McCain: ‘I Dont Think Americans Are Concerned’ If We Stay In Iraq For ‘10,000 Years’
McCain: ‘I Dont Think Americans Are Concerned’ If We Stay In Iraq For ‘10,000 Years’
Last week, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said it “would be fine with” him if the U.S. military stayed in Iraq for “a hundred years” or even a “million years.”
Fifty-nine percent say the U.S. should “stick to a withdrawal timetable” instead of keeping “a significant number of troops in Iraq until the situation there gets better, even if that takes many years.”
But on CBS’s Face the Nation, McCain claimed that Americans would not be “concerned” if the U.S. spends “10,000 years” in Iraq:
The point is it’s American casualties. We’ve go to get American’s off the frontlines, have the Iraqis as part of the strategy, take over more and more of the responsibilities, and then I don’t think Americans are concerned if we’re there for one hundred years or a thousand years or ten thousand years.
Watch it:
As Crooks and Liars notes, on NBC’s Meet the Press, McCain further expressed his desire for a permanent Iraq occupation, going as far as to suggest that he supports “permanent bases” in the country:
RUSSERT: Would you have permanent bases?
McCAIN: If that seems to be necessary in some respects. It depends on the threat.
Not long ago, McCain felt very differently about occupying Iraq. In November, he told Charlie Rose that arguing that a South Korea-like presence is not an “analogy” he would use for Iraq. On June 10, 2007, McCain told George Stephanopolous that he opposes permanent bases:
STEPHANOPOULOS: So no permanent bases?
McCAIN: No, not forever, but certainly, we would be there for a long period of time in a support role, in many ways.
But by McCain’s logic, 10,000 or even one million years is not “forever.”
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This American is very concerned for the sake of his children and grandchildren–out now!
January 6th, 2008 at 12:12 pmThis will be a significant differentiator between Reps and Dems in the 2008 election. Topics like healthcare, environment, etc., are going to be completely ignored.
Basicly, the leading nominees better state their economic policies moving forward, because it will be economic plans, and stance on the War in Iraq that will determine the winner.
January 6th, 2008 at 12:12 pm“..I don’t think Americans are concerned if we’re there for one hundred years or a thousand years or ten thousand years. ”
So Shaddam IV will still keep troops in Iraq?
January 6th, 2008 at 12:12 pmso what mccain is saying is that Americans don’t give a rats ass about the $billions, and ultimately the cool $trillion (AT LEAST) that mccain’s illegal unnecessary criminal invasion will cost our grand children or the lost opportunity cost of that $trillion that could have provided universal healthcare, education, and countless other humanitarian actions in desperate short supply for the needy of the entire world (not just the US) for a very very long time. Chief republican loon mccain is as big a criminal as the rest.
The bush/cheney/neocon/mccain abomination in Iraq is crime against humanity of immense proportions. All its instigators and prolongers should have long ago been tried and be in jail by now.
January 6th, 2008 at 12:15 pm.
#3, RickS,
It is the Padashah Emporer’s perogative to send Saudaker anywhere he pleases, so long as the Guild and Choam buy in.
January 6th, 2008 at 12:15 pmInsane McCain. Only nine hundred and ninety six years to go on the Thousand Year BushReich Imperial Occupation of Iraq. Two (too) insane war mongers for the price of one: a KMart Special: Attention all Shoppers…
January 6th, 2008 at 12:16 pmWhen is this insane train express going to depart
January 6th, 2008 at 12:16 pmDems and Reps better pass an energy plan that gets us off foreign oil and natural gas ASAP, or whoever wins the presidency will live with a long deep recession.
January 6th, 2008 at 12:17 pmHe did follow that up with what he thought Americans were concerned about, which is whether or not American soldiers are dying.
Still, McCain’s whole argument was so full of holes and half-truths that Russert could have skewered him if he were so inclined, but of course he is not so inclined. Hopefully the Democratic nominee’s team is assembling the whole litany of McCain bullshit, since there’s no doubt at this point that he will be the Republican nominee.
McCain scares me not just because he’s the MSM’s darling and will therefore get a pass on most of his dishonesty, but because he is more hawkish than George W. Bush. A McCain presidency just about guarantees we will see more war, whether we like it or not.
January 6th, 2008 at 12:17 pmSo to McInsane the FACT that a large majority of Americans want us to get the hell out of there means we don’t care if we are there for 10,000 years?
What kind of meds do his handlers have him on?
Bush/Cheney
Hague Trials ‘09
Buck Fush
January 6th, 2008 at 12:20 pmSo Shaddam IV will still keep troops in Iraq?
Comment by RickS — January 6, 2008 @ 12:12 pm
Pretty funny… instead of Fish Speakers, they’ll have Window Peekers…
January 6th, 2008 at 12:20 pm#11, Nevar,
I am surprised their isn’t a porn series based on the Fish Speakers - they’ve shot every other angle.
January 6th, 2008 at 12:23 pmmurdering mass amounts of iraqi men, women and children = GOOD
torture = BAD
i see how the orwellian geriatric say anything mind of McCain works now.
January 6th, 2008 at 12:24 pm… As Long As Iraqis Are The Ones Dying -C&L
January 6th, 2008 at 12:26 pmI think it was pretty clear that he felt it was caualties that upset the
January 6th, 2008 at 12:28 pmAmerican people, not the prescence per se. It is a tough point to argue with. Where is the uproar and agitation for us to leave Germany, S. Korea, Okinawa, Kosovo etc. etc? I think we’d be shocked at how many Americans don’t even know we have troops in those places.
I think Hill’reh is starting to realise how Lenin felt as Stalin rose to power using Lenin’s tactics …
January 6th, 2008 at 12:29 pmIf Iraq had NO oil, then McCain would be screaming to get the troops out of that hell-hole ASAP. This proves that OIL is the sole reason the US in in Iraq and the need to stay there till every single drop is pumped out. Thus McCain thinks it OK if 10,000 years was needed to do it, but the oil could all be pumped out in way less than 100 years.
January 6th, 2008 at 12:30 pmWhich Americans he is talking about?
January 6th, 2008 at 12:30 pmMcCain will go down in ‘08 like that other old sot, Bob Dole.
∞
January 6th, 2008 at 12:38 pmAnother thing McCain forgets is that South Korea requests US troops in their country to prevent an invasion by North Korea. Germany allows some US bases because it helps their economy.
Iraq has been occupied by the US against the wishes of the people. They are getting zero benefit from it, thus no jobs.
January 6th, 2008 at 12:40 pmBut by McCain’s logic, 10,000 or even one million years is not “forever.â€
“McCain’s Logic” envisions an Iraq in some distant future, when the Sunni-Shia civil war has gone underground. In this newly-re-visioned, possible version of the future, a Musharrif-style democracy arises, that keeps a lid on car-bombings and back-alley massacres. It wields power, inside the template of America’s now-established anti-terror efforts. Suspension of habeaus corpus, torture, hostage-taking - the things we used as belated excuses for overthrowing Saddam. “McCain’s Logic” dictates that we coddle, and excuse the excesses of the new regime because it means a lessening of American battlefield casualties - regardless of the methods used. It is the most morally corrupt of intellectual rigors.
