Beck: FDR ‘was one evil son of a b*tch.’
Today on his CNN Headline News show, Glenn Beck went on a rant against former President Franklin D. Roosevelt, blaming him for making the Great Depression “go on and on and on for a decade.” He then added:
I have to tell you, I said on my radio show today, I`m beginning to come to a place where I just — I love my grandfather, but I just want to slap himself across the face for liking FDR. I think that was one evil son of a bitch.
Watch it:
Chris Achorn at My Two Sense notes that “without FDR, people wouldnt be getting social security checks, and he led this nation during World War 2, and helped defeat both Hitler and Mussolini before his death in 1945. Beck is at odds with, well pretty much everyone.”
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I love my grandfather, but I just want to slap himself across the face
That tells me what kind of human I am dealing with……no shame. No wonder torture doesn’t shock them.
Yeah, real bottom feeder. Hoover was lead man on that depression. De-regulation was the soundbite of the day.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:29 pmAnd why is this guy on Headline News again? If I want to hear ill informed bigoted comments I can tune in Fox News.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:29 pmWell Glen, I would usually say, “it takes one to know one.” But in this case you are a certifiable nincompoop and an evil son of a B1tch so you really don’t have a clue about anything, least of all FDR.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:29 pmBeck is at odds with, well pretty much everyone.
Everyone, that is, except the modern conservative movement, which is dedicated to the complete destruction of everything FDR did.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:30 pmWhen are the American Patriots going to put a stop to the wholesale theft of our nation by the oligarchs and their paid propagandists?
January 15th, 2008 at 10:31 pmFolks, it’s time for someone to do something more concrete about this scumbag and his ilk.
Beck is at odds with, well pretty much everyone.
Everyone, that is, except the modern conservative movement, which is dedicated to the complete destruction of everything FDR did.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Yeah but how can they stoop sooo low…you know. Gonna slap an old man. No one has taken him out back of the studio and kicked his ass just for saying such a thing? What the hell people.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:34 pmThere will soon come a time when there are American suicide bombers. The ruling elite don’t give a damn about the quality of life for the common citizen. They are in the throws of ecstatic consumption and they own it all. What they haven’t yet taken, they will soon.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:35 pmThe republic is dead and gone.
And the sole reason they relentlessly attack the Clintons is because the Clinton did and will raise their taxes. As should be done to every nation’s ruling elite.
Goddamnit that’s it, I’m not taking any more of this shit. My grandmother lived through the great depression in NYC, lived on rice and butter, and it was FDR that pulled this whole country out of a Republican caused economic meltdown fueled by greed.
And for this pompous jackass to call FDR evil?
BOYCOTT CNN, MAKE IT HEARD AROUNND THE COUNTRY BECK IS A DEMAGOGUE AND CNN NEEDS TO FIRE HIS PUNK ASS
January 15th, 2008 at 10:35 pmDon’t forget 30-year mortgages and the FHA.
Before that, mortgages were 5-yr maximums, large downs, and frequent foreclosures.
WPA, PWA, and fieldstone schools and government buildings that dot the northeast and beyond.
I come from the same town as FDR (and I have the same birthday as Stalin-2 of 3 of the Yalta Boys).
FDR was a rich man that cared about his fellow man in the USA.
And was a KNOWLEDGEABLE and able STATESMAN.
It was said he could take a US map, draw a line through ANY territory, and tell you all about the demographics of every county
that the line passed through.
Bush is a fckving idiot by comparison.
The result of money putting a “populist” face on their TREASONOUS FASCISM.
Just like Reagan the senile…
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
P.S. No bold on this one, just honest reflection of a GREAT President like FDR and a MORON TRAITOR like W.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:36 pmThe guy that wants to slap his grandfather is calling somebody else evil? By the way, how old is Beck? How old must his grandfather be? I am calling BS.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:36 pmThere is a reason why I will never refer to that big dam in NV. as hoover dam…It will always be ‘Bolder Dam’….as a little boy I saw the country recover, thanks to FDR.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:43 pmI have never seen Beck’s show and never will. Is he really this stupid or does he just know his audience will believe anything?
January 15th, 2008 at 10:46 pmYeah but how can they stoop sooo low…you know. Gonna slap an old man. No one has taken him out back of the studio and kicked his ass just for saying such a thing? What the hell people.
Comment by Fred — January 15, 2008 @ 10:34 pm
I’ve found that conservatives tend to embrace violence as, if not the FIRST resort, then at least the second.
Probaby has something to do with being stuck with all their lame ideas.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:47 pmIs he really this stupid or does he just know his audience will believe anything?
Comment by eve — January 15, 2008 @ 10:46 pm
Both.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:48 pmFDR, besides Lincoln, was as close as we’re going to get to an intellect that rivaled the Founding Fathers. For these feeble minded simpleton republicans to disparage him is a testament to their own ignorance.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:49 pmis he sure it was a hemorrhoid he went into surgery for and not a lobotomy?
January 15th, 2008 at 10:50 pmEve, I listened to Stephanie Miller before this schmuck was on cable. He is stupid…and racist…and inflammatory…and above all, stupid. I think it is mostly an act. He knows that saying outrageous things moves ratings. But he isn’t a good actor. He really doesn’t sell it all that well like Coulter.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:50 pmBut when it comes time to put up or shut up, they run away. Chickenhawk pussies, to a man.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:51 pmFDR had a truly compassionate nature however:
He did oversee the wholesale rounding up and imprisonment of American citizens based solely on their ancestry. Conditions in the detainment camps were no better than those which are considered to be inhumane at Guantanamo.
