Right Wing Propagates New Smear Against Obama, Says He Is Muslim ‘Apostate’ Who Will Be ‘Executed’
Right Wing Propagates New Smear Against Obama, Says He Is Muslim ‘Apostate’ Who Will Be ‘Executed’
Last month, neocon Daniel Pipes published an essay titled “Was Barack Obama a Muslim.” Pipes, an adviser to Rudy Giuliani, posited that there is “a real possibility” that “some Islamists would renounce” Obama as an apostate “and would try to execute him” because of his limited contact with Islam as a child. Politico’s Ben Smith referred to it as “the Muslim smear, version 2.0.”
At a recent Washington Institute forum, U.S. News and World Report columnist Michael Barone quoted Pipes’ specious argument, calling it “a chilling thought,” but concluding that it’s “naive” to “expect the hearts of Muslims around the world are going to be warmed” by the prospect of an Obama presidency.
Council on Foreign Relations Senior Fellow Peter Beinart rebutted Barone and Pipes’ argument, calling it “absurd” and “reprehensible”:
First of all, we should take it as a given that al Qaeda would presumably be very happy to assassinate any American president elected in 2009 and as for the idea that this is somehow a widespread view amongst Muslims as a whole, I don’t know where someone would have gotten that impression.
Watch it:
Beinart is on point when he calls Barone and Pipes’ thinking “absurd.” As Politico’s Smith notes, Pipes’ hypothesis is based on “quibbling with inconsistencies in aides’ accounts of exactly how little contact with Islam Obama had as a child in Indonesia” that “range from very little to none.”
As Beinart notes, “al Qaeda would presumably be very happy to assassinate any American president elected in 2009,” so by pushing the “apostate” line, Pipes and Barone are doing nothing but “branding Obama a Muslim, by a subtler means.”
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These people are ssssoooooo stupid.
January 14th, 2008 at 1:22 pmPipes has always been a racist ideologue. Might as well quote Charlie Manson.
January 14th, 2008 at 1:24 pmThey only smear because they CARE…
January 14th, 2008 at 1:24 pmNothing, it seems, can stop the neocon fanatics from finding ever lower ground to occupy.
January 14th, 2008 at 1:24 pmGood grief. Those reichwing IDIOTS will say ANYTHING.
January 14th, 2008 at 1:25 pmNo, this is just a measured smear campaign to reach every single voter, especially those who are not too bright.
January 14th, 2008 at 1:30 pmLest we forget Obama is related to Dick Cheney
January 14th, 2008 at 1:30 pmI wonder if an archbishop somewhere would like to execute Bush?
January 14th, 2008 at 1:33 pmI already heard this “Obama” is a Muslim who won’t put his hand on his heart for the Pledge of Allegiance story from Republicans I know. We know it’s crazy but it’s reaching it’s target audience.
January 14th, 2008 at 1:34 pm“al Qaeda would presumably be very happy to assassinate any American president elected in 2009,†(beinart)…
and most any redneck, racist usa bigot would be happy to do so
if that president is a black man…
i hear too many comparisons to bobby kennedy for my comfort level…
January 14th, 2008 at 1:35 pmSmells like the far reich is a skeeeeeeeeert!
January 14th, 2008 at 1:36 pmEven if this were true….
Wouldn’t the maddrassas in Indonesia be Wahhabite, the Saudi version of Islam? Isn’t al Qaeda Wahhabist? So how do you get to apostate from there?
January 14th, 2008 at 1:37 pmI have read that Obama’s security detail is almost as tight as Bush’s. To the extent that you can protect anyone who is a leader in a democracy, it is probably being done….but it is not possible to guarantee any public figures safety. I worry about Obama, too.
January 14th, 2008 at 1:38 pmIt’s just easier and safer to assume that all republicans are racists. That goes for the trolls on this site. Make every republican denouce rudy the racist and state, on the record that they are not racist before engaging in any dialogue with them.
January 14th, 2008 at 1:39 pmThey are already prepping us with a list of usual suspects if some thing happens to Barack Obama if he gets too popular.
January 14th, 2008 at 1:40 pmIt’s occurred to me that having Hillary as his VP would probably be helpful to Obama’s long-term health.
January 14th, 2008 at 1:42 pmThat’s if Obama can somehow overcome a mountain of odds and win the nomination of course.
January 14th, 2008 at 1:43 pmIt’s just easier and safer to assume that all republicans are racists. That goes for the trolls on this site. Make every republican denouce rudy the racist and state, on the record that they are not racist before engaging in any dialogue with them.
Comment by Bobwurst — January 14, 2008 @ 1:39 pm
Gee….do you see any irony in this statement? “I’m so bigoted against republicans I demand they denounce bigotry before I will deign to speak with them”? Were you kidding, perhaps?
January 14th, 2008 at 1:48 pmIt seems as if these Cons are trying to plant a seed in some unbalanced idiot’s mind to assassinate Obama.
January 14th, 2008 at 1:49 pmClumber,
You understand strategy. If only more did.
Even if they don’t need it it will be there for them to avail themselves.
January 14th, 2008 at 1:49 pmGee….do you see any irony in this statement? “I’m so bigoted against republicans I demand they denounce bigotry before I will deign to speak with them� Were you kidding, perhaps?
Comment by Keltoi — January 14, 2008 @ 1:48 pm
Calling a BIGOT a BIGOT isn’t BIGOTRY, but REFUSING TO CONDEMN THEM (you) - IS!! TARD!
January 14th, 2008 at 1:50 pmThese people are petty and disgusting. They soil all who associate with them.
January 14th, 2008 at 1:51 pmI think you reserve impeachment for grave, grave breeches, and intentional breeches of the president’s authority,…I believe if we began impeachment proceedings we will be engulfed in more of the politics that has made Washington dysfunction,…We would once again, rather than attending to the people’s business, be engaged in a tit-for-tat, back-and-forth, non-stop circus.â€
- Barack Obama explaining that lying our country to war, outing an undercover CIA agent, illegally wiretapping its citizens and torturing prisoners denied habeas corpus are not grave offenses.
January 14th, 2008 at 1:52 pmI already heard this “Obama†is a Muslim who won’t put his hand on his heart for the Pledge of Allegiance story from Republicans I know. We know it’s crazy but it’s reaching it’s target audience.
Comment by Shayne — January 14, 2008 @ 1:34 pm
Unfortunately, that is still “emailed” routinely, even now. My wife got the infamous email a few weeks ago. Normally, I don’t give a rat’s ass about forwarded emails, but this one pissed me off. I replied to “all” with a link to truthorfiction.com which debunked that myth. I ended with a “send this email to #50 people, and Bill Gates will personally send you a check from Microsoft for $50″
January 14th, 2008 at 1:55 pm(Geez, I hope my wife still has friends)
Obama is an articulate, intelligent, well liked Christian who just happens to be black. This scares the bejebus out of the right, and thus their assault will continue, and the dittoheads will continue to blindly follow.
thus proving that the Democratic voters have affinity for candidates of their own race.