January 6th, 2008 at 12:43 pm… As Long As Iraqis Are The Ones Dying…
January 6th, 2008 at 12:44 pmThey’re not real humans you see, only Americans are real humans.
McCain’s bus has left the depot.
January 6th, 2008 at 12:47 pmwell, if the Military Industrial Complex is to survive,
January 6th, 2008 at 12:52 pmthen mcCAVE has to be the nominee… and the president…
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The point is it’s American casualties. We’ve go to get American’s off the frontlines, have the Iraqis as part of the strategy, take over more and more of the responsibilities, and then I don’t think Americans are concerned if we’re there for one hundred years or a thousand years or ten thousand years.
Sounds like a tacit acknowledgement that American troops should redeploy, out of harm’s way. He attacked Murtha for proposing essentially the same thing.
January 6th, 2008 at 12:53 pm“…I don’t think…”
If one cares to notice, this is John McCain’s most commonly used qualifier for his opinions.
At least he’s being honest……
January 6th, 2008 at 12:53 pmThink China will be willing to finance U. S. imperialism for the next 10,000 years?
January 6th, 2008 at 12:53 pmSaid with the confidence of a man who hasn’t checked the bill.
January 6th, 2008 at 1:00 pmPersonally, I wouldn’t mind it if John McCain stayed in Iraq for the next 10,000 years. Perhaps, he could even single-handedly save the Iraqi economy by buying rugs in the Baghdad markets every day.
An earlier poster commented that McCain’s bus has left the depot. Quite true. And it was a short bus at that.
January 6th, 2008 at 1:05 pm#22 — There are two ways McCain’s comment can be interpreted to my way of thinking:
1. Does McCain think the American people don’t care; or,
2. Is McCain admitting that HE doesn’t think before he utters these non-reality based comments of his?
Either way, it indicates to me that McCain is out of touch with how the American people think about the Iraq disaster.
January 6th, 2008 at 1:11 pmI think it was pretty clear that he felt it was caualties that upset the
American people, not the prescence per se. It is a tough point to argue with. Where is the uproar and agitation for us to leave Germany, S. Korea, Okinawa, Kosovo etc. etc? I think we’d be shocked at how many Americans don’t even know we have troops in those places.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 6, 2008 @ 12:28 pm
The agitation to get troops out of Okinawa come from the locals, actually. Although they view the Americans as occupiers, the troops are there at the request of the Japanese government (for now) and are ultimately destined to move to Australia.
There is no parallel, however, between Iraq and any of these other installations as you well know. Other than Okinawa and some occasional problems in Korea, the locals do not view the Americans as interlopers and usually welcome their contribution to the economy and security. The Iraqis have made it very clear they don’t want US troops stationed there and any such long-term occupation will just continue to provide fodder for the fundies. It’s an effective way for the US to encourage terrorism, and to fuel (heh) the local belief that the US is only there to steal resources.
Which, ultimately, is difficult to argue with. Why else are there troops in the Middle East?
January 6th, 2008 at 1:17 pmI think what McCain is saying here, is that if American soldiers aren’t dying, Americans won’t be concerned about staying in Iraq. It’s like how we have soldiers in Korea. I don’t see many posts here lamenting that we have troops in Korea, although it has been 50+ years.
Both the American public and the Iraqi public wants us out of Iraq but yet we’re still there. McCain and others are sacrificing American men and women and Iraqi men, women and children because of their arrogance and it’s sickening.
I don’t see many posts here lamenting that we have troops in Korea, although it has been 50+ years.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 6, 2008 @ 1:09 pm
When we become an occupying force in Korea, call us.
January 6th, 2008 at 1:17 pmI think what McCain is saying here, is that if American soldiers aren’t dying, Americans won’t be concerned about staying in Iraq. It’s like how we have soldiers in Korea. I don’t see many posts here lamenting that we have troops in Korea, although it has been 50+ years.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 6, 2008 @ 1:09 pm
Then McCain is full of shit. I never wanted us in Iraq. I want us out of Iraq because we shouldn’t be there. There is no reason for it — other than OIL, and that’s not a good enough reason for this slaughter.
I want Coalition forces to stop dying. I want Americans to stop dying. And I want the Iraqis, who have been dying at a much greater rate than ANY of us, to stop dying.
I’m an American patriot — not a flag humper.
January 6th, 2008 at 1:26 pmMcCain wants to be the next puppet President screwing Americans for petro industry profits. Clearly he means, we’ll be there until the last drop of oil is pumped out of the ground.
January 6th, 2008 at 1:30 pmBush and Hillary are copying Obama on key aspects of his foreign policy agenda. Obama has been talking about STRIKING at bin Ladin and al Qaeda WHERE THEY LIVE. It’s time. It’s time to eradicate al Qaeda already. It’s time to stop pussyfooting around in Iraq. It’s time. Now Bush is copying Obama. Hillary is also making similar noises. I say we vote for the leader on foreign policy, Obama. Obama knew Iraq was trash from the start. Obama knew we needed to finish business in the Afghanistan region.
http://www.nytimes.com/ 2008/ 01/ 06/ washington/ 06terror.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
http://rawstory.com/ news/ 2007/ Hillary_seems_to_raise_possibility_of_0105.html
This is more proof that the self-proclaimed “experience” of the current politicians like Hillary and Bush are four steps behind Obama.
Sorry to sound like such a cheerleader, but I am calling it like I see it.
January 6th, 2008 at 1:31 pmComment by gummitch — January 6, 2008 @ 1:17 pm
Argh, just wrote a long response that didn’t make it.
The central truth of this debate and of McCains comments is that if security continues to improve and American casualties continue to decline, mainstream America will tolerate a prescence in Iraq indefinitely. Look at how the issue has receded since the surge began in June - it was white hot even 3 months ago - now, not so much.
January 6th, 2008 at 1:36 pmWhen Russett got onto the subject of staying in Iraq for 100 years my blood began to boil. St. McCain said, well we’ve been in Japan for sixty years and have bases all around the world. My question has been and still is, why are we in Japan, Germany and other countries when they don’t have bases in our country? What purpose does it serve draining our dollars from being put to better use here in America? This is exactly the point Ron Paul made yesterday while the rest of his fellow R’pubs snickered and made faces.
January 6th, 2008 at 1:38 pmWhy throw billions away if not trillions over the years into countries acting as the worlds policeman? Just doesn’t make sense, when those dollars could be put to better use here at home in areas like education and rebuiding a crumbling infrastructure.
But as usual, the MSM never really gets around to asking anything other than soft ball questions and not holding a politicians feet to the fire.
