bothers me because 1) he’s not a GOP insider, 2) he’s hurting the image of the party and 3) he’s nuts.
Hee, hee Frank, See it is just like we have always said: Watch what a Neotraitor says about others, fore it is REALLY about themself. YOU are hurting the party. You are nuts, and you are NOT a GOP insider.
BTW, Not only have the ones who are “mid-level loyalists in all the federal institutions – the ones that are not political appointees and cannot therefore be fired” true Americans, but they have been there for their whole career, and are NOT Robo-traitors like you and yours. They, as someone else has pointed out, have been the ones keeping us off the rocks for the last 7 years.
You funny Frank M. I hope you rot in hell.
Have a nice day.
A Racist AVP came into my office today and started railing on and on about how terrible it is that the world will witness the U.S.supporting a person with the middle name of Hussein and a last name of Obama. What are you bleeding heart liberals doing?” was his cry.
I laughed and laughed and told him that no matter what we put forward, it will never match the traitor and nincompoop that unconsitutionally sits in the Whitehouse and was put there by an Unconsitutional process. A screamed him out of my office. Then I told him to tell the COO/CFO who is a big Rightie and has had conversations with me regarding chucklenuts bush, so I said “ask him how in all of his supposed great Financial wizardry can he support the person who has NEVER succeeded in ANYTHING he has ever gone into buisness to do? How can the GOP back a total loser like bushiit as their CEO. Any corporation would have thrown him to the curb in the first round of interviewing.
Seeing the wheels totally come off the GOP machine is so FU(KING great, I hope it runs you over Frank M.
BWahahahahah!
January 4th, 2008 at 7:07 pmEvery time I hear the appellation “maverick” applied to McCain, I am reminded of that exceptionally tinny, unstable, and singularly ugly Ford sedan from the 70’s……
January 4th, 2008 at 7:08 pmWe’re number four!
January 4th, 2008 at 7:11 pmWe’re number four!
We’re number four!
We’re number four!
Stand up and clap your hands.
Unless Frank M, you are actually, though not intentionally saying that you believe it does not matter who gets elected as CHeney’s shadow government will still rule the country?
I think not.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:11 pmEvery time I hear the appellation “maverick†applied to McCain, I am reminded of that exceptionally tinny, unstable, and singularly ugly Ford sedan from the 70’s……
Comment by Nevar
The MSM placed that label on McCain – but it is only a label, not a philosophy. McCain LOVES bush, and that does not make a ‘maverick’, it makes McCain a loser. Hopefully, because of all the votes he missed while he was campaigning, the voters will toss him out too. Clean house, now that’s what I’m talking about.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:13 pmSo, let me get this straight – Losing is actually Winning Big Time? Uh? What?
Oh, that’s right, it is Riech Wing Spin, got it…where black is white, war is peace, and all that…forgot about the whole RWS Machine in action.
Can’t wait till I check my bank account, a minus is really a plus, cool.
Buck Fush
January 4th, 2008 at 7:16 pmThe MSM placed that label on McCain – but it is only a label, not a philosophy. Comment by StratRat
Like I said, I am reminded of a cheap, poorly designed, and short-lived example of corporate incompetence…..:)
January 4th, 2008 at 7:16 pm#79
“Hopefully, because of all the votes he missed while he was campaigning, the voters will toss him out too.”
Maybe that is why Biden and Dodd dropped so fast. Get back to buisness boys. I also think they realize that Obama would need a a senior voice to help guide his candidacy and they (Biden especially) would prove to be great VP fodder. Might as well get out of the way and se if the VP chair becomes available and stop siphoning the DNC monetary supply and funding prospects. Let the Guilian911 keep squandering the GOP bases’ money. Go, Rudy go.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:17 pm” black is white, war is peace”
Money as Debt
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279
Watch it, it is great
January 4th, 2008 at 7:18 pmHere’s an illustration of what these hacks were saying before last night…
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/01/04/huckabee/index.html
Disinfordesperation.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:20 pmI’ve noticed that Obama and Clinton follow Edwards on most issues. The Fox debates, for one example. I’d really like to see an African American or a woman as President, but not at the cost of maintaining the political status quo.
Edwards/? ‘08!
January 4th, 2008 at 7:26 pmcLara: “Obama is a DLC hack as well. His advisors are the standard DLC advisors – Brezinski etc, and he’s an imperialist just like Hillary, stating he’d bomb Pakistan, and talking about how we need to change the world. Let’s see how we’ve changed the world – illegal invasions, war crimes, corruption, assassinations, environmental destruction, torture, slavery… yes it all sounds soooo goood”
Both Obama and Clinton are moderates. They are NOT neocons. They both have had to make statements and votes designed to show the vast middle of the voting populace that they’re not radicals. Either of them would have a stronger EPA, either would cooperate with international treaties and neither of them would have attacked Iraq for no reason. Can we get a grip? Neither of these two, who are the most conservative of Dems right now, are even close to Bush and Cheney.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:27 pmMarcus: “I’ve noticed that Obama and Clinton follow Edwards on most issues.”
I think Edwards has been pulling Obama to the left. Obama’s rhetoric has been getting more and more Edwardsy which is a good thing, because I don’t think Edwards is going to be able to go the distance. He’s always been my favorite.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:34 pmI cannot back a candidate who still believes that it is OK to deny ANYONE their consitutional rights. Edwards and gays.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:40 pmcLara: “Mrs. Bill Clinton voted for the war. Obama has not made it clear where it stands on the war. He has stated he would bomb Pakistan.
They are both corporatists, imperialists and empire builders.”
Bullshit. That kind of thinking is how we got Bush. In fact, the more I see posts like yours, the more I think that sleazy conservatives are posing as disaffected lefties and attempting to syphon off potential voters for the eventual Democratic nominee. Go ahead and vote for whomever the Communist Party nominee fields this year. It’s a free country. If you want to be completely irrelevant, that’s your choice. But don’t try to act like an Obama administration would act like Cheney and his sleazy band of war criminals. That’s just unmitigated bullshit.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:40 pmright on, Colonel!
January 4th, 2008 at 7:45 pmcLARAbell did it, cLARAbell!!!!
January 4th, 2008 at 7:46 pm\******/
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popcorn anyone?
January 4th, 2008 at 7:48 pmI’m melting the butter….
January 4th, 2008 at 7:51 pmSorry, but I’m just sick of that absolutist nonsense. In 2000, I had friends who gave me that “lesser of two evils” crap with Gore. That’s part of why we’ve had 8 years of Bush. I don’t care if you vote for the Green or the Socialist Workers’ Party nominee or the Party of God or the Libertarian, but stop pretending there is no difference between Dems and repubes. At best it’s silly, black and white adolescent thinking and at worst, it’s a dishonest attempt to spread disaffection among potential Democratic voters. I’m just not buying it. But, have a nice weekend, everyone. I look for the Dems to rout repubes this year, end the modern libertarian/conservative movement, heavily wound the repube party and start a new era of progressive liberal policies similar to the early 20th century and the ’30’s. Let’s rock!
January 4th, 2008 at 7:52 pmIowa was not a good night for John McCain. The last time when he won Iowa he won based on the support of independent voters. This time around something like 70% of the independent voters caucused with the Democrats. I fail to see how that is good news for McCain.
Anyone who can say that the MSM leans left with a straight face has to be a sociopath.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:55 pmcLara, I’m not sure who you think you’re fooling, but you’re definitely not fooling me. I would say nice try, but it really wasn’t that slick. And, like I say, if you’re really not fooling, then good luck with being completely irrelevant this year. Stand back, feel good about yourself and watch the action as a bystander. It’s your choice and you’re free to make it.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:56 pmThis is pathetic. GOP leadership should lay down the law and tell Huckabee to quit. We need a serious candidate like Rudy or, maybe, McCain. Not a nutso like Huckabee.
Comment by Frank M
In Francine’s world, the GOP leadership can say jump and the person they are talking to will say “how high”. Maybe Huckabee isn’t playing their game Francine. Personally I hope that whacko Huckabee gets the nomination. He will be sooooo easy to beat.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:57 pmI am all for a Huckabee candidacy. I mean how much more screwball, and fringe can you get?
January 4th, 2008 at 8:01 pm#11: You seriously think that the vote will mean anything? It doesn’t matter who’s the next president. The roadmap has been laid out by the current administration and it’s going to get enforced by the mid-level loyalists in all the federal institutions – the ones that are not political appointees and cannot therefore be fired when the administration changes.
The reason why the Huckster bothers me because 1) he’s not a GOP insider, 2) he’s hurting the image of the party and 3) he’s nuts.
Comment by Frank M
Wow Francine, that’s pretty out there even for you. You actually think that low-level flunkies are going to be running our government once a Democrat takes over? You make a claim like that and you call Huckabee nuts! It’s you that has gone around the bend Francine.
I really wish I could be there when your head explodes the day after the 2008 election.
I pity you.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:09 pmI also hope we killl the DLC this time around too.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:09 pmI agree with Col. Jack. The most pernicious falsehood out there, is that there is “not a dimes worth of difference between the Dems and Repubs.” Witness Judges Roberts and Alito.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:10 pmcLara is not very clear-thinking.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:16 pm“not a dimes worth of difference between the Dems and Repubs.â€
Guilian911 Dem turned Repuk
January 4th, 2008 at 8:17 pmRombot Dem turned Repuk
Who else?
Guilian911 Dem turned Repuk
Rombot Dem turned Repuk
Who else?
Comment by 99Luf Balloons — January 4, 2008 @ 8:17 pm
Um…Reagan?
January 4th, 2008 at 8:20 pmThough how many REpukes turn Dem?
January 4th, 2008 at 8:23 pmBullshit. That kind of thinking is how we got Bush.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
From your post, it seems to me that you rather vote for somebody, whoever, is the most likely to win, than vote for somebody you would like to win. Is that so? Furthermore, Hillary stood firmly against the invasion of Iraq? Even more, did you stand against the invasion of Iraq in March 2003? Did you support going into Iraq? These are relevant questions looking at how much you defend Hillary…just because you don’t want another Bush?!
