50% of diplomats disagree with Iraq war.
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50% of diplomats disagree with Iraq war.
The Washington Post reported today that only “18 percent of the U.S. Foreign Service think Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is doing a good job protecting their profession” and 44 percent rate her performance as “poor” or “very poor.” The AP also notes that nearly 50 percent of diplomats disagree with the Bush administration’s Iraq policy:
But 48 percent cited “disagreement” with administration policy as a factor in their opposition, said the survey conducted by the American Foreign Service Association, the union that represents U.S. diplomats. In addition, nearly 70 percent of U.S. diplomats oppose forced assignments to Iraq.
State Department spokesman Sean McCormack dismissed the findings, claiming the poll was “self-selective.”
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January 8th, 2008 at 1:07 pmIf I were in the government, I would have resigned in protest of this administration's BS policies and war.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:08 pmThis is news?
Comment by Keltoi — January 8, 2008 @ 1:07 pm
This is a blog. If you want "news", try CNN, MSNBC, Yahoo News, ABC News, etc.....if you want propaganda disguised as "news" try Foxnews.com
January 8th, 2008 at 1:09 pmSean McCormack dismissed the findings....facts have a liberal bias and this Criminal Administration hates facts, unless of course it is the Fake-facts that they make up.
Bush/Cheney
Hague Trails '09
Buck Fush
January 8th, 2008 at 1:10 pm1%
January 8th, 2008 at 1:13 pmI think I like Keltoi At Night better
January 8th, 2008 at 1:14 pmStupid Comment by Manslagt -
I believe you have the location wrong, aim further SOUTH as in Southeast where they are just chuck full of bigots.
Bush/Cheney
Hague Trails '09
Buck Fush
January 8th, 2008 at 1:15 pmI think I like Keltoi At Night better
Comment by Wilco — January 8, 2008 @ 1:14 pm
Sorry, same guy. Keltoi at night has the ability to drink beer, though, so I like him better too.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:17 pmWhat percentage of those FSOs are white men from the northeast who do not approved of an African-American woman being their boss?
Comment by Manslagt
what's the matter, can't deal with the fact that she's a failure?
January 8th, 2008 at 1:17 pmEven if the poll is inaccurate because it's "self-selective", the results are fairly believable. The U.S. Foreign Service consists of career diplomats and diplomatic professionals, not kool-aid drinking Bush appointees.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:17 pmIs there a Keltoi At Midday?
January 8th, 2008 at 1:17 pmIs there a Keltoi At Midday?
Comment by Wilco — January 8, 2008 @ 1:17 pm
Probably, but what would he be drinking?
January 8th, 2008 at 1:18 pmAnd Keltoi, don't apologize. I should, as I use that same crappy joke every time I see you on here, it seems. Or it's opposite.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:19 pmEven if the poll is inaccurate because it’s “self-selectiveâ€, the results are fairly believable. The U.S. Foreign Service consists of career diplomats and diplomatic professionals, not kool-aid drinking Bush appointees.
Comment by missmolly
I don't think you will find a rational person that will argue with you. As you say it's only the kook-aid drinkers who want to stick up for another failed bushie.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:20 pmWhat percentage of those FSOs are white men from the northeast who do not approved of an African-American woman being their boss?
Comment by Manslagt
Perhaps they are more mature and professional than you think.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:20 pm.
Sean McCormack suffers from abject reality.
.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:21 pmProbably, but what would he be drinking?
Comment by missmolly
A White Russian. Silly question.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:22 pmYup. The survey is "self-selective". The respondents are professionals engaged in promoting the interests of the United States abroad through diplomatic effort.
As such, it does not reflect the views of GDumbya, his Keystone Kops or the 28-percent dead-ender kool-aid drinkers who still support the abortion that is the current presi-dunce.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:24 pmI have a source who said that Keltoi at midday is hammered by downing boilermakers with tequila chasers. just kidding.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:25 pmYeah, this thread is probably going to be boring. No one can defend condi.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:25 pmComment by Uncle Ho
Your source is a dirty liar!
January 8th, 2008 at 1:26 pmProbably, but what would he be drinking?
