FLASHBACK: In 2004, McCain Said ‘We’re Going To Be In Iraq For Five Or Six Years’
FLASHBACK: In 2004, McCain Said ‘We’re Going To Be In Iraq For Five Or Six Years’
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) has spent the last few weeks saying that in order to ensure the stability of Iraq, the U.S. should be prepared to stay in the country for one hundred to a million years. Yesterday, he said he may support permanent bases in Iraq.
But in the early stages of the war, he repeatedly told the American public that the U.S. military presence in Iraq would be short. In fact, on December 14, 2003, he excitedly declared, “This is a mission accomplished.”
Highlights of McCain’s false assurances:
– I think the victory will be rapid, within about three weeks because I think Saddam Hussein is very weak. [MSNBC, 1/28/03]
– I believe that this conflict is still going to be relatively short. [NBC, 3/30/03]
– It’s clear that the end is very much in sight. … It won’t be long. It, it’ll be a fairly short period of time. [ABC, 4/9/03]
– Listen, my friend, we’re going to be there for five or six years. A little straight talk. [Hardball, 2/25/04]
Reporters questioned McCain on his “hundred year” analogy this weekend, but McCain became defiant, ignorantly equating the culture of Iraqis to those of the Japanese and Kuwaitis. He testily retorted, “Give me a break.” Time’s Ana Marie Cox adds:
His campaign insists that the reason he becomes so hyperbolic is to hammer home the point that our time in Iraq will stop being a controversy once the killing stops. Sure, he’s right about that — and that’s why he mentions Japan, Germany and Kuwait when rebuffing criticism. … What frustrated me yesterday was his refusal to engage on what it would take to make the transition from an occupying force in a country torn by civil war to something less intrusive… and also to address the mixed feelings that Iraqis greet the prospect of perpetual American presence.
Despite his abysmal predictions on the length of the war, the media continues to obsess over McCain, with a penchant for adoring his “principled” stance on the Iraq war.
The Progress Report, Glenn Greenwald, and Jason Zengerle have more on McCain.
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Maw Cain – waffler extraordinaire.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:29 pmAnd suck up, too! A tragic figure.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:32 pmTell ya what, CC – why don’t you hold your breath while you’re waiting…?
January 7th, 2008 at 6:33 pmAs for McCain, if he spun any faster we could use him for a turbine to power Los Angeles.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:34 pmWhile I admire John McCain for his service to this country, he is obviously not up to the job of president. You would need a road map to account for all of the U-turns he has made concerning Bush and his vanity war.
It is a shame to see a proud American lose his mind.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:34 pmVote McCain—-for one million years of deployment to Iraq!
-GSD
January 7th, 2008 at 6:35 pmWhy does the Cloudy One seek to play the victim before the thread has even begun?
January 7th, 2008 at 6:35 pmBefore all of you comment on the topic, you need to take the time and apologize to me for the fight picking and harrassment.
Comment by Clear Conservative — January 7, 2008 @ 6:31 pm
Your Sorry.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:36 pmCC, I thought the lefty, liberal, moonbat, loony tunes were the ones who played ‘the victim card’.
Did you lift a card from ‘our’ deck?
-GSD
January 7th, 2008 at 6:37 pmBooHoo Conservatives always pretend to be under attack. Hey it’s worked to make Wayne LaPierre at the NRA a rich man.
-GSD
January 7th, 2008 at 6:38 pmComment by Clear Conservative
No, I meant you are sorry You came in here attacking others and expect an apology for your behavior?
fogeddaboutit.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:40 pmNew Hampshire polls show McCain leading? Unbelievable!
January 7th, 2008 at 6:40 pmThe linked Glenn Greenwald piece is predictably excellent in his comments on “political reporters” and how they intrude on the story. I think he badly misses the opportunity to place the blame squarely on poor Timothy Crouse, whose book “The Boys on the Bus” (1973) focused attention on the reporters traveling with the presidential campaigns and turned them into celebrities. I bet every one of the current “reporters” has a copy of that book squirreled under the bed and has dreamed of his moments of fame for producing brilliant political analysis.
