Anti-choice group mails plastic fetuses.
By on Jan 18th, 2008 at 11:00 am
Anti-choice group mails plastic fetuses.
A “right to life” group in Wisconsin is “under fire” for mailing an “informational letter, a fundraising envelope and a small plastic fetus” to 44,000 people. According to Wisconsin Right to Life, “the plastic figure represents an 11- or 12-week fetus” and is meant “to mark the 35-year anniversary of Roe Vs. Wade.”
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January 18th, 2008 at 11:03 amHow very tasteful. That’s a real class act.
sheesh!
January 18th, 2008 at 11:04 amthis would be ok with me – if anti-war groups were also allowed to mail plastics fetuses (feti?) out to people…
January 18th, 2008 at 11:06 amI wonder if I could mail that group a full-sized dead American soldier and then ask them why they support a president who starts unnecessary wars.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:07 amthis would be ok with me – if anti-war groups were also allowed to mail plastics fetuses (feti?) out to people…
Comment by Pete Bogs — January 18, 2008 @ 11:06 am
I think anti-war groups would probably want to mail out plastic models of mangled bodies in uniform to get the same visceral response this anti-abortion group is hoping to get.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:08 amOooh! I want one!
January 18th, 2008 at 11:08 amHoping for a visceral reaction? Look @ the damn thing.
Free doggie toy…
January 18th, 2008 at 11:12 amhahahahaha.
We have our share of mental deranged people over here, fundies and stuff, but not as creative as your fundies, I have to say.
Beautiful. Now, that I get pregnant, I will think twice about aborting or not.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:12 amI just emailed Wisconsin Right to Life and asked them to send me a fetus.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:12 amI was going to suggest plastic soldiers mailed to the White House… but Dubya would probably just start playing with them
January 18th, 2008 at 11:13 amat our central wisconsin teacher’s union convention last year this same group had a booth (how? why?) and were giving out the same little dolls…i wondered why there was no news coverage of that last year, but i figured it was good not to give them attention….
January 18th, 2008 at 11:13 amlast week’s obit in my daily paper listed “graveside services” for a “baby girl” who “weighed 5 ounces and was 8 inces long” …
“sadly missed”… it lists 6 siblings…
i dunno… not much is sadder – unless it’s losing your child that you actually came to know and love – but it seems people need to understand and accept “natural selection” for the benefit it is…
but, life is cruel…
January 18th, 2008 at 11:14 amIt could have been worse. Those could have been real fetuses they sent
January 18th, 2008 at 11:14 amYes, we must protect the right to life…..except when we’re talking about Americans who have actually been born already. In that case, they should rot and die. After all, helping them would be “socialism”.
See, only the unborn deserve a right to life. The living do not.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:16 amI just emailed Wisconsin Right to Life and asked them to send me a fetus.
Comment by Bobwurst — January 18, 2008 @ 11:12 am
do they have any fetus action figures? with guns and fake blood and stuff?
January 18th, 2008 at 11:17 amI don’t understand why the argument goes past this stage:
You’re against abortions? Fine. Don’t have one.
Leave the other 303 million Americans to make their own choice.
The end.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:17 amare they made in china?
are they lead paint safe?
January 18th, 2008 at 11:17 amFundies do and say the darndest things, don’t they?!
January 18th, 2008 at 11:17 ammy cousin works for a sperm research facility. They give out sperm key chains.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:17 amI wouldn’t want one of those either
ick
#4…you got it right. Let’s send them 4,000 G.I. Joe dolls with their bodys mangled. Look at countrys where there is NO birth control, IF you like looking at sick and dieing babys.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:20 amWhy is the plural “fetuses” and not “feti”? anyone?
January 18th, 2008 at 11:21 amThe ultimate irony would be that a toddler would get ahold of one of these atrocities and choke to death on it. I do not wish for that in any way but it would be ironic.
Other than that, this stunt just goes to show that some folks’ taste is all in their mouth. What were they thinking? (that’s a rhetorical question . . . we know they weren’t thinking . . . they were just feeling)
January 18th, 2008 at 11:25 ami hope they’re recyclable!
January 18th, 2008 at 11:25 amWell now I know what to do with my old wire hangers. Anyone have the address of this he-man woman haters club?
January 18th, 2008 at 11:28 amCitizens of Wisconsin,
Please recycle your fetuses!
