Giuliani invokes 9/11 when asked about Hillary’s tears.
On MSNBC’s Morning Joe, Rudy Giuliani discussed Hillary Clinton’s “emotional moment.” “This is not something I would judge anyone on,” Giuliani said. He then quickly slipped in a reference to 9/11, pointing out that it was impossible for him not to feel emotion then:
The reality is, if you look at me, September 11 — the funerals, the memorial services — there were times in which it was impossible not to feel the emotion.
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9iu1ian1 needs to stfu already.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:32 amJudy will invoke 9/11 at the drop of a hat forever (and he’s the one who drops the hat).
January 8th, 2008 at 10:32 amUnconscious self parody - thy name is Rudy.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:33 amThe reality is, if you look at me, September 11 — the funerals, the memorial services — there were times in which it was impossible not to feel the emotion.
…but yet, somehow I managed it, and here I am today, your trusty 9/11 whore.
Thank you, thank you very much…
January 8th, 2008 at 10:36 amI’ve heard of one trick ponies, but JulieAnnie, really, come on.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:36 amAnd, the followup question, regarding the hot dog stand where he bought lunch, JulieAnnie replied “It’s the 9/11 finest Kosher 9/11 hot dog this side of 911 E. Grand St.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:37 amDid he buy 9/11 on Ebay? He acts like he owns the tragedy.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:38 amThis guy is a F-CKING CLOWN!
It truly is Repugnicant magic that turns all things (they’ve done) negative into a positive.
What amazes me is the ease at which they seem to do it and how blindly their sheeple follow them.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:39 amInterviewer: Rudy, why is 10 scared?
January 8th, 2008 at 10:39 amRudy: Because 7 ate 9…11! Only I can stop the islamofacist numbers that are out to kill us because they hate our freedoms!
It is very emotional.
I start to cry whenever I see Rudy on TV.
(and I don’t mean the movie about the Notre Dame football player.)
January 8th, 2008 at 10:40 amHAHAHAHA….TRUE TO FORM RUDY
THANKS FOR BEING YOU.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:41 amI fully expect him to even throw a 9/11 reference into his speech when he drops out of the race.
He has no shame.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:42 amI went to the Deli for lunch yesterday, September 11th. I got a BLT, September 11th, and a coke, September 11th. Then I walked back to my office and ate it, September 11th.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:44 amHmmmm….Even I am beginning to agree that Rudy is really is becoming — as RUCerious put it — a bit of a one-trick pony.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:44 amNine…
Eleven…
And that’s why you should vote for me.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:45 amA new game, the talk like Guiliani game!
As president, 9/11, I shall strive, 9/11, to make 9/11 sure that, 9/11 people stop, 9/11, abusing 9/11.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:49 amIn NH he’s polling between 9 and 11 percent… Coincidence? I think NOT!
January 8th, 2008 at 10:50 amOh how I wish SNL was still in production. I think the dialog would sound a lot like #’s 13 & 16.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:52 amGiuliani won nothing so far….regardless of the big media hype ,he is still behind Ron Paul…
January 8th, 2008 at 10:54 amHe is counting on big Florida win on 29th of Jan…but he might not be in the race when Florida time arrives…becuase there are still three states (Michigan on 12th, Nevada on the 19th,and S.Carolina on the 26th) of this month for him to show good results.
His 9/11 machismo might not be a good seller after all.
I know I’m not nearly the first person to suggest this, but it really seems like he’s suffering from a 9/11-based PTSD. I’m not trying to be snarky about it, I honestly think, even if he weren’t running for President - even if he never worked another day in his life - he would be incapable at this point to not talk about 9/11, nor be able to stop thinking about 9/11, or let the events of 9/11 actively dictate the decisions he makes. It’s consuming him like an addiction. Maybe he’s currently a functioning addict, the way an alcoholic might still be able to do everything he or she needs to do in the course of a day whilst being three sheets to the wind. But sooner or later that kind of behavior becomes ALL-consuming. It’s a really good thing his campaign is tanking, for all sorts of reasons, but not least of which is that it would’ve sucked for him to have been in the White House the day he cracked.