While FDC launched a plethora of programs and initiatives aimed at helping those suffering the most during the Great Depression; and while those actions did, in fact, help many to survive, his underlying economic policies are regarded by most economists to have prolonged the depression, or at best, to have made no contribution to shortening it.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:51 pmOh, yeah, my point was I heard him a lot on Steph’s clips. That seemed to be a non-sequiter, didn’t it?
January 15th, 2008 at 10:51 pmFDR was no saint. He wanted to get rid of ABC as soon as possible. He was smart enough to listen to his economic advisors in initiating the programs and was smart enough to listen to them when they told him it was too soon to abandon them.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:53 pmBullShit
Name two.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:53 pm“his underlying economic policies are regarded by most economists to have prolonged the depression, or at best, to have made no contribution to shortening it.
Comment by Tom the Barbarian”
What????
January 15th, 2008 at 10:54 pmComment by Tom the Barbarian — January 15, 2008 @ 10:51 pm
which “most economists” ?
January 15th, 2008 at 10:54 pmA little off topic, but FYI - Glenn Beck was 42 when they raised the age limit of the Army to 42 last year.
I bet this tough guy could have ended the Iraq war all by himself. I mean he is such a patriot and staunch support of other people dieing to occupy Iraq.
These guys are making me sick. I hope we can turn this beloved country around.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:55 pmMarcus Aurelius, we seem to have a revisionist historian in Tommy.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:55 pm42 in 2006 when they raised the age limit.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:55 pmFDR made the Depression go on for a decade? How so?
January 15th, 2008 at 10:55 pmWe do, indeed.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:57 pmComment by Tom the Barbarian
Yeah…no one’s perfect….makes every decision correct…but his intentions were much different than the ones you obviously feel the need to defend.
A statement like the one made by Beck only serves one purpose. To piss people off. There is no other reason for him to say such a thing. You must be really proud Tom.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:57 pmPhewwww! If this guy had said that he liked FDR, I was considering switching sides…
January 15th, 2008 at 10:57 pmFDR has his faults.
All men do.
Bush is a WAR CRIMINAL, MURDERER, LIAR and AWOL coward TRAITOR.
And not much of a “man” as welll…
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
January 15th, 2008 at 10:58 pmI need some help from commenters…
I read somewhere, that FDR made some changes regarding the laws that restricted somewhat Indian Americans, favoring them in some manner…do you know something about it?
January 15th, 2008 at 11:00 pm20:
You’re perfectly OK with racial profiling now, but criticize FDR for doing it during a time of TRUE war, where we were attacked by a SOVERIEGN ENEMY with a STANDING army and navy?
As far as ‘underlying economic policies’, which economists are you referring to? Get 10 economists in a room ask them one question, you’ll et 10 different answers.
Go to KY or TN, or anywhere that had the CCC (civilian conservation corps), and you’ll find someone grateful for the government’s contribution.
That’s what we’re debating after all, isn’t it? Governemnt good? Governemnt bad?
January 15th, 2008 at 11:00 pmHe would have, too, if it wasn’t for the broad yellow streak running up his back. Typical conservative he-man.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:00 pmNot sure Juan. I am not familiar with it. It is possible you are thinking of Teddy Roosevelt.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:03 pmIf is was not for FDR, there would be no American middle-class (get this Tom: you would be a peasant, were it not for FDR). Bushco is trying to revert to the Ruling-class/peonage system as I type this.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:04 pmIt is possible you are thinking of Teddy Roosevelt.
Comment by Sabyen91
Teddy? I don’t think so. Teddy invaded Panama and divided it from Columbia in order to get the Channel. That doesn’t sound like one who cares about a forgiven, destroyed race like Indians.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:06 pmEasy Juan: Let’s keep things in theor proper context. Conquest is in man’s DNA.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:07 pmJuan, whether you like him or not Teddy was one of the most progressive presidents we ever had. Hell, Geronimo was at Teddy’s inauguration…and was killed by Mexicans. You can hate TR all you want but at least give him credit for his acheivements.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:12 pmGlen Beck is scientific experiment. This is what happens when you give someone who is dumber that a Hemlock fence post a national forum?
January 15th, 2008 at 11:14 pmI just remember being a kid and hearing my grandparents talk about the war era and FDR. He was revered by them. Many of my uncles, etc. were WWII vets and they all spoke highly of FDR.
He was the uniter that bush wishes we would believe that he is…..how embarassing for us.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:17 pmNot all men, not all cultures.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:18 pmwhy is it that television purveyors seem to feel compelled to put on stark raving insane idiots like beck? is insanity really a marketable item? can there really be much of an audience for the beck’s of the world, who’s only motivation would seem to be saying anything to see how outraged they can make people.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:20 pm.
I disagree with that Marcus. It is human nature. Territorial animal instinct. If you have the power, you will eventually want more.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:22 pmI disagree with that Marcus. It is human nature. Territorial animal instinct. If you have the power, you will eventually want more.
Comment by Sabyen91
I thought we were evolving……sorry, aggression is a choice.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:23 pmI disagree with that Marcus. It is human nature. Territorial animal instinct. If you have the power, you will eventually want more.
Comment by Sabyen91
Yeah that power drunk Ghandi was a crux in many a side that wanted to only live in peace.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:24 pmFred, how so? You may think we are evolved but it is natural to expand your territory. Look at any superpower in the history of the world.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:24 pmGhandi did not have an army that could take over half the world. He was one of the oppressed.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:25 pmAnd no, not every single person would be militaristic. But if you have an uncontested superpower for more than 50 years it is likely someone will go imperial.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:26 pmI thought we were evolving……sorry, aggression is a choice.
Comment by Fred — January 15, 2008 @ 11:23 pm
Women should be in charge!
