NV Supreme Court blocks Kucinich from debate.
MSNBC reports that the Nevada Supreme Court has ruled that NBC can block Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) from tonight’s presidential debate in Las Vegas, overturning an earlier ruling by a Clark County District Judge. NBC had uninvited Kucinich after changing its participation criteria.
UPDATE: AP reports more on the court’s decision:
The state Supreme Court’s unanimous order said that blocking the debate unless Kucinich got to participate would be ”an unconstitutional prior restraint” on the news network’s First Amendment rights. The justices also said the lower court exceeded its jurisdiction by ordering Kucinich’s participation even though he first requested and was denied relief from the Federal Communications Commission.
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January 15th, 2008 at 8:30 pmNo live blogging of the MSNBC “debate” at TheZoo tonight.
January 15th, 2008 at 8:31 pmCall MSNBC and tell them what you think:
1-212-664-4444
January 15th, 2008 at 8:32 pmLet them know how you feel. I did.
January 15th, 2008 at 8:34 pmGeneral Electric owns MSNBC. Lets take a look at the scumbag company that’s deciding which candidates you get to choose from is all about:
GE’s history with nuclear power is an ugly one. In the 1940s-1960s the company ran experiments on humans with radiation, including irradiating the reproductive organs of prison inmates in Walla Walla, Washington, without warning them of the risk of cancer. Other tests were run on the elderly and hospital patients. General Electric intentionally released large amounts of radiation into the air from the Hanford Nuclear Reservation in Richland, in order to see the distance it would travel. These atrocities were revealed in hearings in 1986 held by Representative Edward Markey of Massachusetts. The company has also been accused of knowingly poisoning its workers at the Knolls Atomic Power Laboratory in Schenectady, New York with radiation and asbestos.
http://www.corpwatch.org/ article.php?list=type&type=16
January 15th, 2008 at 8:35 pmI’m curious, will they allow Olbermann to comment on this?
January 15th, 2008 at 8:35 pmNow why wouldn’t GE want YOU to hear from the Peace Candidate?
…General Electric is one of the world’s top three producers of jet engines, supplying Boeing, Lockheed Martin and other military aircraft makers for the powering of airplanes and helicopters.
The “war on terrorism†has seen GE’s military contracts rise substantially. But the company’s “defense†side has been doing well for a while. GE and other military contractors got a big boost under the Clinton administration from Presidential Directive 41 which stated that it was the job of US diplomats to promote arms sales abroad in order to safeguard American jobs; this directive tied the promotions of diplomats to how effectively they hocked US armaments.
http://www.corpwatch.org/ article.php?list=type&type=16
January 15th, 2008 at 8:36 pm2Million, that’s a great site.
January 15th, 2008 at 8:36 pmI’m just guessing that Kucinich is against nuclear power! Ding! Ding! Ding!
GE has designed 91 nuclear power plants in 11 countries, yet its nuclear reactors around the world have a fatal flaw. In the event of a nuclear meltdown, there is a 90 percent chance that radiation from GE-designed reactors would be discharged directly into the atmosphere. While the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission is aware of the problem, it continues to license GE nuclear reactors.
http://www.corpwatch.org/ article.php?list=type&type=16
January 15th, 2008 at 8:38 pmI’ve already written them, congratulating them on further diminishing political discourse in this country. Fug’em.
January 15th, 2008 at 8:39 pmWill we ever hear corporate brown shirt whores like Chuck Todd, Tim Russert or Chuck Todd present these stories on MSNBC???
…General Electric has been involved in so many cases of fraud that in the 1990s the Pentagon’s Defense Contract Management Agency created a special investigations office specifically for the company, which indicted GE on 22 criminal counts and recovered $221.7 million. In one case, in 1992, GE entered a guilty plea to criminal and civil charges for defrauding the Pentagon in a case where money was funneled to the Israeli military. GE was fined $69 million for violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.
