Sen. Stevens: putting pipelines over polar bears.
By on Jan 10th, 2008 at 10:04 am
Sen. Stevens: putting pipelines over polar bears.
Environmental groups are currently pushing the Interior Department to list polar bears “as a threatened species due to global warming under the federal Endangered Species Act.” Yesterday, Sen. Ted Steven’s (R-AK), who is currently facing a federal ethics investigation, said he opposes the move because it would “block the development” of a natural gas pipeline in Alaska’s North Slope. Stevens added that he believed the designation was “unnecessary.”
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Why hasn’t Ted Stevens resigned in shame?
Oh right, he has none…
January 10th, 2008 at 10:07 amWhy does Stevens hate GODs critters?
January 10th, 2008 at 10:08 amPolar bears can’t vote, and are therefore unimportant to Stevens.
January 10th, 2008 at 10:10 amAll Repugs are environmental Neanderthals.
January 10th, 2008 at 10:19 amTed doesn’t believe in science rather corporate greed.
January 10th, 2008 at 10:23 am‘Ole Stevens has a thing for pipelines, eh? Wasn’t it he that said the Internet was just a bunch of pipes?
January 10th, 2008 at 10:25 amYou would think that, as a representative of the state, Stevens would have some interest in protecting the delicate balance of the environment for the future. Oh yeah, he’s a Republican scumbag just out for himself. What amazers me is that this criminal leech keeps getting voted back in. Do the people of Alaska actually feel that he represents their best interests?
January 10th, 2008 at 10:26 amWhen I read this, I am reminded of the fanatics of the Second Amendment and their allegiance to the right to bear arms. Perhaps in this case, environmental groups can up posters with pictures of bears carrying rifles and the caption: Support the right of bears to bear arms.
January 10th, 2008 at 10:26 amComment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 10:25 am
Why do neo-kooks, like you, cry about high fuel prices then start wars which triple the price of fuel?
January 10th, 2008 at 10:29 amBigfoot, you have a painfully backwards view of our challenges in the 21st century. You republicans are so full of greed you’re like the monkeys in that experiment where they had access to cocaine and snorted it till their heart’s exploded.
What part of developing alternative enrgy sources do you not understand?
Why do you people have to rape our natural resources for greed and profit?
The gas from Alaska would be merely a drop in the bucket in terms of total US energy consumption. Get a grip on reality and faced the challenges before us.
January 10th, 2008 at 10:30 amWhy do liberals scream the loudest about high energy prices, yet at the same time work so hard to thwart any effort to provide more energy supply, thereby lowering prices?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 10:25 am
Why do you make up sh!t about liberals? That’s a better question.
Or do you simply not understand the distinction between “prices” and “profits”?
January 10th, 2008 at 10:30 amOne positive if this pipeline goes through, perhaps it will threaten the bigfoot population.
January 10th, 2008 at 10:30 amWhy do liberals scream the loudest about high energy prices, yet at the same time work so hard to thwart any effort to provide more energy supply, thereby lowering prices?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 10:25 am
The price of oil would not come down because of this pipeline. We work hard toward alternative energy sources — why do you wingnuts work so hard to thwart any effort toward alternative evergy, thereby eliminating our dependence on foreign oil?
January 10th, 2008 at 10:30 ammissmolly, you give him too much credit
January 10th, 2008 at 10:30 ampolar bears don’t have any money with which to bribe him, so he doesn’t care about them
All liberals are environmental hypocrites.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 10:29 am
No. Why do you keep lying?
January 10th, 2008 at 10:30 amSo what animal has caused the price of fuel to triple under the Bush admin Big (O)?
Huh huh? Cant name any can you?
January 10th, 2008 at 10:30 amPolar Bears should be be put on the endangered species list since their numbers are fine right now. Hell, we still hunt them legally in Canada since their numbers are really good. Putting a species on the list with the idea that it someday will have an issue is not what the list was meant for. Besides, Global warming in my mind won’t be stopped anyways.
January 10th, 2008 at 10:32 amAll liberals are environmental hypocrites.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 10:29 am
All neo-kooks are hypocrites on everything.
January 10th, 2008 at 10:32 amPolar bears can’t vote, and are therefore unimportant to Stevens.
Comment by missmolly — January 10, 2008 @ 10:10 am
Nor do they have a strong lobbying organization to provide free home remodeling and private Gulfstream VI trips back home.
January 10th, 2008 at 10:34 amHey..I thought the pipelines were supposed to be good for the wildlife! Remember George H W Bush and his “caribou rubbing up against the warm pipeline and having lots of babies” speech? So now Stevens is basically admitting that building the pipeline will be detrimental to arctic wildlife. So, if we just don’t say that a species is ‘endangered’ then it’s OK to go full speed ahead and help drive it to extinction? Pretty sad, Ted, even for you.
