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	<title>Comments on: Judge tells MSNBC to let Kucinich debate.</title>
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		<title>By: civil behavior</title>
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		<dc:creator>civil behavior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Media manipulation of the message is one of the overarching  characteristics of FASCISM.

Welcome to the newest banana republic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Media manipulation of the message is one of the overarching  characteristics of FASCISM.</p>
<p>Welcome to the newest banana republic.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4228698', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: civil behavior</title>
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		<dc:creator>civil behavior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Word has it that NBC is appealing the ruling of Judge Thompson&#039;s ruling to let stand DK&#039;s invitation to debate to the Nevada Supreme court.

And all the armchair commandoes will do what?

What will it take to start an orange revolution?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Word has it that NBC is appealing the ruling of Judge Thompson&#8217;s ruling to let stand DK&#8217;s invitation to debate to the Nevada Supreme court.</p>
<p>And all the armchair commandoes will do what?</p>
<p>What will it take to start an orange revolution?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4228683', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Brain From Planet Arous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brain From Planet Arous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Just because someone disagrees with Israel as a government entity does not make them anti-semiticâ€¦.

Comment by Fred â€” January 15, 2008 @ 9:19 am&lt;/em&gt;

Thank you Fred. it is like saying I despise Bush, Cheney, Rove, ad nauseum, so therefore I am Un-American. Of course, the same Crackpots who attacked Clinton or Carter incessantly did not consider themselves Un-American. What they attempting to say is only people who support Fascistic, Right Wing War-Mongers are &quot;Pro-American&quot;.

The Likudists/Zionists are Neo-Cons, and most of the common people in Israel despise them, the same way the Bushies and Nixonians are despised here. All of these people are making tons of money off of war. That is all they know. They are not creative, compassionate, technological, or forward looking. They are the heir apparent of Attila the Hun, Ramses II, Hannibal, Nero, Caesar, Amin, Mussolini, Napoleon, Pinochet, Hitler, and Stalin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Just because someone disagrees with Israel as a government entity does not make them anti-semiticâ€¦.</p>
<p>Comment by Fred â€” January 15, 2008 @ 9:19 am</em></p>
<p>Thank you Fred. it is like saying I despise Bush, Cheney, Rove, ad nauseum, so therefore I am Un-American. Of course, the same Crackpots who attacked Clinton or Carter incessantly did not consider themselves Un-American. What they attempting to say is only people who support Fascistic, Right Wing War-Mongers are &#8220;Pro-American&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Likudists/Zionists are Neo-Cons, and most of the common people in Israel despise them, the same way the Bushies and Nixonians are despised here. All of these people are making tons of money off of war. That is all they know. They are not creative, compassionate, technological, or forward looking. They are the heir apparent of Attila the Hun, Ramses II, Hannibal, Nero, Caesar, Amin, Mussolini, Napoleon, Pinochet, Hitler, and Stalin.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4228459', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get the hell of the stage and let the grown-ups talk Dennis.

Weâ€™ve got a real race, and and sub-1% Dennis isnâ€™t in it. Heâ€™s just going to take up valuable time and go on about the crap he has stuffed in his pockets and his sophomoric Department of Peace.

GAWD!
Comment by coaxial 

I&#039;m wondering why you even care....anyone who makes fun of the idea of a department of peace is obviously not a member of the same party as Dennis......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get the hell of the stage and let the grown-ups talk Dennis.</p>
<p>Weâ€™ve got a real race, and and sub-1% Dennis isnâ€™t in it. Heâ€™s just going to take up valuable time and go on about the crap he has stuffed in his pockets and his sophomoric Department of Peace.</p>
<p>GAWD!<br />
Comment by coaxial </p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering why you even care&#8230;.anyone who makes fun of the idea of a department of peace is obviously not a member of the same party as Dennis&#8230;&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4228317', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am pretty sure it means I am about to get hit with a anti-semitic conspiracy theory, alasâ€¦.