The central truth of this debate and of McCains comments is that if security continues to improve and American casualties continue to decline, mainstream America will tolerate a prescence in Iraq indefinitely. …
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 6, 2008 @ 1:36 pm
and what of the iraqi people’s tolerance?
don’t be so selfish… dense… bigotted…
January 6th, 2008 at 1:42 pm…
mainstream America will tolerate a prescence in Iraq indefinitely. …
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 6, 2008 @ 1:36 pm
I doubt that very much.
And the rest of the middle east will not tolerate an indefinite presence either.
January 6th, 2008 at 1:48 pmMuch like the situation in Korea today.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 6, 2008 @ 1:48 pm
Only if you compare oranges with coconuts.
Totally different situation in both countries then and now.
January 6th, 2008 at 1:51 pmIt was laughable this morning listening to McCain critcising Bush for big spending on NBC ‘Meet The Press’,yet he gave Bush credit for the war in Iraq.
McCain forgot that most of Bush’s spending went to war in Iraq.
If McCain wants to stay in Iraq another 100 years, did he think how is he going to do it in a cheap and unexpensive way, in addition to another war with Iran now he is promoting with his buddy Joe Lieberman (I).
McCain needs to understand that he cannot have it both ways, less spending and more wars.
I think he and Joe need to retire,and go fishing together.
January 6th, 2008 at 1:51 pmI believe that the supposition was that after there is stability (and troops and Iraqis are not dying) that Americans wouldn’t be concerned about our presence in Iraq. Much like the situation in Korea today.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 6, 2008 @ 1:48 pm
What about now? Both Americans and Iraqis are fed up with the current situation and want us out.
And Korea does not equal Iraq. It’s a false comparison.
January 6th, 2008 at 1:53 pmThe central truth of this debate and of McCains comments is that if security continues to improve and American casualties continue to decline, mainstream America will tolerate a prescence in Iraq indefinitely. Look at how the issue has receded since the surge began in June - it was white hot even 3 months ago - now, not so much.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 6, 2008 @ 1:36 pm
A couple of things: Americans will not tolerate such a presence because it would be impossible for US forces to be stationed in Iraq without casualties. The Iraqis will not tolerate them being there as an occupation force and the insurgency will continue as long as they are there. And you’ve ignored what I wrote about how the presence of US troops fuels fundamentalist terrorists throughout the region. It is, after all, one of the primary objectives of Al Qaeda.
Second, if Iraq appears to you to have fallen off American attention, I think you’re not paying much attention yourself — and the current relative calm in Iraq is largely a product of a number of very unstable alliances and agreements.
January 6th, 2008 at 1:56 pmThat’s fine, John, take it to the polls and we’ll see about it.
January 6th, 2008 at 1:56 pmHow many times were you hit in the head as a POW mc cain? Something is very wrong with this man.
January 6th, 2008 at 1:58 pmCould our presence in Iraq be the next South Korea & Japan if a Republican President is elected?
http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1434
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January 6th, 2008 at 2:03 pmComment by CaptainMantastic — January 6, 2008 @ 1:58 pm
I assume you are controlling for those that didn’t know there where troops in Korea and those who didn’t know there was a korea let alone two.
January 6th, 2008 at 2:04 pmand what of the iraqi people’s tolerance?
don’t be so selfish… dense… bigotted…
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Comment by katy — January 6, 2008 @ 1:42 pm
With respect, katy, this thread is about domestic American politics and the comments of one of the Presidential candidates. The Iraqi government has not asked us to leave, but for the purposes of the thread it is off topic.
January 6th, 2008 at 2:04 pmToday, American troops are not dying in Korea. And Koreans are not dying as a result of our presence. And Americans are not, by and large, not concern about our presence there.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 6, 2008 @ 1:58 pm
The Korean model has no comparison to Iraq. Korea is a cease fire, based on a DMZ zone between the 2 waring factions, dividing the country into 2 separate divisions, the North Communist and the South’s semi-democracy.
Iraq is an occupation, the front is anywhere a soldier is.
Comparing the two situations is ludicrous, there is no basis to even compare.
January 6th, 2008 at 2:06 pmSo will our presence in Iraq be like what we have in S. Korea and Germany, or will it be more like the British Army’s presence in Northern Ireland during the 1970s and 80s?
January 6th, 2008 at 2:07 pmWayne. The are different. I only suggested that if Iraqis and Coalition troops were not dying, Americans would not be concerned about our presence in Iraq.
The Iraqis don’t want us there.
Today, American troops are not dying in Korea. And Koreans are not dying as a result of our presence. And Americans are not, by and large, not concern about our presence there.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 6, 2008 @ 1:58 pm
We’re not an occupying force in Korea and we’re not involved in anyway in their political situation. Korea is essentially a vacation spot for the military.
January 6th, 2008 at 2:09 pmI think McCain meant to say, “Only the people who reside with me in our goofy GOP bubble of unreality we ‘conservatives” have created think the US should spend 10,000 years in Iraq.”
January 6th, 2008 at 2:13 pmKeltoi @ mommy’s basement:
With respect, katy, this thread is about domestic American politics and the comments of one of the Presidential candidates. The Iraqi government has not asked us to leave, but for the purposes of the thread it is off topic.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 6, 2008 @ 2:04 pm
Caption of the thread:
McCain: ‘I Dont Think Americans Are Concerned’ If We Stay In Iraq For ‘10,000 Years’
So the illegal invasion and occupation of another country is “domestic American politics”, not an international politics one?
Your reading comprehension really sucks.
January 6th, 2008 at 2:15 pmCan you say “Out of touch?!?!?!”
January 6th, 2008 at 2:17 pm.
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With respect, katy, this thread is about domestic American politics and the comments of one of the Presidential candidates. The Iraqi government has not asked us to leave, but for the purposes of the thread it is off topic.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 6, 2008 @ 2:04 pm
A majority of the Iraqi government has signed a document requesting that we leave and Maliki had requested the same until Rice put him in his place. He actually thought (for a second) that he had real power. Silly him.
January 6th, 2008 at 2:18 pmWith respect, katy, this thread is about domestic American politics and the comments of one of the Presidential candidates. The Iraqi government has not asked us to leave, but for the purposes of the thread it is off topic.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 6, 2008 @ 2:04 pm
A majority of the Iraqi government has signed a document requesting that we leave and Maliki had requested the same until Rice put him in his place. He actually thought (for a second) that he had real power. Silly him.
Comment by Nat — January 6, 2008 @ 2:18 pm
Oh, but when these news where in the first page of the papers, Keltoi was searching for the section “Schools painted” and “Sports” at the last pages.
January 6th, 2008 at 2:20 pmEvil Span: Keltoi @ mommy’s basement
Evil Spaniard @ The Government’s Basement
HA HA HA HA - And I’m sure it’s true.
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 2:22 pm
At what Government exactly? And where you say?
That explains you believe the void and generalistic slogans of McCoin.
A hint: the three first points of your wishlist can be attained by stopping the war, bozo.
And, you want personal responsability? Don’t tell me, you voted for Bush in the 2000 and 2004. Illuse.