Peace, love, sex, chocolate chip cookies. Mmmmm…
January 15th, 2008 at 11:28 pmCheck Chinese history. Non-expansionist (even after periods of exploration outside their borders). Tibet could be considered aggressive, but could be defended as non-expansionist.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:28 pmComment by Sabyen91
I’m not going to say it’s not a part of human nature….just that we should have evolved beyond that…..for our brain to rule our behavior, not our instincts.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:28 pmThat should read China/Tibet
January 15th, 2008 at 11:29 pmNot all men, not all cultures.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — January 15, 2008 @ 11:18 pm
I disagree with that Marcus. It is human nature. Territorial animal instinct. If you have the power, you will eventually want more.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 15, 2008 @ 11:22 pm
Ghandi did not have an army that could take over half the world. He was one of the oppressed.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 15, 2008 @ 11:25 pm
And no, not every single person would be militaristic. But if you have an uncontested superpower for more than 50 years it is likely someone will go imperial.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 15, 2008 @ 11:26 pm
So just to clarify…..what’s your point?
January 15th, 2008 at 11:30 pmWomen should be in charge!
Peace, love, sex, chocolate chip cookies. Mmmmm…
Comment by Zooey
See….like this. If men would just use thier brains then life would truly be worth living……
January 15th, 2008 at 11:30 pmSo CNN keeps Beck on the air and even calls him a “journalist” and likely pays him several times more than some of the real hard-working print and broadcast journalists working at CNN.
Lets see; what would a real Journalist at CNN be thinking about now…
” I work hard at my news job at CNN. I turn on the TV and watch Beck do ‘clown news’ and basically make a complete joke of everything related to professional journalism and then get paid a lot of money (more money than I am paid).”
It’s a wonder that any CNN executive still has a car without slashed tires…
January 15th, 2008 at 11:32 pmWomen should be in charge!
Peace, love, sex, chocolate chip cookies. Mmmmm…
Comment by Zooey
I’ve been married for a while and yes the love and chocolate cookies are great but……….
January 15th, 2008 at 11:34 pm“Check Chinese history. Non-expansionist (even after periods of exploration outside their borders). Tibet could be considered aggressive, but could be defended as non-expansionist.”
China for most of history had the check of a confederation of Indian states that would not have taken kindly to a foreign religion taking over their lands. When they could get away with it they did. Tibet, you mentioned. Hong Kong as well.
Not to mention that Europe had incredible power and strong ties in Asia for millenia. They never had the opportunity. They were never an unchecked superpower.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:35 pm“So just to clarify…..what’s your point?
Comment by dlet — January 15, 2008 @ 11:30 pm”
Man is militaristic. And territorial. We have not evolved past that.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:37 pmOff topic but check Hillary’s numbers in Michigan compared to Mitts……..slaughter on the horizon.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:37 pmVanthomas, Hillary was the only major Dem on the ticket. Michigan can’t be counted.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:38 pmSo, Zoo, if Hil is elected, I can expect more of the above? I assure you - men have two brains, and your assertion is appealing to both of them.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:39 pmChina for most of history had the check of a confederation of Indian states that would not have taken kindly to a foreign religion taking over their lands.
China for most of its history was an example of territorial battles and expansion between different factions that fought for control of the area until unification.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:39 pmUNFAIR…Zooey for naming many of the things I love about women..
January 15th, 2008 at 11:39 pmCould you take some cookies over to Beck?..if yes, I’ll let you decide ‘where’ to put them.
I’m convinced Glenn Beck says the crazy things he says because he’s jealous of all the attention Bill O’Reilly gets for all the crazy things he says. They have a crazy right wing nutjob competition going on and ThinkProgress.org is calling the play-by-play.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:39 pmHe did oversee the wholesale rounding up and imprisonment of American citizens based solely on their ancestry. Conditions in the detainment camps were no better than those which are considered to be inhumane at Guantanamo.
While FDC(SIC) launched a plethora of programs and initiatives aimed at helping those suffering the most during the Great Depression; and while those actions did, in fact, help many to survive, his underlying economic policies are regarded by most economists to have prolonged the depression, or at best, to have made no contribution to shortening it.
Comment by Tom the Barbarian
I by no means intend to defend the FDR’s decision to round up Japanese Americans and put them in detention camps for the duration of WWII; it was his worst and most deplorable mistake. But, Tommy, are you really trying to tell us that the people interned there were regularly waterboarded, etc? Certainly conditions were bad, however families stayed together, and children were even born there. Is that happening at Gitmo?
January 15th, 2008 at 11:39 pmFinally please tell us some of the names among the “most economists” who supposedly believe that FDR (or do you mean FDC, whoever that was?) “prolonged the depression, or at best, to have made no contribution to shortening it.”
Not all men, not all cultures.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius
I agree, and I think it is indeed human nature to care for one another.
Example: What do you have more? Friends or Enemies?
What feeling makes you more happy? Befriend somebody or humiliate/hate somebody?
Extreme situation: A burglar tries to kill somebody of your family. What do you think it is your natural reaction? Protect your family or kill the burglar? Which event will make you more happy?
It is easy. I think that the argument that: Well, we are humans, that’s what we do, is simplistic and erroneus.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:39 pmComment by Sabyen91
There have been periods of hundreds of years of prosperity and peace…….not all of it I grant you. But it did happen thruout history. Most humans want peace if they can make a decent living. It’s the rogue ruling class that always screws things up for everyone.
My point is that peace did break out somtimes……and it still can.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:40 pmOK Everybody that agrees with Beck loses his Social Security, VA benefits, and cant ever use a National Park again. Show of hands? Anyone?
January 15th, 2008 at 11:41 pmdlet, so good to read you again.
(Does this kind of comments makes me look like an ass-kisser?)