Comment by Keltoi at Night 

Just because someone disagrees with Israel as a government entity does not make them anti-semitic....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am pretty sure it means I am about to get hit with a anti-semitic conspiracy theory, alasâ€¦.</p>
<p>Comment by Keltoi at Night </p>
<p>Just because someone disagrees with Israel as a government entity does not make them anti-semitic&#8230;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4228311', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Wilco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wilco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about Gravel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Gravel?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4228295', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Get the hell of the stage and let the grown-ups talk Dennis.

Weâ€™ve got a real race, and and sub-1% Dennis isnâ€™t in it. Heâ€™s just going to take up valuable time and go on about the crap he has stuffed in his pockets and his sophomoric Department of Peace.

GAWD!
Comment by coaxial â€” January 15, 2008 @ 5:55 am&lt;/em&gt;

This is  the  primaries,   the  first  time  voters  get  to  actually  vote  and  polls  don&#039;t  mean  crap.  How  did  the  polls  work  in  NH?

Since  these  are  the  primaries,  everyone  on  the  ballot  deserves  a  voice  and  a  chance  to  be  heard.   Every  voter  has  the  right  to  hear  what  EACH  candidate has  to  say,  not  just  the  &quot;front runners&quot;  the  media  is  pushing,  while  they  silence  other voices.
After  the  primaries  are  over,  then  you  have  the  Democratic  candidate  and  the Repuke,  plus  any  independents.   I  expect  to  be  able  to  hear  from  each  candidate  in  those  debates  as  well

Don&#039;t  like  Dennis, don&#039;t vote  for  him,  but  don&#039;t  you ( or  the  media ) dare  to  silence  a  voice  before  the  primaries  are  over.

Gawd!  how  can  you  be  so  fscking  ignorant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Get the hell of the stage and let the grown-ups talk Dennis.</p>
<p>Weâ€™ve got a real race, and and sub-1% Dennis isnâ€™t in it. Heâ€™s just going to take up valuable time and go on about the crap he has stuffed in his pockets and his sophomoric Department of Peace.</p>
<p>GAWD!<br />
Comment by coaxial â€” January 15, 2008 @ 5:55 am</em></p>
<p>This is  the  primaries,   the  first  time  voters  get  to  actually  vote  and  polls  don&#8217;t  mean  crap.  How  did  the  polls  work  in  NH?</p>
<p>Since  these  are  the  primaries,  everyone  on  the  ballot  deserves  a  voice  and  a  chance  to  be  heard.   Every  voter  has  the  right  to  hear  what  EACH  candidate has  to  say,  not  just  the  &#8220;front runners&#8221;  the  media  is  pushing,  while  they  silence  other voices.<br />
After  the  primaries  are  over,  then  you  have  the  Democratic  candidate  and  the Repuke,  plus  any  independents.   I  expect  to  be  able  to  hear  from  each  candidate  in  those  debates  as  well</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t  like  Dennis, don&#8217;t vote  for  him,  but  don&#8217;t  you ( or  the  media ) dare  to  silence  a  voice  before  the  primaries  are  over.</p>
<p>Gawd!  how  can  you  be  so  fscking  ignorant.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4228293', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: IMPEACH NOW</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/14/judge-tells-msnbc-to-let-kucinich-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-4228292</link>
		<dc:creator>IMPEACH NOW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=news_politics&amp;Number=296000176&amp;view=collapsed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=21&amp;part=1#Post296005348


Dear Kucinich Supporters,

FINALLY, the principle that we are a nation of laws and not of corporate media control has prevailed. And without your support, your phone calls and emails and letters, this issue might never have attracted the national attention it has. 

BUT, while Dennis is preparing to go to Nevada - court order in hand - to represent your interests, expect that MSNBC, NBC, its parent company GE, and dozens of other alphabet-soup corporations in the nation will start filing appeals on top of appeals to keep Dennis out of the debate and try to deplete our limited financial resources. Multi-billion corporations don&#039;t want Dennis on that stage Tuesday night. And they will do everything; spend anything they need to make sure that his voice - your voice - is not heard. The law is on our side, but the dollars are on theirs.