Comment by missmolly — January 8, 2008 @ 1:18 pm
Diet Coke in a can with a shot of spiced rum. Gets the caffeine going from the java drop off and fools the boss at the same time.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:29 pmI think I like Keltoi At Midday least of all. I hear he doesn't buy American.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:30 pmSo typical of the Bush administration to ignore reality. The reality is that the foreign service IS NOT enamored with Rice. They consider her a failure, which she is. Period. Boy, do we need change from this administration.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:31 pmComment by gus smith
One year, 12 days
January 8th, 2008 at 1:32 pmWell, Fred at 21 - we can all be entertained by Mannyslag TRYING, can't we...?
January 8th, 2008 at 1:32 pmI think I like Keltoi At Midday least of all. I hear he doesn’t buy American.
Comment by Wilco — January 8, 2008 @ 1:30 pm
Aw c'mon! It doesn't get more American than Diet Coke!
January 8th, 2008 at 1:34 pmWell, Fred at 21 - we can all be entertained by Mannyslag TRYING, can’t we…?
Comment by Leftside Annie
the trolls seem to be kinda docile today......they been taking a beating the last few days.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:35 pmWilco; re-read my post. pay closed attention to the last sentence. It was a JOKE.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:36 pmUgh, Carville and Bagala are joining Hill'reh's campaign. Now we get to watch the ragin' Cajun attacking Obama - no doubt claiming Obama isn't as black as Bill Clinton.
It is too late for Hill'reh. We saw in the OJ trial that liberal women will support a black man over a white woman, even if the black man stabs the woman to death.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:36 pmAw c’mon! It doesn’t get more American than Diet Coke!
Comment by Keltoi — January 8, 2008 @ 1:34 pm
You're drinking American rum? Yeesh.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:37 pmHo, I was joking too.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:37 pmDo you agree with the Iraq War?
No...
Well obviously it was a loaded question...
January 8th, 2008 at 1:37 pmThis poll is "self-selective" according to the administration? In other words, it represents the views of those who chose to come out and criticize the Bush Administration? And even then, only 18% support Condi Rice's job performance and 50% were opposed to the handling of the war in Iraq. A forced poll obligating each and every diplomat to respond would have been even more critical of Bush, including those who didn't want to expose themselves by openly criticizing their boss. I would estimate that the members of the State Department who are fed up with the Iraq war is closer to 90%.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:38 pmKeltoi; I'm more of a Pepsi drinker as opposed to Coke. Take the taste test.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:39 pmWilco; OK-just don't want anyone really flying off the handle over that one.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:40 pmComment by Starve-A-Bush_Feed-A-Beaver
Let's face it, everyone except the war mongers are fed up with this war.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:40 pmYAY, Manny!!! You came through for us, boy!!!
Woohoo!!!
Lame, though. Very lame.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:41 pmI don’t consider Condi a faliure. However, racists and sexists might call her that.
Comment by Manslagt
Or just someone with common sense kook aid boy
January 8th, 2008 at 1:42 pmmaybe it will get better annie....don't see how though.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:42 pmHmmmm. So I guess the reason why we think Chimpy is a failure is because he's a white man...?
OK. Whatever you say, manny, dear. Isn't it nap time now...?
January 8th, 2008 at 1:43 pmFred:
“what’s the matter, can’t deal with the fact that she’s a failure?â€
I don’t consider Condi a faliure. However, racists and sexists might call her that.
Comment by Manslagt — January 8, 2008 @ 1:39 pm
Yes, racists and sexists judge by appearence and gender. Anyhow, we are speaking of yet another group, professionals of the same field, who judge by performance.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:43 pmthat's how them fish like manny get caught.....dummies swim with thier mouths open
January 8th, 2008 at 1:43 pmWe have seen this within EPA, DoJ, CIA, FEMA, NASA and practically every other administrative agency. In each case, those who have been career civil servants with a history of serving both Republican and Democratic adminstrations agree that they are being led by fools. However, if you speak to one of the few die-hard Republicans still left, you will find that they will speak only of traitors, partisanship and liberal bias. The same occurs in foreign policy. Even Canada and most of our European allies believe that Russia plays a more constructive role in the world than the United States. It is time to bring down these fools. This administration, the Republicans and their conservative allies show every sign of being delusional.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:43 pmI don’t consider Condi a faliure. However, racists and sexists might call her that.
Comment by Manslagt
this sounds kinda like a commie thing to say when I think about it.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:45 pmI don’t consider Condi a faliure. However, racists and sexists might call her that.