A damn shame, because it’s a terrific book and Crouse is a natural writer.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:40 pmSort of off topic:
I have flagged a certain vandal more than 50 times in the last two days with this comment: “Nothing but spam. Please ban this vandal.”
Feel free to join the party.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:41 pmMcCain should just say that he intends to stay in Iraq as long as it has oil.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:41 pmGoodbye, and I love all of you.
Comment by Clear Conservative
Don’t go away mad, just go away. Please.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:42 pmEither someone namejacked the troll or he forgot his lithium.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:42 pmWhy no thread on Hill’reh playing the feminine card by crying?
January 7th, 2008 at 6:42 pmMcCain was also asked about how the people would mind having our troops tied down in Iraq for 100 years. He said that they would not mind so long as our military personnel were not being wounded or killed. His comparison to Japan or Korea also comes off as just odd-ball. There never was an insurrection against the US once Japan surrendered. The South Koreans also wanted the US presence. How McCain can come up with this drivel makes me wonder whether we are not seeing the early signs of Alzheimers.
I still am trying to figure out how the Republican party became the home of such panty waisted cowards.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:43 pmMcCaint will win NH and will mortally wound Romney. Then on to South Carolina where Huckabee wins big.
The GOP is in disarray.
-GSD
January 7th, 2008 at 6:43 pmAs for McCain, if he spun any faster we could use him for a turbine to power Los Angeles.
Comment by Leftside Annie — January 7, 2008 @ 6:34 pm
Was that not Hilary pointing out how Obama has changed positions on several issues since his arriving in Congress? Looks like he and McCain together could power California.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:43 pmIt is rather odd that the ‘liberal media’ has suddenly started swooning over MawCain when it became apparent that Rudy didn’t stand a chance.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:45 pmI still am trying to figure out how the Republican party became the home of such panty waisted cowards.
Comment by JMOHR
So am I, man. So am I. I grew up in a GOP household and knew them as big, strong John Wayne types, you know? Now they are all scared of their shaddows – and they are destroying our beloved country as well.
I wonder why the change.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:45 pmNah. Romney’s powering the other turbine.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:46 pmOh yeah – and Rudy too. He’s powering the 9/11 turbine.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:47 pmNah. Romney’s powering the other turbine.
Comment by Leftside Annie — January 7, 2008 @ 6:46 pm
Can’t disagree… but to think that one party has the copyright for flip-flopping is riduculous. You’d be hard pressed to find a candidate running for any office that hasn’t flipped or flopped.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:48 pmI wonder why the change.
Comment by StratRat — January 7, 2008 @ 6:45 pm
Follow the money.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:49 pmMcCain said he’d travel to the gates of hell to get Bin Laden. I’m not sure if the Straight Talk Express is up for the trip though.
-GSD
January 7th, 2008 at 6:50 pmOld crusty Mc “flip-flop”.
Take yer Geritol and try NOT to crap yer pants stupid old, half-dead-guy.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:50 pmI wonder why the change.
Comment by StratRat — January 7, 2008 @ 6:45 pm
Follow the money.
Comment by Impolitics — January 7, 2008 @ 6:49 pm
Gentlemen (presumably)… that has to be the most simple, straight forward, and TRUE response I’ve seen on this site. when in doubt… Follow the money.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:51 pmFollow the money.
Comment by Impolitics
I’m sure that is part of it, but what happened to the tall standing, proud, unwavering image of patriotism we saw in the past? Are there any brave republicans anymore?
January 7th, 2008 at 6:52 pmYou’d be hard pressed to find a candidate running for any office that hasn’t flipped or flopped. -PM
You think they would learn, by now, that this is the information age and people dont misremember as much as they do.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:52 pmMaybe Goldwater, Strat.