Comment by good_golly — January 14, 2008 @ 1:51 pm
There, fixed that one for you, gratis.
January 14th, 2008 at 1:55 pmAt a recent Washington Institute forum, U.S. News and World Report columnist Michael Barone quoted Pipes’ specious argument, calling it “a chilling thought,†but concluding that it’s “naive†to “expect the hearts of Muslims around the world are going to be warmed†by the prospect of an Obama presidency.
Ummmm …. hmmmm …. even if this were true: And they’re happy with the Dubya fiasco, the Republican right wing, and with the likes of Thompson or Huckabee exactly how now?!?!?
And why should Barone care about “hearts of Muslims”? Is this a new-found concern? Can we expect him to generalise this concern to other issues that might affect the “hearts of Muslims”?
Cheers,
January 14th, 2008 at 1:56 pmWell, Republicans are racists, of course, Keltoi. Anyone thinking that Iraqi people were uncapable of dealing with Saddam is a racist.
January 14th, 2008 at 1:56 pmRASMUSSEN: Clinton leads Obama among white voters 41% to 27%…
Obama leads Clinton among African-American voters 66% to 16%…
thus proving that the Democratic party remains as racist as it ever was.
Comment by good_golly — January 14, 2008 @ 1:51 pm
Ironic coming from a PARTY with NO BLACK CANDIDATES that ANYONE VOTES FOR for President!! ROTFL!!
January 14th, 2008 at 1:56 pmthus proving that the Democratic party remains as racist as it ever was.
Comment by good_googily— January 14, 2008 @ 1:51 pm
Not proof of anything, except that the left tends to be less sexist, if that’s what your striving for!
January 14th, 2008 at 1:56 pmre keltiod the racist:
Since you haven’t renounced the racists in your party one can only assume htat you support their stances, racist.
January 14th, 2008 at 1:57 pmLest we forget Obama is related to Dick Cheney
comment by Xisithrus — January 14, 2008 @ 1:30 pm
Mitake Oyasin
We are all related….
January 14th, 2008 at 2:02 pm….. because they are racist.
Comment by good_golly — January 14, 2008 @ 1:58 pm
You’ll notice that the Democratic Party is the one that actually has a viable presidential candidate who is Black (and won the Iowa caucuses). Also that the Democratic Party is the one that has Congressional members that are Black.
When the Republicans can say either of those things about themselves, get back to us with your moronic little comment.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:03 pmRASMUSSEN: Clinton leads Obama among white voters 41% to 27%…
Obama leads Clinton among African-American voters 66% to 16%…
thus proving that the Democratic party remains as racist as it ever was.
Comment by good_golly — January 14, 2008 @ 1:51 pm
Let’s see you post the numbers for Republican voters.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:04 pmthus proving that the Democratic party remains as racist as it ever was.
Comment by good_golly — January 14, 2008 @ 1:51 pm
Spouting a lie over and over again never makes it true.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:05 pmYou Repukes should have learned that by now.
I have yet to speak with a single repuke that wasn’t a vile subhuman scum sucking neanderturd racist america hating pig, they all have the collective morals and ethics of snakes (sorry mr snake).
Had one repuke this weekend tell me that Bush has never lied, where by I laid out 20 that I could recall right away. He conceded (unusual for a repuke) that yes indeed it appears that Bush has lied many times and that he was listening to Reichwing radio too much.
Buck Fush
January 14th, 2008 at 2:11 pmGee….do you see any irony in this statement? “I’m so bigoted against republicans I demand they denounce bigotry before I will deign to speak with them� Were you kidding, perhaps?
Comment by Keltoi — January 14, 2008 @ 1:48 pm
Sorry, keltoi, but you support the party of racism, homophobia, misogyny and ignorance. Wear it.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:12 pmHow are Alan Keyes’ numbers, goon_golly?
January 14th, 2008 at 2:13 pmLet’s see you post the numbers for Republican voters.
Comment by Zooey — January 14, 2008 @ 2:04 pm
I hope you’re not holding your breath. Nothing says hypocrisy like Republicanism.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:14 pmgood golly is upset that 90% of blacks vote dem. How racist the dems must be!
January 14th, 2008 at 2:15 pmI hope you’re not holding your breath. Nothing says hypocrisy like Republicanism.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — January 14, 2008 @ 2:14 pm
Oh hell no. ;)
January 14th, 2008 at 2:16 pmHe conceded (unusual for a repuke) that yes indeed it appears that Bush has lied many times and that he was listening to Reichwing radio too much.
Comment by Buckie Boy
Keltoi also conceded that Bush lied. He said that that was something all politicians do. Tell that to a million dead Iraqis.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:16 pmHe said that that was something all politicians do. Tell that to a million dead Iraqis.
Comment by Juan C. — January 14, 2008 @ 2:16 pm
to keltoi, that’s the same as lies about a blowjob.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:17 pmThis is a “major coup” for this democracy! Kucinich will get his “recount” in New Hampshire - hoorah!! Check it out: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ kirsten-anderson/ request-for-nh-recount-gr_b_81306.html
January 14th, 2008 at 2:19 pmhow low will they go?
January 14th, 2008 at 2:20 pmThe glaring discrepancy between districts with hand counted ballots and Sylvestro’s hacked computers will be “outed” now!! Blackboxvoting.org has the skinny on why Sylvestro was recently in court in New Hampshire and his easily hacked (10 minutes tops!) Opti Scan Vote Counting Machines.
This will keep the Reptards honest! They tried their “initial run” in New Hampshire to steal Obama’s votes and send them to Hillary because she will be the easiest one to discredit via swiftboating. Essentially, the GOP knows that if Hillary is the candidate, they will win the election after her skeletons are paraded out of the closet.
Anyone else noticing how incredibly MUM the reichwingnuts have been on Whitewater and Vince Foster? Now why would that be when they loathe Hillary so much?? It’s part of Rove’s “NEW PLAN”, that’s why.
What these sickos failed to do is to at least make the results between the actual votes and exit polls skewed just a little on the Republican side….oops! Big mistake which is now going to cost them the 08 election!
Couldn’t happen to a more deserving gang of thugs, liars, & crooks!
January 14th, 2008 at 2:22 pm“Was Obama A Muslim?”
I love it how they pose this as a question. You could pose a question about anyone and use it to insinuate something about them. You could ask “Was Rudy Giuliana a formerly a man and did he have a sex change?” See how easy it is? I didn’t say he had a sex change. I just asked the question. Fox News uses this moronic way to bash people and cast them in a false light on a regular basis.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:23 pm#32 ” .. because they are racist.” Comment by good_golly — January 14, 2008 @ 1:58 pm
Which only proves that the Republican party has gotten much more racist over the years. Remember when the “Dixiecrats” left the Democratic party and joined the Republican party?
