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	<title>Comments on: New Health Care Ad: &#8216;Every American Deserves CheneyCare&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: RSpeed</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/07/cheney-care-for-all/comment-page-2/#comment-4220284</link>
		<dc:creator>RSpeed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank God for California Nurses Association. They have the money and the integrity to stand up for what they believe. Go for it!
Lets all support HR 676  the National Single Payer bill by Conyers.
While your at it, if you are in California, write your Assemblyman and Senator to support SB 840 (Kuehl)  the only real health reform initiative alive in our state</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank God for California Nurses Association. They have the money and the integrity to stand up for what they believe. Go for it!<br />
Lets all support HR 676  the National Single Payer bill by Conyers.<br />
While your at it, if you are in California, write your Assemblyman and Senator to support SB 840 (Kuehl)  the only real health reform initiative alive in our state<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4220284', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Citizen_of_Earth</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/07/cheney-care-for-all/comment-page-2/#comment-4219748</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen_of_Earth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;73.  The Republiscums are NOT in the least bit interested in walking in someone elseâ€™s shoes. All they care about is themselves and those who are close to them. The rest of us can just fall off the face of the earth as far as they care. This is one reason why I donâ€™t believe in God. I canâ€™t believe that God would leave people like Frank M, golly and the other Republiscum trolls here on this earth without some kind of retribution for their sins. Unfortunately, I have seen many selfish-self centered â€œme-me-meâ€ acquaintances skate through life while loving, caring, nurturing friends suffer from tragedy or illnesses. I just donâ€™t understand it.

Comment by bilbobaggins â€” January 7, 2008 @ 4:08 pm&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Sad to say, all true... but there is cause and effect and what goes around does indeed come around, that you can bank on. So, while, like you, I don&#039;t understand it either, I am comforted by the fact that they will get theirs, either now or in the future. One thing for sure, they need to learn the concept of KARMA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>73.  The Republiscums are NOT in the least bit interested in walking in someone elseâ€™s shoes. All they care about is themselves and those who are close to them. The rest of us can just fall off the face of the earth as far as they care. This is one reason why I donâ€™t believe in God. I canâ€™t believe that God would leave people like Frank M, golly and the other Republiscum trolls here on this earth without some kind of retribution for their sins. Unfortunately, I have seen many selfish-self centered â€œme-me-meâ€ acquaintances skate through life while loving, caring, nurturing friends suffer from tragedy or illnesses. I just donâ€™t understand it.</p>
<p>Comment by bilbobaggins â€” January 7, 2008 @ 4:08 pm</p></blockquote>
<p>Sad to say, all true&#8230; but there is cause and effect and what goes around does indeed come around, that you can bank on. So, while, like you, I don&#8217;t understand it either, I am comforted by the fact that they will get theirs, either now or in the future. One thing for sure, they need to learn the concept of KARMA.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4219748', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: shoeless</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/07/cheney-care-for-all/comment-page-2/#comment-4219255</link>
		<dc:creator>shoeless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;People who believe they will always be self sufficient are either young or arrogant. 

Comment by texaslady&lt;/em&gt;

You forgot stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>People who believe they will always be self sufficient are either young or arrogant. </p>
<p>Comment by texaslady</em></p>
<p>You forgot stupid.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4219255', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: texaslady</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/07/cheney-care-for-all/comment-page-2/#comment-4219240</link>
		<dc:creator>texaslady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People who believe they will always be self sufficient are either young or arrogant.  And those are the ones that cry for help the loudest when they are in need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who believe they will always be self sufficient are either young or arrogant.  And those are the ones that cry for help the loudest when they are in need.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4219240', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: texaslady</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/07/cheney-care-for-all/comment-page-2/#comment-4219232</link>
		<dc:creator>texaslady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A California business owner paid into same  insurance co for themselves and employees for 30 years.   He had a malignant spot removed and the insurance company dropped them.  They now are in a high risk pool, where CA pays 1/3 and they pay 2/3rds.   So, defend that decision those of you who think beggers are asking for health insurance. 
Medicare is not a free ride, min $93 a month from your SS check plus 150 + for supplemental to pay what Medicare doesn&#039;t pay. $2916 annually for healthcare and you may still owe on top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A California business owner paid into same  insurance co for themselves and employees for 30 years.   He had a malignant spot removed and the insurance company dropped them.  They now are in a high risk pool, where CA pays 1/3 and they pay 2/3rds.   So, defend that decision those of you who think beggers are asking for health insurance.<br />
Medicare is not a free ride, min $93 a month from your SS check plus 150 + for supplemental to pay what Medicare doesn&#8217;t pay. $2916 annually for healthcare and you may still owe on top.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4219232', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: bilbobaggins</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/07/cheney-care-for-all/comment-page-2/#comment-4219146</link>
		<dc:creator>bilbobaggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Therefore, you may wish to walk a mile in another persons shoe before you make such a callous statement, alternately you should pray daily that you will not be struck down by some genetic disease you have not been previously aware of.
That said, I donâ€™t feel sorry for myself, I still feel sorry for you, you are setting yourself up for a major awakening some day, did you ever hear of the law of cause and effect? Just remember, the law of cause and effect, like the law of gravity, cannot be ignored, nor will it go away. You will reap what you sow.
Comment by Citizen_of_Earth &lt;/em&gt;