Because Fox News loves to be a pack of a-holes and talk about just HOW SCREWED we would’ve been had Gore been in the White House on 9/11 (”he would’ve had a town hall meeting to talk about our FEELINGS while Saddam & Osama used remote controls to fly drone aircraft into the Capitol building and the mall of YOUR HOMETOWN!!!”), let me turn the tables and think about a world where Rudy decided not to run for President until 2012. If he taken some time to rest, reflect on the events of the 21st century thus far, rejuvenate, become tan rested and ready. Despite his Gestapo-like tactics with the homeless during his stint as mayor, he was incredibly gay-friendly and pro-choice. Taking a step back, he might’ve realized just how mangled this war had been handled. He might’ve realized he, like all of us, had been misled into believing Saddam was in cahoots with al Queda. He might’ve taken responsibility for the fustercluck that was the emergency radio fiasco, using it as a springboard to social activism, in an attempt to correct the course of his personal history and its effect on all of our history. Who knows? He might’ve let his socially liberal side bring him all the way over into the light.
Probably not. But it could’ve happened. But it never will now. Any potential Rudy may have once had to be an effective leader is long long gone. All we are left with is Disney on 42nd Street & human remains in landfills.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:55 amRu - 9/11 - dy
The man has no conscience or morality. He’s the worst of the GOP pack, but watch out for Huckabee. Are Americans that stupid? Maybe.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:57 amWhat else would one expect from Ghouliani?
He’s been using the 9/11 dead as political pawns since, well… 9/11. I wonder if years from now, when he’s in some retirement home, will he blame 9/11 for his dirty diapers?
January 8th, 2008 at 11:01 amRudy’s Tears???
January 8th, 2008 at 11:02 amHe is just preparing the public for his next tears - to be dropped when it becomes final that he won’t be the Rep nominee…
RealClearPolitics has just revealed that Hill’reh can still steal the nomination from Obama by using delegate / super delegate rules in her favor:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ horseraceblog/ 2008/ 01/ clintons_plan_b.html
Obama needs to start winning his races by double digits to prevent her from doing that.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:02 am“…if you look at me, September 11…”
and there it is - he has officially changed his name to
“septemter 11″…
…
on another subject, check this out and pass it around:
Andy Cobb and company, “Run Mitt Run!â€
January 8th, 2008 at 11:04 amhttp://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/07/open-thread-684/
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By the way, the latest death count from Iraq:
January 8th, 2008 at 11:05 am3(911).
John Boehner
January 8th, 2008 at 11:06 amJebus. It’d be much BIGGER news if Rudy didn’t invoke 9/11.
*eyeroll*
January 8th, 2008 at 11:08 amHaha, awful man. I was actually sent 2 cartoons today ripping it out of his 9/11 plugging - funny stuff :)
http://www.aniboom.com/Player.aspx?v=134497
January 8th, 2008 at 11:10 amhttp://www.aniboom.com/Player.aspx?v=90164
Can’t wait for some glazed eye college kid to ask Rudy the infamous Clinton question:
College Kid: Hey Rudy — boxers or briefs?
Rudy: Briefs! If I’d worn boxers on 9/11 I’d have had trouser chili dribbling down my pantleg because I was shitting my pants in fear.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:12 amWhenever I read of Giuliani’s “9/11″ tic, it makes me think of Kevin Nealon doing those “subliminal suggestion” commercials on TBS.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:13 amDesperate.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:15 amA noun, a verb, 911.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:15 am“…if you look at me, September 11…â€
and there it is - he has officially changed his name to
“septemter 11″…
@ 24
Bingo.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:16 amHmmmm….Even I am beginning to agree that Rudy is really is becoming — as RUCerious put it — a bit of a one-trick pony.
Comment by Exley
Gee, how observant of you. Are you also beginning to see that the sky is up and water is wet?
January 8th, 2008 at 11:16 am…it really seems like he’s suffering from a 9/11-based PTSD.
Comment by slappy magoo
No, he’s trying to give the voters a 9/11-based PTSD.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:18 am#20, it’s not PTSD. He’s like a small child who discovered he can get attention by saying a naughty word without really understanding, in any deep sense, what the naughty word means.
But he loves the attention he gets by shouting it all the time.
Basically, he’s Bart Simpson.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:23 am.
Is he also including the rescue workers funerals?