January 6th, 2008 at 2:26 pmAnd you’ve ignored what I wrote about how the presence of US troops fuels fundamentalist terrorists throughout the region. It is, after all, one of the primary objectives of Al Qaeda.
Second, if Iraq appears to you to have fallen off American attention, I think you’re not paying much attention yourself — and the current relative calm in Iraq is largely a product of a number of very unstable alliances and agreements.
Comment by gummitch — January 6, 2008 @ 1:56 pm
As I said, I wrote you a longer response but the ether swallowed it. I am short on time and I will have to make this it for now.
AQ has said the war in Iraq is the major struggle in the GWOT. I take them at their word. They are suffering big time in Iraq right now. This is good. If they are seen to have been defeated, it will damage their street cred. Ditto with us if we are seen to be driven out.
There is no denying Iraq as a story and an issue has receded with the drop off in US casualties. Everyone here still pays attention, but we are abnormal news junkies. Even the Center for American Progress acknowledged the “drift” of our focus.
>>McCain: ‘I Dont Think Americans Are Concerned’ If We Stay In Iraq For ‘10,000 Years’
Comment by Evil Spaniard — January 6, 2008 @ 2:15 pm
Spaniard, glass houses on the reading comprehension thing, baby. When Iraqis get to vote in US Presidential elections, the topic of this thread will be germane to public in opinion in Iraq. I am not saying such opinion is irrelevant in general, only as applies to this thread.
Have a nice day, all.
January 6th, 2008 at 2:31 pmThe Republican Welfare Program, know as the Iraq occupation, will come to an end when the rest of the world stops buying our debt to finance this travesty. They are waiting for the results of the 2008 election. If 10,000 year McCain is selected, the spigot gets shut-off.
What would a trillion or two dollars have done for our energy independence and our domestic economy these past 7 years? It’s obvious that this Big Oil/Big MIC administration is looking after their narrow financial interests, but McCain is hallucinating if he thinks we can sustain the financial drain for another 20 years, let alone 10,000. But keep making these stupid comments, John….it’s almost like you want the Republicans to lose in 2008.
January 6th, 2008 at 2:32 pmSpaniard, glass houses on the reading comprehension thing, baby. When Iraqis get to vote in US Presidential elections, the topic of this thread will be germane to public in opinion in Iraq. I am not saying such opinion is irrelevant in general, only as applies to this thread.
Have a nice day, all.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 6, 2008 @ 2:31 pm
No, you simply said that the decission on an international war is a “domestic issue” of the USA. Keltoi, you can’t separate so neatly the decission of the USA voters of the international consequences. Attitudes like yours are and have been the root of all the sh!t that flew off the fan with the Iraq invasion, and others before.
You can parse words all that you want (by the way, you said before that iraqis never said that they wanted the USA out of Iraq, until corrected, who has the worst reading comprehension?), but the fact that the candidate elected by the USA electorate will influence in the international politics is a fact, are these voters aware or not.
Not a “domestic issue”, as you would wish.
January 6th, 2008 at 2:40 pmJohnny the Shitheel is losing voters to Obama.
McCain and Romney will limp out of NH battered and broken.
-GSD
January 6th, 2008 at 2:43 pmHow much spam do you have for us today?
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 2:40 pm
How much rightwing crap do you have for us today? Personal responsibility? Please. Never has been a Republican with any at all.
January 6th, 2008 at 2:44 pmYeah. That’s why I’m endorsing McCain, who could round up solid majorities back to the House and Senate by returning to the conservative acumen. That’s what the people want.
And McCain, the military vet, can make the military decisions for our nation, not a code pink representative.
And bad enough for you, I didn’t vote for Bush in 2000/2004. Seemed like a democrat to me, that’s why our country is in bad shape.
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 2:32 pm
So you want a McCain/Mussolini ticket? It explains all.
January 6th, 2008 at 2:45 pmIs MacCain in contact with the American people?????? Since when???!
January 6th, 2008 at 2:46 pmEven if there were zero American deaths in Iraq I still think a majority of the people in this country will want us out for two reasons. The first is that it morally wrong to occupy a foreign country against the wishes of the people who live there. Second, occupying Iraq is bankrupting this country. This is not a fact that has escaped the attention of the people in this country. I’m sure they would rather see our tax dollars going to improving this country than going to occupy a country who wants us gone.
McCain is certifiable.
January 6th, 2008 at 2:49 pmComment by plunger — January 6, 2008 @ 2:50 pm
TCC doens’t consider spam cutting and pasting the McCain political program (who is yet another Republican program with the talking points rehashed).
January 6th, 2008 at 2:53 pmI guess the Iraqis don’t have any say in the matter. We are the New Romans. They are part of our empire.
Majority of Iraqis agree with attacks on our troops. In recent survey, 2% in Basra said the occupation was a positive. In February 2006, 70% of our troops said they should come home by February 2007.
Hint: The Iraqis are still mad as hell at the British because they occupied Iraq for a short time 88 years ago.
January 6th, 2008 at 2:55 pmThat’s why they’re called democrats.
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 2:51 pm
Hey, the rubber/glue defense. That’s new!
January 6th, 2008 at 2:55 pmIt is a tough point to argue with. Where is the uproar and agitation for us to leave Germany, S. Korea, Okinawa, Kosovo etc. etc? I think we’d be shocked at how many Americans don’t even know we have troops in those places.
Comment by Keltoi at Night
The difference is, loon Keltoi, that we are not occupying those countries and our presence is there with the full permission of the governments.
The Iraqi people want us out of their country. They couldn’t make that more clear. They are killing our soldiers because they want us out. They answer polling questions saying they want us out.
And, finally, it is morally reprehensible for us to occupy a country against their will.
January 6th, 2008 at 2:56 pmNot to my surprise, there’s a misunderstanding. The clear conservative ticket for 2008 would be McCain/Thompson.
If that comes to be, good luck being a democrat.
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 2:55 pm
Be prepared for a great deception, maybe greater than the one you suffered with that dirty lefty hippy of Bush.
Oh, and BTW, I’m not Dem either.
January 6th, 2008 at 2:57 pmWe have about 750 bases in 130 countries. Sure beats the Romans.
All things considered, we spend about $1 Trillion every year on our military.
The Iraq war will cost at least $2 Trillion. According to the sixteen intelligence agencies of the USA, it has made us LESS secure.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:00 pmComment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 2:58 pm
Curious posturing of the USA ultra conservatives, they hate the government for the sake of it, yet they spout word by word what they are feed by the candidates to the Presidency of that same government.
Wear your blinders proudly con-bot.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:02 pmLook at how the issue has receded since the surge began in June - it was white hot even 3 months ago - now, not so much.
Comment by Keltoi at Night
The only reason why the issue has “receded” is because the MSM has stopped reporting on Iraq. But, it is still a central issue with most of the sane people in this country and will stay that way until we are out.
Loon Keltoi - don’t you have a problem with bankrupting this country to occupy another country against their will?
January 6th, 2008 at 3:04 pmRemember old Piss and Vinegar Zell Miller at the GO0Per convention?