January 15th, 2008 at 11:41 pmMan is militaristic. And territorial. We have not evolved past that.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 15, 2008 @ 11:37 pm
That’s what you stated originally but then after given just one person(Ghandi) you stated that not everyone would be militaristic in nature……I am having trouble following your logic to your conclusions. Blankets are meant for beds not for statements.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:43 pm“China for most of its history was an example of territorial battles and expansion between different factions that fought for control of the area until unification.
Comment by dlet — January 15, 2008 @ 11:39 pm”
And that only proves my point that China couldn’t be a superpower. Therefore they couldn’t take over large chunks of land.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:43 pm(Does this kind of comments makes me look like an ass-kisser?)
Comment by Juan C. — January 15, 2008 @ 11:41 pm
I’m sure dlet has a cute ass. ;)
January 15th, 2008 at 11:44 pmComment by Lora
That skunk ran a long time ago Lora. He didn’t have any proof to offer on the economists either…..just smoke.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:45 pm“I agree, and I think it is indeed human nature to care for one another.
Example: What do you have more? Friends or Enemies?
What feeling makes you more happy? Befriend somebody or humiliate/hate somebody?
Extreme situation: A burglar tries to kill somebody of your family. What do you think it is your natural reaction? Protect your family or kill the burglar? Which event will make you more happy?
It is easy. I think that the argument that: Well, we are humans, that’s what we do, is simplistic and erroneus.”
Juan, to protect your family and children is an animal instinct. It is something I would hope I would do but I have a strong instinctual bond with my son that would force me to want to die for him to protect him. That is what humans do.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:46 pmHey Juan….thanks. No. Nice comments aren’t ass-kissing. Anyways it would be cyber-ass kissing which is a lesser offense. I have been in the shadows lately….reading but not commenting. Been moving to a new place and I might be off the internets tubes for a while come the end of the month.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:46 pmIt’s funny how many of liberal grandfathers are staunch, racist, obtuse republicans, while Beck’s is an honest to goodness populist :)
January 15th, 2008 at 11:46 pm“That’s what you stated originally but then after given just one person(Ghandi) you stated that not everyone would be militaristic in nature……I am having trouble following your logic to your conclusions. Blankets are meant for beds not for statements.”
You are being unfair when you don’t take the responses to me into consideration. I was responding to other people and you don’t know what I was responding to.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:47 pmAnd that only proves my point that China couldn’t be a superpower. Therefore they couldn’t take over large chunks of land.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 15, 2008 @ 11:43 pm
No your point covers all of humanity and everyone in it. The history of China….while involves many….does not qualify to “prove” your statements.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:47 pmI’m sure dlet has a cute ass. ;)
Comment by Zooey
So it does!!! :{
January 15th, 2008 at 11:47 pm“There have been periods of hundreds of years of prosperity and peace…….not all of it I grant you. But it did happen thruout history. Most humans want peace if they can make a decent living. It’s the rogue ruling class that always screws things up for everyone.
My point is that peace did break out somtimes……and it still can.”
I agree to a point. The average person does not want war but can be cajoled by leaders and clever people into extreme nationalistic fervor. I once thought it would be impossible for anybody to duplicate what happened in Nazi Germany. I don’t find it so far-fetched anymore. And to compare the average person to those who would seek the ultimate power in the US (the presidency) is not fair. Those who seek the presidency are extremely ambitious, competitive and seemingly amoral.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:50 pmSo it does!!! :{
Comment by Juan C. — January 15, 2008 @ 11:47 pm
Heh. Enjoy…
January 15th, 2008 at 11:50 pmYou are being unfair when you don’t take the responses to me into consideration. I was responding to other people and you don’t know what I was responding to.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 15, 2008 @ 11:47 pm
Fine. I think that your statement that all men are inherently militaristic and territorial by nature to the point that we should expect constant war and struggle forever is wrong.
Please respond to this comment and then we can get on with a discussion on the topic.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:51 pmThat is what humans do.
Comment by Sabyen91
Exactly, so the vast majority of wars have not been the result of that natural instinct, that was my point. All wars are fought for economic reasons, no more, forget religion, that’s just some of the flavor, like spreading freedom or to stop a genocide. Every war is fought for power and profits. That’s not a natural instinct. You don’t need gold to survive, in fact, your organism expels it out.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:51 pm“It’s funny how many of liberal grandfathers are staunch, racist, obtuse republicans, while Beck’s is an honest to goodness populist :)
Comment by americangoy — January 15, 2008 @ 11:46 pm”
Mine was a funny old liberal dude that could have gotten all the tail he wanted…good man :)
January 15th, 2008 at 11:52 pm“No your point covers all of humanity and everyone in it. The history of China….while involves many….does not qualify to “prove†your statements.”
I did not bring up China, thank you. That was a point from someone else to prove that not every superpower was imperialistic.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:53 pmHeh. Enjoy…
Comment by Zooey
Ok…
Zooey, it is REALLY A PLEASURE TO READ YOU.
Ha!
January 15th, 2008 at 11:53 pmOk…
Zooey, it is REALLY A PLEASURE TO READ YOU.
Ha!
Comment by Juan C. — January 15, 2008 @ 11:53 pm
Incorrigible!!
January 15th, 2008 at 11:54 pm“Exactly, so the vast majority of wars have not been the result of that natural instinct, that was my point. All wars are fought for economic reasons, no more, forget religion, that’s just some of the flavor, like spreading freedom or to stop a genocide. Every war is fought for power and profits. That’s not a natural instinct. You don’t need gold to survive, in fact, your organism expels it out.”
And what drives people to want more money, more power, more control over other people?
January 15th, 2008 at 11:54 pmBeen moving to a new place and I might be off the internets tubes for a while come the end of the month.
Comment by dlet
Hope that not too long. :)
January 15th, 2008 at 11:54 pmWell, here is proof you can have your hemorrhoids worked on and become an even bigger a$$hole than you were before.