GE’s financial division has been another area ripe for fraud. GE was fined $100 million for trying to get bankrupt creditors to pay without informing the bankruptcy courts, in effect paying debts that they no longer legally owed. Not surprisingly, General Electric is the financial backer of WorldCom, the telecom company whose massive fraud and creative accounting led to the largest bankruptcy in US history.
http://www.corpwatch.org/ article.php?list=type&type=16
January 15th, 2008 at 8:40 pmChalk one up for the Media Consolidation Despots. Can’t have anyone uttering offensive truths and embarrass the 3 anointed corporate whores in public.
Welcome to the bowdlerized dem debate. F_ck MSNBC!
January 15th, 2008 at 8:40 pmFascism has to control the media. That is their greatest tool to control the masses. The tell us what we need to hear to keep a perpetual war for the military industrial complex profits. Fascism has arrived wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross and he was one dumb sob pulling the wool over our eyes in ‘00 and ‘04.
January 15th, 2008 at 8:42 pmIf Obama, Hillary, and John really cared about our democracy, they should all walk out on the debates. This is despicable! The primary has just begun and we can’t hear all the presidential candidates??? This is American style “democracy”!!!!
January 15th, 2008 at 8:48 pmSo it’s within MSNBC’s first amendment right to block Kucinich’s first amendment rights?
January 15th, 2008 at 8:48 pmWay to go chympSCOTUS.
The story tonight is obvious. No, it’s not the much hyped “racial” fight between Hillary and Barack. That’s only a narrative used by the corporate goons to attract eyeballs.
The story tonight is the blatant, obvious, overreaching power of corporations to affect our political process.
This is not a matter of whether Kucinich will win the Presidency. This IS a matter of the free flow of ideas between representatives and the people. When this process is restricted Democracy suffers.
January 15th, 2008 at 8:48 pmCorrection, chympSCONEV…
January 15th, 2008 at 8:49 pmAnybody got a list of MSNBC Sponsors we can boycott?
January 15th, 2008 at 8:49 pmI’m obviously not going to watch, but how else do we get a sponsor list to notify of the boycott of their products?
Spot on, RUC.
Funny how corporations have First Amendment rights, but the only obligation they have is to make more money…
January 15th, 2008 at 8:51 pmKucinich was the only candidate, other than Gravel, that was truly left of center.
January 15th, 2008 at 8:51 pmWelcome to the new Amerika.
No voice of the people. You have to buy into the race and into the corporate world of their own interests.
Don’t watch the debates. Numbers speak louder than words.
F-em
Yes, Keith did talk about it (rather clinically, IMHO) but he did address it.
Once Countdown is over, I am switching channels.
January 15th, 2008 at 8:53 pmDemocracy in the USA is a joke.
January 15th, 2008 at 8:53 pmWow, Olberman’s platform and all, I am shocked. Haven’t seen anything on his show about it yet though, go figure.
As a consolation prize, however, he did name all Republican Presidential candidates as the Worst Person in the World tonight….Col. Jack, was it you who said Olberman was “an independent by any measure”? Yeeeaaahhh….
Ooh! Here comes his debate story…no mention of DK yet.
January 15th, 2008 at 8:53 pmcalled nbc, 1-212-664-4444 just now….
a girl answered the phone quickly. I asked why they disqualified Dennis from the debate, and without saying anything, she dumped me into the comment voicebox. so I left a message (that will most likely be deleted without ever being heard).
NBPravda does not like dissent.
The girl seemed agitated so I’m guessing she has received other calls.
January 15th, 2008 at 8:54 pmAnother reason for eliminating NBC from my house.
January 15th, 2008 at 8:54 pmYes, Keith did talk about it (rather clinically, IMHO) but he did address it.
Once Countdown is over, I am switching channels.
Comment by Ms_Joanne — January 15, 2008 @ 8:53 pm
Guess I missed it, must’ve been brief.
January 15th, 2008 at 8:54 pmKeltoi, it was at the top of the hour. He did talk about it and then did an update that the NV supremes said no to Kuchinich.
January 15th, 2008 at 8:55 pmHow’s the law work. Alan Keyes is allowed in a Debate when he isn’t running for President yet Rep. Dennis Kucinich who is running and gets votes can’t be in a Debate. Somethings wrong with this picture and law.