January 10th, 2008 at 10:34 amTed Stevens should also be facing a federal stupidity investigation for his comments about the internet tubes.
January 10th, 2008 at 10:35 amSo what animal has caused the price of fuel to triple under the Bush admin Big (O)?
Huh huh? Cant name any can you?
Comment by Xisithrus — January 10, 2008 @ 10:30 am
I can name one–Homo Sapiens.
January 10th, 2008 at 10:36 amwhen are the greedy republicans going to realize that it is the HUMAN SPECIES that is endangered! I mean goddamnit! Don’t these people have children of their own? Grandchildren? Do they not care what kind of world we’re all going to have to live in?
January 10th, 2008 at 10:37 amNo. Why do you keep lying?
Comment by gummitch — January 10, 2008 @ 10:30 am
Because he’s a really shitty Mormon.
January 10th, 2008 at 10:37 amO Bigidiot; Ever hear of something called renewable energy sources?
Solar power?
wind power?
Didn’t think you did.
Repugs try their damnedest to not develop these resources and then need wars to keep their fingers in the depleting fossil fuels and keep polluting the air & water.
If we developed renewable energy sources, we could curtail pollution to a great degree AND we would not need to start a war to steal someone else’s oil.
January 10th, 2008 at 10:38 amI can name one–Homo Sapiens.
Comment by Menehune
Dont say Homo around a Republican, they will start tap dancing en masse!
January 10th, 2008 at 10:38 amSo O’Bigfool thinks that if a “liberal” doesn’t support a natural gas pipeline through an environmentally sensitive area, then in order to be consistent, that liberal has to swear off any and all use of natural gas from any source whatsoever.
This should give some indication of the intellectual rigor applied to any argument by O’Bigfool. Any further consideration of said arguments should be viewed in this light.
January 10th, 2008 at 10:38 amSenator Stevens may get to live out his life in prison. And he deserves it. What is this unethical thug still doing in office? He should resign in total shame.
January 10th, 2008 at 10:40 amTed Stevens should also be facing a federal stupidity investigation for his comments about the internet tubes.
Comment by Dumb_Fox — January 10, 2008 @ 10:35 am
Of course he should, but unfortunately the committee in charge of those particular investigations is overwhelmed by its attention to the Executive branch. And Dick Cheney.
January 10th, 2008 at 10:40 amThe Inuit are also overwhelmingly against Washington politicians
-Big (Ûž)
Ya think??
*rolls eyes twice*
January 10th, 2008 at 10:41 amWe all know that the price of oil is well controlled by our resident thugs – Bush & Cheney. Nothing we do here is going to convince them to reduce their vulgar profiteering. You’d think with two “oil men” in office, this would be the one thing they could do right???
Instead, the people are getting oiled while getting shafted.
January 10th, 2008 at 10:43 amIt’s a series of tubes! LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtOoQFa5ug8
January 10th, 2008 at 10:50 amActually, I think that Senator Stevens is FAR more unnecessary than any polar bear ever born.
January 10th, 2008 at 10:54 amI’m curious to know, because I know for a fact that I use more alternative methods of energy in my life than most of the liberals on this blog.
Therefore, your statement concerning the thwarting of alternative forms of energy is a complete, and verifiable, lie.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 10:46 am
And how do you glean those facts? Do you do an energy audit on each person on TP?
Geezus! Biggie sounds more and more like the Mitter every day; has answers for everything, whether they are factual or not.
January 10th, 2008 at 10:56 amOf course he should, but unfortunately the committee in charge of those particular investigations is overwhelmed by its attention to the Executive branch. And Dick Cheney.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — January 10, 2008 @ 10:40 am
The committee is both overwhelmed and hampered by the fact their finest members, known as the WGA, are on strike.
January 10th, 2008 at 10:57 amTherefore, your statement concerning the thwarting of alternative forms of energy is a complete, and verifiable, lie.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 10:46 am
Eh, I haven’t seen any verification — just your word, and that means nothing around here, since you’re one of the biggest, fattest liars on this blog.
Oh, I made a boo boo, I said oil when I meant energy. Heavens…
I take the bus, my car is practically covered with snow because I haven’t been driving it, except to the grocery store once a week. I live in a condo, so there are limited things I can do without affecting my neighbors, but I only heat the rooms I use, and then only to 55.
I would never use wood to heat my home. I bet you do.