The Republiscums are NOT in the least bit interested in walking in someone else&#039;s shoes.  All they care about is themselves and those who are close to them.  The rest of us can just fall off the face of the earth as far as they care.  This is one reason why I don&#039;t believe in God.  I can&#039;t believe that God would leave people like Frank M, golly and the other Republiscum trolls here on this earth without some kind of retribution for their sins.  Unfortunately, I have seen many selfish-self centered &quot;me-me-me&quot; acquaintances skate through life while loving, caring, nurturing friends suffer from tragedy or illnesses.  I just don&#039;t understand it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Therefore, you may wish to walk a mile in another persons shoe before you make such a callous statement, alternately you should pray daily that you will not be struck down by some genetic disease you have not been previously aware of.<br />
That said, I donâ€™t feel sorry for myself, I still feel sorry for you, you are setting yourself up for a major awakening some day, did you ever hear of the law of cause and effect? Just remember, the law of cause and effect, like the law of gravity, cannot be ignored, nor will it go away. You will reap what you sow.<br />
Comment by Citizen_of_Earth </em></p>
<p>The Republiscums are NOT in the least bit interested in walking in someone else&#8217;s shoes.  All they care about is themselves and those who are close to them.  The rest of us can just fall off the face of the earth as far as they care.  This is one reason why I don&#8217;t believe in God.  I can&#8217;t believe that God would leave people like Frank M, golly and the other Republiscum trolls here on this earth without some kind of retribution for their sins.  Unfortunately, I have seen many selfish-self centered &#8220;me-me-me&#8221; acquaintances skate through life while loving, caring, nurturing friends suffer from tragedy or illnesses.  I just don&#8217;t understand it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4219146', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Doc Rock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Rock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Health care in this country is almost as great a shame as the current Cheney-Bush administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Health care in this country is almost as great a shame as the current Cheney-Bush administration.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4219126', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Zooey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zooey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Citizen of Earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Citizen of Earth.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4219116', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Citizen_of_Earth</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/07/cheney-care-for-all/comment-page-2/#comment-4219015</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen_of_Earth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;#34: Oh, the sickening smell of class envy and the â€œoh, why isnâ€™t someone else paying for my care?â€ lament. How about you climb the corporate ladder and concentrate on making some money instead of whining and feeling sorry for yourself.
Comment by Frank M â€” January 7, 2008 @ 1:13 pm&lt;/em&gt;

I worked all my adult life and was stricken with ACHD seven years ago, which rendered me unable to work, needing life saving medical procedures and expensive medicine. I paid for my disability coverage and I am taking NOTHING from the taxpayers. The cost of my medicine just doubled and Rx coverage premiums increased as a result of this administration and the pharmaceutical companies. My recent open heart surgery cost taxpayers at least ten times what taxpayers in other industrialized nations would have paid.

I would love to climb the corporate ladder once again, that may be impossible in the short term since I cannot climb a flight of stairs. However I am hopeful, I attempt to improve myself everyday, physically, financially and spiritually, even though physical and financial improvement is a little limiting when you are facing Sudden Cardiac Death. Therefore, you may wish to walk a mile in another persons shoe before you make such a callous statement, alternately you should pray daily that you will not be struck down by some genetic disease you have not been previously aware of.