Well, but indeed you have a point, the corporations choose their people and they show them to the general populations as “options” in our sacred democracy. The illusion of people exercising their power by an election is pitiful.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:24 pmI can’t even think of one. So it is not so much that the two groups are the same, it is that the REpukes USE the Dem for cutting their politcal teeth, and then they sell out to the monied interest of the REpukikkkan party.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:25 pmThe world according to Reagan…
Govt. is not the solution…Govt. is the Problem
Allow the super rich to act unfettered and undertaxed , and the whole society will benefit.
I don’t see America’s middleclass buying it anymore. Bush..the Un- Reagan.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:27 pmBush..the Un- Reagan.
WTF?
Bush SON of Reagan.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:29 pmThough how many REpukes turn Dem?
Comment by 99Luf Balloons — January 4, 2008 @ 8:23 pm
Jeffords did and turned the Senate 50-50.
Zell Miller went from Dem to Repub, in his rhetoric and endorsements.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:31 pmJohn “Million Years in Iraq” McCain won last night? Oh, yeah.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:32 pmI can’t even think of one. So it is not so much that the two groups are the same, it is that the REpukes USE the Dem for cutting their politcal teeth, and then they sell out to the monied interest of the REpukikkkan party.
Comment by 99Luf Balloons — January 4, 2008 @ 8:25 pm
I don’t know what to make of the direction of the parties after last night. Huckabee?? C’mon. Again it is just Iowa though.
Had Edwards done better I’d say the Progressive/Far left wing of the Democrats is in ascendancy, but the Dems are much more likely to nominate Obama or Clinton. I think Obama is feigning DLC sympathy more than he believes it. I really think he is the most progressive candidate with an actual shot.
BTW, I don’t think it is bad that the middle 10-20% of each party is ideologically sympatico. It is that centrist group that allows compromise to occur and government to function.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:39 pmFacts don’t matter to Mathews, they have their dog in the race and it’s McCain , no matter how bad he does, they’ll come up with some kind of BS to spin .
January 4th, 2008 at 8:44 pmMathews too cowardly to have on a McCain rep. , he instead puts on editor of the Hew Hampshire paper that endorsed him , but he was willing to bash Romney and Huckabee , calling them ” slick and hick ” . The guy is a condescending and dishonest twit with a big mouth , LUCKY that NBC provides him a platform to spew his biased , arrogant comments .
I’m no Clinton supporter , however his attacks on Clinton are making him look psychotic .
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 8:33 pm
That’s quite a list. Do you notice how many of them are “Dixiecrats” who broke with the Democratic party based, largely, on civil rights issues? Heck, 40 years ago most of today’s Republican candidates would have called themselves “Democrats”.
Isn’t there an old saying, something like; “If I stepped on one of them I’d burn my soiled shoes”?
January 4th, 2008 at 8:48 pmThat’s quite a list. Do you notice how many of them are “Dixiecrats†who broke with the Democratic party based, largely, on civil rights issues? Heck, 40 years ago most of today’s Republican candidates would have called themselves “Democratsâ€.
Comment by Impolitics — January 4, 2008 @ 8:48 pm
An extremely salient point and one that goes a long way to explaining why African-Americans are so overwhelmingly Democratic when it was the Democratic Party that not only led the Secession movement in defense of slavery but more recently oversaw the Jim Crow south.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:59 pmComment by Keltoi at Night — January 4, 2008 @ 8:39 pm
It has been said that candidates court the fringe in primaries and court the center in the general election.
What I find shocking is that anyone is buying into the existence of a “far left” wing of the Democratic party. Even Edwards is about as “far left” as my right arm.
Heck, Hillary is more “conservative” than most conservatives. But, BillO and the other talking heads need to dehumanize someone and she’s “the chosen one”. It’s actually rather amusing. I get a good chuckle every time I hear, “Hillary Clinton and the far left”.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:00 pmTo today’s right, Nixon would be a communist.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:03 pmAn extremely salient point and one that goes a long way to explaining why African-Americans are so overwhelmingly Democratic when it was the Democratic Party that not only led the Secession movement in defense of slavery but more recently oversaw the Jim Crow south.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 4, 2008 @ 8:59 pm
Thanx. Though it’s fairly common knowledge, in my age group, that the party changed after the Dixiecrats put (R) after their names. For that matter, Northern and Southern Democrats never did get along. Especially after a certain Catholic President and his successor.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:06 pmThat must be why Condoleeza Rice switched.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 8:53 pm
I didn’t say they all switched because of civil rights. As for Condi? I think she smelled a winner and sold herself out. Or, she’s just plain evil. It’s a “pick’em”.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:09 pmMcCain takes a wide stance on the Iraq occupation surge…when he’s in a public bathroom stall he toe taps for another ’surger’ to expand the occupation.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:11 pmAnd, just a reminder, the important fact about yesterday’s caucus is the overwhelming Democratic turnout. Almost 2-1 in a fairly “Red” state!
Lot’s and lot’s of Republicans are busy updating their resumes and dusting off their law degrees.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:12 pmHow can this be viewed as a win for McCain on any level? Much of his hope in New Hampshire is based on his ability to attract independent voters. So, how did McCain do with independents in Iowa. While I don’t know the exact answer I do know that he was trounced by both Obama and Paul, possibly Edwards. No me this looks like the end of the line for McCain. New Hampshire will just be the final nail in the coffin. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out John.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:20 pmThe important fact about yesterday’s caucus is the repudiation of Hillary.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 9:17 pm
I’m not so certain of that. Iowans, bless their hearts, don’t like “uppity” women or New Yorkers. The shear numerical advantage, should the trend continue, means that few Republicans will be elected to the House/Senate.
I think the Dems could nominate a pack of rabid skunks and still achieve a “super-majority”. That’s an unsettling thought, but, I think that we need to risk it in order to start fixing Bushco’s mess.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:28 pmThe important fact about yesterday’s caucus is the repudiation of Hillary.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 9:17 pm
yes, coming in several points ahead of the nearest Repig is a real repudiation.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:31 pmHow can this be viewed as a win for McCain on any level?
Comment by DallasNE — January 4, 2008 @ 9:20 pm
It can’t, except for those who have hitched their carts to the GOP and can’t admit they are done. I’m, almost, starting to feel sorry for some of them. It must suck to see their “permanent majority” about to collapse.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:32 pmlistening to rachel maddow this evening, reminded of chris matthews
“and his crazy, spittle-laden coverage of Barack HUSSEIN Obama (emphasis on the Hussein)”
from the transcript:
Barack Obama, son of Kenya as well as America. With Kenya in turmoil right now, to be a son of that country, …
… a man who represents kind of a Third World view of the thing, …
just a few tidbits…
January 4th, 2008 at 9:40 pmfound on the spitball site:
CHUCK TODD, NBC NEWS POLITICAL DIRECTOR: Well, I think, [...]
I mean, look, if Obama finishes second to Edwards, he‘s got the resources to keep going. And he beats Clinton in New Hampshire, you know, you see how this whole scenario could play itself out.
So—but, of all three, you know, she needs this victory the least. I mean, look, this was the campaign that eight months ago thought about skipping this thing. My guess is that some of them wish that they had skipped this thing. This never was going to be an easy state for them.
So, I think that, yes, I think they—they think that they can pivot from losing. But I will tell you, this inevitability thing, what message is it going to send to the rank-and-file Clinton donor in California, in Florida who really, you know, hasn‘t really tuned in, doesn‘t know how tough Iowa really was, and they wake up and find out she lost? Will they start…
(CROSSTALK)
MATTHEWS: Yes. What about them, who have been told by the higher-ups in the campaign, don‘t worry; the worst that will happen is that Edwards will win?
(CROSSTALK)
TODD: Right.
MATTHEWS: Don‘t worry. Obama can‘t win.
HA!
January 4th, 2008 at 9:46 pmThe important fact about yesterday’s caucus is the repudiation of Hillary.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008
cLara come out of the closet.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:49 pmI thought there was something familiar about that long list………………
Getting a little stuffy under that bridge?
MATTHEWS: Yes. What about them, who have been told by the higher-ups in the campaign, don‘t worry; the worst that will happen is that Edwards will win?
Comment by katy — January 4, 2008 @ 9:46 pm
No Tweety. The worst that could happen would be if one, single, neocon still has any authority after Jan. ‘09.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:52 pmGetting a little stuffy under that bridge?
Comment by Nevar — January 4, 2008 @ 9:49 pm
Ditto
January 4th, 2008 at 9:55 pmThe only age bracket Hillary scored well in was that of women 65 and up.
Two Body Blows to the Political Establishment
A Good Night in Iowa
By ALEXANDER COCKBURN
and JEFFREY ST. CLAIR
http://www.counterpunch.org/
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 9:53 pm
Bill had 3% in Iowa in ‘92. Hillary and Obama are no more neocon than Kucinich is. cLara is an idiot.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:00 pmStop the personal attacks NOw. State your opinion without attacking others in an attempt to silence them. You are no better than a neocon when you behave so.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:07 pm
You need to polish your act, troll. Or better yet, take it somewhere else. No one is fooled.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:09 pmStop the personal attacks NOw. State your opinion without attacking others in an attempt to silence them. You are no better than a neocon when you behave so.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:07 pm
Hey Clara, calling people neo-cons around here is a personal attack, so shut the f_ck up, and take your spam somewhere else.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:10 pmJinx, gummitch!
January 4th, 2008 at 10:11 pmComment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:07 pm
Might I humbly suggest you get off your high horse? If someone makes an idiotic statement, I reserve the right to call said statement idiotic. I may even indulge myself and call the person making said idiotic statement an idiot. Or not.