January 10th, 2008 at 10:59 amTherefore, your statement concerning the thwarting of alternative forms of energy is a complete, and verifiable, lie.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 10:46 am
Says the guy that supporting Romney, someone who is a warmonger, yet when time for him to serve, used deferments for “religious” reasons not to serve.
Oh yeah, you say you are lds too, the same church whose prophet, Joseph Fielding Smith, defended not giving blacks the priesthood, because blacks were descendants of Cain. He was not the only “prophet” to make this claim either.
Are you as racist as your church’s roots O’Bigfoot in Mouth?
January 10th, 2008 at 11:01 amAll O. Bigfoots are uninformed, money-loving jackasses.
Comment by bernard quatermass — January 10, 2008 @ 10:59 am
That’s the truth.
January 10th, 2008 at 11:02 am… arguing with pussy-foot again? … uy…
January 10th, 2008 at 11:05 amI’m curious to know, because I know for a fact that I use more alternative methods of energy in my life than most of the liberals on this blog.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 10:46 am
I understand, you are so incredibly full of shit you generate enough methane to heat Wisconsin thru winter.
January 10th, 2008 at 11:06 amI’m curious to know, because I know for a fact that I use more alternative methods of energy in my life than most of the liberals on this blog.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 10:46 am
Bigfoot is using his psychic super power again! Or else he’s just lying about liberals again, which is apparently his real super power.
And once again betraying his incomprehension about urban life. Psst, Bigfool, they don’t let us dig wells in the backyard! I did try putting up a windmill, but the property manager made me take it down.
January 10th, 2008 at 11:17 amI know for a fact that I use more alternative methods of energy in my life than most of the liberals on this blog.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 10:46 am
And don’t forget, you marched with Martin Luther King Jr.
January 10th, 2008 at 11:17 amIsn’t this kind of like asking “what are you doing to fight the War on Terror”?
January 10th, 2008 at 11:22 amOne other thing that is seldom considered — when one species is either wiped out or about to be wiped out, there’s a domino effect that harms other species within that ecosystem. Environmental impact can be a very tricky thing, and it’s more than “nobody’s going to miss polar bears.”
January 10th, 2008 at 11:25 amHave you organized a movement in order to countermand your property managers authoritarian hand? Sounds like you live under the thumb a a virtual dictator. I’m surprised you would let such a person control your life to such a degree.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 11:22 am
I live in an apartment, fool. I pay a premium rate for electricity so that PGE uses green energy sources for 100% and all the bulbs in the apartment are compact fluorescents; most of the time, they’re off, and any appliance not actually in use is unplugged. I work for the local transit agency, actively encouraging (and using) alternative forms of transportation including walking, biking, buses and rail. The buses, incidentally, run on a biodiesel blend.
I create virtually no trash because I recycle virtually everything.
So, yeah, I’d say I’m pretty actively involved in alternative energy.
Your psychic powers suck.
January 10th, 2008 at 11:28 amBesides, Global warming in my mind won’t be stopped anyways.
-Comment by Roger_Roger
I’m not sure if any of us give a hoot how warm your mind is RX2.
Have you tried Tylenol?
A Lobotomy may prove helpful, though, and gives much longer relief to ‘WBS’. (Warm Brain Syndrome)
January 10th, 2008 at 11:31 amI use wood to heat both of my homes.
Both homes? You know what’s more environmentally sound? One home.
So what do you use to heat your home? Electricity, gas, or oil?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 11:27 am
I better know, huh? Jackass.
Electricity — hydroelectric. Gosh, I’m smart.
Get rid of your second home, you’re wasting energy.
January 10th, 2008 at 11:32 amComment by gummitch — January 10, 2008 @ 11:28 am
Oh yeah, I forgot the fancy light bulbs and recycling. :-)
January 10th, 2008 at 11:35 amBigfoot needs to get out more often. He may not have noticed the shortage of woodlots in urban areas.
January 10th, 2008 at 11:35 amBurning wood contributes huge carbon emissions. It does have the benefit of warming one 3 times, however…once cutting it, once carrying it and finally when heating it.
Do you cut your own wood, Bigfeet?
January 10th, 2008 at 11:35 amWhat are you personally doing to promote the use of alternative energy, Wayne?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 11:17 am
This isn’t about the energy we use is it? And then you accuse others of going off topic. And we don’t have to answer your bullying questions in the first place. The thread is about a known corrupt politician making decisions that are bad for the entire country. You want to rape and pillage the environment then go to some site that agrees with your obscene behavior. But when you’re here you have no justification to complain about the efforts we want to make.
January 10th, 2008 at 11:35 amDon’t you have meat to deliver?