“Them Dimmy-crats are sayin’ we wanna OCC-You-Pie Eye-Rack!”
-GSD
January 6th, 2008 at 3:05 pmBeing a clear conservative makes me a responsible and true American. Sorry you haven’t tried that. You can always conspire to steal my earnings and push crazy lies like only big government can do.
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 2:58 pm
You remind me of a guy named Schicklgruber.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:06 pmBut by McCain’s logic, 10,000 or even one million years is not “forever.â€
Well, in the overall scheme of things, it isn’t. The Earth, after all, is over four Billion years old; the universe is reckoned to be in the neighborhood of 10-15 Billion years old. So what’s 10,000 or 1,000,000 compared to that?
January 6th, 2008 at 3:07 pmEven in the scheme of humanity, the 10,000 isn’t. As a species, homo sapiens has existed for less than half a million years. Our specific subspecies, homo sapiens sapiens, has only been around for about half that time. (History has only been “recorded” for about 6000 years, but we do have some knowledge of things that weren’t recorded at the time but were passed down through oral tradition.)
Of course, since humans tend to live a span of only decades, the tendency is to think of a mere 10,000 years as “forever”.
If the conservatives were true to their word, after toppling the government in Iraq, they would have NEVER helped rebuild the government, because “the government is the problem”.
-GSD
January 6th, 2008 at 3:07 pmI believe that the supposition was that after there is stability (and troops and Iraqis are not dying) that Americans wouldn’t be concerned about our presence in Iraq. Much like the situation in Korea today.
Comment by CaptainMantastic
Over and over and over again, the RNC talking point - Iraq is like Korea. Iraq IS NOT like Korea. The Koreans want us there, the people in Iraq DO NOT! That is the difference asshat.
Also, the supposition was that after there is “stability” the Iraqi government would get it’s act together. That has not happened. I don’t want to see one more human being (and the Iraqi’s are human beings contrary to the Republiscum beliefs) to die because we illegally invaded a foreign country.
I often imagine how loudly the Republiscums in this country would be screaming if we were being occupied by another country. They would be in the streets with their guns shooting at the occupying force. Wait… isn’t that what the people in Iraq are doing?
January 6th, 2008 at 3:10 pmComment by GSD — January 6, 2008 @ 3:07 pm
Yes, but if they hadn’t created the Iraqi government, guess what other unique government would be the one left to blame? That would have been too pristine even for conservative voters. They had to create a puppet government to pin the blame in case of need.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:11 pmComment by The Clear Conservative
You spelled alert incorrectly, row 23, column 7.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:12 pmIf big government doesn’t “steal earnings”, then how does it pay for:
- A strong defense with our military resources well maintained;
January 6th, 2008 at 3:12 pm- Secure borders with employer sanctions;
and
- Deportation of criminal aliens?
Comment by bilbobaggins — January 6, 2008 @ 3:10 pm
Did you see “RED DAWN”?
January 6th, 2008 at 3:13 pmComment by RickS — January 6, 2008 @ 3:12 pm
The strong personnality of a strong Republican ticket will drive out the illegals running, who will build a wall (free for the USA) to protect themselves of the irate gaze of these demigods of justice and law. They will send back gifts to mitigate their just fury, gifts that can be used to fund a stronger military, again for free for the USA citizen.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:18 pmThe Iraqi government has not asked us to leave, but for the purposes of the thread it is off topic.
Comment by Keltoi at Night
Your post about our troops in Korea was also off topic asshat.
And the “Iraqi Government” has not asked us to leave because they are nothing more than Bush puppets. The only “government” that has been elected in Iraq is the Parliament, and they have expressed an opinion that they want us to leave Iraq. They issued a declaration to that affect last April and have not changed their mind. So, as far as I am concerned, what the people of Iraq and the duly elected representatives want trumps what Bush’s puppets want.
WASHINGTON - The end of 2007 produced a telltale indication of what the New Year seems likely to bring to Iraq. “We the Iraqi members of Parliament signing below demand a timetable for withdrawal of the occupation forces [MNF] from our beloved Iraq,” 144 members of the 275-member Parliament, a clear majority, wrote in a declaration April 2007.
http://www.atimes.com/ atimes/ Middle_East/ JA04Ak03.html
January 6th, 2008 at 3:20 pmIt pays for it with what I want to pay. What I want to donate to government.
It pays for it with CHOICE OF THE INDIVIDUAL CITIZEN!
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:17 pm
But, if conservative people don’t want to give their money in taxes, what makes you think that they would be willing to give it in donations? Because the name of the money transaction is changed?
January 6th, 2008 at 3:23 pmLOOoooOOOOOooON
Scurry.
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:13 pm
P-brain is on a meth rant again…..
January 6th, 2008 at 3:23 pm#72 - Comment by plunger — January 6, 2008 @ 2:46 pm
Thank you plunger for learning to link rather than cut-and-paste spams. You do have important things to say. You just have not been saying it in the proper way.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:27 pmI am a compassionate conservative.
Comment by The Clear Conservative
Now where have we heard that before? There is nothing compassionate about invading a country and occupying it against it’s will.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:28 pmBecause conservatives tend to donate a lot more to charity than liberals anyway. SO WHY NOT GO THE WHOLE WAY!?!?!?!?
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:25 pm
Link, please.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:28 pmBecause conservatives tend to donate a lot more to charity than liberals anyway. SO WHY NOT GO THE WHOLE WAY!?!?!?!?
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:25 pm
I don’t suppose you have any proof for that assertion?
Of course not…….
January 6th, 2008 at 3:30 pmYou never do.
Because conservatives tend to donate a lot more to charity than liberals anyway. SO WHY NOT GO THE WHOLE WAY!?!?!?!?
Comment by The Clear Conservative
Oh really. Do you care to back up that assertion with proof? NO? Not surprised. Right wing trolls never back up their inane statements with proof, or they back it up with proof from right-wing websites.
Wouldn’t it be refreshing to have a true conservative who can debate us with facts rather than these RNC droids?
January 6th, 2008 at 3:30 pmplease FLAG it! … it’s the only proper thing to do…
there’s just too much stoopid… FLAG IT!
January 6th, 2008 at 3:32 pmComment by bilbobaggins — January 6, 2008 @ 3:20 pm
bimbobigass?
Comment by The Clear Conservative
Wow, we have a new rightard troll who thinks he is funny. He’s about as funny as Faux Noise’s comedy show was that lasted, what, a week?
Stick to your lies and obfuscations rightard, you are way better at it than you are at comedy.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:33 pmAnd, what I think is that most conservatives justify themselves not wanting to pay taxes because they already make donations. What makes you think, TCC, that they want to INCREASE the value of their donations if taxes are elliminated? Or increase the value of their donations ENOUGH to pay for the things that are payed actually with the taxes?
January 6th, 2008 at 3:33 pmplease FLAG it! … it’s the only proper thing to do…
there’s just too much stoopid… FLAG IT!