And no. I don’t think anyone with a (D) after their name is a neocon. In fact, the very idea makes me laugh.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:12 pmStop the abuse of people expressing their opinions. Stop personal attacks and profanity. You will not silence people any more.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:11 pm
STFU, you neocon stooge. This isn’t your North Korea. I’m expressing my opinions, freely. And, unfortunately, it’s not silencing anybody, not even you halfwitted wingnuts. You sling your shit, I’ll sling mine.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:14 pmStop the abuse of people expressing their opinions. Stop personal attacks and profanity. You will not silence people any more.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:11 pm
Friday nights have always been an occasion for the weakest of trolls, some of them quite familiar. Definitely the aroma of Doritos and Red Bull in the air.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:15 pmkilo, cLara needs your hankie…
January 4th, 2008 at 10:15 pmFriday nights have always been an occasion for the weakest of trolls, some of them quite familiar. Definitely the aroma of Doritos and Red Bull in the air.
Comment by gummitch — January 4, 2008 @ 10:15 pm
And, perhaps, a whiff of urine?
January 4th, 2008 at 10:16 pmI am not a Hillary nor Obama fan either. I am a NY’er too. I voted for her, but will not for Pres. I want a NON DLCer. The DLC needs to die. Die you fu(king piece of shit organization DIE.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:18 pmThe DLC is SOO pernicious that we have to resort to kiling our own to kill them. TERRIBLE organization.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:19 pm(Don’t ya just LOVE free speech!)……It’s friday night, and it’s kick ass time!…lololol. Thanks TP for putting up with us all.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:19 pmYou need to be banned from the site for abuse and personal attacks. You have said nothing of substance. Only attacked people with venom and profanity. You need to be banned.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:16 pm
Good luck with that, troll. Quit your whining, and get lost.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:20 pmAnd, perhaps, a whiff of urine?
Comment by Impolitics — January 4, 2008 @ 10:16 pm
Definitely.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:22 pmDid al you Hillary backers here get a little upset last night?
January 4th, 2008 at 10:22 pmCNN
January 4th, 2008 at 10:24 pm“If Clinton wins, would Justice Clinton be far behind?”
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/04/justice.clinton/index.html
You need to be banned as well for supporting personal attacks. You have nothing of substance to say, just attack people you want to silence.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:23 pm
well. clara, besides your own personal lies, all you’ve done is attack as well, so get back on your broom and fly away. go play with the repuke losers in iowa. third-place Hillary beat the crap out of Huckleberry, your winner. imagine that, your winner came in 4th!
January 4th, 2008 at 10:25 pmYou need to be banned from the site for abuse and personal attacks. You have said nothing of substance. Only attacked people with venom and profanity. You need to be banned.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:16 pm
I should get a frickin’ medal.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:27 pmDid al you Hillary backers here get a little upset last night?
Comment by 99Luf Balloons — January 4, 2008 @ 10:22 pm
I’ve yet to see a “Hillary backer” at TP. And “al” seems content to remain a private citizen.
How about you? Has the 2-1 turnout, in favor of Dems, sunk in yet?
January 4th, 2008 at 10:27 pmZooey
You need to be banned as well for supporting personal attacks. You have nothing of substance to say, just attack people you want to silence.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:23 pm
Why don’t you write Faiz directly and ask him to ban me?
January 4th, 2008 at 10:29 pmStop the personal attacks. Say something of substance. State and opinion that does not include an ad hominem attack on someone else. Just try to do it. Otherwise don’t continue.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:28 pm
And what, pray tell, have you added to the discussion? Perhaps you could enlighten us about the significance of the Dems 2-1 margin in a, fairly, “Red” state?
January 4th, 2008 at 10:30 pmThe 2- margin was from the Indys that came over Which is good, but it was not from the spontaeous combustion of dems in their basements. Get a grip.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:33 pmANd there are no Hillary backers…HAHAHA you guys kill me.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:34 pmI did
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:32 pm
Good. Let me know how that works out for ya.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:34 pmShould be “The 2-1 margin…” in the post above.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:35 pmDamn, I hate typeing on a laptop.
Zooey I always have thought higher than this of you.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:36 pmGet a grip.
Comment by 99Luf Balloons — January 4, 2008 @ 10:33 pm
Have no fear. I have a strong grip on reality and a grasp of events. If the 2-1 margin continues in other states? No more GOP. It’s just that simple.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:37 pm“The important point about the Iowa caucus was the repudiation of Clinton”
cLara
Well, I won’t go that far. I will go that many had other opinions regarding who they wish to lead us, which is counter to the selection of the DLC. THAT I will say is good. But, I beleive Obama and Edwards are DLC ers too, so the work is NOT done.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:38 pmI would have loved to see Dennis make a bigger splash, but the Iowans were too reserved for that.
“If the 2-1 margin continues in other states? No more GOP. It’s just that simple.”
100% PERCENT AGREE, and THAT is the end point of the totality of this dance
January 4th, 2008 at 10:39 pmZooey I always have thought higher than this of you.
Comment by 99Luf Balloons — January 4, 2008 @ 10:36 pm
Thanks, we all have our moments.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:39 pm1. he important point about the Iowa caucus was the repudiation of Clinton
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:36 pm
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2.Zooey I always have thought higher than this of you.
Comment by 99Luf Balloons — January 4, 2008 @ 10:36 pm
1. the important point about Iowa was the repudiation of the republican party.
2. Why should anyone care what you think about Zooey?
January 4th, 2008 at 10:39 pmThe important point about the Iowa caucus was the repudiation of Clinton
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:36 pm
That didn’t make sense the first time.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:40 pm“Why should anyone care what you think about Zooey?”
Comment by Lefty Patriot
Same reason anyone should give two shits what you think of me.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:41 pmAnd..???
whow… i bet cLara’s the type who, when a host/ess graciously tells it to “make yourself at home”, actually DOES…
newbies are funny… sometimes…
January 4th, 2008 at 10:41 pmthis one is probably just a new name though… same-o, same-o…
Actually, I’m liking this new mean streak from lefties. it’s about time we stopped letting these animals roll over us without fighting back.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:43 pmI think katy you hit it. cLara is more of a “newbie” to the site, but I do not think she/he is a troll.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:43 pm“Actually, I’m liking this new mean streak from lefties. it’s about time we stopped letting these animals roll over us without fighting back.”
Comment by Lefty Patriot
“There you go man…, keep as cool as you can, it take miles of files for you to believe, the web they weave, and keep on thinking free.”
January 4th, 2008 at 10:45 pmEveryone should know that this early in the game the outcome IS NOT ASSURED.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:46 pmThey thought they could sink Obama with December’s slurs about drug use, Islamic heritage and color. They backfired.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:43 pm
what a bunch of hooey. those radicals over there have always hated the Clintons, so this is no surprise, but that was no crushing defeat, either. it was certainly a crushing defeat of Huckabeebee, but Bill Clinton had only 3% of the Iowa vote in 92, and ended up crushing GHW Bush. While I’m not favoring Hillary, I know that only fools will count her out this early, after one white-bread caucus in the middle of nowhere, which will be forgotten in two weeks.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:46 pmActually, I’m liking this new mean streak from lefties. it’s about time we stopped letting these animals roll over us without fighting back.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — January 4, 2008 @ 10:43 pm
I’m just feeling less patient with the whiny and the dim-witted. Believe me, when I say that, it’s saying a lot. I am the most patient person you might ever meet. But after 7 years of bullshit, i’ve had it.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:46 pmAnd..???
Comment by 99Luf Balloons — January 4, 2008 @ 10:41 pm
merely pointing out your pointlessness on that particular subject. you sounded like cLara for a second.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:48 pm“what a bunch of hooey. those radicals over there have always hated the Clintons, so this is no surprise, but that was no crushing defeat, either. it was certainly a crushing defeat of Huckabeebee, but Bill Clinton had only 3% of the Iowa vote in 92, and ended up crushing GHW Bush. While I’m not favoring Hillary, I know that only fools will count her out this early, after one white-bread caucus in the middle of nowhere, which will be forgotten in two weeks.”
Comment by Lefty Patriot
I agree that it was not as earth shattering as the Hilary haters make it out to be. I am a DLC hater. I want them DEAD, DEAD, DEAD. If Hillary repudiated them tomorrow, I would be hillary backer.
It is REALLY a good sign for everyone to have people who are leftys, and supposedly the love and peace group, stand up and kick the shit out of some of them. I can’t wait to lay waste to Rudy. Oh Man will that be fun. Rudy 911illani
January 4th, 2008 at 10:51 pmEveryone who posts here has the right to express an opinion without being verbally assaulted.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:48 pm
hankie! hankie for cLara!
Jesus, grow up. This isn’t the social club. And you lie about having been around for years. And nobody’s trying to silence you, unless you will be silenced by being embarrassed. That would be a blessing, but I don’t expect it to happen, given your unawareness.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:51 pmComment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:48 pm
You’ve been around for years? why are you masquerading under a different name? What was your old name (s)?
January 4th, 2008 at 10:52 pm“Everyone who posts here has the right to express an opinion without being verbally assaulted.
Comment by cLara
I agree. (except for those trolls that come here to disrupt like Mr P, and Francine M, and Manslaw, and The multitudes of others that disrupt. )
January 4th, 2008 at 10:53 pmI’ve had it too with your abuse and vicious attacks.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:51 pm
I told you, get on your broom and go. there must be a self-abuser’s forum somewhere that will welcome you with open hankies.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:53 pmThe best thing about the Iowa caucus was the repudiation of Hillary
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:52 pm
The best thing about the Iowa caucus was the embarrassment of the Republican party, who even the evil Hillary was far ahead of. Some repudiation, she bested huckabee by 7 points or more..
January 4th, 2008 at 10:55 pmcLara @ 10:48 pm
it’s RACHEL!!! hey there! how are the meds doing?!
please keep it together now… enjoy the conversation…
jus’ funnin’ … ;-)
January 4th, 2008 at 10:55 pmBut cLara you DOOO keep changing the topic to just how great of a night is was because HC got “trounced.” So maybe give it a rest for now?
