Live New Hampshire Primary Updates
FINAL UPDATE: Hillary Clinton delivers her victory speech:
11:36 PM: Talking with Tom Brokaw, Chris Matthews lamented the fact that the pollsters and pundits got it all wrong. Brokaw suggested that the results today should cause the media to reevaluate its desire to “stampede the process,” and he cautioned the media to “wait for the voters to make their judgment”:
BROKAW: You know what I think we’re going to have to do?
MATTHEWS: Yes sir?
BROKAW: Wait for the voters to make their judgment.
MATTHEWS: Well what do we do then in the days before the ballot? We must stay home, I guess.
BROKAW: No, no we don’t stay home. There are reasons to analyze what they’re saying. We know from how the people voted today, what moved them to vote. You can take a look at that. There are a lot of issues that have not been fully explored during all this.
But we don’t have to get in the business of making judgments before the polls have closed. And trying to stampede in effect the process.
Look, I’m not just picking on us, it’s part of the culture in which we live these days. I think that the people out there are going to begin to make judgments about us if we don’t begin to temper that temptation to constantly try to get ahead of what the voters are deciding, in many cases, as we learned in New Hampshire when they went into the polling booth today or in the last three days. They were making decisions very late.
Watch it:
10:47 PM: CNN and Fox News have declared Clinton the winner.
10:42 PM: Bill Kristol: “It’s the tears. She pretended to cry. The women felt sorry for her. And she won.”
10:32 PM: MSNBC and the AP have called the Democratic race for Clinton. CNN and Fox News are not yet making a projection.
10:15 PM: With 62 percent of precincts reporting in the Democratic contest, Clinton has 39 percent of the vote and Obama has 36 percent.
10:10 PM: One of the analysts CNN has brought in to comment on the primaries tonight is former Christian Coalition director Ralph Reed. Reed gained notoriety for being a “close associate” of fallen lobbyist Jack Abramoff, and suffered an “embarrassing defeat in his effort to win the Republican nomination for lieutenant governor in Georgia” in 2006. Describing McCain’s win, Reed said that the senator “went fetal” after he “experienced the setbacks of the national level.” After confusion from the CNN host, Reed explained that McCain “went to the state that delivered for him eight years ago.”
10:03 PM: Fox pundit Nina Easton makes this observation: “[McCain] talked a lot about the war on terror and talked about national security. When you listen to Democratic candidates, that’s not an issue that you hear a lot about.” Watch it:
9:32 PM: ABC reports that Rudy Giuliani poured in great efforts to try to win New Hampshire, yet he is currently running fourth with 9 percent, just barely ahead of Ron Paul. Still, Joe Scarborough declared that “it looks right now like Rudy Giuliani wins as well as John McCain.” Watch it:
Atrios notes Howard Fineman said, “This is perfect for Giuliani…”
9:15 PM: With 34 percent of precincts reporting in the Democratic primary, Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) is currently in the lead with 40 percent of the vote. Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) is in second with 36 percent.
8:50 PM: MSNBC reported that “more than half of the Republicans in our exit poll say they are either dissatisfied or downright angry with this President. Only 2 in 5 were satisfied and a very small percent were enthusiastic.”
8:49 PM: According to exit polls, “one-third of Democrats named the economy and Iraq as the top issues facing the country, followed by health care. … Republicans were split roughly evenly in naming the economy and Iraq as the nation’s top issue, with illegal immigration and terrorism close too.”
8:42 PM: CNN reports that Romney has already called McCain to congratulate him. According to the Huckabee campaign, Romney never called them after Iowa.
8:40 PM: Bill Kristol is quick to declare McCain’s victory was “because of the surge.”
David Petraeus deserves a lot of credit — most of it of course for improving the situation in Iraq, but I think he ended up being a great asset to John McCain because McCain was such a staunch supporter of Petraeus and the surge.
Watch it:
8:29 PM: New Hampshire’s registered independents are able to vote in either primary. Early exit poll data “indicated six in 10 opted for the Democratic contest.”
8:11 PM: Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC have declared Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) the winner of the GOP primary, with former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney in second.
8:01 PM: Polls have officially closed, and CNN has declared that former senator John Edwards will come in third in the Democratic race.
8:00 PM: On MSNBC’s Hardball, Rep. Tom DeLay said Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) “won’t fare well in the South” because he’s a “moderate.” “The moderates have had their day in Iowa and New Hampshire,” he said, which led to this exchange:
MATTHEWS: Well you say the word moderate with a rather unpleasant look on your face. What is a moderate in the Republican Party as you describe that term?
DELAY: Well that’s a person who likes to think a lot.
MATTHEWS: [Laughter] Is that bad news in your party? Too much thought?
Watch it:
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Why is anyone still listening to bugman?
January 8th, 2008 at 8:06 pmAt least he admits Repubs are against thought.
January 8th, 2008 at 8:08 pmhttp://www.tshirtinsurgency.com
Yes, the concept of a thinking repuke is the oxymoron of the week.
January 8th, 2008 at 8:14 pmThe moron of the week is Tom The Bugman Delay.
reminds me a bit of gg.
January 8th, 2008 at 8:15 pmHaha. Anyone else got a man crush on Chris Matthews? He’s no Dana Perino, but he’s hilarious sometimes.