NOW, more than ever, we need your continued financial support to stop megalomania-media from robbing you of your Constitutional rights, taking control of the American electoral process, and hand-picking the candidates they want you to choose from.

Defend your rights today. Make a contribution today to the only candidate who is willing to challenge the powerful interests that want to control you.

They will try to outspend us, but, with your help, they won&#039;t be able to out-fight us. Please, contribute whatever you can to defend your rights, and ask everyone you know to do the same.

We won today, but tomorrow is another battle.

&lt;strong&gt;Strength through Peace
Kucinich Campaign&lt;/strong&gt;


http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/6356/1/308/

[image]http://www2.kucinich.us/files/images/pics%20fior%20website/pax.jpg[/image]</description>
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<p>Dear Kucinich Supporters,</p>
<p>FINALLY, the principle that we are a nation of laws and not of corporate media control has prevailed. And without your support, your phone calls and emails and letters, this issue might never have attracted the national attention it has. </p>
<p>BUT, while Dennis is preparing to go to Nevada &#8211; court order in hand &#8211; to represent your interests, expect that MSNBC, NBC, its parent company GE, and dozens of other alphabet-soup corporations in the nation will start filing appeals on top of appeals to keep Dennis out of the debate and try to deplete our limited financial resources. Multi-billion corporations don&#8217;t want Dennis on that stage Tuesday night. And they will do everything; spend anything they need to make sure that his voice &#8211; your voice &#8211; is not heard. The law is on our side, but the dollars are on theirs.</p>
<p>NOW, more than ever, we need your continued financial support to stop megalomania-media from robbing you of your Constitutional rights, taking control of the American electoral process, and hand-picking the candidates they want you to choose from.</p>
<p>Defend your rights today. Make a contribution today to the only candidate who is willing to challenge the powerful interests that want to control you.</p>
<p>They will try to outspend us, but, with your help, they won&#8217;t be able to out-fight us. Please, contribute whatever you can to defend your rights, and ask everyone you know to do the same.</p>
<p>We won today, but tomorrow is another battle.</p>
<p><strong>Strength through Peace<br />
Kucinich Campaign</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/6356/1/308/" rel="nofollow">http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/6356/1/308/</a></p>
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		<title>By: IMPEACH NOW</title>
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		<dc:creator>IMPEACH NOW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad TP is finally focusing on Kucinich.  The other three AIPAC stooges aren&#039;t worth taking the time to watch or read about.  The only hope is Kucinich and he will change the dialogue if given a chance.  There would be the support for Kucinich that Ron Paul has if the left gatekeeper blogs, most especially FireDogLake and Daily Kos had not utterly ignored the only real, progressive and honest candidate.  Kucinich is the only one doing his job as Congressperson - see Kucinich&#039;s articles of impeachment on his government website and calling bush to account for his threats against Iran and lies that took our troops to Iraq where they are being slaughtered everyday for israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad TP is finally focusing on Kucinich.  The other three AIPAC stooges aren&#8217;t worth taking the time to watch or read about.  The only hope is Kucinich and he will change the dialogue if given a chance.  There would be the support for Kucinich that Ron Paul has if the left gatekeeper blogs, most especially FireDogLake and Daily Kos had not utterly ignored the only real, progressive and honest candidate.  Kucinich is the only one doing his job as Congressperson &#8211; see Kucinich&#8217;s articles of impeachment on his government website and calling bush to account for his threats against Iran and lies that took our troops to Iraq where they are being slaughtered everyday for israel.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4228289', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Evil Spaniard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evil Spaniard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Hmmmmâ€¦.yâ€™know, this could be a Pandoraâ€™s box. I doubt it will have MUCH effect outside of this judgeâ€™s jurisdiction, but I promise you Ralph Nader and other fringe candidates will try to make this a precedent.

