Comments on: Bush’s empty talk on Middle East freedom. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:26:52 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Keith http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/comment-page-2/#comment-4229542 Keith Wed, 16 Jan 2008 02:57:02 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/#comment-4229542 I read somewhere that you must be a member of the royal family to get one of the top 2,000 positions in Saudi Arabia. Not my idea of democracy. Guess it's what W is used to, though. I read somewhere that you must be a member of the royal family to get one of the top 2,000 positions in Saudi Arabia. Not my idea of democracy. Guess it’s what W is used to, though.

]]> By: Keith http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/comment-page-2/#comment-4229540 Keith Wed, 16 Jan 2008 02:55:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/#comment-4229540 Hey you two, geta room! Those photos are embarrassing! Hey you two, geta room! Those photos are embarrassing!

]]> By: sacopenapa http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/comment-page-2/#comment-4229428 sacopenapa Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:06:22 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/#comment-4229428 Democracy USA style to me means 25 of military dictatorship, with torture and people disapearing from their homes and universities. General after Genaral selling out our resources to US's corporations... Ford, Philip Moris, Dysney, amongst many... Bush is in the Middle East, running like a chiken from the evidences of cover up (torture tapes), treason (valerie plame), war crimes (Iraq/Afeganistan), crimes against humanity (DIEGO GARCIA). If the US is serious about regaining its credibility, it must hold these war criminals accountable... otherwise they will have to make lots of movies, tv series, musicals proclaiming their noble deeds for centuries and centuries to come... INDICT ; IMPEACH; IMPRISON BUSH/CHENNEY AND THEIR JUNTA. Democracy USA style to me means 25 of military dictatorship, with torture and people disapearing from their homes and universities. General after Genaral selling out our resources to US’s corporations… Ford, Philip Moris, Dysney, amongst many… Bush is in the Middle East, running like a chiken from the evidences of cover up (torture tapes), treason (valerie plame), war crimes (Iraq/Afeganistan), crimes against humanity (DIEGO GARCIA). If the US is serious about regaining its credibility, it must hold these war criminals accountable… otherwise they will have to make lots of movies, tv series, musicals proclaiming their noble deeds for centuries and centuries to come… INDICT ; IMPEACH; IMPRISON BUSH/CHENNEY AND THEIR JUNTA.

]]> By: sacopenapa http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/comment-page-2/#comment-4229421 sacopenapa Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:58:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/#comment-4229421 ...and How can they possibly think the US has any international credibility? They war criminal in chief talks about freedom and democracy... ask how the people of DIEGO GARCIA thinks of USA/UK's democracy... freeedom... Fahlujah is another example, freedom and democracy for them feels and tates like white phosforo, made in USA! …and How can they possibly think the US has any international credibility? They war criminal in chief talks about freedom and democracy… ask how the people of DIEGO GARCIA thinks of USA/UK’s democracy… freeedom… Fahlujah is another example, freedom and democracy for them feels and tates like white phosforo, made in USA!

]]> By: drago http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/comment-page-2/#comment-4229415 drago Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:55:30 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/#comment-4229415 Bush is <strong>The King of Hypocrites</strong>. How dare he give a speech about Freedom from the United Arab Emirates, a country where <em>no one can vote</em><strong>!</strong> Bush is The King of Hypocrites.

How dare he give a speech about Freedom from the United Arab Emirates, a country where no one can vote!

]]> By: Cal Malenky http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/comment-page-2/#comment-4229318 Cal Malenky Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:04:33 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/#comment-4229318 Bush is more comfortable with hereditary monarchs because he sees himself as a king. He sucks up to the Saudis, who provided the lion's share of the 9/11 hijackers and whose people danced in the streets that day, while rattling a saber at Iran, who provided none of the 9/11 hijackers and whose people mourned for the victims on 9/11. Bushworld, the wonderland on the other side of the mirror, where fantasy is fact. Bush is more comfortable with hereditary monarchs because he sees himself as a king.
He sucks up to the Saudis, who provided the lion’s share of the 9/11 hijackers and whose people danced in the streets that day, while rattling a saber at Iran, who provided none of the 9/11 hijackers and whose people mourned for the victims on 9/11.
Bushworld, the wonderland on the other side of the mirror, where fantasy is fact.