O Bigidiot; Well, I’ll be damned. After ALL this time, you finally said SOMETHING we can agree with. Didn’t think you had it in you. Think globally/act locally.
January 10th, 2008 at 11:36 amHave you organized a movement in order to countermand your property managers authoritarian hand? Sounds like you live under the thumb a a virtual dictator. I’m surprised you would let such a person control your life to such a degree.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 11:22 am
What part of URBAN don’t you understand. We don’t all live in Shitkickerville you ignorant hick.
January 10th, 2008 at 11:37 amThat picure reminds me of this Stephen Colbert clip.
January 10th, 2008 at 11:38 amI suggest you do a little research before you start spouting, Wayne. And perhaps do a little more to attempt to stay on topic.
What are you personally doing to promote the use of alternative energy, Wayne?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 11:17 am
I have researched your church, and I can back up what I stated. My ex’s family are lds, so I looked into it.
Why don’t you correct any “mistake” you think I made.
And another thing, my people, Native Americans, are not a long lost tribe of Israel. None of our stories match your Book of Mormon, and modern genetic science has proven that claim is false.
I ride a bicycle 5 miles to work and 5 miles home every day. Instead of oil I burn carbohydrates.
January 10th, 2008 at 11:39 amI’m curious to know, because I know for a fact that I use more alternative methods of energy in my life than most of the liberals on this blog.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 10:46 am
Because I live in a townhouse in an urban area, I can’t dig a well or build a windmill. I also can’t use wood to heat my home. These are things I probably could do if I lived in a more rural area.
That doesn’t mean I’m helpless, though. I practice energy conservation — something everyone can do. I drive a small econobox car, and I consolidate my trips so I don’t drive unnecessarily (part of that is selfish — I hate paying for any more gasoline than I have to). In the home, I put on a sweater instead of cranking the heat above 68. I turn off lights and appliances when not in use, and when I buy appliances, I look for the energy saver rating (and not all appliances are necessary — why use an electric can opener when a manual one works as well if not better?). Because we are in the middle of a severe drought, I use as little hot water as I can, because I use as little water as possible. And speaking of water — drinking tap water instead of bottled water saves a great deal of energy that’s otherwise expended by the bottled water industry.
And there’s more. I contribute to NCGreenPower, a program here in North Carolina that promotes alternative renewable energy and makes its use reality.
http://www.ncgreenpower.org/
Other states have programs like this one — check to see if your state does.
When you assume that we “liberals” don’t walk the walk, you assume incorrectly. Many of us help in whatever way we can.
January 10th, 2008 at 11:42 amThe outside lighting is all automatically solar charged, and each of the four lighting systems has individual battery packs and seperate dusk-to-dawn operation or motion-detecting devices. Completely self-contained.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 11:40 am
So are they both double wides Biggoon or is one the kind of home you can take on the road? Oh wait, who really gives a shit.
January 10th, 2008 at 11:42 amComment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 11:40 am
Obviously, you don’t need this home. Get rid of it.
Unlike you, I don’t present myself as
January 10th, 2008 at 11:43 ampsychopsychic.I buy !0% ethanol gas for my car (there’s only one or two E-85 stations in Omaha right now).
I Keep the thermostat at 65 in the winter, 72 in the summer.
I Use energy-efficient bulbs and LED lights.
I’m always improving ways to insulate my house, such as replace the caulking around windows and insulation in the attic.
I chose the collection service for my part of town based on the fact that they were only one that took recyclables.
Currently, like the vast majority of Americans, I cannot afford to attach solar panels to my house, or windmills, or dig a well, or replace either one of my vehicles with an E-85-engined or biodiesel powered vehicle. But I and my family do what we can.
And I support and vote for candidates that also share my views on energy.
I think the very fact that my efforts are basically a trickle in the grand scheme of things does not bar me from speaking out for a change in our energy policy.
January 10th, 2008 at 11:44 amIf you are not able to dig a well where you live, in order for you to live a more environmentally responsible life, I suggest you move to a place where you can.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 11:22 am
Ah, but if I moved out to the country where I could dig a well and a windmill to pump it with, I would have to burn up a great deal more gasoline to commute to my place of work — plus, carpooling (which I am now able to do some of the time with a co-worker) would be virtually impossible. One has to make sure the cure isn’t worse than the disease.
January 10th, 2008 at 11:49 amAs far as discussing religion, that would appear to be outside the scope of this thread.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 11:44 am
As is our energy use but that didn’t stop you from bringing up that subject. You don’t make the rules around here, apparently you didn’t know that.
January 10th, 2008 at 11:50 amAny idea how all that energy moves around?