January 4th, 2008 at 10:55 pmI’ve had it too with your abuse and vicious attacks.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:51 pm
Point out my “vicious” attack.
I already talked about the issue — the media are fluffers. ‘nuf said.
Why are you such a whiner? If you’ve been around here for years, then you know how things go. What were your previous names? Have you been banned?
January 4th, 2008 at 10:56 pmYour misogyny is showing. Try discussing the topic on the site instead of making insulting comments towards women. You assume I’m a woman by my handle. What does that say about you.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:54 pm
Why do you assume that? I don’t care what sex you are; perhaps you’re the one trapped by stereotypes. You’re really very stupid. are you a republican? If not, you should be.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:57 pmBut cLara you DOOO keep changing the topic to just how great of a night is was because HC got “trounced.†So maybe give it a rest for now?
Comment by 99Luf Balloons — January 4, 2008 @ 10:55 pm
Uh oh, “vicious” attack.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:58 pmZoo,
Banning is not just done to trolls here on TP. I have been banned before, And as I write this maybe this will be the last I can post. I have been:
Bush is a Traitor
Boddhitsattva
among others.
But got banned for making inflamatory posts regarding things I want to do to Bush, NSA or others.
So maybe the term “banned” is not all it cracks up to mean.
I am sure this will kill me here. Maybe ,maybe not. I am staying on my meds, I promise.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:00 pmTry expressing an opinion about the topic and stop attacking people personally.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:59 pm
Lordy, you do love to tell people what to do. Lookie here.
Now quit whining.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:02 pmI would like Kucinich to get the nomination. I would like to see Kucinich debate Ron Paul.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:57 pm
aha, a whack job. Excellent. I knew we were right about you.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:03 pmI am sure this will kill me here. Maybe ,maybe not. I am staying on my meds, I promise.
Comment by 99Luf Balloons — January 4, 2008 @ 11:00 pm
I thought your style looked familiar. :)
I know, not only trolls get “banned.” You’re doing a great job.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:03 pm“You’re doing a great job.”
At getting banned, or keeping an even keel?
January 4th, 2008 at 11:05 pmZooey
Stop attacking me
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 11:03 pm
You’ve never been attacked by me. And you never will, because while you are stupid and annoying, you are merely a concern troll — worthy only of disdain and heckling.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:05 pmI would like Kucinich to get the nomination. I would like to see Kucinich debate Ron Paul.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:57 pm
I wouldn’t hold my breath. For better, or worse, a match up between Elvis and John Lennon is just as likely.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:05 pmAt getting banned, or keeping an even keel?
Comment by 99Luf Balloons — January 4, 2008 @ 11:05 pm
Apparently both! :-D
January 4th, 2008 at 11:06 pm“Kucinich vs Ron Paul ”
No one would sponsor it, nor watch it. They have been marginalized by the MSM, and that is the way it goes. They need a bigger splash earlier next time around. Go pass it on.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:07 pmI wouldn’t hold my breath. For better, or worse, a match up between Elvis and John Lennon is just as likely.
Comment by Impolitics — January 4, 2008 @ 11:05 pm
Kucinich would cream Paul.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:08 pmApparently both! :-D
I really thought the DIE DLC DIE coments would get me kicked.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:08 pm“You’re doing a great job.â€
At getting banned, or keeping an even keel?
Comment by 99Luf Balloons — January 4, 2008 @ 11:05 pm
No problems from me. It’s HARD to control the rage when so much is effed up. And so many seem bent on effing up what isn’t effed up yet.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:10 pmZooey, your very post where you say you never attacked me is an attack. When you call people stupid and annoying – that’s an attack. It’s called an ad hominem attack. It is not an argument. It is not acceptable. Stop doing that.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 11:08 pm
Waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
Stop whining. I’m feeling attacked.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:10 pmNow cLara if you put forth the notion of NPR or PBS having one on one debates for those remaining standing after point X in this dance, then we could have a conversation. But to just wish for it, it ain’t gonna happen.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:11 pmBuild it, and they will come.
I really thought the DIE DLC DIE coments would get me kicked.
Comment by 99Luf Balloons — January 4, 2008 @ 11:08 pm
then don’t do that!
January 4th, 2008 at 11:12 pmWaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
Stop whining. I’m feeling attacked.
Zooey, that is very Republican of you.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:12 pmWhen you call people stupid and annoying – that’s an attack. It’s called an ad hominem attack. It is not an argument. It is not acceptable. Stop doing that.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 11:08 pm
Stating facts is in no way an ad hominem attack. You are both stupid and annoying. That’s not an attack. It’s merely pointing out your most obvious character flaws. It’s not only acceptable, but seems to be quite popular at the moment. Too bad for you.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:13 pmthen don’t do that!
I M-U-S-T, I C-A-N-N-O-T R-E-S-I-S-T
January 4th, 2008 at 11:13 pmI hate the mofos too much.
Getting a little stuffy under that bridge?
Comment by Nevar — January 4, 2008 @ 9:49 pm
Ditto
Comment by Zooey — January 4, 2008 @ 9:55 pm
Is this rachel or vv or another troll I don’t remember?
January 4th, 2008 at 11:14 pmZooey – good job. You have expressed an opinion that did not involve a personal attack.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 11:12 pm
Get bent.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:14 pmZooey, that is very Republican of you.
Comment by 99Luf Balloons — January 4, 2008 @ 11:12 pm
Sometimes I can’t resist either. These idiots are too astoundingly IDIOTIC!
January 4th, 2008 at 11:15 pmIs this rachel or vv or another troll I don’t remember?
Comment by Shayne — January 4, 2008 @ 11:14 pm
Most certainly one of the more unctuous ones. Sexless and lonely, with a side of snide. One of the geldings, most likely.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:16 pmIs this rachel or vv or another troll I don’t remember?
Comment by Shayne — January 4, 2008 @ 11:14 pm
Ugh. Both of them were smarter and less whiny than this one.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:16 pmcLAra, one acn only use the “ad hominem” position if they are actually in an argument. Someone countering ones statement “I like blue” with “you are stupid and a moron” is not an ad hominem attack. There was no argument or debate happening. If after the other person said, well I like yellow, and you are stupid and a moron, THEN you can claim ad hominem attack. At least that is the way I view it.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:18 pmANd I have been called stuid and a moron by better people that you Zooey or Lefty or even you cLara so don’t even go there wise asses.
But one never knows what can happen. If the main contenders continue knocking each other out in both parties, who knows what may happen
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 11:16 pm
Kucinich v. Paul will NEVER happen. Why do you keep beating that dead horse?
January 4th, 2008 at 11:18 pmUgh. Both of them were smarter and less whiny than this one.
Comment by Zooey — January 4, 2008 @ 11:16 pm
As is my 8-month-old grandaughter.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:20 pmPaul vs Kucinich sounds good to me
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 11:19 pm
Of course it does.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:20 pmANd I have been called stuid and a moron by better people that you Zooey or Lefty or even you cLara so don’t even go there wise asses.
Comment by 99Luf Balloons — January 4, 2008 @ 11:18 pm
Damn. Cut off at the knees… ;)
January 4th, 2008 at 11:22 pmWhy bother attacking me if I’m so stupid and annoying? Why waste your time?
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 11:21 pm
Why not? Maybe you’ll learn how dumb you are, and stop being dumb.
I am a bit of a dreamer…
January 4th, 2008 at 11:23 pmIs this rachel or vv or another troll I don’t remember?
Comment by Shayne — January 4, 2008 @ 11:14 pm
Ugh. Both of them were smarter and less whiny than this one.
Comment by Zooey — January 4, 2008 @ 11:16 pm
yea… second thought, you’re correct…
even a little unbelivable at times… but not as intelligent…
i’m off to watch letterman…
January 4th, 2008 at 11:23 pmWhat issues interest you Zooey? Are you a Hillary supporter? Obama? Do you have a favorite? Why are you on this site?
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 11:22 pm
If you’ve been around here for years, then you know all that.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:24 pmThe best thing about the Iowa caucus was the repudiation of Hillary
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 10:52 pm
This is #3 spammer. You sound like justasking who attacked JPark for no reason and now you’re attacking others. Flag her for spamming and I’m sending this to Faiz.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:25 pmFlag her for spamming and I’m sending this to Faiz.
Comment by Shayne — January 4, 2008 @ 11:25 pm
Woo!! Big guns! :-)
January 4th, 2008 at 11:26 pmletterman…
January 4th, 2008 at 11:27 pmPaper says that he is going to have Huckleberry on Monday night, right before NH. Is this his leftist way of keeping the pressure up on ROmney, and keep Huckleberry, the porest choice for the GOP front and center. I am coming around to seeing this as good.
Comment by 99Luf Balloons — January 4, 2008 @ 11:27 pm
I owuld guess Letterman just wants a shot at Huck. :D
January 4th, 2008 at 11:28 pmI suppose that is your goal. However, you were not successful with me, nor have you ever been, nor will you ever be.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 11:29 pm
Good for you. I’m sure they’ll take into account your spamming and whining.
I’m sure people have tried to educate you over the years, without success.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:31 pmHuckleberry, the porest choice for the GOP front and center. I am coming around to seeing this as good.
Comment by 99Luf Balloons — January 4, 2008 @ 11:27 pm
I’m not so certain. Huck is the only Rep who seems guaranteed to get every last Evangelicon’s vote. Mitt and Ghoulie are both capable of scaring away the hardcore religious right. I would almost prefer to see them split and take our chances with losing a few moderates. But, time will tell.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:32 pmPaul vs Kucinich sounds good to me
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 11:19 pm
Somebody needs to put this Spam back in the can.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:34 pmAnd Zooey
I said it before and I thought I’d just repeat it in case you didn’t see my post because you were so busy posting your political opinoins — it was a great day for America and for progressives that Hillary got trounced.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 11:32 pm
Uh huh. Why is it so important to you that I see that?