I wonder what the legal rationale for this decision was. Kucinich has low single digit support and no chance whatsover of becoming Presidentâ€¦this thing could be big, and not in a good way. Were this to become precedent - not likely this cycle, there isnâ€™t time, but someone will try to get it to the Supreme Court, you heard it here first, there would be equal protection issues down the road.

Comment by Keltoi at Night â€” January 14, 2008 @ 8:39 pm&lt;/em&gt;

Where is your love for freedom and justice? Every candidate must be heard, specially in the so called &quot;Leader of the free world&quot; (ha!) Democracy . Doing anything else is pretending to shape the freedom of voters. Where is your Republican &quot;do it yourself&quot; attitude?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Hmmmmâ€¦.yâ€™know, this could be a Pandoraâ€™s box. I doubt it will have MUCH effect outside of this judgeâ€™s jurisdiction, but I promise you Ralph Nader and other fringe candidates will try to make this a precedent.</p>
<p>I wonder what the legal rationale for this decision was. Kucinich has low single digit support and no chance whatsover of becoming Presidentâ€¦this thing could be big, and not in a good way. Were this to become precedent &#8211; not likely this cycle, there isnâ€™t time, but someone will try to get it to the Supreme Court, you heard it here first, there would be equal protection issues down the road.</p>
<p>Comment by Keltoi at Night â€” January 14, 2008 @ 8:39 pm</em></p>
<p>Where is your love for freedom and justice? Every candidate must be heard, specially in the so called &#8220;Leader of the free world&#8221; (ha!) Democracy . Doing anything else is pretending to shape the freedom of voters. Where is your Republican &#8220;do it yourself&#8221; attitude?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4228286', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: brently</title>
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		<dc:creator>brently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s polling low. Yes, that&#039;s true. But poll numbers should not exclude him. The debate will be better with him included because he potentially can swing the conversation toward topics that Hillary et al. would rather ignore (i.e., important issues). I have a feeling Edwards is the only mainstream candidate who can profit from this. That&#039;s a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s polling low. Yes, that&#8217;s true. But poll numbers should not exclude him. The debate will be better with him included because he potentially can swing the conversation toward topics that Hillary et al. would rather ignore (i.e., important issues). I have a feeling Edwards is the only mainstream candidate who can profit from this. That&#8217;s a good thing.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4228280', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: coaxial</title>
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		<dc:creator>coaxial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get the hell of the stage and let the grown-ups talk Dennis.

We&#039;ve got a real race, and and sub-1% Dennis isn&#039;t in it.  He&#039;s just going to take up valuable time and go on about the crap he has stuffed in his pockets and his sophomoric Department of Peace.

GAWD!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get the hell of the stage and let the grown-ups talk Dennis.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve got a real race, and and sub-1% Dennis isn&#8217;t in it.  He&#8217;s just going to take up valuable time and go on about the crap he has stuffed in his pockets and his sophomoric Department of Peace.</p>
<p>GAWD!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4228279', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: williamf</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As it should be...it seemed the MSNBC folksl were trying to shape the debate.  I could be wrong but....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As it should be&#8230;it seemed the MSNBC folksl were trying to shape the debate.  I could be wrong but&#8230;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4228276', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jericho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jericho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sheer fact that - again! - the &#039;fundaments&#039; of U.S. &#039;democracy&#039; need to be decided in court tell me nothing has changed one bit since 2000 and a new &#039;floridasco&#039; is probably in the making.  Also, there really is nothing the MSM is still doing right these days, is there? Frontrunners Hillary and Obama aren&#039;t worth the hype while Edwards is being silenced. The media are about as informative as McCain is a straight talker....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sheer fact that &#8211; again! &#8211; the &#8216;fundaments&#8217; of U.S. &#8216;democracy&#8217; need to be decided in court tell me nothing has changed one bit since 2000 and a new &#8216;floridasco&#8217; is probably in the making.  Also, there really is nothing the MSM is still doing right these days, is there? Frontrunners Hillary and Obama aren&#8217;t worth the hype while Edwards is being silenced. The media are about as informative as McCain is a straight talker&#8230;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4228270', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: JosephW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JosephW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmmâ€¦.yâ€™know, this could be a Pandoraâ€™s box. I doubt it will have MUCH effect outside of this judgeâ€™s jurisdiction, but I promise you Ralph Nader and other fringe candidates will try to make this a precedent.