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Yes. There two methods: Heat and Work.
Heat Transport can be in the form of: conduction, convection and radiation.
Work can be in the form of: Electricity, springs, a moving piston, etc.
January 10th, 2008 at 11:53 amYou don’t make the rules around here, apparently you didn’t know that.
Comment by Shayne — January 10, 2008 @ 11:50 am
Inadequate beings like O BigPompousAss must always try to control the things and people around them, so they can feel like they’re in control of SOMETHING in their lives.
January 10th, 2008 at 11:53 amYeah, Obigmouth – we all know how great the Repubes have been for the environment.
You’ve convinced us, I’m sure.
Not.
January 10th, 2008 at 11:58 amBiggoon and RogerX2stupid think that if we can’t be sure we’ll fix a problem 100% we should do nothing except make it worse. A couple of freakin’ geniuses.
January 10th, 2008 at 11:58 amThe problem, as I see it, is not just NOT using the car, but is a good measure. The problem is to ADDRESS CONSUMPTION. US citizens consume everything: huge amounts of food, and half of it goes to the garbage can. Cell phones, computer hardware wastes, clothing, etc.
All those goods come from some place and they are transported by vehicles that use gas or diesel. Of course, stopping consumption means you are a communist, therefore you have to ravage the Earth in order to be an American, right?
In any case, the most dangerous problem are not Americans but Chinese and Indians. When those guys decide to achieve American living standards, we are done as a species.
January 10th, 2008 at 12:02 pmIs the global warming debate really about trying to reduce the temperature of the planet or is it more a catalyst to promote environmentalist policy. Today, both are admirable objectives, but please consider the hypothetical in order to help answer the real motivation.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 10, 2008 @ 11:58 am
Right. Every scientist involved in every study in the IPCC has jettisoned their values, ethics, integrity, and the scientific method, just to promote the “environmentalist policy.”
Good grief, get a clue.
January 10th, 2008 at 12:03 pmSo, BART, environmentally conscious lib that you are, what do you personally do to promote alternative energy in your daily life? The world wants to know!
Comment by O. Bigfoot
You’re OFF TOPIC again. The topic is Senator Stevens and a pipline through Alaska. And we know you believe yourself to be in charge of something but we don’t have to answer your lame questions. How much energy do you save driving that refrigerated meat truck to all your backwoods customers?
January 10th, 2008 at 12:05 pmHe told me his wintertime propane costs have been running about $100 a week.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Tell him to use a heat pump instead IF electricity is cheap around that place. THose devices use electricity in order to transport heat from a cold environment (outside) to a warm environment. Just like the fridge.
However, it would be useful to use PV cells in order to get electricity instead of using the grid. The capital investment may seem costly but it could have some 1 year of payback time depending on many factors.
January 10th, 2008 at 12:06 pm“Imagine for a moment if the debate were not about global warming, but instead scientists were predicting that the world was actually cooling at an alarming and dangerous rate.”
Comment by CaptainMantastic
How about a scenario where the moon flies off into outer space? I always loved those stories – and it would be as believeable as global cooling in this day and age.
January 10th, 2008 at 12:08 pmActually, if you live in Alaska you would notice that the Wildlife does indeed ignore the pipelines, but that does not mean we should ignore the decline of the polar bears.
Buck Fush
January 10th, 2008 at 12:08 pmIs the global warming debate really about trying to reduce the temperature of the planet or is it more a catalyst to promote environmentalist policy. Today, both are admirable objectives, but please consider the hypothetical in order to help answer the real motivation.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 10, 2008 @ 11:58 am
Did no one ever explain to you that a hypothetical has to first make sense in order to be worth consideration?
And if environmentally-sensitive policy and reduction of warming are “admirable objectives”, why not implement them?
January 10th, 2008 at 12:09 pmI only use republican assfat instead of oil in my Hummer.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 10, 2008 @ 12:03 pm
Most of republican fat is in their heads, don’t ya know?
January 10th, 2008 at 12:09 pmIn that scenerio, would you support policies to increase emissions of CO2, running you car at idle overnight, burning more fossil fuels, etc – in order to help warm the planet and save mankind? Would that make sense and would you support it.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 10, 2008 @ 11:58 am
Actually, I would be very skeptical if I was asked to burn more fossil fuels to save the planet, since fossil fuels are a finite non-renewable resource.
If scientists collectively said that the earth was cooling, I would ask if this was a natural phenomenon, or if this was due to something humans were doing — just as I ask about global warming. If, like global warming, there was evidence that human activity is causing the problem, I would support changing that activity instead of wasting natural resources that, when gone, would only make the problem return. I generally support making fewer and lighter footprints — not greater ones.
