ThinkFast: January 7, 2008
ThinkFast: January 7, 2008
With the push to close the Guantánamo stalled, “a similar effort to scale down a larger and more secretive American detention center in Afghanistan has been troubled by political, legal and security problems.” The Red Cross warned that some prisoners at the site “were kept from its inspectors and sometimes subjected to cruel treatment in violation of the Geneva Conventions.”
Martin Feldstein, former chairman of President Reagan’s Council of Economic Advisers, “said the odds of a recession have risen to more than 50 percent after a report showing unemployment jumped in December. ‘We are now talking about more likely than not,’ Feldstein said.”
Blacks in the United States are “consistently” more likely than whites to receive “inferior cancer treatment.” According to the findings published in the journal Cancer, the problem was “just as bad in 2002 as in 1992.”
On Wednesday, the Supreme Court is scheduled to hear arguments on Indiana’s voter ID law, “the strictest in the nation.” The Court will issue its decision by late June, “in time to affect the November elections.”
President Bush is preparing to head to the Middle East tomorrow — “his first extended presidential visit to the region” — amid “low expectations.” One Arab diplomat expressed “disbelief that the president will use the trip to renew his drive for Middle East democracy. ‘Is that still on?‘ the Arab official replied sarcastically.”
The Washington Post writes that President Bush “intends to use his first extended tour of the Middle East to rally support for international pressure against Iran, even as a recent U.S. intelligence report playing down Tehran’s nuclear ambitions has left Israeli and Arab leaders rethinking their own approach toward Iran and questioning Washington’s resolve.”
Al Qaeda operative “Azzam the American” told his followers to welcome President Bush “with bombs and traps” upon his upcoming visit to the Middle East. Israeli officials in Jerusalem are to deploy more than 10,000 police officers in a vast security operation ahead of the arrival.
“Pakistan will not allow any country to conduct military operations on its territory, officials said on Monday, rejecting a report that said the United States was considering authorizing its forces to act in Pakistan.” “This has been conveyed at the highest level,” said Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Sadiq.
“In another sign of a weakening job market,” the number of Americans working part-time hours increased to 2.8 million in 2007 “because of slower business conditions” up 231,000, or 9%, from 2006. “Since August of 2007, the upward trend has accelerated, and it ticked up again in December to 3.1 million people, the highest monthly figure in four years.”
And finally: Critics often attack the United Nations as a “web of bureaucracy.” To battle that image and inform children of the body’s humanitarian work, the United Nations has teamed up with the comic book company, Marvel, to print a special comic that will feature Spiderman fighting “alongside UN aid workers and peacekeepers.” Outspoken United Nations critic former U.N. ambassador John Bolton called the comic an “act of desperation.”
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Bolton, being part of the gang headed for the Hague, certainly knows abour desperation.
January 7th, 2008 at 9:06 amBreaking News: Story of the Decade
Sibel Edmonds has Spoken to UK Sunday Times!! Says U.S. Officials Involved in Release of Nuke Secrets to Turkey, Pakistan, Iran, others, possibly Al-Qaeda
Sibel Edmonds, the former FBI translator who has been under a Bush administration gag order for the past 5 years, has now begun to disclose some of the classified information she has been prohibited from revealing.
Among the Bombshells:
- Well-known US officials were bribed by foreign agents to steal US nuclear secrets
- Nuclear secrets were then subsequently sold by foreign agents to America’s enemies, including Iran, North Korea and Libya.
-Pakistani officials involved in the nuclear black market network have significant cross-over with al-Qaeda and 9/11
- Foreign intelligence agents from Turkey, Israel and Pakistan enlisted the support of high-level US officials in order to acquire a network of moles deep inside of sensitive American military and nuclear agencies
- Elements of the US government have repeatedly shut down investigations into these crimes under the guise of protecting “certain diplomatic relations.”
