Comments on: Pentagon Inspector General Refuses To Probe KBR Rape Case http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/ Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:15:38 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: shades59901 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/comment-page-2/#comment-4237050 shades59901 Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:43:41 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/#comment-4237050 Start at the Top Impeach Cheney....Pelosi...and the rest of them....talk about selling out of America...R any of these morons running for President going to do anything what they say...NO.....WAKE UP PEOPLE Start at the Top Impeach Cheney….Pelosi…and the rest of them….talk about selling out of America…R any of these morons running for President going to do anything what they say…NO…..WAKE UP PEOPLE

]]> By: NoOneYouKnow http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/comment-page-2/#comment-4222410 NoOneYouKnow Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:31:16 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/#comment-4222410 I guess "crime" doesn't mean much when there's no one who will enforce the law. Maybe it's up to us... I guess “crime” doesn’t mean much when there’s no one who will enforce the law. Maybe it’s up to us…

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/comment-page-2/#comment-4221438 Lefty Patriot Wed, 09 Jan 2008 01:22:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/#comment-4221438 I bet if Bill Clinton was banging(raping) Juanita Broderick, you wouldn’t give a shi*… Wait, he already did that, and nobody on the left gave a shi*…. Patriot my ass! Comment by Southern Man — January 8, 2008 @ 4:10 pm Huh, case thrown out for lack of evidence, no witnesses, a Repig operative, yeah, that's a good one to keep afloat, sm, like one of your turds. maybe you should eat it. I bet if Bill Clinton was banging(raping) Juanita Broderick, you wouldn’t give a shi*… Wait, he already did that, and nobody on the left gave a shi*….

Patriot my ass!

Comment by Southern Man — January 8, 2008 @ 4:10 pm

Huh, case thrown out for lack of evidence, no witnesses, a Repig operative, yeah, that’s a good one to keep afloat, sm, like one of your turds. maybe you should eat it.

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/comment-page-1/#comment-4221294 Marie Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:45:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/#comment-4221294 This is unacceptable. It is outrageous. This is beyond Tailhook, where demotions occurred - this is criminal. Our own people attacked one of our own, and it is going to be allowed to slip away. We hired KBR and yet no one is responsible. This would be like the character of Jack Nicholson winning in the legal battle with Cruise and Moore. This is unacceptable. It is outrageous.
This is beyond Tailhook, where demotions occurred – this is criminal. Our own people attacked one of our own, and it is going to be allowed to slip away. We hired KBR and yet no one is responsible.
This would be like the character of Jack Nicholson winning in the legal battle with Cruise and Moore.

]]> By: Keith H. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/comment-page-1/#comment-4220877 Keith H. Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:03:55 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/#comment-4220877 Hey, when you've led an attack on your own country. When you've subsequently lied your country into war. When you've killed thousands of innocent people from your own country and hundreds of thousands of innocent people in the country that you've illegally invaded. What's a little rape . . right ? Hey, when you’ve led an attack on your own country.
When you’ve subsequently lied your country into war.
When you’ve killed thousands of innocent people from your own country
and hundreds of thousands of innocent people in the country that you’ve
illegally invaded.
What’s a little rape . . right ?

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/comment-page-1/#comment-4220849 RUCerious Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:44:26 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/#comment-4220849 The excuse given by the Pentagon IG is also BS. If he has jurisdiction, it doesn't matter a flop whether another agency is investigating. If they want to know more about the how, why, who, when and where, all they have to do is investigate. They are interested in how the Army doctor handed off the rape kit, so why not keep going? The excuse given by the Pentagon IG is also BS. If he has jurisdiction, it doesn’t matter a flop whether another agency is investigating.
If they want to know more about the how, why, who, when and where, all they have to do is investigate.
They are interested in how the Army doctor handed off the rape kit, so why not keep going?

]]> By: ForTruth http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/comment-page-1/#comment-4220828 ForTruth Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:34:36 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/#comment-4220828 This is one more reason why going to war should be avoided at all costs. Because crap like this just goes with the territory. War is hell, that's why we shouldn't do it. No I don't think it was worth it. This is one more reason why going to war should be avoided at all costs. Because crap like this just goes with the territory. War is hell, that’s why we shouldn’t do it. No I don’t think it was worth it.