January 18th, 2008 at 11:28 amI’d really be more sympathetic for their conservative view on this if they didn’t completely give a sh!t what happens to the child after birth.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:31 amDid anyone watch the show, “That’s My Bush”?
January 18th, 2008 at 11:31 amIt was on Comedy Central several years ago. It’s about W in the White House and in one episode, the head of a militant anti-abortion group comes for a meeting. He’s a failed aborted fetus.
This thread kinda reminded me of it…
I want a plastic fetus with a kung fu grip…
You do her makeup! And I’ll do her hair!
Look at her now! Fetus is bee-yooooooo-yee-full!
Yes, fetus…all kids love fetus.
What rolls down pairs, alone or in pairs, and over the neighbor’s dog Cletus?
What fits on your back, and good for a snack?
It’s Fetus! Fetus! Fetus!
It’s feeee-tus! It’s feee-tus!
It’s small, and light, and plastic!
It’s feee-tus! It’s fee-tus!
And drives the fundies spastic!
Come on and get a fetus!
You’re gonna love a fetus!
Everyone loves a fetus!
Come on and get a fetus!
Fetus! From Blammo!
January 18th, 2008 at 11:31 amComment by slappy magoo
Too funny!
January 18th, 2008 at 11:33 amI miss Ren & Stimpy!
LOL. Are these up on eBay yet?! I’m seriously rolling here. These people are just about as dumb as a bag of hammers.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:34 amLOL. Are these up on eBay yet?! I’m seriously rolling here. These people are just about as dumb as a bag of hammers.
Comment by fletc3her — January 18, 2008 @ 11:34 am
that’s an insult to hammers.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:38 amRight in time for the primary!
January 18th, 2008 at 11:39 amgoogle Wisconsn Right to Life and you’ll get contact info. Mail them all the coat hangers you have.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:47 amThe plastic fetus’ are likely to have been made in China using slave labor.
Right to life (and work for 5 cents an hour) and all that.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:59 am“Mommy! Mommy! I sent away for my fetus and all they sent me was this little tiny pink dot!”
January 18th, 2008 at 12:01 pm“Well, that’s what a fetus looks like a few weeks earlier.”
“It’s not fair! They’re cheaters!”
“No, it’s exactly the same as the bigger ones–and those are exactly the same as real live babies.”
“Really?”
“According to them.”
“I don’t care! I want my fetus!”
“How about I get you some ice cream instead?”
“Yay! Ice cream!”
I like the idea of making plastic replica IED blasted body parts and mailing them out to all the RushitCo and BushitCo supporters.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:02 pmI saw these things on eBay, but they were as necklace pendants. Sick bastards.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:03 pmMost of these fundies are so hyper focused on the FETUS that they don’t see they are just ‘right to birth’ not ‘right to life’. In fact they usually vote against any life sustaining legislation, things like food stamps, welfare, childcare, health care. They’re really into “Personal Responsibility”. Now as long as the fetus is unborn it is someone to be protected, but afterwards, THAT’S when personal responsibility kicks in, see, that fetus better get to work. Will it starve?? Will it die of disease?? Will it wander the streets alone day and night?? Doesn’t matter because it’s SOMEONE ELSE’S personal responsibility then!!
January 18th, 2008 at 12:05 pmAnd, whoever suggested handing out soldier dolls with injuries had a great idea, but it should come with a notice that they must wait six months before seeing a doctor, and that they are no longer eligible for the GI bill due to injuries that MAY be caused by pre-existing conditions and were only ‘brought out’ by armed combat. Oh yeah, and the girl soldiers could come with a rape kit.
And they could all come with a $250,000 bill for their lifetime of therapeutic counseling.
And then there’s the deformed fetuses from the depleted uranium.
Why wasn’t I born with that convenient seam on my head?
January 18th, 2008 at 12:12 pmI would have saved so much at the drive-thru lobotomy shop!
Mark them “return to sender” and send them back. That way this group will have to pay postage on it again.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:13 pmIf is so funny how TP, the Hillary front group, comes out against the choice for people to think for themselves.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:18 pmComment by Roger_Roger — January 18, 2008 @ 12:18 pm
It’s funny how Rsquared believes sending fake fetuses in the mail is equivalent to thinking for yourself!
Try again Stupid.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:28 pmKudos to TP for referring to this group as anti-choice. The right too often wins the naming rights to stances and they often aren’t too flattering for those on the left with very valid points. Supporting the idea of choice does not make one anti-life, despite what some members of the war-mongering right would like people to think.