But he’s dead.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:53 pmIt is rather odd that the ‘liberal media’ has suddenly started swooning over MawCain when it became apparent that Rudy didn’t stand a chance.
Comment by Xisithrus — January 7, 2008 @ 6:45 pm
Good point. They’d largely written McCrazy off as his numbers dropped and had pretty much crowned Rudy as the nominee. I think the truth is that they’re clueless and are following the poll numbers like a kitten with a flashlight beam.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:53 pmAre there any brave republicans anymore?
Comment by StratRat — January 7, 2008 @ 6:52 pm
You’d be suprised how many there are, we just aren’t allowed to run for office. We don’t have enough money.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:53 pmYou think they would learn, by now, that this is the information age and people dont misremember as much as they do.
Comment by Xisithrus
The internets are scaring the right side to death. I think it amazes them that there are some of us who truly remember what a particular candidate said – as opposed to what they are saying now, and then call them on it.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:55 pmand also to address the mixed feelings that Iraqis greet the prospect of perpetual American presence.
Mixed feelings? Nearly every Iraqi that will have to live in proximity to the presence hates the idea.
The only Iraqis that are for it are the only Iraqis that don’t have American boots on their streets: Kurdistan, where the occupation has a tiny footprint.
I’m tired of all this “We want an Iraqi democracy that will do X, oppose Y, and be our ally against Z”. Hey, did you ever ask them? If you’re dictating to them what their policies to them are, maybe you’re not setting them up to be a freakin’ democracy!
January 7th, 2008 at 6:56 pm….they’d largely written McCrazy off… Gummitch
Yeh, remember when the very same people swooning for MawCain today said he was unstable due to his time in a POW camp? Next thing ya know they’ll be saying thats a positive quality.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:56 pmPersonally, I’m tired of all the attacks on everybody’s “flip-flopping”.
Our elected officials are supposed to represent US and, hopefully, respond to changing conditions with timely solutions. If you show me someone who doesn’t, appropriately, change their position based on new developments? I’ll show you someone who won’t get my vote.
On the other hand, there’s no longer any room in this country for those who staunchly stick to failed policy, or, abandon their ideals, and pander to philosophical opponents, in the quest for votes.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:57 pmComment by StratRat — January 7, 2008 @ 6:55 pm
That and all the people they threw under the bus are starting to talk, such as the phone jammer guy.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:58 pmMcCain loves this war. He wanted it. He didn’t about WMD. He didn’t care aobut the loss. He want to stay forever. And he wants to go “Bomb-Bomb-Blomb, Bomb Iran….”
I want to send McCain back (where did he come form?)
January 7th, 2008 at 6:59 pmThat’s the McPain logic…”war ends by starting short and get longer, my friend, It can reach a century…my friend”.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:59 pmPersonally, I’m tired of all the attacks on everybody’s “flip-floppingâ€.
Too bad. There’s a distinct difference between altering one’s opinion and “flip-flopping” for politic’s sake.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:59 pmOn the other hand, there’s no longer any room in this country for those who staunchly stick to failed policy, or, abandon their ideals, and pander to philosophical opponents, in the quest for votes.
Comment by Impolitics — January 7, 2008 @ 6:57 pm
Agreed, but what is sometimes hard for Americans to understand is that when a politician abandons bad policy in favor of his/her ideals that IS a good thing. When they abandon their ideals for bad policy then that is a BAD thing. Distinguishing between the two can be difficult if one isn’t willing to listen to the reasoning.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:00 pmDistinguishing between the two can be difficult if one isn’t willing to listen to the reasoning.
Comment by phantasyman
And giving the common “man” the benefit of the doubt main problem with society:
THEY’RE ALL A BUNCH OF SPOON-FED, TV-HOLIC IDIOTS.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:02 pmPersonally, I’m tired of all the attacks on everybody’s “flip-floppingâ€.