That said, I don&#039;t feel sorry for myself, I still feel sorry for you, you are setting yourself up for a major awakening some day, did you ever hear of the law of cause and effect? Just remember, the law of cause and effect, like the law of gravity, cannot be ignored, nor will it go away. &lt;strong&gt;You will reap what you sow.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>#34: Oh, the sickening smell of class envy and the â€œoh, why isnâ€™t someone else paying for my care?â€ lament. How about you climb the corporate ladder and concentrate on making some money instead of whining and feeling sorry for yourself.<br />
Comment by Frank M â€” January 7, 2008 @ 1:13 pm</em></p>
<p>I worked all my adult life and was stricken with ACHD seven years ago, which rendered me unable to work, needing life saving medical procedures and expensive medicine. I paid for my disability coverage and I am taking NOTHING from the taxpayers. The cost of my medicine just doubled and Rx coverage premiums increased as a result of this administration and the pharmaceutical companies. My recent open heart surgery cost taxpayers at least ten times what taxpayers in other industrialized nations would have paid.</p>
<p>I would love to climb the corporate ladder once again, that may be impossible in the short term since I cannot climb a flight of stairs. However I am hopeful, I attempt to improve myself everyday, physically, financially and spiritually, even though physical and financial improvement is a little limiting when you are facing Sudden Cardiac Death. Therefore, you may wish to walk a mile in another persons shoe before you make such a callous statement, alternately you should pray daily that you will not be struck down by some genetic disease you have not been previously aware of.</p>
<p>That said, I don&#8217;t feel sorry for myself, I still feel sorry for you, you are setting yourself up for a major awakening some day, did you ever hear of the law of cause and effect? Just remember, the law of cause and effect, like the law of gravity, cannot be ignored, nor will it go away. <strong>You will reap what you sow.</strong><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4219015', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: shoeless</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/07/cheney-care-for-all/comment-page-2/#comment-4219011</link>
		<dc:creator>shoeless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I find it interesting and disturbing that this thread is receiving about half the attention as the Limbaugh threadâ€¦.from the trolls or the â€œnormals.â€

Comment by Zooey&lt;/em&gt;

Well, very few right-wingers will ever discuss our health care crisis in any case (watch a GOP debate and see if it comes up).  And we normal people are having lots of fun at Rush&#039;s (and his sychophant&#039;s) expense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I find it interesting and disturbing that this thread is receiving about half the attention as the Limbaugh threadâ€¦.from the trolls or the â€œnormals.â€</p>
<p>Comment by Zooey</em></p>
<p>Well, very few right-wingers will ever discuss our health care crisis in any case (watch a GOP debate and see if it comes up).  And we normal people are having lots of fun at Rush&#8217;s (and his sychophant&#8217;s) expense.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4219011', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: dogjudge</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogjudge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#40 - Frank M.

Hmm.  Let&#039;s see.  I have my own company as a corporate recruiter.

A few comments to address your shortsighted biased views.

1 - I have a friend who&#039;s wife was diagnosed with breast cancer about 10 years ago.  The company that he worked for changed insurance carriers maybe four months after she was diagnosed.  At that point, neither the old nor the new carriers would touch her for any amount of money.  They had to go to the state of Illinois and go into a special pool.  So you go along thinking that you have health insurance through your employer and all of a sudden find out that you are high and dry.
2 - I don&#039;t know what rock you&#039;ve been living under for the last 10 or 20 years, but health insurance is becoming more and more of an issue for just about all companies out there these days.  20 years ago your employer paid 100 percent of the costs, and your individual costs were minimal.  Copays, employee contributions, selected plans are all making health costs jump for all employees.  Some companies are simply dropping any health care coverage at all.  Want health care coverage, get it yourself.
3 - Many people CANNOT change jobs because they can&#039;t afford the change in health care, or the loss of health care.  I see that more and more.
4 - Paraphrasing, there used to be a saying along the lines of, &quot;What&#039;s good for GM is good for the USA.&quot;  Try looking at GM and the problems that they are having trying to absorb, pass on, health care costs.