January 8th, 2008 at 8:17 pmAnd then Chrissy caught a whiff of Delay and spooged right there on camera.
January 8th, 2008 at 8:25 pmDelay should be in prison. Chrissy can be his bunkmate.
Even a moderate pube is too far to the left for these people.
January 8th, 2008 at 8:28 pmOne should not ‘think a lot’ according to Tom Delay…
delay likes dead brain people instead…
So closed minded is his favorite.
I don’t think McCain is conidered ‘moderate’ by no means.
January 8th, 2008 at 8:31 pmA guy who wants to spend 100 years or thousand years in Iraq is not a moderate person at all.
Wow.
Does DeLay realize he just insulted the intelligence of every Republican that has even actually thought about anything?
O wait… he’d have to think about that…
January 8th, 2008 at 8:33 pmPutting two and two together: Given Delay’s description of McCain as a moderate, I’d venture to say that “a lot” is a rather subjective measure of how much Republicans actually think…
January 8th, 2008 at 8:43 pmDid they invite Delay as comedy relief?
January 8th, 2008 at 8:55 pmSurely it wasn’t because they wanted an informed opinion.
The real Tom Delay died years ago while overspraying a basement. A cockroach that he sprayed mutated from all the chemicals and took on human form, with Tom Delay’s face. That cockroach was then elected to Congress by the people of Texas and went on to inspire the horror film “Mimic”.
January 8th, 2008 at 8:56 pmSo who WON?
We don’t have hanging chads to count do we?
Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 8, 2008 @ 8:33 pm
I wonder if they are using Diabold and overnight the winner will switch to Bush.
January 8th, 2008 at 8:57 pmYou know, it’s comments like that one to Delay that make the right hate Tweety as much as we do.
‘Cause you gotta admit … that was funny.
January 8th, 2008 at 9:00 pmyou mean the surge that has a 50% chance of succeeding?
January 8th, 2008 at 9:03 pmComment by MarkD — January 8, 2008 @ 9:00 pm
MarkD… I think I read your book…
January 8th, 2008 at 9:07 pmBill Kristol is quick to declare McCain’s victory was “because of the surge.â€
yeah well done billy - add that one to the list of everything you’ve been completely wrong about
January 8th, 2008 at 9:08 pmHillary wins, don’t cry tweety….waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
January 8th, 2008 at 9:12 pmI wonder if they are using Diabold and overnight the winner will switch to Bush.
Comment by Wayne — January 8, 2008 @ 8:57 pm
No way man, this is NH. We use a standard number two pencil.
January 8th, 2008 at 9:12 pmLooks like Hilary Clinton will win N.H - I guess she has to win one.
January 8th, 2008 at 9:15 pmLooks like Hilary Clinton will win N.H
Comment by robertoroberto — January 8, 2008 @ 9:15 pm
Is she going to cry if she doesn’t ;-)
January 8th, 2008 at 9:20 pmShe’ll take her ball and go home, seriously. Watching McCain, i’m frightened he’ll be another Bush. He’s a little bit carboard insanity.
January 8th, 2008 at 9:25 pmD-d-d-d-d-d id you say J-J-J-J-John M-M-M-McCain? Just another example of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory… a la Howard Dean.
January 8th, 2008 at 9:29 pmCan I get on that show? I’ve never gerrymandered most of Texas or tried to force state represesentatives to come back to a state capital to force a vote, never called said the Repubs are worse than the Nazis…..yeesh……I see dead people….
January 8th, 2008 at 9:29 pmCan Barack pull it out in New Hampshire??? NBC says still too close to call (39-37% for Hillary).
January 8th, 2008 at 9:31 pmOops… lest I be misquoted, I meant MSNBC reports Hil ahead by less than 3000 votes.
January 8th, 2008 at 9:33 pmI think what we’re seeing with revelations like this, and with Faux news claiming a win for “populism” is a loss for America, is the evidence of a party bankrupt of ideas and spoiled by the ill-gotten electoral victories of the last decade-plus. People like Delay have convinced themselves that their wins came because people agreed win them, not because of the dirty tricks and voting machines.
They became complacent and they’re now forgetting to put their face on before they go out in public. They’re sitting contentedly in the tub, thinking America won’t notice these little floaters they’re too relaxed to contain within their bowels.
And speakng of Delay, how does he have any credibility at all in the media? Is his visibility just further evidence of how little shame the right-wing has?
January 8th, 2008 at 9:35 pmWhy do we let folks of the ilk of DeLay be pundits, so that they get to frame how we think?
January 8th, 2008 at 9:38 pmWhy do we let folks of the ilk of DeLay be pundits, so that they get to frame how we think?
Comment by MapleStreet — January 8, 2008 @ 9:38 pm
because we don’t own enough guns?
January 8th, 2008 at 9:41 pmSomebody who thinks alot is a moderate, while those who dont are corrupt, without morals.
January 8th, 2008 at 9:51 pmso that they get to frame how we think?
Comment by MapleStreet — January 8, 2008 @ 9:38 pm
He Doesnt get to frame how you think unless you let them. =)
January 8th, 2008 at 9:53 pmWhy do we let folks of the ilk of DeLay be pundits, so that they get to frame how we think?