January 4th, 2008 at 11:34 pmSo expressing an opinoin that doesn’t agree with yours is spamming. But you never express a political opinion. So how is that determined?
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 11:33 pm
I don’t give a shit about your political opinions, since that is not the topic of the thread. Your spam was off topic. Your whining is off topic. This thread has become all about poor little you — under “attack” by the mean lefties.
I NEVER express a political opinion? Never in the more than 2 years I’ve been around here? Wow. That’s really kind of amazing.
I stated my opinion of this thread above.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:37 pmWoo!! Big guns! :-)
Comment by Zooey — January 4, 2008 @ 11:26 pm
Since this is a .357 Magnum and can blow your head clean off, you better ask yourself, do you feel lucky? Well do ya, punk?
Thank you, thank you, hold your applause.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:38 pmSomebody needs to put this Spam back in the can.
Comment by Shayne — January 4, 2008 @ 11:34 pm
You know who that is? It’s f_cking Jake, or one of his kind.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:39 pmAnd Zooey
I said it before and I thought I’d just repeat it in case you didn’t see my post because you were so busy posting your political opinoins — it was a great day for America and for progressives that Hillary got trounced.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 11:32 pm
Clarabelle sounds like Michael. Are you stalking Zooey again, perv?
January 4th, 2008 at 11:40 pmComment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 11:40 pm
Dude, I gave you link to it once before. I’m not doing it again.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:41 pmClarabelle sounds like Michael. Are you stalking Zooey again, perv?
Comment by Shayne — January 4, 2008 @ 11:40 pm
Nah, michael’s more stupid than this one. :-D
January 4th, 2008 at 11:42 pmShayne
How is that spam?
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 11:38 pm
Well you definitely are justasking, and your trolling is obviously getting you paid by the post because all you do is yap, yap, yap like a little Yorkie and just as annoying. Trolling is trolling is trolling. I suspect you were one of the impotent little boy trolls before you decided to embrace your feminine side.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:43 pmYep, that’s Jake.
Shayne, there’s a party at the Zoo. Shall we attend?
January 4th, 2008 at 11:43 pmClarabelle sounds like Michael. Are you stalking Zooey again, perv?
Comment by Shayne — January 4, 2008 @ 11:40 pm
Nah, michael’s more stupid than this one. :-D
Comment by Zooey — January 4, 2008 @ 11:42 pm
Do they come more stupid than this one?
January 4th, 2008 at 11:44 pmSure Z as long as Clarabelle is sufficiently outed.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:45 pmSure Z as long as Clarabelle is sufficiently outed.
Comment by Shayne — January 4, 2008 @ 11:45 pm
He’s outed. He even slipped back into his old style.
cLara (Jake), you are a sick f_ck troll, and I hope you get everything you deserve in life.
THAT was an attack. Toooodles!
January 4th, 2008 at 11:48 pmComment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 11:46 pm
YAP, YAP, YAP, YAP, YAP.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:49 pmMaybe it is a disorder that goes along with the very sick act of trolling and turning things into attacks, when there really is none?
January 4th, 2008 at 11:53 pmIt’s definitely a phenomenon that psychologists could have a field day taking a look at.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 11:50 pm
It’s been done. Look up “dissatisfaction”, “disgust” and “righteous anger”.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:55 pmIt’s definitely a phenomenon that psychologists could have a field day taking a look at.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 11:50 pm
In your case, half-wit, they’d have a half field day.
You’ve been outed, michael-jake-p. You’re all done here.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:55 pmIf cLara is Jake that is the longest I have ever seen Jake stay in character.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:56 pmComment by cLara — January 5, 2008 @ 12:00 am
Nice to see that Mr Pee is finally coming to grips with his sexual identity.
Still about as neurotic as a box of mealworms, though.
January 5th, 2008 at 12:09 amYou just proved me point. Thank you
Comment by cLara — January 5, 2008 @ 12:12 am
Oh, happy to oblige. We’re all about accommodating the mentally challenged here.
January 5th, 2008 at 12:13 amComment by cLara — January 5, 2008 @ 12:00 am
Well, to be fair, you did mention McCain (the subject of the thread) in your first post. The second?
A real debate – Ron Paul vs Kucinich. The Iraq war issue would already be decided since both are against it. Empire would be off the table from the start.
Which leaves the important issues – Health care, social security, patriot act, decrrminalization of drugs, elimination of the DEA
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 6:37 pm
Since then all you have posted is variations on the Paul v Kucinich pipe dream and snide comments about “attacks”. Perhaps you would be received better if you didn’t insist on setting the topic?
January 5th, 2008 at 12:14 amI have written an email pointing out the torrent of unwarranted abuse from you, Lefty Patriot, Katy, and others. It would behoove the owners to ban you guys at least for a while because all you do is stifle discussion. I suppose that is your goal. However, you were not successful with me, nor have you ever been, nor will you ever be.
Comment by cLara — January 4, 2008 @ 11:29 pm
Mommy, mommy, they were making fun of me at ThinkProgress, make them stop.
Put a cork in it, your whine was made from sour grapes.
Make sure you put me on your list, and check it twice,
January 5th, 2008 at 12:21 ammark me a naughty but never, never nice.
And it passes for progressive dialogue? No. That’s not possible.
Comment by cLara — January 5, 2008 @ 12:20 am
Your idiotic, insane blatherings hardly pass for human dialogue. where’s your broom?
January 5th, 2008 at 12:22 amWhy does he or she bother?
Comment by cLara — January 5, 2008 @ 12:25 am
Why do you bother?
January 5th, 2008 at 12:41 amWhy do you bother?
Comment by Zooey — January 5, 2008 @ 12:41 am
Remember the troll poser who did this same whining and jumped all over JPark, justasking. Same MO. Boring.
January 5th, 2008 at 12:46 amComment by cLara — January 5, 2008 @ 12:23 am
If you haven’t figured it out , on your own, then my pathetic attempts won’t clarify things.
Though, for the record, I and others politely answered and you simply repeated yourself. Here’s my take, again. While it would be interesting to see a Paul vs Kucinich debate, it’s not likely to happen. In fact, it’s so unlikely, it doesn’t really merit much discussion.
January 5th, 2008 at 12:50 am“Remember the troll poser who did this same whining and jumped all over JPark, justasking. Same MO. Boring.”
I am an idiot, I just defended cLara on a different thread for attacking Hillary (it is kind of a common goal for me, I guess.)
January 5th, 2008 at 12:54 amComment by cLara — January 5, 2008 @ 12:47 am
The issues matter to us too, cLara. You seem to think your caring matters more than anyone else’s. If you’re going to stick around, grow a thicker skin. If you can’t do that, you just won’t get along here.
Stop playing the victim and start doing something other than whining.
January 5th, 2008 at 12:54 amI am an idiot, I just defended cLara on a different thread for attacking Hillary (it is kind of a common goal for me, I guess.)
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 5, 2008 @ 12:54 am
Nah. There’s nothing idiotic about Hillary bashing, or the defense of Hillary bashing.
January 5th, 2008 at 12:57 amI am an idiot, I just defended cLara on a different thread for attacking Hillary (it is kind of a common goal for me, I guess.)
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 5, 2008 @ 12:54 am
Does she sound familiar to you JP?
January 5th, 2008 at 1:05 amRemember how happy justasking was when the thread got to 500 and she said she was famous. I guess these trolls get a bonus for running up large numbers. Maybe they are paid by TP.
January 5th, 2008 at 1:07 amThe issues matter to us too, cLara. You seem to think your caring matters more than anyone else’s. If you’re going to stick around, grow a thicker skin. If you can’t do that, you just won’t get along here.
Stop playing the victim and start doing something other than whining.
Comment by Zooey — January 5, 2008 @ 12:54 am
The troll can’t do that, because then it would fail to fulfill its pointless existence. All this whining about being attacked is just Pee in full b.s. mode.
“Wah, wah. You’re picking on me . . . and now we’ve spent a few hundred comments talking about ME. ME. ME.”
Back to mom’s basement with the troll.
January 5th, 2008 at 1:07 amShayne, not at all. Who do you think she is?
January 5th, 2008 at 1:08 amjustasking was a one time gnat. I guess I don’t remember those things :)
January 5th, 2008 at 1:09 amThen again, I seem to remember justasking being a decent poster before that. Kinda like Bartlebee where certain topics will set him off. Maybe we should forgive and forget?
January 5th, 2008 at 1:11 amI hear belligerence and intolerance.
Comment by cLara — January 5, 2008 @ 12:00 am
Your ears get callouses eventually.
January 5th, 2008 at 1:11 amThat’s all. I see bullies here, I call it as I see it. And I will continue to do so.
Comment by cLara — January 5, 2008 @ 1:18 am
If I were you I wouldn’t bother. It is true what the others say, the thin skinned do not last here. You can’t stop some of the posters here from ad hominem attacks – you just can’t. It is a waste of everyone’s time to even try.
If you have thin skin, farewell. If you have thick skin, there are some damn smart people here and it is worth wading through the bullies venom. As far as defending others, no one can grow skin for another.
January 5th, 2008 at 1:26 amI read through the first 150 or so comments on the McCain thread on TP, focusing in on cLara.
In my opinion she is not a troll. Her posts were, quite frankly, on target. Then others started calling her names and she reacted. It was like watching progressives eating their own. I stopped at post 169 and skipped down to write this comment.
If we cannot accept diverse opinions that challenge our preconceived notions, then we are no better than the 30%ers who blindly follow an authoritarian leader.
cLara’s early posts did just that, and her criticisms of Obama and others are well-placed. Does my saying that thus make me a troll as well?
Will you begin calling me names, as many of you did cLara?
Frankly, I’m disappointed in the direction many of my friends took here tonight.
cLara, I implore you to keep posting, and refrain from responding to those who call you names. If you can post, you can “Report Abuse.” Do that and be done with those comments. I, for one, value your input.