And, at the risk of getting back to the original point of this thread, human footprints also apply when we consider damaging ecosystems to suck more energy out of the earth.
January 10th, 2008 at 12:12 pmDid no one ever explain to you that a hypothetical has to first make sense in order to be worth consideration?
And if environmentally-sensitive policy and reduction of warming are “admirable objectivesâ€, why not implement them?
Comment by gummitch — January 10, 2008 @ 12:09 pm
If things had to make sense to Cap’nClueless would he spend his days listening to Rush Limbaugh so he could come here and show us all how dumb he is?
January 10th, 2008 at 12:13 pmonly use republican assfat instead of oil in my Hummer.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 10, 2008 @ 12:03 pm
Most of republican fat is in their heads, don’t ya know?
Comment by Wayne — January 10, 2008 @ 12:09 pm
See they are good for something if you harvest their fat and shut them up at the same time.
January 10th, 2008 at 12:14 pmCome on, don’t be an environmental hypocrite like most liberals! Speak up, or forever hold your peace.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 12:14 pm
You don’t make the rules around here and we don’t come here to answer your demands. This thread IS NOT about your home or energy demands or ours. How many times does this need to be explained to you? And for the record nobody believes word one about the houses you supposedly own so get over yourself.
January 10th, 2008 at 12:18 pmIf the scientific community came out and said the earth was cooling too rapidly and we need to increase our CO2 emissions (auto emissions, coal plant emissions, cut down trees in the rain forest, etc) to combat it, would you put your support behind it?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 10, 2008 @ 12:20 pm
If you had a brain would you still be spouting inane hypotheticals, probably not. Then again if you had a brain would you be a Republican water toting lackey, probably not.
January 10th, 2008 at 12:22 pmCome on, don’t be an environmental hypocrite like most liberals! Speak up, or forever hold your peace.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 12:14 pm
Several of us have already demonstrated that we have a much smaller environmental footprint than you; you just can’t read, apparently.
Or, as usual, you’re so busy patting yourself on the back that you simply can’t understand what you’re reading. Shayne is right; it’s a waste of energy even trying to converse with you.
January 10th, 2008 at 12:23 pmMmmm, lambast me for off-topic discussion, and then ask me yet another off-topic question if we use your own standards.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 12:21 pm
She was pointing out that YOU were trying to be topic police while hypocritically changing the actual topic of the thread yourself. But you seem a bit too dense to understand written english.
January 10th, 2008 at 12:24 pmAnd if anyone even comes close, I will gladly share the award.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Anyone living outside the US, mostly in poor countries doesn’t have the 19.7 CO2 tons/year release that you have.
I don’t have a car. I walk a lot or use public transportation. We don´t have heating or cooling devices at home (almost no home in Mexico has one because weather is really kind). We just have 1 TV. I don’t watch it. I have 6 months using cold water to shower. I don’t drink bottled water.
I bet I score less in this test.
January 10th, 2008 at 12:24 pmSpartan?
I’m not sure I’m familiar with that model.
Does that come in the single or doublewide styles?
Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 10, 2008 @ 12:20 pm
I looked it up, apparently they only come in singles. They look like cheap ripoffs of Airstreams and the value for that year is about $5,000. Apparently Bigfool didn’t understand we were making fun of him for thinking a trail was a house.
January 10th, 2008 at 12:28 pmOh, and I’m a freaking liberal, so left that you will choke up.
January 10th, 2008 at 12:28 pmBut, considering that if I did deliever to them, and each time I did, it would save each of them a 60-70 mile round trip into town and about 4-5 hours driving time, it would appear my route would be extremely energy efficient. The grocery equivelent of car-pooling. Perhaps starting a route in that area would be a good idea, environmentally. Thank you!
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 12:21 pm
Right, because they don’t need to drive to the store to buy their other groceries, right. And your towns are so big you think we recognize them by their names. We couldn’t even tell yo what state they’re in numbnutz. Most people buy their meat when they go to the grocery store, see one trip is all it takes. Oh and I live across the street from my general grocery store and one block from Whole Foods, no energy required. I also have a hardware store, UPS store, my bank and many other stores directly across the street and I still bought a hybrid car and parked my truck to use only when needed for business so don’t give me all your holier than though self righteous crap.
January 10th, 2008 at 12:33 pmIf you know anything about the classic “birchwood†era, you should know something about Spartan.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 12:25 pm
Most of us don’t have in depth knowledge on motor homes Bigtoot. You are the expert around here on this subject. High 5 on being the trailer park expert!