Of course, folks like DeLay (and Kristol and Bob Novak) can be pundits. My goodness, man. Look at the moron who we have let play presi-dunce for the past seven years. I’d say that the bar has been set pretty low on all counts.
January 8th, 2008 at 9:55 pmI think what we’re seeing with revelations like this, and with Faux news claiming a win for “populism†is a loss for America.
What FOX claims as populism is a canard. It makes people think of socialism when it, in fact ,populism, one man one vote, Democracy, is what they are undermining.
January 8th, 2008 at 9:55 pmLooks like Clinton is going to squeak this one out.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:12 pmIt’s going to be a two, maybe three candidate race if Edwards hangs in there. He might become a kingmaker at the convention if he keeps his numbers around 15 - 20 %…
*yawn*
January 8th, 2008 at 10:12 pmGeez, Bartles, people are going to think we are psychic!
January 8th, 2008 at 10:13 pmThere is nothing left to wonder about in this country. It has been bought and paid for by the masters.
Clinton a winner?
McCain the warmonger a winner?
Have people lost their minds or have I?
And the pundits with their abysmally sickening comments……
Someone tell me what country I live in. I don’t recognize it anymore. Not one bit.
I am so defeated and discouraged that for the first time in 37 years of voting I am seriously considering not voting as a protest. I’m done with it.
Watch the movie online “Zietgiest”……it’s what will be for all those who are so uneducated as to what has been happening. Looks like most of America deserves the worst that this government can cook up for you.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:14 pmMaybe the pundits should stop trying to tell people who the anointed candidate of the week is?
January 8th, 2008 at 10:14 pmA perfect Example of the Hegelian Dialectic at work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p9uBLqz958
Paul Supporters = Thesis
January 8th, 2008 at 10:15 pmHannity = Antithesis
Seeing it on youtube = Priceless = Synthesis
Like I stated the day after Iowa, we are just out of the blocks, and it’s a marathon (OK, I know they don’t have blocks in a marathon…) and there’s a lot more to this story than has played out yet.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:16 pmFox pundit Nina Easton makes this observation: “[McCain] talked a lot about the war on terror and talked about national security.
Thank God the Iraq war is no longer front page -McCain
BWH!
January 8th, 2008 at 10:16 pmXis, aren’t these pucking fundits full of themselves?
January 8th, 2008 at 10:18 pmI’m not surprised by anything “pundits” say, but…
When did fourth place become a “win”?
January 8th, 2008 at 10:18 pmXis, aren’t these pucking fundits full of themselves?
Comment by RUCerious
I wonder…I think they are so concerned with their careers they cannot see the bigger picture, nor care.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:20 pmThe media picked the top three candidates as it was.
Have we forgotten what democracy is?
I think we have. We have allowed these people to dominate our lives.
Obviously we haven’t had enough. If we had the revolution would have started years ago.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:23 pmEdwards giving his speech right now, talking about universal health care, global warming, and the middle class.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:24 pmGo John, Go!!
And, it totally sucks that Kucinich has been excommunicated from the race by the media….
January 8th, 2008 at 10:25 pmSo yes, I agree RUC, here now gone tommorrow.
And that type of thinking neglects care for the future.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:25 pmMIKE GRAVEL ON REAL NEWS! VERY IMPORTANT INTERVIEW.
on my channel
http://www.youtube.com/oldhacks
January 8th, 2008 at 10:25 pmI agree Bartles, no matter who the Democrats nominate, when that person takes office, the BushitCo nightmare will start to be over, but there will be payments well into the future, both monetary and karmic.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:28 pmXisithrus
What future?
We’re dead in our tracks.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:29 pmHardball/Fox pundits
January 8th, 2008 at 10:33 pm63% reporting
Hillary - 65,974 - 39%
January 8th, 2008 at 10:33 pmBarack - 61,096 - 36%
John E. - 28,323 - 17%
I think Republicans as well as Democrats want to save America, but as we saw in the Roman empire conquest could not save it. A police state could not save it. Jesus could not save it. Greed and materialism doomed it.
We cannot continue on this path.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:34 pmModeration in all things!!
January 8th, 2008 at 10:34 pmAnd, it totally sucks that Kucinich has been excommunicated from the race by the media….
Comment by RUCerious — January 8, 2008 @ 10
January 8th, 2008 at 10:35 pmEdwards and Paul have recieved similar treatment which makes these 3 my favorites . If the corporate media is afraid to allow their message even to be heard than they must be doing something right !
Will a democratic candidate restore my rights lost under these war criminals ? I wish I believed in Obama I could use some hope but he doesn’t seem particularly concerned with reversing these changes to our basic rights . He seems more intent on inheriting them ! If I am mistaken ( and I hope I am ) please provide the info I am missing ,you’ll have my gratitude .
Xisithrus
What future?
We’re dead in our tracks.
Comment by civil behavior
Ever read the book called a Mote in Gods eye?
Perhaps Im crazy eddie for trying…
January 8th, 2008 at 10:37 pmThe primary is called for Hillary, according to the Concord Monitor.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:38 pmGeez, Bartles, people are going to think we are psychic!
Comment by RUCerious — January 8, 2008 @ 10:13 pm
I was thinking more like ……. gullible .