Republicans: increasing their entrenched racism by enlisting one racist person at a time! ;-)
January 14th, 2008 at 2:25 pmWell, Republicans are racists, of course, Keltoi. Anyone thinking that Iraqi people were uncapable of dealing with Saddam is a racist.
Comment by Juan C. — January 14, 2008 @ 1:56 pm
Or they had been dwelling on Planet Earth for the last 30 years and watched his police state murder any who opposed him.
Y’know Juan, Gummitch, I am really disappointed in you guys. SURELY you can see the prejudicial and bigoted nature of the statement “all republicans are racist”? Have I ever written anything that is racist? Have I not continually lauded Obama?
Both parties have plusess and minus on the question of race. Both of Bush’s Secretaries of State were black, but of course that doesn’t count, right?
January 14th, 2008 at 2:28 pmBoth parties have plusess and minus on the question of race.
Comment by Keltoi — January 14, 2008 @ 2:28 pm
Thats why your Republican candidates are shunning the “Black and Brown” debates, huh?
January 14th, 2008 at 2:31 pmOr they had been dwelling on Planet Earth for the last 30 years and watched his police state murder any who opposed him.
Comment by Keltoi
Huh? Let me see if I follow. They are willing NOW to kill themselves to drive the foreign forces and the political rivals away, but they were too afraid of Saddam back then? Suuuuure.
Y’know Juan, Gummitch, I am really disappointed in you guys.
Comment by Keltoi
That’s the story of my life.
BTW, I wasn’t talking about members of the Party, I was speking about common people…voters.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:35 pmRepublicans used to be the champions of civil rights. Eisenhower sponsored the Civil Rights legislation of 1957 and 1960. The important Civil Rights Act of 1964 actually had more Republicans voting for it than Democrats. The problem was that Goldwater didn’t vote for the 1964 Civil Rights Act and, as a result, became the first Republican to win in the South since Reconstruction. He won several Southern States in the 1964 Presidential election. He didn’t win any other states except for Arizona. Since 1964, the racist Democrats in the South began switching to the GOP and the Southern Strategy began, which was perfected under Ronald Reagan.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:36 pm#48. The “?” as used by Fox News, is officially know as the “cavuto” due to it’s prominent place on his show. Neil Cavuto often hides behind his racist, bigotted, inflamatory opinions by adding a cavuto at the end.
http://www.videosift.com/ video/ New-punctuation-mark-the-cavuto-daily-show-clip
January 14th, 2008 at 2:39 pmBoth parties have plusess and minus on the question of race. Both of Bush’s Secretaries of State were black, but of course that doesn’t count, right?
Comment by Keltoi — January 14, 2008 @ 2:28 pm
Uh huh, and he really listened to what they had to say — of course, Condi isn’t even doing the job, so no need to listen.
Who’s the racist? Seems he lives in the White House.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:41 pm>>Huh? Let me see if I follow. They are willing NOW to kill themselves to drive the foreign forces and the political rivals away, but they were too afraid of Saddam back then? Suuuuure.
I guess I missed all the successful revolutions overthrowing Saddam…
>>BTW, I wasn’t talking about members of the Party, I was speking about common people…voters.
Comment by Juan C. — January 14, 2008 @ 2:35 pm
I don’t understand.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:42 pmY’know Juan, Gummitch, I am really disappointed in you guys. SURELY you can see the prejudicial and bigoted nature of the statement “all republicans are racist� Have I ever written anything that is racist? Have I not continually lauded Obama?
Both parties have plusess and minus on the question of race. Both of Bush’s Secretaries of State were black, but of course that doesn’t count, right?
Comment by Keltoi — January 14, 2008 @ 2:28 pm
I was thinking about a response, Keltoi, that specifically addressed the issue. It is true that “all Republicans are racists” is ridiculous. What I have been having trouble with is the general sense of the comment, that the Republian party is the party of “homophobia, misogyny and ignorance”, as well as racism. The problem is that much of that hyperbole is true; the Republican Party has indeed stained itself repeatedly on all these issues.
Individual Republicans are certainly not racist, homophobic, no-nothing tools. But the Republican party too often has placed itself on that side of issues and has relied on racist, homphobic no-nothing tools for votes.
Bush’s SoS were appointees, Keltoi. They were not elected by Republicans. I suspect that either of them could have gotten elected to some position by Republicans, and always thought Powell would have been an excellent Presidential candidate before he permanently stained his own credibility. But the fact also remains that there are no Black Republicans in Congress, and haven’t been any for a long time. The only Black Republican Senator in the 20th Century left in 1979. There were 3 or 4 Congressmen in that same period, the rest were all from the 19th Century.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:44 pmPipes added: “By the way, 9/11.”
January 14th, 2008 at 2:45 pmI guess I missed all the successful revolutions overthrowing Saddam…
Comment by Keltoi
Exactly.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:45 pmI don’t understand.
Comment by Keltoi
Republicans…people who call themselves Republicans. They are racists. They supported the invasion of a country full of “helpless bunch of barbarians that couldn’t overthrow Saddam”
of course, Condi isn’t even doing the job, so no need to listen.
Comment by Zooey — January 14, 2008 @ 2:41 pm
But she has time to buy lots of new shoes…..
we have Imelda Marcos as Sec. of State…….
January 14th, 2008 at 2:46 pmSince 1964, the racist Democrats in the South began switching to the GOP
Comment by Starve-A-Bush_Feed-A-Beaver — January 14, 2008 @ 2:36 pm
Except Senator Byrd, of course.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:50 pmThe proper question is, “If Obama were to be elected, do you think he would kill all of the Supreme Court Justices to replace them with Muslims, or just enough to get a majority?”
As soon as Obama appeared to be the front-runner I received the same email from two different sources (if you didn’t get any, thank your lucky stars your family didn’t marry into a throwback redneck family and expose you to this crap) that claim that Obama is a Muslim and will overthrow the USA from within. It’s a measure of how threatened the right wingers are to be slamming Obama, and it’s also a measure of the ethical nature of these pukes.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:51 pmRepublicans…people who call themselves Republicans. They are racists. They supported the invasion of a country full of “helpless bunch of barbarians that couldn’t overthrow Saddamâ€
Comment by Juan C. — January 14, 2008 @ 2:45 pm
Oh, Come on, Juan! The Germans couldn’t overthrow Hitler, the Chinese couldn’t overthrow Mao and the Japanese couldn’t overthrow Tojo! Race has nothing to do with it, you are completely injecting it vis-a-vis Iraq.
Painting any group of people with a single brush stroke is prejudice and there is no way around it. Saying all Republicans are racist is bigotry pure and simple.