Too bad. There’s a distinct difference between altering one’s opinion and “flip-flopping†for politic’s sake.
Comment by DieNowForPeace — January 7, 2008 @ 6:59 pm
Um, did you read the whole post?
January 7th, 2008 at 7:02 pmComment by Impolitics
Yup, and you sounded confused, so I fine-tuned your focus.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:04 pmYou’d be suprised how many there are, we just aren’t allowed to run for office. We don’t have enough money.
Comment by phantasyman
Agreed…When it costs 100 million dollars to ‘win’ an election, we have surely gone off the deep end. The candidate has to pay back his benefactors, usually at the expense of regular Americans. It seems corporate America is voting in the candidate, not the electorate. This has to change to even out the playing field.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:04 pmCC has nothing of substance to add to this thread and has managed to direct the comments away from the topic, loser Senator John McCain.
John McCain lost the respect of the Independents when he allowed traitor Rove to trash his family during the 2000 election and then McCain allowed Bush to kiss him.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:05 pmAnd giving the common “man†the benefit of the doubt main problem with society:
THEY’RE ALL A BUNCH OF SPOON-FED, TV-HOLIC IDIOTS.
Comment by DieNowForPeace — January 7, 2008 @ 7:02 pm
Assuming that Americans can’t make good decisions based on their intake of television is assinine at best. You must be one who reads a lot. If that’s the case there’s an old saying about believing 1/2 of what you see and none of what you read. Point being, lies are easier to perpetrate if all you have to do is look at some words.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:05 pmWhen they abandon their ideals for bad policy then that is a BAD thing.
Comment by phantasyman — January 7, 2008 @ 7:00 pm
True. Case in point:
McCain abandoned his ideal, of separation of church and state, to get votes from the theocratic “religious right”. He lost me forever on that one point, though, he’s added several more for good (bad?) measure.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:07 pmPoint being, lies are easier to perpetrate if all you have to do is look at some words.
Comment by phantasyman
And the sh*t that passes for “news” on TV is hardly that.
Let the info age and allow some light to be shed on a subject (i.e. THE WRITTEN WORD) before you swallow, hook, line and sinker.
Those constituent’s are known as “easy pickens”.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:08 pmMcCain abandoned his ideal, of separation of church and state, to get votes from the theocratic “religious rightâ€. He lost me forever on that one point, though, he’s added several more for good (bad?) measure.
Comment by Impolitics
You’re a damn fool to have EVER supported this intellectually and morally flawed human.
Case dismissed…
January 7th, 2008 at 7:09 pmYou must be one who reads a lot. If that’s the case there’s an old saying about believing 1/2 of what you see and none of what you read. Point being, lies are easier to perpetrate if all you have to do is look at some words.
Comment by phantasyman
Which is why the corporate media has failed us so badly. The cynic in all of us must be alive and well. Why do you think Fox News viewers are the worst Americans there are? They look nowhere else for their information and they don’t challenge the information they are fed. If they kept a cynical eye out, then maybe they would begin to ask questions – and demand answers. America needs an informed electorate – now more than ever.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:10 pmMcCain abandoned his ideal, of separation of church and state, to get votes from the theocratic “religious rightâ€. He lost me forever on that one point, though, he’s added several more for good (bad?) measure.
Comment by Impolitics
I must watch too much tv to know what McCain’s positions are/were on church v state. I guess I’ll have to read up on it… ;-)
January 7th, 2008 at 7:11 pmComment by DieNowForPeace — January 7, 2008 @ 7:09 pm
I humbly suggest you improve your reading skills and refrain from making unfounded assumptions.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:12 pmDo the right thing — apologize to a member of the conservative majority -CC
You came in here attacking people with pre-conceived notions and actually expect an apology..because your a conservative?
Shirley U. Jest
January 7th, 2008 at 7:12 pmThe quote is: Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.
Comment by justasking
Good God the wingnuts really need no help in pointing out their utter ignorance.