]]> By: robbez_92107 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/comment-page-1/#comment-4220817 robbez_92107 Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:20:39 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/#comment-4220817 A troll free thread? Can it be? A troll free thread? Can it be?

]]> By: judyinnm http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/comment-page-1/#comment-4220765 judyinnm Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:15 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/#comment-4220765 Max-1 - I didn't say it was acceptable. But to the the right wingers, yes that does make it acceptable. Kinda like the fact that we have an all volunteer military somehow diminishes the tragedy of their death or injury. Max-1 – I didn’t say it was acceptable.

But to the the right wingers, yes that does make it acceptable. Kinda like the fact that we have an all volunteer military somehow diminishes the tragedy of their death or injury.

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/comment-page-1/#comment-4220751 RUCerious Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:29:20 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/#comment-4220751 lefty ~ got it. lefty ~ got it.

]]> By: lefty http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/comment-page-1/#comment-4220747 lefty Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:28:22 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/#comment-4220747 <em>Comment by RUCerious</em> The party of moral clarity needs 150 words to explain why this girl gets no justice. THAT is my point. Comment by RUCerious

The party of moral clarity needs 150 words to explain why this girl gets no justice. THAT is my point.

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/comment-page-1/#comment-4220735 RUCerious Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:18:31 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/#comment-4220735 JMOHR, thanks for that clarification. I knew I was missing something. JMOHR, thanks for that clarification. I knew I was missing something.

]]> By: JMOHR http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/comment-page-1/#comment-4220726 JMOHR Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:13:54 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/#comment-4220726 A lot depends upon whether KBR was employed by the military or State Dept. The Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act of 2000 gives the US jurisdiction over felonies committed by contractors or their employees while employed by or accompanying the military overseas. It was amended in 2005 to extend coverage to contractors and their employees or any other administrative/provisional authority supporting the military mission. Additionally, the Defense Appropriations Act of 2007 extended UCMJ jurisdiction over contractors accompanying or deployed with the military. The attack took place in the Green Zone. Even if employed by the State Department, I believe that one could find that participating in the defense of the Green Zone would be a military mission just as the defense of any embassy or consulate has traditionally fallen to the military. The real issue here is one of willingness to assume responsibility. The Republicans are just following their usual instincts. One, shift money to the contractors by giving the jobs that should be done by the military (one reason is because of the discipline necessary in a war zone and the need to exempt personnel from local criminal jurisdiction that may not come close to what we expect in the United States); second, exempt the contractors and their employees from local jurisdiction; and third, wash their hands of responsibility for people. Just as they said of our soldiers, AT LEAST THEY ARE NOT DRAFTEES, they will say of civilian contractors THEY SIGNED UP FOR THIS OF THEIR OWN VOLITION, IT IS NOT OUR PROBLEM. A lot depends upon whether KBR was employed by the military or State Dept. The Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act of 2000 gives the US jurisdiction over felonies committed by contractors or their employees while employed by or accompanying the military overseas. It was amended in 2005 to extend coverage to contractors and their employees or any other administrative/provisional authority supporting the military mission. Additionally, the Defense Appropriations Act of 2007 extended UCMJ jurisdiction over contractors accompanying or deployed with the military.

The attack took place in the Green Zone. Even if employed by the State Department, I believe that one could find that participating in the defense of the Green Zone would be a military mission just as the defense of any embassy or consulate has traditionally fallen to the military.

The real issue here is one of willingness to assume responsibility. The Republicans are just following their usual instincts. One, shift money to the contractors by giving the jobs that should be done by the military (one reason is because of the discipline necessary in a war zone and the need to exempt personnel from local criminal jurisdiction that may not come close to what we expect in the United States); second, exempt the contractors and their employees from local jurisdiction; and third, wash their hands of responsibility for people. Just as they said of our soldiers, AT LEAST THEY ARE NOT DRAFTEES, they will say of civilian contractors THEY SIGNED UP FOR THIS OF THEIR OWN VOLITION, IT IS NOT OUR PROBLEM.

