Huckleberry is too conservative on religion and too liberal on criminals and the economy and immigration.

Huckabye? Huckabee wants to have adulterers, homosexuals and rape victims stoned to death. He also wants to make alcohol and music videos illegal, and make women 2nd class citizens and to take all girls out of school.

Oops, my bad, that’s another ‘religion’.

Hey, anybody but the PIAPS!

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I agree with you completely on that. When I speak of personal responsibility, I speak from the perspective of the average citizen, not as a politician seeking to prevent tax money from being spent on social programs while lining their pockets.

You are correct. Both parties are guilty of hypocrisy.

Of course, I believe that the Republican/conservative hypocrisy is much more pernicious, as they claim to be the party of “take responsibility for your actions” and then refuse to take responsibility for their actions, but that’s my bias on display! ;-)

Honestly, I think that American Dems and Reps have much more in common than they do in opposition than either side wants to readily admit.

It’s our elected officials that take things to an extreme that makes average citizens want to puke until they die. (Only slight hypoberle on that statement.)

It’s not like the Republicans or cons have ever complained about “freedom of speech”, they’re much more about curtailing speech with which they don’t agree rather than giving everyone a right to say their opinion. ;-)

Comment by Democrat Soldier — January 16, 2008 @ 2:44 pm

So is it possible that we are actually in agreement that Dems and Republicans alike are guilty of hypocrisy? ;)

Well, I do have to give you points on that argument.

It’s not like the Republicans or cons have ever complained about “freedom of speech”, they’re much more about curtailing speech with which they don’t agree rather than giving everyone a right to say their opinion. ;-)

Mark 7:20-25

” And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. ”

Would you count the Republicans “coveting” the Majority status of the Democratic party?

Would you count the “deceit” of the Bush Administration

Would you even notice the “adultries” of then Speaker Rep. Gingrich at the exact same time that he was hounding then Pres. Clinton?

Why the double standard? Why are SOME verses of the Bible exactly as you would spin them, while you oh-so conveniently ignore the one that staes women should shut up in Church?

1 corinthians 14:34-3534-35

“Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.”

I have no problem understanding why Christ didn’t comment on homosexuality. It’s not a topic for polite conversation, either then or now.

Neither does He specifically remark on fornication, a much broader word meaning any illicit sexual behavior but usually assumed to mean premarital sex. However, Christ does remark on the ideal behavior – one man one woman – when he’s questioned about divorce in Matthew 19. Here Christ states the Creator’s intent as record in Genesis.

Christ makes it clear that the proper sexual behavior is important. He also makes it clear that heart – one’s attitude – is also important. This is the action-attitude remark He makes in Matthew 5 where he says that if one looks at a woman lustfully one has already committed adultery in his heart. There’s a similar verse in this chapter saying that being angry will make one subject to the judgement. These are almost impossibly high standards, and I think, can only be understood in light of the greatest command and the second greatest command: Love God and love your neighbor as yourself.

You wisely note that the Bible has no recorded quotes from Christ on the practice of homosexuality. Neither does he remark on child abuse, rape, or any number of obvious sins.

He also doesn’t remark on offering a child to an idol, and he doesn’t remark on the propriety of a woman having sex with an animal. These two subjects, to me at least, are not really good topics for polite conversation, but they are, however, the topics before and after the men with men sex prohibition in Leviticus 18.

As far as the heart issue, Mark 7 lists an number of actions that Christ says come from a person’s heart.

Mark 7:20

He went on: “What comes out of a man is what makes him ‘unclean.’ For from within, out of men’s hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man ‘unclean.’ ”

Believe it’s safe to assume that “sexual immorality” would include homosexuality.

I think anyone should be able to say anything they want, but should be mature enough to accept criticism when others refuse to subscribe to their opinion. If your opinions cannot withstand scrutiny and opposition, then how good are those opinions to begin with?

Comment by Democrat Soldier — January 16, 2008 @ 11:21 am

You got a little off track, there bud. While there are obviously Christians who hate homosexuals, most just hate the sin not the person. Advocating a ban on same sex marriage isn’t the same as hating homosexuals.

And I’m sure you know I never commented on disagreement with the substance of Huck’s words. Criticize away! The only thing I addressed was those saying his speech was treasonous or unlawful and the lack of response from those on the left who are well known for raising a ruckus at the very idea of regulating speech. Seeing the vigor with which posters oppose anything Christian in public life, we know the lack of response is not due to a lack of passion on the part of TP libs. ;)

Good point! Not all Christians want to limit free speech, just as all libs support the burning of the flag.

It’s usually the “c”hristians that want to be able to say how much they hate homosexuals, but if anyone says how much they hate the “c”hristians it’s suddenly “hate speech”. Can’t have it both ways!

I think anyone should be able to say anything they want, but should be mature enough to accept criticism when others refuse to subscribe to their opinion. If your opinions cannot withstand scrutiny and opposition, then how good are those opinions to begin with?