CHEERS IDIOTS!!!
January 7th, 2008 at 7:12 pmI must watch too much tv to know what McCain’s positions are/were on church v state. I guess I’ll have to read up on it… ;-)
Comment by phantasyman
Keeping track of all the various candidates’ position is a lot like herding cats, no?
January 7th, 2008 at 7:12 pmComment by phantasyman — January 7, 2008 @ 7:11 pm
I believe he used to call them “dangerous kooks”.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:13 pmThe quote is: Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.
Comment by justasking — January 7, 2008 @ 7:11 pm
Crap… you mean I’ve been misquoting that all this time? I’ll bet I’ve been saying that since high school and you’re the first to correct me. Shoulda read up on that too! :-)
January 7th, 2008 at 7:13 pmComment by Impolitics
YOU’RE THE FOOL who posted the “EITHER – OR” quote.
So, your a wishy-washy lightweight McCain supporter, we get it!!!
I not-so-humbly suggest you DO NOT address me directly, INFIDEL.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:14 pmComment by Impolitics — January 7, 2008 @ 7:13 pm
That should read, “dangerous kooks with no place in government”.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:15 pmThat should read, “dangerous kooks with no place in governmentâ€.
Comment by Impolitics — January 7, 2008 @ 7:15 pm
Who are they? I thought you HAVE to be some kind of kook to want to be in politics.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:16 pmWhy are you so hysterical?
Comment by justasking
What, if anything, have you done to DIRECTLY SUPPORT the “war” effort?
I bet you don’t even send supplies overseas, you “all talk and no action” web-blog DORKS.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:16 pmComment by Clear Conservative — January 7, 2008 @ 7:15 pm
A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:18 pmBenjamin Disraeli, Speech in the House of Commons, Mar. 3, 1845
British politician (1804 – 1881)
Spoken like a true terrorist.
Comment by Clear Conservative
Yea, and George W. “al Bin” Bush has his hands deeply embedded in the Arabs jocks.
You wingnuts/necons and Bin Laden – a match that met it’s peak on 9/11.
You, as a treasonous b*tch, should be so proud.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:19 pmWho are they? I thought you HAVE to be some kind of kook to want to be in politics.
Comment by phantasyman
Actually, that’s what I thought too.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:20 pm.
Oh come on now,
TP is being tough on McCain. He’s just showing what his version of “CHANGE” means… the ability to change one’s mind and underwear.
.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:21 pmComment by DieNowForPeace — January 7, 2008 @ 7:14 pm
You started, now I’ll say my piece. I never claimed any support for McCain. I used one of his shallow defections to clarify a point which, only, you seemed confused about.
If you are inclined to make disparaging comments, based on your inadequate understanding, please never vote. IDIOT!
January 7th, 2008 at 7:21 pm“CHANGE†means… the ability to change one’s mind and underwear.
.
Comment by Max-1
And hopefully not confusing one with the other.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:22 pmComment by justasking
In other words, you DON’T SUPPORT THE TROOPS.
Hell, I’ve NEVER supported the war, but I send sh*t to the men and women who chose to serve.
You’re a fraud.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:22 pmMcCain abandoned his ideal, of separation of church and state, to get votes from the theocratic “religious rightâ€. He lost me forever on that one point, though, he’s added several more for good (bad?) measure.
Comment by Impolitics — January 7, 2008 @ 7:07 pm
January 7th, 2008 at 7:23 pmWho are they?
Comment by phantasyman
The “religious right” as typified by Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:23 pmAssuming that Americans can’t make good decisions based on their intake of television is assinine at best. You must be one who reads a lot. If that’s the case there’s an old saying about believing 1/2 of what you see and none of what you read. Point being, lies are easier to perpetrate if all you have to do is look at some words.