Comment by Manslagt — January 8, 2008 @ 1:39 pm
True, racists and sexists might call Condi a "failure". But more likely, they would refer to her with racist and sexist terms, NOT a term than denotes performance deficits. The fact is many of us can look at Condi Rice, not as a black female, but simply as a public servant and judge her performance on its own merits. Your attempt to paint criticism of her as racist or sexist is a pretty lame form of support for her.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:48 pmOur relations with nearly every nation in the world have deteriorated under the chymp's regime. As the watercarrier for said policies, she has done zip, nada, nil as a buffer to the buffoon.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:48 pmSlag, she's a failure as Secretary of State. Not as a Black Secretary of State, not as a female SecState, just a failure.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:49 pmNot that she had much to help her out with the chympident's policies...
Yeah, not even the trolls can argue that she is a total failure......anut tom if you will. her and powell just filling quota's for bushie...too bad they are such weak human beings.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:50 pmI don’t consider Condi a faliure. However, racists and sexists might call her that.
Comment by Manslagt — January 8, 2008 @ 1:39 pm
No -- I truly think she would be just as incompetent if she was a white male.
You know, it IS possible to criticize a woman and/or a person of color without being racist or sexist.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:50 pmHas Condoleeza Rice had even one major diplomatic coup? Since she's been made Secretary of State by Georgina Bush, has she enjoyed even one major diplomatic success? I'm honestly wondering if maybe a major news event went by without my knowing it. Does anyone have any information on this?
January 8th, 2008 at 1:51 pmbut weak human beings is what bush likes.....those and the kook aid kids
January 8th, 2008 at 1:52 pmDiet Coke in a can with a shot of spiced rum. Gets the caffeine going from the java drop off and fools the boss at the same time.
Comment by Keltoi — January 8, 2008 @ 1:29 pm
Aha! Speedballing on the job!
January 8th, 2008 at 1:52 pmYou know, it IS possible to criticize a woman and/or a person of color without being racist or sexist.
Comment by missmolly — January 8, 2008 @ 1:50 pm
It's kind of the point, really, criticizing them for their actual behavior rather than color or gender. I don't expect Manslagt to grasp that, however. The Bush administration has tried to deflect any criticism of them as racist or sexist by pointing to Rice -- there's a name for that, of course. Tokenism.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:54 pmManslagt, question for you on post 53. Here's your chance to be the "BushCo Hero". Drop the logic crutch and give a coherent, irrefutable answer to a relevant question about Condi Rice which will convince us all that she is competent and worthy of our praises and apologies for perhaps not seeing beyond her skin color or gender.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:54 pmI don’t consider Condi a faliure. However, racists and sexists might call her that.
Comment by Manslagt — January 8, 2008 @ 1:39 pm
She's not a failure because she's a woman, or because she's black -- she's a failure because not doing her job properly.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:01 pm50% means that half of the Washington insiders believe that Condi's a total failure. I would think the number might be higher than that. If it's rigged or skewed in any way, it's rigged to create a higher than realistic number here. She's the quintessential flop! And that has nothing to do with sex, color, or creed.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:07 pmManslagt, question for you on post 53. Here’s your chance to be the “BushCo Heroâ€. Drop the logic crutch and give a coherent, irrefutable answer to a relevant question about Condi Rice which will convince us all that she is competent and worthy of our praises and apologies for perhaps not seeing beyond her skin color or gender.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian
no way.....he will run like a little chicken.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:08 pmOff topic but noteworthy: Check out today's critical post at http://www.blackboxvoting.org regarding the "Sylvester" of the hackable voting machines in New Hampshire. Sylvester runs the DRE's in several states. This is a call to arms - when our last constitutional freedom is being handily removed from us, our right to free and fair elections, then we've totally moved from democracy to an outright fascist dictatorship.
http://www.blackboxvoting.org
January 8th, 2008 at 2:09 pmManny....? Manny? Yooooo hoooooo, Manny!!!
*crickets*
January 8th, 2008 at 2:11 pmIt's appalling that we cared more about the Iraqi's having a free and fair election with the use of armed guards and a "no vehicle zone" near the polls as a benchmark for Bush's concept of "democracy" and we have yet to address our own "hacked elections" in this country. What a totally heinous, criminal injustice is being done to the people of this country who actually believe that their vote will count.
Fix it or forget it! Some states are mandating "paper ballots" which needs to be a nationalwide mandate before our election this year - or else - expect the results to be hacked again - for the third time by the GOP.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:11 pmHas Condoleeza Rice had even one major diplomatic coup?