I’m at work for a couple more hours but the suspense over whether I’m one of the Wisconsinites lucky enough to get one of these or not is killing me!
January 18th, 2008 at 12:30 pmLeave it to a right-wink nut to create more trash. I bet the plastic baby is not even recyclable!!
January 18th, 2008 at 12:36 pmgoogle Wisconsn Right to Life and you’ll get contact info. Mail them all the coat hangers you have.
Comment by Bobwurst — January 18, 2008 @ 11:47 am
Plastic ones? ;)
January 18th, 2008 at 12:39 pmWow, these are great. How can I get some asap. Oh the fun I will have messing with people with these. I’d prefer domestically produced 100% post consumer recycled plastic but I guess I would settle for the regualr old Chinese kind in the interest of my own amusement. I wonder how the folks that work at the plastic fetus factory feel about their jobs. It must be sort of surreal
January 18th, 2008 at 12:45 pmdo they send that with a life-sized doll of an Iraq Dead Civilian?
January 18th, 2008 at 12:47 pmI don’t see the problem with this. A lot of students can’t find Iraq on a map, and I bet a lot don’t know what a fetus looks like besides roadside billboards and haven’t seen what it would be 3-D. More information is good.
They shouldn’t be angry in the letter, I don’t know if they were. We should allow anyone to argue against abortion in a civil way, just as many have arguments for not outlawing it (underground procedures, more prisoners and court fees, health of the mother).
It’s like showing a man’s destroyed liver from alcohol. I’ll still drink but I don’t want to do it as chronic behavior.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:49 pmIf is so funny how TP, the Hillary front group, comes out against the choice for people to think for themselves.
Comment by Roger_Roger — January 18, 2008 @ 12:18 pm
Sort of like those free thinking flag burners almost no one has ever actually witnessed
January 18th, 2008 at 12:51 pmEqual opportunity fetuses.
It’s only right…
January 18th, 2008 at 1:02 pmI need a lot of these. I can think of a whole bunch of people who might need to find one wrapped in newspaper on their porch or in their dumpsters. I am also thinking I could stage all sorts of weird diaramas and such. It might also be fun to dress up like a woman and go to some rathole like Kmart or something and just drop a soiled one from beneath my skirt as I stand in line to buy a really big tv.
January 18th, 2008 at 1:03 pmOkay Zooey, I admit it. I was in a mood till I found this. Now I am elated. It is the bizarro which I find so intiquing and uplifting. Wanna try to outdo each other in trying to be the more tasteless than these folks?
January 18th, 2008 at 1:05 pmdbadass, you’re a sicko! :-D
I was just wondering why the fetuses aren’t painted red with gore, and missing pieces….
January 18th, 2008 at 1:06 pmEqual opportunity fetuses.
It’s only right…
Comment by Zooey — January 18, 2008 @ 1:02 pm
Wait just a minute. Those things have no cord.
January 18th, 2008 at 1:07 pmYour move, dbadass. ;)
January 18th, 2008 at 1:07 pmWait just a minute. Those things have no cord.
Comment by dbadass — January 18, 2008 @ 1:07 pm
Should they vibrate?
January 18th, 2008 at 1:09 pmI was just wondering why the fetuses aren’t painted red with gore, and missing pieces….
Comment by Zooey — January 18, 2008 @ 1:06 pm
That’s easy. It is so you become forced to buy the accessories. It is all about marketing. There is nothing like the imagination of a child when engaged in creative play
January 18th, 2008 at 1:09 pmYour move, dbadass. ;)
Comment by Zooey — January 18, 2008 @ 1:07 pm
Would it be wrong to pose my fetus dolls in sexually suggestive positions?
January 18th, 2008 at 1:11 pmThat’s easy. It is so you become forced to buy the accessories. It is all about marketing. There is nothing like the imagination of a child when engaged in creative play
Comment by dbadass — January 18, 2008 @ 1:09 pm
The little mouth should be open wide in a silent scream…..
These anti-choicers have no imagination when it comes to the emotional blackmail of a frightened knocked up woman in need of another abortion.
January 18th, 2008 at 1:12 pmWould it be wrong to pose my fetus dolls in sexually suggestive positions?
Comment by dbadass — January 18, 2008 @ 1:11 pm
You should have seen my youngest in his ultrasound — he was really showing off.