- The #3 guy at the State Dept. facilitated the immediate release of 9/11 suspects at thew request of targets of the FBI’s investigation
- High level Pentagon officials were maintaining dossiers on the sexual and financial proclivities on their underlings in order to be able to blackmail them
Full story on BradBlog:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5518#more-5518
** Story blacked out again by American Corporate Media!
January 7th, 2008 at 9:06 am“Outspoken United Nations critic former U.N. ambassador John Bolton called the comic an “act of desperation.—
As desperate as the conservative comic book “liberality”?
http://accstudios.com/
Oh, wait, John Bolton will whore himself for the failed conservative party so he won’t talk about this “act of desperation”, will he?
January 7th, 2008 at 9:10 amWith the push to close the Guantánamo stalled, “a similar effort to scale down a larger and more secretive American detention center in Afghanistan has been troubled by political, legal and security problems.â€
Who’s ’stalling’ a Gitmo closure? And why do we continue torture tactics? I didn’t hear ONE WORD about Gitmo, rendition or torture in either of the campaign debates this weekend.
Why isn’t this a debate topic?
January 7th, 2008 at 9:13 amGood morning, campers.
….” odds of a recession over 50%”
Bush’s ‘voodoo’ economics at work.
January 7th, 2008 at 9:17 amGood morning. :-)
Thanks for the link, 2Million. Will forward the Times link to my hubby when I’m done reading it since he won’t find it in any US media.
January 7th, 2008 at 9:20 amGood morning. :-)
Thanks for the link, 2Million. Will forward the Times link to my hubby when I’m done reading it since he won’t find it in any US media.
Comment by Frosty Cupcake — January 7, 2008 @ 9:20 am
Why did I think Frosty Cupcake was a male? What the hell is wrong with me?
January 7th, 2008 at 9:22 am“President Bush “intends to use his first extended tour of the Middle East to rally support for international pressure against Iran…”
Never let it be said that bush let facts get in the way of ideology.
January 7th, 2008 at 9:23 amWhy did I think Frosty Cupcake was a male? What the hell is wrong with me?
Comment by 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda — January 7, 2008 @ 9:22 am
HA! :D
January 7th, 2008 at 9:24 amThe timing of this smells suspicious:
Breaking NewsU.S. officials: 5 Iranian Revolutionary Guard boats harassed, provoked 3 U.S. Navy warships in the Strait of Hormuz on Saturday.
January 7th, 2008 at 9:24 amWell gee, good_golly, Bush already enacted large tax cuts for his rich friends, and it government collects less taxes than it has in 30 years, so with all this economic stimulus, why do you think the Bush economy is doing so poorly? Also, why do you think adding MORE debt and transferring more wealth to the top 1% will somehow improve matters?
January 7th, 2008 at 9:24 amThe Red Cross warned that some prisoners at the site “were kept from its inspectors and sometimes subjected to cruel treatment in violation of the Geneva Conventions.â€
The damage the Bush Crime Family has done to our international reputation will be something we will be paying for many years to come. It’s really sad that he was given that kind of power.
January 7th, 2008 at 9:26 am“It’s really sad that he was given that kind of power.”
Comment by bilbobaggins — January 7, 2008 @ 9:26 am
Stolen, in my opinion, but that’s another matter. Good morning, bilbo. :-)
January 7th, 2008 at 9:27 amBreaking over on CNN.com: Gulf of Tonkin Redux.
Check it out, and beware!
http://www.cnn.com/
January 7th, 2008 at 9:28 amOne Arab diplomat expressed “disbelief that the president will use the trip to renew his drive for Middle East democracy. ‘Is that still on?‘ the Arab official replied sarcastically.â€
They really must be laughing at us. We can’t even keep this government a democracy, how in the hell are we going to bring democracy to other governments? Besides, a country has never become democratic at the end of a gun.
January 7th, 2008 at 9:28 amPS. Stolen, along with real votes from real idiots (twice!) who thought he’d be a better drinking buddy than Gore or Kerry.
(They could be right about that, though. I’m sure that coke snorting alcoholics are better drinkers than rational intellectuals who also embody self restraint.)