January 15th, 2008 at 8:55 pmI agree that NBC is looking like they’re in the Bush Administration’s back pocket. So much for US Democracy it’s gone.
I only watched msnbc because of KO.
January 15th, 2008 at 8:57 pmNo more. Bye Keith and msnbc.
generalcomments@feedback.msnbc.com; phil.griffin@nbcuni.com; bill.wolff@nbcuni.com, hardball@msnbc.com, countdown@msnbc.com, hardball@msnbc.com, joe@msnbc.com, today@nbc.com, info@cnbc.com, nightly@nbc.com, MTP@nbc.com, tom.lea@nbc.com, jonathan.wald@nbc.com, lisa.hsia@nbc.com, betsy.fischer@nbc.com
January 15th, 2008 at 8:57 pmCorporations are NOT people…
January 15th, 2008 at 8:58 pmCorporations are NOT people…
Comment by dawnisnear
Well, the law made to recognize slaves as persons says they are…
January 15th, 2008 at 9:00 pmWhat is costing MSNBC to allow Kucinich to debate? !!
January 15th, 2008 at 9:01 pmThis is crazy…He brings a different opinion…He is a liked person..very strong…
I think MSNBC will lose more than it will gain by such action.
The campaign just began…
This proves that there are invisible hands playing the cards of the whole elections..from this to counting the votes…
If the front runners in the Democratic party truly believed in Democracy they would pull out of any debates that do not include all of the candidates. That would be a sign that are really the party of the people.
January 15th, 2008 at 9:04 pm10% of the MI votes counted and Romney is announced the projected winner. How does 10% make a winner???
January 15th, 2008 at 9:05 pmGuess I missed it, must’ve been brief.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 15, 2008 @ 8:54 pm
You MISSED SOMETHING? What a CONCEPT!!! ROTFL!!! What’s HYSTERICAL is YOUR SURPRISE!!! ‘TARD you MISS EVERYTHING!! ROTFL!!!
January 15th, 2008 at 9:05 pmCorporations are NOT people…
Comment by dawnisnear — January 15, 2008 @ 8:58 pm
That’s debatable.
It’s the Wiki, so you might want to do some follow up reading.
January 15th, 2008 at 9:06 pm10% of the MI votes counted and Romney is announced the projected winner. How does 10% make a winner???
Comment by Ms_Joanne — January 15, 2008 @ 9:05 pm
Same way a 24%er like Keltoi thinks HE’S A WINNER!! ROTFL!!
January 15th, 2008 at 9:06 pmThe MSM filters our choices. Why isn’t that illegal?
January 15th, 2008 at 9:06 pmThe MSM filters our choices. Why isn’t that illegal?
Comment by nellre — January 15, 2008 @ 9:06 pm
Next, they’re looking to do the same thing to the internet. Getting time to break out the indian costumes and dump some tea…
January 15th, 2008 at 9:12 pmCorporations are NOT people…
Comment by dawnisnear — January 15, 2008 @ 8:58 pm
That’s debatable.
It’s the Wiki, so you might want to do some follow up reading.
Comment by Zooey — January 15, 2008 @ 9:06 pm
You’re right, follow-up reading is required. One could not seriously put forth the following argument if they were really an apologist for corporate personhood. From Wiki:
Of course, the founders could have had no such intention concerning corporations as such entities did not exist at the time of the founding of the country.
January 15th, 2008 at 9:18 pmMy challenge to Keith Olbermann…Expose the reprehensible actions of your network. Show us the courage we’ve come to expect from your show. This is a telling moment, Keith. You either keep silent and slowly, almost imperceptibly, become one of them. Or report on and expose the level of corruption in the decision of your network to silence dissenting points of view.
Its easy to report on the actions of a stooge like Bill O’Reilly and Fox News. The real challenge comes when the assault is from within. Will you keep quiet and let this grave offense disappear into the ether? I trust in your integrity Keith. I know you will not keep silent.
I know Keith, you are not content to become that which you tell us you despise, a corporate mouthpiece. Are you going to become Bill O’Reilly? Or are you going to remain Keith?