January 18th, 2008 at 1:13 pmSveral of the communities around here do those annual float plastic junk (ducks) don’t the formally pristine rivers in the name of fund raising. I have a totally new and far more interesting suggestion
January 18th, 2008 at 1:17 pmTechnically, zooey, they should also be colored blue, because of the lack of oxygen…
And my next question is: are there any ethnic fetuses? in shades of black, brown, yellow, red etc. or is it just the cute little pink ones that they object to?
Perhaps they should also color the plastic fetuses red white and blue for just American babies…
I agree with you zooey, someone has no imagination.
January 18th, 2008 at 1:18 pmSave the drowning fetus!! Win a prize! If you don’t save the drowning fetus, you will be arrested and prosecuted for murder — and so will the guy who threw the damn things in the river! Get moving, hypothermia be damned — you’re expendable, since you’re already born.
January 18th, 2008 at 1:19 pmComment by dbadass — January 18, 2008 @ 1:17 pm
I’ve seen those duck races… that would be just wrong….
January 18th, 2008 at 1:20 pmAnd my next question is: are there any ethnic fetuses? in shades of black, brown, yellow, red etc. or is it just the cute little pink ones that they object to?
Comment by LibertyLover — January 18, 2008 @ 1:18 pm
See my link at #51.
Somehow I doubt these freaks bothered to order the brown ones.
January 18th, 2008 at 1:21 pmZooey @ 51 and 66
Missed that link… wow… y’know, Easter is coming, perhaps they could cast them in white and dark chocolate for Easter baskets….
January 18th, 2008 at 1:23 pmI’ve seen those duck races… that would be just wrong….
Comment by LibertyLover — January 18, 2008 @ 1:20 pm
I live in the northwest, and instead of duckies (or fetuses) they use little logs. That too, in my humble opinion, is totally icky and wrong. :D
January 18th, 2008 at 1:23 pmZooey @ 68…
better logs than baby ruth bars… ;)
January 18th, 2008 at 1:25 pmEaster is coming, perhaps they could cast them in white and dark chocolate for Easter baskets….
Comment by LibertyLover — January 18, 2008 @ 1:23 pm
Ohhhh, you’re good. Heh.
I better get ready to hit the bus stop, can’t do that in below freezing weather with wet hair.
I’ll check back later for more masterpieces — and trollie meltdowns. ;)
January 18th, 2008 at 1:26 pmI digress but still I wonder what it must be like for the Chinese gentleman at the cocktail party when asked of his employment. “I run the plastic fetus extruder machine down in the toxic industrial zone. Been there 10 years now. At first I worked the plastic vomit line till my supervisor moved me up to the dog crap department. Still I find my greatest satisfaction in the craftmanship ofmy fetuses”
January 18th, 2008 at 1:27 pmEaster is coming, perhaps they could cast them in white and dark chocolate for Easter baskets….
Comment by LibertyLover — January 18, 2008 @ 1:23 pm
I doubt you’ll be able to get the solid ones but only the hollow type that have had their insides sucked out.
I too have to run but can’t wait to return to see what chaos ensues.
January 18th, 2008 at 1:30 pmHold down the fort for us LibertyLover.
How many plastic fetuses can you fit on the top of a birthday cake? of course one would have to insert a toothpick holder or something somewhere to hold them up….
January 18th, 2008 at 1:32 pmdbadass and zooey,
I fear that I may burn in eternal damnation for my sins of disrespect for the plastic fetuses.
I’ll be back later as well.
January 18th, 2008 at 1:34 pmSveral of the communities around here do those annual float plastic junk (ducks) don’t the formally pristine rivers in the name of fund raising. I have a totally new and far more interesting suggestion
Comment by dbadass — January 18, 2008 @ 1:17 pm
if they float doesn’t that make them witch fetuses?
January 18th, 2008 at 1:48 pmAHHHHH!!! BURN THEM AT THE STAKE!
In 40 minutes my laundry will be done. I really need to get one of these quickly. The bathroom at the laundromat has some real potential for mischief
January 18th, 2008 at 2:52 pmI came her late but how about dressing them up in millitary gear splattering them with blood and wrapping their heads in bandages and sending them back from whence they came. Isn’t that what we’re doing to our brave soldiers, sending them back to Iraq even when they’re too injured to serve.
January 18th, 2008 at 3:13 pmIt might also be fun to dress up like a woman and go to some rathole like Kmart or something and just drop a soiled one from beneath my skirt as I stand in line to buy a really big tv.