Comment by Starve-A-Bush_Feed-A-Beaver
No, but she did save a lot of money on her car insurance.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:12 pmShe’s not a failure because she’s a woman, or because she’s black — she’s a failure because not doing her job properly.
Comment by Zooey — January 8, 2008 @ 2:01 pm
I am not sure if that is even fair, really. Her job is to put the President's Foreign Policy into effect - she is doing just that. While there have been Great Secretaries of State who were chosen for their independence and expertise, that was certainly not what got her the job. She is well educated and intelligent, but her very close association with Bush earned her the enmity of the career diplomatic corps before she even showed up on day one.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:15 pmNo, but she did save a lot of money on her car insurance.
Comment by StratRat — January 8, 2008 @ 2:12 pm
Probably has slept at a Holiday Inn, too.....
January 8th, 2008 at 2:17 pmProbably has slept at a Holiday Inn, too…..
Comment by Keltoi
LOL...A five star property to be sure...
January 8th, 2008 at 2:22 pmKeltoi, based on what the chymp's foreign policy is, the pentagon has been much more in charge of implementing it.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:22 pmRice's job has been to manage relationships with the rest of the nations, and at that, she's done a piss poor job.
She is well educated and intelligent, but her very close association with Bush earned her the enmity of the career diplomatic corps before she even showed up on day one.
Comment by Keltoi
I agree that Dr. Rice is a very, very smart person - but only in an acedemic sense (maybe shoes, too). She also has a specific background dealing in Russian issues. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, and the ME being the trouble spot, I think she has loads of expertise, but in the wrong area.
Seems to me Bush would have selected a ME expert if he had plans to invade Iraq. At least that person would have come into the job with the necessary background.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:25 pmno way…..he will run like a little chicken.
Comment by Fred — January 8, 2008 @ 2:08 pm
I know, but I've always enjoyed watching little chickens run, flapping their right wings. They are so cute when they do that.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:28 pmShe’s not a failure because she’s a woman, or because she’s black — she’s a failure because not doing her job properly.
Comment by Zooey — January 8, 2008 @ 2:01 pm
I am not sure if that is even fair, really. Her job is to put the President’s Foreign Policy into effect - she is doing just that. While there have been Great Secretaries of State who were chosen for their independence and expertise, that was certainly not what got her the job. She is well educated and intelligent, but her very close association with Bush earned her the enmity of the career diplomatic corps before she even showed up on day one.
Comment by Keltoi
she was doa because she got her job through an oil company....................
January 8th, 2008 at 2:31 pmSeems to me Bush would have selected a ME expert if he had plans to invade Iraq. At least that person would have come into the job with the necessary background.
Comment by StratRat — January 8, 2008 @ 2:25 pm
Loyalty is more important to Bush. I wonder if President Obama would consider Joe Biden or Bill Richardson for SoS? I'd like to think President McCain would, that would be a really nice first step toward bi-partisanship.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:32 pmshe was never qualified for the job. It's the shrub network of cronies.....
please don't try to make her out to be more than that because she is not. Maybe she would have make a good school teacher....that 's about it.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:33 pmLoyalty is more important to Bush. I wonder if President Obama would consider Joe Biden or Bill Richardson for SoS? I’d like to think President McCain would, that would be a really nice first step toward bi-partisanship.
Comment by Keltoi
yeah like mcain is going to win........the repubs are not going to win. They coundn't win with raygun right now.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:34 pmComment by Manslagt — January 8, 2008 @ 1:39 pm
...Your attempt to paint criticism of her as racist or sexist is a pretty lame form of support for her.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian — January 8, 2008 @ 1:48 pm
Very true, PLC. But what else has the Man-Slag got? Dr. Rice's performance?
January 8th, 2008 at 2:35 pmshe’s a failure because not doing her job properly.
Comment by Zooey — January 8, 2008 @ 2:01 pm
I am not sure if that is even fair, really. Her job is to put the President’s Foreign Policy into effect - she is doing just that.
Comment by Keltoi — January 8, 2008 @ 2:15 pm
Keltoi has a good point. It's not clear how competent Dr. Rice is in her job, since it would be pretty much impossible to achieve much in the post while implementing Bush administration policies.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:39 pmLoyalty is more important to Bush. I wonder if President Obama would consider Joe Biden or Bill Richardson for SoS? I’d like to think President McCain would, that would be a really nice first step toward bi-partisanship.