January 5th, 2008 at 1:30 amRead the rest of the comments, BnF.
We may have been a bit tough on cLara, but she enjoys the attention and being the victim.
January 5th, 2008 at 2:01 amjustasking was a one time gnat. I guess I don’t remember those things :)
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 5, 2008 @ 1:09 am
No she’s been around quite a bit since that night but always seems guilty of something. That’s why I thought she’d change her name because I remember her and remind her of her behavior.
January 5th, 2008 at 2:40 amThe people of Pompeii also thought it was a good idea to build a city on the base of the Vesuvius!
January 5th, 2008 at 3:04 amSome of the regular women around here need to back away from their computers, put away their sugary snacks, and quit picking fights.
There is more to life than this.
BnF is right !
∞
January 5th, 2008 at 3:07 amalpha, you need to stick it up your a$$ as well.
January 5th, 2008 at 4:08 amAnd if you misunderstood, I think you are a sexist, misogynistic pig, alpha. Did you get that?
January 5th, 2008 at 4:09 amAnd BnF wouldn’t support that view.
January 5th, 2008 at 4:10 amAnd BnF wouldn’t support that view.
Comment by Sabyen91
Yes he would, As.hole, did you read his post.
You need to put away your Cheetos too, and stop acting like a few of the other frustrated barmaids around here.
∞
January 5th, 2008 at 4:25 amalpha, BnF isn’t a freaking pig like you. Go to your cave. Good luck finding a woman that likes being knocked over the head for mating purposes.
January 5th, 2008 at 4:27 amI think you are a sexist, misogynistic pig, alpha. Did you get that?
Comment by Sabyen91
Does anyone really give a sh¡t what a girly_boy like you thinks ?
(oops, I guess I’m being sexist again)LOL!!
∞
January 5th, 2008 at 4:35 amMaybe they don’t care what I think. However, they definitely don’t care what you think. A pathetic self-hating, small-cocked little boy? Yeah, they care.
January 5th, 2008 at 4:40 amComment by Sabyen91
You are a sad follower.
When your friends are on here chattering and chasing real or imagined trolls, you’re always there bringing up the rear like the effeminate punk you are.
∞
January 5th, 2008 at 4:45 am…says the guy that is attacking the sad follower. You are funny :)
January 5th, 2008 at 4:47 amA pathetic self-hating, small-cocked little boy?
Comment by Sabyen91
Project much ??
∞
January 5th, 2008 at 4:49 amLOL, buy a Porsche, alpha.
January 5th, 2008 at 4:49 amBy the way, alpha, do you have something to say about ole “Babe Ruth”? Or are you just trying to hit on any guy that happens to be here?
January 5th, 2008 at 4:52 amMaybe the words “Babe Ruth” did it for you.
January 5th, 2008 at 4:54 amMedia ownership study ordered destroyed
Sept 14, 2006
‘Every last piece’ destroyed
Adam Candeub, now a law professor at Michigan State University, said senior managers at the agency ordered that “every last piece” of the report be destroyed. “The whole project was just stopped – end of discussion,” he said. Candeub was a lawyer in the FCC’s Media Bureau at the time the report was written and communicated frequently with its authors, he said.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14836500/
“You can’t tell any more the difference between what’s propaganda and what’s news.”
FCC Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein
15 August, 2006
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/16/national/main1900602.shtm
January 5th, 2008 at 6:02 amYou have to keep reminding yourself this is not fantasy: that truly dangerous men, such as Perle and Rumsfeld and Cheney, have power. The thread running through their ruminations is the importance of the media: “the prioritized task of bringing on board journalists of repute to accept our position”.
“Our position” is code for lying. Certainly, as a journalist, I have never known official lying to be more pervasive than today. We may laugh at the vacuities in Tony Blair’s “Iraq dossier” and Jack Straw’s inept lie that Iraq has developed a nuclear bomb (which his minions rushed to “explain”). But the more insidious lies, justifying an unprovoked attack on Iraq and linking it to would-be terrorists who are said to lurk in every Tube station, are routinely channeled as news. They are not news; they are black propaganda.
http://www.newstatesman.com/200212160005
“Television is altering the meaning of “being informed” by creating a species of information that might properly be called disinformation… Disinformation does not mean false information. It means misleading information – misplaced, irrelevant, fragmented or superficial information – information that creates the illusion of knowing something, but which in fact leads one away from knowing.”
Neil Postman
SENATOR GRAHAM CALLS FOR ACTION AGAINST AMERICANS WHO DISAGREE WITH BUSH
NAT PARRY, CONSORTIUM NEWS – Sen. Lindsey Graham suggested to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales a new target for the administration’s domestic operations — Fifth Columnists, supposedly disloyal Americans who sympathize and collaborate with the enemy. “The administration has not only the right, but the duty, in my opinion, to pursue Fifth Column movements,” Graham, R-S.C., told Gonzales during Senate Judiciary Committee hearings on Feb. 6.
“I stand by this President’s ability, inherent to being Commander in Chief, to find out about Fifth Column movements, and I don’t think you need a warrant to do that,” Graham added, volunteering to work with the administration to draft guidelines for how best to neutralize this alleged threat. “Senator,” a smiling Gonzales responded, “the President already said we’d be happy to listen to your ideas.”
http://uncapitalist.com/blog/?itemid=1329
“Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one’s self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.â€
Michael Rivera
January 5th, 2008 at 6:04 amCOLUMNISTS AND COMMENTATORS WHO CAN BE COUNTED UPON TO SUPPORT ISRAEL REFLEXIVELY AND WITHOUT QUALIFICATION:
George Will, The Washington Post, Newsweek and ABC News
William Safire, The New York Times
A.M. Rosenthal, The New York Daily News, formerly Executive Editor of and later columnist for, The New York Times.
Charles Krauthammer, The Washington Post, PBS, Time, and The Weekly Standard, formerly of the New Republic.
Michael Kelly, The Washington Post, The Atlantic Monthly, National Journal, and MSNBC.com, formerly of The New Republic and The New Yorker.
Lally Weymouth, The Washington Post and Newsweek
Martin Peretz, The New Republic
Daniel Pipes, The New York Post
Andrea Peyser, The New York Post
Dick Morris, The New York Post
Lawrence Kaplan, The New Republic
William Bennett, CNN
William Kristol, The Washington Post, the Weekly Standard, Fox News, formerly of ABC News
Robert Kagan, The Washington Post and The Weekly Standard
Mortimer Zuckerman, US News and World Report (Zuckerman is also Chairman of Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations ).
David Gelertner, The Weekly Standard
John Podhoretz, The New York Post and The Weekly Standard
Mona Charen, The Washington Times
Morton Kondracke, Roll Call, Fox News, formerly of The McLaughlin Group, The New Republic and PBS
Fred Barnes, The Weekly Standard, Fox News, formerly of The New Republic, The McLaughlin Group, and The Baltimore Sun
Sid Zion, The New York Post, formerly of The New York Daily News
Yossi Klein Halevi The New Republic
Norman Podhoretz, Commentary,
Jonah Goldberg, National Review and CNN
Laura Ingraham, CNN, formerly of MSNBC and CBS News
Jeff Jacoby, The Boston Globe
Rich Lowry, National Review
Andrew Sullivan, The New Republic
Seth Lipsky, The Wall Street Journal and The New York Sun, formerly of the Jewish Forward
Irving Kristol, The Public Interest and The Wall Street Journal Editorial Page
Chris Matthews, MSNBC
Allan Keyes, MSNBC, WorldNetDaily.com
Brit Hume, Fox News
John Leo, US News and World Report
Robert Bartley, The Wall Street Journal Editorial Page
John Fund, The Wall Street Journal OpinionJournal, formerly of The WSJournal Editorial Page
Peggy Noonan, The Wall Street Journal Editorial Page
Ben Wattenberg, The Washington Times, PBS
Tony Snow, Washington Times and Fox News
Lawrence Kudlow, National Review and CNBC
Alan Dershowitz, Boston Herald, Washington Times
David Horowitz, Frontpage.com
Jacob Heilbrun, The Los Angeles Times
Thomas Sowell, Washington Times
Frank Gaffney Jr, Washington Times
Emmett Tyrell, American Spectator and New York Sun
Cal Thomas, Washington Times
Oliver North, Washington Times and Fox News, formerly of MSNBC
Michael Ledeen, Jewish World Review
William F. Buckley, National Review
Bill O’Reilly, Fox News
Paul Greenberg, Arkansas Democrat-Gazette,
L. Brent Bozell, Washington Times
Todd Lindberg, Washington Times
Michael Barone, US News and World Report and The McLaughlin Group
Ann Coulter, Human Events,
Linda Chavez, Creators Syndicate
Cathy Young, Reason Magazine
Uri Dan, New York Post
Dr. Laura Schlessinger, morality maven
Rush Limbaugh, radio host
PUBLICATIONS THAT, FOR REASONS OF OWNER OR EDITORSHIP CAN BE COUNTED UPON TO SUPPORT ISRAEL REFLEXIVELY AND WITHOUT QUALIFICATION:
The New Republic (Martin Peretz, Michael Steinhardt, Roger Hertog, Owners)
Commentary (American Jewish Committee, Owner)
US News and World Report (Mortimer Zuckerman, Owner)
The New York Daily News (Mortimer Zuckerman, Owner)
The New York Post (Rupert Murdoch, Owner)
The Weekly Standard (Rupert Murdoch, Owner)
The Wall Street Journal Editorial Page (Peter Kann, Editor)
The Atlantic Monthly (Michael Kelly, Editor)
COLUMNISTS WHO VIEW THEMSELVES TO BE CRITICALLY SUPPORTERS OF ISRAEL, AND ULTIMATELY, WOULD SUPPORT ISRAELI SECURITY OVER PALESTINIAN RIGHTS:
Thomas Friedman, The New York Times,
Richard Cohen, The Washington Post and New York Daily News
Avishai Margolit, The New York Review of Books
David Remnick, The New Yorker
Eric Alterman, The Nation and MSNBC.com
The New York Times Editorial Board
The Washington Post Editorial Board
“Hollywood is run by Jews. It is owned by Jews, and they should have a greater sensitivity about the issue of people who are suffering”
– Actor Marlon Brando on Larry King Live 04/05/1996
“I’ve never seen a president –I don’t care who he is– stand up to them [the Israelis]. It just boggles your mind. They always get what they want. The Israelis know what’s going on all the time. I got to the point where I wasn’t writing anything down. If the American people understood what grip those people have on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens don’t have any idea what goes on.”