Comment by dbadass — January 18, 2008 @ 1:03 pm
not K-mart, dbadass. Walmart!
i can just picture it! dbadass moaning in pain and giving birth to thousands of made-in-china little plastic fetuses in aisle 6, right next to the pregnancy test kits. shoppers crushing fetuses under foot in their attempt to escape from the horrific scene.
“accident in aisle 6! accident in aisle 6! janitorial services required in aisle 6! STAT!”
perfect! i’d pay to see it!
January 18th, 2008 at 3:15 pmAs a fisherman, I also have this great idea in which I go early in the morning to one of the real hotspots. Just when the crowds of regulars appear, I come out with a whole bunch of them over my shoulder on a leader. All I say as I pass is “If it weren’t for those damn bag limits this would have been a hell of a day”. I can also see this same gag being executed at about 5:15 pm as exiting the entrance of my local PP offices
January 18th, 2008 at 3:22 pmMuch of the recent success of pro-life groups comes from their ability to demonstrate what is actually happening in an abortion. Demonstrating what is actually happening and to whom.
Some of the groups have had good results persuading woman to abandon their plans for an abortion by making sure they have access to an ultrasound exam.
January 18th, 2008 at 3:28 pmAs a fisherman, I also have this great idea in which I go early in the morning to one of the real hotspots. Just when the crowds of regulars appear, I come out with a whole bunch of them over my shoulder on a leader. All I say as I pass is “If it weren’t for those damn bag limits this would have been a hell of a dayâ€. I can also see this same gag being executed at about 5:15 pm as exiting the entrance of my local PP offices
Comment by dbadass — January 18, 2008 @ 3:22 pm
or after a successful outing when the regulars ask you what your using for bait, open your bait bucket and show them! fetsuses!
January 18th, 2008 at 3:30 pmSome of the groups have had good results persuading woman to abandon their plans for an abortion by making sure they have access to an ultrasound exam.
Comment by bitblt — January 18, 2008 @ 3:28 pm
Those aren’t pro-life groups, or they’d be busy trying to stop the war. They’re just busybodies with nothing better to do than try to control other people’s lives.
January 18th, 2008 at 3:43 pmThey’re not pro-life groups they’re pro-birth groups. And really folks, the “gags” being offered here are not funny. It’s never a joke when a real life woman has to make a decision like this, and, go through the procedure. Just because the pro-birthers are showing no shame in their attacks on those who support a woman’s right to make her own choices doesn’t mean we have to sink that low. It almost makes one wonder if those are trolls commenting. It’s bad form, and this is a discussion that could rise above the railings of the anti-choice terrorists. And that’s what they truly are…anti-choice terrorists.
January 18th, 2008 at 4:02 pmI don’t understand why the argument goes past this stage:
You’re against abortions? Fine. Don’t have one.
The argument you get back from anti-abortion folks is:
You’re against slavery? Fine. Don’t own one.
I think all would agree that abortions are unfortunate. The disagreement comes if one thinks that the Alternative to Abortion is even More unfortunate.
The low abortion rates in European countries like the Netherlands convinces me that the answer is quality health care and sex education, not intimidation with plastic fetuses.
January 18th, 2008 at 4:07 pmAnd that’s what they truly are…anti-choice terrorists.
Comment by ozma10 — January 18, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
“…anti-choice terrorists†What’s that?
If you were keeping score after thirty-five years of RvW it would be about 50,000,000 versus 20.
They’re certainly not very effective terrorists if that’s what they are.
Of course the total loss is much greater that that. Potentially a third of the 50,000,000 would have been parents by now. So, by bitblt’s estimate the number missing could be above 70,000,000. Believe that puts the U.S. above the Nazis but still behind the Communists.
Sexual sin seems to always exact an unbelievably high cost.
January 18th, 2008 at 4:09 pmI said leader but I ment stringer
January 18th, 2008 at 4:09 pm.
WHY DOES THE RIGHT TO LIFE END AFTER BIRTH?
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January 18th, 2008 at 4:16 pmIt’s bad form,
Comment by ozma10 — January 18, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
which page of the rule book shall I reference?
January 18th, 2008 at 4:18 pmThat’s a terrorist threat by any definition. These Christian terrorists are zero different than their Islamic colleagues.