…
NOT!
.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:24 amHas Rudy replaced his “I-heart-NY” bumper sticker with “I-heart-911″ yet so he can be in full campaign mode nationally?
January 8th, 2008 at 11:26 amForgive me, but …
Why would you ask one candidate about another’s emotional display???
There is really no legitimate reason to do so. This is just another pathetic example of the press being the ‘actor’ and not the ‘camera’.
We need a press which gives us the FACTS and doesn’t CREATE THE STORY.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:29 amI fully expect him to even throw a 9/11 reference into his speech when he drops out of the race.
He has no shame.
Comment by barfly — January 8, 2008 @ 10:42 am
Considering how he brought it up after the Iowa results…
‘He flatlined in Iowa and he’s struggling in New Hampshire, but Rudy Giuliani shook off the early-state blues Thursday as only he can.
“None of this worries me - Sept. 11, there were times I was worried,†Giuliani said.’
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/ archives/ 2008/ 01/ giuliani_shrugs_off_iowa_with_911_reference/
January 8th, 2008 at 11:30 amJulie-Annie recalls the one time he managed to feel an emotion. Never felt one regarding his family and his son now did he.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:31 amSuddenly Hillary’s tears don’t look quite so bad — compared to this guy who probably can’t even brush his teeth without finding some way to tie it to 9/11.
Has anybody made a drinking game out of Rudy’s stump speeches? Nah — everybody would get soused way too quickly.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:31 amPeterW, sorry, I respectfully disagree. Maybe if he weren’t running for President, if he was someone like Rush or Hannity, living to please the coarsest members of the base just by pissing off those pesky liberals, I’d be more inclined to agree. But he seems to keep using 9/11 in an attempt to resonate with voters. He’s trying to swing people to his way of thinking. He’s pissing off liberals, moderates, anyone with a conscience, with his 9/11-all-day-every-day message. But he’s not wooing Republicans with it. All the research shows he’s floundering by constantly bringing up 9/11. And he still brings up 9/11. He just…can’t…help it. Why? Is it because it’s the only message he really has as a politician, that he thought he could run on a platform of fear and that would be enough, and now that it’s not working, there’s nothing to differentiate him from the pack without labeling him too-liberal-for-the-GOP?
Or is it something more deeply-rooted? Psychological? Pathological? Like someone who can’t stop reliving one particular moment, either because it was traumatic (it was hellish day to see, let alone experience), OR because it was DEFINING (he will never again be as popular as he was that day, and like Al Bundy reliving his 4-touchdown high school football game, he can’t help but want to remember the time he was amongst the most-loved/liked/respected men on the planet)?
January 8th, 2008 at 11:32 amI think Rudy’s reflexive use of 9/11 is a sign of his psychopathology. 9/11 is the biggest, strongest, prettiest facade he has, so he throws it up at every opportunity. Behind it is a very unpleasant little man.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:34 amO. Bigfoot,
Your pants are soaked with piss man.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:40 amThe radical Islamic attack on America which occured on 9/11/01 needs to be invoked loudly, and often.
A lot of people would like to either forget, have forgotten, or deny, that 9/11 ever happened.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 8, 2008 @ 11:39 am
A lot of people deny that the WTC came down? You truly are living on another planet, Bigfoot.
But simply repeating the phrase over and over does nothing, and it’s just Rudy’s way of reminding people of the coincidence that he happened to be the mayor of NY at the time. He probably doesn’t want to remind them that he was also responsible for siting the emergency respond headquarters in one of the buildings that was destroyed, or that he hadn’t bothered to fix the problem of emergency systems lack of interoperability. But apparently people like you don’t care about the details, you just like your authoritarian leaders who talk a good talk.
Fortunately, most people in the country seem a little more observant than you.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:53 am“A lot of people would like to either forget, have forgotten, or deny, that 9/11 ever happened.”
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 8, 2008 @ 11:39 am
You mean like, “there’s a poster out west… wanted dead or alive… smoke ‘em out… Gee, I don’t really think about him much anymore…” Chimpy has?
Sheesh…
Now go get your diaper changed and let the adults talk.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:55 amEvery day, 25,000 kids die around the world from avoidable causes. 9/11 is just another day for thousands around the world.