I wonder what the legal rationale for this decision was. Kucinich has low single digit support and no chance whatsover of becoming Presidentâ€¦this thing could be big, and not in a good way. Were this to become precedent - not likely this cycle, there isnâ€™t time, but someone will try to get it to the Supreme Court, you heard it here first, there would be equal protection issues down the road.

Comment by Keltoi at Night â€” January 14, 2008 @ 8:39 pm

Apologies for coming in so late but I work nights and just got in here.  Anyway.........
To take your points in order:
1--This is NOT a precedent setter for a third-party candidate to be invited into a national debate.  This debate was SOLELY for Democratic nominees.  When Nader (or another) decides to participate within the Democratic or Republican primary process as a candidate for one of those parties, then he can consider this as a precedent.
2--Kucinich WAS initially invited to the debate, then was DISinvited for NO APPARENT RATIONAL REASON.  Kucinich had essentially turned into a &quot;substitute&quot; for Richardson; when Richardson dropped out, Kucinich was invited to participate.    According to the timeline I&#039;ve read, Kucinich was disinvited just hours after the original offer to participate.  MSNBC allegedly used Kucinich&#039;s &quot;low standing in the polls&quot; as the reason for revoking the invitation, but Richardson&#039;s invitation was made when HIS poll numbers were not much higher than Kucinich&#039;s.
3--Any future precedent that *might* be set will likely come under the fact that the airwaves belong to the people and that ANY network which chooses to not invite a candidate into a debate the network airs will have to set up their prerequisites well ahead of time and NOT be allowed to change the rules in midstream.  (Let&#039;s say a network announces it will host a debate on February 1.  Candidates will be formally invited if they receive a minimum of X% in the last NATIONAL poll taken on or before January 15.  No candidate&#039;s invitation will be rescinded after that date no matter how low in the national polls, he/she may fall.  Only the candidate, not his staff, may refuse the invitation with the understanding that if the network hosts another debate, he/she will not receive an invitation, regardless of poll standing.  Additionally, any candidate who withdraws from the race will lose his/her invitation.  If a poll released by January 25 indicates that an uninvited candidate has increased to that original X%, the network may opt to invite him/her as a replacement.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmmâ€¦.yâ€™know, this could be a Pandoraâ€™s box. I doubt it will have MUCH effect outside of this judgeâ€™s jurisdiction, but I promise you Ralph Nader and other fringe candidates will try to make this a precedent.</p>
<p>I wonder what the legal rationale for this decision was. Kucinich has low single digit support and no chance whatsover of becoming Presidentâ€¦this thing could be big, and not in a good way. Were this to become precedent &#8211; not likely this cycle, there isnâ€™t time, but someone will try to get it to the Supreme Court, you heard it here first, there would be equal protection issues down the road.</p>
<p>Comment by Keltoi at Night â€” January 14, 2008 @ 8:39 pm</p>
<p>Apologies for coming in so late but I work nights and just got in here.  Anyway&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<br />
To take your points in order:<br />
1&#8211;This is NOT a precedent setter for a third-party candidate to be invited into a national debate.  This debate was SOLELY for Democratic nominees.  When Nader (or another) decides to participate within the Democratic or Republican primary process as a candidate for one of those parties, then he can consider this as a precedent.<br />
2&#8211;Kucinich WAS initially invited to the debate, then was DISinvited for NO APPARENT RATIONAL REASON.  Kucinich had essentially turned into a &#8220;substitute&#8221; for Richardson; when Richardson dropped out, Kucinich was invited to participate.    According to the timeline I&#8217;ve read, Kucinich was disinvited just hours after the original offer to participate.  MSNBC allegedly used Kucinich&#8217;s &#8220;low standing in the polls&#8221; as the reason for revoking the invitation, but Richardson&#8217;s invitation was made when HIS poll numbers were not much higher than Kucinich&#8217;s.<br />
3&#8211;Any future precedent that *might* be set will likely come under the fact that the airwaves belong to the people and that ANY network which chooses to not invite a candidate into a debate the network airs will have to set up their prerequisites well ahead of time and NOT be allowed to change the rules in midstream.  (Let&#8217;s say a network announces it will host a debate on February 1.  Candidates will be formally invited if they receive a minimum of X% in the last NATIONAL poll taken on or before January 15.  No candidate&#8217;s invitation will be rescinded after that date no matter how low in the national polls, he/she may fall.  Only the candidate, not his staff, may refuse the invitation with the understanding that if the network hosts another debate, he/she will not receive an invitation, regardless of poll standing.  Additionally, any candidate who withdraws from the race will lose his/her invitation.  If a poll released by January 25 indicates that an uninvited candidate has increased to that original X%, the network may opt to invite him/her as a replacement.)<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4228261', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Stupid Git</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/14/judge-tells-msnbc-to-let-kucinich-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-4228255</link>
		<dc:creator>Stupid Git</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guess is NBC will reluctantly allow him to debate, snub him the entire time then ask him one question near the end about UFOs. Not really a revenge tactic as much as it&#039;d just be like all the other debates.