Comment by phantasyman — January 7, 2008 @ 7:05 pm
The general idea is that you don’t just look at the words . . . you actually read them. And think about them. And compare them to other words. Television “news” is inherently shallow except for those rare (NPR) sessions that puts everyone to sleep. “In-depth” coverage on tv means the segment lasts a full two minutes.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:24 pm#85 Those are you’re words.
So he apparently “had you” at one time.
Please try and remember what you’ve typed, MO-RON.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:24 pmApparently not.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:25 pm.
Comment by StratRat — January 7, 2008 @ 7:22 pm
Sometimes I have to wonder.
.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:27 pmComment by justasking
In other words, you DON’T SUPPORT THE TROOPS.
Hell, I’ve NEVER supported the war, but I send sh*t to the men and women who chose to serve.
You’re a fraud.
Comment by DieNowForPeace — January 7, 2008 @ 7:22 pm
Right on. Being a soldier serving in Iraq does not mean that you support the war. Any fool can turn his back on a soldier that’s just doing his/her job. It takes a human being to care for and embrace them no matter what the war is and who it is against.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:27 pmThe general idea is that you don’t just look at the words . . . you actually read them.
Comment by gummitch — January 7, 2008 @ 7:24 pm
Thanks Captain Obvious… I must’ve missed that day in first grade. What would I do without good folks like you who took every joke so seriously. ;-P
January 7th, 2008 at 7:29 pmSo he apparently “had you†at one time.
Please try and remember what you’ve typed, MO-RON.
Comment by DieNowForPeace — January 7, 2008 @ 7:24 pm
He had my attention, like any prominent U.S. lawmaker who hasn’t discredited himself, not support. Now, he’s irrelevant. If I support someone I’ll say so.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:30 pm.
Comment by phantasyman — January 7, 2008 @ 7:27 pm
I support the troops…
… to refuse illegal orders.
WHAT IS LEGAL ABOUT WHAT AMERICA HAS DONE TO IRAQ?
.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:32 pmComment by DieNowForPeace — January 7, 2008 @ 7:24 pm
BTW, you should take the advice offered in your screen name. The neocons have already degraded the gene pool enough without your misbegotten progeny.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:33 pmGee man,…when the troops get your rations it’ll just be cookie dust and exploding soda water.
Comment by justasking — January 7, 2008 @ 7:29 pm
How’s about sending some batteries? Some DVD’s? Baby wipes, lip-balm, shampoo, soap, pringles, gorp, need I go on? You can keep your cookie dust and soda water.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:34 pmI don’t even know why he asked me anything about the war anyway.
Comment by justasking
Right, you’re the one just asking…
January 7th, 2008 at 7:36 pm:)
Support the troops!
January 7th, 2008 at 7:36 pmSend gorp?
I support the troops…
… to refuse illegal orders.
WHAT IS LEGAL ABOUT WHAT AMERICA HAS DONE TO IRAQ?
.
Comment by Max-1 — January 7, 2008 @ 7:32 pm
You’re a real “two-wrongs make a right” kind of person aren’t you?
So because our President has made some decisions you don’t like, the soldiers on the ground should just disobey orders? Are you for real? What branch of the military did you serve in?
January 7th, 2008 at 7:38 pmSupport the troops!
Send gorp?
Comment by Wilco — January 7, 2008 @ 7:36 pm
You’d be suprised how much Good Old Raisins and Peanuts are loved.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:40 pmI’m just asking why people keep just asking me why I ask!
Comment by justasking
Why?
January 7th, 2008 at 7:41 pmSo I had no idea what gorp is.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:43 pmAnd now I will promptly forget.
What branch of the military did you serve in?
Comment by phantasyman
And you should never end a sentence with a preposition! That is something up with which I can not put!
January 7th, 2008 at 7:44 pmComment by phantasyman — January 7, 2008 @ 7:38 pm
Well, a soldier’s duty is to obey lawful orders and disobey those which are unlawful. If more generals were good soldiers, rather than political creatures, we may not be in this mess.