And Zooey, your point about Powell and Rice is rather weak. They are the only black Secretaries of State in US history and they were appointed by a Republican, spin it all you like.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:54 pmthat claim that Obama is a Muslim and will overthrow the USA from within. It’s a measure of how threatened the right wingers are to be slamming Obama, and it’s also a measure of the ethical nature of these pukes.
Comment by nanlichi — January 14, 2008 @ 2:51 pm
Well the problem is that the right wingers HAVE tried to overthrow the USA from within under the guise of evangelical christians, so it doesn’t come as a surprise that they think muslim’s would do the same thing. Of course, #1, they haven’t completed the overthrow just yet and #2, Obama is not muslim.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:56 pmExcept Senator Byrd, of course.
Comment by Keltoi — January 14, 2008 @ 2:50 pm
who, of course, apologized and recanted, admitting his views were wrong. unlike your party’s Strom Thurmond types. sorry, keltoi, you can’t win this one. Republicans have done everything they can to marginalize black citizens for decades now. that’s just a fact. Wear it.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:57 pmBoth of Bush’s Secretaries of State were black, but of course that doesn’t count, right?
Comment by Keltoi
And Daddy Bush nominated Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court. Just because some appointees have been African American doesn’t mean they support the cause. I would say Powell is more liberal than the other two and still has redeemable qualities. Powell would have been forced out by Bush if he hadn’t resigned. Condi is basically and first of all a long-time crony who rubberstamps whatever her Chimp does; whatever race she happens to be is secondary. Clarence Thomas doesn’t support civil rights issues. While he was at Harvard, according to his former business professor, George Bush didn’t support social legislation and said that poor people were poor because they were lazy.
January 14th, 2008 at 3:00 pmThere were 3 or 4 Congressmen in that same period, the rest were all from the 19th Century.
Comment by gummitch — January 14, 2008 @ 2:44 pm
I do not deny that blacks tend to be Democrats, that is obviously true. And look at what happened to Steele in Maryland when he dared to run as a Repbulican - he was pelted with Oriole cookies by crowds of black democrats.
Race is such a toxic issue in America, and this Obama-is-a-Muslim thing is total crap, but one dose of bigotry does not justify another.
Thank you for clarifying your position, gummitch.
January 14th, 2008 at 3:02 pmNature Rules, I agree on both points. These emails came from evangelicals too, and I think facts and evangelicals are like oil and water. Check out snopes.com for examples of these ridiculous emails.
January 14th, 2008 at 3:02 pmAfter all of Bush’s “success” in winning the minds and hearts of the Muslims and Arabs over the past 7 years, it would be a real shame for Obama to come along and undo all the good work……
But, but, but, maybe Obama could woo Karen Hughes out of retirement to carry on the efforts. Yeah, that’s the ticket!
January 14th, 2008 at 3:03 pmRice and Powell were failures as SecState, which is why they were appointed. insidious racism, show the “base’ that blacks are incapable of doing the job by appointing them, then cutting them off at the knees. The party of racism will stop at nothing to try to keep that neadertal, evil philosophy alive, as they proved in the last several elections. Republicans would have backed King George.
January 14th, 2008 at 3:04 pmI stand corrected on one point. There was one Black Republican representative from 1995-2003, from Oklahoma. And one from Connecticut from 1991-1997. Alabama had one for two years, 1979-1981. Interesting to note that Illinois had a Black Republic Representative from 1929-1935. Other than that, you have to go back to Reconstruction. Seriously.
January 14th, 2008 at 3:05 pmhe was pelted with Oriole cookies by crowds of black democrats.
Oreo cookies, geebus, cookies shaped like a bird could hurt!
January 14th, 2008 at 3:06 pm:}
Of all the recent “attacks” against Obama, this is by far the most credible one. It also makes me hesitant to support him, even in the general election.
VIDEO - Barack Obama & Iraq
January 14th, 2008 at 3:08 pmhttp://services.redlasso.com/ svc/ clip/ playClip?fid=980890fe-9b73-4b99-b391-d2accda7b689
Oreo cookies, geebus, cookies shaped like a bird could hurt!
:}
Comment by RUCerious — January 14, 2008 @ 3:06 pm
It was Maryland, after all. Maybe they were Oriole cookies.
I realize that it’s only fiction, but everything I’ve read about The Wire has said that it presents a very accurate picture of life in Baltimore, and to some extent, Maryland. It’s clear that race is a huge issue in the area and the connection to political party as pronounced as it could possibly be.
January 14th, 2008 at 3:13 pmDon’t always believe what you are fed there, Keltoi.
January 14th, 2008 at 3:14 pmThe pelted with Oreos has never been fully verified.
There must be a “shame” gene that these creeps lack!
January 14th, 2008 at 3:26 pmhe was pelted with Oriole cookies by crowds of black democrats.
keltio
http://www.wtopnews.com/ index.php?nid=428&sid=6228
Typical.
January 14th, 2008 at 3:29 pm“It’s a measure of how threatened the right wingers are to be slamming Obama…”
Comment by nanlichi — January 14, 2008 @ 2:51 pm
I suppose it’s a good thing for the Obama supporters that the righties are looking this desperate — it shows that Obama has become a major contender.
What’s sad is that playing race and religion cards still works in this country. Maybe someday there won’t be enough Americans who care about the race and/or religion of a candidate for this strategy to gain any traction. I can always hope.
January 14th, 2008 at 3:30 pmOh, Come on, Juan! The Germans couldn’t overthrow Hitler, the Chinese couldn’t overthrow Mao and the Japanese couldn’t overthrow Tojo! Race has nothing to do with it, you are completely injecting it vis-a-vis Iraq.
Exactly, how come the US decides which country’s regime have to change and which one hasn’t? Why not China or North Korea?
Saying all Republicans are racist is bigotry pure and simple.
Comment by Keltoi
I agree. I overstepped, however, I still think that people who think that invading Iraq to overthrew Saddam’s regime is racist, cause that means Iraqis are unable to solve their own problems, which as far as we know, they have been pretty tough in order to survive 5,000 years.
January 14th, 2008 at 3:32 pmIf I were Obama, I would be a lot more worried about people like Daniel Pipes.
Also, please Barak, don’t fly in any small planes.
January 14th, 2008 at 3:46 pmSaying all Republicans are racist is bigotry pure and simple.
Comment by Keltoi
I agree. I overstepped,
Comment by Juan C.
Yes, I’m sure that some Republicans even have a black friend.
January 14th, 2008 at 3:49 pm#76 Lefty Patriot - I agree, but don’t forget Gonzo (incompetent Hispanic), and John Yoo (Sadistic Oriental), and ALL the women he’s had in his administration, they’ve proven incapable of anything other than grossly misplaced hero-worship .
