I’ll give you Krugman (I’m also sure Kristol was a typo), but the rest of them spent the entire 2000 election trying to convince everyone that Gore was a creep. Dowd has an unabiding hatred of all things Clinton. I think that if you look for ways to demonize Democrats while often giving repubes the benefit of the doubt, you are not a liberal. I’m not sure what they are – east coast ivy league elitist millionaires maybe – they’re certainly not liberals.

Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — January 17, 2008 @

Yeah, by Kristol I meant Kristof. I don’t think the definition of liberal is based on how much you like the Clintons and how much you like Gore. I know a lot of liberals who dislike them, and let’s not forget that they built their careers on centrism – the Clintons and the DLC, Gore and his fervent support for the Persian Gulf War and being generally a hawk on military issues in his Senate career.

You’ll have to do more than just site Democrats that these columnists dislike to prove they aren’t liberal. Is Noam Chomsky not a liberal because he rails against Clinton and Carter, and basically most mainstream Democrats (on top of railing against Republicans)?

You said that they give a free pass to the Republicans. But I haven’t seen any of these columnists give the GOP such a pass. Sure, Dowd writes nasty stuff about the Clintons, but I would also point you to her book, “Bushworld.”

Comment by Bartolo — January 17, 2008 @ 5:24 pm

He’s not wringing his hands, he’s hiding a Christmas gift from Larry Craig.

I’ll give you Krugman (I’m also sure Kristol was a typo), but the rest of them spent the entire 2000 election trying to convince everyone that Gore was a creep. Dowd has an unabiding hatred of all things Clinton. I think that if you look for ways to demonize Democrats while often giving repubes the benefit of the doubt, you are not a liberal. I’m not sure what they are – east coast ivy league elitist millionaires maybe – they’re certainly not liberals.

And that’s all Weathervane McCain deserves.

And why is Roger Cohen wringing his hands in his celeb photo?

Heh

I’m going to an Edwards rally tomorrow. (I’m in Florida.) Don’t give up on Edwards just yet. If his supporters stay strong and committed, he may well still make it, but if we crumble in order to be pragmatic…well, that’s just too depressing.

Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — January 17, 2008 @ 4:50 pm

I’m no cheerleader, and I almost stopped supporting him due to that retarded ploy to frame Clinton as a demi-racist. Obama’s not the cherub that we’ve all been told he is, but I still read him as being more honest than Hillary. I don’t know enough about the avoided votes to know if that’s real or spin, but they all play games if they’re thinking about running for Prez. At this point to be honest, Edwards looks like the best guy, but he’s not really in contention.

Is avoiding the tough votes and continuously voting to continue funding what you call “independent thought?” Why does Obama get a free ride on the Kyle-Liberman amendment when he avoided the vote and his campaign director, Dick Durban voted for the amendment?

I find it amusing that of the three Democratic frontrunners, Obama is clearly the most conservative in his positions and his record, yet many liberals think of him as the greatest hope for change. His economic stimulus ideas are the most conservative of the three and so are his healthcare proposals.

True.

Oval:

“Bush may be a worthless “ying”

That is hilarious! I think I’ll make it my phrase of the day tomorrow, “Bush is a worthless ying.”

Satyam, ESL.

The only person in this race who’s shown a shred of independent thought on our foreign policy is Obama, which is my main reason for supporting him.