January 7th, 2008 at 9:29 amIsraeli officials in Jerusalem are to deploy more than 10,000 police officers in a vast security operation ahead of the arrival.
The things that country will do to keep themselves primary in the US agenda. I’m sure the people in Israel are going to love having Bush visit.
January 7th, 2008 at 9:29 am2Miilion:
Don’t feel too bad. I generally picture everyone online a male until I’m told otherwise.
Not sure why that is…
January 7th, 2008 at 9:31 amGood Golly wants to give the economy a shot of adrenaline.
January 7th, 2008 at 9:34 amThe Sibel Edmonds story is a bombshell – but will it gain any traction here in the U.S?
January 7th, 2008 at 9:35 amThe damage the Bush Crime Family has done to our international reputation will be something we will be paying for many years to come. It’s really sad that he was given that kind of power.
-Comment by bilbobaggins
Agreed, but it’s even more troubling that America allowed him to do it. ‘It Can’t Happen Here’, by Frank Zappa in the ’60’s, describes today’s mentality of fear & submission to a tee.
Yes, it’s sad Bush was given & chose to use his power like this, but America allowed it.
Shame on us. Time for a change. What can you do? VOTE in ‘08!
January 7th, 2008 at 9:35 amhttp://morepalaver.blogspot.com/2007/12/what-hell-is-wrong-with-martin.html
“Are you kidding me? He wants to reduce tax rates at precisely the same time that the government is going to realize falling tax revenues (falling corportate profits, personal incomes, investment gains)? What would that do to the dollar? Falling interest rates and massive amounts of borrowing to close a spiraling deficit due to increased fiscal expenditures and decreasing revenues would kill the dollar, reserve currency or not, this would be a dollar bloodbath.”
January 7th, 2008 at 9:36 amPresident Bush is preparing to head to the Middle East tomorrow — “his first extended presidential visit to the region†— amid “low expectations.â€
Gee, why would expectations be low???
What a moron.
January 7th, 2008 at 9:39 amIsrael to present Bush with ‘Iran file’
Political-diplomatic forum at Prime Minister’s Office convenes for special discussion ahead of US president’s visit to Jerusalem this week. Defense Minister Ehud Barak to brief Bush on Israeli interpretation to intelligence information on Tehran’s nuclear program
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3491077,00.html
Bush knows he’s losing ground when it comes to fear-mongering around Iran. I’m willing to bet that the sole purpose of this trip is to try to get the ME in line with his fear-mongering attitude towards Iran. You can be sure that Israel will be at the forefront of that effort.
January 7th, 2008 at 9:39 am“Pakistan will not allow any country to conduct military operations on its territory, officials said on Monday, rejecting a report that said the United States was considering authorizing its forces to act in Pakistan.â€
Fine, then Bush needs to tell Busharruf that as long as he is harboring OBL and AQ, there will be no more US dollars for Pakistan. Actually, Bush doesn’t need to do that. Congress needs to do that.
January 7th, 2008 at 9:40 amFor a really good read on the Sibel Edmonds revelations, try J. Raimondo’s “Nukes, Spooks, and the Specter of 9/11″:
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12166
It’s worth taking the time to read.
January 7th, 2008 at 9:40 amThe Mid East is nowhere near as unstable as the Neocons had hoped for. But the puppet-boy-king has plenty of time yet to further destabalize things over there before his celebrated day of departure from office.
January 7th, 2008 at 9:41 am1-20-09 End of an Error
January 7th, 2008 at 9:42 am“Bush knows he’s losing ground when it comes to fear-mongering around Iran. I’m willing to bet that the sole purpose of this trip is to try to get the ME in line with his fear-mongering attitude towards Iran.”
Comment by bilbobaggins — January 7, 2008 @ 9:39 am
Bush’s attempt to get other nations to side with him over Iran will come to nothing. He has zero credibility overseas. Even Britain is rather openly waiting to deal with the next (presumably Democratic) administration.