January 8th, 2008 at 10:39 pmYou mean to tell me you’re not excited about the prospect of our first Mormon President? or our first Italian-American President? or our first, former POW President? I’m shocked.
Comment by good_golly — January 8, 2008 @ 10:41 pm
Your racism is showing. How about we look forward to a competent president?
January 8th, 2008 at 10:43 pmI was thinking more like ……. gullible .
Comment by freeman — January 8, 2008 @ 10:39 pm
You have a mind, but does it have you?
January 8th, 2008 at 10:45 pmor our first, former POW President? I’m shocked. -GG
I find it odd that the GOP is now backing a man they claim was damaged for being a POW, care to explain that?
January 8th, 2008 at 10:46 pmHow about we look forward to a competent president?
January 8th, 2008 at 10:47 pmOne with dictatorial powers ? I don’t know about gullibility but if this continues I’ll definitely be travelling !
Comment by good_golly — January 8, 2008 @ 10:45 pm
You dont keep up with economics?, the conservatives I know say we are already in one.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:47 pm“Question: If Hillary wins and takes the oath in late January, and a recession offically starts 6 weeks later in March, 2009, will it be called a Bush recession, or a Clinton recession?”
Comment by good_golly
Answer: A Clinton recession - because it (theoretically) would have happened on her watch.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:47 pmgood cop bad cop .
January 8th, 2008 at 10:48 pmQuestion: If Hillary wins and takes the oath in late January, and a recession offically starts 6 weeks later in March, 2009, will it be called a Bush recession, or a Clinton recession?
Comment by good_golly — January 8, 2008 @ 10:45 pm
The Bush recession will be in full swing by that time. Hillary will pull us out of it. the usual thing, Dems cleaning up republican imcompetence and mismanagement.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:49 pmComment by good_golly — January 8, 2008 @ 10:47 pm
And how, exactly, was George Bush competent?
January 8th, 2008 at 10:50 pmGore lost to Bush ….. NOT !
January 8th, 2008 at 10:51 pmWho doesn’t want to punch that smarmy Bill Kristol? And Tom Delay??? He is a convicted felon. Why is he even in the conversation?
January 8th, 2008 at 10:52 pmIf hillary wins we stay in Iraq , no ? We suffer signing statements and we return to more of the same corporate freindly fascism . Bill despite his charm took the party further right and corporation friendly than it had ever been .
January 8th, 2008 at 10:55 pmbushes and clintons as far as the eye can see .
January 8th, 2008 at 10:55 pmHeh. I scooped TP on their own thread about the Hillary win. :P
January 8th, 2008 at 10:58 pmGOP say that McCain was damaged for being a POW? link please.
Comment by good_golly
And a key purveyor of this anti-Kerry propaganda is a former Green Beret named Ted Sampley, who has run a profitable business as a “POW/MIA advocate” from his home in North Carolina for most of the past two decades. Few remember that Sampley was critical to efforts to similarly smear Sen. John McCain, another war hero, when he ran for president against George W. Bush in 2000
January 8th, 2008 at 10:58 pmGores failure wasn’t the election. It was in not standing up to the little brute Bush.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:00 pmBart
And who will restore our rights ? I agree with your appraiasal and conclusion but isn’t that alot like Obama’s saying that we must stop fighting and just move on ?
The government is owned by foreign interests and international corporations and I can’t think of a democrat that would be any friendlier to those interests than Hillary .
The lesser of 2 evils ?
Bush Supporters Questioned McCain’s Sanity.
“Some of George W. Bush’s supporters have questioned Republican presidential candidate John McCain’s fitness for the White House, suggesting that his five years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam drove him insane at the time.â€
http://www.bartcopnation.com/ dc/ dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=522
The hypocrite party.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:02 pm10:42 PM: Bill Kristol: “It’s the tears. She pretended to cry. The women felt sorry for her. And she won.â€
Should Hillary go on to win, I wonder how that particular moment will play out in the history of the campaign.
The Comeback Cry? I can hear it now.
After losing Iowa, Obama got no bounce - til Sunday.
Hillary cries on Monday.
We all wake up this morning and every poll available is saying it is Obama in a walk - double digits is the only question. And Hillary wins.
Fascinating, this process we call democracy.
I dare any here to say that if there was a similar election day stunner like this in favor of a Republican vs. a Democrat you would not all cry foul, Diebold, stolen election, etc. etc.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:02 pmWhat say U now GG?
January 8th, 2008 at 11:03 pmMaybe U R psychic Bart , because only a medium could decipher that from her message . Maybe pat robertson knows ?
January 8th, 2008 at 11:03 pmScroll up.
I scooped you. :P
Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 8, 2008 @ 11:00 pm
I don’t wanna. I believe ya. :)
January 8th, 2008 at 11:04 pmComment by Keltoi at Night — January 8, 2008 @ 11:02 pm
Smear doesnt fly, it spreads like spilt milk..
January 8th, 2008 at 11:04 pmWaahh says Kristol, I spilt my milk.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:04 pmDid anybody catch the fact that Vermin Supreme got 27 GOP votes>>?
Vermin, Vermin, he’s our guy, if he can’t do it, sock’em in the eye!