Give it up Glenn - now you are now an embarrassment to your family all the way back to Adam (or a pile of swamp goo - take your pick).
January 15th, 2008 at 11:55 pmAnd what drives people to want more money, more power, more control over other people?
Comment by Sabyen91
Ignorance.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:55 pmThere is nothing more selfish than an animal. Right or wrong is irrelevant. Survival is getting over on others.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:56 pmIncorrigible!!
Comment by Zooey
;)
January 15th, 2008 at 11:57 pm“And what drives people to want more money, more power, more control over other people?
Comment by Sabyen91
Ignorance.
Comment by Juan C. — January 15, 2008 @ 11:55 pm”
Not at all. It is ultra-survival. If you are have power you are more likely to survive.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:57 pmThere is nothing more selfish than an animal. Right or wrong is irrelevant. Survival is getting over on others.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 15, 2008 @ 11:56 pm
We have risen above the animals. Not Beck, but most of us.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:58 pmI did not bring up China, thank you. That was a point from someone else to prove that not every superpower was imperialistic.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 15, 2008 @ 11:53 pm
First you use my statement about China as proof your conclusion is correct and now you decry me for saying your conclusion os wrong for the very reason you used my original statement?…..{cue Twilight Zone music}
Nucking Futs!!!!
January 15th, 2008 at 11:58 pmIsn’t the “Librul controlled” media terrible? Why, a “conservative” voice can’t be heard anywhere! Its just so unfair!
January 15th, 2008 at 11:59 pm“We have risen above the animals. Not Beck, but most of us.
Comment by Zooey — January 15, 2008 @ 11:58 pm”
Have you taken a good, long look at the US lately?
January 15th, 2008 at 11:59 pmWhat a fucking asshole!
January 15th, 2008 at 11:59 pm“First you use my statement about China as proof your conclusion is correct and now you decry me for saying your conclusion os wrong for the very reason you used my original statement?…..{cue Twilight Zone music}
Nucking Futs!!!!
Comment by dlet — January 15, 2008 @ 11:58 pm”
Maybe if you could follow a thread you would understand. I understand that my point isn’t popular and I don’t particularly like it, myself but it seems to be true.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:01 amSurvival is getting over on others.
Comment by Sabyen91
True. But nature gave us the most advanced and dangerous defense organ ever created in this planet: no claws, no fangs, no poison and no incredible speed… but the brain. The brain tells us that killing the children of the women that we are about to marry that are not ours, is wrong. Lions don’t have that capacity, for example.
To pretend extrapolate Darwinism towards the social complexity of humans is a dangerous idea, I think. It justifies any kind of atrocities.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:01 am“And what drives people to want more money, more power, more control over other people?
Comment by Sabyen91
Ignorance.
Comment by Juan C. — January 15, 2008 @ 11:55 pmâ€
Not at all. It is ultra-survival. If you are have power you are more likely to survive.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 15, 2008 @ 11:57 pm
Ignorance? Survival? You folks are being too nice! It is “evil” (but not in the religious sense.)
January 16th, 2008 at 12:02 amNot at all. It is ultra-survival. If you are have power you are more likely to survive.
Comment by Sabyen91
See this is the evolution thing again…..we are breeding animals Sab, we are controling how some animals evolve. we have control of our destiny….well to some degree.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:02 am“True. But nature gave us the most advanced and dangerous defense organ ever created in this planet: no claws, no fangs, no poison and no incredible speed… but the brain”
Perhaps you have more faith in the human race. And I have a feeling you have less reason to.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:02 am“See this is the evolution thing again…..we are breeding animals Sab, we are controling how some animals evolve. we have control of our destiny….well to some degree.”
Of course we do. But it doesn’t change the fact that every superpower will eventually become imperialistic.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:03 am“Ignorance? Survival? You folks are being too nice! It is “evil†(but not in the religious sense.)
Comment by Merlin — January 16, 2008 @ 12:02 am”
That is a religious term. A man-made term. Scientifically, it doesn’t mean anything.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:04 amComment by Sabyen91 — January 15, 2008 @ 11:56 pm
There is nothing more selfish than an animal.
Animals are not selfish! Selfishness is solely a human trait.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:05 am“See this is the evolution thing again…..we are breeding animals Sab, we are controling how some animals evolve. we have control of our destiny….well to some degree.
Comment by Fred — January 16, 2008 @ 12:02 am”
I happen to think that those who hunger for power are less likely to let such petty things like morals dictate what they do.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:06 amIt is ultra-survival. If you are have power you are more likely to survive.
Comment by Sabyen91
How is VITAL for Bush and Cheney’s physical survival invading Iraq? How was VITAL for Zionists taking half the land of Palestines when they represented barely 6% of the population?
How was VITAL for Spain to conquer Incas and Aztecs, mercilessly, killing millions and millions? Did the KIngs were suffering and the only medicine was the genocide?
Nahhh, it is greed. It has nothing to do with survival.
Ignorance makes you greedy.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:06 amMaybe if you could follow a thread you would understand. I understand that my point isn’t popular and I don’t particularly like it, myself but it seems to be true.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 16, 2008 @ 12:01 am
I follow. But every time you make a statement it seems to blanket all of humanity with this aura of death for land and then write it off as boys will be boys.
Not everyone thinks that way. Why didn’t the US just take over Europe after WWII? Why are there people like Ghandi, Mother Theresa, MLK, Al Gore;), the guy who gave my NGO some space for free to store stuff? Blanket statement them away. They are out there. They may not be in control of the missles and bombs right now but history has been worse than it is right now.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:07 am“Animals are not selfish! Selfishness is solely a human trait.
Comment by Merlin — January 16, 2008 @ 12:05 am”
Perhaps. But animals don’t do ANYTHING that does not serve themselves. It probably can’t be called selfish as it is not a choice for them.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:08 amComment by Sabyen91 — January 15, 2008 @ 11:56 pm
There is nothing more selfish than an animal.