January 7th, 2008 at 9:43 amWhat TP didn’t tell you is Feldstein’s answer on how to avert a recession:
“blah blah blah blah †Conservatives agree.
Comment by good_golly — January 7, 2008 @ 9:16 am
That’s because conservatives never let actual data get in the way of a good theory, especially a theory that involves a tax cut. Never mind that advice from the very same economists got us into a pickle in the first place, their response never changes. Need to get out of a recession? Follow the same process that got you there in the first place. Brilliant.
January 7th, 2008 at 9:47 amThere are many possible forms of stimulus, including a uniform tax rebate per taxpayer or a percentage reduction in each taxpayer’s liability. †Conservatives agree.
http://www.nber.org/feldstein/wsj120507.html
Comment by good_golly
Goon_golly thinks it’s a good idea to cut taxes (thereby contributing to the debt of this country) to stimulate the economy. Sure, now that everyone has mortgaged their houses to the hilt and no longer has extra money to spend, let’s give them all a tax cut. How about we learn to live within our means and stop our consumer-crazed buying? A tax cut when the economy is failing IS NOT the answer.
This goes back to what I have been saying for a long time. Why the Republiscums want to bankrupt the middle class mystifies me. Where are their customers going to come from once they have bankrupted all of us? The problem with the Republiscums is that they are NOT forward thinkers. All they can think about is their chase for the almighty buck right now, be damned what it does for our future.
I am so afraid that the election in 2008 is going to come too late to save this country from itself.
January 7th, 2008 at 9:47 am#5 isn’t it amazing how conservatives are consistently wrong and how the faithful continually support their already disproved policies. Remember Feldstein is a Reaganite and all those theories were roundly disproved during the 1980’s (and again during the last few years)…at least according to my openly conservative economic professor. Isn’t it also amazing that the only annswer coonservatives have to domestic issues is tax cuts? I suggest everyone read today’s column by Paul Krugman… http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/07/opinion/07krugman.html?ref=opinion including following the link to his blog… http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/ Both are quite interesting.
I wonder where in international waters this confrontation occurred. The straits are 21 miles wide, so given Iran’s 12 miles and Oman’s 12 miles it allows for little international space… Also why why why would a country like Iran attack the US? What do they have to gain other than their destruction, it makes no sense at all.
January 7th, 2008 at 9:52 amConservatives agree.
http://www.nber.org/feldstein/wsj120507.html
Comment by good_golly — January 7, 2008 @ 9:16 am
Conservativism is a mental disease. Conservatives agree because they have no minds of their own. Conservatives have nearly destroyed the USA. Conservatives should have their citizenships revoked.
January 7th, 2008 at 9:53 amIranian Revolutionary Guard gunboats harassed three U.S. Navy warships in the Strait of Hormuz Sunday, in what the U.S. military considers a “significant provocative act.”
Remember the Gulf of Tonkin?
January 7th, 2008 at 9:56 amThe Navy ships were forced to take defensive modes, but no shots were fired by either side.
http://www.abc4.com/ news/ world/ story.aspx?content_id=86fb01a6-5802-4191-b62e-0af5fa75d6d3
Comment by good_golly
Can anyone say “Gulf of Tonkin”? Goon_Golly and the other rightards will buy into a “Wag the Dog” incident and demand an immediate annihilation of Iran in retribution.
Iran has absolutely no reason to hassle our Navy ships unless they were in Iranian waters. Iran is in a very good position with the rest of the world right now and they have no incentive to provoke us. We, on the other hand, with a madman in the Whitehouse, have every reason in the world to provoke Iran. If you poke a rattlesnake hard enough, it is bound to strike back.
January 7th, 2008 at 9:57 amInteresting fact: Good_Golly uses the NBER website to support his assertion that a tax cut is needed.
This is the exact same website that points out the Recession in 2001 started in March, well after Pres. Bush began as the President.
http://www.nber.org/cycles/recessions.html
Looks like the Bush recession of 2001 can be solidly placed on the shoulders of Pres. Bush!