January 18th, 2008 at 4:24 pmOf course the total loss is much greater that that. Potentially a third of the 50,000,000 would have been parents by now. So, by bitblt’s estimate the number missing could be above 70,000,000. Believe that puts the U.S. above the Nazis but still behind the Communists.
Sexual sin seems to always exact an unbelievably high cost.
Comment by bitblt — January 18, 2008 @ 4:09 pm
If you add the number of spontaneous abortions which occur when the inner biologist realizes that it is not in the best interest of neither the mother nor potential offspring, you could really skew the numbers. The thing is that our large complex brains also allow us to make complex decisions. Find me 2 woman you know personally that have had abortions solely for the purpose of “birth control”!
January 18th, 2008 at 4:26 pmComment by bitblt — January 18, 2008 @ 4:09 pm
In nature some animals will ingest aborticides when abiotic conditions are too harsh to allow for successful birthing and parenting. In other cases animals will abandon or even consume their own young under equally hard realities. Many indigenous groups have learned and employed the aborticidal effects of native plants since ages long gone by. What gives?
January 18th, 2008 at 4:45 pmHmmm. Sexual sin… that’s a new term for me… let’s see… is that a rapist impregnating his victim? Perhaps a father committing incest and impregnating his daughter or step-daughter? Is it a sexual sin to force a child to go through with a pregnancy risking her life for that of her child? Is it a sexual sin to force a woman to continue a pregnancy of a non-viable fetus (one that would not live outside the womb in any case)?
Yes, Abortions are no laughing matter, but what is even more not a laughing matter is not allowing a woman the right to self-determination for herself and her potential child. I have yet to meet a woman who has to make that choice that didn’t make a very difficult decision.
Remember, that if the government is allowed to force you into having a child, it is equally able to force you to abort that child… see China and the one child rule or google the Northern Marianas Islands/Tom Delay.
January 18th, 2008 at 4:51 pmFind me 2 woman you know personally that have had abortions solely for the purpose of “birth controlâ€!
Comment by dbadass — January 18, 2008 @ 4:26 pm
This site…
http://www.tennesseerighttolife.org/human_life_issues/human_life_issues_abortion_statistics.htm
says this:
January 18th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
What gives?
Comment by dbadass — January 18, 2008 @ 4:45 pm
Don’t know what gives. Obviously, you think there is some relationship between abortions in the modern U.S. and in the situations you describe. Care to say what the relationship is?
I think I have a link some place to an articles that says flies can be made to exhibit homosexual behavior when you exposed them to alcohol fumes. I’m not making any conjectures based on this article.
January 18th, 2008 at 4:59 pmGood info:
http://www.prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org/articles/bible.shtml
The best:
January 18th, 2008 at 4:59 pmO daughter of Babylon, you devastator! Happy shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!” (Psalms 137:8)
I didn’t ask you to find a website. Wanna go to the website that shows how we have never been to the moon. I know several women who have had to make very complex decisions based on a wide variety of personal circumstances. None were easy. I am glad they had the inner strenght to do what they found right for them. Some did abort some didn’t. I am so glad both options existed for them.
January 18th, 2008 at 5:02 pmSexual sin… that’s a new term for me… let’s see… is that a rapist impregnating his victim?
This is illicit sex, which is defined as sex between two people who aren’t married to each other. It covers adultery, premarital, and homosexual sex.
Don’t know what percentage of abortions result from adultery and premarital sex though I would assume it to be quite a large percentage. If these numbers were know the site linked above would probably show them.
January 18th, 2008 at 5:04 pmMaybe the plastic fetus people would like to receive 44,000 body parts from Iraq?
January 18th, 2008 at 5:06 pmI think I have a link some place to an articles that says flies can be made to exhibit homosexual behavior when you exposed them to alcohol fumes. I’m not making any conjectures based on this article.
Comment by bitblt — January 18, 2008 @ 4:59 pm
Check out this one
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/2006/12/soy_makes_you_g_1.html
January 18th, 2008 at 5:06 pmComment by lurker — January 18, 2008 @ 4:59 pm
It’s only good information if they believe in God. Do they? I could not make a judgement in the affirmative in a quick scan. Otherwise, what us you’re objective when you reference a book in which one doesn’t believe.
January 18th, 2008 at 5:10 pmComment by ForTruth — January 18, 2008 @ 5:06 pm
Should we get back to the topic?