If you don&#039;t see a problem with health care in the US, it&#039;s simply because you&#039;ve got your eyes closed.  It CERTAINLY isn&#039;t because people are working enough, or at a high enough paying job, to afford it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#40 &#8211; Frank M.</p>
<p>Hmm.  Let&#8217;s see.  I have my own company as a corporate recruiter.</p>
<p>A few comments to address your shortsighted biased views.</p>
<p>1 &#8211; I have a friend who&#8217;s wife was diagnosed with breast cancer about 10 years ago.  The company that he worked for changed insurance carriers maybe four months after she was diagnosed.  At that point, neither the old nor the new carriers would touch her for any amount of money.  They had to go to the state of Illinois and go into a special pool.  So you go along thinking that you have health insurance through your employer and all of a sudden find out that you are high and dry.<br />
2 &#8211; I don&#8217;t know what rock you&#8217;ve been living under for the last 10 or 20 years, but health insurance is becoming more and more of an issue for just about all companies out there these days.  20 years ago your employer paid 100 percent of the costs, and your individual costs were minimal.  Copays, employee contributions, selected plans are all making health costs jump for all employees.  Some companies are simply dropping any health care coverage at all.  Want health care coverage, get it yourself.<br />
3 &#8211; Many people CANNOT change jobs because they can&#8217;t afford the change in health care, or the loss of health care.  I see that more and more.<br />
4 &#8211; Paraphrasing, there used to be a saying along the lines of, &#8220;What&#8217;s good for GM is good for the USA.&#8221;  Try looking at GM and the problems that they are having trying to absorb, pass on, health care costs.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t see a problem with health care in the US, it&#8217;s simply because you&#8217;ve got your eyes closed.  It CERTAINLY isn&#8217;t because people are working enough, or at a high enough paying job, to afford it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4218913', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Zooey</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/07/cheney-care-for-all/comment-page-2/#comment-4218887</link>
		<dc:creator>Zooey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting and disturbing that this thread is receiving about half the attention as the Limbaugh thread....from the trolls or the &quot;normals.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting and disturbing that this thread is receiving about half the attention as the Limbaugh thread&#8230;.from the trolls or the &#8220;normals.&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4218887', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: bilbobaggins</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/07/cheney-care-for-all/comment-page-2/#comment-4218838</link>
		<dc:creator>bilbobaggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Thatâ€™s the beauty of America. Anybody can get the highest of health care if you work hard enough.
Comment by Frank M &lt;/em&gt;

Francine thinks there is beauty in people not being able to afford to pay for their own health insurance.  Typical soulless Republiscum attitude.

Health care should be a right for all Americans, not a privilege.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Thatâ€™s the beauty of America. Anybody can get the highest of health care if you work hard enough.<br />
Comment by Frank M </em></p>
<p>Francine thinks there is beauty in people not being able to afford to pay for their own health insurance.  Typical soulless Republiscum attitude.</p>
<p>Health care should be a right for all Americans, not a privilege.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4218838', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: dogjudge</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogjudge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the wonderful politicians on both sides of the aisle.  The Republicans, who want smaller government especially.

We&#039;ve got a group of people who are arguably in the top echelon of income in the United States.  Nothing wrong with that.

So what do you suppose it would cost these folks to buy their own health insurance?  Even Robert Byrd who could do it with Medicaid/Medicare supplemental insurance.  $10,000.00 per year max.  Of course it&#039;s also tax deductible.

So instead of volunteering to pay for it themselves, and make an example of the system, they simply take their health care and have people who are making slightly over the minimum wage contribute to the cost.  Of course the person making minimum wage doesn&#039;t have enough money to pay for their own health coverage.

Fascinating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the wonderful politicians on both sides of the aisle.  The Republicans, who want smaller government especially.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve got a group of people who are arguably in the top echelon of income in the United States.  Nothing wrong with that.</p>
<p>So what do you suppose it would cost these folks to buy their own health insurance?  Even Robert Byrd who could do it with Medicaid/Medicare supplemental insurance.  $10,000.00 per year max.  Of course it&#8217;s also tax deductible.</p>
<p>So instead of volunteering to pay for it themselves, and make an example of the system, they simply take their health care and have people who are making slightly over the minimum wage contribute to the cost.  Of course the person making minimum wage doesn&#8217;t have enough money to pay for their own health coverage.</p>
<p>Fascinating.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4218830', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Leftside Annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leftside Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh. According to the Frank M.&#039;s of the world, all those lazy, shiftless uninsured poor people ought to just go ahead and die - and decrease the surplus population. 

Who needs &#039;em stinkin&#039; up the place anyway, right, Frank?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh. According to the Frank M.&#8217;s of the world, all those lazy, shiftless uninsured poor people ought to just go ahead and die &#8211; and decrease the surplus population. </p>
<p>Who needs &#8216;em stinkin&#8217; up the place anyway, right, Frank?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4218800', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Zooey</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/07/cheney-care-for-all/comment-page-2/#comment-4218759</link>
		<dc:creator>Zooey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;And itâ€™s up to us dern libruls to help them. Itâ€™s not easy to help people who hate you for your efforts, and are so stupid they join with their oppressors to fight you every step of the way. But, we keep trying for the good of us all.