Animals are not selfish! Selfishness is solely a human trait.
Comment by Merlin — January 16, 2008 @ 12:05 am
Isn’t that anthroism…or something like that?
January 16th, 2008 at 12:09 amComment by Sabyen91 — January 16, 2008 @ 12:04 am
That is a religious term. A man-made term. Scientifically, it doesn’t mean anything.
Check out this dictionary definition. Evil has a definition that is not religious. I used evil in that way.
evil |ˈēvəl| adjective
• harmful or tending to harm : the evil effects of high taxes.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:10 amDid the KIngs were suffering … ?
Comment by Juan C.
Wow…sorry.
katy’s gonna be mad…
January 16th, 2008 at 12:11 amHave you taken a good, long look at the US lately?
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 15, 2008 @ 11:59 pm
They may have power for now, but we are the majority, and we will take this country back — peacefully (hopefully).
We are living in times of true ugliness. But read this:
When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it–always.
–Mahatma Gandhi
January 16th, 2008 at 12:11 amPerhaps. But animals don’t do ANYTHING that does not serve themselves. It probably can’t be called selfish as it is not a choice for them.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 16, 2008 @ 12:08 am
Serve themselves or their offspring, or their group, clan, herd….? Please clarify that statement.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:11 amNot everyone thinks that way. Why didn’t the US just take over Europe after WWII? Why are there people like Ghandi, Mother Theresa, MLK, Al Gore;), the guy who gave my NGO some space for free to store stuff? Blanket statement them away. They are out there. They may not be in control of the missles and bombs right now but history has been worse than it is right now.
I never said everyone thinks that way. I actually went out of my way to say not everybody thinks that way. But I think more people think that way than you think. Just look at how many people wanted to blow the Iranian speedboats out of the water. By the way, nobody in there right mind would have tried to take over Europe after WWII. It would have been an ugly fight with Russia who DID take Eastern Europe.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:12 am“Serve themselves or their offspring, or their group, clan, herd….? Please clarify that statement.
Comment by dlet — January 16, 2008 @ 12:11 am”
Any and all. Survival of self and species.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:13 amZoo, terrific finding.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:15 am“So just to clarify…..what’s your point?
Comment by dlet — January 15, 2008 @ 11:30 pmâ€
Man is militaristic. And territorial. We have not evolved past that.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 15, 2008 @ 11:37 pm
I never said everyone thinks that way. I actually went out of my way to say not everybody thinks that way.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 16, 2008 @ 12:12 am
Um…not so much.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:15 am“They may have power for now, but we are the majority, and we will take this country back — peacefully (hopefully).
We are living in times of true ugliness. But read this:
When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it–always.
–Mahatma Gandhi
Comment by Zooey — January 16, 2008 @ 12:11 am”
And yet, there is always a tyrant to replace him.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:16 amJust look at how many people wanted to blow the Iranian speedboats out of the water.
Comment by Sabyen91
Out of fear. People are trained.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:16 amAny and all. Survival of self and species.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 16, 2008 @ 12:13 am
So why is man as a species intent on killing one another? That doesn’t seem to help. Self yes but species…no.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:17 am“So just to clarify…..what’s your point?”
Comment by dlet — January 15, 2008 @ 11:30 pmâ€
Man is militaristic. And territorial. We have not evolved past that.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 15, 2008 @ 11:37 pm
I never said everyone thinks that way. I actually went out of my way to say not everybody thinks that way.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 16, 2008 @ 12:12 am
Um…not so much.
Comment by dlet — January 16, 2008 @ 12:15 am”
Man IS militaristic and territorial. Not every man will attack others for it.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:17 am“So why is man as a species intent on killing one another? That doesn’t seem to help. Self yes but species…no.
Comment by dlet — January 16, 2008 @ 12:17 am”
Because we are also tribal. Nationalism.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:18 amComment by Juan C. — January 16, 2008 @ 12:16 am
Out of fear. People are trained.
And then manipulated.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:19 am“Out of fear. People are trained.
Comment by Juan C. — January 16, 2008 @ 12:16 am”
And we are afraid because our alpha males are afraid. Just like animals.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:19 amBecause we are also tribal. Nationalism.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 16, 2008 @ 12:18 am
But I just saw there was a murder in Philly tonight…..aren’t we the same nationalisitc clan of the US? Why kill a clan member?
January 16th, 2008 at 12:20 amAnd yet, there is always a tyrant to replace him.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 16, 2008 @ 12:16 am
And he shall fail as well. Our sons and daughters will defeat the tyrants of the future, as we defeat the tyrants of today. We must have faith in them.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:20 am“But I just saw there was a murder in Philly tonight…..aren’t we the same nationalisitc clan of the US? Why kill a clan member?
Comment by dlet — January 16, 2008 @ 12:20 am”
Ridiculous.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:20 amAnd yet, there is always a tyrant to replace him.
Comment by Sabyen91
That seems to be true, but see how the reasons of the falling tyrant take the next tyrant to “modify” the current human living conditions in order to pacify the people who contributed to bringing down the past tyrant. They are called advances, and little by little, humans seem to be getting somewhere (sort of…)
January 16th, 2008 at 12:20 am“And he shall fail as well. Our sons and daughters will defeat the tyrants of the future, as we defeat the tyrants of today. We must have faith in them.