Buy some balls, Bigfoot.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:55 am#44, you’re forgetting his lecture circuit, which is a 9/11 echo chamber. He’s been conditioned for several years to think that 9/11 is all you need to say to get approval (and the big bucks) - but only because the audiences coming to see him are coming precisely because that resonates with him.
Suddenly, he’s out in a general audience for whom that doesn’t play, but it’s the only trick he knows. He probably doesn’t even realize why.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:55 amI would be pretty certain that Guliani would do everything in his power to make sure it does not happen again.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 8, 2008 @ 11:39 am
Including taking what ever scraps of the constitution left remaining after chimpy is gone and shred them further…
January 8th, 2008 at 11:59 amIf 911 changes everything in our American system of government, justice, and social interaction then Osama Bin Laden might as well become our President since that was his vision and goal.
And if 911 changes everything, perhaps O. Bigfoot and his troll friends should change their underwear.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:01 pmI just want to know how 9-11 happened on the watch of:
Republican president
Republican vice president
Republican House
Republican Senate
Republican mayor
And yet they all still pull out the terrorist bogeyman card.
How did that happen? I mean, you guys were in charge.
And you blew it.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:02 pmOne of the earliest lessons parents teach their children is that “it’s NOT all about you.”
Clearly, campaigning candidates must focus a little more on themselves than is naturally tolerated, but Rudy is certifiable.
How much more impressive we find those candidates who include a modicum of self-deprecation, of compassion, and of humor — along with knowledge and wisdom — in their observations/answers.
In the same way Rudy has adopted the laugh-it-off response when challenged on his track record, Americans should chuckle — or hold up their hands with fingers tallying the count — each time he inserts “9/11″ into each answer.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:03 pmIncluding taking what ever scraps of the constitution left remaining after chimpy is gone and shred them further…
Comment by TheRadicalRightisRadicallyWrong — January 8, 2008 @ 11:59 am
If Bush could get rid of that Fourth Amendment once and for all he could catch every bad guy in the world, RRRW.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:04 pmComment by O. Bigfoot — January 8, 2008 @ 11:39 am
I responded to “Southern Man” yesterday on this very issue, when he asked me why I thought that people no longer cared about 9/11. I gave him one of my rather long-winded replies, and I’ll spare everybody by not reposting it (for those of you who are masochists, you can go to the thread about the U.S. ships being harrassed by Iranian ships — post number 334).
One of the points I made in my response to him was that there are far more grave threats to us than terrorism. As an example, I pointed out drunk driving. About six times more people in the United States were killed as a result of drunk driving than were killed by terrorists in the year 2001. For 2002, the number was many thousands of times more, since we didn’t have a whole lot killed by terrorists that year. And the problem should be even scarier to us because the culprits are our own people, not foreigners.
Yet, what would your reaction be if we had a presidential candidate whose single issue was drunk driving? If he managed to work “drunk driving” into every one of his sentences? Would you support him in his mission to mitigate this very serious and obvious threat to our safety?
Let me rephrase your post, and you tell me if this is something you would stand behind:
“The problem of drunk driving needs to be invoked loudly, and often.
“A lot of people would like to either forget, have forgotten, or deny, that drunk driving ever occurs.
“Well, it does, that is historical fact. And the elements of binge drinking, alcoholism, and our culture of drinking glamour which causes it still exists. Regardless of who wins the Presidency, we either stay on the offensive against drunk driving, or it will continue to cause widespread fatalities.
“I’m not a Guliani supporter, but Guliani has seen the effects of drunk driving happen all around him, and I am certain he does not want it to continue. As President, I would be pretty certain that Guliani would do everything in his power to stop this serious threat to our safety.”
Bigfoot — my position is that there’s a difference between remembering a tragic event in our history with the respect it deserves and politicizing it, which only cheapens it. Nobody wants to be apathetic about a true threat to our safety, but we should be able to keep our citizens safe without invading countries who haven’t attacked us and attempting to keep American citizens in a perpetual state of fear.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:06 pmSo, here’s O.Bigfoot’s version of logical argument:
“A lot of people would like to either forget, have forgotten, or deny, that 9/11 ever happened.”
“So I suppose you deny that Pearl Harbor happened also?”