January 8th, 2008 at 11:06 pmBart
After all, being the first woman president in history she has a lot on her shoulders, and undoing Bushes trainwrecks will put to rest that argument once and for all, that is, a woman can’t do it.
Kinda like Nacy Pelosi eh ?
January 8th, 2008 at 11:06 pmI gave you a link GG.
What have you to say about the GOP flip flop on McCain sanity?
January 8th, 2008 at 11:07 pmwas thinking more like ……. gullible .
Comment by freeman — January 8, 2008 @ 10:39 pm
That’s pretty funny, freeman!
January 8th, 2008 at 11:08 pmRove was a Republican GOP operative, the architect that got Bush elected , your now trying to deny that?
January 8th, 2008 at 11:09 pmGood news: GOP picks John “Bomb Bomb Iran” McCain.” He loves Bush’s War against Iraq and wants to Bomb Iran. The American people do not agree.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:09 pmWho do you think Sampley worked for?
January 8th, 2008 at 11:10 pmComment by good_golly — January 8, 2008 @ 11:09 pm
Nice try.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:11 pmSomeone PLEASE punch Tom Delay in his face and make him bite his tongue. The MODEL for the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR which is W.
WHAM! SPLAT!
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
January 8th, 2008 at 11:12 pmSo now, folks, Good Golly has admitted that Vote Vets is a fraud.
BWAH!!
January 8th, 2008 at 11:12 pmI hope Hillary can explain away her Kyl Lieberman vote, among other things, renounce signing statements as a way of circumventing the legislative intent of the Congress, and maybe tell us what kind of supreme court justice she’d appoint, as well as restoring habeus corpus and eliminating or divulging the domestic eavesdropping program.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:13 pmShe does those things, she’s going to get my vote. So I think I’m pretty safe supporting Kucinich and Edwards.
What is your source GG?
NONE! Haha
Rove Suggests Former POW McCain Committed Treason and Fathered Child With Black Prostitute.
In 2000, McCain operatives in SC accused Rove of spreading rumors against McCain, such as “suggestions that McCain had committed treason while a prisoner of war, and had fathered a child by a black prostitute,†according to the New Yorker.
The New Yorker is not the onion GG.
BWAH!!
January 8th, 2008 at 11:19 pmRu # 122
January 8th, 2008 at 11:19 pmA BIG DITTO THERE BUDDY !
Just FYI.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Why?
January 8th, 2008 at 11:20 pmJust Google McCain is a traitor and look at what your fellow wingnuts have to say.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:21 pmComment by Keltoi at Night — January 8, 2008 @ 11:02 pm
Boo-hoo, kelljoy, suck it. the GOP is dead, we’re just planning the funeral.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:23 pmWho doesn’t want to punch that smarmy Bill Kristol? And Tom Delay??? He is a convicted felon. Why is he even in the conversation?
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 8, 2008 @ 10:52 pm
oh yes - especially kristol - most of the other right wing nut jobs like hannity and o’reilly are barely tolerable but kristol just makes me physically ill
January 8th, 2008 at 11:23 pmJust Google McCain is a traitor and look at what your fellow wingnuts have to say.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 8, 2008 @ 11:21 pm
Sure enough:
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=441
From Capitalism Magazine, an OBVIOUS leftist rag!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
January 8th, 2008 at 11:25 pm“oh yes - especially kristol - most of the other right wing nut jobs like hannity and o’reilly are barely tolerable but kristol just makes me physically ill”
He reminds me of Golem in Lord of the Rings.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:26 pmOr Gollum, however it is spelled.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:28 pmCheck out the libertarian crazies as well. Check out any Randian rag.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:29 pmRalph mofoking Reed? Really?
Let’s pause for a moment and reflect upon his picture with Jack Abramoff. Oh yeah, and his pathetic loss for the Lt. Governor’s office in Georgia.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:30 pmHe reminds me of Golem in Lord of the Rings.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 8, 2008 @ 11:26 pm
Ew, yeah. No wonder he wears so much makeup.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:31 pmBush Supporters Called McCain “The Fag Candidate.†In South Carolina, Bush supporters circulated church fliers that labeled McCain “the fag candidate.â€
Your people gg
January 8th, 2008 at 11:31 pm“A smear campaign of the ugliest sort is now coursing through the contest for the presidency in 2000. Using the code word “temper,” a group of Senate Republicans, and at least some outriders of the George W. Bush campaign, are spreading the word that John McCain is unstable. The subtext, also suggested in this whispering campaign, is that he returned from 5 1/2 years as a POW in North Vietnam with a loose screw.
Your people GG
January 8th, 2008 at 11:32 pmBoo-hoo, kelljoy, suck it. the GOP is dead, we’re just planning the funeral.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — January 8, 2008 @ 11:23 pm
It must be wonderful to be a snake, LP - you can just suck yourself anytime your self-hate generates enough body heat.
Back under your rock.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:32 pmAre all Democrats “your people†X?
Comment by good_golly
Im not a democrat!! LMAO
January 8th, 2008 at 11:37 pmPoor GG, caught in his/her own projectionism
January 8th, 2008 at 11:38 pm“Thank you. I did use “the Google†and found that most, if not all of those comments came from a small handfull of nutjobs, not “the GOP†and certainly not my “fellow†anything.