– Admiral Thomas Moorer of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. (See Washington Report 12/1999, p.124 quoting from Andrew Hurley’s book, “One Nation Under Israel”)
“The Israeli Prime Minister has a lot more influence over the foreign policy of the United States in the Middle East than he has in his own country.”
– Former Congressman Paul Findley, in his book They Dare to Speak Out, p. 92.
“The Israelis control the policy in the congress and the senate … somewhere around 80 percent of the senate of the United States is completely in support of Israel — of anything Israel wants….”
– Chairman Senator Fullbright, 10/07/1973 on CBS’ “Face the Nation”.
“We have exhausted our requests. President Clinton has answered all our needs. There has been no American president in history like President Clinton, in his support of Israel and the Jewish people.”
– Shimon Peres (From Washington Report, July 1996, pg. 17)
” resident Clinton behaves like an obedient child of Israel and does not know how to say `No.’”
– Nahum Barnea, Israeli writer (From Washington Report, July 1996, pg. 17)
“There is definitely an anti-Arab bias in America, and I regret it”
– Peter Jennings cited in Alfred Lilienthal’s 1982 Zionist Connections II, p.273, citing Edmund Ghareeb, The American Media and the Palestine Problem, Journal of Palestine Studies, Autumn 1975, Winter 1976.
“The Capitol Hill is an Israeli occupied territory”.
– Patrick Buchanan (St. Louis Dispatch, 10/20/1990).
“I am aware how almost impossible it is in this country to carry out a foreign policy [in the Middle East] not approved by the Jews. [Former Secretary of State George] Marshall and [former Defense Secretary James] Forrestral learned that”
– Sec. of State John Foster Dulles in Feb. 1957 quoted on p.99 of Fallen Pillars by Donald Neff
“… terrific control the Jews have over the news media and the barrage the Jews have built up on congressmen …. I am very much concerned over the fact that the Jewish influence here is completely dominating the scene and making it almost impossible to get congress to do anything they don’t approve of. The Israeli embassy is practically dictating to the congress through influential Jewish people in the country”
– Sec. of State John Foster Dulles in Feb. 1957 quoted on p.99 of Fallen Pillars by Donald Neff
“I know I was elected by the votes of American Jews. I owe them my victory. Tell me, is there something I ought to do?”
– U.S. President John F. Kennedy speaking privately to Ben-Gurion (p.90 A & L Cockburn 1991).
“The little Knesset”-
- Sec. of state James Baker describing pro-Israel Congressmen, quoted in the Web Page of the Zionist Organization of America, which, in turn, quotes the Los Angeles Times (March 7, 1992)
“I do not think I ever had as much pressure and propaganda aimed at the White House as I had in this instance”
ï® U.S. President Harry Truman writing in his memoirs about the Zionist pressure to support the partition of Palestine.
The real government of the USA!
Jews in the Bush Administration
Paul Dundes Wolfowitz – Deputy Secretary, Department of Defense
Richard Perle – Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy.
Ari Fleischer – White House Press Secretary
Josh Bolten – Deputy Chief of Staff
Ken Melman – White House Political Director
Jay Lefkowitz – Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of the Domestic Policy Council
David Frum-Speechwriter
Brad Blakeman- White House Director of Scheduling
Dov Zakheim – Undersecretary of Defense (Controller)
I. Lewis Libby- Chief of Staff to the Vice President
Adam Goldman – White House Liaison to the Jewish Community
Chris Gersten- Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families at HHS
Elliott Abrams- Director of the National Security Council’s Office for Democracy, Human Rights (!!! ) and International Operations
Mark D. Weinberg – Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs
Douglas Feith- Under Secretary of Defense for Policy
Michael Chertoff- Head of the Justice Department’s criminal division
Daniel Kurtzer- Ambassador to Israel (!!! )
Cliff Sobel- Ambassador to the Netherlands
Stuart Bernstein – Ambassador to Denmark
Nancy Brinker- Ambassador to Hungary
Frank Lavin- Ambassador to Singapore
Ron Weiser- Ambassador to Slovakia
Mel Sembler – Ambassador to Italy
Martin Silverstein- Ambassador to Uruguay
Assistant Secretary of Defense: Paul Wolfowitz, Undersecretary of Defense under former President Bush, former ambassador to Indonesia, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), a member of the Aspen Institute’s Strategy Group, reportedly attended the 2000 Bilderberg meeting in Belgium, and was a member of the Trilateral Commission as of 2000.
White House Press Secretary: Ari Fleischer, former 2000 Bush campaign spokesman, and previously was communications director for Elizabeth Dole’s 2000 campaign. He was also the Presidential Transition Spokesperson 2000-2001.
Deputy Chief of Staff: Joshua B. Bolten, policy director for the 2000 Bush campaign.
Chief Counsel: Jay Lefkowitz, former law partner of Kenneth W. Starr.
Deputy Assistant to the President for Appointments and Scheduling: Brad Blakeman, who spent two years as Lead Advance Representative for Bush/Cheney 2000 and also worked in the same capacity for the Bush/Quayle campaigns in 1988 & 1992. From 1980-1993, he was a consultant to the offices of the President and Vice President of the United States.
Undersecretary of Defense & Comptroller: Dov S. Zakheim, CEO of System Planning Corporation International and a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).
Chief of Staff for the Vice President: I. Lewis Libby, former Deputy Under Secretary of Defense, and a former lawyer for Mark Rich, whom Clinton pardoned. Libby is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).
Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs: Mark D. Weinberg, the Director of issues Management for The McGraw-Hill Companies and was Manager for Marketing Communications and Special Events for the U.S. Postal Service 1994-1999. He served as Director of Public Affairs in the Office of Former President Bush 1989-1991 and as Special Assistant to the President and Assistant Press Secretary for President Reagan 1981-1989.
Under Secretary of Defense for Policy: Douglas Jay Feith, formerly with Feith and Zell, P.C., in Washington, D.C. He served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Negotiations Policy, 1984-1986 and was Special Counsel to Assistant Secretary of Defense Richard Peale 1982-1984. Feith is a graduate of Harvard College and Georgetown University Law Center and is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)
Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division: Michael Chertoff, a Partner with Latham and Watkins in Newark, NJ. He was the U.S. Attorney for New Jersey 1990-1994 and is a graduate of Harvard University and Harvard Law School. He also advised Sen. Alfonse M. D’Amato (R-NY) during the Whitewater investigation.
Ari Fleischer
Dov Zakheim
Elliott Abrams
Richard Perle
Paul Dundes Wolfowitz
Warren Bruce Rudman
Leslie Gelb
David Frum
Eliot Engel
John Deutch
Maurice Raymond GreenbergRobert Rubin
Martin Feldstein
Kenneth Duberstein
George Soros
Richard Charles Albert Holbrooke
Ariel Sharon:
“We control America”"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.”
- Israeli Prime Minister,Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.
“Israel controls the United States Senate.”
January 5th, 2008 at 6:05 am- Sen.William Fulbright
Hmmmm, McCain has lower percentages than the congress. I’ll just say that I’d still rather be myself than McCain,.. and I’m suicidal!
January 5th, 2008 at 6:11 amWhen the truth of this ENTIRE CONSPIRACY is finally revealed to the American people, they will boycott the Mainstream Media that enabled it.
CNN Continues to run banner ads all over the web proclaiming that you can walk “IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF BIN LADEN” – a promo for a show that they now run every week.
THIS IS GOVERNMENT SPONSORED PROPAGANDA.
BIN LADEN IS DEAD.
And now this gem from Government Propaganda Network FOX:
Bin Laden’s Former Girlfriend Reveals Shocking Details in New Book
Monday, August 21, 2006
By John Gibson
Bin Laden had the hots for Whitney Houston.
That’s what we’re learning from Kola Boof, the Sudanese poet and novelist whose new book “Diary of a Lost Girl” draws on her experiences as one of bid Laden’s girlfriends. Actually she says she was bin Laden’s sex slave for a while.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,209691,00.html
EARTH TO AMERICA…
IT IS ALL GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA!
THEY STILL WANT YOU TO FEAR A GUY WHO IS DEAD.
“The FBI does not yet have ‘hard evidence’ linking him to the 9/11 attacks and so as of 2006 he has only been indicted on the embassy murders; he is officially still only a suspect in ‘other terrorist attacks throughout the world’.”
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
Have you actually LOOKED at the person in the fake Bin Laden video?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
The FBI declines to confirm its authenticity.
BECAUSE IT’S FAKE!
BIN LADEN DID NOT ATTACK US ON 9/11.
Bush knows for a fact that Bin Laden is dead.
We need to take back the airwaves for WE THE PEOPLE.
We need to use the ANTI-TRUST LAWS (you remember laws?) to break up the triad of Propaganda networks that have enabled this military coup, and take the money out of the election process and Nationalize the oil industry and recover all of the ill-gotten gains that these criminals have stolen from our Treasury, and bring the damn troops home and cut off Israel from receiving another dime.
January 5th, 2008 at 6:13 amMC CAIN’S ROLE IN THE COVERUP:
Liberty Cover-Up and John McCain’s Conscience
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) is the “Conscience of the Senate.†Nevertheless, he won’t come clean about what really happened to the USS Liberty, at the hands of the Israelis.