Question: Has anyone ever heard or seen written the opinion of anyone that 911 or Pearl Harbor did not happen or that we should just forget them as historical events? Of course not. O. Bigfoot just does a lot of “supposing”. Perhaps a “suppository” would help clear up that “supposing” problem.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:07 pmO Pigfoot, Rudy might do everything in his power to prevent another 9/11, but think about how much worse 9/11 was because of Rudy: he put NYC’s emergency center twenty stories up in the WTC (the previous terrorist attack target), he forced a failed radio system on the fire department and a system that didn’t allow communication between the fire and police departments, he didn’t mandate protective gear for rescuers, etc. etc.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:07 pmRudy’s an incompetent, corrupt, evil bozo. His “best” to prevent another 9/11 probably wouldn’t be much better than Bush’s best, which has been not good at all.
I’m not a Guliani supporter, but Guliani was there, he saw it happen all around him, and I am certain he does not want it to happen again. As President, I would be pretty certain that Guliani would do everything in his power to make sure it does not happen again.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 8, 2008 @ 11:39 am
Giuliani worked hand-in-hand with Bush to cause the maximum damage that could be caused. Giuliani killed more firemen than Al Qaeda. Those are facts even bigfoot can’t fix.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:09 pm59 Comment by missmolly — January 8, 2008 @ 12:06 pm
Very well said, as usual.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:09 pm#56, I believe it was still a Dem Senate, after Jeffords’ switch. But otherwise, yeah.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:09 pmThis Family Guy clip really nails it:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/ 2007/ 05/ 14/ family-guy-lois-griffin-adopts-republican-talking-points/
January 8th, 2008 at 12:10 pmComment by Frosty Cupcake — January 8, 2008 @ 12:02 pm
Even though Republicans were in charge of every entity that had anything to do with the system, they have blamed it all on Bill Clinton.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:11 pmComment by O. Bigfoot
I too was there. I was in the subway at the WTC when the attack happened. And yet I am sickened by Guiliani’s exploitation of the fear and pain that day caused. I am also not afraid to take the subway and I resent anyone who tells me how afraid I should be.
YOU conservatives pissing in your pants over 9-11 are the pu$$ies here, not me. I AM NOT AFRAID and you have no right to tell me I have to give up my rights as GUARANTEED to me in the Constitution just because you are cowards and are consumed with chickensh!t fear.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:15 pmCritisizing Guliani for having an emotional response to the death and destruction he saw around him on 9/11 and in it’s aftermath is disingenuous.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 8, 2008 @ 12:11 pm
It would be disingenuous, if it were true. Since, no one is making that criticism, then it is you who is being disingenuous (again).
January 8th, 2008 at 12:16 pmNow things have changed.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
That’s true. Now buildings fall even when they are not hit.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:16 pmBigfoot — my position is that there’s a difference between remembering a tragic event in our history with the respect it deserves and politicizing it, which only cheapens it. Nobody wants to be apathetic about a true threat to our safety, but we should be able to keep our citizens safe without invading countries who haven’t attacked us and attempting to keep American citizens in a perpetual state of fear.
Comment by missmolly — January 8, 2008 @ 12:06 pm
Winner, best post of the WEEK! Your Logic is irrefutable! Unfortunately, any one that follows this administration or sticks up for RU9/11DY has no ability to follow logic.
I salute you!
January 8th, 2008 at 12:17 pmRudy says “911″ after every other word. But even when he doesn’t speak, when he orgasms for example or grunts on the toilet, Rudy shouts “911, 911″.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:18 pmCritisizing Guliani for having an emotional response to the death and destruction he saw around him on 9/11 and in it’s aftermath is disingenuous.
Hillary was crying for herself, and herself only.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 8, 2008 @ 12:11 pm
You can’t read at all, can you. The criticism of Rudy isn’t for having an emotional reaction but for constantly using 9/11 as a talking point regardless of the subject at hand. He has 9/11 Tourettes.