January 14th, 2008 at 3:53 pmI do not deny that blacks tend to be Democrats, that is obviously true. And look at what happened to Steele in Maryland when he dared to run as a Repbulican - he was pelted with Oriole cookies by crowds of black democrats. Comment by Keltoi — January 14, 2008 @ 3:02 pm
ROTFL!!! Did you mean Oreo cookies? Oriole cookies would be Baseball Cookies!! ROTFL!! You do realize that this story was DISCREDITED and in fact was SPREAD by the CRAZY STEELE himself? Right? Wow you RACIST TARDS are DUBM!
Race is such a toxic issue in America, and this Obama-is-a-Muslim thing is total crap, but one dose of bigotry does not justify another.
Thank you for clarifying your position, gummitch.
Comment by Keltoi — January 14, 2008 @ 3:02 pm
Unfortunately the RACIST CRAP keeps COMING FROM YOUR BIGOTED CONSERVATIVE CAMP! And it’s WHY you get labeled as ALL RACISTS, because YOU KEEP SUPPORTING RACIST POLITICIANS and POLITICS!
January 14th, 2008 at 3:55 pmI do not deny that blacks tend to be Democrats, that is obviously true. And look at what happened to Steele in Maryland when he dared to run as a Repbulican - he was pelted with Oriole cookies by crowds of black democrats.
Comment by Keltoi — January 14, 2008 @ 3:02 pm
Keltoi, I recognize that you try to be reasonable here, but you’re on the wrong side of this issue.
By saying that “Both parties have plusess and minus on the question of race” and trying to insinuate a moral equivalency, you are being either dishonest or obtuse.
But your citation of the long-debunked “oreo-pelting” story is laughable. It never happened.
January 14th, 2008 at 3:56 pmhttp://www.wtopnews.com/ index.php?nid=428&sid=6228
Typical.
Comment by Bobwurst — January 14, 2008 @ 3:29 pm
What was this link to? A radio station?
If the oreo story was untrue, I’d be happy, I thought that incredibly vile. But the story is at least apocryphal. I have heard black liberals (Julian Bonds, Harry Bellafonte) accuse blacks who are Republicans of being traitors, house slaves, Uncle Toms, etc. It happens, and it is wrong.
Again, racism and bigotry exist in both parties and among all races. It is wrong no matter who is doing it.
January 14th, 2008 at 3:57 pmThe Pipes of Rudy began to smell….
January 14th, 2008 at 3:59 pmThis was the same link Bobwurst was trying to send me but it came through.
“I’ve never claimed that I was hit, no. The one or two that I saw at my feet were there. I just happened to look down and see them,” Steele said.
Coombs said the paper stands by its reports and thinks the Oreo cookie incident is a diversion from the real story of a double standard on racism in the democratic party. ”
Maybe some oreos just fell out of the sky. But the story is a diversion either way from a real issue.
January 14th, 2008 at 4:00 pmWhat was this link to? A radio station?
If the oreo story was untrue, I’d be happy, I thought that incredibly vile. But the story is at least apocryphal. I have heard black liberals (Julian Bonds, Harry Bellafonte) accuse blacks who are Republicans of being traitors, house slaves, Uncle Toms, etc. It happens, and it is wrong.
Again, racism and bigotry exist in both parties and among all races. It is wrong no matter who is doing it.
Comment by Keltoi — January 14, 2008 @ 3:57 pm
Did you bother to follow the link and read it?
Sure, black liberals speak badly of black conservatives. How is that racist? Is it racist when Thomas Sowell talks about “black rednecks”?
Once again, you try to use to false equivalency by saying that “racism and bigotry exist in both parties and among all races”. The fact that it exists among both prties doesn’t say anything about which party has made greater use of its emotional power to help it win elections.
January 14th, 2008 at 4:04 pmMaybe some oreos just fell out of the sky. But the story is a diversion either way from a real issue.
Comment by Keltoi — January 14, 2008 @ 4:00 pm
But you used the story as evidence of the racism inherent in the Democratic party. AND IT WASN’T TRUE. So were YOU using it as a diversion from “a real issue”?
January 14th, 2008 at 4:06 pmIf the oreo story was untrue, I’d be happy, I thought that incredibly vile. But the story is at least apocryphal. I have heard black liberals (Julian Bonds, Harry Bellafonte) accuse blacks who are Republicans of being traitors, house slaves, Uncle Toms, etc. It happens, and it is wrong. Comment by Keltoi — January 14, 2008 @ 3:57 pm
What’s WRONG? Calling them WHAT THEY ARE, or BEING A TRAITOR by SUPPORTING A RACIST PARTY?
Again, racism and bigotry exist in both parties and among all races. It is wrong no matter who is doing it.
Comment by Keltoi — January 14, 2008 @ 3:57 pm
The difference is that in the REPUBLICANS - RACISM IS THE NORM! Dum bass!
January 14th, 2008 at 4:07 pmCoombs said the paper stands by its reports and thinks the Oreo cookie incident is a diversion from the real story of a double standard on racism in the democratic party. â€
Maybe some oreos just fell out of the sky. But the story is a diversion either way from a real issue.
Comment by Keltoi — January 14, 2008 @ 4:00 pm
ROTFL!! The guy LIED to play the RACE CARD - PERIOD! He was CAUGHT LYING, and instead of admitting it, JUST LIED MORE!
The DOUBLE STANDARD of RACISM is a BULLSH*T argument just like ALL OF YOUR ARGUMENTS and those of your FELLOW RACIST. STFU you STUPID LITTLE PIG!
January 14th, 2008 at 4:08 pmralph, remember Willie R. Horton?
January 14th, 2008 at 4:09 pmAgain, racism and bigotry exist in both parties and among all races. It is wrong no matter who is doing it.
Comment by Keltoi — January 14, 2008 @ 3:57 pm
Last time I checked, it was a VERY WHITE STATE (Iowa) that just voted for a BLACK MAN in the Democratic party. And they didn’t do it because he was LYING about being PELTED with COOKIES! How does that compare with your FELLOW RACIST REPUBLICANS? The party of STUPID OLD RACIST WHITE MEN?
Keltoi, you’re such an IDIOT!
January 14th, 2008 at 4:10 pmSteele first claimed he was HIT by cookies, then he claimed that Cookies were AT HIS FEET, neither of which was substantiated by ANY WITNESSES! Keltoi, why do you INSIST on SMEARING DEMOCRATS when it’s OBVIOUS that the MAN LIED? Why are YOU SUCH A LIAR?
January 14th, 2008 at 4:12 pmBut you used the story as evidence of the racism inherent in the Democratic party. AND IT WASN’T TRUE. So were YOU using it as a diversion from “a real issue�
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — January 14, 2008 @ 4:06 pm
Honestly? I had not heard the story was debunked. I learn such neat things here.
BUT - surely you would agree both parties use race to whatever advantage they can? They appeal to different segments of ethnicity, but it is not just whites that are racist.
January 14th, 2008 at 4:13 pmWhat was this link to? A radio station?