Comment by Keltoi — January 8, 2008 @ 2:32 pm
No offense, dude, but you've bought into the whole "maverick" myth. The most drastic selection McCain might make would be to dig out (literally) some of the moldy Bush I administrators. We'd end up with a Cabinet with a collective age of about 900 years.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:41 pmNo offense, dude, but you’ve bought into the whole “maverick†myth. The most drastic selection McCain might make would be to dig out (literally) some of the moldy Bush I administrators. We’d end up with a Cabinet with a collective age of about 900 years.
Comment by gummitch — January 8, 2008 @ 2:41 pm
Hah! That is funny, cause I was sitting here thinking, okay who is the best Republican foreign policy person these days that maybe Obama could consider appointing in the spirit of bi-partisanship....couldn't think of anyone. Sad.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:45 pmNot a "peep" from Manslagt. What the "cluck"? Nothing to "crow" about Condi? Nothing "eggstraordinary" to report about her performance? Did we "ruffle his feathers"? Did his poor logic "come home to roost"? Chicken and Rice not so soup-er?
January 8th, 2008 at 2:47 pmyeah like mcain is going to win……..the repubs are not going to win. They coundn’t win with raygun right now.
Comment by Fred — January 8, 2008 @ 2:34 pm
November is a loooonnnnnggg ways away - a hell of a lot could happen.
Let's say Obama gets the nomination in March, Musharef is blown up in the Summer, Pakistan suffers an Iranian style Islamic Revolution in the Fall - you still think the American public wouldn't give McCain a hard look?
I am praying for a McCain-Obama matchup because it would be fascinating on a variety of levels, but I could also live with either outcome.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:49 pmIf I were in the government, I would have resigned in protest of this administration’s BS policies and war.
Comment by Uncle Ho
Many of these people are career diplomats who have worked at their jobs through many presidents. I'm sure they are holding on waiting for the day when someone sane is sitting in the Whitehouse.
January 8th, 2008 at 3:01 pmKeltoi - McCain is probably not going to get the Repub nom. He's too old, and there are too many Repubs who don't like him. And he has no money.
The rest of the Repubs are toast as well. I predict both Romney and Guiliani will drop out in the next couple of weeks - I'm going to go out on a limb and say no later than 2/5 (Super Tuesday). Huckabooby's probably gone by then as well.
My personal bet is on Fred Thompson - because he's too lazy to campaign, therefore, he can't really do anything wrong. ;o)
January 8th, 2008 at 3:03 pmMany of these people are career diplomats who have worked at their jobs through many presidents. I’m sure they are holding on waiting for the day when someone sane is sitting in the Whitehouse.
Comment by bilbobaggins
Bilbobaggins is wise. The only people who should resign over Bush's policies are the folks who were selected by Bush to advance and monitor those policies. Everybody else was there before W, and they will be there after W - as it should be.
January 8th, 2008 at 3:06 pmMy personal bet is on Fred Thompson - because he’s too lazy to campaign, therefore, he can’t really do anything wrong. ;o)
Comment by Leftside Annie
LOL. Ah, the lazy strategy. If Freddie is nominated, I can imagine his campaign advisors getting on all the talk shows to speak about their revolutionary and brilliant new political strategy of laziness. When under attack, fall asleep.
January 8th, 2008 at 3:10 pmI almost hate to say it but I wonder if Condi has had anything to do with the fact that we haven't attacked Iran yet? One gets the impression that she's played a bit of a countering role to Cheney's bloodlust. That possibility is the best thing I can think of about her.
January 8th, 2008 at 3:11 pmLOL. Ah, the lazy strategy. If Freddie is nominated, I can imagine his campaign advisors getting on all the talk shows to speak about their revolutionary and brilliant new political strategy of laziness. When under attack, fall asleep.
Comment by Starve-A-Bush_Feed-A-Beaver — January 8, 2008 @ 3:10 pm
Seems entirely appropriate for Fred to use the opossum strategy.
January 8th, 2008 at 3:12 pmI almost hate to say it but I wonder if Condi has had anything to do with the fact that we haven’t attacked Iran yet? One gets the impression that she’s played a bit of a countering role to Cheney’s bloodlust. That possibility is the best thing I can think of about her.