Your other excuses for his incompetence (and the laughable remark that Rudy isn’t authoritarian; you REALLY need to get out more) simply don’t hold up to scrutiny. Rudy overrode the recommendations that the response center not be located in the WTC, so obviously someone (a lot of them) considered it highly unsuitable whether or not the building could be brought down. Downtown Manhattan? Oh, brilliant choice. Ditto your ridiculous assessment of the radio issue, which was a long-standing LONG-STANDING problem and has nothing to do with public frequencies. It would have cost money to fix, Bigfoot, but the reality of the problem was not something that just happened to surface after 9/11. Again, you need to get out of the woods once in awhile. Your ignorance of urban issues is enormous.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:20 pmAfter all, it had been bombed once before with relatively minimal damage, and when it was built, no one figured a fuel laden airliner would ever hit it.
bigshit
actually, that was a part of the design. You really should learn to do some research instead of pulling falsities out of your ass. y8our ignorance of history is monumental. you just come here to make a fool of yourself, don’t you?
January 8th, 2008 at 12:21 pmComment by missmolly
Well said. Just tell them what I said, that they have no right to demand that I give up my rights under the Constitution to make THEM feel safe. None.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:21 pmI have repeatedly stated that I’m not a Guliani supporter. And Guliani is no authoritarian, but he was a good mayor of New York, and would make a capable President, especially when compared with the remaining Democrat field of “do nothings†and political hacks.
How the hell can you compare what people would do if they were president? And then you claim the “details” are irrelevent!!!!!! For the love of humanity - if he paid attention to the details there would be more people alive today - apparently Guiliani WAS the DO NOTHING mayor. UUUGGGHHH your stupid.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:21 pmbigfoot is a fan of mass-murderers and psychopaths. he’s too big a coward to actually be one, but he does worship our little Hitler and Mussolini wannabes.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:23 pmComment by missmolly — January 8, 2008 @ 12:06 pm
missmolly - I was going to refer interested readers to your post from yesterday because it was an excellent post (as usual). Yes, 9-11 has been “cheapened and exploited”. And to think of how much goodwill the event initially triggered around the world. All squandered.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:29 pmComment by O. Bigfoot
I lived under Guiliani and he most certainly IS an authoritarian. Please.
As of December 2001, in 34 separate cases the New York Civil Liberties Union went to court to challenge First Amendment violations by the Giuliani administration.
Time after time he tried to suppress free speech and lost in the courts. Time and time again.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:30 pmBigfoot, you make the sh1ttiest arguments.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:33 pmMissMolly - I must tell you: I’m in complete awe of your totally smart, wonderfully erudite and faultlessly logical posts!!
May I please worship at your feet…?
Thank you.
~A.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:37 pmAnd you, OBiggie, please do yourself (and all of us) a favor:
SHUT THE EVERLOVIN’ FLECK UP.
You’re an embarrassment. You really are.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:39 pmBefore 9-11 Guiliani was not well regarded by his constituents.
“Almost from the start of his first term, and right up to the morning of September 11, 2001, Giuliani’s reign was dominated not by talk of his patriotism, but by troubling discussions of racial profiling, police shootings of unarmed black men, and abuses of power to justify anti-crime policies that seem to terrorize substantial portions of New York City’s diverse population.”
In fact, New Yorkers were beginning to call him a fascist.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:41 pmIf if he can not stop talking about 9/11, it would be interesting to find out from him, How did he know that building 7 was going to collapse? How did WTC7 had total collapse in less than 10sec (free fall speed) without being hit by an airplne??!
January 8th, 2008 at 12:42 pmOther than that… Giuliani, go and 9/11 yourself!
I would be pretty certain that Guliani would do everything in his power to make sure it does not happen again.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 8, 2008 @ 11:39 am
I think that is true of all the candidates. The question is what they would do and what they see as within their power to do.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:45 pmHistory is a good indicator. He did everything he could do to make money from it, to seek power because of it. He sought to hold on to his office in spite the end of his term. He used it to bury his seedy personal misconduct. He used it to his personal gain in business. He used it to try and get his questionable friend and partner into high office.
In fact none of the candidates and no use of power can prevent a terrorist attack. I hope that the voters realize that misplaced priority on security can lead to economic collapse, enviromental disaster, failed international policies, and lead ultimately to the failure of great nations much more so than an isolated attack.
IX XI changed nothing. People have always fallen for fear mongering and may well do so again in the next election. Nothing is forever and it may well be that we are seeing the beginning of the end of our country as a free society. Individually we are often smart but collectively not so smart.
