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Report reveals Vietnam War hoaxes, faked attacks

AFP
Tuesday January 8, 2008

North Vietnamese made hoax calls to get the US military to bomb its own units during the Vietnam War, according to declassified information that also confirmed US officials faked an incident to escalate the war.

The report was released by the National Security Agency, responsible for much of the United States’ codebreaking and eavesdropping work, in response to a “mandatory declassification” request, the Federation of American Scientists (FAS) said Monday.

But he said that probably the “most historically significant feature” of the declassified report was the retelling of the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident.

That was a reported North Vietnamese attack on American destroyers that helped lead to president Lyndon Johnson’s sharp escalation of American forces in Vietnam.

The author of the report “demonstrates that not only is it not true, as (then US) secretary of defense Robert McNamara told Congress, that the evidence of an attack was ‘unimpeachable,’ but that to the contrary, a review of the classified signals intelligence proves that ‘no attack happened that night,’” FAS said in a statement.

“What this study demonstrated is that the available intelligence shows that there was no attack. It’s a dramatic reversal of the historical record,” Aftergood said.

Like General Peter Pace, Admirals Mullin and Fallon are walking a tightrope and are to be credited with preventing the planned nuclear attack on 70 million innocent Iranian citizens.

See the site Liberty Forum and Wake From Your Slumber and We Are Wide Awake. We need to show a more sophisticated understanding of the nature of the very dangerous games taking place.

Google Mullin and Fallon and carefully read their testimony before Congress, their quotes from trying to help our abused troops and interviews.

“DAMMIT!!! The coolers fell overboard!! There goes our beer!!”

Comment by plunger — January 14, 2008 @ 1:45 pm

Hey Plunger,

No one is criticizing your information. I, like many other readers thought you were trying to prove that shots were fired on THIS incident. The information is definitely relevant to the topic, but I think some were clarifying so it doesn’t look like us “moonbats” were just making stuff up or lying.

Trust me, I am as frustrated as every other patriotic American who believes in the ideals that this country was founded on, but we don’t get anywhere jumping down each others throats.

Keep up the good work – and as Kent Jones used to say – “VIGILANCE”!

Dan

While competition for oil, Iranian provocation and American unilateralism are all factors, the most destabilizing element I see are Israel’s internal problems.

I think we in the US have no clue what it was like to be subject to the scud attacks in the 90s, or the rocket attacks now — the death toll gives no clue to the level of existential fear. But I for one feel that the material military threat is the least central part of the problem.

Conflict with Palestinian arabs is just one part of it. Isreal as a whole seems to me to be losing its sense of purpose. Other than religious extremists, the Israelis I know express uncertainty about the future, about the rightness of the zionist cause in ways that I didn’t hear ten or twenty years ago.

The situation reminds me of what has been written about Weimar Germany, or the Blum regime in France in the late 30’s — when the center loses legitimacy, the extremists start taking control of the ship.

There is an ugly climate of fear and violence now. I don’t know whether the paranoia of the posts of “plunger” and others like him or her is correct (recent events give one little confidence that the paranoid scenario is wrong), but there is a visciousness on the Israeli right which when combined with W’s self-delusion and will to violence, is truly frightening.

January 2009 can’t come quick enough. I hope we can get there w/o another needless war.

Comment by RUCerious — January 14, 2008 @ 11:48 am

That’s funny, I thought the topic was inciting the US to fire on Iranian ships to start the next war.

Why is it so imperative for so many of you to comment on the messenger – rather than focusing on the message.

I did the research, I found a RELEVANT article, and I provided the link without posting the entire story, as you have requested in the past.

How many of you are only here to bicker?

If you did not see the relevance of the article that I made the effort to deliver to you, so be it.

I saw no reason to editorialize on that one.

Comment by dbadass — January 14, 2008 @ 1:07 pm

That’s a big Ten-Four good buddy. Brave Xray, Brave Zulu.

Report when on station and ready for call for fire.
Big Mary Two Six Charlie

Over

Comment by Zimzone — January 14, 2008 @ 11:27 am

I think “wrongtoric” would be more appropriate…

and he used a credit card to pay for it!

ah haha ha… ahhhh … it’s funnier when dixie blood does it…

(inside joke)

As for the 25%ers who still support this fiend from hell, they are resolute and will support their man if he raped Barney. Again.

I will call it a win for America if we can get to 1/20/09 without this POS starting another war.

Is there anyone at all in Washington that isn’t beyond help? Prove it.