January 10th, 2008 at 12:37 pmWe’ll be the judge of that.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 10, 2008 @ 12:34 pm
Bartlebee the English teacher. ha!
January 10th, 2008 at 12:39 pmOh, I understand written english just fine. I’m also polite to try to answer questions posed of me.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 12:27 pm
Of course unlike you we’re not paid to post around here. If you were actually being polite you wouldn’t come around to a site where people have a purpose and try to disrupt their acquisition of facts.
January 10th, 2008 at 12:40 pmThats pretty cool. We have such a wide diverse group of people here.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
But I’m from Argentina. :)
January 10th, 2008 at 12:43 pmThe point I am trying to make is that there are two different issues here; doing what we believe is good for the planet v. slowing the warming of the planet.Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 10, 2008 @ 12:37 pm
The point is you missed the point. These are not two different issues at this time. When they become different issues then those problems will need to be addressed. You people don’t want to handle current issues EVER that’s why you’re Rethugs.
January 10th, 2008 at 12:43 pmI will gladly hand the award to you!
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Thank you. I want to thank my common sense, first of all…
January 10th, 2008 at 12:44 pmIf you would be polite and listen, you could actually acquire some facts. Instead, like most liberals, when the facts don’t suit you, you merely ignore the facts.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 12:42 pm
You think listening to lies and distortions is educational. If we wanted to do that we would watch Fox News like you do and we wouldn’t need your supposed facts then either.
January 10th, 2008 at 12:47 pmMan, you’re like the Queen of the TrailerPark, huh?
You sure do know your trailers.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — January 10, 2008 @ 12:46 pm
Well we always knew he was a Queen. Not exactly news around here.
January 10th, 2008 at 12:48 pmWe might want to take it to a different blog though. There are plenty of blogs that cover the topic of motor homes.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 12:46 pm
Oh this is priceless, so both of your homes belong in trailer parks. You just can’t make this stuff up, real life is so much funnier. Did this whole point of contention go right over your head, apparently the answer is, YES.
January 10th, 2008 at 12:50 pmFact is, a natural gas pipline through Alaska would have no effect on Polar Bear habitat or Polar Bear populations.
As stated by others in this thread, wildlife routinely ignore piplines.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 12:48 pm
Right because the pipeline just magically appears in pristine areas with no trampling of an area to build the pipeline and no accidents that cause environmental catastrophe ever.
January 10th, 2008 at 12:51 pmFact is, a natural gas pipline through Alaska would have no effect on Polar Bear habitat or Polar Bear populations.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
whatever
January 10th, 2008 at 12:59 pmYet another thread hijacked by the a$$hat Bigmouth. You guys should really learn to ignore that propaganda reichwing tool.
Buck Fush
January 10th, 2008 at 1:02 pmComment by Buckie Boy — January 10, 2008 @ 1:02 pm
You’re right BB but it is kind of funny that we caught him bragging about his two trailer park domociles, isn’t it?
January 10th, 2008 at 1:04 pmShayne – yeah, that was kinda funny.
Buck Fush
January 10th, 2008 at 1:25 pmYou’re right BB but it is kind of funny that we caught him bragging about his two trailer park domociles, isn’t it?
Comment by Shayne — January 10, 2008 @ 1:04 pm
Bigass really does live in trailer homes? :-D
January 10th, 2008 at 1:41 pmBigass really does live in trailer homes? :-D
Comment by Zooey — January 10, 2008 @ 1:41 pm
Yes but he has TWO of them, and one is called a “mansion” so we are supposed to be impressed.
January 10th, 2008 at 2:34 pmNope. Not impressed at all. :D
January 10th, 2008 at 2:36 pmZooey. I’m not asking scientists, I’m asking you. If the scientific community came out and said the earth was cooling too rapidly and we need to increase our CO2 emissions (auto emissions, coal plant emissions, cut down trees in the rain forest, etc) to combat it, would you put your support behind it?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 10, 2008 @ 12:20 pm
What an ignorant, pointless, partisan question. You’ve already proven how stupid you are, why are you trying to nail the point home?
January 10th, 2008 at 3:02 pmSorry to be so slow to the party today…..Some one mentiond the natives in Alaska village’s were in favor of the pipe lines…..I would like to see link’s please..Have seen several articles on discovery, filmed, that dispute that…The native’s don’t want the distruction of their hunting land’s and are worried because of the poor track record, oil spill’s and poor maintainance by the oil and gas companie’s.