Comment by katy
I’m flagging Katy, have been for days. Doesn’t seem like TP is paying attention any longer, though.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:33 pmhttp://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2682730
Comment by The Clear Conservative
Give me a break. They make this assertion based on people putting money in Salvation Army buckets. And they also base it on a book written by a right winger. Real objective data there! The fact of the matter is that most Salvation Army buckets are in front of Wal Mart and no self-respecting Liberal would be caught dead shopping at Wal Mart. And finally, ABC has become Faux light in recent years. Pretty much everything they do has a right wing slant.
If you can come up with a objective research that proves your point, fine. Otherwise STFU.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:40 pmI believe that the supposition was that after there is stability (and troops and Iraqis are not dying) that Americans wouldn’t be concerned about our presence in Iraq. Much like the situation in Korea today.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 6, 2008 @ 1:48 pm
There will never be stability in Iraq. You live in a dream world.
There is no comparison between Iraq and Korea, so you can drop that one.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:40 pmOnce again, I bring up the fact WE really do NOT know how many have died in Iraq. Some, ex: the Harring Report, claim this number could be 8 times as many reported. When you watch the number on the DOD site. DOD’s number only goes up when a death is reported that day, that died on Iraqi soil. During the Vietnam war, the death rate was around 58,000… and when you check out the Vietnam Wall Memorial site, you will see they were STILL adding names of those that died in 1980 - years after that so called war was over.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:41 pmbilbo, prostituting yourself on TP still doesn’t pay, no matter when you believe that payday will come.
Now, hurry up and give to TP (â€ThinksGivingâ€), because that’s the only reason you’re still able to post here.
Comment by The Clear Conservative
Actually what I won’t do is prostitute myself any longer by responding to your inane and baseless posts. Flag yes, respond no. I don’t hit my head on a brick wall more than a couple of times. After that, I stop.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:41 pmROTFL!!! Mr P (The Clear Lunatic Conservative) posts an article by the LUNATIC JOHN STOSSEL referring to a HALF BAKED BOOK by Op Ed MORON Arthur Brooks that has LONG BEEN DEBUNKED as FACTS!!! Another OP-ED that the MORONIC RIGHT thinks is a FACTUAL STUDY!!! ROTFL!! Mr. Pee, you’re a FOOL!!
Even by Brook’s own admission:
To make his point forcefully, Brooks admits he cut out a lot of qualifying information.
Translation - he FIXED THE FACTS to fit his ASSUMPTION!
If you’re donating to building a MEGA-CHURCH and BUYING Pat Robertsons MIRACLE SNAKEOIL that’s considered CHARITY!! ROTFL!! The BEST CHARITY is getting you COMMITTED to the PROPER MENTAL INSTITUTION - Mr. PEE!!!
Please everyone - flag this DERAILING FOOL!
January 6th, 2008 at 3:43 pmYou can always conspire to steal my earnings and push crazy lies like only big government can do.
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 2:58 pm
That’s the Bush plan, all the way.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:43 pmOtherwise, do the STFU-ing and don’t pretend to have a chance against ABC, left-wing vermin scum.
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:42 pm
Oooh, the not-in-Iraq coward calls up Hitler’s ghost!
January 6th, 2008 at 3:44 pmOtherwise, do the STFU-ing and don’t pretend to have a chance against ABC, left-wing vermin scum.
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:42 pm
ABC- Left Wing? ROTFL!!! You mean the channel that ran the 911 REPUBLICAN PROPAGANDA? Ah, Mr. Pee, no wonder you’re sh*tting all over the threads, with your head shoved so far up your @ss!
January 6th, 2008 at 3:44 pmIf we’re going to be there that long, shouldn’t we make Iraq the 51st state?
McCain could run for governor — show us how it’s done!
January 6th, 2008 at 3:45 pmActually, the red states giving more to charity speaks volumes about the study, while ‘crats just want to stockpiles people’s money to cover their fat pensions.
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:43 pm
Actually, you are very good at putting two lies in one absurd statement, but that’s no surprise. Go change the air in your head.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:45 pmActually, the red states giving more to charity speaks volumes about the study, while ‘crats just want to stockpiles people’s money to cover their fat pensions.
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:43 pm
ROTFL!!! Except for the fact that this was only claimed by ONE WINGNUT OP-ED MORON and it DID NOT hold up under SCRUTINY!!
January 6th, 2008 at 3:45 pmTime for your melt-down, P, you haven’t made a lick of sense or told the truth once since you came here to puke what’s left of your diseased brain out.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:46 pmSTFU spammer!! You’re debunked without even laying a finger on the keyboard!
WHAT’S WRONG, DID MICHAEL SAVAGE MAKE YOU CRY THE OTHER DAY!?!?!?!?!??!
-’tard!!!
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:45 pm
ROTFL!!! you claim to be a REAL CONSERVATIVE and you quote MICHAEL SAVAGE - and EXTREMIST RACIST PIG? ROTFL!!! You’re SO STUPID Mr. PEE!! Is that why you MURDERED YOUR GIRLFRIEND when she found out you were GAY?
January 6th, 2008 at 3:46 pmMr. Brooks is Roman Catholic and politically independent, and has registered as both a Democrat and a Republican in the past decade. In an interview, he says he set out to write a book about values and philanthropy, with no hidden agenda.
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:46 pm
A REGISTERED INDEPENDENT that was MOST RECENTLY a REPUBLICAN - where have we heard that NONSENSE before? Oh yeah - BILL’O!! ROTFL you’re a MORON Mr. PEE!
January 6th, 2008 at 3:47 pmMr. Brooks is Roman Catholic and politically independent, and has registered as both a Democrat and a Republican in the past decade. In an interview, he says he set out to write a book about values and philanthropy, with no hidden agenda.
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:46 pm
Mr. Brooks makes his living by lying to wingnut fools like CC. He sees them coming from a long way off. They telegraph their stupidity.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:47 pmComment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:33 pm
John Stossel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stossel
Stossel practices advocacy journalism where he often challenges “conventional wisdom”.[2] His reports, a blend of commentary and reporting, reflect a roughly libertarian political philosophy and his views on economics are largely supportive of the free market. This makes him a “contrarian” in American media and he has been targeted by left-wing organizations that disagree with him.[3]
So an op-ed piece from a libertarian. I see. Objectivity over all.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:48 pmWhy are you TP’s token moronic half-wit?
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:47 pm
Hey you’re the ODD MAN OUT (what a TOKEN is), and still posting! Don’t you EVER get tired of PROJECTING - Mr. Pee? ROTFL!! Or is it just because you can’t get over what your DADDY did to you as a little boy? ROTFL!!
January 6th, 2008 at 3:48 pmActually, the red states giving more to charity speaks volumes about the study, while ‘crats just want to stockpiles people’s money to cover their fat pensions.