One of the Navy bigwigs pushing hard for a sanitized Liberty inquiry was none other than Sen. McCain’s father, Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., Commander-in-Chief, Naval Forces Europe. He wanted the investigation done in less than a week. Boston said a “proper inquiry would take at least six months.†Admiral McCain also wouldn’t permit Admiral Kidd to travel to Israel or to contact any potential Israelis witnesses. In fact, according to Boston, the written affidavits of 60 witnesses from the Liberty itself, who were hospitalized at the time of the restricted Inquiry, were also excluded from the final report and not considered as part of the evidentiary record. Boston is convinced, too, that the Israelis’ machine-gunning of the Liberty’s lifeboats, while the crew was trying desperately to assist their colleagues that were seriously wounded, was “a war crime.â€
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/July2004/Hughes0712.htm
January 5th, 2008 at 6:17 amCLASS ACTION LAWSUIT – THE PEOPLE VS. THE GOP
The Republican Party entered into a LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT with the people of America, who rewarded them with their votes and their trust.
Some observers cite the Contract With America as having helped secure a decisive victory for the Republicans in the 1994 elections
REPUBLICAN CONTRACT WITH AMERICA
FIRST, require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply equally to the Congress;
SECOND, select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;
THIRD, cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;
FOURTH, limit the terms of all committee chairs;
FIFTH, ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;
SIXTH, require committee meetings to be open to the public;
SEVENTH, require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;
EIGHTH, guarantee an honest accounting of our Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.
Further, we will instruct the House Budget Committee to report to the floor and we will work to enact additional budget savings, beyond the budget cuts specifically included in the legislation described above, to ensure that the Federal budget deficit will be less than it would have been without the enactment of these bills.
Respecting the judgment of our fellow citizens as we seek their mandate for reform, we hereby pledge our names to this Contract with America.
MC CAIN ADMITS GOP GUILT:
“Americans had elected us to change government, and they rejected us because they believed government had changed us,” the four-term senator said.
“We lost our principles and our majority. And there is no way to recover our majority without recovering our principles first.”
“Hypocrisy, my friends, is the most obvious of political sins. And the people will punish it,” McCain said, explaining that while Republicans were elected to reduce the size of government, they ended up increasing it “in the false hope that we could bribe the public into keeping us in office.”
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS IN BREACH OF CONTRACT WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. MC CAIN ADMITS IT.
SUE THEM.
January 5th, 2008 at 6:19 amIn today’s Haaretz – Israli Newspaper:
Last update – 07:00 05/01/2008
After Iowa: Is there room for both McCain and Giuliani?
By Shmuel Rosner, Haaretz Correspondents
excerpt:
A week ago we reported here on McCain’s progress, a by-product of America’s relative success in Iraq in recent months. But McCain doesn’t stick only to Iraq. He is the candidate insisting that the 2008 elections focus, ultimately, on foreign policy. “I know Pakistan. I know Israel,” he declared. “I know these countries”- meaning the problematic ones that demand special attention.
Three senators accompany McCain to the event: former presidential candidate Sam Brownback of Kansas, John Thune of South Dakota, and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who tells the crowd how much world leaders respect McCain. He counts among his friends several Israelis, including Defense Minister Ehud Barak.
McCain left “my favorite Democrat” back in New Hampshire to carry on the good work. The mention of Joe Lieberman of Connecticut brings cheers from the crowd here in Iowa. Two weeks ago Lieberman announced his endorsement of the Republican McCain – a pretty astonishing move for someone who ran for vice president seven years ago on the Democratic ticket alongside Al Gore (as well as the first Jew to contend for that high office). And now the rumors that nobody confirms are spreading, and have reached all the way to senior officials in Jerusalem: Lieberman may also be McCain’s running mate.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/941761.html
January 5th, 2008 at 6:35 amEVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT WHY THE “MEDIA” BACKS MCCAIN IS RIGHT HERE – IN ISRAEL’S PAPER:
Jan 4, 2008 12:54 | Updated Jan 4, 2008 22:59
US Senator John McCain a favorite of Iowa Jews
When Arizona Senator John McCain took the stage the night before the first-in-the-nation caucuses to be held here Thursday night, he thanked several fellow senators who had joined him on stage to show their support. But then he also mentioned another senator — Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut — who wasn’t present because he was campaigning for him in New Hampshire.
McCain promotes his alliance with Lieberman, an independent senator and Orthodox Jew who campaigned in 2000 as the Democratic vice presidential nominee, to show off his bipartisan credentials, and his reference to his “favorite Democrat” before the conservative Iowa audience who had braved the cold to greet him elicited cheers.
“The fact that Lieberman affiliated with [McCain] brought him up with a certain quadrant of the Jewish community,” said a Jewish leader in Iowa in explaining Jewish support for McCain, though he also referred to support for other candidates, including former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1198517292703&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
LIEBERMAN = TRAITOR TO AMERICA + TRAITOR TO DEMOCRATIC PARTY:
Earlier in the day, Connecticut Sen. Joseph Lieberman stumped for McCain on the Seacoast.
Lieberman, who was headed for a mid-afternoon rally in Portsmouth’s Market Square, said that if McCain wins next Tuesday, he can turn the campaign around because he’s “the most electable Republican nominee.”
Lieberman said he crossed party lines because he has worked with McCain for 19 years and believes in him.
“I know some Democrats are unhappy I’ve done this, but if you want to stand for something in our politics, you can’t make everyone happy. . .,” he said. “In the end, I’ve got to feel I’m doing something for our country. I think the Mac and the magic are back.”
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=McCain+says+he+must+win+New+Hampshire&articleId=a59cb811-70c7-42cc-a643-6a06f66b2e8a
January 5th, 2008 at 6:46 amMcCain Flashback – one year ago – and look at his focus on Lieberman:
http://209.85.207.104/search?q=cache:OTenh0nPY7YJ:glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2007/01/john-mccains-war-against-reality.html+mccain+%2B+ledeen&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us
Saturday, January 06, 2007
John McCain’s war against reality
(updated below – updated again)
John McCain was interviewed by Bill Bennett yesterday and this is the claim McCain made about American public opinion on the Iraq war:
[McCain]: I reject the notion that all Americans, or the majority of Americans just want us out of Iraq. Joe Lieberman would not have been re-elected in a very liberal state if that were the case.
UPDATE: As several people have quickly pointed out in Comments, Lieberman did everything he could during the campaign to make the election be something other than a referendum on Iraq and, more so, did everything he could to leave the impression that the war would end soon and that this is what he wanted. Thus, even if it were somehow rational to look only to the Connecticut Senate race and ignore every other data point in the universe to determine American public opinion on the war, even that would hardly provide support for the idea that Americans support the war. One could certainly make the argument that the “running-away-from-Iraq” campaign which Lieberman had to run in order to win proves the opposite.
UPDATE III: As FDM notes in Comments, John McCain previously made the exact opposite point — literally — as the one he is making now. After the midterm elections, McCain went on CNN and said this about why the Republicans lost the election:
And, so, there was a number of factors, including corruption, including our spending practices, including these continued scandals, that, along with Iraq, contributed to our downfall. And, if it had just been Iraq, Joe Lieberman would have never been reelected in Connecticut, a liberal state, where he supported the president on the war.
So just weeks ago, McCain was admitting that Lieberman won in Connecticut because that election was not about Iraq. In fact, McCain expressly admitted that had the election been about Iraq, Lieberman would have lost. But now that he is desperate to show that Americans still support the war, McCain saying exactly the opposite by claiming that the Connecticut election was about Iraq and that Lieberman’s victory therefore proves that Americans haven’t turned against the war.
There are many descriptive phrases for what McCain is doing here, but “straight talking” isn’t one of them. But that, of course, is nothing new.
January 5th, 2008 at 7:19 amadd to all that:
Swifties aren’t gone, they’ve just changed candidates
By: Steve Benen @ 6:45 PM – PST
Over the last three years, the group of organized, well-financed liars ironically named the “Swift Boat Veterans for Truth,†have come to be synonymous with vicious smears and mendacity. Most honorable people, who have any decency at all, look back at the group’s bogus attacks with disgust and disappointment. These clowns smeared a war hero to help a couple of draft-dodgers, and the Republican Party cheered them on.
That, of course, was nearly four years ago. Can we leave this malicious moment in the past? Actually, no. Chris Hayes has a tremendous piece in the new issue of The Nation noting that the Swift Boat Liars’ financiers aren’t just lingering, they’re as active as ever.
[...]
In 2004, Swifties were closely tied to the Bush administration, particularly Karl Rove. Care to guess who these guys are rallying behind now? John McCain.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/04/swifties-arent-gone-theyve-just-changed-candidates/
January 5th, 2008 at 10:35 amSince TWICE as many Democrats turned out in Iowa and had to do a lot more (even though Iowa is supposed to be over 50% Republican)—-that would b e like the media celebrating a Democrat who got 6% of the vote!
January 5th, 2008 at 11:44 amSo McCain thinks the election process has integrity?
January 5th, 2008 at 12:24 pmThe media with daily coverage, and full thrust has been telling us for almost a year, and this will go on until elections day, what these cadidates like Hillary,McCain,Obama and others will do if they were elected…
January 5th, 2008 at 12:31 pmYet the media is ignoring what Bush and Cheney who are in charge are doing now.
Katy:
“John McCain” is the Israel candidate. He’s the Goy face. It’s actually Lieberman who they are attempting to put in the most powerful chair in America, the one presently occupied by Cheney.
See why they want to let Cheney get away with everything he has? They’re reserving the chair for their own.
January 5th, 2008 at 12:32 pmLieberman = Likud Party.
plunger – can’t argue with you…
all very logical and fitting…
long ago i stated that i felt he was the “anointed one”…
January 5th, 2008 at 2:15 pmcan’t find the earliest, but here is the latest:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/19/webb-amendment/#comment-4083529