If the oreo story was untrue, I’d be happy, I thought that incredibly vile. But the story is at least apocryphal.
Keltoi”
Yes, the link is to the all news radio station in DC. As in NEWS.
It is aprocryphal, but that just means it’s a false story that people think is true. like Reagan’s Caddy driving Welfare queen, since the thread is about racist republicans and the racists who love them. You can deny that you’re a racist all you want, but you support and defend the leaders in the republican party who consistantly commited acts of racism. that makes you a racist. Don’t like it, tough noogies. Deal with it. these are rules from the republican playbook.
Y’know Juan, Gummitch, I am really disappointed in you guys. SURELY you can see the prejudicial and bigoted nature of the statement “all republicans are racist� Have I ever written anything that is racist? Have I not continually lauded Obama?
January 14th, 2008 at 4:15 pmHonestly? I had not heard the story was debunked. I learn such neat things here. Comment by Keltoi — January 14, 2008 @ 4:13 pm
That’s because you’re an IDIOT CONSERVATIVE that will BELIEVE ANY SMEAR that your FELLOW CONSERVATIVES THROW OUT! Then when you KEEP - OVER AND OVER AND OVER - FINDING OUT that they’re LIARS, you JUSTIFY, RATIONALIZE and IGNORE that you BELONG TO A PARTY OF LIARS!
BUT - surely you would agree both parties use race to whatever advantage they can? They appeal to different segments of ethnicity, but it is not just whites that are racist.
Comment by Keltoi — January 14, 2008 @ 4:13 pm
The DIFFERENCE is that Democrats use RACE as a REALITY CARD, instead of a SMEAR CARD! MORON!
January 14th, 2008 at 4:15 pmSURELY you can see the prejudicial and bigoted nature of the statement “all republicans are racist� Have I ever written anything that is racist? Have I not continually lauded Obama?
Comment by Bobwurst — January 14, 2008 @ 4:15 pm
If Republicans keep SUPPORTING RACIST LEADERS, then they are IMPLICITLY RACISTS whether they LIKE IT OR NOT!
January 14th, 2008 at 4:16 pmHonestly? I had not heard the story was debunked. I learn such neat things here.
BUT - surely you would agree both parties use race to whatever advantage they can? They appeal to different segments of ethnicity, but it is not just whites that are racist.
Comment by Keltoi — January 14, 2008 @ 4:13 pm
Of course both parties use race to whatever advantage they can. That’s politics. But HOW they use it is very telling. You keep insisting (or at least insinuating) that Democrats are just as racist as Republicans, and then you support it by saying that “both parties use race to whatever advantage they can”. Those two statements are not the same.
It’s pretty clearly established that Republicans have thrived in the South and rural America for a generation by exploiting racial fears among the white majority.
Answer honestly: if you were a white supremacist, with which party would you feel more comfortable?
January 14th, 2008 at 4:21 pmyes rhf, but the rethugs will never admit to it will they? They complain that calling them on being intolerant is intolerance. They complain that not being able to attack other people’s religion attacks their religion. They profit from the bigotry of the leaders and then whine when they’re called bigots.
It’s like saying that you’re a vegetarian if you eat meat as long as someone else butchers the cow.
January 14th, 2008 at 4:23 pmYou can deny that you’re a racist all you want, but you support and defend the leaders in the republican party who consistantly commited acts of racism. that makes you a racist. Don’t like it, tough noogies.
Comment by Bobwurst — January 14, 2008 @ 4:15 pm
Sorry, Bobwurst, you can keep your noogies. Being a racist makes you a racist, and I am not one. If/when poltical leaders of either party, be they Trent Lott or Jesse Jackson, do or say racist things, I oppose them.
You got me on this topic by just blithely saying “let’s assume all conservatives are racist”. That is a silly position to hold and reveals your own prejudice if you really think that.
January 14th, 2008 at 4:24 pm>>It’s pretty clearly established that Republicans have thrived in the South and rural America for a generation by exploiting racial fears among the white majority.
And the Dems have done the same thing but among the black minority.
Mayor Nagin:”New Orleans will be a chocolate city”.
>>Answer honestly: if you were a white supremacist, with which party would you feel more comfortable?
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — January 14, 2008 @ 4:21 pm
Well, obviously the Republicans. And if you were a member of La Raza or the Black Panthers, you would belong to which party…?
January 14th, 2008 at 4:28 pm“If/when poltical leaders of either party, be they Trent Lott or Jesse Jackson, do or say racist things, I oppose them.
Kelty”
So you opposed the vote caging that went on in Florida in 2000? You spoke out when in 2004, the polling places in Ohio where blacks vote were undermanned and underequipped? How exactly did you oppose what Trent Lott said about Strom Thurmond?
January 14th, 2008 at 4:28 pmKeltoi, I agree with you that it’s a silly and indefensible position to hold that “all conservatives are racist”.
And you have a good point that there are many black leaders who are racist, too.
But whatever trace elements of racism that exist in liberal support for minorities and the poor (who tend to be minorities in greater percentages) is far outweighed by conservative support for policies that perpetuate the racial and income divide, which favors the largely white establishment.
Add to that, the legacy and continuing implementation of Nixon’s Southern Strategy, and you really don’t have a strong case to make.
January 14th, 2008 at 4:33 pmBeing a racist makes you a racist, and I am not one.
Comment by Keltoi
It’s been my experience that people who are truly not racist, seldom, if ever, feel compelled to make that statment.
January 14th, 2008 at 4:34 pmHumans are xenophobic. It’s our nature and no group is free of it. However, modern Republicans seem to be particularly prone to running campaigns, and setting policy, based on fear of “different” people. Blacks, Scientists, Muslims, “illegal immigrants”, gays, “Arabs”, atheists and everyone who is distinguished from their narrow group are fair game. It’s especially educational when they turn on one of their own, usually, for being “too librul” about some inconsequential point of dogma or a sex scandal.
Indeed, they are a group which takes xenophobia to a new, and extreme, level in American cultural history. Though they are far from unique I can’t think of a previous movement in American history which combined the power and narrowness of the neocons who control today’s Republican Party. They are just new members of a very old group which follows a simple code:
“Kill what you hate. Hate what you fear. Fear what you do not understand.”
While much of this xenophobia is manifested as racism, it’s not always the case. However, virtually every failed decision of the Bush administration can be seen as fear based. People who are dumb with fright keep getting other stupid, frightened, xenophobic, people (including well-meaning voters) to pursue disastrous policies like offensive military action against foreign criminals resulting in the indefinite occupation of a hostile nation X2.
Their greed makes them “want it all” while their fear insures they will never “get it all” and the same can be said for all the frightened fools who think Bushco has made them safer. They have let their fear justify offensive war against, and internal persecution of, “Them”. And there are more of “Them” every day.