January 7th, 2008 at 9:59 amBut it is disingenuous try to misrepresent Feldstein’s views by omission.
Comment by good_golly — January 7, 2008 @ 9:57 am
Try to keep up. Feldstein was quoted because when the conservatives start admitting the possibility of recession, things have truly gotten bad. It doesn’t mean that his absurd theories on getting out of a recession deserve anything but scorn, given how miserably “conservatives” have been wrong about this for years.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:00 amThe Sibel Edmonds story is a bombshell – but will it gain any traction here in the U.S?
Comment by Marie
Not with the MSM media blackout. You gotta love that “libural” media.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:01 amBreaking over on CNN.com: Gulf of Tonkin Redux.
Check it out, and beware!
http://www.cnn.com/
Comment by Red Pill — January 7, 2008 @ 9:28 am
Yes. CNN has just led the hourly radio newscast with the story you cite. Frightening stuff.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:02 am40. I only reported the news. It is you who are setting up the straw man, bilbo.
Comment by good_golly
So, when the Bush Crime Family manufactures an incident with Iran, you are going to be first to mention the possibility that it is either not true or that the Bush Crime Family provoked the incident? One of those two scenarios would have to happen in order to qualify what I said about you as “setting up a straw man”.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:04 amBottom line:
Republicans, cheer-led by Rove, thought they could build a permanent majority by cutting taxes of the richest Americans, while spending like drunken sailors.
GD criminals. First it didn’t work and now their failed policies will have to be bailed out, once again, by the middle class.
Republicans: Shipping our young men and women to Iraq and all their jobs to China.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:04 amLike the moniker “Free trade agreement” is as oxymoron, so is “Trickle down economics”.
Like most Gov. coined phrases, they’re actually accomplishing THE EXACT OPPOSITE.
But since the MSM loves soundbites, the sheeple remain blind to reality, as usual.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:07 am#32 – Seen the bumper sticker, loved it.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:08 amFurther down the bottom line :
The Bush Crime Cabal hijacked this country 8 years ago, first by stealing the election.
Then creating a Provocative Event that would ensure that this country would rally around the War on Terror Hoax. Think back to that famous sunny, Tuesday morning in September a little over 6 years ago.
Destroy almost all manufacturing in this country. The Have Mores are the Have Even Mores.
Let’s steal another election (see: Ohio). Let’s strip away the Constitution and our Bill of Rights.
(The Patriot Act, The Military Commissions Act)
What’s next?? : 9/11 Redux?
January 7th, 2008 at 10:13 amIt’s time to outsource The Nazi Chimp and Darth Cheney.
Remember, it was Kennedy and Johnson, both Democrats, that got us into Viet Nam.
Comment by good_golly — January 7, 2008 @ 10:09 am
actually, it was Eisenhower. Your lies are all too easy to expose. Typical conservative smears and lies, all the time.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:17 am“Low expectations” and “Bush” are conjoined twins.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:17 amWhat did we miss?
How about Bildo O’Really trying to grab & corner Obama in New Hampshire Sat. night?
Secret Service members had to literally pull Bill away after he confronted Obama at a campaign event…
January 7th, 2008 at 10:19 am#56 Name calling and straw man logical reasoning fallacies are in no way forms of rational debate.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:23 amactually, it was Eisenhower. Your lies are all too easy to expose. Typical conservative smears and lies, all the time.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — January 7, 2008 @ 10:17 am
Unfortunately, the Gulf of Tonkin incident did happen in 1964, on LBJ’s watch. Johnson used it as an excuse to escalate US troop levels in Vietnam.
The real question is why polly_wolly thinks this is relevant. Is this a substitute for “Clinton did it!” ?
January 7th, 2008 at 10:23 amI guess the objectively pro-terrorist folks at TP want us to go back to the days when Hillary Clinton was kissing Arafat’s wife.
Comment by Manslagt
how can this person be allowed to post again after making such a statement?