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-4229317 katy Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:02:49 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/#comment-4229317 No, read it. [...] Comment by imorgan82 — January 15, 2008 @ 4:06 pm i'm not sure i agree with that synopsis... but it's plausible... i also thought it sounded like the contractors will be busier there too... but, i thought i detected a subversive attitude the first time i read it... now i think hirsh is sounding an alarm... maybe... until i read this part: <em>The <strong>upshot</strong> is that the next president, Democrat or Republican, is likely to be handed a fait accompli that could well render moot his or her own elaborate withdrawal plans...</em> why is that an "upshot"? ah well... i just wondered at that time if hirsh was a shill... thanks for your feedback... No, read it.
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Comment by imorgan82 — January 15, 2008 @ 4:06 pm

i’m not sure i agree with that synopsis… but it’s plausible…
i also thought it sounded like the contractors will be busier there too…

but, i thought i detected a subversive attitude the first time i read it…
now i think hirsh is sounding an alarm… maybe…

until i read this part:
The upshot is that the next president, Democrat or Republican, is likely to be handed a fait accompli that could well render moot his or her own elaborate withdrawal plans…

why is that an “upshot”?
ah well… i just wondered at that time if hirsh was a shill…
thanks for your feedback…

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-4229276 Zooey Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:35:19 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/#comment-4229276 The Chimperor and his Evil Minions don't even try to put on a good show anymore. Fascism is on the march... The Chimperor and his Evil Minions don’t even try to put on a good show anymore. Fascism is on the march…

]]> By: Badger http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-4229246 Badger Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:21:30 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/#comment-4229246 It is totally unfair to judge JFK by today"s standards. In the early 60's, schools. lunchcounters. and drinking fountains in the Deepsouth were Racially Segregated...that's American Apartheid. Marriage between Blacks and Whites, such as Obama's parents., was ILLEGAL in some states. JFK was hated by many in the south for his racial policies. He was hated by many others for his alleged "appeasement of Communism", after the Bay of Pigs. Google "operation northwoods" to get a flavor of the times. He Did prevent World War III, by handling the Cuban missle crisis with skill and intelligence. His martyrdom did allow the passage of civil rights legislation. It is totally unfair to judge JFK by today”s standards. In the early 60’s, schools. lunchcounters. and drinking fountains in the Deepsouth were Racially Segregated…that’s American Apartheid.
Marriage between Blacks and Whites, such as Obama’s parents., was ILLEGAL in some states.
JFK was hated by many in the south for his racial policies. He was hated by many others for his alleged “appeasement of Communism”, after the Bay of Pigs. Google “operation northwoods” to get a flavor of the times.

He Did prevent World War III, by handling the Cuban missle crisis with skill and intelligence. His martyrdom did allow the passage of civil rights legislation.

]]> By: Juan C. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-4229238 Juan C. Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:18:31 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/#comment-4229238 Fred, I will be more respectful, then. Fred, I will be more respectful, then.

]]> By: Fred http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-4229230 Fred Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:16:03 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/#comment-4229230 No, I don’t. I lost it when I threw napalm over Vietnamese children. Comment by Juan C Look Juan, I was in Nam and I was a veteran protestor.....we started the anit-war movement that finally ended that nightmare. We protested what democrats were doing and we protested what Nixon was doing. I said they weren't perfect but they are far better than what we have now. FYI it wasn't Kennedy that escalated the war to the point of 350 of our fine soldiers dieing each week, it was Johnson and Nixon. No, I don’t. I lost it when I threw napalm over Vietnamese children.

Comment by Juan C

Look Juan, I was in Nam and I was a veteran protestor…..we started the anit-war movement that finally ended that nightmare. We protested what democrats were doing and we protested what Nixon was doing. I said they weren’t perfect but they are far better than what we have now.

FYI it wasn’t Kennedy that escalated the war to the point of 350 of our fine soldiers dieing each week, it was Johnson and Nixon.

]]> By: Juan C. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-4229214 Juan C. Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:09:31 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/#comment-4229214 <em>You do not hold the authority to judge JFK by yourself…. Comment by Fred</em> No, I don't. I lost it when I threw napalm over Vietnamese children. You do not hold the authority to judge JFK by yourself….
Comment by Fred

No, I don’t. I lost it when I threw napalm over Vietnamese children.

]]> By: Fred http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-4229197 Fred Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:05:10 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/#comment-4229197 That speaks volumes of your moral integrity. Comment by Juan C You judge all you want. I'm still going to say what I think and I don't think digging up shit on Kennedy or Clinton and slinging it around will justify any defense of the current administration. I said I believed that the Kennedy era was more progressive than the bush era. I still believe that. Were they perfect. No. I have already admitted that. You do not hold the authority to judge JFK by yourself....you may have your opinion too but I will have mine. That speaks volumes of your moral integrity.

Comment by Juan C

You judge all you want. I’m still going to say what I think and I don’t think digging up shit on Kennedy or Clinton and slinging it around will justify any defense of the current administration.

I said I believed that the Kennedy era was more progressive than the bush era. I still believe that. Were they perfect. No. I have already admitted that. You do not hold the authority to judge JFK by yourself….you may have your opinion too but I will have mine.