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:43 pm
And blue states pay more in taxes to carry along your free-loader ass.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:49 pmMr. Brooks makes his living by lying to wingnut fools like CC. He sees them coming from a long way off. They telegraph their stupidity.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — January 6, 2008 @ 3:47 pm
Brooks also claimed that because Conservatives are breeding like feral dogs, that the country would become more conservative because children are as STUPID as their parents (that’s of course a paraphrase ;) Brooks was actually HAPPY this would happen - but he’s not a CONSERVATIVE!!! rotfl!!
January 6th, 2008 at 3:50 pmDr. SAVAGE HOLDS TWO MASTERS AND A PhD AND YOU LIVE IN THE GOVERNMENT’S BASEMENT YOU LEFTIST TROLL HALF-WIT
“ROTFL!!†“-’tard†- As I can tell, you didn’t get very far in life.
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:49 pm
and you buy his claims and his lies? Wow, P, you’re beyond any hope. that’s why you’re an antiAmerican scumsucker, as rightards all are.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:50 pmDr. SAVAGE HOLDS TWO MASTERS AND A PhD AND YOU LIVE IN THE GOVERNMENT’S BASEMENT YOU LEFTIST TROLL HALF-WIT
“ROTFL!!†“-’tard†- As I can tell, you didn’t get very far in life.
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:49 pm
ROTFL!!! Sure! Dr. Savage is AUTOMATICALLY RIGHT because he’s EDUCATED, but the PHD’s talking about GLOBAL WARMING and EVOLUTION are ALL WRONG!!!
Your SCHIZOID POSTS really make me laugh there ‘tard!! ROTFL!!
January 6th, 2008 at 3:51 pmSorry, Spanny, you’ve been thoroughly debunked. Besides, leftists hate charties, since they’re private, so what’s the fuss about?
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:50 pm
So you call yourself SPANNY!! ROTFL!!!
January 6th, 2008 at 3:51 pmSorry, Spanny, you’ve been thoroughly debunked. Besides, leftists hate charties, since they’re private, so what’s the fuss about?
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:50 pm
righties take pride in starving their children and grandparents to death. Their “charitable” giving is non-existent. P’s got all of his lies in the air today, to be shot down by those of us who know how to read. Bye, P, you’re melting!
January 6th, 2008 at 3:52 pmI guess that Wingnut forgot that Warren Buffet (A GREAT SOCIAL LIBERAL) has left more money to charity than probably his ENTIRE 25 STATES OF WINGNUT REPUBLICANS PUT TOGETHER!!! And unlike the republi’tards, he didn’t give it all to build MEGA CHURCHES and METH FOR GAY MINISTERS!! ROTFL!!
January 6th, 2008 at 3:53 pm“free-loader†and “conservative†doesn’t link, dim-bulb.
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:51 pm
actually, they mean exactly the same thing.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:53 pmMichael Savage is OBSESSED with gay sex. OBSESSED I say.
I guess if I looked like a foppish version of Leon Trotsky I’d wanna bolster my manly credentials too.
-GSD
January 6th, 2008 at 3:53 pm“free-loader†and “conservative†doesn’t link, dim-bulb.
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:51 pm
ROTFL!! It doesn’t? Guess you never heard of HALLIBURTON!! Wow you’re a STUPID CHILD!
January 6th, 2008 at 3:53 pmIsn’t my argument against an overtaxing, intrusive government?
Thanks for the complement.
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
Thanks for arguing against Republicans, then. Every time you morons steal an election, government gets bigger and taxes go up. You should get off mommy’s tit once in a while, P.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:54 pm… As Long As Iraqis Are The Ones Dying -C&L
Comment by katy — January 6, 2008 @
January 6th, 2008 at 3:54 pm3904!!!! of your soldiers are dead. Your Constitution is also agonizing, not to mention your freedom! The US dollar… US$1 = RS$1.50!!!!! Yeah! Your are doing really good!
I don’t care who pays more taxes. Isn’t my argument against an overtaxing, intrusive government.
Thanks for the complement.
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
The MORONS that want to INTRUDE on the bodies of WOMEN and the sex lives of GAY PEOPLE are WHINING about INTRUSIVE GOVERNMENT!! The MORONS that spend MORE MONEY on CORPORATE CHARITY like TAKING OVER OIL RICH COUNTRIES whine about PAYING TAXES!!
ROTFL Mr. PEE you’re a FOOL!
January 6th, 2008 at 3:55 pmComment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:55 pm
You’ve only succeeded in debunking yourself and your unAmerican rightard pervert friends. what a loser!
January 6th, 2008 at 3:56 pm“free-loader†and “conservative†doesn’t link, dim-bulb.
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:51 pm
Maybe in your piss-soaked brain, but it’s pretty clear to me.
January 6th, 2008 at 3:58 pmWhat a neurotic kook, so fully debunked. Care to S—T—F–U now?
Oh, that’s right. I’m about to read more of this:
“ROTFL!!! ‘tard!!!! ;) !!!!@@@@#####%%%%â€
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:55 pm
Wow, I’m glad to see you wrote such FITTING ADVICE - FOR YOU!! ROTFL!!
January 6th, 2008 at 3:58 pmBush adviser says housing crisis to be over in six months-bruhaha-another good one.
January 6th, 2008 at 4:00 pmheres another cool one: Sarkozy tours Jordan (after Afghanistan ,Disneyland, the Vatican, Egypt)
… As Long As Iraqis Are The Ones Dying -C&L
Comment by katy — January 6, 2008 @
3904!!!! of your soldiers are dead. Your Constitution is also agonizing, not to mention your freedom! The US dollar… US$1 = RS$1.50!!!!! Yeah! Your are doing really good!
Comment by sacopenapa — January 6, 2008 @ 3:54 pm
Katy was being ironic.
January 6th, 2008 at 4:00 pmPoor Mr. Pee, never heard that donating to all of those GOP POLITICAL ADVOCACY GROUPS - such as the Lets Murder a Doctor Today - counts as CHARITY!!! Yeah, wingnut, you CONS are REAL GENEROUS!! ROTFL!!
January 6th, 2008 at 4:01 pm$250 Billion x 10,000 years = 2.5 QUADRILLION (plus inflation, plus interest)
It does not matter whether the war is actually happening, and, since no decisive victory is possible, it does not matter whether the war is going well or badly. All that is needed is that a state of war should exist.”
-1984, Orwell
January 6th, 2008 at 4:02 pmSorry, Spanny, you’ve been thoroughly debunked. Besides, leftists hate charties, since they’re private, so what’s the fuss about?
Comment by The Clear Conservative — January 6, 2008 @ 3:50 pm
In your dreams, Clearly Confused Conservative. The article says that people in conservative states give a greater percentage of their money to charities. First, I don’t see official data to demonstrate it. Only the comparative of buckets on two states (was every money bill marked with the affiliation of the donator?). Or the opinion of a couple people in favor of private charities, and the scarce data offerred by two private charities. I don’t see a total number anywhere.
I don’t see either total numbers in any place. Who are more willing to pay taxes, and in fact pay them? What helps more the country, the 300 milions of dolars payed in taxes by a mainly Democratic state or the 3 millions of dolars payed in charities plus taxes by a mainly Republican State. Where are directed the taxes of the Democratic states. To the poor Republican states perhaps?