See http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/ 1999-03-25/ news/ is-john-mccain-a-war-hero/
Comment by good_golly — January 8, 2008 @ 11:30 pm”
That would be fair if the GOP didn’t have a habit of using those nutjobs to smear their opponents. How about that Indonisian bastard child McCain had? You cannot separate the mainstream GOP from these nutballs because they are tied together.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:40 pmPoor GG,got sucked into Roves Bs, ate his own, and now wishes to regurgitate the POW guy, cured of his insanity.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:40 pmYup, the GOP smeated the POW and now they want to reinvent him. Sick.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:44 pm*smeared*
January 8th, 2008 at 11:45 pmBarack Obama got more votes than McCain.
Well, its a done deal, a democrat will be our next president.
A second place democrat kicks a first place republicans butt every time.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:45 pmThere is always Nevada… maybe Edwards will do well there on the 19th and even better the 26th in SC.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:46 pmI am not buying the so called teary human side of Hillary, that act we saw/heard yesterday. Imagine if Obama or Edwards pulled off that act… maybe they should just for laughs.
I don’t believe that McCain was tortured. Someone who was tortured themselves would nver support the practice of torture.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:46 pm11:36 PM: Talking with Tom Brokaw, Chris Matthews lamented the fact that the pollsters and pundits got it all wrong. Brokaw suggested that the results today should cause the media to reevaluate its desire to “stampede the process,†and he cautioned the media to “wait for the voters to make their judgmentâ€
Hell yeah, Brokaw. He cleaned Tweety’s clock with that one!
January 8th, 2008 at 11:47 pmDo you want to discuss the Hillary camp’s “wispering campaign†about Barak Obama being a Muslim? or a coke head? Are those “your people†spreading those stories, X?
Comment by good_golly — January 8, 2008 @ 11:36 pm
Got a link that proves that it wasn’t a small group of republican haters, gg? That’s the way those things go, republicans hate, and they use their hate to twist the facts. look at keltoi’s lies, for instance. perfect example of how you pigs have screwed up this country so that the whole world hates us. great job. teh rest of the world can’t wait until we vanquish you lousy, unamerican greedmongering traitors.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:48 pmBack under your rock.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 8, 2008 @ 11:32 pm
enjoy the minority, killjerk, and get used to it.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:49 pm“I don’t believe that McCain was tortured. Someone who was tortured themselves would nver support the practice of torture.
Comment by Sue Cauler — January 8, 2008 @ 11:46 pm”
GG is right. McCain does not support torture and was the only one with balls on the issue during the debates.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:50 pmMcCain does not support the practice of torture, and has been a strong opponent of waterboarding.
Comment by good_golly — January 8, 2008 @ 11:48 pm
wrong. he supports the administration, and the war, thus the tactics they have used, even though they have led to our losing the “war”. he’s another psycho nutcase without a clue as to what America is about.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:50 pmMcCain does not support the practice of torture, and has been a strong opponent of waterboarding.
Totally untrue.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:51 pmDidn’t Brokaw call Florida for Gore in 2000?
Comment by good_golly — January 8, 2008 @ 11:50 pm
yes, and he was right. Whaddya know about that?
January 8th, 2008 at 11:51 pmNo, lefty, he is against torture. We don’t need to smear him like righties smear us. You can point out most of his issues but he is NOT for torture.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:51 pmDidn’t Brokaw call Florida for Gore in 2000?
Comment by good_golly — January 8, 2008 @ 11:50 pm
Who the f_ck cares? What’s wrong with you anyway?
January 8th, 2008 at 11:52 pmBush gave McCain 1000 lashes during the 2000 election and McCain later kissed on Bush’’s butt. McCain loves torture and supports torture. He gets sexually aroused by it.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:54 pmDidn’t Brokaw call Florida for Gore in 2000?
Comment by good_golly
January 8th, 2008 at 11:54 pmWho ever it was, it was rightfully so.
McCain loves torture and supports torture. He gets sexually aroused by it.
Comment by Sue Cauler — January 8, 2008 @ 11:54 pm
That’s a ridiculous statement.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:58 pmMaybe Hillary “won” with the help of Republican Corporations “counting” the votes? Who knows. Certainly the pre-election polls did not indicate that her victory was even remotely possible. Could the GOP neocons still be rigging elections in 2008. Does any NH resident have details on the voting machines and how electronic and computerized they are this year. I believe that GOP Senator Sunnu “won” but I remember having some doubts about whether his “victory” was just GOP electronic rigging or was honest… Hillary is corporate America’s best good chance to continue Bush wars and unchallenged corporate greed…
January 8th, 2008 at 11:59 pmComment by good_golly
January 9th, 2008 at 12:00 amAnd as we know today, after ALL the votes were counted, Gore did win. To bad the NYT waited to publish that on 9/12/01 somewhere in the middle section.
It was unconstitutional the SC selected the pres… they should be impeached.
Mitt Romney appeared on national television with the ol Bush’s. Look whats happened to him. Millions of dollars spent on nadda. Republicans are sooooo stupid.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:01 amI meant TOO bad instead of to bad… hate seeing that error.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:01 am“His duplicity led to his eventual defeat before the SCOTUS.”