Anyone up for taking a cue from the Ron Paul supporters and chasing Chris Matthews down the street yelling &quot;YOU SUCK!!!&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is NBC will reluctantly allow him to debate, snub him the entire time then ask him one question near the end about UFOs. Not really a revenge tactic as much as it&#8217;d just be like all the other debates.</p>
<p>Anyone up for taking a cue from the Ron Paul supporters and chasing Chris Matthews down the street yelling &#8220;YOU SUCK!!!&#8221;?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4228255', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Juan C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Can someone explain to me exactly how Kucinich has been shut out? 
Comment by Keltoi at Night&lt;/em&gt;

BY cutting his mike off on a Presidential Debate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Can someone explain to me exactly how Kucinich has been shut out?<br />
Comment by Keltoi at Night</em></p>
<p>BY cutting his mike off on a Presidential Debate?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4228238', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Keltoi at Night</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/14/judge-tells-msnbc-to-let-kucinich-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-4228226</link>
		<dc:creator>Keltoi at Night</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nor for the RNC.

Comment by BARTLEBEE â€” January 15, 2008 @ 12:44 am


I know, I know....McCain&#039;s resurgence gives me hope - Huck and Rombot are unsupportable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nor for the RNC.</p>
<p>Comment by BARTLEBEE â€” January 15, 2008 @ 12:44 am</p>
<p>I know, I know&#8230;.McCain&#8217;s resurgence gives me hope &#8211; Huck and Rombot are unsupportable.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4228226', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Keltoi at Night</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/14/judge-tells-msnbc-to-let-kucinich-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-4228208</link>
		<dc:creator>Keltoi at Night</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, the miserable selection of alternative candidates did that.

Comment by BARTLEBEE â€” January 15, 2008 @ 12:35 am

Ha!  Yeah, you got that right....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the miserable selection of alternative candidates did that.</p>
<p>Comment by BARTLEBEE â€” January 15, 2008 @ 12:35 am</p>
<p>Ha!  Yeah, you got that right&#8230;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4228208', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Sabyen91</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sabyen91</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you are too biased (or blind?) to have an actual conversation, I am done with you, yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you are too biased (or blind?) to have an actual conversation, I am done with you, yes.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4228201', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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