Just to be clear, I am not saying the troops in the field had that option.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:44 pmJust to be clear, I am not saying the troops in the field had that option.
Comment by Impolitics — January 7, 2008 @ 7:44 pm
Correction noted… now will you send them some GORP?
January 7th, 2008 at 7:45 pmAnd you should never end a sentence with a preposition! That is something up with which I can not put!
Comment by Wilco — January 7, 2008 @ 7:44 pm
What grade did you lern that dum rule in?
January 7th, 2008 at 7:47 pmWhat grade did you lern that dum rule in?
Comment by phantasyman — January 7, 2008 @ 7:47 pm
Correction:
In which grade did you learn that dum rule?
January 7th, 2008 at 7:49 pmWhat grade did you lern that dum rule in?
Comment by phantasyman
At least one past your last…
January 7th, 2008 at 7:50 pmyou missed the joke entirely.
Comment by justasking — January 7, 2008 @ 7:49 pm
I’m sorry… I sounded like I was getting grammer advice from Yoda there for a minute.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:52 pmI have flagged a certain vandal more than 50 times in the last two days with this comment: “Nothing but spam. Please ban this vandal.â€
Feel free to join the party.
Comment by Impolitics
I have pretty much given up. I don’t think that TP is paying attention any longer. This place has become a sewer again with trolls stinking up the place and people reacting to them, thereby giving them the attention they are looking for. When will the regular posters here stop doing that. When will they finally realize that all they are doing is encouraging them?
January 7th, 2008 at 7:52 pmRe 120… I meant “IT sounded like…”
January 7th, 2008 at 7:54 pmComment by bilbobaggins — January 7, 2008 @ 7:52 pm
Why are you for this war?
Comment by Clear Conservative
Now THAT’S comedy!
January 7th, 2008 at 7:54 pmbilbo, it’s never going to happen
January 7th, 2008 at 7:56 pmPeople on here are die hard liberals, who then butt heads with die hard conservatives, who get off on butting heads with die hard liberals.
And there are people on here who villify those who suggest they stop engaging the trolls. People truly enjoy it. It’s some sick sport.
Comment by bilbobaggins — January 7, 2008 @ 7:52 pm
To be fair, some days are better than others and it’s fun to engage in an occasional insult. But, it would be nice to see a more “hands-on” approach to moderation. All too many threads are just unreadable.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:57 pmImpolitics, it should be easier for people to moderate themselves. TP staff shouldn’t have to moderate this…. Bilbo is right, it’s happened many times: ignore a troll, the troll goes away.
January 7th, 2008 at 8:02 pmImpolitics, it should be easier for people to moderate themselves. TP staff shouldn’t have to moderate this…. Bilbo is right, it’s happened many times: ignore a troll, the troll goes away.
Comment by Wilco — January 7, 2008 @ 8:02 pm
Very true. But, sometimes it’s HARD not to join in and, on very rare occasions, even trolls can provoke thoughtful discourse.
January 7th, 2008 at 8:10 pmHey TP. How about a thread about this (from Crooks and Liars):
The reports are that during searching the woman’s house the Americans assaulted her and when she was on the ground started to kick. The soldier who is named Caesar Saadi Al-Jibouri asked them to stop beating her and when via interpreter they refused saying that could do as they wished he went to one of the patrol vehicles and opened fire.
January 7th, 2008 at 8:40 pmLie down Gramps…it will all be over soon.
January 7th, 2008 at 9:04 pmJust to be clear, I am not saying the troops in the field had that option.
Comment by Impolitics — January 7, 2008 @ 7:44 pm
They don’t, unless they can tell if it is an illegal order, they have to follow orders.
And Bushco has been jailing conscientious objectors.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:14 amMake it real tough for the boots on the ground.
60 – Actually, McCain called them (quoting) “agents of intolerance.”
That was until he decided that he very badly wanted to be president. Then he called them “BFF.”
January 8th, 2008 at 3:27 pm