Pure crap. SCOTUS overruled state law (that is unconstitutional) and chose the president. If that is not an overreach in power I don’t know what is.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:04 amThe same media and the same talking heads that also sold the war.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:04 amIndependents are like bi-sexuals. They flip a coin.
Remember what Andrew Dice Clay said about coin flipping bi-sexuals?
January 9th, 2008 at 12:05 amIndependents are bi-polar. Manic, depressed, manic, depressed, manic, depressed…….
January 9th, 2008 at 12:10 amNot sure insulting independents is a good way to get them to vote for your candidate.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:10 amComment by Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre
Do you think? Many states such as Calif, have cleaned house of those machines. Sec. of State of Ca, Bowen, was elected as she said she would do just that and did. In my state of Oregon, we have optical scanners and so far no problems. I used to go to bradblog and get info about the voting scams.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:12 amActually, Lefty, I know qute a bit about it. Gore lost, then tried to recount the votes only in two counties (Dade and Broward) that he throught would help him, rather than “counting all the votes†as he now likes to say. His duplicity led to his eventual defeat before the SCOTUS.
Comment by good_golly — January 8, 2008 @ 11:55 pm
actually, gg, like everything else, you have your head up your ass. your understanding of the law and Constitution is non-existent, as is your patriotism. thanks for 9/11.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:12 amPaging Pundits….
Your table of crow is ready to be eaten.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:12 amThankfully WI still uses paper ballots. I hope it doesn’t change. If it does I guess it is time to get militant.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:13 amIndependents are bi-polar. Manic, depressed, manic, depressed, manic, depressed…….
Comment by Sue Cauler — January 9, 2008 @ 12:10 am
not all of them. some just are tired of political spam during election season, some don’t find enough in either party to commit to. some are Geminis.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:13 amDamn Geminis. They should become Virgos.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:16 amIowa - Obama, Huckabee
New Hampshire - Clinton, McCain
At first glance it appears that Iowa desires a change in Washington, while New Hampshire votes for those closet to the war.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:18 amNew Hampshire has always been status quo centrist. They are a strange breed.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:22 amDamn Geminis. They should become Virgos.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 9, 2008 @ 12:16 am
Can you become a virgo? I thought it was the other way around.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:23 amComment by Sue Cauler — January 9, 2008 @ 12:10 am
New troll, or, just effing stupid?
January 9th, 2008 at 12:23 amI’m glad I missed all the vote counts, although I’m not entirely wild about the final results. The good news is that all those Wingnuts cackling about “Hillary is toast!” just had their heads exploded. In fact, the one real bright spot if she does manage to get elected will be the sound of those heads exploding all over the country, especially in the Red States.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:24 amNew troll, or, just effing stupid?
Comment by Impolitics — January 9, 2008 @ 12:23 am
What’s with the “or”? Could be both.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:25 amNew troll, or, just effing stupid?
Comment by Impolitics — January 9, 2008 @ 12:23 am
I think she thinks she’s funny. But it’s just dumb.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:25 amSCOTUS illegally, unconstitutionally selected Bush… that is another healing process we must start by impeachment proceedings directed at the SCOTUS with our new ‘09 Congress.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:26 amJefferson did it… Has there ever been a time in history more deserving of multiple impeachment hearings? We must take our Constitution back.
What’s with the “or� Could be both.
Comment by gummitch — January 9, 2008 @ 12:25 am
True. But when one says “troll”? The “stupid” is implied.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:28 am“Can you become a virgo? I thought it was the other way around.
Comment by gummitch — January 9, 2008 @ 12:23 am”
Not sure. I am sure there is a Virgo bandwagon somewhere. Be warned though. We virgos are required to have sticks up our a$$es. Still virgins are so much more peaceful.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:29 amCan you become a virgo? I thought it was the other way around.
Comment by gummitch — January 9, 2008 @ 12:23 am
After enough time passes, one becomes a born-again virgin. ;)
January 9th, 2008 at 12:31 amI believe it is 7 years. Almost two full presidential terms. That would be one heck of a sacrifice!
January 9th, 2008 at 12:34 amI believe it is 7 years. Almost two full presidential terms. That would be one heck of a sacrifice!
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 9, 2008 @ 12:34 am
If you were a good person, you’d make the sacrifice for the Baby Jesus.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:35 amHehe, I am not that good.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:36 amNo one is… :D
January 9th, 2008 at 12:38 amI disagree. The trolls are that good…unintentionally.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:40 amThey know their own dirty secrets…
January 9th, 2008 at 12:42 amThey don’t have dirty secrets. They want to have them desperately but they just can’t figure out how to have one.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:43 amLots of good comments tonight, I had fun reading through.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:45 amMaybe that’s their dirty secret — no dirty secrets!
That’s rather circular, isn’t it?
January 9th, 2008 at 12:45 amThere dirty secret is they can’t get any women (or men) to join them in their perversions!
January 9th, 2008 at 12:47 amRemember the dead guy in the two wet suits, and a little something extra inside? That’s the kind of overreaction you get when you’re all pent up. :-D
January 9th, 2008 at 12:49 amHeh, no, I don’t remember that but it sounds intriguing.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:52 amUse the google. It’s soooo disgusting.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:54 amUse the google. It’s soooo disgusting.