Comment by Democrat Soldier — January 16, 2008 @ 10:04

The only problem with that, of course, is that it assumes all Christians want to limit free speech. That would be like assuming all libs are flag burners. ;)

I’m assuming you are a non-believer, as most here seem to be. Whether you are or not, it is impractical to try to fully explain here the difference in Biblical laws meant only for Jews, those meant for all and what was changed with the coming of Christ. If anyone truly wants to know, as opposed to just looking for something to use (misconstrue) in an argument, they can easily find that information. Jesus obviously didn’t care for attempts to use the Old Testament to entrap others. Jesus also said, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy, but to fulfill.” We don’t throw out the Old Testament. Those looking to discredit Christians pick and choose statements, disregarding the true meaning, and then simply attack the Bible when their errors are pointed out to them. I absoultely agree that we will be held to account for our treatment of the needy. God never said, however, that we should make people dependent upon government.
As for war, I never supported going into Iraq, so I’ll not defend Bush. I’m sure you are aware that God’s people fought many battles. God never said there is no justification for war. I doubt that God will interpret the actions of Bush the same way you do. That’s between God and Bush.
When I make reference to John the Baptist, I’ll be happy to clarify it for ya. ;)

Well, the true Christian approach is to treat others as you would have them treat you, so when libs repeat the actions of the cons, what’s so surprising of that? ;_0

Sounds like you’re talking about RedState, where anyone is banned if they refuse to repeat the party line approved by the ultra-radical right-whiners.

I still haven’t heard of all your posts being deleted simply for posting a contrary opinion.

Comment by Democrat Soldier — January 16, 2008 @ 7:17 am

Sorry, bud, but I’m referring to posts earlier in this thread such as :

Maybe some civil rights group needs to bring treasonous charges against Mike Huckabee??
Comment by Veritas — January 15, 2008 @ 1:43 pm

There were a couple of others. To their credit, a couple of libs did point out that Huck was exercising his right to free speech. I just found interesting the absence of outrage at such statements when directed at someone with whom libs disagree. Suddenly, free speech isn’t such a good thing after all? Appears to be a bit of a double standard regarding free speech. ;)

Shelley – are you an idiot?

I am proud that my country is forward thinking enough to allow symbolic action in support of free thought even when that thought may be ill advised or disrespectful. My experience is that both are very uncommon.

Do not again use such an inane connection between your political opponents and patriotism again if you wish a sane person to listen to your ideas.

Comment by dbadass — January 16, 2008 @ 1:00 am

So you somehow read rampant flag burning into my comment? Sorry for your misunderstanding, bud. You should read a little more carefully. It’s interesting that you ignored the main point of the post regarding libs objecting to the free speech of those with different points of view and instead chose to misconstrue one sentence, which, by the way, is true as we both know. Unless, in your view, something offensive done infrequently makes it ok. ;)

I’m the first to admit that I’m not political and I couldn’t care less who wins the election (so when I get done here – feel free to go ahead and let ME have it!). I just see worrying about that stuff as wasted energy. I could be wrong (probably am!) but I think spending time focusing on political speeches just tempts us to shoot at what I consider the wrong target. Don’t you think it’s more important to learn how to love your kids and families well and to care for the people who cross our pathes every day than to care about something a candidate said or did?

Honestly, I’m much more shaken up and concerned with the hatred and mean spirited/non-helpful comments I see here than I wouldbe if Huckabee actually succeeded in changing our constitution. The president of the USA has power, ok. But the people commenting here are representative of the people who SURROUND my kids (and me!) every day. ….. talk about IMPACT and POWER. That’s s.c.a.r.e.y!

ok. I’ll stop. Just take it for what it’s worth….something to think about. I’ll be the first to say that I don’t know much. I’m just thinking this might not be the best way to address the problems of the world…

I’m the first to admit that I’m not political and I couldn’t care less who wins the election (so when I get done here – feel free to go ahead and let ME have it!). I just see worrying about that stuff as wasted energy. I could be wrong (probably am!) but I think spending time focusing on political speeches just tempts us to shoot at what I consider the wrong target. Don’t you think it’s more important to learn how to love your kids and families well and how to care for the people who cross our pathes every day than I am about something a candidate said or did?

Honestly, I’m much more shaken up and concerned with the hatred and mean spirited/non-helpful comments I see here than I wouldbe if Huckabee actually succeeded in changing our constitution. The president of the USA has power, ok. But the people commenting here are representative of the people who SURROUND my kids (and me!) every day. ….. talk about IMPACT and POWER. s.c.a.r.e.y!

ok. I’ll stop. Just take it for what it’s worth….something to think about. I’ll be the first to say that I don’t know much. I’m just thinking this might not be the best way to address the problems of the world…

sadly,
selah