Nope, just realistic. The blame for 9/11/01 lies entirely with our militant muslim enemies, not with our elected representatives.
You really are thick aren’t you. Did I say Guiliani caused the planes to fly into the twin towers? No didn’t think so.
If an elected official refuses to act upon recommendations and then the refusal to act causes more deaths than would have been if the recommendations had been carried out, then I would think the elected official has served his/her last public position.
If you are looking for your government to protect you from every criminal activity, or the actions of every foreign enemy, then you are living in your own little dreamworld.
LOL Isn’t that what Bush did by invading another country? Isn’t that what you scardy cat conservatives are looking for? “Oh please Bush save us from those muslim nations!!!!!!!”
You are stupid.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:46 pmUnfortunately, this rallying cry of “9/11″ has been successfully utilized by the right for 6 years now.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:01 pmRemember the gawd awful presidential ad depicting aggressive wolves about ready to attack? Pathetic, but it worked, as the think tank (Rove?) knew the ultimate emotion to play upon…fear. And the majority (?) fell for it.
Giuliani knows his only claim to fame was being the unfortunate mayor of NYC during our darkest hour since 12/7. He rides it like a retired athlete whose past glory came by pinch hitting the game winning run in the World Series, his only hit. Yet he holds on to that memory, because that’s all he’s got.
I’m no Rudy fan, but I do have to say this. If you want to gain respect, focus on other events besides 9/11. You did what any other respected leader would have done in that situation (coward, “deer in the headlights” Bush aside)
I’m off my soap box (and lunch is done)
Have a great day, everyone!!
So I suppose you deny that Pearl Harbor happened also?
Your head is firmly buried in the sand, man.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
So now are you going to start irritating the crap out of everyone by incessantly repeating “Pearl Harbor” until we want to drown you just to shut you up?
We remember the WTC. We don’t need you freaks droning 911, 911, 911, like you are doing us some big favor by driving us fricking crazy with it.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:05 pmA steel and concrete structure does not have total collapse due to fire. Concrete does not pulverize because of fire. All three towers had ‘total collapse’ in less than 10sec. It is phisics, which is something that is impossible to lie about! Total collapse suggests ‘controlled demolition’. In order to certify about that you must have a propper investigation of the crime scene, which Giuliani9/11 made sure that it was cleaned up as fast as the building collpsed.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:08 pmAnd more… if we can see the Show/footage of the planes hitting the towers (Only two of them!), why can;t we see the footage of a 757 hitting the Pentagon? What are they hidding? Why the War Criminals Bush and Chenney had to unswer questions in close section and NOT under oath. Why? What are they hidding? Why Bush took 5 minutes to leave the pre-schoolers and the “my pet goat” book? and the ununswered questions goes on and on… Why the 9/11 Omission/Comission disregarded the central 47 massive steeel colunms of WTC towers in order to fit their SCI-FI version of events? What was NORAD doing then???… 9/11 was a military/CIA/Bushadministration inside job operation. Just explain the Phisics of it would help to suggest otherwise!
Comment by O. Bigfoot
I lived under Guiliani and he most certainly IS an authoritarian. Please.
Comment by lefty
I think O. Bigfoot wants to be under Guiliani.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:08 pmMay I please worship at your feet…?
Thank you.
~A.
Comment by Leftside Annie — January 8, 2008 @ 12:37 pm
LOL — you’re better off if you don’t. I’m a real klutz, and I trip a lot. I wouldn’t want you to get hurt.
Seriously though, I’m sure that what I said in my post is nothing more than common sense, really — what a lot of people are thinking about Giuliani and his transparent attempts to capitalize on a tragic event which, had it not happened, would have resulted in Giuliani remaining as obscure as other American mayors.
Unfortunately, in order to stay relevant, Rudy has had to ratchet up fear as much as possible, and tries to constantly remind us of A) what a “hero” he is, and B) how we must always be afraid of scary brown people.
The fear of terrorism is proving to be much more harmful to our society than terrorism itself — just as the fear of Communism was in Joe McCarthy’s day.
And another point — Hillary should be happy that Giuliani is obligingly making himself look more foolish than she has.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:09 pmArguing with O. Bigfoot = Pissing in the wind
At least piss just stains your pants. When people with opinions like Bigfoot’s are given access to public office, blood reigns o’er all of us.