Next Senator Steven’s is an ass ho*e, criminal, thief for the reich winged bull shit bush bunch…Not only doe’s he not give a crap about polar bear’s he has been behind the arial killing of wolve’s for year’s..He and the gov. of alaska are all together with the mind set of cut it, drill it or kill it..Just like bush/cheney….The pipe line gimmick is just that…If they do drill up there most of what they get out of the ground will be shipped by single hulled barges to Japan…Even if it were to be piped down to the lower state’s it’s only 6 month’s worth of fuel at best…
What they get out of the ground is a drop in the bucket compared to what they will do syphoning money away from our econemy in tax cut’s or almost free land leases….It boggles the mind what distruction it will and can do to the wildlife….Then if they do have oil spill’s like Exxon Valdeze they will spend billion’s of dollers in right off’s for attorney’s instead of clean up..All over our country this administration and it’s stupid supporter’s are taking our wilderness, park’s, and BLM land and giving it away to big corporation’s for profit…..Wildlife and humans are suffering because of this madness……It must stop….Blessings
January 10th, 2008 at 3:46 pmNow, everyone will know that if you continue to make these types of factual errors, you either cannot read, or are merely a liar.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 3:26 pm
You totally missed, as usual, the point we were all trying to make. That is that you don’t live in an actual home with a basement, attick, brick walls and such. You live in a trailer, just as we suspected. Hence the trailer trash behavior. I did not lie and I did not make stuff up we were just going by what you said. I had already looked up the details of your “mansion” and that’s what we all found so amusing. Where I live a mansion starts at about $3 million and has at least 7 bedrooms and 5 baths. Otherwise it’s just a nice house. But then again I don’t come from New Mexico. Remember some of us are from urban areas where real homes cost real money and there’s no room to park 20 vehicles. And yes we are in the auto business not in the trailer home business. And when we tow something it’s a 20 foot boat not our home. See we really don’t have anything in common.
January 10th, 2008 at 4:10 pmNo. Because pipelines are required to be built, operated, and maintained in environmentally responsible manners which do not permanently impact the environment.
Do some research, will ya’?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 3:28 pm
The whole point of the thread numbnuts was that Stevens doesn’t want polar bears rated as endangered so the regulations for building the pipeline are laxer than they would need to be. You are arguing against yourself.
January 10th, 2008 at 4:12 pmIt must stop….Blessings
Comment by Witch1 — January 10, 2008 @ 3:46 pm
Well said #1. Only Bigfoot is arguing and mostly because he doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about.
January 10th, 2008 at 4:14 pmComment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 3:26 pm
This just in — O BigPolluter owns at least seven vehicles, and has been found to be THE cause of global climate change.
Can we ignore this idiot now?
January 10th, 2008 at 4:20 pmBack at ya Shayne,….Yep! I got that after the first post was entered…Perhap’s he should ask TP to put up a thread about park model trailer’s, motor home’s and how many jeep’s one can collect…Then I will join his rant about what’s best….LOL…Blessings
January 10th, 2008 at 4:22 pmGood afternoon Lady Z….Done…….Blessings
January 10th, 2008 at 4:23 pmCan we ignore this idiot now?
Comment by Zooey — January 10, 2008 @ 4:20 pm
Well most in my field have been ignoring such alleged creatures as Bigfoot for years as cryptobiology is not a real branch of the discipline
January 10th, 2008 at 4:37 pmNO!
January 10th, 2008 at 10:45 pmYou can join the conversation on any of several websites I’m on concerning Jeeps, Spartan Homes, Lone Star Boats, Motorhomes, Classic Case tractors, Death Valley, Lands south of El Malpais, etc.
As far as Jeeps goes, I’m a lightweight when it comes to collecting them, but thanks for the honorable mention.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 11:19 pm
There are actually people who would rather sit at keyboards talking about stuff like this rather than get outside and do something?
January 10th, 2008 at 11:32 pmThere’s still only 7 of us in the family, though, so you can rest assured only 7 of them can be running at any given time…unless we bring a few friends.
Comment by 0. Bigfoot — January 10, 2008 @ 11:15 pm
Only 7?!?!
The most effective way for humans to reduce energy consumption, limit green house gases, lessen our impact on the environment etc, etc is to be more responsible with respect to family planning and population growth. A family of 7 leaves one hell of a carbon footprint no matter how much you do to limit consumption and promote the use of alternative energy sources. My apologies if your large family is the result of adoption.
I don’t know what the ideal number is, but clearly six billion plus is putting one hell of a strain on good ol’ mother earth. That’s a quarter of a million humans for every polar bar on this planet!
Keep up the good work, everyone, but let’s not forget population planning. Reversing population growth is THE one sure way to leave the planet in relatively good shape for future generations. Human and otherwise.
January 11th, 2008 at 1:58 pm