January 18th, 2008 at 5:14 pmComment by lurker — January 18, 2008 @ 4:59 pm
It’s only good information if they believe in God. Do they? I could not make a judgment in the affirmative in a quick scan. Otherwise, what is one’s objective when you reference a book in which one doesn’t believe.
Comment by bitblt — January 18, 2008 @ 5:10 pm
I’ve made my judgment.
From the link you cite above…
The Bible is Pro-Choice
by Joyce Arthur
First published in “Humanist in Canada,” No. 90 (Vol. 22, #3) Autumn, 1989. Revised and expanded August 2001.
All this passage states is that God is directly involved in the creation of a fetus and knows its future. This is useless for the anti-choice position, since God creates all living things, including trees and bugs. Plus, just because God is supposedly omniscient doesn’t give fetuses any special status—it simply means God already knows whether they will live or die. It is dishonest to conclude from this verse that a fetus is a human being deserving of more protection than women. The passage is poetic prose that anti-choicers have twisted and trivialized by giving it a literal, objective meaning where there is none.
I take it that this author doesn’t know that the Bible says people are created in the image of God. People should quiver in awe to understand that they are creating their children in the image of God.
There’s nothing in the Bible that would change this author’s mind.
January 18th, 2008 at 5:31 pmll this passage states is that God is directly involved in the creation of a fetus and knows its future. This is useless for the anti-choice position, since God creates all living things, including trees and bugs. Plus, just because God is supposedly omniscient doesn’t give fetuses any special status—it simply means God already knows whether they will live or die. It is dishonest to conclude from this verse that a fetus is a human being deserving of more protection than women. The passage is poetic prose that anti-choicers have twisted and trivialized by giving it a literal, objective meaning where there is none.
January 18th, 2008 at 5:31 pmComment by bitblt — January 18, 2008 @ 5:31 pm
I am a little shaky on exactly which images of whom were employed in the creation of all of the multitudes of other life forms.
January 18th, 2008 at 5:36 pmHere’s what I think is really a sexual sin: not teaching children of an appropriate age about proper birth control methods that do work. Have been proven to work. And are the most responsible way to deal with the issue. This would curtail the number of unwanted pregnancies in the first place which in turn would curtail abortions. Give our children real information so that in the heat of the moment, they know what to do and won’t have to pray to a higher power that they won’t get pregnant if things go too far.
Don’t like abortions? Fine. Neither do I. Let’s teach our children the proper way to avoid unwanted pregnancies with COMPREHENSIVE sex education.
January 18th, 2008 at 5:45 pmComment by LibertyLover — January 18, 2008 @ 5:45 pm
You really want them to be safe – both physically and emotionally. Teach them to have sex with their spouse which is what the Bible teaches.
Young women should not be sentenced to a life of real and emotional poverty because they think they’re ready to “be in love” and give their bodies to some young stud.
It’s a miserable failing of our society that we don’t protect the very women who will be responsible for the future – simply because we’re afraid to tell them there’s a right and a wrong.
We make young women in our society extremely vulnerable .
January 18th, 2008 at 5:56 pmComment by bitblt — January 18, 2008 @ 5:56 pm
So only teach our daughters? How very convenient for men and long live the double standard.
Personally, that pedestal that you have “the very women who will be responsible for the future” on can get awfully top heavy. Personally, not giving our young women the VERY information that can keep them safe from sexually transmitted diseases, pregnancies, etc. makes them MORE vulnerable than teaching them about their bodies, how their bodies work from a biological standpoint and that they are to respect themselves enough NOT to take entering into a sexual relationship with anyone lightly.
THAT is what makes women vulnerable– treating them as if they were chattle and unable to make responsible decisions for themselves. Give them the tools that they need to understand and make ADULT choices when THEY are ready.
January 18th, 2008 at 6:09 pmSo only teach our daughters? How very convenient for men and long live the double standard.
Comment by LibertyLover — January 18, 2008 @ 6:09 pm
No double standard was intended. It is the case a woman usually controls the sexual situations, and young men usually avoid, or are not capable of, being sentenced to a life of emotional poverty. Some of them do stay poor.
The information they need is the God intended for a woman to have sex with her husbands, just as he intended for a young man to have sex with their wife.
If this is too traditionalist for you, consider this: The number one predictor of whether a woman will live in poverty is the age at which she starts having sex. The younger she starts having sex the more likely it is that’s she’ll live in poverty – real poverty. In many cases the emotional high point of her life will be the first time she was in love, and it’ll be down hill from there.