People like Bigfoot caused 9/11. Because they were in a position to do something before 9/11 happened, and they chose to do nothing.
It’s a fact.
We should all end our posts with “…and Bigfoot is stupid.” It’s quite freeing.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:10 pmHey Rudy, what time is it?
9:11 of course.
Hey Rudy, why is the sky blue?
9-11 of course.
Hey Rudy, what country do you live in?
9-11 of course.
Hey Rudy, are those Gucci loafers?
9-11 of course.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:10 pmRudy + 9/11 sales pitch = a hosed Presidential campaign.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:21 pmFunny that the story about Iran tangling with US ships, which actually happened a couple of days ago, breaks the day before a Presidential primary.
And then Ghouliani gets on TV today repeating his usual 9/11 mantra.
These guys are sooo predictable.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:22 pmRudy buying a bed mattress:
Bed Mattress salesman explaining: “When you sleep on this mattress….”
January 8th, 2008 at 1:22 pmGiuiliani interrupted the salesman:” You look like 9′
Salesman: ” Let me finish,please, Rude’…
Salesman continued”When you stretch your legs”
Giuliani interrupted salesman again:”They look like 11..”
oh Jesus, does this sound desperate! no one’s even listening to this shrimp anymore… no, Rudy, I’m afraid it’s a lucrative life of lobbying and consulting for you… no White House…
January 8th, 2008 at 1:24 pmDoes he not know that people are making jokes about his constant use of 9-11 in everything he says?
Rudy: Noun, Verb, 9-11.
Public: HAHAHAHAHA, snicker, giggle, oh what a card you are Judy.
Bush/Cheney
Hague Trials ‘09
Buck Fush
January 8th, 2008 at 1:35 pmDoes he not know that people are making jokes about his constant use of 9-11 in everything he says?
Comment by Buckie Boy
You’d think his wife would give him a call tell him that everyone is laughing at him.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:41 pmThis is insane, it really is. I’m joining the chorus and saying that he has to have a medical problem. No human being can be this stupid.
January 8th, 2008 at 3:13 pmI would be pretty certain that Guliani would do everything in his power to make sure it does not happen again.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Just like he did after the FIRST WTC attack…
I’m sure he’d be wonderful at that - just imagine all the things he would accomplish - put the emergency response headquarters in a blatant target, streamline communications among first responders, and discuss strategy with his mistresses while kanoodling in the emer response HQ… He’d especially make sure it happened on a different day of the year - isnt that what he (and you) mean by ‘9-11 never again’?
Bang up job so far, Rudy. And you aint too bad yourself OB.
January 8th, 2008 at 3:16 pmGiuliani invoking 9/11 at every turn is kinda like that Brown person from FEMA running for office on his Hurrican Katrina record - Why is FAILURE a recommendation, for Republicans?
January 8th, 2008 at 3:21 pmWhy is FAILURE a recommendation, for Republicans?
Comment by judyinnm — January 8, 2008 @ 3:21 pm
Simple. In the Bush world, you can only fail upward.
January 8th, 2008 at 3:44 pmAs much as I distain almost anything that Giuliani stands for, in this case it may be that he just possibly did a nice political move.
*) That Clinton had some emotion is entirely reasonable. Her statement was entirely reasonable. it may deflect some of the criticism against her of being somewhat cold.
*) Therefore, there isn’t a lot of risk in another politician saying that her emotion was reasonable.
*) By his statement, the Ghool actually had a no-risk way of humanizing himself. At the same time, he took the spotlight off from Clinton and put it squarely on himself.
Possibly a calculated and good move ?
January 8th, 2008 at 5:12 pmWow Rudy you smell nice tonight, what are you wearing?….
…well thanks for noticing its essence of 9/11!!
January 8th, 2008 at 5:37 pmYou’re an embarrassment. You really are.
Comment by Leftside Annie — January 8, 2008 @ 12:39 pmâ€
Nope, ain’t gonna shut up, but sorry to embarrass you.
What a dumb c*nt you are. YOU should be embarrassed. But, like a doofus, your not.
January 8th, 2008 at 7:28 pm