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/comment-page-1/#comment-4220710 RUCerious Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:05:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/#comment-4220710 RUCerious, ARE YOU SERIOUS? Comment by lefty — January 8, 2008 @ 1:50 pm Absolutely. These were civilian employees, under the jurisdiction of the State Department. In no way am I condining the actions of the KBR employees, company, or trying to find a cop out for them. If this administration had one ounce of integrity they'd be doing everything they could to investigate, charge, and bring the perps to justice. It is evident that they aren't. But that doesn't mean the Pentagon should be investigating this, does it? There's only one other issue I hadn't taken into consideration. Did it happen on a military post? If so, then that might open the door for a Pentagon investigation. RUCerious,

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

Comment by lefty — January 8, 2008 @ 1:50 pm

Absolutely. These were civilian employees, under the jurisdiction of the State Department.

In no way am I condining the actions of the KBR employees, company, or trying to find a cop out for them.

If this administration had one ounce of integrity they’d be doing everything they could to investigate, charge, and bring the perps to justice.
It is evident that they aren’t.
But that doesn’t mean the Pentagon should be investigating this, does it?
There’s only one other issue I hadn’t taken into consideration.
Did it happen on a military post? If so, then that might open the door for a Pentagon investigation.

]]> By: missmolly http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/comment-page-1/#comment-4220705 missmolly Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:02:38 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/#comment-4220705 Supposedly all KBR employees signed an agreement to go to arbitration on any dispute they have with KBR. I cannot, for the life of me, see how anyone could call Rape a “dispute”. Rape is a crime and should be prosecuted. Comment by bilbobaggins — January 8, 2008 @ 1:04 pm Kind of makes you wonder how much more awful the situation would be if it was murder instead of rape. The victim wouldn't be able to go to arbritration, so I imagine no crime would have been committed -- officially. Supposedly all KBR employees signed an agreement to go to arbitration on any dispute they have with KBR. I cannot, for the life of me, see how anyone could call Rape a “dispute”. Rape is a crime and should be prosecuted.

Comment by bilbobaggins — January 8, 2008 @ 1:04 pm

Kind of makes you wonder how much more awful the situation would be if it was murder instead of rape. The victim wouldn’t be able to go to arbritration, so I imagine no crime would have been committed — officially.

]]> By: missmolly http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/comment-page-1/#comment-4220698 missmolly Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:00:06 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/#comment-4220698 Comment by RUCerious — January 8, 2008 @ 1:46 pm Ah -- you're right. That part of my brain which held the fact that KBR and other contractors were there at the pleasure of the State Department and not the DoD was obviously out to lunch. Therefore, the UCMJ would be completely irrelevant. Comment by RUCerious — January 8, 2008 @ 1:46 pm

Ah — you’re right. That part of my brain which held the fact that KBR and other contractors were there at the pleasure of the State Department and not the DoD was obviously out to lunch. Therefore, the UCMJ would be completely irrelevant.

]]> By: theswan http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/comment-page-1/#comment-4220697 theswan Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:59:53 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/#comment-4220697 Bushies don't hold women in high esteem. Women only hold a minority rank in their point of view. Might you say be used. No questions asked. No whistleblowers allowed. Gang rape? Silence. Everyone shut your mouth. Remember it didn't happen. Bushies don’t hold women in high esteem. Women only hold a minority rank in their point of view. Might you say be used.
No questions asked. No whistleblowers allowed. Gang rape? Silence. Everyone shut your mouth. Remember it didn’t happen.

]]> By: Doc Rock http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/comment-page-1/#comment-4220692 Doc Rock Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:57:19 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/#comment-4220692 Now we know that DoD is doing nothing and the DoJ is stonewalling--the question is does anyone in Congress have the gumption to play hardball or will they all be accessories after the fact?! Now we know that DoD is doing nothing and the DoJ is stonewalling–the question is does anyone in Congress have the gumption to play hardball or will they all be accessories after the fact?!

]]> By: lefty http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/comment-page-1/#comment-4220685 lefty Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:52:53 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/#comment-4220685 I bet if KBR employees were banging Terry Schiavo's unconscious body you'd give a sh!t... I bet if KBR employees were banging Terry Schiavo’s unconscious body you’d give a sh!t…

]]> By: lefty http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/comment-page-1/#comment-4220676 lefty Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:50:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/08/dod-not-investigate-kbr/#comment-4220676 RUCerious, ARE YOU SERIOUS? RUCerious,

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

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