Comment by Zooey — January 16, 2008 @ 12:20 am”
That is an awfully cavalier attitude zoo. Millions can die and yet we have poetry that will heal our souls.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:22 amRidiculous.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 16, 2008 @ 12:20 am
Finally got there….whew. Yes it has been ridiculous.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:22 am“That seems to be true, but see how the reasons of the falling tyrant take the next tyrant to “modify†the current human living conditions in order to pacify the people who contributed to bringing down the past tyrant. They are called advances, and little by little, humans seem to be getting somewhere (sort of…)
Comment by Juan C. — January 16, 2008 @ 12:20 am”
I don’t see where we are getting anywhere. What is different now? You know better than anybody what the US has been doing in foreign countries for the past 100 years and we don’t even have tyrants.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:23 amdlet, fine. Everybody else I have spoken to about this doesn’t resort to the semantic word games you do. I am done with you.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:24 amSabyen91,
January 16th, 2008 at 12:25 amIf you can explain your theory of all men being inherently territorial and militaristic but ecluding those that are nice(Ghandi-ish), but only against other nationalistic clans, but maybe not if they are just murders within the said nation then I will never post here again…..oh yeah your explanation has to be rational.
And we are afraid because our alpha males are afraid. Just like animals.
Comment by Sabyen91
Nope. People are fearful because they are ignorant. They fear what they don’t know like gays, blacks and Russians back then.
Now, alpha males??? What are you talking about?
If you mean Bush and thug company, no, they are not afraid. They are greedy. They think a fulfilling life has to do with getting loads of money and power and stuff. They were taught that way, they are ignorant. Happiness is within us, not outside.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:26 amThat is an awfully cavalier attitude zoo. Millions can die and yet we have poetry that will heal our souls.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 16, 2008 @ 12:22 am
I’m sorry, JP. It’s all we have. We fight the good fight, and our children will fight the good fight of their generation. We have to trust in our ability to raise them to do so.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:26 amSabyen91, do you have a point? I mean where are you going with this? Do you have a suggestion?
January 16th, 2008 at 12:26 amIn my view mankind is in the middle of a long evolution of the brain. The frontal lobes are still developing and eventually reliance on pure instinct will be used for its intended purpose, under the control of the thinking brain.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:27 amdlet, fine. Everybody else I have spoken to about this doesn’t resort to the semantic word games you do. I am done with you.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 16, 2008 @ 12:24 am
My semantic word-games? Dude…your explanations of your conclusions drifts and floats like a light fog. Sorry but that’s the way I see it.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:28 am“Sabyen91,
If you can explain your theory of all men being inherently territorial and militaristic but ecluding those that are nice(Ghandi-ish), but only against other nationalistic clans, but maybe not if they are just murders within the said nation then I will never post here again…..oh yeah your explanation has to be rational.
Comment by dlet — January 16, 2008 @ 12:25 am”
Nice snideness, dlet. There are good reasons for murder (under my theory). Territorialism…someone is invading your abode, someone is threatening your livelihood, killing them would make your survival much more likely (insurance policy). Others are not. Perhaps they are out of rage (a very instinctive emotion) or are the result of mental defect.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:29 amMillions can die and yet we have poetry that will heal our souls.
Comment by Sabyen91
Millions have died and yes millions will die and that is why we must have poetry that will heal our souls.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:29 am“Now, alpha males??? What are you talking about?
If you mean Bush and thug company, no, they are not afraid. They are greedy. They think a fulfilling life has to do with getting loads of money and power and stuff. They were taught that way, they are ignorant. Happiness is within us, not outside.”
Yes, Bush and thug company. They APPEAR afraid so the sheep are afraid as well. Tell me what would happen if we had another terrorist attack. Logically we wouldn’t trust Bush but a lot of people would be clamoring for him to stay.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:31 amBen Gleck is, as usual, a complete idiot.
And, his grandad could probably kick his soft, lily white ass.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:31 am“Millions have died and yes millions will die and that is why we must have poetry that will heal our souls.
Comment by Fred — January 16, 2008 @ 12:29 am”
I guess I just must be the most cynical guy around because the poetry doesn’t do a thing for me.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:32 amsomeone is invading your abode
Comment by Sabyen91
Can’t remember anyone trying that for a long time….I guess there are cities where it happens but there are lots of areas in the world where folks don’t even lock their doors….if they have one.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:33 amAnd we are afraid because our alpha males are afraid. Just like animals.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 16, 2008 @ 12:19 am
You aren’t, by any stretch, referring to the chymp here, are you?
January 16th, 2008 at 12:34 amMillions have died and yes millions will die and that is why we must have poetry that will heal our souls.
Comment by Fred — January 16, 2008 @ 12:29 am
Yes! Because when we lose that which separates us from the animals, we deserve to perish.
With that, I bid you all goodnight. I am so f_cking drunk….
January 16th, 2008 at 12:35 amI guess I just must be the most cynical guy around because the poetry doesn’t do a thing for me.
Comment by Sabyen91
Pretty much Sab, but I do understand how you got there with things being the way they are. It manifests itself differently in different people…..I get angry and lose my temper sometimes…..braindead then for shor
January 16th, 2008 at 12:35 amYou can’t control destiny…destiny is pre-determined. Plus if you think you do have a destiny, the fact that you think you can control it is laughable. In the order of nature, you belong to a species if you hope to survive. And looking at our society or species, we aren’t fit to survive sans money and economics. Darwin would laugh at us if he saw our reliance on fast food and optional surgeries. We’re evolving into lay-abouts who can’t provide, nor fend for ourselves. When we complain about standing in line for too long at the store as a major hassle, our reproductive fitness is about as low as it gets.
That’s why “ultra-survival” doesn’t work in the U.S. or any rich nation.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:36 am“Can’t remember anyone trying that for a long time….I guess there are cities where it happens but there are lots of areas in the world where folks don’t even lock their doors….if they have one.
Comment by Fred — January 16, 2008 @ 12:33 am”
There are plenty of places. I don’t lock my doors because I live in a safe little town. Now, many states have passed pro-territorial laws lately that you can kill an intruder on sight without any thought as to whether they are a threat.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:36 amComment by Sabyen91 — January 16, 2008 @ 12:32 am
…because the poetry doesn’t do a thing for me.