Comment by mary
Wasn't Condi hired by Big Daddy Bush to toilet train his son for a couple of years before he ran for President? Rice practically lived with the Bush family during that time and was supposed to make chicken George competent and aware of the world. I think Condi spent quite a bit of time tutoring the Chimp, in fact. I don't think she did a very good job of that, either.
January 8th, 2008 at 3:15 pm84 and 86 - you guys are cracking me up!! ;o)
January 8th, 2008 at 3:19 pmMy personal bet is on Fred Thompson - because he’s too lazy to campaign, therefore, he can’t really do anything wrong. ;o)
Comment by Leftside Annie — January 8, 2008 @ 3:03 pm
Well, we'll know the deal after NH today. I cannot imagine Thompson getting the nod. If McCain doesn't get it there isn't another R I could vote for in this batch. Go, Obama.
January 8th, 2008 at 3:26 pmShorter post #91: Clinton's SoS didn't do it, too.
January 8th, 2008 at 3:51 pmEven shorter post #91: "cluck"
“what’s the matter, can’t deal with the fact that she’s a failure?â€
I don’t consider Condi a faliure. However, racists and sexists might call her that.
Comment by Manslagt
Typical rightard rhetoric. Condi Rice has accomplished NOTHING positive in her rein in the State Department, but if anyone calls her a failure they are a racist or sexist. Gotcha.
January 8th, 2008 at 4:05 pmI suppose that if one was to be critical of Hillary it would have nothing to do with sexism eh Manslaght?
January 8th, 2008 at 4:07 pm91 Comment by Manslagt
January 8th, 2008 at 4:09 pmwe don't answer kool aid drinking trolls.
November is a loooonnnnnggg ways away - a hell of a lot could happen.
Let’s say Obama gets the nomination in March, Musharef is blown up in the Summer, Pakistan suffers an Iranian style Islamic Revolution in the Fall - you still think the American public wouldn’t give McCain a hard look?
Comment by Keltoi
Yes, I think they would give McCain a hard look and it wouldn't be pretty. America is tired of our government sticking our noses in other people's business. What business is it of ours what happens in Pakistan? Do you think that we should invade Pakistan like we did Iraq just because they have political problems?
The people in this country have awakened from a long sleep and they now realize that Eisenhower was right when he warned us against the Military Industrial Complex that is now running our government. Perpetual war will do nothing other than make new enemies of the US and bankrupt this country. Everyone other than the 28%ers and (like you) have decided that they would rather live in a peaceful world where we mind our own business.
January 8th, 2008 at 4:12 pm96 bilbobaggins
January 8th, 2008 at 4:16 pmdamn, you shouldn't spell it out for them, it will cause thier heads to explode. Kool aid drinkers don't think all the way out to what really will drive them in the hole......the economy and it ain't pretty......dig your way out of that one kool aid kids.
Americans have had a good look at untethered conservatism and it scares them. There is a reason the dems ran things for 40 years before the repubs lied and cheated their way into power.
January 8th, 2008 at 4:19 pmI suppose that if one was to be critical of Hillary it would have nothing to do with sexism eh Manslaght?
Comment by dbadass — January 8, 2008 @ 4:07 pm
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January 8th, 2008 at 4:22 pmI think Condi spent quite a bit of time tutoring the Chimp, in fact. I don’t think she did a very good job of that, either.
Comment by Starve-A-Bush_Feed-A-Beaver — January 8, 2008 @ 3:15 pm
I concur, but, can you imagine if she had NOT tutored him?!
p.s. I guess she never got around to the differences between Sunnis & Shiites!
January 8th, 2008 at 4:25 pmBilbo; sorry, but I do have my principles. Resign in protest and denounce the administration is what I would have done.
January 8th, 2008 at 4:26 pmI think people see Hillary as asexual.
Comment by Manslagt — January 8, 2008 @ 4:25 pm
I have no interest in ranking the sexuality of these two woman but I would be a bit concerned if you believe that most find Hillary asexual but apparantly you think that Dr. Rice is thought of as sexual. Maybe this is just a cop out for the obvious dichotomy of your thinking relative to the issue of critical analysis of each's accomplishments and job performance
January 8th, 2008 at 4:29 pm“I think Condi spent quite a bit of time tutoring the Chimp, in fact. I don’t think she did a very good job of that, either.â€
I don’t believe Rice has tutored Obama.