January 15th, 2008 at 9:21 pmZooey, after all this time, I finally checked out TheZoo.
January 15th, 2008 at 9:23 pmCongrats! It looks great!
Zooey, after all this time, I finally checked out TheZoo.
Congrats! It looks great!
Comment by Wilco — January 15, 2008 @ 9:23 pm
Thanks, Wilco. Stop by anytime. :)
January 15th, 2008 at 9:24 pmZooey, I wish there were photos for all those posters so I could put a face to all these names.
January 15th, 2008 at 9:25 pmHeh. We have to maintain some mystery. :)
Should have stopped by sooner — I used to have a picture of me in my Girl Scout uniform, age 9. :D
January 15th, 2008 at 9:27 pmHa!
January 15th, 2008 at 9:28 pmRussert: What’s your best quality; what’s your worst?
Presidential candidate Wilco: I care a lot; I care sometimes too much, Tim. And sometimes I yell at my dog. He’s a puker, Tim.
January 15th, 2008 at 9:29 pmWell gang, now that I will not be watching Keith I have a free hour between 5 and 6 every week day…Will use all my time tomorrow to send emai’s to all these natzi supporter’s….Keep the link’s and addresses coming….This old womand can get a lot done inbetween walking the Bear. tomorrow’s test were canceled untill next week…..Blessings all….
January 15th, 2008 at 9:36 pm#14-Tiffany
Excellent point. However, it should be pointed out that the Democrats are the same party that would not allow Ralph Nader to participate in the debates during the summer of 2000, meaning that the Democrats, like the Republicans, would not dare to have someone like Nader heard, who would have the temerity to criticize the corporate parties that rule this country.
January 15th, 2008 at 9:38 pmErroll,
Nader ran as an Independent or Green Party — it was a Democrat debate.
If it were up to me, I’d include everyone…
January 15th, 2008 at 9:40 pmno zooey erroll is talking about the gore-bush kerry-bush debates
January 15th, 2008 at 9:42 pmno zooey erroll is talking about the gore-bush kerry-bush debates
Comment by espo — January 15, 2008 @ 9:42 pm
Sorry, I misunderstood. Thanks, espo.
January 15th, 2008 at 9:48 pmRussert: What’s your best quality; what’s your worst?
Presidential candidate Wilco: I care a lot; I care sometimes too much, Tim. And sometimes I yell at my dog. He’s a puker, Tim.
Comment by Wilco — January 15, 2008 @ 9:29 pm
——-
Russert: What’s your best quality; what’s your worst?
Presidential candidate Dee: My best quality is that I refuse to seriously answer a question that belongs in an administrative assistant job interview. My worst quality is that sometimes I swear too much. Eff You Tim, you creepy Garrison Keillor-esque non-journalist.
January 15th, 2008 at 9:50 pm#4 Comment by Briseadh na Faire
January 15th, 2008 at 9:56 pmThanks for the link… email sent.
one has to wonder how much $ was spent to block Kucinich and
WHY?
NBC’s new slogan:
“DEATH TO AMERICA!!!”
All must now bow down to Tim Russert.
January 15th, 2008 at 9:57 pmI have just said goodbye to Keith Olbermann, NBC “news” and, believe it or not Talking Points Memo, which is not even allowing comments on this story. TPM has bought into the Daily Kos game of voting for Romney instead of taking on the Democratic leadership for their mishandling of the Michigan (and Florida) primaries. I was planning to watch the debate tonight, but now I don’t care what fascist wins the election. It’s all predetermined and it didn’t have to be this way. I believe the majority of the voters in this country want fair elections with a fair process for picking candidates. I may not even vote for the first time in my adult life. Some way to run an election. Shame on Howard Dean, shame on Clintons, Obama, Kerry, Emanuel, Pelosi, Reid, even Edwards. Pissed I am. Pissed I will stay.