January 7th, 2008 at 10:24 am#51 the political party of the president (Johnson) serving when the Gulf of Tonkin incident occurred is irrelevant. What is relevant is that that administration essentially created a situation that paved the way for us to go to war. If the current situation proves to be more Tonkin like than true provocation, then the political party of Bush will still be irrelevant, what will be relevant is what they did to escalate or diffuse the situation. Bush could do wonders for his image if he would talk with the Iranians about this (or any other contentious issue for that matter). We all know that will not happen. To the rest of the sane world this has the appearance of the US trying to provoke a fight, I honestly hope this is not the case.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:25 amI guess the objectively pro-terrorist folks at TP want us to go back to the days when Hillary Clinton was kissing Arafat’s wife.
Comment by Manslagt — January 7, 2008 @ 10:21 am
yes, let’s stay with Bush holding hands with terrorist funders. Much better.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:25 amI guess the objectively pro-terrorist folks at TP want us to go back to the days when Hillary Clinton was kissing Arafat’s wife.
-Comment by Manslagt
Better that than Bush kissing Saudi Princes or you kissing Bush’s ass.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:28 amUnfortunately, the Gulf of Tonkin incident did happen in 1964, on LBJ’s watch. Johnson used it as an excuse to escalate US troop levels in Vietnam.
The real question is why polly_wolly thinks this is relevant. Is this a substitute for “Clinton did it!†?
Comment by gummitch — January 7, 2008 @ 10:23 am
While true, and costing LBJ his second term, gg was putting up the lie that Dems “got us into” Vietnam. For the party of personal responsibilty, republicans sure don’t care that Bush failed us so miserably on 9/11. That should have cost him his freedom, right there. He should be in prison for the rest of his miserable life for allowing that.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:28 amNot to worry Fred, #56 is just angry that not enough notice is being made about bull shit bush having his hand up the saudi prince’s dress……Blessings
January 7th, 2008 at 10:29 am#53. Eisenhower had a very small number of advisors in Viet Nam.
Comment by good_golly — January 7, 2008 @ 10:28 am
So I was right, and you’re a liar. we all knew that. All republicans are liars, all the time. It’s part of their conservative mental disease.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:30 am“Let me be very clear on this. I am not in support of attacking Iran at the present time. But if they ever do actually fire on our ships in international waters as they threatened to do, we should be ready, willing and able to fire back, and to fire back hard.”
Comment by good_golly
Why don’t we just send them a bible-shaped cake, and offer to sell them weapons?
It worked like a charm the first time.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:36 amgood golly thinks we have business in the waters off of Iran other than instigating an incident… reminds me of the simpsons….I’m going to wave my arms like this and if you just happen to get in the way…..
January 7th, 2008 at 10:37 amNormally I don’t engage trolls, “good golly,” but I’ll make an exception in this case. You’ll see no apologetics for Lyndon Johnson from me; the historical evidence has long since revealed that LBJ knew the Tonkin incident to be a fraud, and that he knowingly and willfully engaged in a systematic cover-up of the strategic situation in Vietnam over the course of his presidency.
I’ll also say, however, that American involvement in Vietnam evolved over the course of five administrations (Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon), and it was under the care of Ike and SecState John Foster Dulles that the United States permitted the subversion of democracy in Vietnam in 1956 by failing to enforce the 1954 Geneva Accords, which called for popular elections to reunify the country. Republican and Democratic hands are bloody on this one.
Finally, I find the implications of your post (51) characteristic of the arrested thought I find all too often on the right: because I take a Republican to task does not automatically imply that I find no fault with Democrats or any other individual with whom I might be politically sympathetic. I’ll also say that most the posters on the blog are thoughtful enough to employ a similar approach. The “us versus them” world view reflected in your remarks is profoundly ineffective and uninformed, and my great horror is that it remains the bedrock of the foreign policy of this administration, despite an abundance of evidence refuting its utility.