Maybe you should look into that. A glass that is filled half way to the top can be seen two ways. The negative way has been shown to be less healthful than seeing the same glass as half full.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:36 amNite, Zooey!
January 16th, 2008 at 12:37 am“You aren’t, by any stretch, referring to the chymp here, are you?
Comment by RUCerious — January 16, 2008 @ 12:34 am”
Bush, Hitler, Stalin, Mao…doesn’t matter, there will always be some bastard.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:37 amI guess I just must be the most cynical guy around because the poetry doesn’t do a thing for me.
Comment by Sabyen91
Of course, it does…you just don´t call it poetry.
Hear your child laughing…there you go, that’s poetry.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:38 amThat’s why “ultra-survival†doesn’t work in the U.S. or any rich nation.
Comment by sectionop92 — January 16, 2008 @ 12:36 am
great point.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:38 amI wonder how many Americans would actually survive a complete meltdown of the economy, and be able to scratch out a subsistence living off the land…. My guess, not many.
“Pretty much Sab, but I do understand how you got there with things being the way they are. It manifests itself differently in different people…..I get angry and lose my temper sometimes…..braindead then for shor
Comment by Fred — January 16, 2008 @ 12:35 am”
Usually it is anger for me. Tonight it is a feeling of inevitability for me. We are going to have Hillary as our next president. I don’t trust her not to do the same thing.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:39 amBush, Hitler, Stalin, Mao…doesn’t matter, there will always be some bastard.
Comment by Sabyen91
IF people allow it…
January 16th, 2008 at 12:39 am“You can’t control destiny…destiny is pre-determined. Plus if you think you do have a destiny, the fact that you think you can control it is laughable.”
What? Is that a god thing?
January 16th, 2008 at 12:39 am#155 Comment by sectionop92 — January 16, 2008 @ 12:36 am
You can’t control destiny…destiny is pre-determined.
You do have proof of this, don’t you? Teach me about it.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:40 am“Of course, it does…you just don´t call it poetry.
Hear your child laughing…there you go, that’s poetry.
Comment by Juan C. — January 16, 2008 @ 12:38 am”
Heh, you are right, Juan. Makes me want to destroy Republicans even more.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:40 amFor the love of God, please, no more Glenn Beck, is there not a pundit to be found that discusses upcoming legislation and other pertinent things and not divisive Luntzian type emotional/irrational stupidity?
January 16th, 2008 at 12:41 amI don’t trust her not to do the same thing.
Comment by Sabyen91
Not to do the same thing as what…….she will be much like Bill. It wasn’t what we want but it was a far cry from where we are now.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:41 amCNN is no longer a real network. I watched them for a while tonight and got sick seeing the same old pack of Bush lovers and then before 10PM CST, Glenn Beck came on. That was the last straw.
Time Warner certainly knows how to screw up what Ted built. a pitiful shame.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:41 amFred, so far she has gone to the right of Bill. And Bill was centrist at best. She is more of a hawk than he was.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:42 amDid you see where she was ok with the at large caucus in Nevada…until the Culinary Union went for Obama. Now she has the Dems going to court to block the at large caucus. She is manipulative and if she thinks a war will help her numbers I have no doubt she will go for it.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:44 amBeck hasn’t been cool since Odelay
January 16th, 2008 at 12:46 amFred, so far she has gone to the right of Bill. And Bill was centrist at best. She is more of a hawk than he was.
Comment by Sabyen91
Look, zooie is gone for the evening but she’s right. If we have kids then we must look to the future. remember the country is finally swinging to the left. You will see more change than just who is in the white house I think.
Also the American people and the world are tired of the war and all of the problems and fear and corruption that go with it……that kind of corruption does not happen in a defensive war so much….it’s just spawned by wars of arression…somone pointed out greed as motive..
January 16th, 2008 at 12:47 amHillary only cries about her presidential aspirations, not about people dying.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:47 amHey Beck, discuss the current economy [recession] and who is largely responsible for that without making any of your goofy faces.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:48 amComment by Sabyen91 — January 16, 2008 @ 12:42 am
Fred, so far she has gone to the right of Bill. And Bill was centrist at best. She is more of a hawk than he was.
She is solid DLC, and all that it stands for! Pro corporation, pro “war”. I fear for her being our “choice.” My worst fear in November would be Hillary vs McBush. Another “anybody but McBush” vote.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:49 amFred, what makes you think Hillary woudn’t invade Iran? All evidence points to her willingness to do it.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:49 amAgreed Merlin, she even said she would have attacked Iraq if she was in Bush’s position.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:50 amIn his first 100 days, FDR was responsible for establishing the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) which restored confidence in the national banks. Without that protection, the free market would not have recovered - there wasn’t any faith in the economy. Big Business sued FDR’s National Recovery Administration that was succeeding in putting people back to work, but it was a threat to corporate freedom and gave too much power and pride to the workers. The Supreme Court agreed with Big Business.
Social Security was the final straw. A conspiracy of wealthy businessmen plotted a coup to overthrow FDR, but failed because the military would not go along. Many of these traitors were active in the America First Organization that was pro-Nazi and against American entering World War II on England’s side. They somewhat disappeared after Pearl Harbor.
FDR refused the idea of having a State Funeral while Americans were still dying in the war. That says a lot about a truly great leader.
Beck cannot fathom the meaning of honor and sacrifice. CNN should fire his ass immediately.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:51 amShe is solid DLC, and all that it stands for! Pro corporation, pro “warâ€. I fear for her being our “choice.†My worst fear in November would be Hillary vs McBush. Another “anybody but McBushâ€