January 15th, 2008 at 9:58 pmZooey
Actually, that debate forum was run by a group called The Commission on Presidential Debates, which was set up by both the Democrats and the Republicans, to determine who, in their [alleged] wisdom, would be allowed to participate in that forum. They then decided to exclude both Nader and Pat Buchanan from participating because, in all likelihood, they were threatened by the thought that Nader and Buchanan would point out how little difference there is between the two parties that are so beholden, as Dickens would say, to the vested interests.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:02 pmWHY?
Comment by had enough — January 15, 2008 @ 9:56 pm
Because they could?
January 15th, 2008 at 10:02 pmCorporations now have more rights than the people.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:04 pm#57,
And I remember when R.Nader went to court trying to force the issue of participating in a debate…but no luck.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:11 pmThe two parties were afraid of him.
Can you imagine Nader in a debate with Bush,Jr. and Al Gore…?
That’s why the two parties decided…that Nader should not be included in any debate.
My challenge to Keith Olbermann…Expose the reprehensible actions of your network. Show us the courage we’ve come to expect from your show. This is a telling moment, Keith. You either keep silent and slowly, almost imperceptibly, become one of them. Or report on and expose the level of corruption in the decision of your network to silence dissenting points of view.
Comment by 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda — January 15, 2008 @ 9:21 pm
No.
If he is the Media Messiah you all make him out to be, he will resign in protest. If Bilbo is right and 75% of the American public are just dying for the Progressive agenda, he could easily find a new venue willing to give him a voice and pay him well.
If he stays on at MSNBC, he will say exactly as many harsh things about this decision as his employers allow him to say and not one word more.
Think about it - would you pay someone to piss on your desk? No.
But would you allow your marquee guy to say some mean things about you as a sop to the folks who think he is an iconoclast so they keep tuning in? Of course you would.
KO is no different from the rest of them, just like the Dems are no different from the Repubs in the main. Sorry guys.
Progressives, you have no Party.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:21 pmProgressives, you have no Party.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 15, 2008 @ 10:21 pm
When this country goes down in flames, it will have an effect on you as well. You realize that, don’t you?
January 15th, 2008 at 10:25 pmWhen this country goes down in flames, it will have an effect on you as well. You realize that, don’t you?
Comment by Zooey — January 15, 2008 @ 10:25 pm
Yes….but it won’t be for lack of Progressive policies being put into effect. It will be the result of wild deficit spending by the Bush admin in violation of Conservative principles.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:30 pmYes….but it won’t be for lack of Progressive policies being put into effect. It will be the result of wild deficit spending by the Bush admin in violation of Conservative principles.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 15, 2008 @ 10:30 pm
No kidding.
Maybe you’d like to work toward that NOT happening? Just a thought…
January 15th, 2008 at 10:33 pmNo kidding.
Maybe you’d like to work toward that NOT happening? Just a thought…
Comment by Zooey — January 15, 2008 @ 10:33 pm
What do you suggest, Zoe? Vote Kucinich? Perot was the last person I really believed in - he hated NAFTA. That was the beginning of the end, methinks.
America is incredibly resilient though….I never lose faith in our healing powers. The demise of our country has been forecast since its inception….
January 15th, 2008 at 10:39 pmProgressives, you have no Party.
Comment by Keltoi at Night
Which is better. Name one great achievement of the middle class that hasn’t come through revolutions or general strikes… no politics.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:53 pm“Yes….but it won’t be for lack of Progressive policies being put into effect. It will be the result of wild deficit spending by the Bush admin in violation of Conservative principles.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 15, 2008 @ 10:30 pm”
BS, I bet you aren’t old enough to remember “Conservative principles”. Today’s “Conservatives” seem to idolize Ronald Reagan. He was no small government guy. He was, however, the first to truly embrace deficit spending.
January 15th, 2008 at 10:59 pmThe state Supreme Court’s unanimous order said that blocking the debate unless Kucinich got to participate would be â€an unconstitutional prior restraint†on the news network’s First Amendment rights.
So can someone point to when a corporation actually started to receive more rights than a living human citizen of this country?
January 15th, 2008 at 11:10 pmGood question, dlet. To say that the media is in the right you have to take away Kucinich’s right to free speech. By the way, how perverted has free press become lately?