Comment by shoeless â€” January 7, 2008 @ 1:36 pm&lt;/em&gt;

You&#039;re right, Shoeless.  We help them anyway, that&#039;s what makes us human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>And itâ€™s up to us dern libruls to help them. Itâ€™s not easy to help people who hate you for your efforts, and are so stupid they join with their oppressors to fight you every step of the way. But, we keep trying for the good of us all.</p>
<p>Comment by shoeless â€” January 7, 2008 @ 1:36 pm</em></p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, Shoeless.  We help them anyway, that&#8217;s what makes us human.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4218759', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/07/cheney-care-for-all/comment-page-2/#comment-4218743</link>
		<dc:creator>2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Kucinich.  Kucinich.  Kucinich.  How can there be 58+ posts on single-payer not-for-profit healthcare and no one says Kucinich?&lt;/strong&gt;

AARP refused to allow Kucinich to participate in their Democrat sponsored debate because they take tens of billions of $$$ from health insurance companies.

Same with the Iowa and New Hampshire debates.

Most Americans DON&#039;T KNOW about single payer.  They&#039;ve NEVER heard of it.  They&#039;re being denied their right to hear from all the candidates.  It&#039;s beyond OUTRAGEOUS.

Lastly, helping insurance companies sell policies is NOT a health insurance plan.  It&#039;s Corporate Crony Capitalism.  You know who you are Hillary, Barack and John.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Kucinich.  Kucinich.  Kucinich.  How can there be 58+ posts on single-payer not-for-profit healthcare and no one says Kucinich?</strong></p>
<p>AARP refused to allow Kucinich to participate in their Democrat sponsored debate because they take tens of billions of $$$ from health insurance companies.</p>
<p>Same with the Iowa and New Hampshire debates.</p>
<p>Most Americans DON&#8217;T KNOW about single payer.  They&#8217;ve NEVER heard of it.  They&#8217;re being denied their right to hear from all the candidates.  It&#8217;s beyond OUTRAGEOUS.</p>
<p>Lastly, helping insurance companies sell policies is NOT a health insurance plan.  It&#8217;s Corporate Crony Capitalism.  You know who you are Hillary, Barack and John.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4218743', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: sacopenapa</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/07/cheney-care-for-all/comment-page-2/#comment-4218736</link>
		<dc:creator>sacopenapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;â€œIf he were anyone else, heâ€™d probably be dead by nowâ€&lt;/em&gt;

PITTY IT DIN&#039;T HAPPEN!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>â€œIf he were anyone else, heâ€™d probably be dead by nowâ€</em></p>
<p>PITTY IT DIN&#8217;T HAPPEN!!!!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4218736', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: NoOneYouKnow</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoOneYouKnow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Frank M., all you need to do to get limitless health care is to &quot;climb the corporate ladder.&quot; 
Really, Frank? Is there room for everyone on the corporate ladder? Who holds the ladder if everyone is on it? If someone has to steady or even, god forbid, build a ladder, why don&#039;t they get health care?
And why is it class envy when the poor want what the rich have taken, but not when the rich steal from the poor in the first place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Frank M., all you need to do to get limitless health care is to &#8220;climb the corporate ladder.&#8221;<br />
Really, Frank? Is there room for everyone on the corporate ladder? Who holds the ladder if everyone is on it? If someone has to steady or even, god forbid, build a ladder, why don&#8217;t they get health care?<br />
And why is it class envy when the poor want what the rich have taken, but not when the rich steal from the poor in the first place?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4218726', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: missmolly</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/07/cheney-care-for-all/comment-page-2/#comment-4218721</link>
		<dc:creator>missmolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, the sickening smell of class envy and the â€œoh, why isnâ€™t someone else paying for my care?â€ lament. How about you climb the corporate ladder and concentrate on making some money instead of whining and feeling sorry for yourselves?

Comment by Frank M â€” January 7, 2008 @ 1:13 pm

I don&#039;t believe you have answered the question regarding people who are unable to &quot;climb the corporate ladder&quot; for one reason or another.

For that matter, there aren&#039;t enough corporate ladders for everyone to climb.

A few years ago, someone wrote a letter to the editor in my local paper claiming that there really is no health care crisis -- that all people had to do to get good health insurance was to get a job with an employer who offered it.  This is logic that I&#039;m sure you can identify with, since your posts kind of fall along the same line.