Comment by Zooey — January 9, 2008 @ 12:54 am
Thanks anyway, the ‘flogging the dead hog’ was enough for tonight. ;)
January 9th, 2008 at 12:57 amHeh. I’ll save it for the cesspool party. ;)
January 9th, 2008 at 12:58 amHehe, a pastor, eh? At least he wasn’t molesting little boys.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:59 amPraise Jebus and the Immaculate Ejaculation.
January 9th, 2008 at 1:00 amIt’s hard to do anything from inside two wetsuits!
January 9th, 2008 at 1:00 amHeh. I’ll save it for the cesspool party. ;)
Comment by Zooey — January 9, 2008 @ 12:58 am
I can hardly wait.
Hey, Sabyen91, can I possibly hope that you saw Dan Abrams read my email to him on last night’s show? (Zooey: out loud! on TV!) My 5 seconds of fame! So far I only know of two people who saw it and recognized my name–so much for fame.
January 9th, 2008 at 1:05 amNo, Jane, I didn’t see it. I don’t watch TV or cable news except on presidential election night (and the occasional C-Span). Very nice though!!! I guess I am the type that dooms ACTUAL liberal media. Congrats!
January 9th, 2008 at 1:08 amDamn! Oh well–goodnight!
January 9th, 2008 at 1:11 amNight Jane.
January 9th, 2008 at 1:14 amJust pay a short visit to http://www.bradblog.com and read how Diebold Corporation’s optical scanning software was just used to count 81% of the New Hampshire Primary Election votes on 8 January 2008…
It looks alot like Hillary got a last minute vote count ‘boost” from persons unknown, all done electronically in secret…
Cheers.
January 9th, 2008 at 1:23 amConstitution is non-existent, as is your patriotism. thanks for 9/11.
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January 9th, 2008 at 1:24 am“It’s my guess that all the Hillary haters on this message board are actually Bush supporters in Liberal clothing.
Comment by delafield — January 9, 2008 @ 1:22 am”
My guess is you are half-retarded.
January 9th, 2008 at 1:27 amBecause you called all those who don’t like Hillary trolls (paraphrasing). I find her to be plastic and phony and way too far right. If that makes me a Bush supporter…
January 9th, 2008 at 1:39 amHillary is closer to Bush ideologically than my candidate, John Edwards.
January 9th, 2008 at 1:41 amPaging Pundits….
Your table of crow is ready to be eaten.
Comment by Jack Jett — January 9, 2008 @ 12:12 am
Man! Ain’t that the truth? Just goes to show there is only poll worth taking.
Y’know, I congratulated the damnable Jacksonville Jags for defeating my beloved Steelers, so good on Hillary for getting a win.
The whole entire campaign picture is in total chaos, and I love it! Bloggers and Political Junkies, buy stock in microwavable popcorn now, it is going to be a ride!
January 9th, 2008 at 1:45 amBill ran to the left and governed to the right. He passed no traditionally left bills. He signed NAFTA, for god’s sake. That one bill has done more damage to the middle class than anything but Bush’s damn tax cuts.
January 9th, 2008 at 1:47 am“If Hillary Clinton is as far right as you say, then why have the Clintons been demonized for the past 15 years by every conservative on the planet?”
I have no clue. Clinton was the best Republican president since Lincoln.
January 9th, 2008 at 1:48 amJust pay a short visit to http://www.bradblog.com and read how Diebold Corporation’s optical scanning software was just used to count 81% of the New Hampshire Primary Election votes on 8 January 2008…
It looks alot like Hillary got a last minute vote count ‘boost†from persons unknown, all done electronically in secret…
Cheers.
Comment by Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre — January 9, 2008 @ 1:23 am
Well, thanks for that. I suggested much the same a hundred posts or so ago, but no one wanted to talk about it. The only people who “steal” elections are Repubs.
I mean, c’mon, Hillary would never stoop so low, right?
January 9th, 2008 at 1:49 amdelefield if you are seriously a liberal you will look into the “fair” trade agreements Clinton got us into. He started the whole job offshoring and Bush continued his policies. Clinton is no saint and he was no liberal. And Hillary is even less liberal. She was a young freaking Republican in college.
January 9th, 2008 at 1:50 amFred Thompson needs to REALLY get going or “it’s curtains” for him!
http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/ 2008/ 01/ hillary-clinton-spoils-my-perfect.html#links
January 9th, 2008 at 1:50 amKeltoi, Hillary is about one of the only things I would agree with you on. She is a corporate whore (like virtually all righties). I am not shocked. But when it comes to election stealing you guys are the best. Congratulations.
January 9th, 2008 at 1:52 amKY, Fred Thompson is too lazy to drop out. He will just sit on the couch and watch reruns of Law and Order until the pundits say he is out of the race.
January 9th, 2008 at 1:53 amRight, delafield, that was the one thing he promised the left. He dropped it about two weeks later.
Sure, she said she will raise taxes on the rich and lower the taxes on the middle class and poor…because Edwards pushed her to the left. She wouldn’t have said it if he hadn’t. And no, she won’t do it and will blame it on the Democratic Congress.
January 9th, 2008 at 1:56 am