January 15th, 2008 at 11:19 pmThe corporate rulers of America & Earth, dedicated to profit, just eliminated democracy because it got in their way.
No more Olbermann for me if he remains with NBC/MSNBC.
I am now down to BBC and CSpan and the Internet. If I had Dish I would have a few other good news sources.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:30 pmEvergreen, then we lose the MSM totally. We need to support good people. I don’t see him being muzzled.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:41 pmTHIS is the story of this election.
Next up after Kucinich and Ron Paul - Edwards.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:49 pmWhat do you suggest, Zoe? Vote Kucinich? Perot was the last person I really believed in - he hated NAFTA. That was the beginning of the end, methinks. Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 15, 2008 @ 10:39 pm
You believed in Perot? ROTFL!!! You’re a MORON!
America is incredibly resilient though….I never lose faith in our healing powers. The demise of our country has been forecast since its inception….
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 15, 2008 @ 10:39 pm
America is resilient because people like US are diligent in stopping people like YOU from f*king EVERYTHING UP!
January 15th, 2008 at 11:50 pmMSNBC - ” Operation Suppress Different Opinions “ , was a stunning success because of all of our brave men and women and the precision of our attack , on eliminating all those that oppose U.S. Imperialism , U.S. occupation of Iraq and our efforts to make sure all candidates remaining , sound the same, act the same and support the man .
January 16th, 2008 at 12:28 amThis is a can’t lose proposition for the GE/NBC/MSNBC corporate cabal. No doubt they would like to rid themselves of Keith Olberman, but to do so would likely infuriate a lot of people. So, enter Plan B…
There are two likely outcomes, both favorable to MSNBC:
1) Keith Olberman, being a man of integrity, resigns, and MSNBC sidesteps the fallout that would result from firing him.
2) Keith Olberman, by remaining with MSNBC, having lost much of his credibility loses a significant portion of his audience. MSNBC then cites poor ratings as their rationale for firing him, and achieves the same desired, by slightly delayed, outcome.
January 16th, 2008 at 12:41 amA vote for Kucinich is better than no vote at all.
January 16th, 2008 at 1:08 amNot really, BnF. A vote for Kucinich is a vote for nobody. I would LOVE Kucinich to be my president but it won’t happen so a vote for him is a vote for Hillary.
January 16th, 2008 at 2:08 amOf course, the founders could have had no such intention concerning corporations as such entities did not exist at the time of the founding of the country.
———–
Of course there were corporations during the founding of the country. For example, who do you think owned all that tea in the Boston harbor.
Also, The ruling is correct (as much as I like Dennis).
January 16th, 2008 at 2:37 amMSNBC cannot be required to give him or anyone else a forum. This is not an infringement on his 1st Amendment rights any more than MSNBC denying you or I a spot on the stage is. The fairness doctrine has
been gone since 87. The FCC/Govt has no authority to say who they can and cannot have in their debate/programming.
Some of you may remember when Ronald Reagan hosted the weekly television series, “The General Electric Theater”, from 1954 to 1962.
I’m sure he would be proud to know that they are still promoting his ham-fisted version of politics.
January 16th, 2008 at 3:09 amNBC blocked him, court allowed it. Another shame in front of the Goyim!
January 16th, 2008 at 5:24 amWhat is amazing is how fast the Nevada Supreme Court was able to assemble and take a decision over the issue.
January 16th, 2008 at 5:56 amIt takes months for Supreme Courts to do that over other issues.
But in a swift decision before the debate, the court and MSNBC were able to deny Kucinich any participation in the debate.
A party has a legal right to appeal. Without the SC convening, MSNBC would be denied that right.
January 16th, 2008 at 8:10 amI’ve heard everything, but giving rights to Corporations and taking away the rights of represenatives of the people is beyond anything Democratic.
January 16th, 2008 at 9:06 amIs our election process a sham? Looks that way to me.
The court is saying that corporations have sway over the people’s political process.
This is not a Democratic process. Am I living in Pakistan?
Democracy Now! RE-INCLUDED Kucinich into the debate. Brilliant!
January 16th, 2008 at 12:30 pm