Let&#039;s look at some problems associated with that logic:

1)  There aren&#039;t enough jobs with employer-paid health insurance to go around (this is why McDonald&#039;s is able to hire people, you know).  Furthermore, employers are having to cut back their health insurance benefits to their employees or eliminate it altogether because of skyrocketing costs.

2)  Even if you are lucky enough to work for an employer who offers health insurance, your out of pocket costs for premiums can still be well out of your affordability range.  Employers often pay a part of insurance costs, with the employee picking up the rest.  Many employers don&#039;t pay ANYTHING toward premiums -- they &quot;offer&quot; the insurance to the employee at the employee&#039;s cost so the employee can benefit from lower group rates.

3)  If you are dependent upon your employer for your health insurance, you&#039;re screwed if you lose your job.  Oh yes -- you can continue your health insurance through COBRA at your expense, but when you have to pay it all yourself, how can you afford it if you don&#039;t have a paycheck?

4)  If you have any kind of pre-existing condition when you get your job, often your employer-provided insurance will specifically not cover it.  Which means that if you are diabetic, have a heart murmur, or high blood pressure, you won&#039;t get any financial help for the type of health care you are likely to need the most.

5)  And let&#039;s not forget the people who are too disabled to work.  Or are homemakers dependent upon a working spouse whose spouse has died or split.  And countless other legitimate scenarios where people don&#039;t have a paying job with insurance.

There are a whole lot of people out there who aren&#039;t able to &quot;work hard&quot; or &quot;climb the corporate ladder&quot; as you feel everyone should do.  What do you propose to do about them?  Just let them get sick and die?  Or get sick enough to go to an emergency room and then file bankruptcy when the bill comes?  Taxpayers WILL pay for the uninsured eventually.  It&#039;s cheaper in the long run to pay to keep people healthy than it is to pay when they get sick through neglect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, the sickening smell of class envy and the â€œoh, why isnâ€™t someone else paying for my care?â€ lament. How about you climb the corporate ladder and concentrate on making some money instead of whining and feeling sorry for yourselves?</p>
<p>Comment by Frank M â€” January 7, 2008 @ 1:13 pm</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe you have answered the question regarding people who are unable to &#8220;climb the corporate ladder&#8221; for one reason or another.</p>
<p>For that matter, there aren&#8217;t enough corporate ladders for everyone to climb.</p>
<p>A few years ago, someone wrote a letter to the editor in my local paper claiming that there really is no health care crisis &#8212; that all people had to do to get good health insurance was to get a job with an employer who offered it.  This is logic that I&#8217;m sure you can identify with, since your posts kind of fall along the same line.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at some problems associated with that logic:</p>
<p>1)  There aren&#8217;t enough jobs with employer-paid health insurance to go around (this is why McDonald&#8217;s is able to hire people, you know).  Furthermore, employers are having to cut back their health insurance benefits to their employees or eliminate it altogether because of skyrocketing costs.</p>
<p>2)  Even if you are lucky enough to work for an employer who offers health insurance, your out of pocket costs for premiums can still be well out of your affordability range.  Employers often pay a part of insurance costs, with the employee picking up the rest.  Many employers don&#8217;t pay ANYTHING toward premiums &#8212; they &#8220;offer&#8221; the insurance to the employee at the employee&#8217;s cost so the employee can benefit from lower group rates.</p>
<p>3)  If you are dependent upon your employer for your health insurance, you&#8217;re screwed if you lose your job.  Oh yes &#8212; you can continue your health insurance through COBRA at your expense, but when you have to pay it all yourself, how can you afford it if you don&#8217;t have a paycheck?</p>
<p>4)  If you have any kind of pre-existing condition when you get your job, often your employer-provided insurance will specifically not cover it.  Which means that if you are diabetic, have a heart murmur, or high blood pressure, you won&#8217;t get any financial help for the type of health care you are likely to need the most.</p>
<p>5)  And let&#8217;s not forget the people who are too disabled to work.  Or are homemakers dependent upon a working spouse whose spouse has died or split.  And countless other legitimate scenarios where people don&#8217;t have a paying job with insurance.</p>
<p>There are a whole lot of people out there who aren&#8217;t able to &#8220;work hard&#8221; or &#8220;climb the corporate ladder&#8221; as you feel everyone should do.  What do you propose to do about them?  Just let them get sick and die?  Or get sick enough to go to an emergency room and then file bankruptcy when the bill comes?  Taxpayers WILL pay for the uninsured eventually.  It&#8217;s cheaper in the long run to pay to keep people healthy than it is to pay when they get sick through neglect.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4218721', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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