Democrats make mistakes in action and judgment; Republicans (clearly) make mistakes in action and judgment. This failing Republic needs members of both who prioritize the general welfare over personal and party advantage, who acknowledge errors, and attempt to both learn from and avoid them in the future.
Your assumptions are showing, “good golly;” I recommend more measured responses in the future.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:39 amgood golly doesn’t remember when we got out of viet nam either…….he just likes to decide what we talk about
January 7th, 2008 at 10:39 amFor the party of personal responsibilty, republicans sure don’t care that Bush failed us so miserably on 9/11.
That is a fact.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:40 amBush successfully pulled off the Eddie Haskell posture in the aftermath of 9/11. He has yet to pay the price for his abject failure as president in disregarding the PDBs and exploiting the horrified public for his own aggrandisement.
I personally think Arafat was a freedom fighter.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:41 amWe have every business in “international†waters Fred. That is why they are called “international†waters and not “waters off Iran.â€
Comment by good_golly — January 7, 2008 @ 10:39 am
we call them international waters, because we lie for oil. You wouldn’t be tootling that tune if they were off our shores, and you know it. For a coward, you’re nothing but hot air.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:42 amI personally think Arafat was a terrorist.
Comment by good_golly
And Sharon?
January 7th, 2008 at 10:43 amThe “Gulf of Tonkin†incidents were used by a Democrat President, LBJ. Remember, it was Kennedy and Johnson, both Democrats, that got us into Viet Nam.
Comment by good_golly — January 7, 2008 @ 10:09 am
And you’re making a fatal assumption that if a Democrat does something, we automatically approve of it — or at the very least, excuse it. That’s the sort of thing the Bush apologists do, not us.
Ramming his Gulf of Tonkin resolution through Congress on the basis of lies in order to escalate the Vietnam War was just as wrong back then as Bush and Cheney lying to go to war more recently. We protested that action back then (those of us who are old enough, anyway) just as we protest those actions now.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:43 amI personally think Bush’s terrorism vaults him to the top of the list. He has brought great shame on America.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:45 amthese repubs will dig up Lincoln next to avoid dealing with the realities of now……
January 7th, 2008 at 10:46 am77. That must be one of those “measured responses†that Red Pill was talking about.
Comment by good_golly — January 7, 2008 @ 10:45 am
yes, another truth is a measured response, rather than swallowing all the horseshit the right wants to shovel down our throat. Al Qaeda are also freedom fighters, by the way.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:47 am#64 again what does the political party of Johnson and Kennedy have to do with it? Bad policy is bad policy regardless of who is at the helm. Had Clinton ordered the invasion of Iraq I would still be against it because it is bad policy. I suspect that you on the other hand would be against it because a democrat would have ordered it up.
#67 this gets back to the conversation going on last week. This is all alleged and they do have a presumption of innocence until proven guilty don’t they? We have only a coupled reports with very little detail on them. We really have no idea if the waters were international waters, or If Iran really did threaten our ships. Remember going by the standard rules Iran and Oman each get their twelve miles, which would overlap each other if not for the narrow shipping channel. It is easy to get out of the channel (Just ask Joe Hazelwood). I’m going to reserve judgment until more facts are known. And sorry, but this is another one of those situations where there is no way on earth I will accept the administrations “trust us it happened” explanation. I’ll need real proof.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:48 amI’ll need real proof.
Comment by Severus — January 7, 2008 @ 10:48 am
That’s what separates Democrats from traitors.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:49 am77. That must be one of those “measured responses†that Red Pill was talking about.
Comment by good_golly — January 7, 2008 @ 10:45 am
This must be good_golly trying to troll and derail the thread, because his silly points have been shattered.
January 7th, 2008 at 10:49 amWhy does Bolton hate Spiderman?
January 7th, 2008 at 10:51 amIt was Ford, a Republican, that got us out.
Comment by good_golly — January 7, 2008 @ 10:37 am
What a ridiculously gross and self-serving simplification of the situation. I would think Li’l GG didn’t actually live thru that events of that time.