The sad fact is that Obama falls into the “them” category for plenty of people, regardless of ideology. Lots of people who consider themselves fairly liberal would probably vote against him based on race even if they preferred him in other respects. And, one would assume, he is probably a higher risk target than most candidates. Oddly, his esteemed opponent, Mrs. Clinton may be one of the few people who may be more hated. The fact that neither is a white man probably puts them at an elevated risk and that isn’t likely to change in the foreseeable future of Western Civilization. I wonder how much of the huge amount of money they collect is spent on additional private security?
January 14th, 2008 at 4:36 pmit is not just whites that are racist.
Comment by Keltoi
Consider the history of America….
January 14th, 2008 at 4:36 pmThe statement you make above makes you look very ignorant…..the only country besides America where this would make you look more ignorant might be South Africa….you’re not being perfectly honest are you?
It’s been my experience that people who are truly not racist, seldom, if ever, feel compelled to make that statment.
Comment by shoeless — January 14, 2008 @ 4:34 pm
True! Same with Larry Craig’s gayness. But I am compelled to defend myself from blatantly false accusations. I am a moderate conservative; I am not a racist.
January 14th, 2008 at 4:37 pmit is not just whites that are racist.
Comment by Keltoi
I mean seriously, when did a black man have the power to play the race card against a white man. If on the other hand you are talking about black on black racism then it even makes less sense….
January 14th, 2008 at 4:38 pmit is not just whites that are racist.
Comment by Keltoi
this is like saying it’s not just the Nazi’s that are facists….
January 14th, 2008 at 4:40 pmAnd the Dems have done the same thing but among the black minority.
Mayor Nagin:â€New Orleans will be a chocolate cityâ€.
Umm… Ray Nagin was a registered Republican until he realkized that a Democrat couldn’t get elected to the mayorship in New Orleans.
And your attempt at equivalency fails again, since the white majority is
a) more powerful socially than the black minority and
b) more useful as a constituency in elections, since it is, y’know, a majority.
Well, obviously the Republicans. And if you were a member of La Raza or the Black Panthers, you would belong to which party…?
Comment by Keltoi — January 14, 2008 @ 4:28 pm
Again, what percentage of the population, even of the Latino or black population is accounted for through these groups? Comparable maybe to the Aryan Nation? Or the Christian Identity movement?
January 14th, 2008 at 4:40 pmI’ll throw in my mea culpa here. It is a stretch to claim that “all” conservatives are racist. But conservatives, neocons especially, have been using the basic claim I made initially against all their opposition through-out the bush years. exchange racist with terrorist coddler, or “hate the troops” or any number of things. How many calls were there for all muslims to speak out against bin laden?
And, you and yours have profited from the racist acts of your leadership. There is quite a discussion going on right now among the dems about the race issue between Hillary and Obama. Point to a similar discussion that took place within the republican party. The closest one that I can think of came in one of your early debates between Rudy and Romney about who loved Gitmo more.
January 14th, 2008 at 4:41 pmSorry. I meant that Nagin was a registered Republican until he realized that ONLY a Democrat could get elected to the mayorship of NO…
January 14th, 2008 at 4:41 pmit is not just whites that are racist.
Comment by Keltoi
Consider the history of America….
The statement you make above makes you look very ignorant…..the only country besides America where this would make you look more ignorant might be South Africa….you’re not being perfectly honest are you?
Comment by Fred — January 14, 2008 @ 4:36 pm
My statement is true. How can a true statement make me look ignorant?
Look, I am Irish, okay? Put me next to a German and we look identical. But only 100 years ago my Grandfather was forced to drop the Mc from his name so he could get a job because he was a drunken Catholic Mick. I understand discrimination. I also teach AP US History - I have a thorough understanding of race in America. My original point was to refute Bobwursts bigoted statement about conservatives.
January 14th, 2008 at 4:43 pmMy original point was to refute Bobwursts bigoted statement about conservatives.
Comment by Keltoi
I don’t think you are going to be able to get any breeze under that flag…..we have mostly lived too long and seen too much. conservatives in America are for the most part…..largly, undeniably racists, towards blacks, latino’s, etc…..
January 14th, 2008 at 4:46 pmI also teach AP US History
Comment by Keltoi
I also find it odd that you consider yourself a conservative yet you make your living from the public dole. A socialist program if you will….that is if you teach public school.
January 14th, 2008 at 4:48 pmLook, Keltoi, you have two major political parties in this country.
One is largely, monolithically white in its membership.
The other is known as the political home to the African-American minority and large percentages of the Latino minority, yet whites still make up the greater part of the party membership.
Which is going to feel safer exploiting racial divisions in its campaign strategy?
January 14th, 2008 at 4:52 pmI also find it odd that you consider yourself a conservative yet you make your living from the public dole. A socialist program if you will….that is if you teach public school.
Comment by Fred — January 14, 2008 @ 4:48 pm
Easy, Fred. No need to insult Keltoi as being a hypocrite when we don’t know his attitude toward education policy.
It’s not fair to tar him with the most extreme views of other conservatives in an effort to put him in a bad light. After all, some conservatives even support public education.
January 14th, 2008 at 4:54 pmBush lite corporatist Hillary has a role in the Obama bashing… let us never forget the friendship between Bill and Bush Sr. And let us NEVER forget Bush Sr. words: New World Order… click here to hear for yourself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbRp7xlhgbo
January 14th, 2008 at 4:55 pmI also find it odd that you consider yourself a conservative yet you make your living from the public dole. A socialist program if you will….that is if you teach public school.
Comment by Fred — January 14, 2008 @ 4:48 pm
Easy, Fred. No need to insult Keltoi as being a hypocrite when we don’t know his attitude toward education policy.
It’s not fair to tar him with the most extreme views of other conservatives in an effort to put him in a bad light. After all, some conservatives even support public education.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama
Fair enough.
January 14th, 2008 at 4:59 pmFirst, I disagree with Pipes’ argument. But why are we so intolerant of what really amounts to a thought exercise? The misleading headline makes it seem as though Pipes is saying Obama is an apostate, when in fact the claim is that Obama might be vulnerable to verbal - and potentially physical - attack from extremists who view him that way. And so while his argument might be wrong, isn’t it something we can ponder without being so reactionary about it? Even Ben Smith, who is used to support TP’s case here, suggests that Pipes could be acting as innocently as Bob Kerrey was.
January 14th, 2008 at 5:23 pmThen, of course, there are the ones who “think” like this.
http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=LvtFaPslA_o&feature=related
January 14th, 2008 at 5:23 pmThere are many conservatives working for the goverment you ass!
Comment by Southern Man — January 14, 2008 @ 5:23 pm
Solidifying their hypocrisy. We don’t need the ignorance, racism and backwardsness of conservative traitors in the classroom. Shame on you for selling out your principles!
January 14th, 2008 at 5:28 pmSo only the racist democrats left the party? All of the non racist dems stayed in the party? Moron.