Around here, the convenience stores always have clerks of about the same description: young, female, desperate looking.
The ones who find themselves in poverty teach their children to repeat the cycle.
January 18th, 2008 at 6:20 pmSeems to me, that the way out of financial poverty and the way to both lessen unwanted pregnancies have the very same beginning… that of education, Both sexual education and a great general education.
January 18th, 2008 at 7:17 pmI’m Pro-Choice, but I don’t let political correctness stop me from believeing that life before birth is pretty amazing.
Even so I really do not like right to life groups in general, I mean even if you think abortion is wrong, what good does it do to focus on abortion while there are so many other issues to get involved with, especially poverty..
January 18th, 2008 at 7:18 pmbitbit is delusional — as usual.
January 18th, 2008 at 8:22 pmWe make young women in our society extremely vulnerable .
Comment by bitblt — January 18, 2008 @ 5:56 pm
You mean by CRAZY CHRISTIANS DEMONIZING Condoms and Abortion? Well THAT MUCH is TRUE – MORON!
Comment by republicans hate facts — January 18, 2008 @ 8:49 pm
You’re right on the money with this one, rhf.
January 18th, 2008 at 9:05 pmEvery living thing God creates dies.
January 18th, 2008 at 9:20 pmWhat’s with that “midOcean ridge system bisecting my fetus baby?.
January 19th, 2008 at 12:39 amComment by dbadass — January 19, 2008 @ 12:39 am
Don’t all fetuses come with bisecting seams?
January 19th, 2008 at 2:15 amSo let me get this straight…
Wisconsin Right to Life takes great offense to what they consider the murder of (very young) people….
And then they use that murder of people (as they consider it) to FUNDRAISE? Fundraising on the backs of dead people?!!!
Those people are morbid, amoral and disgusting.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:39 amMaybe I will bury a bunch of these in a snow bank and see what happens when the emerge in the Spring. The possibilities are endless. Other than the obvious safety issue and the litter problem, I could imagine tossing a few of these out of the window of my Escalade. If I had an Escalade.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:48 pmI wonder how many Pro-Lifers that received the plastic fetus promptly disposed of it in the trash? Symbolically speaking, I’d expect that just the idea of throwing it away would offend them. Uh huh, right.
January 20th, 2008 at 8:51 amMaybe they could branch out a bit and produce some plush ones, that little kids could snuggle with at bedtime
January 20th, 2008 at 10:36 amThose aren’t pro-life groups, or they’d be busy trying to stop the war. They’re just busybodies with nothing better to do than try to control other people’s lives.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — January 18, 2008 @ 3:43 pm
Think of it this way.
The number killed in Iraq doesn’t begin to touch the 50,000,000 unborn destroyed in the U.S. since RvW.
The number killed in Iraq is still a small percentage of the number of unborn destroyed in the U.S. in one year.
January 21st, 2008 at 10:34 amThe NUMBER ONE predictor of POVERTY is EDUCATION – MORON!
Comment by republicans hate facts — January 18, 2008 @ 8:48
Thanks for so graciously bringing this to my attention.
I couldn’t remember the source of the remark about the predictor statement
If this is too traditionalist for you, consider this: The number one predictor of whether a woman will live in poverty is the age at which she starts having sex. The younger she starts having sex the more likely it is that’s she’ll live in poverty – real poverty. In many cases the emotional high point of her life will be the first time she was in love, and it’ll be down hill from there.
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The ones who find themselves in poverty teach their children to repeat the cycle.
Comment by bitblt — January 18, 2008 @ 6:20 pm
So I tried to find it. But this is all I could find.
(Caution: http://www.citizenlink.com is associated with Dr.Dobson’s Focus on the Family.)
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Abstinence/bg1718.cfm
Numbers are to references at the link.
So back to, “The NUMBER ONE predictor of POVERTY is EDUCATION – MORON!â€
In young woman who are sentenced to a life of poverty because of early sexual activity and early motherhood, what percentage do you suppose don’t finish their education because of their parental responsibilities?
January 21st, 2008 at 10:50 amhttp://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59812
ELECTION 2008
94% of evangelicals rank abortion No. 1
Christians put issue ahead of personal debt, content of movies, TV, homosexual agenda
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:52 pm
I’d like to k now whether the little tikes are Uh-Mehr-Uh-Kun made or if they came from that Chi-nuh place?
January 24th, 2008 at 6:00 pm