January 6th, 2008 at 4:03 pmClear Conservative
Definition:
-Transparent, as in lacking in color or tone.
-No value, ingredients or substance.
-Inert
-Also, a rube who hoards moonshine.
January 6th, 2008 at 4:06 pmThis is very off topic, but Savage (real name Weiner, ha ha) used to be pretty far to the left in the North Beach area of San Francisco. A friend of Tomothy Leary and allegedly in love with Allen Ginberg. His education is in botany and nutrional ethnomedicine. Not political science or history. He thinks it funny to call a foreigner with brown skin “Turd World”.
The topic of this thread is how long we are occupying Iraq.
January 6th, 2008 at 4:07 pmMr. Pee also probably didn’t know that the Data Brooks used only showed people’s RELIGIOSITY, not their POLITICAL AFFILIATION. When you consider that many religious groups such as Catholics vote more for Democrats than Liberals - this is a PATENTLY RIDICULOUS THESIS!
But don’t let FACTS get in the way of your IGNORANT PROPAGANDA there Mr. PEEs METH!! ROTFL!!
January 6th, 2008 at 4:07 pmOkay, If the Iraq/Korea comparasion doesn’t work, I’m curious; what comparasion would you make?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 6, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
Poland/Germany is a better comparison in terms of American imperial power being illegally used to invade a sovereign nation that was no threat whatsoever. iraq will stabilize once we withdraw. We have lost, get over it. We deserved to lose. We lost in the first seconds of Shock & Awe, an extraordinarily cowardly way to “free” Iraqis.
January 6th, 2008 at 4:08 pmthere will never be stability in Iraq? That’s pessimistically unrealistic.
Okay, If the Iraq/Korea comparasion doesn’t work, I’m curious; what comparasion would you make?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 6, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
You have a pattern of being optimistically unrealistic, and there’s really no counter to your rainbows and unicorns vision of Iraq, so I won’t continue trying.
I wouldn’t make any comparison.
January 6th, 2008 at 4:08 pmthere will never be stability in Iraq? That’s pessimistically unrealistic.
Okay, If the Iraq/Korea comparasion doesn’t work, I’m curious; what comparasion would you make?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 6, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
Yugoslavia. They had to split for the SAME REASONS - MORON!
January 6th, 2008 at 4:09 pmKaty was being ironic.
Sorry Katy!!! I missunderstood you. Just got shocked by the idiot conservative, when I read the your comment about iraquis I got confused. Two milliow Iraqui civilians dead is not something that a normal human being can take lightly.
January 6th, 2008 at 4:10 pmI see our favorite troll’s mommy left her computer unattended again. Will she never learn?
January 6th, 2008 at 4:12 pmKaty was being ironic.
Comment by Zooey — January 6, 2008
January 6th, 2008 at 4:13 pmSorry! I missunderstood you!
Don’t worry, everybody; Mr. Pee will soon run out of poo to fling at the walls. Unless his mom fixes him a bowl of raisin bran for lunch…
January 6th, 2008 at 4:15 pmthere will never be stability in Iraq? That’s pessimistically unrealistic.
Okay, If the Iraq/Korea comparasion doesn’t work, I’m curious; what comparasion would you make?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 6, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
I think they’ll be relative stability when we leave. Look at Anbar and Basra. When authority was being handed to local control, the violence subsided in those places. Anyway, none of this matters. Bush should have never invaded and we sure as hell shouldn’t be there now.
January 6th, 2008 at 4:19 pmI see our favorite troll’s mommy left her computer unattended again. Will she never learn?
Comment by Impolitics — January 6, 2008 @ 4:12 pm
Of course, getting shown up (2-1 margin) in Iowa will only serve to unbalance the trolls even farther. It must suck to realize your heroes have become irrelevant. Can you say Democratic Super-majority?
As for McCain? He’s sold out every value he once stood for due to his lust for the Presidency. It’s sad. He used to do a lot of good for this country. Now? The best he can hope for is to live out his life outside of institutions. I think he’ll announce his retirement shortly after he’s eliminated, followed by a disclosure of Alzheimer’s.
January 6th, 2008 at 4:19 pmZooey. You don’t believe in unicorns?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 6, 2008 @ 4:19 pm
Ironic question coming from an ANTI-ATHEIST RELIGIOUS ZEALOT!! ROTFL!! Of COURSE you do! Along with all of the other MYTHICAL DREAM WORLD FANTASIES that MAKE UP A CONSERVATIVE Anti-Rational MORON!! ROTFL!!
January 6th, 2008 at 4:21 pmWhat career was claiming Mr. P that was studying? Oh, yes, ancient greek and latin languages.
Great domain of the discoursive and oratorical techniques. Demosthenes is spinning at his grave. Their neigbours call him “The Turbine”.
January 6th, 2008 at 4:21 pmIn your dreams, Clearly Confused Conservative. The article says that people in conservative states give a greater percentage of their money to charities. First, I don’t see official data to demonstrate it. Only the comparative of buckets on two states (was every money bill marked with the affiliation of the donator?).
Comment by Evil Spaniard — January 6, 2008 @ 4:03 pm
If you take out donations to religious organizations, Liberals have a clear advantage over conservatives.
January 6th, 2008 at 4:22 pmAnd, returning finally to the thread, dividing Iraq may have the same problems the old parts of Yugoslavia are having today: there exists parts of the country in dispute. Think also in Israel and Palestine. Think also in Turkey, looming over the Kurdish part of Iraq, to fall over it the day it is an independent country. I don’t see the partition as a clear or easy solution.
January 6th, 2008 at 4:24 pmIf you take out donations to religious organizations, Liberals have a clear advantage over conservatives.
Comment by Nat — January 6, 2008 @ 4:22 pm
If you take out donations to GOP POLITICAL ADVOCACY groups, they also have clear advantages…
January 6th, 2008 at 4:25 pmWhat’s even MORE SAD is in those 25 states that SUPPOSEDLY donate more to CHARITY there’s MORE POVERTY and MORE NEGLECT and MORE SOCIAL COLLAPSE than in the Blue States. So OBVIOUSLY the CHARITY isn’t actually getting to the places needed to DO SOME GOOD. Unfortunately for people in those wingnut states, they believe charity consists of RESTRICTING ABORTION and simply telling the poor people to GO TO CHURCH with their FORCED TO HAVE - UNWANTED CHILDREN. It’s a COMPLETE CROCK!
January 6th, 2008 at 4:26 pmOkay, If the Iraq/Korea comparasion doesn’t work, I’m curious; what comparasion would you make?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 6, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
There is no comparison, or precedent, for our occupation of Iraq. Bushco invaded a sovereign nation which HAD NOT ATTACKED US! (Two if one gets picky.) Why can’t rightwingers comprehend that simple fact? Are they just unwilling/unable to accept the fact Bushco effed up?
In the eyes of the world Bushco has lowered us to “