Comment by Southern Man — January 14, 2008 @ 5:18 pm
More idiocy from the idiot. If you want to see the problem with public education, he’s right here, the Southern Fool.
January 14th, 2008 at 5:30 pmEven Ben Smith, who is used to support TP’s case here, suggests that Pipes could be acting as innocently as Bob Kerrey was.
Comment by thirdparty — January 14, 2008 @ 5:23 pm
Do you have any more LSD? it’s been a long time.
January 14th, 2008 at 5:31 pmComment by CaptainMantastic — January 14, 2008 @ 5:32 pm
Two rightwing writers would never try to muddy the waters, now, would they? More hit pieces from the GOP treason party. Nice try, moron.
January 14th, 2008 at 5:38 pmRASMUSSEN: Clinton leads Obama among white voters 41% to 27%…
Obama leads Clinton among African-American voters 66% to 16%…
thus proving that the Democratic party remains as racist as it ever was.
Comment by good_golly
You know goon_golly, if you ever expect us to take you seriously you need to link to proof of what you say. I went to the Rasmussen site so that I could see in what context this poll was taken and could not find any evidence of there being a poll on this subject.
Let’s assume that everything goon_golly says is a lie unless he links to something that proves what he is saying is the truth. And as such, don’t respond to his lies.
January 14th, 2008 at 5:58 pmIn the Washington Post interview
Comment by CaptainMantastic
that’s all we need to know about your post cap.
January 14th, 2008 at 5:58 pm138
January 14th, 2008 at 6:00 pmWe knew they were lies when he posted them…..the numbers are way off.
Shaheen could have worked for 1970’s television as an African American casting agent.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 14, 2008 @ 5:40 pm
And yet you make Shaheen’s point for him. Republicans are scum who hate emocracy and freedom, that’s all you’re proving.
January 14th, 2008 at 6:01 pmLet’s assume that everything goon_golly says is a lie
Comment by bilbobaggins — January 14, 2008 @ 5:58 pm
Already done. Gigi has made a rep for herself here in a hurry.
January 14th, 2008 at 6:11 pmYou assume that only a liberal would want to teach and make their living from the goverment. There are many conservatives working for the goverment you ass!
Comment by Southern Man — January 14, 2008 @ 5:23 pm
So then you ARGUE that CONSERVATIVES are HYPOCRITES WITHOUT PRINCIPLES. Well THAT MUCH is TRUE - TARD!
January 14th, 2008 at 6:31 pmOh, and TARD it’s GOVERNMENT. As in it GOVERNNNS!
What BRANCH of the RUBE TREE did YOUR PARENTS BOTH STEM from? Obviously THE SAME, based on YOUR ‘TARDEDNESS!
January 14th, 2008 at 6:32 pmDo you have any more LSD? it’s been a long time.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — January 14, 2008 @ 5:31 pm
Lefty, care to respond to the substance of my point? You’re attack is pretty idiotic and pathetic. But good try!
January 14th, 2008 at 10:09 pmLefty, care to respond to the substance of my point? You’re attack is pretty idiotic and pathetic. But good try!
Comment by thirdparty — January 14, 2008 @ 10:09 pm
That was a kind and gentle reply to your pile of crap. Pipes is as antiAmerican as Bin Laden, maybe more so. he is a spy and a traitor, and should be in prison. our defense is completely idiotic and pathetic, and a lousy try.
January 14th, 2008 at 10:21 pmThat was a kind and gentle reply to your pile of crap. Pipes is as antiAmerican as Bin Laden, maybe more so. he is a spy and a traitor, and should be in prison. our defense is completely idiotic and pathetic, and a lousy try.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — January 14, 2008 @ 10:21 pm
Where’s your proof? Spy and a traitor, really?
January 14th, 2008 at 10:47 pmGigi, you’re inserting the word “Senators” into a different claim in order to concoct a narrative that comes closer to suiting your purposes.
Now, it’s hardly a surprise that you would erect such a straw man (in fact it
s what we expect out of you), but in fact the claim oft repeated on TP about the South and party affiliation is that those RACIST VOTERS from the RURAL SOUTH who had supported the Democratic Party from Reconstruction to the 1960s, left and became REPUBLICANS after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was signed by a Democratic president. This resulted in a sea change in presidential politics that was encouraged by Nixon’s SOUTHERN STRATEGY.
More long term, several commentators have suggested that the ultimate result of this strategy is to turn the Republican party into a regional party rather than a viable national one. Enjoy your future, Gigi.
January 15th, 2008 at 12:43 amIf I might be so bold to suggest that the Republicans are using the “Muslin” word as code instead of “Black Afro/American”.
Never once did I hear or read any news story of Obama’s “muslim” connection running for Senate or as State legislator. H
as anyone else?
Again, it is my contention on how the GOP refers to Obama, connecting him to Muslim is racial code for “Negro”!
Where was the concern of the “Fascist Bush” doing business with or enemy the Germans?
Fred Thompson defending terrrorists in the Pan Am tradgety?
Romney the Mormon? Is Mormon a cult?
There should be a voters grassroots campaign to spank these people and publically. It needs to be curbbed NOW !!
January 15th, 2008 at 2:50 amKeltoi,
January 15th, 2008 at 9:59 amGet over it. The Republican party stands for keeping people down on the farm, that is why they are CONSERVATIVE. They want to keep everything for themselves. That is ANTITHETICAL to any socially progressive or forward thinking movement that espouses the cause of liberation from poverty or helping fellow people. And lo and behold, blacks have been driven into or held in the latter group by…The capitalists and other land barons (read slave owners) Dixiecrats who are now prominent within the GOP.
Face it, the GOP is dead. It is a cripled, and empty vessle, with nothing but contempt and hatred of what AMERICA is turning into, and pines for the days of old, where everyone was kept “down on the farm.”
Just look at the idjits you got out front and center. Racists the bunch of ya. And until the supporters either bury the elephant, or remake it into something else, your ideals are dead, your points are dead, and your planks are all dead.
The writing is on the wall, try reading it.
#152-
“151. Robt. It is the Clinton camp that has been repeatedly floating the “Muslim†word about Obama. You need to get your facts straight. ”
-You could be right of the Clinton camp responsible for some.
Yet what of these bigoted clowns in this posts video clip. That isn’t the Clinton camp is it?
When hard core repubs at work come out and talk poorly of Obama all of a sudden because now they can replace the word “Negro” with “Muslim” is pathetic. They don’t listen to the Clinton camp because they hate her more.
I just think that anyone using the word Muslim (with the implication all Muslims are black and bad) should be spanked publicly.
At least some coverage that they use the term Muslim as a replacement derrogatant for Negro.
And that includes Clinton’s camp being spank if required.
January 15th, 2008 at 1:32 pmOsama….I mean Obama is a muslim, commie, coke head.
January 17th, 2008 at 4:08 pm