]]> By: LividLib http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-4229196 LividLib Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:04:53 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/#comment-4229196 top left picture caption: "you guys are so lucky! beheading is so much more fun than lethal injections!" top left picture caption:

“you guys are so lucky! beheading is so much more fun than lethal injections!”

]]> By: Bad Eye http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-4229189 Bad Eye Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:00:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/#comment-4229189 <strong>Bush Presses Saudi Arabia Over Oil Prices</strong> <a href="http://news.aol.com/story/_a/bush-presses-saudi-arabia-over-oil/20080115063209990001" rel="nofollow">Link.</a> President Bush urged OPEC nations on Tuesday to put more oil on the world market and warned that soaring prices could cause an economic slowdown in the United States. (What was it that Bush previously said about letting the market control prices??) “High energy prices can damage consuming economies,” the president told a small group of reporters traveling with him in the Mideast. O. Bigfoot told me the other day not to worry. Bush Presses Saudi Arabia Over Oil Prices

Link.

President Bush urged OPEC nations on Tuesday to put more oil on the world market and warned that soaring prices could cause an economic slowdown in the United States.

(What was it that Bush previously said about letting the market control prices??)

“High energy prices can damage consuming economies,” the president told a small group of reporters traveling with him in the Mideast.

O. Bigfoot told me the other day not to worry.

]]> By: Juan C. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-4229185 Juan C. Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:57:23 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/#comment-4229185 Right bottom picture caption: Yes, I still have sand within my trousers. Right bottom picture caption:

Yes, I still have sand within my trousers.

]]> By: judyinnm http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-4229184 judyinnm Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:55:26 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/#comment-4229184 So, tell me again why so many homophobes object to having to see gays showing affection, in public? I've spent time in San Francisco and other places with large gay communities; and never saw so much hand holding and smooching as georgejr & the King Abdullah have been flaunting for the cameras, in the past few days. For me, it's not that 2 men are engaged in public affection - it's having to watch them "screw" each other I object to. So, tell me again why so many homophobes object to having to see gays showing affection, in public? I’ve spent time in San Francisco and other places with large gay communities; and never saw so much hand holding and smooching as georgejr & the King Abdullah have been flaunting for the cameras, in the past few days.

For me, it’s not that 2 men are engaged in public affection – it’s having to watch them “screw” each other I object to.

]]> By: Juan C. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-4229183 Juan C. Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:55:21 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/#comment-4229183 <em>I lived in JFK era. One of the most progressive era’s in American history. Ok he wasn’t perfect but I think your just trying to piss me off with this bs. Comment by Fred </em> This site is called ThinkProgress, not ThinkDem or ThinkHypocrisy. If you are pissed when someone (including myself) trashes some Dem Presidents because of their awful foreign policies that have caused death and pain across the world, then you can't call yourself a Progressive, which means going forward. You are doing the exact same thing than Republican trolls do here, justify, by any means tha doings of their President, just because he is not from "the other side". That speaks volumes of your moral integrity. I lived in JFK era. One of the most progressive era’s in American history. Ok he wasn’t perfect but I think your just trying to piss me off with this bs.
Comment by Fred

This site is called ThinkProgress, not ThinkDem or ThinkHypocrisy.

If you are pissed when someone (including myself) trashes some Dem Presidents because of their awful foreign policies that have caused death and pain across the world, then you can’t call yourself a Progressive, which means going forward. You are doing the exact same thing than Republican trolls do here, justify, by any means tha doings of their President, just because he is not from “the other side”.

That speaks volumes of your moral integrity.

]]> By: LividLib http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-4229176 LividLib Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:49:49 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/#comment-4229176 the top left picture is precious! how appropriate! caption contest, anyone? the top left picture is precious! how appropriate!

caption contest, anyone?

]]> By: 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-4229168 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:47:06 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/bush%e2%80%99s-empty-talk-on-middle-east-freedom/#comment-4229168 I would not chance a repub getting elected just because I wouldn’t vote for obama for this reason…… Comment by Fred — January 15, 2008 @ 4:21 pm I understand and appreciate your need for relief. My fear is that under Hillary or Barack's plan the insurance policy you're forced to buy will be worthless. You'll have a policy but the insurance co's will fight you over coverage for every procedure. Now add 50 million more people to the equation. The insurance co's are only going to get nastier and fight claims even harder. To me, its obvious Hillary and Barack's plan is doomed to failure. I would not chance a repub getting elected just because I wouldn’t vote for obama for this reason……

Comment by Fred — January 15, 2008 @ 4:21 pm

I understand and appreciate your need for relief. My fear is that under Hillary or Barack’s plan the insurance policy you’re forced to buy will be worthless. You’ll have a policy but the insurance co’s will fight you over coverage for every procedure. Now add 50 million more people to the equation. The insurance co’s are only going to get nastier and fight claims even harder. To me, its obvious Hillary and Barack’s plan is doomed to failure.

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