Ford also pardoned Nixon BEFORE Nixon had been charged w/ anything.
January 7th, 2008 at 11:02 amWe protested that action back then (those of us who are old enough, anyway) just as we protest those actions now.
Comment by missmolly — January 7, 2008 @ 10:43 am
Li’l GG clearly didn’t live thru the events of that time, missmolly, or he would surely have remembered just how incredibly unpopular Johnson was at the time, and how thoroughly vilified he was for his part in Vietnam.
Can anyone explain why the French had any good reason to be over there in the first place?
January 7th, 2008 at 11:06 amI did live through the events “of that time.â€
Comment by good_golly
Yet, still stunningly ignorant. Thanks for lending credibility to the evidence of your incredible ignorance.
January 7th, 2008 at 11:11 amgood golly, I certainly hope you are getting paid to disrupt here because if you are not then you are more pathetic than words can describe.
January 7th, 2008 at 11:18 amTrollphucks at work; thread hijacked…
January 7th, 2008 at 11:25 am#46 – “What exactly did he do in those six weeks that started a recession in March? Think.” Comment by good_golly — January 7, 2008 @ 10:02 am
That’s exactly what caused it. People thinking!
“Pres. Bush has a MAJOR surplus! How long until he cuts taxes and raises the deficit faster than every before?!?!?!?!”
All it took was the uncertainty factor caused by his being selected to “trickle down” into the economy and get everyone scared that the economy is going to tank.
Think! What else could have caused it? It certainly wasn’t the historical highs the DOW reached under Pres. Clinton and the then-Republican majority in the House!
Think about it! The only thing that changed was Pres. Bush being selected! it’s like the dip in the DOW when Pres. Clinton was elected in 1992, but the difference is that nobody dared to blame THAT on Fmr. Pres. HW Bush.
January 7th, 2008 at 11:26 amCan anyone explain why the French had any good reason to be over there in the first place?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — January 7, 2008 @ 11:06 am
Their “good reason” was pure imperialism.
January 7th, 2008 at 11:32 amTheir “good reason†was pure imperialism.
Comment by Wayne
Oh, Wayne, you conspiracy theorist… /sarc. :)
January 7th, 2008 at 11:42 amBush and low expectations? Tell me it ain’t so!
If he doesn’t shit himself on stage he exceeds expectations.
January 7th, 2008 at 11:47 amSeverus @ 85:
“I suspect that you on the other hand would be against it because a democrat would have ordered it up.”
I’ve said his before, but you summed it up better than I have. The biggest difference between the two parties, in my opinion.
January 7th, 2008 at 11:47 amPakistan will not allow any country to conduct military operations on its territory, officials said on Monday, rejecting a report that said the United States was considering authorizing its forces to act in Pakistan.†“This has been conveyed at the highest level,†said Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Sadiq.
Later the spokesman added, “We will harbor any terrorists we choose to harbor, and giving us millions in aid doesn’t change that”.
January 7th, 2008 at 12:18 pmI haven’t seen anything on the topic of Democratic Super Delegates, and the fact that Clinton is all ready way ahead…
DELEGATES
Clinton 158
Obama 89
Edwards 26
Richardson 20
Dodd 15
Biden 8
Kucinich 1
Gravel 0
January 7th, 2008 at 12:42 pmSuper Delegates
Another day, another lesson. Thanks RUCerious and good_golly. That does seem to suck.
January 7th, 2008 at 2:11 pmMay he stay in the Middle East!
January 7th, 2008 at 4:02 pmAnn Coulter and her boyfriend broke up.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:01 pm1. I can hardly believe she had a boyfriend.
2. He is a Democrat!
Jeesh! I’d say it must have all been about the sex, but with Coulter, that doesn’t apply.
#103 – “It explains the Democrat’s rather un-democratic way of allocating delegates.” Comment by good_golly — January 7, 2008 @ 1:26 pm
Sort of reminds me of the rather un-democratic way the Electoral College works.
January 8th, 2008 at 7:19 am