Comment by Manslagt — January 8, 2008 @ 4:27 pm
If this is indeed the racist shit it appears to be you are gonna get hammered worse the you usually do and to date I have never seen you be anything but destroyed around here
January 8th, 2008 at 4:32 pmFred:
“we don’t answer kool aid drinking trolls.â€
Especially when you cannot refute what a “troll†has written.
Comment by Manslagt
Why do you hate America. Please explain that to us.
January 8th, 2008 at 4:37 pmOk Condi's not a failure, just completely ineffective.
January 8th, 2008 at 4:40 pmI love American. However, I dislike ignorant moonbats like you.
Comment by Manslagt
No you don't. You hate America you kool aid drinking moron. Just please tell us why?
January 8th, 2008 at 4:42 pmManslagt
January 8th, 2008 at 4:45 pmYou did say that we were unpatriotic because we called bush and cheny war criminals and said they should be tried for war crimes and hung until they were dead didn't you?
Fred:
You’re an ignorant fool.
Comment by Manslagt
Oh, I'm so hurt by that. 112 you even called us traitors for not supporting the chimp in chief blindly didn't you?
January 8th, 2008 at 4:48 pmWhere are you manslop
January 8th, 2008 at 4:48 pmComment by Manslagt — January 8, 2008 @ 4:43 pm
That's pretty easy. Most informed people know that the Chimp reference to Mr. Bush has been around for quite some time and is related to his annoying smirks and facial expressions which many comics have latched onto. Also it is a pretty much no brainer that linking a person of African descent to other primates has been a historic racially derogatory remark. Whereas there has been no comic link between Mr. Obama and chimpanzees, one can only assume your comment for what it appears to be.
January 8th, 2008 at 4:49 pmcome on manslop, last night you wanted to give me you peck specs so I would be scared of you........what did you say you were.....a young barry bonds but you do take the steroids.......I can just imagine.
January 8th, 2008 at 4:50 pmI don’t know. With his ears, Obama looks more like a chimpanzee than Bush does. I suppose you also think it was racist of Pearl S. Buck to describe characters in “The Good Earth†as having simian features.
Comment by Manslagt — January 8, 2008 @ 4:54 pm
No not really based upon the total difference in the context as well as the norms of the time. If you want me to believe there was no racial intent in the comment feel free to explain your intent.
January 8th, 2008 at 4:58 pmI don’t know. With his ears, Obama looks more like a chimpanzee than Bush does. I suppose you also think it was racist of Pearl S. Buck to describe characters in “The Good Earth†as having simian features.
Comment by Manslagt
Its bushs face that looks just like a chimp...simian like if you will.
January 8th, 2008 at 5:03 pmWow, Mannyslag. You're really skating on thin racist ice, aren't you...?
January 8th, 2008 at 5:19 pmManslagt,
Steroids make the weenie shrivel.
January 8th, 2008 at 5:21 pmHe's a republican...they are proud of their racism, sexism, etc.
January 8th, 2008 at 5:21 pmComment by Manslagt — January 8, 2008 @ 5:15 pm
And this just came to you? If you want to pursue your primate comparisions may I suggest that Mr. Bush is far more chimp like. If you need a primate for Mr. Obama, I think the bonobo would be far more appropriate and for reasons which have nothing to do with physical appearances
January 8th, 2008 at 5:23 pmWow, Mannyslag. You’re really skating on thin racist ice, aren’t you…?
Comment by Leftside Annie — January 8, 2008 @ 5:19 pm
Nah, he's fallen in. Republicans have racism in their platform as a requirement. Their ability to ignore Strom Thurmond's love child is a perfect example of their rank hypocrisy and lack of evolution. Simian is a good word for Republicans, based on behavior rather than appearance.
January 8th, 2008 at 5:24 pmPerhaps it's the shape of bush's head, or the skinny neck with the ears, I'm not sure. It's either Alfred E. Neuman or a chimpanzee, but there's a resemblence there.
January 8th, 2008 at 6:02 pm18% SD officials support Rice? Who are these insane people?
January 8th, 2008 at 6:43 pmWe don't need no candy-ass diplomats in Iraq. Diplomacy in this administration is a joke anyway. We ought to lay-off thousands of these sponges and put the money where it would do the most good. Diplomats in Iraq...ha, ha, ha, ha, boy that's a good one.
January 9th, 2008 at 10:26 pm